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burnt star
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not insanely better, but still better

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i have 45% crit, right now

arctic hare
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Different gear, don't forget that lol

burnt star
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depends on everyone

balmy condor
arctic hare
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I have 37% crit

burnt star
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still rocking a 246 weapon x-x

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246/233

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game doesnt like me

arctic hare
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Still rocking a 226/220

burnt star
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err... stop slacking!

gusty mirage
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just loot the items guys

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its not that hard jeez

weak crescent
arctic hare
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I'm notttttttt lol

weak crescent
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finnaly joined the 10k club xD

arctic hare
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Well, yes, yes I am, but meh

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Been pushin all valor I grab into this new dagger I've gotten to upgrade to 246 eventually

gusty mirage
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don't worry you can get korthian daggers in 9.1.5

burnt star
gusty mirage
burnt star
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like any 252 dagger from cache would be better

gusty mirage
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it's a figment of our collective imaginations

arctic hare
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Indeed

burnt star
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meanwhile. a shammy in my party had the 5th weapon choice in his cache

gusty mirage
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does that shaman complain that they can't get loot

burnt star
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doing 10 key everyweeek

gusty mirage
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cuz I know a guy like that

burnt star
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hes 251

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lol

gusty mirage
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yeah this guy I know is 250 and complains about not getting loot

burnt star
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missing 2 252 piece ish

gusty mirage
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has the best gear in the guild what

burnt star
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all my loot are traded 😉

alpine latch
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I'm sitting at 4 dungeons a week from here on out

burnt star
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thank god loot counncil

alpine latch
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Not grinding 10... eff that

gusty mirage
arctic hare
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Loot council, ew, stupid

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Sounds grosssssss

burnt star
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its not

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tbh

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not giving a piece of loot to someone who will gain 10 dps over someone who will gain 90

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u know

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😉

alpine latch
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I've traded almost everything that I've gotten in raid, but we also haven't gotten Gloves/Helm/Shoulders at all so I'm just getting useless shit

burnt star
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or someone rolling for it.. then realising its a lost

arctic hare
gusty mirage
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I droptimize everytime I get a new piece so I know if something is worth "needing" on

alpine latch
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We got our first shoulders like a week ago

gusty mirage
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pieces I do need aren't tradeable

alpine latch
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No leather gloves from Eye yet

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Only 1 cloth helm

gusty mirage
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but look at these FAT gloves I got last night boys:

alpine latch
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We've gotten like 6 mounts from The Nine though

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Or whoever drops it

arctic hare
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That must be whats stealin yo loot

gusty mirage
arctic hare
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FATTTTTTT

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Even crit main, jeeeeeeeeeez

gusty mirage
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5 eye kills and it had to be traded to me kekg

balmy condor
gusty mirage
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I'm a +15 strength gamer

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because being stronger means I hit harder

uneven hamlet
wide ridge
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ah just saw your comment

hollow escarp
hollow river
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imagine seeing the loot you need at all coolpanda

rocky pecan
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I got nerzul dagernfor tmog so my day is good

tough skiff
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dashing or doom for M+ ?

wind totem
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zoldyck

alpine garden
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252 bottled flayedwing Sadcatthumb

dark token
deep solstice
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I'm seeing very few sin rogues play theotar even tho he sims on par or even slightly ahead of nadija. There a mechanical reason I am missing for that, or just most people holding theotar for sub ?

dark token
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i hold theotar for keys

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or sub

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also nadija has op defensive traits

deep solstice
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Have you met theotar? lol

dark token
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this is pretty bonkers for raid

deep solstice
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it does wayyyyy less than gift from theotar

dark token
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sure in throughput but this helps save your ass

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theotar is a tiny passive raid healing to other people

deep solstice
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You can die with frost set on ? o.0

dark token
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it doesnt actually save you in any way

deep solstice
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Tiny? Does like 700 hps

dark token
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its also to allies and not to you

deep solstice
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Ya, and how are you dieing as a rogue to anything that a bigger healthstone saves you from? o.0

dark token
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i value a stronger emergency cooldown rather than hps throughput

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because no boss is really throughput based at this point in tier

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i dont die

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but its ncie to make your emergency cooldown stronger in case you need it?

