assassination

[grand ridge]

I do like the idea of being able to pair flag with vendetta more often

[wintry mica]

doomblade has fallen off for me though so I assume if its still close its because you are necro

[grand ridge]

yeah that extra bleed affecting the legendary from bone spike

I haven't touched necrolord on my rogue

I will when this patch comes out

[alpine latch]

For me, anything under 0.5% increase I don't consider a priority. That's just my own personal threshold

I don't particularly enjoy Torghast, so the idea of chasing the 0.1% increase for me currently by moving to DS (on top of the gold cost) just isn't worth it to me.

[scenic root]

Do you have high crit?

[alpine latch]

Not insanely high. ~38% I believe.

Still waiting on a two dom sockets that won't fucking drop

[wintry mica]

yea so obe still outsims dashing for me even at 45% crit

but doomblade is like 100 dps below

[scenic root]

I'm at 38% crit and only r4 frost set and DS sims higher, so not sure. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/urvpz1TYGzjsWxb8X2L7J9

[wintry mica]

yea its only like 10 dps so not worth upping my obe to 262 just for that

just barely outside the margin of error

[scenic root]

I crafted my obe crit/verse for sub, so I just went ahead and made DS at 262.

[wintry mica]

yea I still just did crit/haste on my obe

[alpine latch]

Yup. Mine is relatively low. It's not worth the gold cost to gain such a small amount of damage for me.

[loud mason]

crafting zoldyck on legs with haste/mastery for purely m+ usage on 20 keys is alright?

[alpine latch]

Yup. It goes on legs. There's no Dom socket on legs.

[loud mason]

i know obedicnce is better before someone writes it 😛 im just not hyped to constant try to max combo points on it

[alpine latch]

That's part of why I haven't made Zoldyck on my main yet - I don't have a cloak to replace Obe

[loud mason]

and the stats choice is alright?

haste/mast since its m+

[alpine latch]

I'd sim it

[scenic root]

I went and leveled up tailoring and cloak to rank 6 cause we need like 5 cloaks if playing two specs. Now my server it's cheaper to buy them than make.. rip

[loud mason]

il just go mastery, +-20 dps shoudnt be that important ^^

[wintry mica]

I wouldnt necessarily say obe is better in keys

and def still go crit/mast for stats, but you can do a dslice sim if you want to double check

[loud mason]

Thanks folks, my 2th question is about covernants, i see alot of necrolord assas rogues in raiderio 1st/2th page, is this purely cause they need it for theyr grp setup?

or does necrolord do better in m+ cause its more aoe

'than venthyr'

[wintry mica]

necro is ahead of venth by a bit in m+

[scenic root]

In 9.1.5 you will only see Necro unless it's a HoA or SD and they need a venthyr. Then all raids will have venthyr

[loud mason]

just noticed everyone runs atleast crit on legs and not haste as i thought, thanks for saving me there ^^

[brazen zodiac]

Crit on legs?

[scenic root]

Crit has more value in aoe than haste

[plain onyx]

I'm focusing on m+ and raids the most, kinda confused on which covenant I should go with, Venthyr or Necrolord. Any tips that might make up my mind ?

[fallen arch]

If you look at top logs, venthyr is the play for raid. Necro however is a bit better for m+ and it’s more fun to play there.

They’re both viable tho in both kinds of content, can’t really go wrong either way

[wintry mica]

just go night fae

[fallen arch]

Pls dont do that and you’re good

[wintry mica]

yea really cant go wrong with necro or venth for all content. Id say if you aren't leaning more towards m+ or raid just go with whichever covenant you think is more fun

[sand sigil]

ummmmm id say like 4 or 5 bosses maybe easier than heroic sylvanas?

maybe less. idk it's a lot dif now with how much gear u have

i'm not sure how hard heroic sylvanas is really anymore

[hollow river]

A lot of guilds have trouble with remnant and soulrender

[fervent rune]

I’d say first 3 for sure. Remnant and soulrender are probably on par with her

[storm hedge]

So I just got my hands on Salvaged Fusion Amplifier. As a venthyr playing doomblade, should I sync it with flag or vendetta?

[hollow river]

Just press it on cd

[fervent rune]

I think you just use it on cd and it will be synced with flag

[storm hedge]

yea on cd is basicly the same as with flag

[alpine latch]

Awesome, thanks. I was talking to some friends about how a lot of guilds opted to skip Sylv and go straight into Mythic for progression and they were trying to say that there was no way Sylv was harder than 2-3 bosses in Mythic

[drifting cloud]

shes not

you can say shes on par with eye/9 and even that might be a stretch

[sand sigil]

yeah i think first 3 and guardian probably easier

[ebon notch]

when we had doggo gear then sure she was hard

but now its really not

[limber lion]

Yeah, maybe all the bosses up to Painsmith. Some people struggle with Remnant/Eye though, so it's hard to say. They're all pretty easy fights with the current item levels honestly, but that of course depends on your team. :p

[hollow river]

H sylv is a snooze fest now

[limber lion]

But I think you should be able to slay off Sylvanas before you even touch Mythic honestly.

[hollow river]

We went and killed M terry before h sylv for the memes

[alpine latch]

My guild will sometimes wipe 5+ times on Fatescribe because people ignore the runes. Things SHOULD be easy... But aren't, sadly.

I've never seen a group of people fight so hard to be 2nd in damage

[hollow river]

This happens in mythic guilds too

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I know

[hollow river]

Honestly a lot of this raid is less enjoyable than CN

[alpine latch]

It's one of the pain-points of being in a mid-tier guild. Still kicking around the idea of keeping an alt in my guild and looking for a Mythic prog guild on my rogue

[hollow river]

Yeah I didn’t like leaving my friendos either

[alpine latch]

I wouldn't say they are my friends

I really like the GM - we've gotten close over the last year or so and I know she'd be super bummed if I left

[hollow river]

You can still be friends and help them on off nights

[alpine latch]

Other than her most of the guild never gets on Discord to shoot the shit or do much outside of maybe one night a week

The downside is - I want to play a damn rogue

And I don't know that I want to maintain two rogues

Even though I already am

[clear shadow]

if the fight is shorter than 5 minutes is it better to run the lethal poisons conduit over lashing scars?

[alpine latch]

Sim it

[hollow river]

Lashing is like one of the big reasons we go Venthyr iirc

[grizzled trail]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow river]

It does good damage. But always sim yourself

[wintry mica]

yea I'd be shocked if any conduit beats lashing, but top gear default gives you 4-6 minute fights when you run "5 min patchwerk" so thats already taken into account

[bleak sky]

Just leave the guild and find another that suits you better

[alpine latch]

Not sure if the guild that suits me best exists, honestly.

When I play a game, I go all-in and it's all I play.

I'm very much in the minority in that regard nowadays.

[bleak sky]

let me rephrase that

Find a guild that's not wiping 5+ times a night on fatescribe AND is progging on mythic

[halcyon zealot]

CN was miles better than this raid

[alpine latch]

I need a guild that progresses in Mythic but also has a strong community aspect

[bleak sky]

you can get friends outside of your guild

push keys with other people, they don't need to be in your guild

[alpine garden]

Did they change shadowstep on eye?

