assassination

[limber lion]

You need either or.

[wind nymph]

i feel so dumb, haven't noticed thank you @limber lion

[delicate berry]

im still waiting for EP/DS to sim better than BS/Vig

[spice spire]

Cursed combos

[delicate berry]

They are all simming close but still a little behind BS/Vig

probably because of crap gear haha

feel like ive been sitting at 227 forever

[wraith cloak]

Got my first phail from 17 plague Fall ❤️

[prisma cypress]

epic phail

[wraith cloak]

Should i Upgrade it?

[alpine latch]

If you have the valor? Sure

Run a +12 GV Droptimizer and see how big of an upgrade it is for you and then decide if it's worth the valor to spend on the upgrade

[forest mantle]

Could someone point me in a direction for a talent/rotation guide. Just coming back to rouge and im lost all over again

[quasi venture]

Can just gear compare a 246 phial also

Prob quicker

[bleak sky]

#assassination-faq

[halcyon tapir]

How much envenom buff uptime should I aim for?

[tired vessel]

You shouldnt

[halcyon tapir]

Ah, I assumed it would be a good metric to measure if im pooling well or not

[tired vessel]

Are you over capping energy? Are you going into shiv windows with low energy? If both of those are a no, you're pooling correctly.

[halcyon tapir]

I never overcap but do often have low ensrgy into shiv... so its better to drop envenom buff to pool for shiv?

[tired vessel]

Yes. You ideally only envenom outside of shiv windows when you're about to cap energy.

That way you have more energy to get more envenoms out during shiv. Thats the whole purpose of pooling as sin.

[halcyon tapir]

That makes a lot of sense, ill try that next raid! Thanks for the advice!

[stray mural]

It’s better to be starved for 5 whole minutes than constantly cap energy

Practice makes perfect

[ebon notch]

if you're playing dashing you really want to be maximising that envenom uptime

check the logs

should be like 92%+ uptime

[wintry mica]

does anyone know the uptime of the theotar umbrella buff in sims?

looking at some farm logs from earlier this week and the uptime on the umbrella is absolutely terrible

nevermind I found it 16.7% uptime on a 5 min patchwerk sim, highest uptime on a farm boss from our last raid was 8%

[arctic hare]

Isn’t the envenom buff like only 4 seconds?

[frosty cedar]

5/6 seconds yeah

[arctic hare]

That’ll be fun to keep up the uptime

[drowsy parcel]

it pandemics

[frosty cedar]

its not that bad honestly if you pandemic envenom when you can and dont just spam constantly

[granite pumice]

Dashing Scoundrel.. good or bad idea and based on what %crit? I have all 3 upgraded frost dom sockets and 31% unbuffed crit

[frosty cedar]

sim it

but it was better for me at about 30% crit

[opaque mauve]

Some one said before 40% crit seems to be the magic number , but always test in sims

[balmy condor]

Magic numbers

[vague scroll]

im sorry if this has been asked before but how do we sim consumables?

[tired vessel]

!consumables

Fuck!

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

Same

I always try !oils

[soft shale]

rest in pepper !exsang

[vague scroll]

thanks and sorry

[tired vessel]

No sweat man! Thanks for asking how to sim it rather than whats better 🤣

[balmy condor]

No problem man

Asking what’s better is

[pine bone]

so im just coming back to rogue and playing venthyr am i right in reading that the cov lego is the the best atm

[gusty mirage]

for sin? its dashing w/ frost dom shards

but obedience is close enough and can be used for all 3 specs

so its probably the best to craft at 262 first if you're committed to venthyr

[pine bone]

ok tyvm

[gusty mirage]

np

[clear shadow]

lmao the mythic eye chest was simming lower than my normal sylv chest and now i got ocular and some more crit and its simming 100 dps higher

im at 47% crit

[gusty mirage]

similar thing happened to me

heroic sylv chest was like 12 dps lower than mythic eye chest

then I got the mythic eye gloves and the difference skyrocketed

[clear shadow]

craaazy

[gusty mirage]

this frost shard nonsense has me simming constantly now

[clear shadow]

it was doing almost a mil on soulrender and they were like " are u even playing the game "

playing with corruption and shit lmao

[ebon notch]

bro i was doing 12.6k dps on soulrender

and on the logs it says 12.2k

what gives

[wintry mica]

details can track stuff that logs don't, but I cant think of what that would be on soulrender

I've noticed if you log an M+ the dps shown on the log is like 30-40% less than what was on the overall meter

[spice spire]

Check the active tab as well

Generally your dps shown on details will be somewhere in between active DPS and total shown

[zinc turtle]

Frost or Unholy dom shards?

[spice spire]

Damage now or later?

As you get more gear frost starts pumping harder

Unholy generically good but by the time you get to mythic 245ish ilvl, it’ll be worse

[clever kindle]

Frost shard damage is approaching 20% of my overall on most fights

[zinc turtle]

lol read my mind was going to ask for the break point

[clever kindle]

18%~ seems to be normal now

[hollow river]

Soulrender trinket with frost out sims everything else I have

I don’t have phial

[spice spire]

There’s no specific break point. It’s just a constant sim

People say 40+% crit

I hit frost doing more at 35

[hollow river]

People say lots of things

[spice spire]

The trust is, it’s just a constant sim to see when frost out damages unholy

[clever kindle]

I was testing talents in sims and apparently I can pretty much use whatever the hell I want at this point including Subterfuge or master poisoner

[spice spire]

But it eventually will

[spice spire]

Post the juice

[obtuse robin]

mp ds gang

[spice spire]

I’d like to see this

[clever kindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o1jVrihPVSzM2gH1qGcbRH

Its just a big mixed bag if you look at top gear combos

All relatively close

[zinc turtle]

Sims seems to push me to Unholy for M+ at ilvl 242

[hollow river]

M+ can’t use set bonus

[clever kindle]

Blindside/DS ones obviously edge out a bit but I can use subterfuge in this setup just fine

[spice spire]

M+ has no set bonus

[fresh kernel]

I just lost 3% Crit down to a little over 37% and I can feel the difference in energy regen with dashing scoundrel but that is me personally. It feels like I lost some fluidness to it.

