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harsh lantern
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bs/ds sim copium

meager mountain
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what?

tired vessel
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It's mainly because there's only two pure single target fights in the whole raid.

meager mountain
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Okay so youre saying only take bs ds for guardian/grue?

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but EP and Vigor are better for the rest

harsh lantern
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Ep vig kinda slaps on grue

iron orchid
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Most people feel better playing ep/vig because energy regen is more consistent and you tend to overcap less, which means you can do mechanics while losing less energy. Plus you don't just rely on the bs procs to save some energy

tired vessel
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Your choice on the prior. The math checks out on the latter.

iron orchid
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And as soon as there is more than one target involved in a fight, ep/vig gains value compared to bs/ds

tired vessel
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I only take bs + ds for flexing with sims ez

meager mountain
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thank you guys very much

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ill start using vigor/EP.

tired vessel
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Pump away, king!

stiff tapir
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I’d say yes

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You can put them up before he debuffs them

drowsy parcel
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are you actually r1 on mythic too?

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is my life a lie

stray mural
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Saw TW M+ was available for testing on PTR. Are the loot tables finalized yet

limber lion
drowsy parcel
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i am the champion of paralympics

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feelsgoodman

limber lion
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But it's private so whatevers

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I mean, it's around 949 points so you're not exactly far off

gusty mirage
shell ivy
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i've been skipping this on heroic by cloaking it but idk if it works on mythic since there are orbs spawning

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fatescribe

limber lion
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It's actually preferred that you cloak it

shell ivy
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confirmed on mythic too? poggers

limber lion
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So you get 1 less orb for the encounter.

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Yes.

shell ivy
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thats nice

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do u have any idea on what other immunities can do the same?

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like hunter or pala

limber lion
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No clue, I'm a rogue tryhard, I don't know anything else.

shell ivy
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XD alright

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just gonna mention it to my raid

lavish cedar
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Hunter probably wont because its not true immunity

shy dust
oak sky
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I was talking about how i was leveling a dh, then my raid leader got excited and i decided to leave it at 50 OMEGAKEKW

alpine latch
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I just leveled a druid

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Going to gear it then decide which character to leave with my current guild and which I want to pursue a Mythic prog run with.

stiff tapir
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You can put them up before he debuffs them

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Big brain strat.

real solar
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@limber lion i love u

limber lion
halcyon zealot
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jesus Cev you’re a damn celebrity

real solar
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waow cev hates me now

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SICK AND TIRED OF ME

alpine latch
woven ruin
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So, is there any chance of them allowing 2 leggos at once this exp.?

harsh lantern
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kill jailer wearing them all

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Pog

balmy condor
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I would assume with covenant legendaries they would have to loosen up quite a bit more if they’re going the 2 legendary route though

gusty mirage
strong shale
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hi

balmy condor
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Hello

strong shale
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can i ask guys all pro player i see him Doomblade on Gloves not on Cloak idk why i see more 100 in pvpleaderboard

real solar
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pvp? Because pvpers dont pve

balmy condor
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I would assume it’s either not updated or he doesn’t care/have dom sockets

vast forum
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pvpers don't give a shit about 5th dom socket

balmy condor
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Dunno tho I’m not a pvp feelcraft god

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You’ll never catch me with a fucking mace on subtlety

real solar
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I use dom sockets in pvp, but I haven’t bothered pushing to 2700+ yet this season, will soon though

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Ya that slow offhand thing made 0 sense to me

balmy condor
strong shale
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i wanna play it in pvp and pve i but it in Cloak or Gloves ?

real solar
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Cloak

strong shale
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ty man

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i just play rouge and lvl him to 60 i stop play dh and all i wanna foces in rogue its so fun

real solar
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Welcome 🙂

strong shale
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xd

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maby assassin its fun and sub but outlow no way i play it

scarlet spade
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For heroic sylv prog do you guys think it would be better to run the frost shard set over unholy..I usually play sub but sin seems to be better for the prog..the frost sims overall lower on ST for me but thinking for the 2nd phase frost would just perform better what do you guys think?

real solar
scarlet spade
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unholy is maxed frost is rank 2

real solar
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Play unholy until your frost is a higher rank

balmy condor
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^

scarlet spade
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that would be without dashing as well

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ok sweet thanks

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oh and is it worth running CT or should I just keep PB

real solar
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Heroic? PB

scarlet spade
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Ok thanks my dude

balmy condor
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No adds in heroic :(

dawn ivy
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has that MfD sim been done yet that vel was talking about recently

balmy condor
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Yeh

dawn ivy
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no real change?

balmy condor
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Take current mfd and add +0.5%

dawn ivy
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oh not bad.

tender ibex
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Question: if I have 4/5 combo points and garrote has a third of its duration left, is it better to envenom at 4/5 or eat the last third of the garotte for a 5 CP finisher?

dawn ivy
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if garrote only has a third of its duration left, its within pandemic so youd be able to throw the garrote and then envenom

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well wait

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if youre at 4, garrote

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if youre at 5, envenom

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dont waste any cp you can use

balmy condor
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It’s actually essentially neutral

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Damage per cp is equal

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So finishing on 4, then garrote

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Is the same thing as garrote and envenom on 5

real solar
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More important to just think of the fight and if you envenom here, will garrote fall off because of any downtime?

dawn ivy
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hmm

balmy condor
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Yeh usually just makes no difference

dawn ivy
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i get what youre sayin

balmy condor
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That’s assuming garrote is in pandemic in both situations

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If you would clip garrote before pandemic that’s troll as fuck

woven ruin
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Does phial over sim? Ive never got more than 3.9% out of a lvl239

real solar
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3.9% is good

balmy condor
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Yeh

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That’s real good

vast forum
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but it's negligible

balmy condor
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Oh no, the loss of 1 energy

vast forum
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it's not 1 energy 😄

woven ruin
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So hero damage saying 2x that is off?

balmy condor
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Fine

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Insert x energy that doesn’t matter

vast forum
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assuming you use 5 4cp finishers instead of 4 5cp finishers, you're wasting 25 energy 😮

