assassination

[dim estuary]

LOL

[spice spire]

Based

[weary vale]

do u guys recommend me to play doomblade or Zoldyck Insignia if i mainly play m+

[spice spire]

If you mainly play m+ Zoldyck’s is better between the two; however, if you’re venthyr obedience can work for both

[halcyon zealot]

i feel like doomblade could be good in dungeons like ToP too if youre thinking on a dungeon to dungeon basis

since there are so many pulls with less than 4 targets, you mutilate a lot

they are all pretty close though imo

[weary vale]

okay. i was inactive on the char for a while. i still have a doomblade one crafted. iam necro tho. so i might look into crafting Zoldyck

[slow marsh]

This is overall all content

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/ZeDex01.png

anyone else getting crushed irl

[slow marsh]

Nice 1

[ebon notch]

imagine soaking every single add on fatescribe

yeah tank decided i needed to eat 2 obliterates

who knew

[fallen arch]

Sidestep

[slow marsh]

MAH PARSES

[ebon notch]

im standing on the marker, id rather die and he gets striked tbh

only a boost run

[fallen arch]

Y i guess

[slow marsh]

My parses are being taken over my some sword icon and I'm not sure why

[ebon notch]

show screenshot i am curious now

[obtuse robin]

LoL

[slow marsh]

Kinda weird idk how that happened

[umbral anchor]

Hello. Going to craft my first legendary. I am still confused on what to pick. Either Obidience or Dshing. I will do raids however i will do more m+. Any thoughts on what to craft first ?

[ebon notch]

[balmy condor]

Obedience

[umbral anchor]

Ok. Thx

[slow marsh]

I was gonna say that but I knew whisp radar got a ping already

[ebon notch]

he has a different discord for each channel

and a seperate screen also

hes just alt tabbing insta

watch

[late birch]

Just saw on mythic sylvanas a bunch of people running Doomblade and seems like its being paired up with CT

this just to pad?

[slow marsh]

No

[late birch]

People running dashing are using PB

[slow marsh]

Yeag

[ebon notch]

whisp ur a hacker

[balmy condor]

Mobile btw

[slow marsh]

A lot of mythic sylv kills were still using UH doomblade I think so it hasn't necessarily balanced out with the dashing frost

[slow marsh]

I'll show you mobile

[limber lion]

never play ct on sylvanas

[ebon notch]

mythic or heroic

[late birch]

Saw JPC play it on first kill too

[limber lion]

any difficulty

[ebon notch]

im sitting staring in front of her

[late birch]

and he was playing Theo and CT lol

[ebon notch]

but im 2nd highest sentinel damage ;-;

[limber lion]

tbf Theo was better than Nadja for a while.

[late birch]

ah

[balmy condor]

He also killed before dashing and frost were a thing

[late birch]

thast true too

[balmy condor]

Looking at the top 10 guilds for what to do when the meta has shifted

Kinda dumb

[ebon notch]

is it cause of boss dam p3

[subtle tundra]

its cause if you need add dmg you go sub 🙂

[limber lion]

1. You don't need CT in any phase of the fight.
2. It's a literal dead talent in P3 with Dashing.

[slow marsh]

Even the adds are ST prio for the most part so it just doesn't make sense unless you're just trying to pad or look better on meters

[limber lion]

You literally don't need CT for anything

You press it twice in p1, sick

You press it 3 times in p2

sick

you press it 0 times in p3

mucho value

[subtle tundra]

hear me out

HIDDEN BLADES

[slow marsh]

TOP KEKS

[ebon notch]

nonon

POISON KATAR

[slow marsh]

And take exsang so your bleeds actually do damage to the adds before they die

[ebon notch]

get this man a community figures role

ive never felt more inspired

[limber lion]

To the adds?

Imagine an aoe exsanguinate

[ebon notch]

thats just vanishing with MA

lmao

[slow marsh]

Adds as in the st adds

Exsang refreshes when your target dies

Stonks

[slow marsh]

Aoe exsang with aoe cap removed

[limber lion]

Exsang is my favorite talent.

[fallen arch]

Same

[limber lion]

I'll be here waiting for a rework/buff to it.

[fallen arch]

Make it great again

[limber lion]

Gonna be a long wait.

[vestal wren]

i wonder how good exsang would be if it also applied to poisons

[sudden canyon]

was wathcing MDI rn the rogue on obey alliance shadowstepped meuhzala and just clipped through the platform causing them to lose the match.

thats gigga fucked

[vestal wren]

thats rip

i found that you rarely clip unless your target stands with the back to terrain

[thin trout]

yo guys, for mythic kel'thuzad, do rogues generally stay inside or outside?

for the intermission

[sudden canyon]

most go do remnant

dude how is this not worth a remake

[limber lion]

lul that's kinda

[halcyon zealot]

wow

that fucking blows

[sudden canyon]

im behind no spoilers but it caused them to lose the first game

[vestal wren]

oh no

[fallen arch]

Phylactery

So in

[vestal wren]

thats not shadowstep thats the shadowstrike teleportation

[fallen arch]

Burn

Thats what u get for playing sub

[rocky pecan]

in sin channel

[sudden canyon]

lol i thought this general mb

[balmy condor]

ah the memories of shadowstriking the target dummy in the legion order hall

[rocky pecan]

lol np dde xd

[vestal wren]

during legion you basically never be able to hit the boss first because you would always fall through the floor if you did

[balmy condor]

brings a tier to my eye

[thin trout]

yeah what I thought so, we just started Kel Thuzad and we are sending 2x boom 2x shadowpriest, but we have 1 assassin and 1x subtetly outside atm

[vestal wren]

did he trigger strike (the animation) before the dh attacked the target?