[zinc turtle]

I thought you still get the gem bonus though?

[clever kindle]

individual gem bonus yes

[hollow river]

Yeah only the gem bonus not set tho

[spice spire]

And the set is the sauce

[spice spire]

It’s fucking wild that subterfuge is -20ish

Ig omega high crit?

[zinc turtle]

Yeah for ST Im only ilvl 239 and still Unholy, looks like I need more gear 🙂

[clever kindle]

I have a lot of crit yeah, I have to check exactly how much, maybe like 43% or 45%

[spice spire]

Still wild

Yeeesh

[clever kindle]

And it would probably pump on AOE fights with adds

get a few garrotes out for the crits

[spice spire]

That’s some dark tech

Ngl chief

Lmfao

[clever kindle]

maybe Ill try it on Eye next week

[spice spire]

Idk about eye

That still seems strictly worse

But maybe like soulrender

Or even the nine dream?

[clever kindle]

The only time you're truly single target on Eye if your group is passively cleaving the adds, on Soulrender we have warlocks and boomkins to blow up the add group

Yeah maybe the nine

I guess I would really need more then 1 add up at any time to make good use of it

[spice spire]

You could hold for the summoner add on a vanish?

Still seems like cursed tech

Lmfao

[agile geode]

What Is Better for cleave as sin necro, dashing or doomblade?

[spice spire]

Probably Doomblade

If we’re talking pure cleave all the time

[agile geode]

Kk

[low hill]

shall i keep up crimson tempest on single target with dashing scoundrel?

[balmy condor]

No

[low hill]

so basically I never CT there? or just maybe if i can squize in one during evenom buff...

[quasi venture]

Is it not only shiv windows that comply to or has the sim changed?

[balmy condor]

Never did it with dashing

[quasi venture]

ah

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6M8byWzT3GPgqFQn#fight=25&type=damage-done 70% uptime on boss wasnt very clever from me then. monka. i need to start getting updated on the meta more.

[balmy condor]

Not too bad of a loss I would think

[drowsy parcel]

its neutral or a very small loss

[balmy condor]

Probably fine

Probably 70 dps

[quasi venture]

ye.

reverse 10/10 yet @drowsy parcel ?

[drowsy parcel]

yeah 2 resets ago

lost a few people after so reclears have been semistruggle but we managed to kill her last week as well

[quasi venture]

Nice say gratz from zneid to me.<3

[drowsy parcel]

sure

[whole mason]

Does the damage from frost shard set benefit from MA talent?

[limber lion]

I mean, yes

Your abilities crit more with MA, which in turn means more damage pooled into the Winds proc

[whole mason]

no, im talking about exactly the damage output at 20sec

[limber lion]

But the MA effect itself does not work for the proc.

No, that it does not work on.

It's whitelisted for all stuff like that.

Similar to trinkets/NW weapons.

[whole mason]

so it crits at your normal profile crit rate then?

[limber lion]

Correct.

[whole mason]

okay, then there is nothing more I can do for our siege at the banshee queen.

[dense hamlet]

just do mehcanics theres no dps checks at this point anyway

[whole mason]

personally i think we have enought dps, but it's tricky. they say it should be a 56% remaining moving to the final.

[violet jackal]

no

[whole mason]

we're however sitting at 58

[violet jackal]

oh you mean final platform

[spice spire]

56 going into p3

That’s some nutty p2 pump

[whole mason]

final platform

[spice spire]

I know - I’m memeing on that one

[heavy coral]

anyone got up-to-date windfury totem gains?

[spice spire]

Imagine though

[spice spire]

It’s pinned in wow Gen innit?

Actual question

[violet jackal]

sounds like a group damage issue, I've been in groups where we killed a few seconds after landing on platform 3

[limber lion]

Not updated necessarily.

[heavy coral]

Cause was told by my RL that DH sims got are bugged there XD

[spice spire]

Ahhhhh

[heavy coral]

and that DH's are higher than sin

[dense hamlet]

thats how avade feels

[heavy coral]

i really need those sims, not gonna loose my windfury wtf

[dense hamlet]

i mean

if they dont give u wf

cus they think""

dh is better

w/e

idk how updated these are

but these are the ones there is

[whole mason]

you can do your own sim

[dense hamlet]

yeah that aswell

[limber lion]

Yes, just like I said literally 2 minutes ago

These are not updated.

[whole mason]

get your dh buddy's profile and sim then sim yours

[dense hamlet]

oh mb didnt see that

[dense hamlet]

^

[obtuse robin]

is it updated in the sim?

[dense hamlet]

didnt he say they think its bugged

and it should be more

[drifting cloud]

no theyre just talking shit

and everyone believes them because theyre in limit

[dense hamlet]

[drifting cloud]

the guy who made the chart triple checked it

afaik

[limber lion]

The sheet is very very generalized as well

Like that's assuming you all have bis gear

And that's definitely not the case

So it's going to be a completely different story for your profile.

[obtuse robin]

prolly also the wrong bis gear esp for sin

[heavy coral]

Gonna do a quick sim then

[limber lion]

Yes, like I said

it's not updated

Maybe third time's the charm.

[obtuse robin]

yea ill still say my opinions on it

[wintry mica]

is the chart updated though?

[limber lion]

[dense hamlet]

its bugged

[modest glen]

so we are 5/10 mythic and all the loot i've gotten the last 4(!!) weeks now are the same boots from the nine...

[wintry mica]

those are good boots at least

[limber lion]

Hey, at least they're bis boots

[modest glen]

if only i could equip more of them

[obtuse robin]

careful dont make him say it a 4th time

[modest glen]

i am gearing all other leather users

[dense hamlet]

u have 4 bis boots

[obtuse robin]

he could misread ur comment

[limber lion]

You might want to stop.

[obtuse robin]

im fine

u messed up not me

[limber lion]

Last warning.

[obtuse robin]

lol

[fresh kernel]

@modest glen I feel your pain I had them across all raid difficulties and in my damn vault trying to get another piece of Dom socket.