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YUGE

real solar
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Your phial damage is normal and it isn’t oversimming

balmy condor
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HALF A MUTILATE

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GIGA

vast forum
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HALF

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A MUTILATE

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imagine what you can do with taht

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probably kill painsmith even

balmy condor
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You could…. Throw dagger

vast forum
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on that topic, i'm currently reprogressing him 😄

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i feel your pain mr whispyr

balmy condor
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It’s actually terrible

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Painsmith is an awful fight

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People who like that fight

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Deserve to be in a mental ward

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Actual straight jacket behavior

real solar
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whispyr stop dps

balmy condor
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If someone tells me they wish they could back to painsmith, the only logical assumption to make is they’re being held at gunpoint

halcyon zealot
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our prog point is like 35ish % and yet, after 125 pulls, i don’t think we ever make it through an intermission without someone dying

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every brez is used bc people can’t strafe

real solar
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Y do u even need to strafe

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just bait as a guild

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and move together

halcyon zealot
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LOOOL come and tell that to my group

real solar
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I GOTCHU

vast forum
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relying on 19 other ppl to dodge spikes

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doesn't work 🙂

balmy condor
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Mage tower sanctum of domination

vast forum
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first week outlaw mage tower

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was a legit mythic raid difficulty fight

amber fossil
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Hi all, old player and new to this discord looking for help why my dmg is in the toilet. I sim my gear, but not sure if the problem is rotation, dom shard choice, cov choice, all of the above or something different

balmy condor
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Typically would be rotation and low ilevel as the two main factors

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Would have to see logs to really know

amber fossil
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I am getting smoked in meters by lower ilvl sin rogues

balmy condor
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Then you’re probably playing wrong

amber fossil
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could I be simming wrong? I see a lot use frost dom shards, but unholy sims higher for me

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I use patchwork 1 boss and patchwork 2 boss

balmy condor
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Is your unholy set higher rank

keen aurora
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Do you have any logs we can look at

balmy condor
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^

amber fossil
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I currently run H raids only

balmy condor
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That’s fine

amber fossil
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I do, hold on

oak sky
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@balmy condor throw dagger to finish at 5 kekw

dawn ivy
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throw dagger is massive sometimes

amber fossil
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this is from last night. A lower ilvl rogue joined the raid at Soul

dull cloak
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painsmith stop dps has nothing on KT stop dps 😩

subtle tundra
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you dont stop dps on painsmith lmao

balmy condor
balmy condor
halcyon zealot
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they’re changing kt stop in 9.1.5

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i mean it’s worth to SLOW on pain i think to get the last axe before intermission atleast on prog

dull cloak
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my guild still progging on kt right now do sadge

halcyon zealot
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for the free 2ish % boss dam

balmy condor
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Rook log

visual prairie
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if it took us 100 pulls to kill remnant, will we ever kill painsmith?

gusty mirage
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yes

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well

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maybe

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you'll either kill painsmith

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or painsmith will kill you

hollow river
gusty mirage
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he only killed us 159 times before we got the bastard

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took us more pulls to kill guardian than it took for nerzhul Cring

hollow river
gusty mirage
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actual group of smooth brains tbh

hollow river
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I’ve heard Guardian is like a 1 nighter

visual prairie
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we are starting on soulrender tonight. any "oh shit, that makes it easier" tips?

gusty mirage
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guardian should be a 1 nighter if people aren't dumb

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play CT

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your job is to pump damage into the big add and the boss

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let the monks and boomies blow up the little adds

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also don't greed

hollow river
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You can also CT the boss during dances

gusty mirage
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dying to the dance is sadness

visual prairie
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how do you manage that. do you stack the little adds and pull the big guy on the boss in a separate area?

pale plank
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We are doing remnant tonight, a good chance of killing him

gusty mirage
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you use monk RoP to knock back the little add and CC then little adds

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then when big add is about to die you slappy hands them in and just nuke

hollow river
gusty mirage
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if you have 2 DKs the fight becomes about people not standing in swirlies and doing the chains properly

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it's actually brainless

hollow river
gusty mirage
visual prairie
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we did like 4 pulls yesterday after we finally got remnant. we were not sure the best strat when the big add was close to a couple of small ones

hollow river
gusty mirage
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brainless != easy

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😛

pale plank
hollow river
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I guess some people I know are brainless

pale plank
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Bcz mine are crap

hollow river
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Specifically mages

pale plank
hollow river
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Who don’t ice block after a bad chain overlap

gusty mirage
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it took us 20 pulls for the people with the brands to not stand on the group during chains and just use personals out in narnia

visual prairie
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like we were cc'ing the little ones, and single target the big one and then when it was dead gripping all the little ones onto the boss

hollow river
gusty mirage
visual prairie
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but we couldn't bring the boss to the big one because tanks would break cc if it was close to little ones

gusty mirage
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yeah small adds need to be CC'd right away

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so that's not an issue

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but if a CC gets broken you just gotta burn TF out of the big add

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so you can interrupt the cast

hollow river
gusty mirage
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it'll take some pulls but your guild will get used to it

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and then it'll click

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and you'll be like why tf did we wipe to this so much

visual prairie
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so like as soon as we see the swirl where the big guy will be, knock back any little ones in the area?

hollow river
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I wonder how bad painsmith reclear are

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For a guild like mine

visual prairie
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ring of peace will knock them back without breakign the cc?

hollow river
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We’re progging pain rn

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I think we’re gonna save when we kill him

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That’s what I’m assuming anyway

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:/

hollow river
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Idk if it breaks it or not

wide bolt
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think most guilds extend once theyve killed pain tbh

hollow river
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Yeah

wide bolt
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by that point you likely have all the gear you need to clear

hollow river
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I think we’ll have to if we wanna make CE

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I mean I think we have the gear

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Sadly though loot doesn’t drop often

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I’m still only 245

wide bolt
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yikes brother

hollow river
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Yeah dude

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I’ve gotten like 1 mythic drop in past 3 weeks

wide bolt
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that was the same for me i wasnt getting a lot of drops from relcears

real solar
wide bolt
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then like 2 weeks ago i shot up like 5 ilevels from one relcear

