assassination

[rocky pecan]

not as sin

[thorny rain]

Oh

ppl using that?

[icy iron]

[thorny rain]

weird lol

[shrewd night]

He did it because I made the wild claim that 2 eons is usually better, my bad.

[rocky pecan]

on sub y

[shrewd night]

The whole stat weight sim shit is still yikes, but not as dumb as me not doublechecking channel names

[rocky pecan]

on sin OH eon is like a win even at 246 vs 252

[burnt star]

i think u misunderstand what info i was trying to get

the point was calulcating roughly (estimate) of how much dps does subs stat gives

does raidbot report include that?

[frail fossil]

[burnt star]

u cant really. otherwise

[cobalt pelican]

just.. sim the items in 2 different sets..

that's what everyone is saying

[burnt star]

maybe my english isnt right

[vital tapir]

why would you need that if you get total dps gained / lost

wtf.

[burnt star]

that will only tell u wich of the 2 is better

[vital tapir]

yes.

[halcyon tapir]

Is using 1 battle pot with lust better than using 2 unlusted? (Im assuming with lust is better as id align cds as well)

[burnt star]

and how much dps it gives

[vital tapir]

that is the only thing that's relevant

[burnt star]

thats not the info im trying to get

[vital tapir]

lmao

this guy.

[burnt star]

we arent taling about relevant or not

[vital tapir]

I can't.

[rocky pecan]

you uwant to know the value of second stats

[burnt star]

dude..

when u have edge of night equip. u can see exacly the damage the proc did

[icy iron]

[shrewd night]

If there is some claim that top gear doesnt include weapon secondary stats, then Ima get up and leave

[burnt star]

how else can u know what damage u got by having a dagger with substat

[shrewd night]

Aight

[cobalt pelican]

you do understand if you sim a 252/246eon vs a 252/252, the difference between the sims is literally the difference

[shrewd night]

See ya, was fun

[cobalt pelican]

how is this hard to follow

[rocky pecan]

kek

[cobalt pelican]

if you want it even closer just use a 246 stat offhand

[rocky pecan]

yup

sim 246 OH with stat vs eon 246 as OH and gj

you got your answer idk what you will do when you will know that but well xd

[shrewd night]

I mean, you do you. Top gear and the apl has both weapon stats and procs included in them. So instead of running 3 sims and using headmath, you can just.. Yaknow.. Run 1.

[vital tapir]

too easy to be true bruh

[shrewd night]

[vital tapir]

[winter gale]

Do we use Eternal Stats or Eternal Skirmish these days?

[vital tapir]

[hollow river]

I don’t think so. Usually you’d align things so long as you don’t lose a cast. Unless you’re an aoe padder which rogues are not the best at.

I know some classes hold pot and CDs for add sets to boost overall for parsing but idk about rogue holding pot I could be wrong

[halcyon tapir]

On m nerzhul prog, we lusting at 30% approx 4m 30s in. Torn if i should pot on opener and 5 mins in. Im holdimg 3rd vendetta for lust so 2nd pot would have no vend

[hollow river]

Check some logs of fight times that are close to yours.

[halcyon tapir]

Ah good idea! Thanks for the reply =D

[hollow river]

No guarantee everyone in the logs is doing things correctly either, but you can check for the people with highest dps at your fight times.

[cobalt pelican]

if you're progressing i'd definitely just use the lust pot

the fight gets progressively harder, dps later on is worth more than pull dps

unless you're struggling with s omething

it's likely not more overall to do use 1 lusted, just weighted better for progress

[hollow river]

Very true

Also when progressing dps gets held for shatters before dispels sometimes so early dps less important

[gusty mirage]

yea I held pot for lust on prog

now I just pot pull cuz

[spice spire]

Well you can double pot if they’re at 30% on 4:30

[gusty mirage]

we kill remnant in sub 5 min

[spice spire]

Whoa we got a badass here

[daring kraken]

Are gem sets enabled in advanced by default?

[spice spire]

[rocky pecan]

On prog ?

[spice spire]

Yes

You can disable them

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

beat the DK that gets fed PI by 650 dps put some respec on my name

[halcyon tapir]

Yea that makes a lot of sense, appreciate the advice guys, best pull tonight was 1.5% =/ 6mins

[spice spire]

I did the same in heroic shitter land

[gusty mirage]

you'll get it, people just need to get more comfortable during that third shatter

[rocky pecan]

You missed the bump from the chest at end?

[gusty mirage]

people just start freaking out and the pull goes to shit

[halcyon tapir]

Cheers mate, yea lots of people dying p3

[gusty mirage]

lot of damage going out + peeps trying to dodge swirlies

just a recipe for disaster if you're still progging through it ya know?

[shrewd night]

Just cloak first and third shatter ez

[gusty mirage]

that's what I do

[rocky pecan]

Same

[gusty mirage]

blue swirlies aint shit when you're cloaked

[rocky pecan]

Now I thin I even cos when dance under 30%

Just using feint on shatter is enough for survive with frost set

[gusty mirage]

I just cloak to greed more damage

[rocky pecan]

Y in dance ahaha

With all that blue shit

[halcyon tapir]

Kill for sure next week!

[rocky pecan]

Ofc you will!

[gusty mirage]

yall got this homie

what a pumper

[halcyon tapir]

Lost that parse at 1.5%

[rocky pecan]

Demn

[gusty mirage]

you'll get it again

dw

and if you don't

[rocky pecan]

I hope with same parse for ya

[gusty mirage]

just alt-f4 and tell them your game crashed

[rocky pecan]

Ahaha

[gusty mirage]

so they have to redo the pull

[rocky pecan]

Ici strategy revealed

Oxi*

[gusty mirage]

[rocky pecan]

And after you can blame mate for doing less on boss damage

[halcyon tapir]

Haha, ill alt.f4 any pull i get malevolence. Good tips =D

[rocky pecan]

Kek

[spice spire]

Good good

[gusty mirage]

They won't give me PI no matter how much I ask for it 😦

I just wanna be a degen gamer

[rocky pecan]

Same

They want pi boomi pfff

[spice spire]

Externals are for the weak kings

Real gamers get the job done

[gusty mirage]

it'd turn my 92s to 99s real quick

just sayin

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

esp on guardian where you play BS/DS

and it feels awful

[rocky pecan]

We log in private from raznal :(

Cauz ppl greed to much

[gusty mirage]

parse check?