I think I had 9 pair in total

[modest glen]

yep, it sucks

[visual prairie]

covenant swaps currently, is it possible to switch to necro get the renown capped and get back to venthyr for raid next week or would I have to raid at least one (or more) weeks as necro?

[wintry mica]

i dont think you could get renown capped unless you are going to grind hard

it also takes 2 weeks to return to a covenant you have left

so youd have to do the venthyr return before reset, and then again between reset and your raid

[ebon thorn]

Does deathly shadows swap work for assa too?

[shadow tusk]

No

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[obtuse robin]

ui check

[spice spire]

Cringe gatekeeping chief, that ain’t it

[obtuse robin]

wat lol

[brazen zodiac]

def not my UI.

korthia just bein korthia lmfao.

[spice spire]

UI checking someone smh

Gatekeep the IO not the UI, stay toxic kings.

[wintry mica]

if your UI doesnt block 95%+ of your screen are you really a gamer?

[brazen zodiac]

hi ray hi black

[obtuse robin]

lol

[brazen zodiac]

my ui kinda nice

idk

[obtuse robin]

hey sup

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage assassination io check

[wintry mica]

[brazen zodiac]

im like beyond super OCD

[gusty mirage]

bfa s3, s4, and sl s1 sin IO check?

[brazen zodiac]

idk how some of yall have the world on top of ur screenlfmao

[gusty mirage]

you don't want any of this sauce son

[spice spire]

Lmao ratio+L+not even an OTP

[brazen zodiac]

actually id love ur sauce

[wintry mica]

I dont know why but i feel like I need my normal action bars still

[brazen zodiac]

im kinda hungry and i have wings with no sauce >.<

[gusty mirage]

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

[gusty mirage]

can someone translate this into boomer for me?

[spice spire]

Actually clean UI. Respect

[wintry mica]

wings with no sauce sounds pretty tragic

[brazen zodiac]

yeah >.<

[spice spire]

“Stay mad old man”

[gusty mirage]

raid prog check?

FUCKIN GOT EM

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

130 wipes on painsmith check?

[spice spire]

x 130

We’re in different prisons

But we’re both there king

[gusty mirage]

heroic parse check? @spice spire

[spice spire]

Now that’s hella toxic

But respect you got me

[gusty mirage]

you know ily

[wintry mica]

heroic healing parse check is where its really at

[obtuse robin]

dps is over rated its about them healing parses

[stuck knoll]

they don't call him toxi for nothing

[gusty mirage]

I thought yall called me habibiScripe?

[stuck knoll]

You can have multiple names

[spice spire]

Toxihabibi

[wintry mica]

just looking at my random ones i feel like just using leeching poison for a raid night would give you top 100 on every boss

[gusty mirage]

respect

[spice spire]

God gaming right here

[obtuse robin]

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/r36Lfq1.png

guys

i just had some of the most insane rng

ive ever had

hold on there are some stupid insane screenshots

https://i.imgur.com/YQ1ZWgk.png

25k envenom

https://i.imgur.com/t6IGDCJ.png

82k winds on single target

66% crit chance

jesus christ

[limber lion]

Cute.

[ebon notch]

ur cute

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

theotar with crit tea

50% crit cahnce

jesus

the fact that that was only rank 8 kinda scares me idk what more i could do lmao

and it was unethical

[limber lion]

Which boss was that?

[ebon notch]

remnant

ive never crit that hard on an envenom though

[wintry mica]

i had some 20ks back when we still ran unholy doomblade and that was in shit gear

could probably get some crazy env now

[ebon notch]

yh but this was dashing frost

ive hit 20k before

but yh

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion do I do a sale on rogue this week or gear my dh

[hollow river]

Pretty sure I crit 20k in CN once

[arctic walrus]

have you enjoyed your stay at the top of asp or need a bit more time to breath it all in

[limber lion]

Why not both?

[ebon notch]

whats asp

[arctic walrus]

the second sale is on alt raid day

[obtuse robin]

all star

[arctic walrus]

[drowsy parcel]

heroic allstars

[ebon notch]

lmao

[drowsy parcel]

unhide your logs and fight me on mythic

[arctic walrus]

who even are you?

[limber lion]

It's aight, I was spoonfed PI's last time so it kinda ruins it tbh

[ebon notch]

i cant my kills are scuffed

[limber lion]

ah fuck

[ebon notch]

i have only 85 average

our last painsmith kill i had to tank the boss to kill it

[drowsy parcel]

rude

[limber lion]

Just gear your dh, the patch is probably a quarter of the way in anyways

Got plenty of time to play on your rogue on main raids and whatnot

[arctic walrus]

but heroic

last time I did a full clear was early august

[obtuse robin]

[arctic walrus]

my mythic is fine but it's just fucked cuz I have no parse on fate so hopefully they put me in next week

[drowsy parcel]

i really dont udnerstand

why most top 100 guilds still logs private during farm

[spice spire]

To prevent poaching?

Not condescending btw, just a logical theory and the only reason I could think of

[lavish lichen]

I think it just makes runs smoother

Like no one has to worry about their parse

Or others trying to parse

[spice spire]

Or they’re fried. Very few times should there be a need for private logs to make runs smoother.

Just kill the boss lmao

Especially on farm

[lavish lichen]

I think you’d be surprised as to how seriously some people take logs

[subtle tundra]

dang i got 600 dps in a day hell yea

[mental trout]

So for M+ and the new changes is sin or sub top dps?

[limber lion]

We don't know yet

They will change some things around for sure

Wouldn't be surprised if Outlaw was changed.

[obtuse robin]

id be surprised if they dont

[toxic badge]

guys I have a real problem with shadowstep on Remnant mythic

if Im on the platform and I dont have a debuff, I can easily shadowstep back to boss during the flight

but when I have the orb, I got knock from the platform and I can not simply shadowstep back

[shadow tusk]

Do you have the MD WA?

[limber lion]

That's because if you're on the very edge and you get knocked off, your character cannot find a path to the boss

You need to be slightly closer to the middle and shadowstep instantly, not after you've flown a few meters.

If you try to shadowstep over the edge, it will fail 100% of the time.