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just luck

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which sucks

hollow river
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We also don’t have that many leather wearers

wide bolt
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especially sicne you cant fill in dom pieces outside of raid

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yea that doesnt help either

hollow river
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2 druids 1 DH

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1 ww or rogue depending on what he’s playing

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I still need heroic kt loot

wide bolt
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surprised hes not forced monk for debuff

hollow river
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I don’t understand

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He is

wide bolt
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I still need sylv daggers after 2 months of farming her every week so i feel for you on the heroic loot

hollow river
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Still gearing his monk

wide bolt
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ah fair

hollow river
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I haven’t taken last weeks vault

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It has kt neck and shoulders in it

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Gonna clear heroic again and see if I can drop one of them

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And take the other from vault

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Then open this weeks kekw

stiff mural
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question: off topic, i was told just now you can do all difficulties for the clusters for fangs of the father.. is this true or..?

hollow river
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Uhhh what is that

wide bolt
stiff mural
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Legendary Daggers

hollow river
wide bolt
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but if you do say normal 10 man then do heroic 25 youll receive the difference between normal 10 and heroic 25 after clearing 25

stiff mural
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I was told you can swap the difficulty, say if i did heroic 25m i can do dragonsoul again

wide bolt
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yea you hsould be able to

stiff mural
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on normal 25

wide bolt
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oh no

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heroic 25 man is the highest doing any of the lower difficulties will not drop clusters

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if youve done heroic 25 first

stiff mural
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damn 😦 i can never do the last 2 cause i blow ass at spine

hollow river
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Which daggers are those

stiff mural
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Golash and Tiriosh

wide bolt
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cataclysm legendary daggers

hollow river
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The cata ones?

stiff mural
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ye

wide bolt
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nice to have for the glider

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and cata TW

hollow river
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Everyone’s been farming those lately

hollow river
wide bolt
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yea cata daggers have a 5 minute CD slow fall attached to them

hollow river
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Ooo

wide bolt
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more slow fall then glider

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might not be 5 min actually dont remmeber the cd havent used them in a bit

hollow river
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How long do they take to get?

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I heard like 3 weeks

stiff mural
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nope

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few months

wide bolt
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yea like some really easy quests now since theyre not scaled i think like a month? i did mine back in like legion tho so idk

hollow river
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O.o

wide bolt
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psure with full clears its about a month

stiff tapir
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I’ll stick with my lady’s daggers.

wide bolt
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would have to look it up

stiff tapir
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Sylvannas daggers

stiff mural
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you only get max 2 clusters per boss on 25m heroic

stiff tapir
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My DPS increases by 10% just cuz of the mogs

stiff mural
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and even before that you gotta do the 333 shadowy gems

hollow river
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I need winds of winter enchant for my sylv daggers

stiff mural
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it take s a few months to get the daggers

hollow river
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Looks so sick

wide bolt
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oh yea forgot about the shadow gems

stiff mural
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it takes minimum 4 lockouts to get the clusters quest done if ur insanely lucky

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but if ur like me who blows ass at doing spine and skips that/deathwing it will take u like 6

hollow river
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Does trash drop them too?

stiff mural
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nope

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just bosses

hollow river
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I need to farm my kingslayers too :/

stiff tapir
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What daggers are these?

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Don’t you just GET kingslayers when you boost?

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I have 3 different colors and I don’t think I did anything

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Unless it counts when you go for the outlaw dreadblades or whatever

hollow river
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No you don’t get them when you boost

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I think it counts when you get the outlaw weapons

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I’m not sure though

pale plank
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I hope we get some nice looking dagger for the new mage tower

dawn ivy
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oh no no no

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he doesnt know

pale plank
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Oh

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Tell me

balmy condor
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it's tomb of sargeras recolor

pale plank
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Bruh

oak sky
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cooler than no mage tower

balmy condor
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like a ghostly blue/silver thing

oak sky
obtuse robin
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u should of played legion then !!!!!!!!

pale plank
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So Druid gets a nice looking fel bear and we get a reskin?

obtuse robin
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well its always like that

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druid things

oak sky
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i mean

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the druid set would be literally nothing for them otherwise

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almost literally

obtuse robin
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yea wheres my rogue cool pick pocket system they promised

arctic hare
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lol

obtuse robin
oak sky
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wheres my raid utility they promised

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wheres my class design that was never promised and never will come

pale plank
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I totally forgot about pick pocket

arctic hare
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Pickpocket system?

obtuse robin
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they had thing in beta where we can get different buffs or w/e from pickpocketing diff npcs

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then they scraped it

pale plank
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How g can we pick pocket from players?

static rock
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
wintry mica
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yea it combined with your crimson vial or something right

obtuse robin
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yea vial would have diff effects

cerulean nest
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thats pretty cool sounding

red plaza
obtuse robin
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that sounds so cool

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imagine ur bleeds exsanguiate when u use vial

arctic hare
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Yeah lol

wintry mica
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or something like the torg vanish power

obtuse robin
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yesssssssss

wintry mica
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would be so busted though lol

obtuse robin
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yea lol

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make master poisoner baseline and put it with the pickpocket system

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replace ity with a better pvp talent

frigid kestrel
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I remember getting hyped over the crimson vial ingredient thingie that never made it into the game

cerulean nest
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sounds like they just took that concept, gave it to Theotar, and called it a day

delicate smelt
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for how much crit i should aim with Dashing and Frost lvl4? sitting around 39% right now

cerulean nest
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more than that, but Top Gear will tell you

halcyon zealot
sudden canyon
oak sky
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boomie has glyph

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fuck feral

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🙂

sudden canyon
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remember vials built in stack dr

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that was sick

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was basically a free cloak when stacked with feint

hollow river
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Anyone know of mages tower is on PTR?

arctic hare
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HECK YEAH! FIRST 252 DAGGER!

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I do need to know though

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Does it matter if celestial guidance in in main hand or offhand at all?

hollow escarp
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nope

arctic hare
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Oh thank god lol

west geode
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Better sim it but it’s minor if it does

arctic hare
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So I now have a 252 MH and a 229 oh

shrewd helm
arctic hare
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Beautiful

burnt zodiac
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Whats the best soulbind for SoD for venthyr?