[fallen arch]

That sounds odd to me

[thin trout]

we have no clue so we're trying to figure out =p

[fallen arch]

Theres heavy movement there, why send boomies and priests

Send melee and hunters

[vestal wren]

that was usually the cause in legion, its just a wild guess

[fallen arch]

For pad its better to stay up tho

[thin trout]

we have: 2x Marksman, 2x Rouge, 2x frost mage, 1x ehnahcement, 2x shadpwiest, 1x warrior, 2x destruction and oh wait sorry 1 bomkin

[balmy condor]

boomy down is pretty normal I think

[halcyon zealot]

yeah

[balmy condor]

cause they just burn

[halcyon zealot]

boomkin destroys the remnant

[balmy condor]

I would send down the rogues, the enhance, and the boomkin

[sudden canyon]

also the DH attacked first

[thin trout]

oh apparantly we're sending in 5 dps even

[sudden canyon]

with glavie

[thin trout]

thanks

[balmy condor]

5th dps would probably be the warrior?

idk

no idea how good spriest is on phylac

[rocky pecan]

I wouldnt send enhance person aly

Due to kick CD and range kick or I'm wro'g?

[balmy condor]

enhance does nothing up top

[rocky pecan]

If you let lock and mage top with 20 sec CD on kick is hard no?

Idk BTW just asking

[fallen arch]

It does nothing anywhere is my experience

But supplying that sweet totem

[balmy condor]

yeh also true

[balmy condor]

they have hunters

don't need THAT many interupts

[fallen arch]

Hunters dont know interrupts wdym

Have you ever

Seen a hunter interrupt

[balmy condor]

yes

[thin trout]

think we will send the full melee team with 2x rogoue, enhancement, dh and warrior

[rocky pecan]

My hunter In guild kick but they don't misdirect ahaha

[fallen arch]

Then I’ve been lied to

[balmy condor]

misdirect kinda worthless anyway tbh

[oak sky]

Boomy has the starfall talent for movement too

[rocky pecan]

Idk on fates its cool

[balmy condor]

like dungeons

super sick

raid

just md on pull and then you're good to go forever

[limber lion]

Incorrect actually

For progression, many guilds chose to send boomies in

On farm where people are not necessarily playing their 3-4x druid setups, rogues are fine alternatives.

[rocky pecan]

Nf boomi or vent?

[limber lion]

Both are fine.

[slow marsh]

Either

[limber lion]

Venth obviously pumps a lot more and is harder to stop damage with

[slow marsh]

They do the same thing in different ways

[oak sky]

My guild has no boomers

[balmy condor]

sounds like a good guild

[fallen arch]

Then I found out today I’ve been lied to about more than one thing

[thin trout]

boomerz

[balmy condor]

we have 2-4 at any time

and we can't kill anything

[oak sky]

I definitely meant boomers not boomies

[balmy condor]

cause the boomy brain rot

[thin trout]

we had 1 boomer got a 2nd one now

[oak sky]

Nah but

We're on kt tho

[rocky pecan]

I'm a boomer...

[oak sky]

I mean i guess melee will just get sent down

[ebon notch]

i was forced to go in because my dps was consistent and one of our venth boomies kept fucking up their ramp

inconsistent dps

makes it impossible to kill the boss

you literally cannot kill it if you cant time ur shit

if ur boomies or someone else fucks up just volunteer to go in

and kill the boss cause the wipes arent worth it

[limber lion]

This is about what it looks like for us on reclears.

You could easily replace the hunter and me with a third boomie and be fine.

Boomies are insane there.

[rancid spade]

what was the code for sim all races?

[oak sky]

Should I just always cd boss @limber lion

[pure moth]

My group sends in melee only

[halcyon zealot]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t27-assassination

[limber lion]

Yes, unless if the boss is low hp and you need to hold dps of course.

[oak sky]

Ok

[limber lion]

I think I got coolies on the boss, then all coolies on Remnant, then coolies on boss, then Flag on Remnant

[oak sky]

Ok

[limber lion]

Then coolies on boss, nothing on remnant, and coolies in p4

[oak sky]

Sounds pretty similar to heroic early on

[limber lion]

Yeh

[shadow tusk]

depends if u hold or not right?

[limber lion]

Just need to be careful not to waste cooldowns just before a "STOP DPS" call is made.

[limber lion]

Yes.

[shadow tusk]

I had cds for all renmants excep the last

[oak sky]

And always ct

[limber lion]

I only used flag on the second one. We're forced to hold dps in anyways.

[oak sky]

Ty cev

[shadow tusk]

Yeah seemed like a waste actually

[limber lion]

Yeh

Just Vendetta the boss

It's usually pretty healthy in p2

It gets destroyed in p1 with all cooldowns

But people are using cooldowns in the intermission so p2 is quite a bit longer than p1

Well, not really because you hold dps on both phases

but yeah, boss' hp goes down a lot slower.

[ebon notch]

i had to save flag/vend for p3 intermission cause boomies couldnt ramp on it

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

was fun

[limber lion]

You shouldn't need to use

any cds

whatsoever

on it

It's 20%

[ebon notch]

yh

hold on

i get screenshot

[limber lion]

If you use cds, it's wasted.

Our boomies didn't do anything either

But that's fine

Because it's literally 50% of the hp

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/dYEFbma.png

this was p3 intermission

[limber lion]

?

what's wrong with it

[ebon notch]

thats where i used all my cds

we wouldnt kill it otherwise

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

i mean

[limber lion]

Here's my p3 and boomies p3 damage

dies fine.

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/kNkMWVS.png

[slow marsh]

It's only 20%

[ebon notch]

this is what he did in p4

idk im not in charge

jsut do what im told

[ebon notch]

was there just 3 of you?