[drifting cloud]

just use the guid WA, literally removes the mechanic

think the only people that need to play it differently are priests if you only ahve 2

cuz you cant md as the inner priest or some shit

[limber lion]

Yeh, just use a cheaty weak aura

[toxic badge]

cheaty weak aura ?

[drifting cloud]

with the WA the outer g uy will never get knocked out of the platform and the inner guy the mechanic basically doesnt exist for him as long as he is in md range

[loud light]

do you even need a WA now? the standard star/circle marking bigwigs and dbm do (which is based on which order the debuffs are applied) seems to match up with the right dispel order

[subtle gyro]

Anyone have a WA for raid call outs? An audible one, or the name of said addon? Curious to try it out 🙂 Thanks

[gusty mirage]

https://wago.io/CrwNCtWEH dis one?

[shadow tusk]

Sorry i asked the other guy in case he needed it but thanks

[gusty mirage]

oh

[toxic badge]

thank you

I will try

[subtle gyro]

Ive heard it in videos, calling things out during encounters. Was not sure if its a WA or a Addon of some sort

[halcyon zealot]

that WA is nice for cloaking the knockback since you have do it within 1 second of the cast

[fallen arch]

Can u share?

[toxic badge]

so I can cloak the knockback ?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

I'd recommend just shadow stepping though

[slim wagon]

why would you though ?

[halcyon zealot]

with the super immune portion of cloak yes

[gusty mirage]

save cloak for last shatter

[halcyon zealot]

you should be able to immune first knockback and cloak last shatter

unless u need cloak to live earlier

[oak sky]

You can just step every knockback

[halcyon zealot]

you can also cloak it lol

[limber lion]

Well

Kind of

[halcyon zealot]

like i’m not saying one is better than the other, you shouldn’t need cloak on that fight for anything besides 3rd shatter anyways

[limber lion]

I would just use cloak on Shatter 1 and Shatter 3

[drifting cloud]

not like you need it on shatter as a rogue aswell

[limber lion]

Help the homies out

Definitely don't.

Rocking a 100k absorb shield is already more than enough for it

[drifting cloud]

you can just feint and hold cloak if you get 2-3 debuffs or get hit by silence at the end

[shadow tusk]

I usually cloak if i get 2-3 of the orb debufs

[gusty mirage]

yo frost absorb is actually so nice, I'm walking around painsmith intermissions like "how is everyone dying?????"

[drifting cloud]

lol oxi you should have seen the rogue stack hc sale yesterday

like 8 of us were frost assa 1.5k hps

[gusty mirage]

I was watching cev's stream for a bit

yall were pumping

did that guy get a dagger off sylv?

[drifting cloud]

no

[gusty mirage]

LMFAO

GGs rip 4 mil gold

[drifting cloud]

4 item loot table mmmm

I think 3 or 4 rogues got an item

[gusty mirage]

sylvanas loot is actually toxic af

[limber lion]

Lead kept giving me PI

[gusty mirage]

unethical gamer

[drifting cloud]

yeah your r1 forever tainted

because who the fuck is breaking that

anytime soon

8.7k on sylv

[limber lion]

Yeh, gonna need some serious externals for that probs

[drifting cloud]

my winds had 20% crit on sylvn

[limber lion]

Ouch

[placid pagoda]

for Soulrender, is it better to hold Vend and vanish until after dance? my cds consistently come up just before dance

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

depends on kill timer chris

[limber lion]

Exactly

[placid pagoda]

my thoughts too

we're about 1.5 mins off enrage, best pull 8%

[drifting cloud]

oh its prog hmm

[jaunty hill]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8HV41SrQwoxQQcfNPetkvy It says Blindside and Deeper Strategem is better but I do definitly more dps with elaborate planning and Vigor. Is it nuts?

[drifting cloud]

then youre probably gonna have 7:30~ kill timer so yeah you can hold

[placid pagoda]

yeah

[drifting cloud]

unless youre expecting mega scuffed over 8min kill

[placid pagoda]

yeah forgot to mention prog

[limber lion]

Then stick to EP/Vig if you see better results with it.

EP/Vig is better for movement/adds

Also, #assassination-faq has that covered.

Check it out.

[drifting cloud]

cev whats the prepull strat on some bosses

[gusty mirage]

our first kill was 7:26 and super scuffed, I can't imagine him dying if you manage to survive to 8 minutes

[drifting cloud]

I see you afking at vases but just not sure how it even works

[limber lion]

You hit the pots on the side to get SnD/Alacrity up before the pull

But it's super minimal

Not worth the effort honestly

[drifting cloud]

how many cps you get?

[limber lion]

I just end up fucking up my opener when I do that

[gusty mirage]

Cev spends prepull programming the computer in his brain so he can efficiently mimic SimC

[limber lion]

Well, you just mutilate the pots, so 2-4

[drifting cloud]

that remnant parse is just insane

[limber lion]

And there's several pots

But usually around 2 stacks of Alacrity and a 50s SnD to start off with

[drifting cloud]

its like youre playing a different class than me

[limber lion]

I tried cheesing it here

And you can see how awful it looks

[drifting cloud]

and then yeah when you add PIs on top of it youre just yoked

[limber lion]

Double rupture

Efficiency maximus

[drifting cloud]

env muti env MA? im telling whispyr

[gusty mirage]

he is human afterall

[limber lion]

Nah

That Vanish is definitely after the Envenom

I press it immediately after Envenom

So I get the 1s gcd after the Envenom cast

inside the Vanish

[clear shadow]

is there any time i should hold flag for vendetta? I just use flag on CD and if lines up with my 1st and 4th vendetta

[gusty mirage]

only if you don't miss a cast

but usually send both on CD

[limber lion]

Yes, you should try to sync them up as long as you don't miss out on casts.

With Vend/Vanish being at 2mins and Flag at 1.5mins every time, it's quite easy to see when you can and when you can't sync them.

[clear shadow]

what should i look out for though when i have like 20 sec on vendetta should i hold

[limber lion]

Playing Obedience makes it more difficult, obviously.

[limber lion]

Nothing.