[drowsy parcel]

cloak first knockback in p3

so you can have step from the extra knock

[rocky pecan]

or just play for get knock into the chest knock

[drowsy parcel]

and lose uptime

[rocky pecan]

where ?

[drowsy parcel]

the time you spend airborn

[north basin]

why people rolling eyes on stat weight sims...i dunno) if i see crit lets say sims for 3.5 dps per crit and haste at 3 and mastery /vers at 2 i know what my next upgrade would be something crit+haste item. no? kinda usefull

[rocky pecan]

😒

[spice spire]

Shit

[gusty mirage]

cuz droptimizer does the same thing

and tells you exactly what bosses/dungeons to target

[north basin]

i know every loot ingame right now. i mean crit haste pieces )

so i kinda didnt feel need in droptimizer

[spice spire]

Because there are three other sims that achieve what that does, but better.

Droptomizer
Gear compare
Top gear

All can help you decide what gear is better without napkin math that will inevitably change once you change gear.

[nocturne geode]

any of yall messed around w the bolstering anima power in m+ i actually think its kinda lit to play around lol

[lavish lichen]

Certainly

On explosives + spiteful

You basically always take it

[nocturne geode]

used it in sang earlier and carried a 5 stack and vessle buff into stuff lol

[spice spire]

Bolstering is decent on explosives or spiteful. Or if you’re doing some gonzo pulls

Only time I’m not keen on it is like spires this week - by the time you get there almost all trash has been done and it feels like champions brand is the play

But I haven’t tested further

[nocturne geode]

also made a c/a for those big brain refreshes

[spice spire]

[north basin]

wait bolstering stacks from explosives?XD

[nocturne geode]

yes

and spiteful

[spice spire]

Yes

[north basin]

damn gona try iit

[nocturne geode]

make a cancel aura

bc sometimes youll want it

[lavish lichen]

The good think about explosives

Well I guess spiteful too

Is that YOU don’t have to kill them

[nocturne geode]

or bosses w adds

ect

[lavish lichen]

anyone can kill them and the people with the power get the buff

[nocturne geode]

if my math is right i think 2-3 stacks is worth more than cb

[lavish lichen]

I mean basically any big pull

You instantly get 4 explosives

[nocturne geode]

yea you just want the cancel aura macro bc the buff doesnt refresh

so sometimes youll want to cancel the aura before refreshing to reset duration

[lavish lichen]

Mehh

If you are pulling smaller maybe worth

If you insta get stacks no point in dropping it

[nocturne geode]

yea or maybe near the end of a pull so you can carry over into new pack if its quick pull

[lavish lichen]

Oh yes that’s fair

Def nice to go in with buff already

[nocturne geode]

yessir

that way you can manage the waste of it

takes me back to 5 buff outlaw

kekw

[manic pebble]

I still can't figure out how to use BS properly

Do you use it on proc or wait when your energy is too low to use mutt?

[balmy condor]

When you get a proc you use it ASAP in place of the next mutilate you wouldve cast

[manic pebble]

oh

that's the way

[icy iron]

Yeah ofc, Cus if u mutilate again, Then u might get another BS proc, effectively wasting the 1st proc ugot

[cerulean nest]

crazy that I can get two possible items that are upgrades in vault for m+, once I get 252 phial there's literally no point to run dungeons lol

[manic pebble]

maybe you'll get an extra upgrade on the items you already have

[balmy condor]

What

[terse talon]

will the new mfd build be using BS?

[balmy condor]

No

It’s a better version of ep vig

Still worse than bs ds

[cerulean nest]

huh?

lol

oh you mean like avoidance

[manic pebble]

yes

those upgrades

[balmy condor]

Avoidance farming

[cerulean nest]

yeahhhhhhh that aint it chief

[manic pebble]

xD

[terse talon]

and indestructible xD

[balmy condor]

Indestructible, the worthless one

[icy iron]

^

[cerulean nest]

i'll leave that to the guys with longer neckbeards than mine

[balmy condor]

Imagine getting a 252 with a tertiary stat

And then realizing it’s indestructible

That’s the pain

[cerulean nest]

imagine letting tertiary stats occupy any portion of your waking brain

[subtle tundra]

leech is something you actively consider for healers 🙂

[cerulean nest]

you take leech if you see it but i don't lose sleep over it lol

[balmy condor]

Yeah leech on healers is nuts

[shrewd night]

just have a healer build a speed set so they can mass ress faster if your warlocks are asshats

[balmy condor]

One of our hpals took a 226 with leech over a 252 or something

[cerulean nest]

what

[balmy condor]

It’s that strong

[soft shale]

leech on disc/hpal is crazy

[tired depot]

The hpally in my guild has 12% leech now I think

[soft shale]

it double dips

because it works on dmg and healing

[tired depot]

Holy shit

[soft shale]

i cant play with that on raid sadly

but i still have 11%

[cerulean nest]

jeesus

[gusty mirage]

[kindred rapids]

Leech is pretty good for DPS too

But no one cares about our healing numbers

[balmy condor]

We also don’t need the survival

Especially not this patch with frost

[kindred rapids]

Still can help if your healers are struggling

I run leeching poison on remnant

Because there's nothing that can kill you in that fight for the most part

Plus it's a DPS upgrade when you're running ocular gland!

[ebon notch]

yeah hacha is a leech fiend

i still outheal him with frost set tho

[cerulean nest]

how does leech affect dps?