[limber lion]

No

Hunter used his cds, didn't really need to either

[ebon notch]

i mean im the only one that can use cds there

[cobalt pelican]

you can get the last intermission remnant to like

16.5% from dots

[slow marsh]

251 ilvl /jizz

[cobalt pelican]

really don't need to do dam to it

[limber lion]

not worth

[ebon notch]

ok on farm ill try without

it ensured the kill either way so i didnt mind

[limber lion]

Using cds on last remnant is inting

you should be using them with lust in p4

no reason not to

[cobalt pelican]

for personal dmg ye but it literally matters 0% either way for progress as long as remnant dies in time

i don't think anyone has ever wiped to lack of last phase dps

in the history of mankind

[limber lion]

lol.

definitely not true.

[cobalt pelican]

how

[limber lion]

?

literally all the adds respawn instantly

and shit gets filled up

like if you take your sweet ass time slapping kt with no cooldowns

you'll wipe

[cobalt pelican]

idk what kinda cursed kills you've been in

sounds traumatic

[limber lion]

Hasn't happened to me

but you're acting like it's an impossibility

which is not the case

whatsoever

[cobalt pelican]

it basically is

[limber lion]

oki

[cobalt pelican]

we did very mediocre last phase damage and it lasts like

31 seconds

no 2nd ad set

room half empty

you would have to be like

down 3-4 people for it to be a possibility and the likelihood is you just don't get there with that many dead

[limber lion]

31 seconds

LUL

okidoki

insane blasters

everyone doing like 60k dps without cooldowns

damn

[cobalt pelican]

🙄

[limber lion]

but exactly

you described it perfectly

down 3-4 people

during progression

is not unheard of

you literally wasting your cds on remnant

for no reason whatsoever

is just dumb

it's like using cds on sylvanas p2 adds just because

if you wipe to remnant not dying in p3

then idk what to say

[slow marsh]

Yeah then the ret pal comes back and hojs a tank during tank swap and hammer of wrath's the shit out of you through cheat death

[cobalt pelican]

i think it's incredibly more likely to die to last remnant not dying because 1 moonkin dies

[slow marsh]

And that's just on heroic xD

[cobalt pelican]

than missing the last phase dmg check

[limber lion]

if someone is dead, then you of course play appropriately and use cooldowns

like what

but if everyone is alive, there is no reason to waste abilities like that

not sure how you can fail the damage check on remnant

[ebon notch]

how long were you in that last kt phase?

[limber lion]

remnant or kt?

[ebon notch]

remnant sry

[limber lion]

33s remnant

Here's me 10s+ afk during the last remnant

waow this damage check is so insane

[quasi venture]

@drowsy parcel your fucking rank 1 where the fuck do you find that extra 400 dps on pain xd i swear played pitch perfect https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TwRgjnZP2H7NVpDk/#fight=last&type=damage-done and i cant find that extra

[cobalt pelican]

having to afk on the remnant doesn't mean that you need cds for the last phase, idk what kind of mental gymnastics these are

there are kt kills spending 1min20 in last phase

[limber lion]

You don't

And I never said that

[cobalt pelican]

that's a 95k raid dps requirement

[limber lion]

I literally never ever

said that you need cds for the last phase

I said that it's dumb to use cds on remnant

because it's literally USELESS damage

[cobalt pelican]

but it's very possible you do need them on the remnant?

[limber lion]

using cds in the last phase is actually good, useful damage.

[cobalt pelican]

and it's literally not possible you need them in p3

[limber lion]

You literally never ever should need cds for remnant

if everyone is alive

if someones dead, go for it

[cobalt pelican]

but that's just not true

[limber lion]

slam those cds

[cobalt pelican]

what if your strat is

sin rogue solos it

?

[limber lion]

We don't have

anyone

using cds

everyone just slaps normally

[ebon notch]

we were in there for 40s and nobody stopped dps

[limber lion]

and it dies

like what

[ebon notch]

so idk

[limber lion]

you don't need to press all of your abilities

[ebon notch]

maybe we're bad

[limber lion]

every single spec in the game does 5k+ dps

without any cds

that's all you need

17k dps is all you need

and that's by everyone hitting the boss

and that's it

like idk how hard it is to understand

[cobalt pelican]

i mean there's literally a human example in chat of needing it rn

you don't need to keep throwing in passive aggressive teenage girl lines

[limber lion]

and I'm sorry if you're experiencing those issues

must be rough

[cobalt pelican]

🚶‍♂️

[limber lion]

idk what kind of traumatic kills you've been part of

sounds traumatic

[ebon notch]

we have one boomie doing less than 3k and another doing less than 4

[limber lion]

hopefully you get your strat down the next time you go there :)

[cobalt pelican]

🚶‍♀️

guess what i heard from the saunaboys is true

pz

[limber lion]

yeah, apparently we can use our brains

now we chilling.

[oak sky]

Wait what

[ebon notch]

xd

[oak sky]

Why would you cd the half remnant

[limber lion]

for the fuck of it

[oak sky]

When you can just hit the kill buttons

In lust

[ebon notch]

i mean i was told to first of all

im not gonna ignore rl

[oak sky]

Guess so

[ebon notch]

but also our damage is just low

lke our venth boomies just do jack shit

and then pulled 30k in p4

[frosty cedar]

can any knower explain how you MD properly on nerzhul

if you know

[oak sky]

The other remnants definitely make sense but the last one is half hp

[ebon notch]

no i dont pop cds on the other ones

our boomies ramp

and kill it

[oak sky]

Ok

[ebon notch]

just the last 20% is only me

so idk

[oak sky]

That sounds really weird

But a kill is a kill

[ebon notch]

i mean yeah

but i also linked the log

we were in there for 40s

and i only stopped dps at the end cause i couldnt reach the remnant

[limber lion]

your boomies did more than our boomies

[ebon notch]

but your damage distribution is skewed

your dh and ur hunter pumped it

im the only one pumping

[drowsy parcel]