You should just think ahead and think

"If I press this Vendetta now, will I get a second one later?"

Or if it's your last Vendetta

If it's your last one, you might want to hold it until Flag comes off cd

If it's not, you need to press it immediately.

The same concept goes for Flag.

[clear shadow]

alright

[limber lion]

You also want to have Shiv up for Vendetta and generally the rule is to hold it a maximum of 12 seconds, but if you preemptively know that you will hold Vendetta for Flag, you should send your Shiv

[clear shadow]

what if i have shiv and flag

but no vendetta

[limber lion]

You press everything on cooldown, unless you can sync them without losing casts.

[clear shadow]

ok

[limber lion]

It applies to every single ability.

Or well, every single cooldown based ability.

Shiv, Vanish, Vend, Flag

(Potion)

Trinkets you just send on cooldown at all times

(unless you can sync them with lust)

[clear shadow]

also does flag get increased damage with vendetta?

[limber lion]

Yes it does.

[clear shadow]

so you vendetta flag rupture

[drifting cloud]

not in the opener because you dont have rupture up, but its minor

[limber lion]

Correct, you use Vendetta only after you have both garrote and rupture up.

Meaning that you'd use it after your Flag.

[clear shadow]

ok

cause i would vendetta flag rupture but it would slowly desync my vanish with vendetta

[limber lion]

Why does it desync your vendetta and vanish?

They don't have to be in perfect sync

Master Assassin lasts for 3 seconds

So as long as you get that inside the 20s Vendetta window (within the 9s Shiv window) then you're good.

[dawn ivy]

oh sounds like im doign my opener wrong

[clear shadow]

its cause when i vendetta flag rupture i try to get to max combo points before i shiv and its atleast like 2-3 seconds so i have to wait like 3 or 4 seconds after my 2nd vendetta comes off cd for vanish

@limber lion

[obtuse robin]

3-4 sec ur still good

[fallen arch]

That’s fine

But you don’t have to wait till max combo points for shiv

[obtuse robin]

as whispyr told me max 10 sec holding shiv for ven/vanish

[clear shadow]

yeah most times i throw it off and hope for a crit

[fallen arch]

I feel 10 sec is pretty long already

[clear shadow]

so i vendetta flag rupture mutilate shiv then vanish envenom mutilate evenom

[obtuse robin]

yea if u gotta wait a full 10 while vendeta is already up or going

just gotta focus on the timing

[limber lion]

As long as you don't overcap energy, you're fine.

You don't need to get to max combo points before you shiv everytime though

That's nonsense.

[clear shadow]

yeah i press it on cd but i gotta pay attention to vendetta timings cause i use it when vendetta has like 10 secs left so feels bad man

[slim pebble]

I’m going to tell the next RL that says my shiv usage is bad that Ceverion said it was okay

[limber lion]

Good Shiv usage = use it on cooldown
Bad Shiv usage = use it only with max combo points

So if your raid leader says it's bad, he's a dummy.

[lone wren]

does your raid leader play rogue?

[slim pebble]

I told this story before but their rogue friend said it was bad

[pure moth]

Wasnt me.. and hello!

[lone wren]

yep the usual critic thing, im an artist irl and i have a motto, i don't take feedback from anyone who doesn't have a portfolio. Same thing in wow, do not ever take feedback from someone who doesn't have logs to show what they are actually capable of.

[limber lion]

Link me his logs and I'll roast his ass.

[slim pebble]

I never found out who this rogue friend was. Maybe I should do some digging 😅

[lone wren]

honestly what i do when i wanna improve my performance on a fight is i pull up wow logs and pick a rogue that has similar ilvl/kill time/covenant as me who did more damage than i did. I watch their replay, and see what they do different

every time i have made huge improvements to my own playstyle that way, always learn from people who are doing better than you. Never take random advice without evidence

[slim pebble]

Basically the entire story is that I came back to WoW from a 2.5 month break.. extremely undergeared and was taken into a heroic raid where everyone had 230+ and gem bonuses and didn’t do very well so I was the subject of “feedback”

[drifting cloud]

yikes

[spice spire]

That’s hella cring chief

[drifting cloud]

"damn I wonder why this guy that probably sims 4k less than us does less dmg"

must be the shiv usage

[spice spire]

It has to be!

There’s no other explanation

[runic maple]

does the lethal poisons conduit increase the dmg of our deadly posion + deadly posion (DoT)?, details have seperated those two

[kind turtle]

Why does Marked For Death get removed from your action bars when you spec out of it but other abilities like Crimson Tempest do not? Is that a bug?

[limber lion]

It increases the instant portion of it, like it says in the tooltip.

So not the DoT one.

[runic maple]

ah

once literally all the adds that possibly can coexist are together in soulrender mythic, we still maintain CT's dot instead of spamming it right

ignoring a progression scenario

[spice spire]

Afaik

[limber lion]

It does?

You can just make a macro for it and it'll never disappear if that's happening to you.

[scarlet warren]

thank god this happens to everyone, i legit thought i was crazy cause of this

[kind turtle]

In my experience yes. Not immediately, but after speccing out of MFD then teleporting to a new area or entering an arena/battleground it gets removed from my action bar. Weird because it does not happen with other similar abilities that you talent into

[oak sky]

Yeah it does for me too

Ct never goes away but mfd does

Not like i need mfd ever though

[kind turtle]

It's not a big deal, just mildly annoying lol

was curious to see if i was the only one 🙂

[ebon notch]

multi dot with rupture and keep envenom buff up

[fresh kernel]

Do they even live long enough

[runic maple]

I usually just rupture the big add besides the boss

I cld mby fit in another rupture but they melt kinda fast lel

[limber lion]

Yeah, just make a macro and it'll never disappear again.

#showtooltip Marked for Death

/cast Marked for Death

[ebon notch]

nah they rarely do

but thats what you wanna do

you can go and rupture like 2 of them before they get gripped in

then rotate CT and envenom buff

if you wanna be spicy then shiv one of the adds thats double branded

and crit it for 30k

[runic maple]

we have started to cc the adds before the big add spawns to delay their cast, cld sneak it in right before they wld be gripped tho

[hollow river]

Afaik this doesn’t happen to me. But I have definitely had my action bars do some wonky stuff like randomly ignore specific settings.