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I'm Currently Nadja

halcyon zealot
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but you can sim all the soulbinds on top gear

burnt zodiac
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thats what im running atm

halcyon zealot
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to find what’s best for your profile

burnt zodiac
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aight thanks man

halcyon zealot
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npnp

echo cargo
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Sim, I had the second page sim for 50 dps higher before

amber fossil
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I am setting up WA addon for the first time. Is there a easy guide out there ?

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I am not looking to redo my whole UI, just to track the main stuff like SND, Gar, Rup, etc

halcyon zealot
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!WA

prisma monolithBOT
halcyon zealot
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those are some good rogue WA groups to get u started

amber fossil
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ty kindly

arctic hare
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Welp

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my guild blew up

zinc frost
arctic hare
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indeed

manic pebble
ebon notch
arctic hare
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None

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We got stuck after killing Sylv on normal

timid cloud
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Didn’t you just kill Remnant?

arctic hare
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Then Guild Leader was teririble

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so death to me

dense hamlet
timid cloud
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Oh. It was out of your 15 box.

pale plank
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eeyyyyyyyyyy 10k club

amber fossil
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this channel has been a plethora of info to improve. As talented MA I was told part of the rotation should be Vend-Vanish-Mut, but wouldnt it be better to swap Ambush for Mut since you are stealthed and Ambush hits harder?

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using Mut while stealthed seems like a waste

lean coral
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anyone have the arrow WA for sylv arrows that puts a circle in middle of your screen with countdown on the hit

zinc frost
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!mut

prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

amber fossil
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interesting

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per the spellbook mut hits for 1205, ambush hits for over 2x that at 2636

ebon notch
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yes but

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combo points

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read the message the bot posted

amber fossil
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mayeb I dotn understand it then, they both generate 2cp

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not sure what 4 vs 3 means

ebon notch
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the number of cp generated

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if mut crits

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compared to ambush

amber fossil
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ah ok ty

soft shale
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also more poison applications

shrewd helm
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how bad is having zoldyks with haste vers on them?

amber fossil
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its real;ly amazing this has been figured out and calculated

soft shale
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dps stats on leggos are like 20 dps more or less

shrewd helm
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I have legs at 190 and was trying to decide if I should r ecraft

soft shale
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tbh zold is only for m+

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so i would craft them with crit mastery and just go next

ebon notch
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if theyre 190 you can recraft them

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but as hacha said

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the gains are small

soft shale
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try to get the highest ilvl possible tho you gain the most from the agi there

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pants are big bois

ebon notch
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they are amplified if you're gonna make them 262 but its still pretty meh

shrewd helm
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guild just asked me to swap to rogue so im t rying to catch up on leggos. I have DS at 235 and will be my first 262. trying to decide now if I want to make zoldyk for mplus or obideience

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made zoldyk with haste/vers back in CN

soft shale
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i would just play dashing in everything

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until you can get 262 zold

shrewd helm
hollow river
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2% wipe on painsmith

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So close

hollow escarp
ebon notch
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are you going outlaw loot spec

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for shiny weapon

hollow river
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there's literally no shot

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that i wouldn't be

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i mean need the legs too but that wep would be pretty sick i'd actually try outlaw in raid most likely if i got one

brazen zodiac
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@ebon notch hia

ebon notch
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suh

brazen zodiac
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how ar eu

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i got raid premium !

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its been at 86 for 10 minutes

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:D

obtuse robin
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holy shit

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no more asking me to use mine

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jk lmao

civic trellis
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It happens sometimes. F5

brazen zodiac
#

lmfaooo

ebon notch
#

lets goooo

brazen zodiac
#

lets gooo

stiff tapir
#

Good times

late gulch
#

As assasin what legendary should i go with?

raven vapor
#

what content are you doing? m+/raiding?

late gulch
#

atm only m+ but goal is to get into raiding

#

am venthyr

lean coral
#

Zoldyck for keys then

raven vapor
#

if you're aiming for raiding you should go dashing+frost and high crit

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if you're focusing m+ atm go zold

lean coral
#

If he's just starting raiding he should probs start with doomblade

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Won't have the crit to pull off dashing frost

late gulch
#

am not gonna push keys past 15s. just doing them for gear atm.

lean coral
#

Nor the frost set itself I assume

raven vapor
#

depends how many cinders they have, if the goal is raiding i would build that set first

late gulch
#

is dashing alot worse then doom without the frost sets?

raven vapor
#

doomblade will probably perform better for you now but the goal would be dashing

lean coral
#

You need alot of crit to make it work

#

So once you have solid gear

late gulch
#

a side question. am around 230 atm. is that enugh to start puging hc?

lean coral
#

Yeh

raven vapor
#

yes that's fine

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what's your current crit %?

late gulch
#

sec let me see. not online atm 🙂

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26,69

#

i got the flag legendary atm. so am not without a legendary. but looking at warcraft logs i noticed no one seems to run it. or not alot atleast. hence why i was interested in what to build 🙂

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as i dont wanna waste my cinders

raven vapor
#

okay so yeah you're a while out from the dashing build, doomblade/obedience will perform better for you for the time being

#

i'd stick with obedience if you already have it

#

untill you're crit is higher and you have at least r4 frost

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then go dashing

late gulch
#

so save cinders for dashing then? my obedience is at 225 atm

raven vapor
#

the legendary ilvl doesn't matter much

late gulch
#

ah true

rocky pecan
#

you ucan puut obe at 235 for get a little more ilvl for hc pug

#

it cost 0 cinders to 235

late gulch
#

yea 🙂

#

i recently dinged on this one so havent played it for long 🙂

#

btw is IQD good fior assasin?

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for*

raven vapor
#

it's one of the better m+ trinkets

#

phial/iqd/totem

late gulch
#

ah nice. got it at 236 🙂

raven vapor
#

just make sure you're running the iqd weak aura so you're not popping it at the wrong time

late gulch
#

ah you got a link?