@quasi venture secret kevin tech

[stuck knoll]

One person with movement on the outside the other on the inside facing out

[cobalt pelican]

they have an entire extra dps in compared to what most guilds do, that's why

you could probably rejuggle to have similar

or you could just cd it like you did and be fine

[drowsy parcel]

i spam sbs and envenoms on balls in intermission to keep up kevin and alacrity

the secret is out

[quasi venture]

ajajajajaj hasse

[halcyon zealot]

ethical ofc

[ebon notch]

and even then, sure its giga value for me to pop cds during lust in p4

but we have 3 venthyr boomies ramping there

like

[quasi venture]

actually 200 iq pad brain

[ebon notch]

that phase is over no matter what

[oak sky]

I guess

[ebon notch]

if you have say 2 venth boomies and a rogue + warrior

then 100% you dont need to use any cds

[limber lion]

and me and all of the boomies also went afk for 12s

[ebon notch]

yeah nobody held dps

on our side

and we were in for 40 seconds

so my cds were needed right?

[limber lion]

Yes

Of course you use cds there

if you're struggling

[ebon notch]

yh so its not trolling right

[limber lion]

No it's not

[ebon notch]

idk this conversation is weird

[limber lion]

Like I've been saying it all of this time

You should not have to use cds on Remnant and should be using them on the boss instead

If you need it on Remnant (because of low dps or someone's dead or whatever) then use them there

[ebon notch]

i mean nobody was dead

[limber lion]

but there is no reason to overkill the Remnant by using cds if it dies without them as well.

[ebon notch]

one of the boomies was nf

so i guess he normal convoked

[limber lion]

Where

Where is your dh/monk

[ebon notch]

monk is upstairs

didnt have dh because he got poached the day before we started kt prog

[limber lion]

one of them or both should come and hit remnant and leave

just for the buff

[ebon notch]

true

[oak sky]

5Head

[ebon notch]

i mean that should have been done on heroic even when it was being progged

i just dont remember if it happened with our monk

but we didnt have a dh so

[winter gale]

If I am assa/outlaw combo I should sign for the FC Necrolords?

Currently playing for Venthyrs and I am reading about Venthyr law not being that great comparing to the others

[ebon notch]

its fine for ST

but for m+ venth outlaw is not good

so depends on the content you want to do

[winter gale]

So I should go to the Necros

Since I do play m+ often

Not on some high lvl but I do 15-20 keys

[halcyon zealot]

"playing for venthyrs" tbh thats the best way ive ever seen someone say what covenant they are

[ebon notch]

tbh as long as you arent playing sub

you can go necro and lot lose much if any dps

for both assa and outlaw

[halcyon zealot]

yeah, venthyr is nice if you wanna dabble in each a bit

gives you the most options i would say

[winter gale]

Good, good

I will go for Necro

[halcyon zealot]

also just play whats more fun, youll do more damage if ur having fun

[winter gale]

I guess my playstyle mistakes are bigger difference thant dmg difference between necro and venthyr 😄

[lavish lichen]

Necro is much more engaging gameplay imo

Having fun is at-least 10% dps

[arctic hare]

Don't forget Transmog!

[wheat patio]

Is frost still best shards to use?

[limber lion]

Yes sir.

[woven summit]

Hey guys, is Zoldyck Insignia good for a casual overall use?

low level content of course, not min max

[echo geyser]

for aoe content yeah but not rly raid

[woven summit]

Yeah I see, thanks.

[quasi grotto]

evasion or feint for sunder on gaurdian ?

[echo geyser]

cloak

oh sunder

well its obliterate u soak

right?

[quasi venture]

ye

[echo geyser]

yeah sunder is for tanks afaik

[mighty bolt]

Guys, i actually have the R5 unholy set and planing to swap for frost as soon as posible, may i aim all critical strike on gear from now? i actually got a lot of haste

[quasi grotto]

oh for the soak mechanic for us thewn

its cloak ?

[echo geyser]

yes

[quasi grotto]

yikes ty i thoguht it was physical lel

[quasi venture]

arcane i think

[echo geyser]

its phys on main target (tank)

then split arcane on soakers

[arctic hare]

Good GOD

So thats the heroic Mechanic?

[quasi venture]

Gotta click cloak fairly late for double soak bcs its only 5 sec just a tip.

[echo geyser]

its on both hc and mythic

just mythic u usually have immune soakers setup

to soak 2 in a row

[arctic hare]

Still though

thats absolutely ridiculous

[echo geyser]

if u talkin about the numbers

its mythic

heres hc for u

scales ofc with amount of ppl

[arctic hare]

Wow

In mythic it gets even worse

that obliterate fails to hit at least 4 players is ridiculous

[mighty bolt]

boss in mm is a joke

our guild killed it on 11 trys after 200 on painsmith

[thorny pond]

Yea, it’s just a cloak it and forget it

[arctic hare]

Oh, hmm

[proper sage]

so if rupture is about to enter into pandemic and shiv is about to come off cd and youre at w.e. combopoints

that means you messed up somewhere beforehand right

or is that kind of a situation (where I assume you have to press shiv then rupture) sometimes inevitable

[limber lion]

Yes, you try to apply ruptures outside of Shiv windows by cleverly thinking of the pandemic timers.

But sometimes it is inevitable, and you would just refresh rupture during Shiv.

We don't care for the old "3 Envenoms in one Shiv window" anymore.

[proper sage]

i see

[limber lion]

The only thing that matters is that you press Shiv on cooldown as much as possible.