[oak sky]

Turn on right bar:right bar doesnt display

[hollow river]

A big one of the “always show action bars” setting. I usually keep that turned on and randomly it will stop showing them, and I have to go into settings, turn it off and back on again.

[hollow river]

Yep this too

[oak sky]

so weird

[hollow river]

Yeah I don’t get it

[oak sky]

multi dollar company

[hollow river]

A game without tier sets don’t make no cents

[oak sky]

its comin

🙂

[hollow river]

Yeah a things do seem to be looking up

[oak sky]

i never played with tier sets

but even just the mogs seem sick as fuck

[hollow river]

Me either

[oak sky]

but class design changing slightly every patch

nutty

[hollow river]

Just started playing in SL

[oak sky]

yeah me2

[gusty mirage]

oh sweet children

you've missed so much

[oak sky]

believe me

i wish i started during legion

[hollow river]

I played back in wrath

But I was a kiddo and a pvp Andy

[oak sky]

i wouldve gotten bored in early wow probably

with the age i was

[hollow river]

Yeah

[oak sky]

but yeah legion

[hollow river]

Pvp was fun for me back then

[oak sky]

i wouldve been addicted

[wintry mica]

are you not addicted now

[oak sky]

yeah but i wouldve been addicted sooner

[wintry mica]

theres a surprising amount of people ive ran into that started during legion

im an old fart though

[ebon notch]

legion was poggers

[oak sky]

i played overwatch during when legion was

i think

[wintry mica]

I liked legion a lot

[gusty mirage]

cheers fellow boomer

[oak sky]

i played league during bfa

[halcyon zealot]

tfw when you’ve played this game for more than 50% of ur time on earth

[subtle gyro]

make me feel real old. Ive been playing since 6 mos after Vanilla dropped 🙂

[gusty mirage]

the good ol' days with the cold blood/prep pvp build

[hollow river]

Pretty sure I was playing RuneScape back when vanilla was out

[subtle gyro]

u remember the AR hemo guild?

build* lol

[gusty mirage]

I do

[subtle gyro]

hur dur

[gusty mirage]

we're really dating ourselves here

[wintry mica]

lol

[gusty mirage]

remember the spreadsheet we used to sim?

[halcyon zealot]

Hemo 🖤

[gusty mirage]

[subtle gyro]

thottbot.com 🙂

[wintry mica]

I liked mace hemo for pvp in tbc

[subtle gyro]

combat swords for LYFE

[gusty mirage]

mace stun kek

[wintry mica]

combat swords was the real shit

[halcyon zealot]

well dagger spec was such a pain in the ass back then

[subtle gyro]

windfury, DST....good times

[wintry mica]

i didnt play rogue much in vanilla though, I was young enough that I didnt play much

[gusty mirage]

yea mutilate was awful

HARP was the way to go

hemo/ar/prep

[deft obsidian]

Mutilate was fun to try until hydross in serpentshrine

[gusty mirage]

I remember how excited I was when we got cloak and step

man

could only step enemies

[visual prairie]

played off and on since open beta. looking for something to replace star wars galaxies

OLD

[wintry mica]

how would we do korthia without being able to step to friendlies

oh shit

i still remember hearing about the first dude to get his holocron

[subtle gyro]

my dudes..i miss armor pen and T6 days..with glaives

[wintry mica]

it was like some crazy rng bullshit

[visual prairie]

there theories. you had to max all the professions etc etc

it's fuzzy now. it was weird to have this op aspect of the game locked off except to a very random few

[wintry mica]

yea pretty interesting idea though

make a starwars mmo and you cant choose to be a jedi lol

[subtle gyro]

should bring back armor pen IMO...such a fun stat

[wintry mica]

i want hit rating and expertise back

[visual prairie]

i have a tough time finding any of those "fun." it's just another thing the sim will min/max

and then i'll forget about it

[wintry mica]

yea I dont think anyone would actually advocate for those to come back

[drowsy hollow]

I got my wish, sexy blue

[wintry mica]

it was literally just put your dude into ask mrrobot and reforge

[subtle gyro]

i liked hit rating honestly.

[drowsy hollow]

Gonna look so good on my void elf

[wintry mica]

oh i thought you meant your disc name changing to blue lol

I was like get that sub shit outta here

[drowsy hollow]

Nah, the rogue t20 recolor

[wintry mica]

yea it looks better with the lighter background pic they showed

with the black smoke

[visual prairie]

the picture looks like a little baby trying to wear his dad's clothes

[wintry mica]

Im betting its reward for 9.1.5 mage tower

[visual prairie]

with his head barely poking out

the arms are all floppy

[oak sky]

bro

i would love to try mage tower

in timewalking

[wintry mica]

i quit legion a bit after it came out

so i only got the sin appearance

[oak sky]

imagine

m+ tw

and mage tower

and a raid

[wintry mica]

I woulda farmed that shit on 10 characters if i was still playing at the time

[worthy heart]

Yo, on monday i'm progressing on the nine mythic, kinda late on the prog train but yea, should i stay venthyr or go for necrolord?

[wintry mica]

stay venth

[oak sky]

venthyr is fine for the whole raid

[wintry mica]

unless you want to swap for fun

the difference is close enough that you can run either for any boss

[worthy heart]

Oh oke, that's quite nice

Should i run ct instead of poisonbomb?

[wintry mica]

venth master race tho

not for nine

its a single target fight for most of it

[worthy heart]

Aaaand how would you do the inc, i always fuck shit up in fights with 2 targets

[wintry mica]

I personally dot the second boss after shiv

after shiv window*

but you can do it anytime after MA during the opener realistically

[worthy heart]

Ok, so normal start, when shiv dies go for multidotting

[visual prairie]

i dot both bosses and then do opener, because normal opener means i'll get first shard guaranteed

[worthy heart]

Lol ok

[wintry mica]

thats when you insta cloak and hope they dont notice it going to someone else

I assume you could also preemptively cloak but then you wouldnt have it to solo a meteor

[visual prairie]

then i'll get meteor and they go "Why aren't you immuning?"