[bleak sky]

wdym

Shadowstep is working fine on Eye, just wait til the laser is very close to you and step.

[alpine latch]

Nope. Still working the same as always unless something changed in the last 24 hours.

[alpine garden]

It put me in a different place than usual

ie right in the laser

[balmy condor]

[bleak sky]

you're stepping early then

[balmy condor]

You didn’t wait long enough

[halcyon zealot]

can door of shadows it too if venth and for some reason shadowstep isn’t working

hell u can even cloak it

[spice spire]

Yeah you have to do it RIGHT as it’s about to hit you

[bleak sky]

shadowstep always works, no need to door it

[halcyon zealot]

door always works too, i’ve killed the boss 9 times never stepped it once, to each there own

there’s no right way

[rocky pecan]

Kill the boss before first laser easy

[spice spire]

For it to go to the right place. I showed someone a video of me doing it and they said “I kept saying step, step; come on, step it!”

You have to be patient with it to make sure you don’t die

[spice spire]

True actually

[fleet atlas]

@rozay do u keep 100% uptime with door of shadows like u do step tho. I actually don't know I'm still a bone guy

[balmy condor]

You have to cast it

[halcyon zealot]

i probably lose 2 globals

end of the worldddd

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

That's not true

Shadowstep is definitely the better choice all things considered.

You don't lose any uptime on the boss and it never ever fails.

[halcyon zealot]

i mean apparently it does

cuz this guy is saying it failed

[rocky pecan]

if you uwant heal log 100% you ucan also take the laser in front

[spice spire]

Don’t tempt me Cev. I’ll find a way

[limber lion]

He fucked it up and shadowstepped the add then or something

Idk

[halcyon zealot]

so i said you can door or cloak it if you can’t step it

[limber lion]

Yeh

But shadowstep is the ultimate choice

There's no question about it

Cloak/Door are good choices

But shadowstep is the best choice

[alpine latch]

Can't you cloak it also? Not that it's a good idea to do that

[limber lion]

Yes you can

[rocky pecan]

you can

[limber lion]

But especially on mythic it's better to save cloak for intermissions

[rocky pecan]

but prolly beter cloak intermission

[alpine latch]

yeah

[rocky pecan]

yup

[bleak sky]

laser getting real close to you -> shadowstep

[alpine latch]

But for Heroic you don't need to, you can cloak if you're afraid of doing it wrong

[ebon notch]

Also p3 to remove the healing debuff if you're struggling with putting out enough DPS

[fleet atlas]

Ya I mean 2 globals every beam isn't nothing. Especially cause I feel like I tend to always be in my shiv window

[limber lion]

Cloak will only work for one of the lasers though

You can't cloak every laser

You can however shadowstep every laser

[halcyon zealot]

ya i guess i shouldn’t have said there’s no right way, just that step isn’t the only way, especially if you’re constantly dying trying to do it

[limber lion]

or Door every laser

Not sure how you can ever die by shadowstepping

It's much less risky than door

[wintry mica]

Step puts you in the same spot every time

[limber lion]

like 10000000% less risky

It's the same exact spot every single time

[halcyon zealot]

shrug

[limber lion]

and there's no cast time

[halcyon zealot]

the guy said he was dyin

[rocky pecan]

with cheat death you dont even died to laser so 😒

[bleak sky]

and we said they're dying because they're doing it early

[limber lion]

Legit no one said they were dying to it

[fleet atlas]

That or they rnt standing far enough to the side b4

[limber lion]

Linkerino please

[alpine latch]

I died my first beam on Eye because I didn't know it was a static spot. Never died to lazer again

[rocky pecan]

spanish ceve ?

kek

[halcyon zealot]

.

[rocky pecan]

plzerino

[bleak sky]

here @limber lion

[limber lion]

= dying

Yes

Ah

[halcyon zealot]

i mean if ur in the laser ur gonna die? what

[limber lion]

Nah

[rocky pecan]

no

[limber lion]

You jsut proc cheat

ez

[rocky pecan]

you dont died

[bleak sky]

once: live

[wintry mica]

I mean what else would proc cheat on eye but laser lol

[bleak sky]

twice:

[rocky pecan]

you juust max heal log

all planed

[halcyon zealot]

not everything has to be condicending 😴

[limber lion]

But yeah, each to their own

[wintry mica]

Condescending*

[halcyon zealot]

.. nice

[fleet atlas]

U do however lose uptime in the laser cause it pushes u back lol.... don't ask how Ik this...

[rocky pecan]

Tonight is the night hc sylv drop me the famous dagger!

[timid cloud]

Condensation*

[bleak sky]

the dagger is a lie

doesn't exist

[fleet atlas]

True

[rocky pecan]

I know

But Its the only thing I trust who don't exist

[cobalt hemlock]

isnt 252 dagger better than heroic sylv. dagger or you all killing her on mythic?

[harsh lantern]

it’s small

[limber lion]

On main hand, sure

[fleet atlas]

My raid has 3 rogues with over 50 sylvanas kills eligible for loot between us and 0 daggers

[rocky pecan]

Isn't better in offhand

[limber lion]

But a 246 Edge of Night is better for offhand

[rocky pecan]

And it's a cool MOG tho

[wintry mica]

Also not everyone has 252 daggers either lol

[harsh lantern]

noob

[limber lion]

Yeh

But simmerino pepperino

[rocky pecan]

True

Peperoni

i wish i got the sylv MM but well will link the screen in a month prolly for this one kEk

[wintry mica]

I just want her to drop some shit other than the stupid belt

[harsh lantern]

truth

[chilly marsh]

when playing m+ with necro how you do rotation?

put garrotes up and ruptures or use bone spikes?

dont know if im timing bonespikes uses right

[balmy condor]

Subt garrotes > spikes > normal garrotes
Ct > rup

[plain thistle]

in the opener, what I usually do is: garrote 4x > CT > bone spike > bone spike > rupture > bone spike > rupture

for AoE

[spice spire]

What Jhonwei said is spot on.

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[spice spire]

Throw a shiv on a prio target if you’re feeling spicy for after that

(You should be)

But after that make sure as much as possible is ruptured+garroted up, maintain CT, and keep your snd up via envenom int when it’s close

[chilly marsh]

ty for tips

[cobalt hemlock]

is there a big difference between Winds of Winter on rank 4 and rank 5 because i always see on good rogues its dmg beeing #1 or #2 while mine beeing like 7th on dmg

[alpine latch]

You can sim it to see exactly how much it would boost your damage

From what I remember it's 200-400 DPS

But it's been a while since I have compared

[spice spire]

Mine was about 300 when I simmed

[arctic hare]

The energy regen is incredible

[grand ridge]

it will also do more damage with dashing scoundrel and by itemizing your gear for crit

[spice spire]

Yeah aoe energy regen bonkers

[grand ridge]

due to the way winds works

[spice spire]

I’m almost always overcapped on packs

[arctic hare]

Same here

[cobalt hemlock]

22% probably low huh

[spice spire]

Can’t spend it fast enough but rupture damage on 6 targets also higher than envenom

[arctic hare]