[proper sage]

okok ty

[rocky pecan]

Don't stress tho if you are on pandemic Ith rupture

You got some times

[proper sage]

do you desync flag and vendetta in m+

[limber lion]

Yes, press both on cooldown.

[proper sage]

okay

[limber lion]

You can hold either for important targets

But generally just slam them on cd.

[proper sage]

what about vanish

[limber lion]

If you're fighting a boss in 15 seconds, you probably don't want to use Vendetta on a trash mob that lives for 10s

[proper sage]

same thing?

[rocky pecan]

Oh ceverion you play with guardian trinket?

[limber lion]

Vanish should be used more defensively and for more utility.

It is not great damage in m+ and the bigger benefit comes from the triple silence and triple iron wire proc.

[limber lion]

In m+ or in raids?

In raids I play with the guardian trinket.

[proper sage]

do you not take subterfuge in m+?

[rocky pecan]

I got it today idk if I line up with flag for raid y

[limber lion]

You do.

[proper sage]

or is the damage

just not good okay i see

[limber lion]

But the damage is irrelevant

[proper sage]

makes sense

[limber lion]

The fact that garrote silences from stealth

and subterfuge allows for 3 garrotes

is the bigger part of it

if there's 1-3 important mobs that you need to interrupt, just exhaust your interrupts, then vanish gar/gar/gar for the silences and then you'll have your interrupts ready for the 3rd cast.

Vanish is just a 2 minute cooldown, so you can definitely use it quite liberally.

[proper sage]

yea for sure

tyty

[light oak]

on a two target fights do keep up rupture and garrote on both targets?

[balmy condor]

yes

[light oak]

ty

[quasi venture]

[balmy condor]

[quasi venture]

you raided today?

[balmy condor]

no

[quasi venture]

ripo

[balmy condor]

work in 30 min

[quasi venture]

how did painsmith go for you guys?

[balmy condor]

40% at the end of thursday

85 pulls

[quasi venture]

nice! its a kill soon then.

But you are playing sub on it right?

[gusty mirage]

I was told the same lie @balmy condor don't listen to them

[full tendon]

Am I making it up in my head that I often get 4 garrotes?

[quasi venture]

My honest opinion on the phases of painsmith is that after last intermission if succesful its the cakewalk of the fight

[hollow river]

we're at a similar stage. about 50% ~70-75 pulls

[balmy condor]

3 empowered, doesn't go on cd, then you get a 4th normie garrote

[hollow river]

my internet went out last raid night so im not 100% sure

[full tendon]

Ah, that's what it is

[hollow river]

looks like they got it to 45% without me :<

[balmy condor]

Had some guy scream at me one time because he said with enough haste you can get 4 empowered garrotes

Not understanding rogue is gcd locked at 1 second

[quasi venture]

xD

[full tendon]

Vanish after 3? lol

[balmy condor]

Nah he was trying to explain how he never ruptures because he starts in stealth, gets 4 empowered garrotes, vanishes, gets 4 more, and then CT spams

Was talking about some weird haste cap to make it work and all sorts of nonsense

Real weird guy

[quasi venture]

maybe his a god, and his dad works at blizzard

hmmm

[quasi venture]

atleast i can confirm that guardian will die fairly quick xd

[gusty mirage]

138 wipes

13%

[quasi venture]

On guardian???

[gusty mirage]

nah painsmith

[quasi venture]

ah ye i think we had 140 wipes. but we recleared him today for the first time + killed guardian for the first time. and i had the time of my life today https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hXPN31tQdVcw8jbF#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2

finally playing with rank 5 frost

[gusty mirage]

he'll die soon

[quasi venture]

[zinc frost]

Was this in discord because I swear I remember someone here saying that a while ago.. confidently incorrect

[balmy condor]

Ryfie’s pretty sure

[real solar]

WHO??

[balmy condor]

Some like 300 io sin rogue

[arctic walrus]

more than u

will listen to him instead

[gusty mirage]

[ebon notch]

true actually

[oak sky]

Sheeeesh

[ebon notch]

kinda cringe

i regret posting it

[oak sky]

Bro with

Enough haste

You can actually get 5 empowered garrotes

And you do it in st

And each garrote empowers each garrote

[ebon notch]

just use hero

[quasi venture]

ey aslong as you dont take my tarra log

[ebon notch]

on every opener

[oak sky]

So you get a 5x god garrote

[ebon notch]

whats urs

[quasi venture]

r1

[ebon notch]

fuck

bro i need giga powers and giga kill time

you dont get that on boost

highest ive gotten was like

24k before phasing

and i didnt have bis

[quasi venture]

ye. gotta find a hc log grp or something would be fun. i do sylvanas once every week for dagger but it never drops so

[ebon notch]

i got into a pug group for sylvanas this week

both rogues in the group had a dagger drop for them

and they both had double daggers already

AND I WAS SAVED

[oak sky]

Ive still never gotten anything off that boss

In heroic

[quasi venture]

i have gotten the ring 4 times i think

[ebon notch]

legit could have had double daggers but i went vip for boost instead

[oak sky]

I wish i got the ring

[quasi venture]

sylvanas a bitch

[ebon notch]

she a real hoe

[oak sky]

The chest would slap tho

Tbh

[quasi venture]

ye i use eye mythic chest atm. i have a little bit to much crit i think for sylv hc chest to be any good

but in mythic for sure

[balmy condor]

You guys have chest pieces above 226?

[quasi venture]

sh whisp that's what happends when you play sub

[oak sky]

I have eye hc chest

Havent gotten anything off eye m yet

The hands will come though

[quasi venture]

no the hands is a curse

they never fucking drop

[ebon notch]

mythic eye chest is actually kinda bis for me

for how my stats line up

[balmy condor]

I’ve traded 3 ocular glands and had one in my vault

[quasi venture]

[balmy condor]

Still stuck with normal eye chest

[ebon notch]

try 7 KT trinkets

[quasi venture]

no luck with guildies trading?