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i dont get your logic

deep solstice
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4k bubble to every healer every time a mechanic goes out is big imo

dark token
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healthstones have saved my ass plenty

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accidentally hit by ball spawner in fatescribe? healthstone

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saves your cheat death or your life

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far far higher real world value than 700 raid hps

deep solstice
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idk, I just rarely find myself in a situation where that is necessary

dark token
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yeah but when you do it saves your ass

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lmao

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that sthe point

deep solstice
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I mean, so does vial + health pot

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or just feint

dark token
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feint is a preemptive cooldown not a reactive cooldown

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vial isnt instant

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health pot also works with the trait

deep solstice
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ya but there is very little damage that you cant predict in this raid

dark token
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correct

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but you arent understanding

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this trait saves you from dying sometimes

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theotar does not

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any death prevented is infinitely more value

deep solstice
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And I am saying I basically never have needed it to, whereas giving my healers more effictive HP has saved raid wipes.

dark token
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highly doubt token of appreciate ever saves a raid wipe compared to not dying

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dying is generally more impactful than a 2k sheild

deep solstice
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4k shield

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on every healer

dark token
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3k

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but ok

deep solstice
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or other player that uses a raid buff

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It's affected by vers

dark token
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yes and its factored into the tooltip

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watch me equip vers pants

deep solstice
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On KT where the only value from it is the 1 time per 3 minutes where it is needed.

dark token
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let me ask you this

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do you use cheat death or leaching poison in raid

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or soothing darkness if you play sub

deep solstice
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cheat, because I can use cheat offensively if I choose to

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Or defensively if I do happen to mess up

dark token
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but perfect play means u never need cheat wdym

deep solstice
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No you can literally eat a mechanic with cheat to ignore a mechanic

alpine garden
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Cheat a mechanic for more deeps

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Yeah

deep solstice
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cheat is literally a dps gain

dark token
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i dont think there is a mechanic you can eat with cheat that you cant eat with feitn in this raid

alpine garden
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"Oh you hit me for infinite damage if I stand here and keep stabbing you? Well guess again!"

dark token
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on some bosses like in tomb of sargeras sure

deep solstice
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feint is a dps loss

dark token
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lets be real tho, the real reason you take cheat 95% of the time is to save your ass if you make a mistake right?

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offensive usage is very minimal

balmy condor
dark token
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same thing with this trait vs theotar

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with perfect play you dont "need it"

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its useful to save you in situations where you otherwise die

balmy condor
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Fatescribe runes commonly Just rip through cheat

dark token
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hence way more real world useful

halcyon zealot
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yo whisp does the recuperator conduit continually proc shard of zed or

deep solstice
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idk, I have rarely found myself in a situation where a larger health pot/stone would have made a real diff, but token healing is a free 3-5k on demand absorb for anyone in the raid.

dark token
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i mean nadija also just sims higher dps for me too so

deep solstice
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The one that made me really question it is 40 sec sim. Trying to optimize for KT down phase....theotar is like 500 dps ahead. And, for me at least, simming about 10 dps ahead on 5 min sim as well.

oblique parcel
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Blindside/Deeper is simming almost 200 dps better for me on pure ST, but when i play it i do way worse than ep/vigor

deep solstice
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I think it is in large part due to 3x potency. But nadija sim can be kinda bait anyway since a lot of dps is baked into euphoria / flaw which rarely align with cds. Especially on KT where you're afk for ages.

oblique parcel
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Any playstyle difference i need to change?

deep solstice
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Blindside just doesnt get all that much value on a lot of bosses this tier. And almost none on Sylv.

balmy condor
wary ice
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@gusty mirage hey my fellow assassination rogue how are you :^)

drowsy hollow
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So, for a TYPICAL M+ pull, is Tempest nerfed a bit actually?

subtle tundra
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pretty sure no numbers are mentioned

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or am i dumb?