[worthy heart]

I'll totally do that shit

[oak sky]

nah immuning makes you go out of melee

[worthy heart]

This week i immuned a bomb cause cds

[oak sky]

never do that

[worthy heart]

It was hc so w/e

[wintry mica]

i only immune if its that shit overlap

[oak sky]

yeah

[wintry mica]

with the small soaks

[oak sky]

exactly

only immune if you have to sac

[wintry mica]

i need to look at a log to see how quickly the first set comes out

feels like 5 seconds or so

7 according to my log from farm

but i bribed my healer to have me be last dispell if its during the opener

[oak sky]

actual 5head

i just open and pray

[wintry mica]

gunna start just cloaking when I cast flag during the opener

[oak sky]

thats some genius king shit

[wintry mica]

me think good

[oak sky]

its funny to me

that i have a fate kill

before painsmith

[wintry mica]

seems like fates easier than painsmith

[oak sky]

yeah

but you have to kill painsmith firsst

first

[wintry mica]

true

Im not looking forward to him

[oak sky]

theyre both fun bosses

[wintry mica]

yea they dont look that bad except for I know my raid is gunna wipe forever on that shit lol

[oak sky]

imo

yeah we had some issues last night on fate

[obtuse robin]

i have guildies dieing to torment all the time painsmith is gonna be a blast

[oak sky]

swapped like 3 players then we killed it in 3 pulls

players>raid buffs

[wintry mica]

for sure

also whichever one of yall told me to sell my BOE instead of equipping it was right, finally not poor

[oak sky]

i probably said that

because i did the same thing

[wintry mica]

took like a fuckin week to sell cause i was being greedy

[oak sky]

what did you sell it for?

[wintry mica]

475k

[oak sky]

not bad

[wintry mica]

i had it listed for 650k for a while lol

someone posted a pair with leech for 1.5M and it was the only one up so i thought i might get lucky and someone would think mine was a good deal

[oak sky]

yeah lol

mine were indestructible actually

[wintry mica]

better than nothing at least

[oak sky]

boe is a boe

imagine getting one the first week

you get to sell it to limit or bdgg

[wintry mica]

so tasty

can probably name your price

[oak sky]

i would ask for a brutosaur

lol

[wintry mica]

id rather have the gold

lol

[oak sky]

i feel like you don't need more than like a mil

[wintry mica]

true

[oak sky]

so you could just ask for 10mil then buy off the bmah

[wintry mica]

unless you are like buying carries and shit

[oak sky]

ew

no

[wintry mica]

got a dude in my guild thats got like 70M or some shit in total

and he was buying aotc on like all his characters

back when it was still expensive too

[oak sky]

you could just get aotc on main then use your aotc status to get into pugs

idk

[wintry mica]

I think he wanted loot drops too but not sure

[oak sky]

hm

[wintry mica]

he was probably doing full heroics not just aotc now that i think about it

[quasi venture]

Best boosting fortune ive made were from Aotc in wod. everyone wanted archi trinket + the mount

was daddys cash

[brazen zodiac]

hi rayroo

[subtle gyro]

]

[bleak sky]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[silent tinsel]

Why does the pastbin text keep dissapearing on me

[arctic hare]

Control Z?

[fathom flax]

Rogue t20 recolour is not pog

[shadow flower]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[shrewd helm]

Link?

[prisma lark]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-rogue-mythic-tier-20-tier-6-armor-set-recolor-in-patch-9-1-5-324110

I like it personally

[shrewd helm]

I like it. I wish the gray was black though

[prisma lark]

you mean the dark grey spots?

[shrewd helm]

Nah the light gray

[dense hamlet]

only if it had more black

like the red pvp one

[shrewd helm]

I like all black mogs

[dense hamlet]

white and gray idk

black wouldve been so good

not enough black tbh

[prisma lark]

I like the grey on shoulders, I don't like the bleached greenish grey on other parts

[dense hamlet]

how do u even get this btw?

is it gonna be from raid or smh

[shrewd helm]

Possibly new mage tower

[oak sky]

yeah its either timewalking m+ timewalking mage tower or something

[drifting cloud]

or maybe its just tier set for .2 whose assets are going in the game already :p

[prisma lark]

I wonder if it has the white outlines ingame or if they're only on wowhead due to shadowy effects

[oak sky]

no shot

[dense hamlet]

those should be in game aswell

on shoulders and head?

[oak sky]

a redone tier set for next patch

would be so troll

[dense hamlet]

w/e gimme anything it looks not bad

more dagger and sword tmogs tho

[oak sky]

sylvanas dagger tmog is

ok

🙂

[dense hamlet]

yeah only if u have it

[oak sky]

at least the transmog is any difficulty

[dense hamlet]

i mean

i did lfr once

[prisma lark]

compared to nyalotha anything looks good imo

[oak sky]

everyone whos clearing each week get it eventually

[dense hamlet]

for transmog

and i regret doing lfr

[oak sky]

lol

[dense hamlet]

" eventually"

before next tier

[oak sky]

probably

[prisma lark]

possibly legion timewalking m+ ksm?

[oak sky]

depends on vault too

[dense hamlet]

man i get fate loot in my vault like both the ring and the head

idk how the fuck

do they end up there

each weak

[drowsy hollow]

I hope it's mage tower just for the salt that they bring mage tower back without the artifact skins

[oak sky]

so many people would be salty if they did bring those back

"muh exclusive mogs"

[loud light]

Just bring it back but scale your ilvl to what people had when it first came out and was still hard (well except for one assn had, that boss was a joke)

[oak sky]

they exist

[obtuse robin]

means ur get it in ur vault on reset

[oak sky]

shit

i mean

if i get mythic

in vault

i wouldnt be disappointed

@gusty mirage ❤️

[gusty mirage]

what I do

[spice spire]

Ur cute as fuck

[oak sky]

Gift me in whispyr

Lol

And uraqt

[obtuse robin]

i got one of oxi's subs

lol

[harsh lantern]

noice

[hollow river]

Log in, enter raid, clear trash, get ready to pull painsmith, internet die.