[balmy condor]

We had a pseudo-leather stack on rekill this week

Got to eye

It dropped for the one alt that couldn’t trade

[quasi venture]

[ebon notch]

bruh that reminds me of the time KT shoulders dropped for a social that "could definitely trade everything, dont worry about it"

except for the KT shoulders which he couldnt trade

who knew

[balmy condor]

4 boomkins, 1 feral, 1 resto druid, 2 rogues, 2 demon hunters, and a monk

[quasi venture]

cursed

i got my first dagger tho like last week so that was kinda painful

[balmy condor]

I advocated for reclear specifically because of the chest

We spent almost 4 hours reclearing nezul and soulrender

[quasi venture]

[balmy condor]

We have 4 kills on nerzul btw

[ebon notch]

soulrender belt tho

[quasi venture]

got it last week

[quasi venture]

If you do sylv il come and try and trade the chest for you matey

[ebon notch]

just when i thought there were no items i needed from soulrender

it dropped on mythic

and was pleasantly surprised

[quasi venture]

it's like a 90 dps upgrade from hc sylv belt

kinda big

[balmy condor]

I gotta pug some heroic bosses for vault tomorrow

[quasi venture]

ye same Zzz

[oak sky]

Cba to pug 3 bosses to finish my vault

[quasi venture]

ye i need to kill rohkalo and kt for the third rest is mythic

kinda cba aswell

[oak sky]

I was out on a couple bosses and i missed the guardian reclear this week so unless we kill kt im 5 killed M for the week

[quasi venture]

ye that was me last week, i was out on the nine and then we killed painsmith so it was just pain and suffering

[oak sky]

Ive been out on painsmith every week

7/10 with a fatescribe kill

[ebon notch]

they found the weak link 👀

[oak sky]

I didn't join late i swear

I'm the weak link

[quasi venture]

painsmith is a fun rogue boss why would you sit

[ebon notch]

@kind talon how bad is he inting

[oak sky]

Joined during prot

Prog

[quasi venture]

ah

[oak sky]

And never get put in

I put boss kill on the loot sheet

Maybe that works for being in next week

[ebon notch]

sylvanas is hella fun as assa rogue btw

ur just turbo pumping

[oak sky]

Ill be in for that fight

[ebon notch]

all the time

[oak sky]

Actually excited

For that

[ebon notch]

also cev is right you dont need to run CT

[oak sky]

Obviously

[ebon notch]

just spam fok and rupture on the adds and arrows

[random fossil]

can we solo soak the kt thingy with cloak?

[ebon notch]

and if you get a proc

big dam

[ebon notch]

yeah

[random fossil]

nice

[ebon notch]

you can also vanish and it disappears

[oak sky]

Except we have no boomie so if chain damage is an issue I might for a while

[ebon notch]

same with the one on the nine

[random fossil]

beautiful

ty

[brazen zodiac]

hi dapscrappydoo

[ebon notch]

only problem ive had with sylvanas is figuring out right and left arrows

when the death gate despawns i lose my sense of direction in that fucking circle

[ebon notch]

you too xoxo

[brazen zodiac]

hehe

sup

[real solar]

what days do u raid

[ebon notch]

he raids every day

he plays for limit

[rancid spade]

!races

!race

[balmy condor]

Tues thurs

[balmy condor]

Bloodmallet has some sims but racials are pretty much completely irrelevant

[real solar]

do heroic with us on wed

[rancid spade]

undead need a buff

[balmy condor]

Work

[balmy condor]

They’re all fine

[gusty mirage]

he just wants you to trade him a heroic dagger

[kind talon]

He was in 3 pulls and got hit by a ball 3 times :)

[ebon notch]

@oak sky is this true

[oak sky]

yeah

i had never seen the boss on mythic tho

dont worry

when im in on it next time

its gonna be 0 deaths

[balmy condor]

[ebon notch]

[spice spire]

Based

[steep gust]

hey - noob question..... is it true that IQD is a sim trap? Or should i trust the sims for it?

[balmy condor]

depends who you ask

there's a drop down you can use to make the second cast of iqd "fail" sometimes

but looking over logs, it does as it's supposed to 95+% of the time

[brazen zodiac]

hi woosypr

[balmy condor]

das me

[brazen zodiac]

@steep gust on god as someone who uses iqd 252 regardless if its a sim trap its still a really good trinket

especially in m+

and it does give huge burst

esp with frost set

plus its such a fun trinket lold

[arctic walrus]

self promo

[balmy condor]

[arctic walrus]

if you're gonna promote something at least do something useful

like me with smoking

[brazen zodiac]

promote smoking? feelsweirdman

[tacit wedge]

Whispyr flexing his cute emotes smh

[balmy condor]

[grave palm]

I see in Sanctum that alot of... most.. Assassination rogues are running Venthyr instead of Necro? Am I hurting myself alot by not being Venthyr? Or is necro still competitive?

[heavy coral]

Both are viable. Venthyr is slightly better on single target. But they are both very close

You can pretty much play what fits your playstyle more and you will be fine

[tacit wedge]

^

[grave palm]

Gotchya. Thank you! 😄

[heavy coral]

[balmy condor]

There’s also some comparisons in #assassination-faq

Sim wise

If you wanna see a rough difference

[brazen zodiac]

i want access to woosyprs cute emotes >.<

[verbal mantle]

[tacit wedge]

for the mere price of your firstborn and your twitch prime, you can also have them

[rocky pecan]

did youu guys sync amplifier with flag ? or just use it on cd without any macro ?