[ebon notch]

it doesnt

[kindred rapids]

More leech means you're more worthy obviously

[ebon notch]

its good for healers

[cerulean nest]

i meant this

[ebon notch]

^^

[kindred rapids]

It leech's off of both

[ebon notch]

hes talking about healers

it double dips for them

[cerulean nest]

yeah I know, thats what im asking about lol

[ebon notch]

because they get healing based off of leech for their healing done and damage done

and both those healers do damage to heal

so they double dip

[cerulean nest]

but that doesnt mean it increases their dps does it? just that their dps more heavily impacts their healing

[balmy condor]

Ocular is already 98% uptime without it though

[kindred rapids]

Yeah

[ebon notch]

bro what

[kindred rapids]

I just hate being unworthy

[ebon notch]

he said it works on damage and healing

that means leech procs off of damage

not that it improves damage

[cerulean nest]

i got it now nvm nvm lol

[terse talon]

Just pay one of your healers 5g/hour to top u up 🙂

[real solar]

that aint 99

[spice spire]

99 confirmed not 98

[slow marsh]

Why not 100

[rocky pecan]

In oribos I have 100% ez

[grand ridge]

Even for healers that don't dps leech is a crazy good stat

Honestly if you get rid of cheat death elusiveness might be a better pick over leeching

Depends on the fight I guess

[rocky pecan]

Elusive Ness for raid?

[grand ridge]

I feel like cheat death is too op to consider the other options in the first place

[rocky pecan]

Eluve is just useless as hell on raid actualky

Reduce non area dmg

[grand ridge]

I guess it depends on what mechanic you are dealing with

I miss what it used to be

[rocky pecan]

Y if your tank can't tank and you are the tank for reduce AA on you kek

[grand ridge]

I just remember when feint used to do like 90% aoe damage reduction or something

you right though... that talent is bad

I misread what it did

I think it worked differently before?

[rocky pecan]

Idk

[grand ridge]

wow guess I misremembered a talent that was changed like 5 years ago smh

[nocturne geode]

like my leech set

[shrewd helm]

Anyone have any simple UI suggestions? My raid team teases me because I use the basic UI and not elvui ect

[nocturne geode]

elvui takes some getting used to and not to mention a lot of setup imo when your new to it but after learning it ill never go back

[grand ridge]

If you perform well with default then keep using it

Let them have their power ranger ui

[nocturne geode]

lol

also true

[quaint carbon]

show him JPC interface

[grand ridge]

I even heal with default ui it's fine

[shrewd helm]

I just like simple. Never been a huge fan of having to update elvui

[grand ridge]

Something else for me is key bindings. My mmo mouse will work with a fresh install of wow as long as my mouse is set to press f1-12

No need to f with bartender for two hours

[hollow river]

Why a fresh install?

[grand ridge]

Whatever reason might cause it

Most recently for me I installed Windows 11

[hollow river]

Hmm

[grand ridge]

So I just nuked my PC and started over

[hollow river]

You tried setting hot keys?

Ouch

[grand ridge]

?

[red jolt]

Do you use Crimson tempest on bosses in M+?

[hollow river]

Or is that what the “f1-12” are

[hollow river]

Ye if using zoldycks

[grand ridge]

No I'm saying with wow installed on my new windows 11 PC, first time opening wow my keybinds work

[red jolt]

I am not

[grand ridge]

That's what I like about default ui

[hollow river]

Ooh

[hollow river]

Gotcha gotcha

[hollow river]

Literally anything besides Dashing

[grand ridge]

And I use f1-12 because shift modifiers won't work with numpad

[hollow river]

You can press CT in ST for slightly more dps

[hollow river]

I see. You two hand the key board? Or left handed?

[red jolt]

Thanks

[grand ridge]

My mmo mouse is using those buttons

I use my mouse and keyboard normally

Don't ct during shiv windows

[hollow river]

^what he said

[red jolt]

Makes sense!

[hollow river]

Are you running obedience?

[red jolt]

Yeah!

[stray mural]

Yes, the rule of thumb is you maintain all three bleeds unless you are actively pooling for a shiv window or are in one already.

One application CT does more work than a single Envenom iirc

[spice spire]

This is true as long as you’re not running dashing as well.

[stray mural]

Do people run CT in raid? I don’t mythic raid so I’m not sure

[spice spire]

They do for certain fights

KT is apparently pretty popular

[slow marsh]

Soulrender

Fatescribe if you are killing adds

[red jolt]

Thanks for the explanations guys ❤️

[stray mural]

I want to run mythic but I have no idea where to look

[spice spire]

Like are you LFG?

[hollow river]

Look for a guild you mean?

Wowprogress

[stray mural]

Yeah. My current guild got curve and stopped like usual

Nobody wants to commit to mythic

[spice spire]

Are you NA?

[stray mural]

I am NA, I’m on Thrall

[spice spire]

If so I’ll dm you a link to the recruitment discord

[hollow river]

Cross realm opens soon too

[spice spire]

Wow progress + discord + forums help

[stray mural]

Oh yeah I forgot about that.

[hollow river]

Can pug the first 3 ez pz

[brazen zodiac]

The wow discord is rly good

I posted my shit and got like 30 dms in a day

[hollow river]

There’s a wow discord?

[brazen zodiac]

Yeah for lfg

And everything in that area

[stray mural]

Should I level my frost gems before I even consider it?

[hollow river]

Can you dm me an inv

[brazen zodiac]

No

Jk sure

[hollow river]

D:

[stray mural]

I full sent unholy

[brazen zodiac]

Dm me im lazy ill send u it

[hollow river]

Oops wrong person

[brazen zodiac]

U full sent trolling brotha

[stray mural]

Yeah I could be doing like 1k more

My Cor is rank 5 but the other two gems are rank 2

[hollow river]

O.o

[stray mural]

I’m sure if I clear heroic tonight I could change that

[spice spire]

Misplay 😦

But also I sent you the link Jared, hope it helps. Best of luck in looking for a guild

[stray mural]

I just went in on the first bonus I got. I was still top for weeks until the enh shaman got his bonus

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m in unholy prison rn too

Still topping most but it’s getting sketch

R4 soon tho

[stray mural]

I’m currently Necro DB/Unholy so I’m just actually insanely trolling

[harsh lantern]

gl Jared I’ve been looking for mythic on thrall as well

found a guild last week

Prog painsmith now

[stray mural]

Thanks, I’ll probably need it

[harsh lantern]

yeah fr

Thrall not looking hot for prog

Go area52 or illidan is my next move I think

[stray mural]

Which is wild because isn’t it the second or first biggest PvE best to A52

[spice spire]

That’s the true gamer set up

Hard mode

[stray mural]

I do M+ more than raid but I’m tired of opening up 252 downgrades

[spice spire]

We’re the same person here

I got my first big upgrade last week. A nice daggie

Every other open has been pain

[stray mural]

I have all heroic dom slots and the rest is valor/vault gear

SAME

[harsh lantern]

I got my spider ring finally

[spice spire]

Ring?