So far, my upper limit in aoe packs is 12k dps

This is at 233 ilvl though, so I’m not sure if it’ll be higher once I grab heroic gear

[spice spire]

I’ve hit 24k

You 100% will, I feel I’m on the low side

[arctic hare]

Jeez

Like, the highest I’ve EVER seen was 12k dps

[spice spire]

Note I’m hitting 24 but the aff lock is hitting 90

[arctic hare]

For mine

[arctic hare]

Scary

But yeah, i got a 15 vault for me when I get home

Have 252 shoulders and a 252 IQD

It is the most beautiful thing in the world when I have IQD and it procs with crit

Don’t have the frost set ready to go yet, think its rank 2-3

Once I get it to 4 I’ll create dashing scoundrel

[halcyon zealot]

yeah you can get some juicy pulls, i think my highest as sin was the first pull of halls with a hero, was like 23-24k

12k should kinda be like an average pull by the end of it tbh

[arctic hare]

At 233, I’m pretty good at 12k max

I pull 9k normally

[halcyon zealot]

yeah for 233 ur pumpin

[arctic hare]

Have a 242 hunter friend who hasn’t been able to beat me yet

Yeahhhhhh, he need some help

I tried outlaw but for some reason I can’t make it surpass Sin yet

[halcyon zealot]

outlaw punishes mistakes far more than sin does, in my opinion

[arctic hare]

Prooooobably why then

Also i’m venthyr

I’ll be going necro for m+ and venth for raiding once 9.1.5 comes out

[subtle gyro]

im 225, and pulling 8kish...but my weps are trash : / rank 4 frost though. Makes me sad panda

[arctic hare]

8k in aoe?

[subtle gyro]

ST

[arctic hare]

Sustained?

[subtle gyro]

for the most part, minus mechs. Like if im able to keep stacks of Alacrity

[arctic hare]

Right

I’m not totally sure how much I can sustain without mechs

[subtle gyro]

its cringe on Painsmith

i try..fok on the balls n such

[arctic hare]

Put ruptures

On the balls I mean, when they disappear, they give the energy back I’ve noticed

[oak sky]

Or you can cancelaura snd

[arctic hare]

lol

[oak sky]

Then recast

[slow marsh]

Kind of not really tho

[arctic hare]

In aoe it seems like it for sure

[slow marsh]

Outlaw restless blades constantly refreshing stuff makes it ezpz

[arctic hare]

Ofc, i do know how to play sin FAR better than outlaw

So that could be the problem

[slow marsh]

The only thing you can really mess up is not flurrying before KS xD

[arctic hare]

KS?

[slow marsh]

Killing spree

[arctic hare]

Ahh, right

Love that ability

[full tendon]

Doesn't seem very outlaw tbh lol

[arctic hare]

Seems like its kinda sub

[full tendon]

Teleporting all over lol

[slow marsh]

I mean kill outlaw and bring back combat then

[full tendon]

Get a rapier mog and be a blue race, and you're Nightcrawler

[arctic hare]

lol

Who?

Too google, brb

[slow marsh]

Xmen

[full tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/night-crawler-xmen-gif-8441503

[arctic hare]

Oh, okay, i recognize him now

Never knew that was his name though

[slow marsh]

Though it doesn't make any sense that outlaw can killing spree but not shadow step

[arctic hare]

The hook should be an extra movement ability for everyone!

[full tendon]

Anyone pulling 10k+ in non-NW 20+ dungeons?

[arctic hare]

Well, for all specs of rogue!

[full tendon]

Overall, I mean

Was so close in a Mists last week, 9.7

[arctic hare]

Nope, whats a 20+

lol

[full tendon]

+20 Mythic plus

[arctic hare]

I know

[full tendon]

Oh

[slow marsh]

I did 10.4 or something in a 16 NW and didn't use any weapons

[grand ridge]

Your dps also depends on how big the tanks are pulling, and how much nuke the other 2 dps have

[arctic hare]

Just saying that I’ve never seen it before, rather, I’ve never seen what its like

[full tendon]

Yeah, but around 15s you can do some stupid ass pulls to make it happen lol

[slow marsh]

Overall isn't a big deal as long as you're not behind everyone else. It's largely dependant on your pulls and stuff

[full tendon]

Was just curious, wa spleased with my overall there

Two other burst mfers and I'm toast

[grand ridge]

Often I'll lose on aoe to the fury/mm but pull ahead so much in st that I win in overall. That's just my experience though

[slow marsh]

Yeah I kept up with Necro monk in overall. Was happy about that. Rogues are just really consistent or they should be

[oak moth]

is it normal to switch outlaw for m+ cause i feel overwhelmed with dot management lol

[grand ridge]

Frost what legendary are you running as assassination in keys?

[slow marsh]

Kinda yeah

[full tendon]

Outlaw is [better] in keys, I just suck at it, I think

[halcyon zealot]

sub probably best if you’re feeling overwhelmed

2 button go brrr

[slow marsh]

Outlaw is better in general tbh but sin will always be ole faithful

[full tendon]

Why does sub get two shadowsteps 😦

Because we can dot?

[slow marsh]

Spec identity

[full tendon]

I want a shorter cd dash or somethin, lol

[slow marsh]

Play warrior

[full tendon]

Or the outlaw talent hit and run

[grand ridge]

I play assassination in keys because I enjoy it more and the difference isn't that big

[full tendon]

I do play warrior

[slow marsh]

Makes sense

[full tendon]

Windwalker, sin, arms, survival, feral, havoc

[cobalt hemlock]

hey can anyone tell me what im doing wrong with the winds of Winter? the above is mine rank 4 winds and the below is some top rogue i found on warcraft logs and i just dont understand how its such a massive difference

[harsh lantern]

Troll or no?

[cobalt hemlock]

no troll

[halcyon zealot]

it’s a passive effect you can’t be doing anything “wrong” with it

[harsh lantern]

comparing less than max rank legendary to a “top rogue”

[halcyon zealot]

you might just have way less crit

[harsh lantern]

Seems about right

[halcyon zealot]

also yeah, compare to someone closer to your skill/gear level

[harsh lantern]

or effect sorry not legendary

[limber lion]

Lol

You're comparing r4 and r5 frost sets

and someone with probably close to bis gear with massive amounts of crit and close to bis trinkets

like

idk

[harsh lantern]

^

just get some op gear

And it’ll pump

[cobalt hemlock]

yeah but i want to know what can i do to come little closer because i have seen even normal rogues have their winds as top dmg

[limber lion]

Yes

by upgrading your frost to rank 5

and getting better gear

that's it

[cobalt hemlock]

alright

thanks

[grand ridge]

Dashing will also increase winds damage

[pure walrus]

hey guys, does cloak make you immune for the guardian soak on mythic?

[wintry mica]

you can soak the obliterate without taking damage yes

[red plaza]

You're most likely soaking both obliterates as well so make sure you use cloak with like a second left before the first obliterate lands so it'll overlap with the second one

[grand ridge]

Feint helps too

[viscid spear]

I want 9.1.5 to come so I can craft all the leggos I could possibly need

[alpine latch]

I see you're a masochist who wants to farm Torghast and pay lots of gold

[scenic root]

You don't have 10 Legos sitting in your bag collecting dust when you used to main outlaw? Just me?