[zinc frost]

Use on CD

[arctic walrus]

yes? they're both 1.5 so you sync with flag and use on cd lol

[rocky pecan]

y this is why i ask if it's logic or may not cauuz sometone yo udelay flag

sometime

i will try that tonight thanks sir

[zinc frost]

No offence but I actually can’t understand that lol

[arctic walrus]

well haste > more attacks inside amp window

and if you really wanted to you would use amp 4s into your flag to get max value

[rocky pecan]

y for max profit of 23+ stack of flag ok ok

thanks and y sorry ruptured i sucked there xd

[shell hazel]

Anyone got Cloaked in Shadows WA ?

[heavy coral]

[small hound]

I'm new to rogue and saw the EP/Vigor vs Blindside/Deeper in the faq, does that mean those 2 pairs go together or is Blindside/Vigor a reasonable option?

[oak sky]

pairs usually go together

blindside/vigor is pretty much never good

[small hound]

Sadge, ty

[balmy condor]

Yeah blindside/vigor is awful

[small hound]

Since both kinda give resources?

[oak sky]

bad in the sim

whispyr might be able to give you the real answer tho

[arctic walrus]

Why ep ds good

[balmy condor]

Too fast

Idk it’s 1:30am

It just does less

[arctic walrus]

Feel slow no way good

With resets surely this would be a gain

[balmy condor]

What if it is

[arctic walrus]

Then I shall be testing next reset

[vestal wren]

30 dps is not to bad

[kind talon]

holymoly

mfd on KT

[arctic walrus]

Mfd on so many things!

Eye soulrender pain fate kt sylv

[shadow tusk]

Mfd?

[kind talon]

yeah Marked for Death

its a talent

[shadow tusk]

No its not

[kind talon]

oh i forgot my bad

[shadow tusk]

Stop lying

[kind talon]

👍

[verbal mantle]

[tacit wedge]

Why would you play MfD

[earnest remnant]

if it becomes better why wouldnt you?

[vestal wren]

why not if its close on pure st and you can increase its value with resets

one argument i can see is "its more effort"

[zinc frost]

To be fair tho, not a lot of effort in our ST rotation. MfD does make things a bit more active

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor just think by this time tomorrow + another 5 hours ur gonna get shiny new sylv dagger

i got a GOOD FEELING

[verbal mantle]

gg you just jinxed it

[zinc frost]

[brazen zodiac]

no jinxing here

we have a PLOT

[proper pendant]

what weapon enhancement we use?

shadowcore oil?

with phantom fire?

[zinc frost]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[proper pendant]

gg

[tacit wedge]

Brain is smol, adding 1 button will make me cry

[ebon thorn]

Do i swap to necro losing 60 sim dps

rlly need 9.1.5 to come faster

[wild beacon]

if there's a conduit in the boss's loot table, is it a separate chance to get it? i.e. can you get item + conduit? or does conduit take the place of an item

[gloomy rose]

separate chance

[spice spire]

Yes, it’s a separate chance

[wild beacon]

thanks, so if i don't want the dagger from remnant but i want the helm, it's better to go outlaw loot spec? it has 2 item + conduit, whereas sin has 3 items

[proper pendant]

anyone know if u can send anima to alts

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

Not that I’m aware of

[proper pendant]

smh

[shrewd night]

Soon (tm)

[tardy ridge]

Is blood set okay if i want to play both assas and subtley?

[vestal wren]

frost is usually the best choice if you play all 3

[proper pendant]

week 4 no sylv dagger

pls

gimme

[quasi grotto]

When using CT , do we still keep up when using ST?

[proper pendant]

yeah it empowers ur blleds

bleeds*

poisons

[quasi grotto]

Feel like when you tried before I want getting many envenoms out. Or is that fine

[zinc frost]

You just don’t use it ST if you are playing dashing in raid

[quasi grotto]

I am using dashing yeah. So only use on adds when using dashin?

[zinc frost]

Yep

[spice spire]

Yes -

And you only use CT in ST for Doomblade or whatever outside of shiv windows

But for dashing, you avoid altogether as it’s neutral to slightly negative to use it

[quasi grotto]

Thanks for the help guys, always rely on coming here. Basically playing for me XD

[ornate dawn]

Trying to optimise my opener a little, I had the option 1 below for a while, but I feel like perhaps getting Vendetta up earlier is better as in option 2

Also was it a waste perhaps having the two Muts either side of shiv in the first, I guess I can roll with one? as in option 2 (both using MA)

What do you think

1) Original (vendetta after Mutx2 Shiv)

Mutilate, Slice and Dice, Mutilate, Garrote, Flagellation, Rupture, Mutilate, Shiv, Mutilate, Vendetta, Vanish, Envenom, Mutilate, Envenom etc

2) Vendetta moved earlier (Only one mut before shiv)

Mutilate, Slice and Dice, Mutilate, Garrote, Flagellation, Rupture, Vendetta, Mutilate, Shiv, Vanish, Envenom, Mutilate, Envenom etc

[subtle tundra]

Both are wrong

[proper pendant]

[ornate dawn]

Ok, in what way. lol do expand

[proper pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

[hollow river]

The 2nd one looks ok

[shrewd night]

Second looks good assuming MA?