[stray mural]

Arachnid Cipher Ring?

[harsh lantern]

No more m+ besides vault

yeah

[stray mural]

Fucking sick

[spice spire]

Let’s fucking go

Wait

Gotta go back

For the socket

On god

[stray mural]

I highrolled a cipher with a socket

[harsh lantern]

Cringe

[stray mural]

I also slammed Korthia

[harsh lantern]

u right tho

I don’t go to that place

[spice spire]

It’s korthia or PF hell

[harsh lantern]

T4 rn

[bleak sun]

T0

[harsh lantern]

pog

tru gamer

[spice spire]

Based gamer

[bleak sun]

251 ilvl 0raid piece

[stray mural]

I got in PF hell and got my Phial in sub 5 keys

Season 1 it was close to 30 keys

[harsh lantern]

Mine was 7 for phial

Like 30 for ring

[hollow river]

Jesus

The ring is the easy one

[bleak sun]

Sad to play only 2h/day

[spice spire]

17 for shiv, 26 for ring, 31 for phial, 44 for pox

[harsh lantern]

pox exists?

Haven’t seen it in two tiers XD

[spice spire]

My dh? Loots it then vaults it same week

[stray mural]

I got Pox but gave up the Outlaw life

My brain is too small for the APM

[spice spire]

Outlaw gonna be for spiteful week

[harsh lantern]

I left lootspec sub when I was playigg by outlaw

Got 252 dag in vault

[spice spire]

Acrobatic strikes on jah

[harsh lantern]

Just went full sin

[stray mural]

That’s what happened to me but double 226 axes in S1

[harsh lantern]

feelsbad

[slim pebble]

Just loot a 252 shiv out of the box

[spice spire]

Already done chief

Next caller

[slim pebble]

I did that three weeks ago and then the following two weeks I got 252 IQDs back to back. I think I sold my soul

[stray mural]

I need a second one

I got a domina’s

[harsh lantern]

I got all dags except for syLv

[brazen zodiac]

Same lmfao ^

[unborn eagle]

Week 1 vault was 252 Phial...weapons still 246 and never seen sylvanas dagger

[limber lion]

the mfd overlord has spoken

[oak sky]

mfd gang

i get to try it in raid tonight

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

Same, currently on KT

Improved every single one of my parses thus far

[oak sky]

super cool

for me its just gonna be fatescribe reclear tonight then some kt prog

i might miss our reclear tomorrow though :c

[full tide]

Do remnant orbs give MfD resets, I don't think they do right? Didn't give sbs

[oak sky]

nah

[soft shale]

some things got fixed

but remnant orbs are q weird thing

[slow marsh]

remnant orbs never die, they get yeeted off platform into the maw

[gusty mirage]

They don’t actually die

You’ll see damage ticking on them even when they ded

[wintry mica]

maybe one day we can get get MFD resets and the energy boost when they die

[soft shale]

yea the platform below remnant is a trash heap of orbs

one day they will stack to infinity

[upbeat needle]

y'all simming 5min or 6min?

cause these fights be uh

[maiden tapir]

How is the rotation in like 5 6 pack? anyone have any good tips

[upbeat needle]

long as hell

[subtle tundra]

]

[wintry mica]

5 minute patchwerk sims a range of times btw

it actually sims 4 to 6 minutes

[full tide]

Cheers bro

[upbeat needle]

empowered garrote x3, another garrote, keep up CT but don't spam, and rupture shit essentially. it's really just bleed management can weave in envenoms here and there but don't let bleeds drop esp if playing zoldyk

[upbeat needle]

oh shit really?

[wintry mica]

yep, 20% variation iirc so 5 minutes works out to 4 min to 6 min, you can check it out if you open the full report after a sim

[upbeat needle]

multi spec users browsers be like

[strange python]

How2 parse on KT when you're holding for venth ramps, on far tank add, and on down phase?

Sadge

[upbeat needle]

on Mythic or Heroic?

[strange python]

Mythic

[upbeat needle]

is it a reclear or prog

[strange python]

Very old reclear, raids been on farm for 4 weeks

But I am on "cc the far tank add" duty so I can't CT the small adds, and I'm on down phase. Also we hold for Boomie CDs each phase

Kt and sylv only non oranges big rip

[upbeat needle]

Ngl KT is pretty fucking aids to parse because you hold for that long

[upbeat needle]

actually I have an idea

let's ask the god himself

@limber lion

[limber lion]

There's not much you can do to parse on KT especially if you're going in the phylactery.

You can get a decent parse if you're outside, but inside is always awful.

[wide ridge]

do you guys use any enemy nameplate addon to manage bleeds better?

i had one some time ago but I forgot which one it was

[slow marsh]

i know someone who has a pretty good plater profile

[limber lion]

Yes, plater.

[wide ridge]

do I need any special config or just install and bam

[oak sky]

plater

you can copy someone else's profile on plater or make your own

but the default is somewhat ok

[lavish lichen]

There is this rogue that is pretty good and is a classical musician that has a plater profile you can use

[wide ridge]

i imagine that'd be cev

[oak sky]

yup

his is pretty good

i use a couple things from it

[wide ridge]

how do I import someone's else profile in plater?

do i need them to give me the string or something

[strange python]

What if I'm also stuck on far add so I can't burn down the little dudes with CT :(

[oak sky]

@wide ridge i think you go on wago and then import their string

https://wago.io/gf0Dg_Ujr

[wide ridge]

love u big time

[oak sky]

[stray mural]

Applying to mythic guilds and I currently don’t feel like I should be. I just saw my average heroic logs and I’m not impressed with myself.