[alpine latch]

Only a r4 Celerity ring

lol

[scenic root]

Celerity, MA ring, MA wrists when I did sub pvp in 9.0. Akali helm, and now all the sin legos

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I don't have those.

[grand ridge]

I have doom and dashing at 252 and I've been too lazy to do any more torghast .. I think this patch is going to give me an opportunity to just go in and destroy like 8 torghast runs in one go and get what I need

[steep gust]

Hey - can someone please tell me if i am running my sims correctly? I know my IQD is higher ilvl but i assumed the guardian trinket would out sim it. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jeEdre3i4kYnyxSaq3pQby

[alpine latch]

You're definitely running it correctly. Your sim just wants more crit

[steep gust]

Thank you.... So at a certain crit % does IQD get worse?

[alpine latch]

no clue

[balmy condor]

as you get more stats, IQD giving stats is just naturally less valuable

if you have 10% crit, and I offered you 20%

you'd be like wow 20% crit

if you have 45% crit, and I offered you 18%

little less appealing isn't it

[grand ridge]

iqd is simming slightly higher in this case though

[steep gust]

gotchu.... i guess iassumed with 44% crit IQD would start to lose value already

[balmy condor]

yeh

it'll lose eventually

but we haven't hit that point

[grand ridge]

I think if you look at parses, that amplifier trinket is good, but it isn't like super amazing like phial

[spice spire]

So what you’re saying is

IQD doesn’t scale

[grand ridge]

the eye trinket even beats it out on cleave and aoe bosses

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

[steep gust]

i guess i was basing it off logs as well.... i notice alot of rogues commonly use the guard trinket over IQD

just assumed IQD wasnt a good trinket

[grand ridge]

tbh, the difference in dps vs the amount of effort IQD takes I'd just run the amplifier

you could macro amplifier to mutilate and get most of its use, IQD not so much

just my opinion

[scenic root]

Assume that 1/4 casts of IQD won't be stats and value of it drops

[spice spire]

Like whispyr said, as you get to the higher echelon of logs, IQD loses a bit of potency as they’ll have more crit. And +18% at 45% crit is way less valuable than +20% at 10% crit.

[balmy condor]

why would you assume 1/4th of them won't be stats

:/

[scenic root]

Healer oom late into fight

[grand ridge]

you can get a weak aura that will show what buff you will get

[balmy condor]

25% fail rate

is actually fucking lunacy levels

[scenic root]

Assume the worst hope for best? It was an arbitrary % to give a use case example. I'm not TC :/

[obtuse ruin]

Will 9.1.5 have new raid?

[grand ridge]

sanctum of domination, but slightly less shitty

(no)

[pseudo hamlet]

No. 9.2 probably will.

[clever kindle]

If anything I think we don't get a mini raid like the past few expansions this time around from Covid delays

Maybe no 2-3 boss raid but hopefully full normal raids

[balmy condor]

it's closer to like 1/30

:/

[lavish grove]

Does Soulrender parse count brand damage?

[slow marsh]

Did someone say crit scratches neck

[balmy condor]

no

[ebon notch]

oh damn i actually didnt know that

does it have the disclaimer at the top of the log?

[oak sky]

doesnt count my amp

[balmy condor]

it's environmental damage

[oak sky]

i need more pad on that fight

MORE

[slow marsh]

Same

[clever kindle]

Has anyone else had the suspicion bleeds keep damaging orbs on remnant fight after they die

or go friendly rather

[wintry mica]

I haven't noticed anything like that

[shrewd helm]

Is 8% haste too low for dashing scoundrel Venthyr frost?

[wintry mica]

but I also wasnt specifically watching for it

[oak sky]

no idea im too lazy to bleed the balls usually

[clever kindle]

It just seems odd how far my damage swings in different directions based on if I get even a tiny rupture into the orbs

[slow marsh]

What does your sim say

[clever kindle]

I dont care if its doing actual damage or not but if it crits that would be neat

[wintry mica]

if it crits without doing damage it doesnt do anything though

[shrewd helm]

I haven’t simmed stat weights but I’m running 42% crit

[oak sky]

sim top gear

[wintry mica]

the only benefit you would have would be the energy regen but i havent noticed any extra energy regen after the balls are "dead"

[slow marsh]

Don't sim stat weights

[balmy condor]

"kinda"

[slow marsh]

Yeah top gear only

[balmy condor]

it doesn't give resets and stuff

cause it doesn't die

[clever kindle]

Right it just felt like energy ticks maybe

[balmy condor]

nah

energy ticks are a noper

[clever kindle]

idk then

[wintry mica]

thatd be the ultimate pad

dot the balls and have no one pick them up

[oak sky]

then die from raid damage

lol

[wintry mica]

yea lmao

its not really padding if you arent risking wiping the raid right

[grand ridge]

I compared one of my builds with 45 crit which was the most I could squeeze out of my gear with slightly less haste and it ended up being less dps than the slightly more haste set. I'm not sure what the ratio is but you do want some haste

[wintry mica]

you want whatever top gear tells you

[grand ridge]

Yes this

[clever kindle]

I just dot them because healing seems to be our struggle on that fight with our healing setup

So

Rather just kill the boss and move on

and the balls were living too long

[wintry mica]

but yea im at 45% crit and a 252 fat haste ring is simming close to my sylv ring

[grand ridge]

I'm also not super geared :(

[wintry mica]

I just bleed whichever ball is closest to the boss and then go back to funneling

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor you still get energy ticks while the ball is damage reduced right?

[oak sky]

i have 44% but i have that eye trinket and im above 20% haste

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak sky]

it all depends on your individual gear

[wintry mica]

yea just not when it "dies"

[balmy condor]

I'm looking into you get ticks when it's friendly

which it doesn't seem like

[wintry mica]

might be able to see it on log, I dont know if you can sort venomous wounds by target though

[loud onyx]

When trying to get a Sylvanas dagger, who did you all make a sacrifice to?

[slow marsh]

I prayed to Mike Ybarra and it didn't work so idk

[ebon notch]

i sacrificed my venth boomie and even that didnt work

[slow marsh]

I threatened swapping to FFXIV full time and that didn't work either

[wintry mica]

lol

I dno I started playing a bit of ff14 last week and got a 252 dominas out of the vault

[slow marsh]

So idk I guess we'll see what happens this weekend for me

[oak sky]

i leveled a monk and that worked

[loud onyx]

Like I have a priest healer as well, I can lifegrip people off edges if needed

[wintry mica]

you gotta sac people during trash throughout the night

tricks them with the mawsworn sword

[loud onyx]

I have noticed if I tricks and then SBS on pull it says that the target pulled, not me. Hmm

[clever kindle]

well its 100% threat transfer

the weakauras/addons just use a threat list I believe

[strange python]

Heyo, after simming myself like 25+ times with both rank 5 frost and unholy gems, it seems like unholy always comes up on top, make me think that there is a certain crit breakpoint such that the gain to swap is greater? And yes im using nightly, and patchwork.