soft shale
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no numbers yet yes if they aura nerf the dot will be impacted

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if they dont the dot will not be impacted

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same as deadly poison

subtle tundra
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if anything, sub loses more than assa

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so fk em

halcyon zealot
soft shale
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sub may not lose that much aoe damage is secret tech is uncapped like it seems on patch notes

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but who knows right now just sit and wait

oblique parcel
drowsy hollow
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It'll depend on the scaling

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if it's all square root, then eh...

deep solstice
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Ya guardian should be about as close to 5 min patchwerk sim as you are ever going to get. idk

oak sky
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"Even on guardian its doing way worse?"

winter gale
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Raiding assassins are mostly Venthyr or Necro?

brazen zodiac
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@obtuse robin hi black!

winter gale
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I got back to the game after 2 months (got a child, not blizz stuff reasons :D) so I would like to get back on track.

bleak sky
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guild found a tank, I'm not in tank prison anymore peepoHappy

peak bobcat
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is Doomblade my best option until i get frost shards?

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if i have max unholy

drowsy hollow
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So rogue is KINDA squishy so it's tough to test

oblique parcel
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Mythic Guardian

drowsy hollow
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but I think going from 4 to 6 targets on FOK is 3% less per target hit.

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The more targets you hit the less each FOK hit does

oblique parcel
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Am i supposed to envenom at 4 cp in shiv windows or something?

plain thistle
oblique parcel
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No

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With deeper

plain thistle
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max -1 like normal

oblique parcel
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Then i dont understand

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even these two sims there is only 1 more cast of envenom in 5 minutes with vigor

oak sky
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If you do less damage with bs/ds when it sims higher then you aren't playing optimally

drowsy hollow
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I think with about 10 targets I am actually getting like 40% less per hit. That sounds like sqrt scaling?

plain thistle
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not sure if you can compare that way since 5 min sim isnt exactly 5min

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there is variance

oblique parcel
oak sky
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Might not be pooling enough

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Dunno

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Someone like cev would probably have a better idea

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Its ok to play ep vigor anyway though

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If you do more damage with it its not like its a huge sim loss

deep solstice
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The only fight with a real dps check is sylv anyway. And you never run blindside on her.

oblique parcel
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Then we stay with vigor

dark token
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it does imo

oak sky
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Literally as a RL just play for comfort then

drowsy hollow
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have we always been able to hearth while stealthed?

oak sky
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Its not important enough to lose damage from playing it worse

deep solstice
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I mean just look at logs anyway. Almost no one is playing BS/DS. Sometimes simdps just doesnt translate well to fights.

oak sky
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People are mostly lazy imo but yeah

oblique parcel
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Alright thanks bois

deep solstice
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Guardian is the only boss in the raid where a meaningful number of people play DS/BS, and it does perform there....but every other boss in the raid is 1% or less.

oak sky
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Other bosses it's mostly strictly worse

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Pretty much anything with multitarget ep vigor does better

deep solstice
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Ya, you need a proportionally long execute phase for BS to get value

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most bosses have very short execute phases this tier

drowsy hollow
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good graph posted in sub channel

rose narwhal
deep solstice
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Today in dev history: We are adjusting hourly to your whims and demands. Please do not yell at us.

oak sky
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Does this mean outlaw is actually fucked in this build

kind talon
wintry mica
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wait how is that build any worse for outlaw, everyone elses damage is scaling down after 5 targets instead of 8 like its supposed to be

kind talon
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No

oak sky
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I mean the eventual build

kind talon
wintry mica
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oh you just mean in general lol

kind talon
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It’s scaled after 8

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Not 5

oak sky
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But like outlaw could still get stuff later so it isnt doomed

wintry mica
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i thought you were talking specifically about the current ptr build

ashen fulcrum
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Do we presume crimson tempest dot to be affected by scaling or just the initial hit?

kind talon
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We don’t know yet

wintry mica
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it would be pretty stupid for it to only scale the initial damage though

ashen fulcrum
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Big sin stocks if not

wintry mica
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we can prayge for that though lmao

oak sky
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I mean

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I'm down

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Still think outlaw will get something

wintry mica
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yea as long as they are compensated somehow