[spice spire]

Shooters take the shot king

[oak sky]

what does average mean to you?

but definitely take the shot either way

[strange python]

What color is your average heroic log

[arctic walrus]

Hope u had fun with it

[stray mural]

I’m assuming I should be all purple/orange but my sylvanas sucks

[oak sky]

keep in mind that a lot of things determine your parses and you might be plenty good enough for mythic anyway

[stray mural]

Purple

[oak sky]

ur fine man

average is 50%

[grand ridge]

That's fine bruh

[oak sky]

lol

[strange python]

Sylvanas has a lot of factors that can be tough to parse.

[dawn ivy]

another awesome hypothetical for mfd, if we are already holding vendetta and waiting for flag, do we hold shiv? im finding myself holding vendetta for 15ish seconds and shiv coming off cd while waiting for flag/mfd.

[strange python]

If you're purple average in heroic you would be desirably by almost any 3/10 mythic guild

If not a little more

[oak sky]

yup

[spice spire]

Yeah. Like you’re golden

[oak sky]

gear, kill times, experience

all that will make you parse better

as long as you have a good baseline its cool

[stray mural]

And like I don’t have frost gems

LMAO

[spice spire]

There’s many mythic players that should not be raiding mythic. Being better than average is definitely worth being in a mythic progging guild

[gusty mirage]

stop calling me out like this wtf

[strange python]

Fatescribe and KT gave a lot that can be out of your control, you're arguably close to a heroic orange average in what I assume isn't a very good guild (if it's not a mythic guild), you should be fine for a 3-5/10 mythic guild

[limber lion]

Pretty much improved all of my parses with it. Pretty dank

[oak sky]

yeah.

[dawn ivy]

@arctic walrus it seems you did hold shiv in most of your logs, do you think thats the appropriate play?

[spice spire]

Shut your whore mouth

Ethical 93er on prog

[gusty mirage]

who

[stray mural]

They’re friends 🙃

[strange python]

Wait what's this mfd shit. So are we now running Obe, holding mfd for obe?

[stray mural]

I need to rip the bandaid sooner rather than later

[strange python]

That's all well and good and you can stay in touch or stay there, but if you wanna do mythic your logs are good enough for early mythic guilds

[stray mural]

I don’t want to be a dick about it though. Our guild just doesn’t do Mythic.

[spice spire]

Finna log check you on jah

[oak sky]

you can still play with them once you leave, but if you have different goals than them you should go for it

[grand ridge]

People raid for different reasons

[strange python]

Losing vigor just sounds like it would feel bad.

[gusty mirage]

do it yo uwon't

gl finding my alt code

[oak sky]

it feels kinda bad but big flag mcstacks feel great

[stray mural]

I want to feel progress again. I live for the PvE scene and I haven’t done Mythic prog since Antorus.

[spice spire]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/oxì#boss=2436

[oak sky]

theres a few fun prog fights in this raid

for sure

[spice spire]

92 mb

Also two seconds

[strange python]

For some reason this is giving me strong blindside/DS vibes. I'll wait to see how it all plays out

[oak sky]

wdym

[gusty mirage]

fuck

[stray mural]

I just pug keys because the best players in my guild are on a RIO team. Everyone currently capable of doing high keys will not play with others it’s insane.

[oak sky]

bs/ds is good

[strange python]

Worse than EP vig in reality on most fights

[oak sky]

oh sure

[stray mural]

(Not to complain, I’ve gotten to 2300~ just pugging)

[oak sky]

but its better in pure st

[strange python]

Hmmmmm

[oak sky]

mfd is just better than vigor though when played correctly

obedience is more situational

[strange python]

I'd have to go farm another 3 weeks of torghast :(

[grand ridge]

If your guild isn't the best at progression that could be a big reason as to why your parses are not where you are expecting them

Slower kill and more healers means lower parses

[limber lion]

[grand ridge]

Join one of those sargeras pugs where the raid leader is a douchebag and you will probably override those parses

[dawn ivy]

sorry, in reference to my previous question

[stray mural]

Bruh

I was gonna pug H tonight because I just haven’t cared all week

No drive

[dawn ivy]

holding shiv for ~15 seconds to get it into your Ven/Flag/Vanish/MfD

[arctic walrus]

Are you talking about the shiv around 2 minutes

[dawn ivy]

yeah

sorry didnt connect the two prompts

[arctic walrus]

I tried both holding and not holding

If I had to come to a conclusion, I think you wouldn’t hold

[obtuse robin]

[arctic walrus]

So it depends on how much cdr you had on your previous flag

But I’m thinking that you can send cds first, and then shiv/vanish later

While still being inside

Or you just wait for it all

[dawn ivy]

waiting for it all FELT kinda nice, kinda like it fully reset all the cds again

[arctic walrus]

And have a repeat oepener every 2:25ish

[dawn ivy]

but i know shiv is rarely ever held so that fucks with things

[arctic walrus]

Yea basically

If you think about it

[strange python]

So if you are in flag window would you dump mfd>env onto an add that's gonna die for the reset and more flag stacks? Like on soulrender? Or not worth?

[arctic walrus]

You’re more likely to lose a cast of a 25s cd than a 2 minute

So always sim to fit in as many as you can of the smaller cds, because you’ll naturally fit in the bigger cds

[strange python]

The thought of farming four more weeks of torg for this shit does not sound appealing

Esp with a vers/crit obe in bags for sub already

[arctic walrus]

Yes mfd sniping especially within flag is good

[dawn ivy]

vers crit obe is perfectly fine

[strange python]

But it could be better!