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dont think i have it

#

and also thanks alot for all the help 🙂 ❤️

raven vapor
late gulch
#

thanks 😄

#

with doomblade do you use tempest in st for the extra bleed?

zinc frost
#

Yep, just not if your using dashing

lean coral
#

I never played tempest st for doomblade

agile geode
#

you have to use it when shiv is off

#

with doomblade

#

is worth

lean coral
#

Idk where this is from but I can't find any good rogue logs using doomblade in a st fight

#

With tempest

viral locust
#

yeah fuck using CT on ST with Doomblade haha

lean coral
#

Yeah idk if they fucking with that person or what

raven vapor
lean coral
#

^^

celest grove
#

Hi, can i ask stoopid questions here ?

lean coral
#

Shoot

raven vapor
#

you'll probably find the blindside/ds build sims higher but EP/VIG is a safer play in most cases

lean coral
#

Feels better to play too

celest grove
#

I need help with simulating my character to be honest. I dont know what to click and always come above 16mil iterations

lean coral
#

Probs don't sim gems if you are

#

Those add alot

#

Depending on sockets

#

Same with different enchants

zinc frost
#

I mean they asked if they use t in ST which you do if your specced into CT. I assumed they meant using it ST rotation

raven vapor
#

yeah of course if you want to run CT just maintain the dot in ST

dawn kelp
#

Should I use theotar soulbind or naj lady?

raven vapor
#

naj

lean coral
#

Naj

dawn kelp
#

Ty

celest grove
lean coral
#

Yeah find your best gear first

raven vapor
#

what is it you're trying to sim? top gear?

lean coral
#

Enchants and gems is just most likely gonna be crit assuming you're running meta build

#

I assume so if he's getting that many iterations

raven vapor
#

yeah so unless you have premium just run it on a slot by slot basis

celest grove
#

Yeah i got premium but i saved to much gear i guess

#

Dont know what i can keep and trow away

raven vapor
#

sim the items with your bis stats and highest ilvl rather than selecting all of your items

lean coral
#

If you're going for raid gear or key I guess high crit gear is good

raven vapor
#

e.g no point simming a 213 vers/mas item if you have a 239 haste/crit

celest grove
#

I can share the results here ?

raven vapor
#

do you want to send me your input string and i'll take a look?

celest grove
#

Yes please

agile geode
#

guys

#

what is going on

#

did i miss something?

shrewd night
#

Ah yes, the link with no context

agile geode
#

the link with assa 4th

#

my god..

#

"no context"

rocky pecan
#

where is the problem ?

agile geode
#

there isnt a problem

#

it was just for talking, why we're jumped so high

#

i thought i could've missin something happened to assa

#

wasnt expected to be so high in logs

rocky pecan
#

it's almost 2 month we are on top

#

so 😒

verbal mantle
#

well these kind of charts are also not really relevant

#

and yes, it's been a while

agile geode
#

👍

verbal mantle
wanton creek
#

Anyone else having absolutely horrible luck with daggers🥲

agile geode
rocky pecan
#

i dont have any sylv dagger yet

#

if this is why you uask ross

#

what*

wanton creek
#

I don’t have a dagger > 239

verbal mantle
agile geode
#

ofc

#

👍

rocky pecan
#

mm+ and uupgrade for 246 ?

wanton creek
verbal mantle
#

seems to be your only chance to get higher ilvl dagger dawg yeh

rocky pecan
#

y true xd

verbal mantle
#

keep farming FroogyNod

rocky pecan
#

buut you can spam

wanton creek
#

Working full time and raid is 3 nights a week

#

Hard to fit in farming

verbal mantle
#

if you can do like at least 4 keys in the week it's already something when you have that kindof schedule

#

but yeh it's not that easy to find room and spam a dungeon esp with pugs

rocky pecan
#

or pvp prolly more easy to find time if you got a friend

#

1h day or 30 min arena when you ucan with him and grind then upgrade

zinc frost
late birch
#

Anyone try deathspike as assa in m+? prolly not worth it huh

zinc frost
#

Yeah I tried it, it’s fun in 15s but thats about it

late birch
#

figured, not competitive against Zoldyck i take it then

rotund oak
#

Hello boys,on soulrender we go with tempest aight?

#

(mythic)

small island
#

yes

gloomy violet
#

hi can i check which domination set bonus is best for assassin rogue single target(in raid ) , i sim it it says unholy is the best or did i sim wrongly

shrewd night
alpine garden
#

Im assuming fusion amp is like shiv in that we hit the button on cooldown?

verbal mantle
#

yes

alpine garden
lost wharf
rocky pecan
#

well since we take 2 dagger it's worth ? xd

wheat lance
#

!oil

prisma monolithBOT
#

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

heavy vessel
#

252 SGT vs 239 SFA. Totem sims +15-30 higher over the amp depending on fight length. Are there any intangibles that would make amp the preferred trinket? Is there a situation where totem loses value? Do they crit? If so do their crits feed into Winds of Winter?

spice spire
rocky pecan
#

agi dif tho

heavy vessel
#

another sim question. Every time I sim it says to shuffle my gems around (frost on shoulder/chest/hands) for a +20dps gain. Same gems, different slots, gains. Is this just variance in the sim or an actual increase? Doesn't make sense it'd be an actual increase

spice spire
#

I legitimately don’t think this is a gain. Or if it is, it’s a weird one. Hate the double ping, but @balmy condor @limber lion any experience with this happening?

heavy vessel
#

Seems to be every sim it says to put blood in boots and UH in chest and frost in the other 3 for gains.

#

I dont really care about the gains, just curious as to the why. Is it actually a thing or some artifact of the variance within the sim iterations.

winged kindle
#

I’ve been getting randoms sims that show certain empowered endurance conduits as a DPS gain. Not sure what the cause is

tired vessel
shrewd night
#

Sounds like janky sim code

#

Margin is usually around 5 dps or so, so seems weird

heavy vessel
#

Do trinket crits (Totem, amp, phial) feed into winds of winter?

#

or can they even crit? ya they can, checked my own log, duh.

rocky pecan
#

have you some log with totem / amp / phial ?