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its not like a rule that outlaw has to be the go to aoe spec

oak sky
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But it is a rule that you can't uncap all but 1 spec

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Or it should be

wintry mica
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yea, but its probably the same thinking with monk

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if they uncap it they will have to nerf something else about outlaw

brazen zodiac
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hi rayray

ashen fulcrum
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Just scale BF to 8 targets imo

wintry mica
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hello

brazen zodiac
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how are u

wintry mica
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not too bad, just waiting for next tuesday for another chance at the gear i want lol

brazen zodiac
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same >.<

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i am excited to kill soulrender tonight

wintry mica
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good luck, maybe youll get a belt 2ez

brazen zodiac
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hopefully the lords bless me

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we got to like 20 or 22% last night qq

wintry mica
rough yew
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hey guys outlaw player here who knows nothing about the other specs - how come edge of night is not good for assassins?

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it's disgustingly good for outlaw

oak sky
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Its good but less op good

wintry mica
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its still good for us

rough yew
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but my guild leader just simmed and his 242 and 246 daggers > two edge of nights

oak sky
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Were they 233?

wintry mica
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I think its because we dont spend as many CP as the other specs? but whispyr probably has a better idea

rough yew
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246 233 and 220

oak sky
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220 edge of night is kinda bad

wintry mica
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for sin its usually only worth like 6 ilvls in the OH or so

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I also assume deeper daggers is part of why its op on sub

oak sky
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Yeah p sure its deeper daggers+ finishers

rough yew
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thank you guys

kind talon
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Yes it’s because sin spends way less cps

balmy condor
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More up to date 9.1.5 PTR Pin that I will update as we get closer. Still ptr, things will change

CT and Fok hit all targets, reduced past 8 targets (its 5 atm, dev tweet said it will go to 8). This is a pure buff to our damage, and is especially potent from CT/Deadly poison hitting everything. Our guess right now is that dot damage will not be reduced, since it’s difficult to implement.

No tuning changes yet, we don’t have sims yet, things are subject to change. Yes I will sim and update everything once we get numbers, everything is feelcraft right now and we simply do not know. “Is X better now” questions will be referred to this paragraph.

Legion m+ stuff - basically just court of stars ring for auto damage. We don’t know if it works yet. We don’t know if they’ll tune it at all.

Best thing to do as “prep” for 9.1.5 is get your renown for venthyr and necro as these are the two best covenants as of now.

balmy condor
fiery mauve
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Night fae buff when

wintry mica
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thanks Whispyr

limber lion
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thanks Whispyr

oak sky
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Thank mr whispyr

fiery mauve
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thanks Whispyr

oak sky
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Love that this change is just gonna buff everybody

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Fun stuff

wintry mica
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sin stonk if it actually isnt scaling the dot

fiery mauve
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No reason to believe dot will scale peeposhrug

wintry mica
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yea but wed cast that shit in aoe if it did 0 upfront damage so this is poghypers

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im ready for 5 cp from every fok

brisk garnet
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Uncapped CT with no dot reduction is gonna be wild isn't it?

wintry mica
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free renown 40 on alts is kinda nice

fiery mauve
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Ya right fuck that that’s 500g

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My alt can suffer

nimble tartan
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bro i wish they did these alt changes rn my alts in limbo..

gusty mirage
gusty mirage
drowsy hollow
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That's the true poggers

wintry mica
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yea I was hoping we just got max renown in all covenants on the main but 40 is better than nothing

brazen zodiac
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i look forward to trying out nerco

wintry mica
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im looking forward to kyrian

brazen zodiac
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im looking forward ot all

fiery mauve
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Kyrian assass uglyassdog2

drowsy hollow
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What does the Kyrian leggo even do? isn't it dps neutral?

fiery mauve
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Kyrian leggo is the shit

wintry mica
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it charges all of our cp instead of just 1

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so you get like 5 empowered finishers i think?