[dawn ivy]

it doesnt make or break the build haha

[strange python]

And if I can be better, I will be farming it

[arctic walrus]

REDACTED do you ever sit on farm

[dawn ivy]

have two rogues hopping in to trial, so yeah in the next few weeks I'll be sitting

[wide ridge]

what if mfd was baseline

[stray mural]

What would replace it

[wide ridge]

a good talent, like hidden blades for example

[grand ridge]

bring back cold blood

not as a talent

I just want it

[wide ridge]

i want old venom rush

current venom rush is hot garbo

i don 't think we'll ever replace alacrity

[grand ridge]

yeah I agree that talent row is always going to be alacrity

it kinda sucks

[wide ridge]

yep

[strange python]

I need some mfd doubters in the chat so I can feel good about not doing torg

[wide ridge]

you dont need obe for mfd right

it's better but not necessary, right

[oak sky]

yep

and on some fights it may potentially be worse

[strange python]

It's so minor over vigor for dashing that it's hard to justify. I also have TERRIBLE haste so I'm guessing the energy regen will win out in my gear for the time being

[wide ridge]

whats your haste %

i'm at 16%

[oak sky]

90 dps in the test sim

doesnt seem that minor to me

[strange python]

13%

[wide ridge]

ouch

[strange python]

Yeah but test sim isn't personal. Gear can change things

[oak sky]

true

but its a very significant number

[strange python]

Although I wonder if dropping dashing would make haste gems and enchs better than crit

Curious if blood or unholy get more competitive then too?

I assume unholy is propped up by DD for sub, so maybe not

[oak sky]

frost is still better, and stat values can change with different leggos

[frosty bridge]

Is the mfd sim change live?

[oak sky]

soon

[frosty bridge]

pog

[green saffron]

Hi, I'd like to try to play as Assassin for our prog. Is there any big different between lego 235 Dashing and 262 Obedience?

[spice spire]

90 is sub 1% for most people. I wouldn’t label that major. But it’s not within margin. Overall; if you can play it correctly, yes you should absolutely run it. If not, time to practice 😛

[oak sky]

90 is more than most gear would give you though 🤷‍♂️

[strange python]

Mfd has seeming potential to add extra value in real world with resets, too.

[grand ridge]

maybe for itemization sidegrades

[spice spire]

That’s a sim question, as different people have different gear situations. Best to always sim top gear and add legendaries to be safe (if you don’t have x legendary yet)

[strange python]

Crit haste obe with gem and ench optimization is a full 50 DPS over vers crit, makes this new science somewhat irrelevant till the torgs are farmed :(

[alpine latch]

Okay, I'm trying to figure out where my guild is going wrong on Sylvanas. Is it cool if I post in here even though it isn't specifically a Sin thing?

We had like 7 people drop dead from Banshee's Fury and I have no idea why

[brazen zodiac]

mythic or heroic

probs mythic im assuming

[alpine latch]

Heroic. We're no where near a Mythic guild.

[oak sky]

did you have someone with a pool debuff?

[dawn ivy]

head to wow-general probably

[alpine latch]

That's what I'm thinking, but I don't see it

[dawn ivy]

but im sure you can get help

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'll drop it in there.

[brazen zodiac]

someone probably had a stack of bane when the cast went off

[harsh lantern]

usually dead in fury has pool de buff

[dawn ivy]

yeah thats 99% of the case

[brazen zodiac]

gotta make sure everyone's cleared of the debuff before that happens

[harsh lantern]

someone

[oak sky]

it was probably someone had the debuff then the people that died were low hp

[alpine latch]

That's what I'm thinking but I'm not seeing it in there. That's Banshee's Mark, right?

[strange python]

If only 7 people died it could be bad healing

Pool into fury is usually a much bigger wipe

[harsh lantern]

Ye

in my experience usually group dead

[alpine latch]

I think we're using too many CDs on the final platform and not saving any for Banshee's Fury.

[harsh lantern]

If someone has it

[strange python]

Healing CDs should always be for fury

The rest of the healing is not as bad

[alpine latch]

3rd add platform can be a biatch

[strange python]

Except platform 4 arrows, but I think even that's not as bad

[odd heath]

Each stack of the debuff, if not dispelled on the banshee's fury thing, adds 20k dmg dealt to everyone

[oak sky]

p4 arrows you just have them run far and its all good

[harsh lantern]

adds always get deleted in my pugs

Never even get to spread dmg

[wide ridge]

banshee's bane is the name of the debuff

[odd heath]

Dunno if 20k on hc, but something like that

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it's pretty gnarly

It definitely looks like a healer CD issue though

Not an insta-gib

[oak sky]

most likely thing is a combo of banshees bane and not enough healing

you can usually live one stack

[alpine latch]

Yeah, i just pinged the RL and asked if we can make sure we have a CD for every single Fury

I think we're using way too many in P2 3rd platform

[oak sky]

a lot of them probably come back up by fury

[harsh lantern]

I have a bind to yell dispell if I accidentally grab one

Just make sure only the guy who is supposed to grab them does

[brazen zodiac]

i just dispel myself

lmfao

[harsh lantern]

tru

[oak sky]

if you guys have a priest you could have them mass dispel right as fury is ending if people have stacks

[brazen zodiac]

actually i kinda cheese it

[odd heath]

@alpine latch I'm checking the logs here. Your pala tank and veng dh had together 6 stacks of bane during the cast of banshee's fury

[brazen zodiac]

i pick up all stacks then jump off, then rocket hjump back on after cloakng

[harsh lantern]

what a mad man

[brazen zodiac]

makes the puddles like practically nonexistent lmfao

[harsh lantern]

pretty sick tbh

[brazen zodiac]

its troll as fuck if i fuck it up tho

LMFAO

[harsh lantern]

I bet lmao

[soft shale]

dont do that puddles still spawn in the platform

[brazen zodiac]

its not about them spawning

it just makes the already existing ones very far away

drop very far away*

[odd heath]

@alpine latch each stack adds 25k dmg to everyone

[alpine latch]

Ohh, it adds it to everyone?

[odd heath]

Yes

[alpine latch]

I thought it was only them

Well shit, that's it.

[odd heath]

Yes.. just ask the tanks to go to the edge of the platform and ask for a dispel

[harsh lantern]

pog now you got the free kill

[brazen zodiac]

congrats on ur aotc

[wide ridge]

mfd still not upgrade for me

[dawn ivy]

you definitely input the special APL right?