#

if it's not the case you can already answer by looking on warcraft log

#

let me a sec

#

youu good sir ❤️

heavy vessel
#

Still dont know if that counts toward Winds... how would I check that?

shrewd night
#

Dummy testing kekw

#

Easiest is probably using a winds wa and just drop totem

spice spire
#

Are there dummies in the maw?

#

I am 99% sure it doesn’t count toward winds

viscid spear
spice spire
#

Fuck

quasi grotto
#

does play style change at all with winds?

lavish lichen
#

No you just do 10% more damage

#

What a system huh

heavy vessel
#

And get absorb shields to cheese mechanics lol

viscid spear
#

I haven't had my computer for the last 3 weeks, decided to use my brother's this past week and I have to say H Sylvanas does not agree with his computer.

#

I haven't been able to do Snoreghast to get Dashing made.

grand ridge
#

I don't think I'm going to do torghast until 9.1.5

#

Just pick a Saturday and do torghast like 10 times and be done with it for the rest of the tier

#

I've got dashing and doomblade at 252

lean coral
#

I just do 1 wing for weekly conduit upgrades to finish my stuff out

waxen thunder
#

When im building up flag stacks, and there is like 2 seconds left and I have 3 CPs, is it worth dumping them to get the extra flag stacks or do I just hold them?

gusty mirage
#

Never finish early

waxen thunder
#

@gusty mirage Awesome thanks, what I had been doing but wanted to double check.

gusty mirage
waxen thunder
#

Thats wild, wouldnt have guessed that one

spice spire
gusty mirage
ember mural
gusty mirage
sand sigil
#

it's worth as obedience sub to finish on anything more than 1 for stacks apparently

#

maybe need to double check that but like 95% sure on that one

ember mural
#

sounds good, thanks guys

sand sigil
#

like if ur time is running out i mean

gusty mirage
#

I have a hunch you’re right because sub gets to 30 pretty consistently

sand sigil
#

and in blades flag u want to just go ss evisc ss evisc so u don't overcap

oak sky
#

Thats wild

alpine garden
#

If we get sucky timing and gar/rup are up for refresh when shiv comes off cd what we do?

oak sky
#

Do it during shiv

gusty mirage
#

It’s not ideal but it’s better than letting them drop off

oak sky
#

^

alpine garden
#

Ta folks

shrewd night
gusty mirage
oak sky
#

Die too fast FeelsWeird

shrewd night
#

wdym, only thing supposed to hit them is the totem

gusty mirage
west geode
#

how does sim work with PI, is there an option to select

fallen arch
lavish lichen
#

Wanted to try Necro Assa

fallen arch
lavish lichen
#

Does SBS help with downtime? Since it had a lower energy costs than other builders?

fallen arch
#

No

#

You don’t use it per se during downtime

#

Because you can doesn’t mean you should

lavish lichen
#

Ofc, i just mean that since it had a lower energy costs you’ll have lower downtime

fallen arch
#

I don’t see that logic?

lavish lichen
#

The reason there is downtime is because your builders costs energy? Am I mistaken on that?

fallen arch
#

What do you mean by downtime?

lavish lichen
#

If you have builders that cost a lower amount if energy, you should have lower downtime waiting for energy

fallen arch
#

Time you’re not using abilities?

#

That is not downtime

lavish lichen
#

Yes pooling for envenoms

fallen arch
#

Downtime is time when u can’t actually hit the boss due to mechanics

lavish lichen
#

No

fallen arch
#

Pooling in my eyes is something different than downtime

lavish lichen
#

Downtime is literally not pressing abilities

#

Regardless, now that you understand my question, does it help with that?

peak bobcat
#

No

fallen arch
#

Don’t really think so

#

Flag gives you a temporary haste buff which helps with energy regen

#

So end of the day it should be equal

#

But you’d have to ask a tc that

lavish lichen
#

Hmm think I’ll still give it a try thanks!

fallen arch
#

What’s your end goal?

lavish lichen
#

They’re all close enough that I just care about which is the most fun

#

Ofc really subjective 😂

#

Currently Kyr and I like the way it plays with Kleia and frost, it’s also kinda cool to get extra env in shiv

fallen arch
#

I have more fun with Necro, especially when there’s more targets involved

cursive silo
#

Just sim both covenants go in the report and check the « waiting for energy » time and youll have your answer

lavish lichen
#

Yea I played it a bit when I first made my rogue, it was a much more interactive

#

Cool I’ll do that TY!

#

Deathspike could be better in m+ with uncapped fok and CT yea 🤔

#

Or is that COPIUM

spice spire
#

Pooling isn’t downtime rescWTF
The only thing that helps with downtime is being on boss more. As for speedier gameplay, venthyr BS/DS has a bit more APM iirc

#

Deathspike still not great at that point pretty copium

#

But I have mad whispyrhopium that it will be good one day

lavish lichen
#

from the t27 profiles

#

idk wtf that feral shit is

cursive silo
#

Downtime is when youre not doing anything which is both when you don’t have the ressources to do anything AND when youre not in range to do anything

lavish lichen
#

^^

cursive silo
alpine latch
oak sky
#

Feral is a super pooler

lavish lichen
#

however, being energy-based helps with unavoidable downtime because when you go do a mechanic you are basically delaying you pooling later since you are doing it while doing the mechanics

cursive silo
#

Not even

#

80 sec waiting

#

Kekw

lavish lichen
#

WAIT

#

waiting for what? buffs?

cursive silo
#

I don’t play feral so idk

lavish lichen
#

maybe its waiting while they spec balance

cursive silo
#

Procs or low energy

cobalt pelican
#

i mean

lavish lichen
cobalt pelican
#

there's a reason owlweaving exists

#

spec has 0 buttons to press half of the time

cursive silo
#

Also maybe convoke being buggy idk

cobalt pelican
#

so they just refresh balance dots

lavish lichen
#

all crazy to see I didnt know NF boomy had more variance than venthyr

oak sky
#

Makes sense

lavish lichen
#

I guess it doesn't account for my venthyr dying every pull FeelsWeird

cursive silo
#

Owlweave only has 20 sec waiting + pooling

oak sky
#

More rng for nf vs playing venthyr optimally

cursive silo
#

Tho the t27 sims are weird

#

They aren’t using nf leggo

oak sky
#

For feral or balance?