[slow marsh]

Always tricks the hunter and wait for hunter to pull first

Cancel their md

[shrewd helm]

What’s your crit at?

[slow marsh]

What ilvl are you

[strange python]

36% atm, ilvl 244

[slow marsh]

Your actual crit % doesn't matter as much as your overall gear

[shrewd helm]

My gear atm is 237.

[clever kindle]

its always a boomkin .5 seconds before the actual pull timer anyways

[loud onyx]

It really is, casting a wrath with 3 or 2 secs on timer

[wintry mica]

its so easy to do the boomie opener without pulling early

but i dont blame them since someone else pulling early really fucks you

[wary hatch]

hey guys, what is best legendary for m+ atm?

[wintry mica]

zoldyck

[slow marsh]

Toxic blade

[rotund drift]

zoldyck on trousers with crit mastery

[grand ridge]

Thankfully not as much as it used to with the potion change

[wary hatch]

ok ty

[loud onyx]

Related to above, do you want to still stack crit past the soft DR at 25%?

[oak sky]

you stack it as far as the sim says

[rotund drift]

im on 41% atm

[wintry mica]

you want to stack crit until the sim tells you to stop

i have 45.5% unbuffed right now lol

[strange python]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/malfurion/sakurai

[rotund drift]

big dick energy

[shrewd helm]

If you’re running frost yes.

[slow marsh]

Do whatever your sims say

[strange python]

ok so its def have to be crit stacking to the highest degree then

[slow marsh]

Which is likely stack crit to the moon

[shrewd helm]

You need close to 40

[slow marsh]

But you need AGI and haste still

[loud onyx]

Ah ok, I need to get back into using sims more again. I am using frost so it works

[wintry mica]

it seems like most people end up in the 40-45% range before you even get close to valuing another stat higher

[slow marsh]

There's no magic number despite what people like to say

[rotund drift]

i mean high crit is for m+ good aswell

[strange python]

it is but, but outlaw has gouge that i like to use for utility for m+

[loud onyx]

I just got over 1000 crit rating, so I was curious.

[wintry mica]

can one of yall do me a favor and go buy my boe from the AH

[oak sky]

you got another one?

[slow marsh]

You're horde tho

[wintry mica]

yea

another set of pants lmao

[oak sky]

unreal

1mil haver

[strange python]

but pants has mastery, yuk

[slow marsh]

Pants are only like 20-30 dps up for me so meh

[wintry mica]

yea same for me

[slow marsh]

It has mega crit

[wintry mica]

500k gold> 30 dps

[oak sky]

they were like 70 for me before but crit is starting to have less value for me now

[wintry mica]

yea I simmed em when i got the first drop like a week ago

theyll just get replaced with the painsmith legs though

[oak sky]

or kt

[slow marsh]

Ye my outlaw uses my heroic kt pants and sin uses heroic pain

Kinda weird but that's why we use top gear instead of feelycraft

[wintry mica]

yea, although I do feelcraft occasionally

like im not puttin on this haste mastery ring even if its very slightly ahead of my sylv ring

cause my big crit number

[balmy condor]

aighty

infinite cringe later

[lavish grove]

any youtube channel you guys recommend going over mythic raid fights as a rogue? I feel like i am not understanding some bosses correctly

[balmy condor]

@ebon notch @clever kindle @wintry mica and whoever else

[lavish grove]

I got a 9 parse on soulrender and thought i did everything perfect so yeah

😄

[ebon notch]

tyty

im pretty sure i felt it but i didnt want to feelycraft

[balmy condor]

yeh

orb no give energy after dying

[wintry mica]

that was a much smarter way of looking at the logs than what I was doing lmao

[ebon notch]

yeah noticed that was just conrned about the ticks

still cringe it doesnt count

[balmy condor]

yeh looks like everything still exists on it

but it doesn't do anything

[wintry mica]

yea, pretty weird

[balmy condor]

:P I've also done this plenty of times with sims and shit

[wintry mica]

I don't know why I forget timeline exists

its so useful

or events**

[raven vapor]

question: what should i be doing on Ner'zhul orbs? just dotting one up or dotting them all?

[wintry mica]

i just dot the closest one to the boss, dont think its worth running around

[oak sky]

yup

[raven vapor]

do you pre dot before the suffering or after?

[wintry mica]

as soon as it spawns

you want the energy regen mainly

[slow marsh]

Dot what you can but don't go out of your way

Like a singular garrote + rupture is fine when it first spawns then get right back on boss

[unborn eagle]

i thought with necro bonesmith was the go to but if u do the sim numbers emeni is 2 higher than him

[wintry mica]

2 dps is nothing though

[unborn eagle]

just wondering why people were pushing that info out

[slow marsh]

Cuz just because its better for you by 2 dps doesn't mean it's best

[wintry mica]

that too

margin of error on a 10k sim is usually 5-10 dps also

[slow marsh]

That's why everything is always prefaced with sim yourself

The stuff pinned is with bis setups and is what you can work towards, doesn't mean it stays best along the way and most of the time doesn't

[unborn eagle]

all the posts says that bonesmith is best but if u run the numbers it isnt

[wintry mica]

like for some reason OBE outsims my dashing with r5 frost but you still recommend people go dashing

[slow marsh]

Because it is the best

[raven vapor]

are you ST'ing the orb or switching back to the boss after dotting?

[wintry mica]

just dot the orb and use the extra energy to funnel the boss

unless your group really really needs orb damage for some reason

[unborn eagle]

just tunnel

[raven vapor]

cool thanks

[clever kindle]

Thanks for checking, was just curious, I was trying to compare energy regen from vim but its hard when you're looking at logs from fights that are various lengths and can also be affected by if you get bombs or not

[wild hill]

for arena

assa better now?

[gusty mirage]

#pvp would be a better place to check out. We’re mostly pve andys in here

[wild hill]

@gusty mirage ty

[gusty mirage]

[slow marsh]

Remember when pvp was the best way to gear last patch

I don't miss it one bit

[wild hill]

@slow marsh what is best way to gear now

?

[slow marsh]

Heroic carries xD

[wild hill]

raids?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[hollow river]

Basically you’re saying bone smith and emeni are dps neutral for you. This is not the same for everyone. Bonesmith also gives you a set playstyle for dumping your SBS.

Obviously, things can be different for anyone depending on gear. The general rule of thumb is bonesmith though.

[drowsy parcel]

i play bonesmith for tarragrue remnant guardian

marileth for everything else

kevin gang

[slow marsh]

I just want to say, this spec channel is the best

[unborn eagle]

I'm just doing the math from wowhead also using bonesmith cheat death goes away

[alpine latch]

No it doesn’t. You still proc Cheat Death.