[north basin]

with mfd iam able to achieve 27-30 stacks now of flag XD rly some fresh air in gameplay

[wide ridge]

the what

[brazen zodiac]

lfmao

[dawn ivy]

sigh

[oak sky]

its not updated yet

[dawn ivy]

[oak sky]

so mfd isnt optimized

[spice spire]

Check pins king

[wide ridge]

i thought it wasnt implemented in nightly so i did weekly

[dawn ivy]

i understand why a person would think like that, but jesus i just laughed so hard

[ebon notch]

wouldnt it be updated in nightly first

and weekly after?

(if it were updated at all)

[vestal wren]

nightly is rebuild every night, weekly is updated every week on reset day

[ebon notch]

yeah thats what i thought

[kindred rapids]

use weekly if you don't want to wait until nighttime obviously

[vestal wren]

you can usually just use nightly, but if somehting seems very off might ask back what changed

[kindred rapids]

I assume weekly is promoted from nightly candidates not rebuilt from head

[vestal wren]

i am not sure how he does it exactly but i assume nightly and weekly will just be the same on reset day

so it could make sense to only build it once

[balmy condor]

it is indeed the same build on reset day

tuesday updates weekly and nightly

they update every night around 11-midnight pst

somewhere in there

[limber lion]

Yeh, but Seri can push an early update if a massive gain or something is found.

But you just gotta trust, mfd is pretty litty

[vestal wren]

he has a channel in the raidbots discord, so you can always check when the last rebuild happened

[slow marsh]

You are pretty litty

[wide ridge]

just press mfd on cd i guess?

[kindred rapids]

no

[uneven hamlet]

I pretend use mfd on our KT prog that prob will be next week

[kindred rapids]

flag bby

[uneven hamlet]

Even if my skill isn't enough to do the 2 envenom w ma at the beginning, reseting it on adds will be huge

[slow marsh]

Use MfD in ma window after flag and then use on CD unless flag is in 15

[halcyon zealot]

not much skill involved.. you just press mfd instead of your 2nd mut after vanish

vanish > mut > env > mfd > env

during shiv and flag, ideally

[slow marsh]

Woah you are so skilled

[halcyon zealot]

ty

[slow marsh]

I wanna be like you when I grow up

[hollow river]

Vanish>env>mfd>env is still fine too I assume

?

[slow marsh]

Yeah if you are a weirdo and shiv on 5cp in opener

[hollow river]

I don’t see how that’s weird

[slow marsh]

It's not

[hollow river]

Usually shiv on 3-4

Then do my vanish

[slow marsh]

Pretty much the same, you are using one or two globals extra to build for vanish env

[hollow river]

I like to weave in 1 off GCD per onGCD in opener kinda, where possible.

Ye

[placid pagoda]

Pissed that I made 249 dashing only to see the new pins 😂

[hollow river]

I’ve got 262

Guess Obe is next and Cele will have to wait again

Need to do some checking to see which fights Obe will be better on

[wide ridge]

9.1.5 when

for that leggo scrap thing

[hollow river]

And spammable Torghast for cinders at a higher rate too

[slow marsh]

Obe is gonna be better on everything with MfD I think but not by much so if you're using DS you're fine

[hollow heron]

i think November 15

NOVEMBER 9TH

[hollow river]

I mean it depends on kill time too, though most kill times probably lean towards Obe

[wide ridge]

how is energy regen w/o dashing tho

and also w/o vigor

sounds

[slow marsh]

Energy Regen is fine

[hollow river]

I mean you still have Alacrity and Obe for faster flag windows. Kinda hard to feel any difference anyway you just have a lower energy pool.

[slow marsh]

Yeah the timings will be interesting but I still think they favor obed heavily as long as you're getting 25-30 stacks

[hollow river]

I mean if you’re gonna get the same amount of casts off, it just depends

[slow marsh]

The energy diff isn't as big as people think on paper. But feelycraft exists unfortunately

[hollow river]

A fight like painsmith could be weird if you only get one flag per burn. Which I have no idea about I’m simply speaking of a random example.

[slow marsh]

Pain will be weird yeah

I know I can get 2 flags per phase but that varies with group dps

[hollow river]

If you can get 2 in the last burn it could be pretty good, idr the timings though at all

[limber lion]

Painsmith would be a good fight for Obedience honestly

[slow marsh]

Flag is coming up right when he's phasing for p1 for me

[hollow river]

😮

[slow marsh]

So I imagine obed would be Pog for extra cast

[stray mural]

Update: I got into two mythic trial runs

[limber lion]

More often than not you're sitting on your Flag during the entire intermission

[stray mural]

Your boy is a real Raider

[limber lion]

Grats!

[hollow river]

Same but he phases right before I finish my hasted window

[limber lion]

Make us proud

[hollow river]

So with Obe you’d get that whole extra cast off

[slow marsh]

Cev do I make you proud.

[stray mural]

Frost gems and Dashing first because I literally didn’t care

[slow marsh]

Yep

[hollow river]

So it’d actually be really good

Like I said idk fight timings by heart I was just thinking of an example

[limber lion]

Couldn't be more proud

[slow marsh]

[limber lion]

Yeh that's true, it can be iffy on some bosses fo sho

Haven't played with Obedience at all personally

[slow marsh]

Wouldn't it only be worse on shorter fights though?

[limber lion]

Other than Sub, but eh

[hollow river]

[hollow river]

Same

[limber lion]

It's not really about shorter or longer fights

[hollow river]

It’s about extra casts

[limber lion]

And more about whether or not you get an extra cast off

Yeh

[hollow river]

?

[slow marsh]

Yeah

[hollow river]

Ye

[slow marsh]

Like eye, obed wins

[limber lion]

Like 4mins30s is a perfect obedience fight length

you get 3x Vendetta and 4x Flag

[hollow river]

If you can pull off 30 stacks with Obe every time

[limber lion]

And you sync the first and last Vend/Flag automatically

[hollow river]

Gonna be

[slow marsh]

Remnant obed wins

A lot of fights I think you get one or two extra right

[limber lion]

I did a raid today with MfD and I got 29 stacks most times

[hollow river]

What’s CD on flag with 30 stacks Obe

~1min?