#

And is it numerically good on them anyway?

cursive silo
#

Feral

#

Idk i just know everyone plays that

peak bobcat
#

The t27 sims aren’t updated

harsh lantern
#

we killed em 🙏

image0.png
#

time for pain

gusty mirage
harsh lantern
#

tyty

gusty mirage
#

Prepare yourself mentally for painsmith

#

You’ll lose faith in humanity at about 100 pulls in

drifting cloud
#

20*

gusty mirage
harsh lantern
#

oof I’ll prepare the body

#

we did like 4 for fun pulls last night

#

Oh boy

fervent rune
#

We are very close to downing soulrender and I scared painsnith might blow up the guild 😕

gusty mirage
#

Pain just takes a lot of pulls until one just clicks

#

You’ll find the hardest part of the fight is dealing with people greeding corners on intermissions

sand sigil
#

pain the type of fight where every single raider needs to be able to do the fight like 10 times in a row without dying before u finally kill it. like most fights people can mess up and u can kill it even if ur raid has like 2-6 noobs but unfortunately painsmith one of those where almost everyone gotta be a gamer (for the prog kill anywyas)

#

i guess with more gear u can afford to have like 3 ppl dead the whole time and still kill but usually prog kill most ppl need to be up going into p3

gusty mirage
#

Yeah with better gear it’s less punishing if you have some potatoes

harsh lantern
#

this guild is about to start extending and I got no gear compared to them rip the 250 dream

gusty mirage
#

But the hard part is getting to p3 with everyone alive

#

They’re better off just extending after killing painsmith tbh

harsh lantern
#

that’s what I figured

#

but I just joined

gusty mirage
#

Assuming people still need gear off the first 5 it’s kind of a crapshoot to extend for painsmith because ideally you can clear 5/10 in like a couple hours max

lavish lichen
#

Some guilds on raid a couple hours

#

Is the issue

harsh lantern
#

yeah I’m like 244-246 with best gear

#

need a few from first 5

#

dmg seems fine tho

gusty mirage
harsh lantern
#

yeah it’s a two day

#

They wanna extend for ce

lavish lichen
#

Nah like spending 2 hours reclearing is significant if you raid 6 hours a week

#

That’s 1/3 if your raid time

oak sky
#

Like most fights pain is pretty fun until you sink too many pulls into it

gusty mirage
#

We raid 6 hours a week and only extended once

#

So idk

lavish lichen
#

Ok?

gusty mirage
#

If people need gear it’s worth reclearing

#

Idk what’s so hard to understand about that

#

Because sure the dps check for pain is irrelevant in today’s gear. But a lot of people are finishing up their dom shards

#

And every ember matters

harsh lantern
#

I’ve been r5

#

Just want some ilvl and more crit

#

for the copium

lavish lichen
#

You don’t always need gear to prog the boss you are on, sometimes 2 hours of prog > 1 ilvl across the raid

#

Idk I dont think its as black and white as you say

rocky pecan
#

even truue on raznal

gusty mirage
#

More embers > less embers because I guarantee at least 5-8 people in your raid group don’t have rank 5

#

Seems pretty black and white to me

#

We’re 7/10 and we have people missing dom socket pieces still peeposhrug

rocky pecan
#

we're 8/10 and we got ppl missing dom socket tho but they got r5 bonuus

#

everything isnt abouut r5

oak sky
#

Yeah I didn't get my last slot until after I killed guardian

gusty mirage
#

It is a significant jump in damage, that’s all I’m saying peeposhrug

oak sky
#

Reclear can be kinda nice for a break from one boss and getting some parse in too

viscid spear
fallen arch
#

Guess we won’t get over the Painsmith wall then

ebon notch
#

my first painsmith kill we did it with someone dead the entire fight

#

one of these bars

#

is a dps

sand sigil
#

yeah 1 person is ok but 3 makes it a bit rough

oak sky
#

I was gonna say 1 or 2 with current gear is probably fine

ebon notch
#

this was around

#

august 22

#

we had an average ilvl of 245?

#

so yeah

#

should be easily doable with 2 or 3 dead

harsh lantern
#

pretty much my guild ilvl

ebon notch
#

i think half our raid didnt even have bonus

#

at that point

oak sky
#

Gaming

fallen arch
#

My guildies can’t keep alive during reclears of the Eye and the Nine

#

Rip

#

Try progging a fight like Painsmith with that

ebon notch
#

lmao

cursive silo
#

healers being bad

ebon notch
#

just cloak 4head

fallen arch
#

Not all guildies have cloak

#

But ye, bad healers, bad dps

cursive silo
#

20 rogue guild RHpog

fallen arch
#

Bad overall

#

2 ok tanks, 3-4 solid dps, 2 good healers. That’s what gets you stuck at about 4/10 mythic

fervent rune
#

Wow you would think we are in the same guild Oz lol

fallen arch
frigid kestrel
#

We had a hard time farming Heroic Sylvie. Like so much so we just didn’t do it and went into Mythic farm only to wipe on Terragrue.

#

Deprog week I guess

fallen arch
#

Been there done that too

#

Lf guild

ebon notch
#

cause pugs are killing her pretty consistently now

frigid kestrel
fallen arch
#

People fallling off in p2 Thinkge

cursive silo
#

I mean if you wipe on tarragrue i can see how sylvie goes bad

frigid kestrel
#

But also some folks had some unexpected lag issues they never had before, so it’s not all people just zoning out

ebon notch
#

actually made me depressed

scenic root
#

My guild skipped prog on h syl and went to mythic. At this point I will probably have to pug my aotc

fallen arch
frigid kestrel
#

Usually is 2 - 3 people die in P1 we just call for a wipe

ebon notch
#

;-;

fallen arch
#

I fell of once

#

Wont do it again

ebon notch
fallen arch
#

I blame my cat

fallen arch
#

Ppl be spastic

frigid kestrel
#

RIVE

fallen arch
#

Ramping boomies.. I DONT WANNA MOVE

ebon notch
#

any kirbyau enjoyers in the chat?

frigid kestrel
#

We had one guy die to a arrow that was ontop the boss once, but that was one singular time so I can’t even be mad.

ebon notch
#

in my boost runs there are mythic raiders with multikills that do this

#

like its so obvious theres a chain under theb oss

#

or next to it

#

you can see it

#

so be prepared to run away from it

frigid kestrel
#

Yup

#

Like I said my guilds decent so like they can and have all dont this flawlessly….. must have been just a bad day for most or something

#

Next run they will all play perfect and I’ll be the one dying, that’s how things like this work I guess Fight

brazen zodiac
#

@ebon notch hi whispyrheart

shrewd helm
# ebon notch so be prepared to run away from it

To be fair I have made this mistake once. My excuse was 16 hour workday then raiding after.