[fleet atlas]

I played sub then outlaw then sin and this is definitely my favorite channel. Not that there is anything wrong with the other ones

[unborn eagle]

The use goes away

[halcyon zealot]

this channel is pretty cozy most of the time

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

Biggest downside to playing outlaw is having to unmute outlaw channel tbh

[wintry mica]

[unborn eagle]

Sin only real rogue spec till they bring back combat daggers

[slow marsh]

Lmfao let's not be delusional

[unborn eagle]

Dont crush my dreams please

[slow marsh]

I mean sin is pretty much exactly combat daggers but better

Esp atm

Stack mega crit

Keep dots up and slice up

The only change is envenom for actual damage instead of baby evis's

[frosty bridge]

Wish i could go back a month and make a frost set instead of unholy :3

Really feel like blasting as sin but i am stuck with unholy on sub

[unborn eagle]

Ya I missed window also

[wintry mica]

unholy still pumps

[cursive chasm]

hey guys, can u tell me, why im deal soo low dmg? https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q36Y4gnjwBCXpNr7/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=2

[unborn eagle]

Hard to tell to be honest boss up time mechs time all depends

[wintry mica]

your opener is also pretty far off

[unborn eagle]

Doing 9k all night no mechanics kill pull got the chains twice did 7k

[halcyon zealot]

3 vendettas and only 2 vanishes is an eye catcher also,

[ebon notch]

you have one shard in LMAO

no set

[drowsy parcel]

opener off, less than 95% uptime on garrote rupture, no dom set

read some guides

[wintry mica]

also dont run triple potency nadjia

[cursive chasm]

ok thank u guys 🙂

[unborn eagle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mXCLxFacntZP6yRT#fight=68&type=damage-done

When chains happen 7.5k the rest of the pulls close to 9k

[wind totem]

Why would chains reduce your damage in the slightest? The hitbox is insane. You can safely go backwards and still do your full rotation.

[hollow river]

Um. Wut?

[unborn eagle]

Running away so dont fall off

[wintry mica]

you should be able to stay in melee range while running away

[zinc frost]

Yeah melee range is huge on that boss

[wind totem]

The hitbox on The Eye is absolutely massive.

[wintry mica]

its why I never shroud pre pull

people will walk up and not realize they are inside the bosses hitbox and pul lit

[wind totem]

I have problems on my warrior on that boss when Im trying to charge cuz it always says im too close.

[unborn eagle]

Not enough people in to back pedal

[wintry mica]

strafe dont backpedal

you might miss some hits if you turn too much but its better than no uptime

[unborn eagle]

Pissed me off cause I was destroying the pi ed mm hunter

[wintry mica]

it was probably because of phasing the boss I assume, but you also missed a vendetta/vanish cast

[wind totem]

Yeah on that boss you just use everything on cds even if its on the adds.

They live long enough so its fine

[wintry mica]

you delayed third vendetta a bit for whatever reason and it means you missed a 4th since the fight was 6:34

[unborn eagle]

Ya saving cds for adds

[wintry mica]

yea if you guys are saving to avoid swapping during adds thats fine

[unborn eagle]

Ya in the chain window

[wintry mica]

but itll hurt the parse for sure

[hollow river]

I always keep CDs for boss

But RL said to

[wintry mica]

It depends on the situation

[unborn eagle]

We get pulled off boss because of adds

[wintry mica]

my side almost always has to slow dps for the other to catch up so I usually end up holding CDs for boss

[hollow river]

Yeah we don’t swap anymore

[wind totem]

Same. No point. You get like 6 stacks even without saving cds

no point to swap

[unborn eagle]

We never have swapped because waiting for adds and cd windows

[slow marsh]

jesus christ outlaw channel is cancer right now

[unborn eagle]

lmao i dont even go to it

[slow marsh]

yeah good idea

so toxic

like it's already toxic as is, then add them being pissed off about blade flurry not getting uncapped and it just goes to new heights

[spice spire]

better to let it lie

[slow marsh]

yeah i regret saying anything lol

[unborn eagle]

go post in there outlaw is not a real spec

[spice spire]

let's not be toxic too 😛

[slow marsh]

couldn't be me, i'm playing outlaw half the time now

[unborn eagle]

play what you enjoy imo

[pale plank]

How big for us having fan of knives and CT uncapped? I feel like blackpowder and shuriken is gonna be huge for sub

[unborn eagle]

i do +20 in as sin so whatever

[slow marsh]

for me its just a numbers game

it's pretty big tbh

[unborn eagle]

sub is now the top tier + spec anyways

[slow marsh]

uncapped fok is biggest change

because of how fok cp generation works

that's the biggest reason why sin feels so bad in aoe

[halcyon zealot]

CT change is nice too.

no longer have to re cast to hit extra targets with bleed

in big pulls

[spice spire]

didn't they also change fok and CT from 5-8 target DR?

[slow marsh]

yeah that's for sure big

[spice spire]

today*

[slow marsh]

yeah it was already 8 tho

[unborn eagle]

its 8

+8 is re4duced

[slow marsh]

they just didn't update the patch notes after capping everything to 5

[spice spire]

i thought initial notes had dr at 5, which was an initial hit loss

[slow marsh]

yeah the og post was 5 but as i suspected it wasn't intended that way

[unborn eagle]

always been 8

[spice spire]

ahhhh, they just fixed their wording

[slow marsh]

yeee

[pastel matrix]

Guys, how critical is it to have to use the frost domination set and with what legendary is the 15% critical to poisons or doomblade better?

[spice spire]

frpst very good, if you go frost you go dashing as well

[unborn eagle]

ya working on that now unholy and dps shards rank 5 2 frost ones rank 2 😦

[obtuse robin]

how does spinning crane kick get uncapped b4 blade furry does

lmao

jeez

[oak sky]

Outlaw channel is aids because theyre the only capped spec on current ptr AND now they changed other specs

But its fine

Ptr isnt over and outlaw will get changes

[obtuse robin]

hunters r also still capped

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

Pretty sure multishot is getting uncapped

And some survival stuff as well

Its just from a previous build

[obtuse robin]

thats like saying rogue got stuff cuz sin and sub got some stuff

[oak sky]

Its not thougj

[obtuse robin]

ok

[oak sky]

Not at all

Do i really have to go back and find where they changed it

[obtuse robin]

i guess mm hunters dont care about trick shots

which is the exampole thats been brought up along with bf

if they were gonna gert changed

[subtle gyro]

its SO bad atm

[obtuse robin]

i mean if they can do sck then outlaw is getting their turn soon

[oak sky]

Beast Cleave,  Multi-Shot,  Barrage,  Explosive Shot,  Carve, and  Butchery are now soft capped at 5 targets

Each spec at least has some abilities uncapped for hunter

[slow marsh]

yeah outlaw will get something they just can't use their brains right now to understand that

[obtuse robin]

i spent 2 min in that ch they losing they shit

[oak sky]

You are correct about trick shots though

[obtuse robin]

its coming tho

[oak sky]

They just arent fully uncapped

But partially uncapped is better than what outlaw has atm so

[slow marsh]

I am still thinking it's possible they are reworking blade flurry or something and that's why its taking longer

[oak sky]

Could be

[slow marsh]

it's obviously more intricate than just uncapping blade past 5

blizz devs are pretty sus but surely if it were that simple they would've already done it

[obtuse robin]

i mean sure but you would assume sin would of taken longer cuz its harder to balance for uncap

[oak sky]

Not really

[slow marsh]

sin is already built in

it's capped at 8 like the rest of the aoe things so just uncap after 8

[unborn eagle]

if they help outlaw in anyway sin in keys is just as bad

[slow marsh]

na i think sin is sleeper rn

because of interactions with zold + poisons + Ct

[obtuse robin]

so blizz already has deadly poison dot dmg and ct dot dmg scaling with uncapped targets?