[limber lion]

Got 30 once on Soulrender pull

[limber lion]

ye

1min

[slow marsh]

It's 1 min

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

And yeah with MfD you should sit around 27-30

On average

If you are prepping for it correctly

[hollow river]

Interesting

[wide ridge]

damn 1min cd flag seems juicy

[hollow river]

Wonder if it gets a lil hectic tho with adds

Would you blow on CD for add resets I assume

[gloomy knoll]

Obedience sin

[slow marsh]

Even easier with adds

[peak bobcat]

is it worth to swap right now? @limber lion

[slow marsh]

More cp

[hollow river]

Yea I just meant outside flag too

[slow marsh]

Oh yeah for sure

[hollow river]

Since it resets CD anyway

[slow marsh]

Soulrender I MfD overlord

Shiv boss

Swap between MfD on add and envenom boss

[hollow river]

Do you run CT or nah

[slow marsh]

I did last week yeah

[hollow river]

I actually like CT on M render

[slow marsh]

Yeah same, he's getting dragged around so much pb is almost never hitting

[hollow river]

Did the same boss damage and got extra damage from adds

I only use it on ST for dance

[slow marsh]

Plus CT during dance is nice for downtime damage

[hollow river]

Since I use dashing

[slow marsh]

Yeeeeeeeee

[hollow river]

Ye

Feels pretty

[slow marsh]

I got a 97 kinda messing around on voice chat the whole time so yeah I'd say it's good

[hollow river]

On M?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[hollow river]

Well you said overlord so ye

That’s nutty

Most of my M parses are green :/ we’ve been running with no ww and I’m sure some of it is gear and a lot of it is my play

My heroic parses are decent though, higher and higher every time

[slow marsh]

That's good

As long as you're improving that's really all you can do

[hollow river]

Yep

[slow marsh]

Nobody is perfect but everybody can always learn

[limber lion]

Our enha had to jump off because he had a headache

pain.

[hollow river]

We have an enh but he’s not usually in for prog

He’s kinda in and out on pain atm

[limber lion]

Wanted to push for a new sylv p3 record

but I guess not

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

We are gearing a 2nd enh for when ours has to 5 heal

[hollow river]

Oof

The amount of people quitting and stuff

Is really getting to a lot of guilds

Have seen quite a few dissolve lately

[slow marsh]

I literally missed number 1 parse on server for h sylv by 1 dps

1 DPS!!

[hollow river]

I think my best parse yet is within top 200 on H guardian

I’m pretty happy with that though for now

[hollow river]

That is insane

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean it's just server but still. If I can't beat cev then beating everyone on proudmoore will have to suffice

[hollow river]

Hahaha

Idk man sometimes I think he’s really a robot so good luck

[oak sky]

i shouldve stuck on proudmoore to gun for the spot

[slow marsh]

Even if I did manage to get slightly better gear and play perfect He does so many boost runs it's impossible

[oak sky]

i hope you can get it tho

gl

maybe i should go pug h sylv for a chance at chest and ring

[limber lion]

@drowsy parcel i'm at 950.9 ASP currently, but I most likely won't be raiding next week. Hoping to see some mega parses from you next week.

[oak sky]

oh shit the all star boys coming out

[slow marsh]

For heroic?

[limber lion]

Nah, mythic

[slow marsh]

F

I'm being walled by guild prog

[limber lion]

I think I'm 954 on heroic or something

idk

[oak sky]

bro i gotta juice my all star points sometime

[limber lion]

Just get a good group with all raid buffs and you're gucci

none of that PI/kyrian druid shit though

[slow marsh]

Lmao

[oak sky]

you don't have to worry about that from me

[limber lion]

Demon Hunter, Monk, Warrior and Enha

That's the recipe for greatness.

All you need.

[oak sky]

i just cant bring myself to care about heroic

[slow marsh]

A druid is going kyrian for me even though I didn't ask him to

I'm not gonna say no.....

[oak sky]

i just dont want to do heroic when i have prog every week anyway

maybe in 9.1.5

[slow marsh]

Too bad he's not in prog tho where it would actually kind of matter

[limber lion]

That's why you sell boosts.

You get your weekly embers for the mythic prog

Some potential upgrades maybe

Improve your parses

and gold on top

[oak sky]

yeah but then i have to find a group to boost with

[limber lion]

Just apply to a community.

It's not difficult to get to boost.

[oak sky]

i need time too idk how much i have

[limber lion]

kyrian druids are absolutely bonkers

[oak sky]

classes start thursday

[limber lion]

PI is around 400-500 dps

Kyrian Druid

1200 dps

[slow marsh]

1300

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

Yeah

I still don't believe it can be true

Like I understand on paper

But my brain can't compute how that could exist and still nobody is doing it

[limber lion]

Because no one wants to play a kyrian druid

Wouldn't be surprised if someone sold their Kyrian Druid services on heroic

[slow marsh]

Like it gives a reason for resto to be considered for raid

[limber lion]

because they're so hard to come by

[oak sky]

i dunno cev maybe ill do boosts sometime

[slow marsh]

My guildie rogue is in a boost community. He says hes making tons of gold rn

[limber lion]

I don't think I've done any hc runs outside of the first few weeks with my guild

and boosts

a bunch of boosts

[slow marsh]

Boosting keys gets you paid way more though

[oak sky]

ive pretty much done pugs and prog with my old guild

[limber lion]

LUL

no it doesn't

keys are fucking awful

[oak sky]

they take longer

[limber lion]

One Plaguefall +15 is like 30k

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

big moneys

[rapid talon]

More worth to boost at the start of patches when you can get 80k+ for a 15

[limber lion]

you do one full clear of hc

600k

[slow marsh]

Oh that's cheap lmao

[limber lion]

that's 20 plaguefalls

[rapid talon]

Now they're going for like 28

[gusty mirage]

yea I just checked the cut for boosters on huokan

not great for keys lol

[limber lion]

raids are always somewhat profitable

but m+ is just miserable unless you're boosting like 20+s

[rapid talon]

Yeah raiding is usually better

[gusty mirage]

boosters split 55k for a 15

[slow marsh]

Well then I'll have to tell these ding dongs they are overcharging

[gusty mirage]