[ornate dawn]

Yeah

[hollow river]

Then that’s good yeah

[ornate dawn]

I guess with the send you just hope you get a nice amount of CP from the Mut Shiv before the Vanish for a chunky MA boosted Env

[hollow river]

You could put 2 muts there if needed. But you could also remove the muts and just shiv vanish then mut env

[earnest remnant]

this is what i used to do when i played assa

[hollow river]

It doesn’t really matter if you do mut env mut or env mut env after vanish

They’re both good because of extra cp gained from mut

[spice spire]

Second one is mostly right, only way it could be flubbed is if you’re not following the max-1 dinisher rule. Ie. You’re mutilate after rupture gains 4 CP, obviously you wouldn’t mutilate again. Or your mutilate from vanish gives 3 CP (the classic) you’d obviously mutilate again instead of using envenom

All in all it’s mostly correct though

I also think stealthi’s is mostly correct it’s just personal bias to shiv before an envenom rather than an opener. Both options clearly indicate you understand the spec though

[subtle tundra]

well, what i meant earlier is that youre supposed to shiv immediately after rupture

you put a mutilate before it

[hollow river]

That’s kinda preference

[subtle tundra]

i mean

you can open how you want

its preference

you can start with vendetta

[spice spire]

There’s a stark difference between opening with vendetta and swapping shiv and mutilate after rupture 😛

[subtle tundra]

but shiv there is slightly better, there's a reason sims open like that and guides put it like that

[hollow river]

What I mean is it’s not gonna be impactful

To the outcome

[steel ridge]

are you guys running nadjia or theotar? they both sime rather similar

[hollow river]

I use theotar for sub so Nadjia for sin

[subtle tundra]

but the opener is like one of the only things you can just do the same every single time, why not do it the best way then?

[steel ridge]

thats my current setup aswell, but i find nadjia/thrillseeker to be fucked sometimes

[hollow river]

Yeah it can proc at bad time but so can tubbins and grubbin from theotar

[steel ridge]

but tubbins proc more often and do proc during pull

and thrillseeker procs like 80 seconds into the fight

which is not even close to vendetta

[hollow river]

I prefer haste over mastery

[shrewd night]

depends on cp generation, doesnt it

[subtle tundra]

wat

i mean, yeah, 1 in 100 pulls your rupture gets fucked

but so can your shiv get parried

[ornate dawn]

Its like opening pandoras box when you talk about openers in here 😄

[shrewd night]

Ima chalk this up to brandolini and just go on with my day

[subtle tundra]

this is on the ravenholdt site

[hollow river]

Yes but it’s not impactful how you shift shiv and mut around

Or use env mut env compared to mut env mut after vanish

[subtle tundra]

never said it was gonna give you more than a margine of error worth of dps

[hollow river]

[modern heart]

🍿

[spice spire]

Unsure about the ravenholdt site decision chief

[ornate dawn]

One day ima troll say im opening with shiv CT

[spice spire]

Last update to guide was in January checks notes 2020

[hollow river]

[spice spire]

Unsure if that’s the most up to date and informed guide to choose of the three. I’m not disputing your claim; just the source

[modern heart]

pretty sure nothing has changed since then about the opener

if you're unsure look at your raidbots APL

[spice spire]

Yes, no changes since 8.3

[shrewd night]

you were faster than me quake fuck

[spice spire]

[vital tapir]

quake is the fastest finger on the west

[verbal mantle]

[hollow river]

[limber lion]

wtf

[modern heart]

shiennar what happend to notter

[proper pendant]

(cyan)-Trimming full rune 100k pst

[shrewd night]

He got one of the free beds at the retirement home

[modern heart]

i found a pic of him on my old phone saying some very nice things in chat

[shrewd night]

Probably not a convo for this channel tho, move along

[modern heart]

tboncd never forget

i fixed the opener btw

[mystic folio]

Is castle nathria to only place to get dashing scoundrel ?

[spice spire]

At the moment, yes.

In 9.1.5 they’re adding a way to obtain legendaries iirc

[tacit wedge]

Buy the lost memory in Korthia

Ez clap

[spice spire]

Oh yeah that too! Forgot that existed lmfao

[mystic folio]

Hm ok thank you

[prisma lark]

Didn't check in a long time, but you used to be able to buy memories with the anima conductor currency. Not sure if they removed that with adding it into korthia.

[spice spire]

The trick is to@find a show you like a lot

Head into que

And pray for one within 2 hours

[shrewd night]

still can afaik, did it on shaman during nathria

[sonic hornet]

do you do the deathly shadows trick as assas too?

[fallen arch]

no

[plain thistle]

doesnt work

[cold rampart]

any good assassin streamer?

[proper pendant]

Sacum is pretty good

i watch him a bit tbh

[spice spire]

Whíspyr streams regularly and is pretty decent, but he’s allocated to sub prison rn

[shrewd night]

wdym prison

[ebon notch]

I was stroking out dude dw

[verbal mantle]

[spice spire]

Submissive and breedable sub rogue vs the chad assassination rogue

[willow eagle]

Sin rogue ded spec

Sub overlords taking over

[alpine latch]

Sin 100% dead. We the 4th worst spec in the game

We're all hurting our raids by being Sin

[dense hamlet]

[willow eagle]

Needs another 25% buff tbh

[tacit wedge]

"we scale" gets 25% buff

[spice spire]

51% aura not enough

We scale with buffs obvi

[tacit wedge]

This aged like milk

[steel ridge]

lul

[willow eagle]

Dreadblades buff means outlaw is busted now

You just wait

[dense hamlet]

[steel ridge]

pls not more buttons

[shrewd night]

now THAT is prime

[willow eagle]

[ember mural]

[spice spire]

@ember mural

[willow eagle]

Next tier we are going to the tier set lottery anyways

[ebon notch]

Gonna have to have a carpal tunnel support channel soon

[spice spire]

Yeah #outlaw

It’s already there

Faq should include some good carpal tunnel support items at this point

[tacit wedge]

Tracer 3D butt mousepad

[ebon notch]

Only thing I like about sub is

When you press one shadowstrike

And get 6 cp

That shit makes me nut

Other than that dead spec

[steel ridge]

outlaw can do that aswell

[ebon notch]

Just roll broadside

[steel ridge]

and start with 2 cp