[unborn eagle]

would like to see sin do better than outlaw in some expasion

[obtuse robin]

but bf is harder to uncap?

[oak sky]

That isnt a problem tho

[slow marsh]

We will go the NS MfD build with zold

[obtuse robin]

doesnt make sense to me

[oak sky]

What

[wintry mica]

or MA instead of zold

[slow marsh]

i mean

[slow marsh]

yeah MA would be nutty but i think cuz of the cp gen on fok uncapped zold will be better

[wintry mica]

depends how quick a MA NS CT kills stuff i think

[slow marsh]

because of the sheer # of targets being affected by deadly + CT

true true

actually yeah that is quite fair because of other things also getting uncapped

[wintry mica]

itll be cool if its actually viable though

[slow marsh]

stuff will die faster so MA will be pog

either way we will use NS > Subt for sure

[oak sky]

Utility

[obtuse robin]

oh shit new changed to kt

[unborn eagle]

the silence to group mobs is pretty great though

[wintry mica]

oh shit

that kt change

[obtuse robin]

cd's reset after every Phylactery Phase

[wintry mica]

is lit

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[oak sky]

The real question is if this can make the boss fun

[wintry mica]

no more stop dps at least

[balmy condor]

[wintry mica]

he forgot to mention you take exsang too

[slow marsh]

how is that cring -_-

[gusty mirage]

Make them stop

[halcyon zealot]

speaking of MfD

the venth no-prepull MfD sim from last night tho

[balmy condor]

We’re not going to change builds because we do 15% more damage on 2 packs in a 40 minute damage

[slow marsh]

i mean it's not really changing builds, it's already the better build minus the utility

[oak sky]

Utility

[balmy condor]

Possible equal, usually less damage, with less utility

[oak sky]

In a fatty pull silences already have pretty good value for tank not dying

[balmy condor]

Does not make a better build

[drifting cloud]

its better because you dps on big packs will be above 20k!!

[balmy condor]

NS mfd isn’t noticeably better in any way other than bigger aoe for less single target and less utility

[oak sky]

It can already be 20k

[balmy condor]

So seems pretty questionable

[drifting cloud]

assa has dogshit talent rows expecting huge moves from swapping 2 talents

is very optimistic

[balmy condor]

I mean especially considering uncapped aoe does….not a lot

Ardenweald damage

Super cool

[drifting cloud]

yeah not every dungeon will be ardenweld

[wintry mica]

i would go so far as to say most dungeons wont be lol

[drifting cloud]

people pushing highest keys are alrady pushing all the boundaries anyways

[dawn ivy]

the dungeons are also kinda designed around most groups not being capable of juggling a ton of mobs

[drifting cloud]

uncapped is just gonna make you do more dmg so you can go X lvls higher

but it wont change 95% of the pulls

[dawn ivy]

MDI groups can easily pull 6 packs together and slam aoe while also controlling 5-6 kicks

but normal groups can barley do 2 packs at a time

[drifting cloud]

mdi groups have unlimited tries

and are on 20 keys

[dawn ivy]

exactly

[drifting cloud]

youre not gonna do that on 26

[balmy condor]

Oh and when you pull the bugs at the end of mists you might be able to hit the tiny guys before they die in 2 seconds

[oak sky]

Everything will do more damage except fully uncapped classes, which should add some variety

[dawn ivy]

the best we can hope for is maybe an aoe fight where we dont feel totally worthless on

[oak sky]

Its just a fun change

Basically

[dawn ivy]

they can design a hivemind fight again

and not have EVERY class hate their existence

[drifting cloud]

my friend was telling me that in some mdi pulls people would literally hold cds depending if monk got procs

1st pull of spires for example

[dawn ivy]

yup

[oak sky]

Chi ji procs are so busted

[drifting cloud]

just because the keys are too low lvl

but when youre pushing youre not doing that

[oak sky]

I was level 50 and i could pull 5k dps on mop dungeon packs

Or level 49

Whatever

Before my timewalking ended

[drifting cloud]

its just gonna make mid levels keys even easier, and the highest level keys arent even about dmg alot of the time

whats even funnier is next patch if they scale 30% or whatever they usually do

15s are just gonna be a total joke from the start

[oak sky]

You mean 9.2?

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[oak sky]

Tier sets too

[drifting cloud]

no but I mean start of patch

[oak sky]

Oh yeah

For sure

[drifting cloud]

when youre still doing keys in literal previous patch gear

because I find it hard to imagine they would increase the dungeon lvl required for max vault reward

[wintry mica]

its more likely that they would scale the difficulty up more aggressively

[drifting cloud]

its possible but they havent done that before iirc

they scaling % were incerase between expansions not between patches I believe?

I mean theres alot of stuff they will have to do, just think sylvn dagger for sub

if they dont disable the effect its just bis next patch

unless they make a new weapon with even better effect

its literally x5 worse than the fish axe or whatever it was

[frosty bridge]

Fish axe lol

[drifting cloud]

it was an axe it dropped from a fish seems close enough

[frosty bridge]

Divers folly

[stray mural]

CT bleed scaling hasn’t been touched if I read that correctly

That makes me so happy

[loud mason]

When running zoldyck with crimson tempest on m+, do i use crimson tempest on single target (outside of shiv) ?

[dawn ivy]

well yeah

the only time you dont use crimson tempest outside of shiv is when youre running dashing scoundrel

when envenom is just a better button to push at all times (in st)

[loud mason]

Alrighty thanks

[stray mural]

Yeah, I have learned that it is important to let Crimson tempest fall off if you are in the middle of a window or you are actively preparing to enter one.

In single target it feels like you’re casting envenom twice before rupture and CT

[brazen zodiac]

@obtuse robin hia

[cursive sparrow]

for Mythic sylv, I saw the top players are using doom+crimson tempest

the reason to carry doom is just because crimson can increase envenom's dmg?

and the top1 rogue only cast crimson 4 times in P3, with doom lego, out of my understanding xd

[obtuse robin]

HEY

[full tide]

A lot of that can be attributed to Necro players and people who got CE before Frost + Dashing was discovered/shards were leveled

at least to why it was played so much

[brazen zodiac]

bouta slap some fat sockets on my m+ gear woooo

[full tide]

I think it was Seli who said he played CT on Sylv because it made P1 and P2 more consistent

[cursive sparrow]

it's hard to say, because I go forest when I was lv4 unholy, and I reach lv5 frost the week before last week

[full tide]

While being Necro where you realistically run Doomblade anyway (dashing pulls ahead but you need very good gear for dashing to pull ahead)

Yeah

I got rank 5 frost last reset after having rank 4 unholy

from before Frost was BiS

[cursive sparrow]

thats make sense, cause my simc is pretty tricky, i'll post later

CT+doom seems like much better then I expect, but this combination has greater dmg on P1, especially we need stop on Sylv on P1