[dark token]

when this happens on the day ur guild kills sylv

rip

[hollow river]

[halcyon tapir]

Is there a log review channel?

[late aspen]

would unholy or frost set be better for m painsmith

[hollow river]

You can ask and see if someone in here will review them.

Usually just post a link to the log you’d like reviewed

[hollow river]

Kinda depends on your set up, but frost is the best for sin. depending on your set up

[halcyon tapir]

Im 3/10M, i feel like im doing ok... but i really wanna parse higher so any tips would be appreciated
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aM9B2rZTpWQqF8Jf/#fight=12&type=damage-done

[drifting cloud]

youre necro why the hell do you have a 225 dashing 😛

[balmy condor]

whats wrong with dashing

Zzx Log Review

[toxic quail]

hey im progging on Mythic Sylvanas, anyone know what cloak works on if anything at all?

i know haunting wave but thats like emergency type stuff

[drifting cloud]

works on pretty much everything except veil

[halcyon tapir]

I have 262 DB i just enjoy dahsing more =P

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

thats like -150 dps

or something

[balmy condor]

yeah

not sure why would you do that

[halcyon tapir]

Ill chuck on DB next raid 😄

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rrM68cZyveJnXK5ASwLJJJ

[drifting cloud]

nerd

[lavish lichen]

Ohhh 12k inc ez

[agile flame]

is sub considered better in m+ than assassination currently?

[obtuse robin]

yes

[echo geyser]

gib dagger plz

[arctic walrus]

I get my first this late in and yall already some greedy mofuckers

[odd heath]

empowered WPS simming higher than lashing scars for you?

[echo geyser]

o:

[odd heath]

they sim the same for me, just simmed lul

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cuNbs1zQu2YWvtMwoU6QGZ

thought there was a bigger difference tbh

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n8rSXYCjCwoBSRQT9S5UKy u venthyrs absolutely shit on my necro

mythic sylv is only like 200 or so

[odd heath]

it was 250 for me

• 100 for mythic Fusion amp

[cobalt pelican]

stop having so much gear nerds

unequip a few items

make it fair on everyone else

[arctic walrus]

not until I outgear these nerds with even more gear

[odd heath]

go mechagnome

and u will always win

[arctic walrus]

i'll pass

[odd heath]

looks so bad tho

lol

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/brSPdx32KC3hdPG1CF8Apm even lower now

nice

[obtuse robin]

in need more

[odd heath]

bigger dif with bs ds

[echo geyser]

ah man im already sleeping with vigor

[cobalt pelican]

nobody plays that shit anyways

[echo geyser]

cant even imagine the regen without it

[odd heath]

bs ds only for simming, i just play with ep vig also

lol

[cobalt pelican]

simming with it is a smh just like wft simmers who play without wft

[echo geyser]

yeah

[violet jackal]

phase 2 last platform i cloak the haunting wave and phase 3 i cloak 1st platform and last platform arrow if i get it

[echo geyser]

i dont have windfury anymore, just simming to compare with these unethical venthyr bs deeper simmers

[cobalt pelican]

i pretty much always make sure i have cloak to precloak chains for intermission and during the wave on 2nd p2 burn for uptime rest is just do w/e feels best for you probably

[obtuse robin]

i dont have wft either but i keep it on otherwise i lose my shit if lower dps

im used to simming with it

[cobalt pelican]

just sim without it wtf it's not hard

[obtuse robin]

it breaks my brain idk

then i start simming in circles

[ebon notch]

with dashing, bs/ds is not bad at all

but ur necro so

legit i just pool for a few seconds and im full energy

never drop envenom buff or ur fucked

[drowsy parcel]

i save cloak on p2 2nd burn to have it just in case i get 3rd arrow in p3 to not have to jump twice

which i tend to get a lot for some reason

[cobalt pelican]

isn't the 3rd arrow always on ranged

[odd heath]

no

i got it some times also

[cobalt pelican]

guess i'm blessed then

been through that shit a billion times and it's always on a moonkin or some shit

[brazen zodiac]

welcome to my world lmfao

[obtuse robin]

noooo lol

[craggy basin]

when simming for soulrender would you do it as hectic add cleave?

[toxic quail]

thanks man

[brazen zodiac]

you can cloak the arrows in p3 off?

[drowsy parcel]

no, but the third arrow on the first set has a nasty overlap with the soaks on the platform you jump to

[brazen zodiac]

ah

[drowsy parcel]

so you have to jump early and go to the next platform in order to not die/get knocked off

[brazen zodiac]

i see

[marble magnet]

why is a thing

[spice spire]

Sometimes ur angery chief

[balmy condor]

[spice spire]

And sometimes

Ur exsangery

[balmy condor]

I like that it's spelled wrong

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

I'm sure whoever added it did it on purpose

after the meme

with the vegetal

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

right

[craggy basin]

where is the cloakable list pin at?

[spice spire]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[craggy basin]

thank you

[spice spire]

No worries king

[balmy condor]

😓

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

have to do that

so lazy

fuck

[drifting cloud]

is the dumb guid wa dispell nowhere on wago or what, I feel for every rogue that fails the shadowstep

when 1 simple wa makes the mechanic obsolete

[cobalt pelican]

i still have my old guid one just on load never

not tested it since though

[drifting cloud]

it just works for whatever reason

and with the wa the inner guy doesnt have to even watch where hes looking just make sure youre in md range

you can just sit on boss and do dam

[half tartan]

Does anyone else always get arrows phase 1 Sylvanas with the left right weakaura

[cobalt pelican]

https://wago.io/WBud-4KSY it's just this one but idk

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor Grats on Shadowblade

[cobalt pelican]

someone convince their guild to test it so i don't have to convince mine

[echo geyser]

Legendary

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

[cobalt pelican]

where that from

is he smart person or stupid person

[drifting cloud]

hes smart

its my gm, and weve been using it on farm

[cobalt pelican]

wtf

give me yours then

is it on his wago page

[drifting cloud]

I dont have it

[cobalt pelican]

namaste