Usually on p1 I’ll step to someone else’s chain so I can maximize damage after throwing my bonespike (before I swapped to Venthyr)

Yeah I accidentally stepped@my own chain and died.

ebon notch
#

yeah im sure there are legitimate reasons

shrewd helm
#

Yeah I was kinda mad at myself and a lot of how the fuck did I just do that.

fallen arch
#

For sure a lot of rogues have stepped their own arrow during prog

drifting cloud
#

I stepped on it like 2 weeks ago in hc

#

didnt even proc cheat

#

lmaofrostset

buoyant fossil
#

Cheat death saved me during my arrow stepping. Cheat death did not save me from rive :c

fallen arch
#

I think it only saves you from damage 2x your health?

brazen zodiac
#

something like that

scenic root
#

I took around 3 mil on a wipe on guardian, cheat death did nothing for that lmao.

celest ruin
#

i have found the secret to parsing in painsmith

#

let every other dps die when p3 starts

lavish lichen
#

Yea smash them in execute

#

Hopefully you get 10 dagger procs

scenic root
#

Ran painsmith last night, had to get the cross hair WA, since main is a ranged DPS. Wasn't to bad a fight for rogues. Not to much down time for mechanics

celest ruin
#

i have succeeded lmao

shrewd helm
fallen arch
#

1 booster, 15 boostees

#

What’s the story here

celest ruin
#

just trying to parse in a pug group

#

imo its better if your other dps is low so vendetta is always up after intermission

#

if youre with a good group timings are rip

brazen zodiac
cerulean nest
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does anyone try to bait longer Shard of Cor dmg buffs on fights like soulrender

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like not damaging all adds at once, to try and extend it?

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or is that a loss overall

fallen arch
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Don’t think it’s worth it to break your head over

fallen arch
celest ruin
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painsmith hc

spark salmon
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Dashing > Doom in pure ST

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?

fallen arch
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But yes, considering other factors optimal

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So rank 5 frost, high crit, venthyr, high item level

spice spire
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If all of the above are met, dashing will be the winner.
Even if you’re Necro, dashing wins on frost 5 > high crit > high ilvl. But the answer is always, open up raidbots, go to top gear, unlock all legendaries and compare

fallen arch
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Does it also for Kyrian btw?

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Oh yes it does

dawn kelp
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when opening out of stealth should i be mutilate or ambush?

alpine garden
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!mut

prisma monolithBOT
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Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

spice spire
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Mutilate - this is also in the #assassination-faq where they cover a lot of principles 🙂

alpine latch
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Just got my raid playlist finished... Time to set some records tonight bois

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We're finally doing the skippity skip and spending the night on Sylv.

spice spire
old halo
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Hey all, ive been strugling shadow stepping on nerzul for the MDispell strat. Any tips or tricks im not using? Or is the window to press SStep really like .2s

lavish lichen
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are you facing the group

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idk why but made it easier for me

old halo
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ive tried both and still get yeeted

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do you SS to boss?

lavish lichen
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you have the WA as well assume?

old halo
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yeah

lavish lichen
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anything in range works

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sometimes tanks dont move boss close enough and if you are a bit slow its out of range

balmy condor
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Just gotta get better at the timing

old halo
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the .2s timing sux

drifting cloud
visual prairie
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i was having issues with that

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i wasn't pressing it soon enough

old halo
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looking at my logs it does look like the boss is tanked too far for shadowstep to reach unless i time it perfectly, would a focus SS macro on tank give me more time?

visual prairie
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press it right before mass dispell wa got to the end

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instaed of right after

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fixed it fo rme

old halo
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i was afraid to do it early cuz other rogue SS too soon once and wiped us, but i will try a little sooner

balmy condor
lavish lichen
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dont do tank

visual prairie
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and i was practicing on every malevolence even when it wasn't me

lavish lichen
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odds are they arent that far from the boss lol

visual prairie
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yeah, when i'm actualy one of the 2, i step to a person, not the boss

brazen zodiac
visual prairie
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every time i see you in the world, you always step to my girl

lavish lichen
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ALSO

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use quick decisions conduit

old halo
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we like 60 pulls in and ive only had it like 5 times so just need to get the timing, of course QD conduit XD

visual prairie
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like i said you can still practice the timing when it's not you

old halo
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true i will def do that fleep

visual prairie
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"oh, i barely moved on that one, would have worked if i was a dude"

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dude = person with malevolence

drifting cloud
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or just use the wa and nobody will ever die from it again RHmm

visual prairie
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didn't they fix it so you can't rely on the guid to determine cast order? you still need to step?

drifting cloud
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it still works

harsh lantern
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best is when you anticipate the cast ending and they cancel cast

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2 charges please

old halo
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cool, thanks for the info guys. We got her down to 20% so she going down next week

visual prairie
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i like when they cancel a cast because the swirlies appear when just finishing the cast would knock them out of the swirly anyway

harsh lantern
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^

balmy condor
devout hazel
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yo

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someone here

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?

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i need the dps difference between rank 5 unholy and rank 5 frost

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because im too lazy to get rank 5 frost when i alredy have rank 5 unholy

rocky pecan
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Sim it?

devout hazel
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it doesnt work

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i alredy try it

rocky pecan
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You have to check gems change

devout hazel
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oh

rocky pecan
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Can't screen I'm on phone

spice spire
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Uh lemme grab

balmy condor