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/awdVTL9bdktNVDrf7ywPv9

[drowsy parcel]

ct is mostly unnecessary pad damage in p1 p2

[cursive sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oXR1mNa3FUmLNRjN7v8uBh

[drowsy parcel]

you should probably play pb doomblade if necro or dashing pb if venthyr

[full tide]

I'd agree but there's some argument to be made for you being more useful P1 and P2 with CT

it's more consistent

and was so more closer to the beginning of the tier

[cursive sparrow]

wait a minute, is this Kayl the same as the top2 assassination rogue on mythic sylv?xd

[drowsy parcel]

yes

[full tide]

when I eventually get there I plan to play PB + Dashing/ PB + Doomblade depending on what cov I am

I'm just relaying stuff I've heard

I don't have xp on the fight on Mythic

[oak sky]

to play the fight optimally pb definitely seems better

but for pad or if you struggle with chains or something ct makes sense

[oak moth]

ik its always higher ilvl in mainhand but is a 233 edge of night better in main or off if i got a 239 dagger as well

or should i just sim

[oak sky]

the effect still applies from offhand afaik

so higher ilvl mainhand should be better

but simming is always the safe way to go

[oak moth]

i was thinking that but sometimes blizz likes to be fucky and didnt know if there was something i didnt read with its effect

[gloomy knoll]

ct sylv is for parsing

is mostly just pad

[drowsy parcel]

its not even good pad

but i agree, its pad

[gloomy knoll]

yea it's lame

lol

[arctic hare]

Sweet, fan of knives gets reduced dmg past 8 targets now

[half tartan]

For the sylvanas transition immunity, do you have to cloak exactly as the arrow targets, or can you just cloak with plenty of time left?

[stray mural]

Uncapped poison applications is more important tbh

[arctic hare]

Even so!

Still nice, will be smoother in aoe

[latent stream]

just do it 1,5 or 1 sec before

[brazen zodiac]

weird question what talents would yall recommend in choreghast if ur soloing it

[oak sky]

ep vigor ma ct is what i usually go

[latent stream]

leeching poison

[brazen zodiac]

would u go with same m+ set up with mastery and shit?

[latent stream]

I woud say go with m+ setup

Subterfudge has some nice interaction with the 150% generator anima power that is pertty common

but add leeching poison instead of cheat death

[lost mist]

swap to subtlety and get every common finisher>filler power (name and icon contains a "chain")

[brazen zodiac]

i dont play subtly but uh thanks for the advice i guess

[wintry mica]

the chain power is pretty op still for sin too

just get 3 of it and then forget about CP and do builder->finisher repeat

[brazen zodiac]

i noticed a lot of the common ones are pretty strong

hi woospyr

[balmy condor]

Imagine coming into a channel, responding to a question about talents and just going “yeah play other spec”

[spice spire]

Yo just play guardian Druid

[balmy condor]

I have one of those

[lost mist]

you don't have to imagine, i can make it real

[balmy condor]

Oh I know you can

I witnessed it with my own eyes

It’s just hard to imagine how you decided to do that

[brazen zodiac]

we all bare witness to such a tragedy

woospyr i got into a 5/10 guild :D

after the bullshit my guild pulled >.<

[balmy condor]

I’m sorry to hear that

[lost mist]

it is? i don't think so haha was a joke/not joke, really u can go torghast 99999 points as subt with those common powers, but if u still want to play sin, then u can pick that power too and do it with 99998

[balmy condor]

Now you have to do painsmith

[latent stream]

Btw if you're venthyr I find obediance to be very nice in there even as assa since its pretty common to get a flag anima power and its nice for the bigg pulls

[brazen zodiac]

wh-what

[drifting cloud]

go outlaw like whispyr

[oak sky]

dude that was so funny

whispyr on outlaw for painer

[lost mist]

my dude, just pick those chain powers and melt down torghast

[balmy condor]

Stop dps hellLllLlLloOOOOooooo Oo off the boss????¿

[brazen zodiac]

i get what u said

it just sounded stupid as fuck

[spice spire]

No one is safe from the bones

[drifting cloud]

why are you even stopping in p1

does it even do anything

[balmy condor]

Healer cooldowns or something

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

Disc priest complaining he doesn’t have things for traps in p2 or whatever

[slow marsh]

ah yes healer cds

[drifting cloud]

like we have to stop in p2 because he pushes during ball+spikes coming

but p1 you just go ??

[slow marsh]

cuz that will help stop people from getting 1 shot in intermission

[balmy condor]

Dude it’s insane

[lost mist]

language barriers, i can't speak naturally

[balmy condor]

We were stopping dps

And the healers were complaining that there’s nothing to heal

[drifting cloud]

in p1 we always push during that ball set without killing the ball

[balmy condor]

But then they also complain that they don’t have CDs so we have to stop dps

But then they’re also the ones dying every pull

?????

[drifting cloud]

aslong as you can beat that 4th hammer stopping just seems weird

[cursive silo]

Dps stop legit made me want to stop playing in half a raid night

[drifting cloud]

like were in p2 and my vendetta is still on cd for 5s when boss jumps down

[slow marsh]

yeah people wipe cuz intermission / 1 shot, they dont die due to no heals

[drowsy parcel]

we stopped holding on painsmith

just full send

its actually such a fun boss now

[drifting cloud]

you never that the p2 ball+spikes+intermission wipe kayl?

maybe youre always beating the balls then its not bad

[drowsy parcel]

we beat it mostly if everyone is alive

but you can play around it even if you get it

[drifting cloud]

you can but on 1-2 corners of balls

theres just no way everyone lives

[drowsy parcel]

hmm idk i dont think ive had it then

ive never had 2 ball spawns overlap

[drifting cloud]

ill show you a replay

[oak sky]

@ebon notch

[drifting cloud]

hmm seems like theres no vod from tonight

basically if the balls spawn from the west and you push boss same time you have to go threw the ball gap but same time spikes are already coming for you from the north

and if the raid was in the northwest corner before that ball spawn its just a wipe

[drowsy parcel]

ye depending on spawn i could see that being a problem lol

[drifting cloud]

yeah if they spawn north or south it doesnt matter

and ofc theres also spikes coming for you from southeast in this scenario at the exact same time

the tank spikes

[drowsy parcel]

i looked at the log, we beat that timing with a guy dead half p2

doesnt seem that tight

[ebon notch]

jpcs chat is just rh LMAO

[oak sky]

actually true

[brazen zodiac]

i am now a proud owner of every dagger @obtuse robin

went from shit daggers to all m+ daggers lmfao. just need sylv now

[ebon notch]

im in a group for hc sylv

dagger now bet

[brazen zodiac]

fk yeah

[obtuse robin]

just get it already so when u run with me u can trade me

[halcyon zealot]

we did our last heroic skip this week and are extending/full mythic now and i never got the dagger

i cant imagine how bad h slyv pugs are, which im going to have to start doing weekly

[ebon notch]

EMBERS BOYS LETS FUCKING GO

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

@ebon notch gonna do it on normal lul

[stray mural]

Does assa fit better in a melee oriented comp or a magic oriented comp for m+

I feel like the answer is melee because of bleeds