balmy condor
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4

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2,3,4,5

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It’s about as strong as obedience

wintry mica
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what about kyrian leggo 7 cp nightstalker rupture with exsang

balmy condor
wintry mica
drifting cloud
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thats the secret scriptures

balmy condor
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Well actually I think resounding doesn’t keep up on sin

wintry mica
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yea ill probably just use it to fuck around in torg since it seems really fun in there

drowsy hollow
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oh, didn't realize that's how it worked

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the wording was weird

ashen fulcrum
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do you any of yall think crit is gonna have any measurable loss in value in aoe without the target cap?

fiery mauve
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I think crit is cool

ashen fulcrum
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me too, man

fiery mauve
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I’m just a pepega though

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So I wait til the orange people tell me

ashen fulcrum
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true wisdom

halcyon zealot
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whole world stops when whispyr drops a pin 🙏

fiery mauve
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I would imagine mastery haste will have more value though

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So yes prob

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Poisons everywhere

drowsy hollow
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I dream of a world where Master Poisoner becomes good for M+ 😄

oak sky
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Gonna have to wait for actual values and sims probably

drowsy hollow
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oh I know

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I just love poisons for sin rogue

oak sky
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I meant for stat prio

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Big doubt on master poisoner being good but anything can happen

full tendon
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Is unholy set at least decent?

strange python
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for me it sims the best in Dungeon Silce

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but i cant be arsed to minmax that much

full tendon
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Not like you even get the bonus in a dungeon

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Just wondering since frost just isn't dropping for me apparently

strange python
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i started with frost, gonna upgrade frost till the end

oak sky
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Unholy is decent but it definitely isnt recommended to put all your embers into it

full tendon
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Oh, def won't

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Just wondering

solid mica
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anyone know the uptime used on movement patchwerk for PB?

arctic walrus
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@balmy condor is crit tea theotar actually better than nad

wintry mica
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you can sim it

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its 10 dps higher for me

strange python
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Trying to get above blue on KT when I'm on far tank add solo kick/stun feels so bad. And every phylac

wintry mica
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do yall not have ranged interrupts lol

brazen zodiac
strange python
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Cant get back to boss in time to kill silence field guys :(

wintry mica
brazen zodiac
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2 and done for me fk choreghast

wintry mica
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ive had a lot more fun with it when i stopped running layer 12

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still only 2 a week tho lol

brazen zodiac
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ah

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i just do layer 12 to get the soul cinders

wintry mica
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yea i figure it doesnt matter to be slightly behind on cinders now that we already have a couple 262s

brazen zodiac
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my obedience and zoldyk are still 235 ;p

wintry mica
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same i actually have the cinders but havent decided what to 262 next lol

halcyon zealot
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well atleast in 9.1.5 we will get full ash and cinders for reclears

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idk why thats not something they can hotfix or push on a reset though

brazen zodiac
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yeah sims keep saying obedience but heart tells me zoldyk

wintry mica
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same

halcyon zealot
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i would play zoldyck in keys personally, especially since most specs front load their burst/cds, by the time mobs in a pack hit the 30% point CDs are starting to fall and youre just starting to ramp

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but if u have both at 235 just play with both and see what one you like better, (hint, i doubt youll even notice much of a difference)

brazen zodiac
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idk maybe cause i had lashing enhanced in theo obedience feels better

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but i tried lethal with obi and it felt meh

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this week also just feels like shit voerall

wintry mica
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lol yea

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i tried dashing a bit last week and it was okay

brazen zodiac
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haha i did that too and it felt awful as fuck

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i think im just not using shiv enough overall. ur supposedto just prema press it and act like its a buff moreso than an ability no?

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even if ur not evonoming as much?

wintry mica
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yea even in aoe you can basically just slam it on cd

brazen zodiac
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ah

balmy condor
void pecan
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I'm excited to actually be able to farm my legendaries

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I've been SUPER lazy

half tartan
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Finally made it to the princess queen! Anyone have any first pull advice ❤️

wintry mica
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just kill her

half tartan
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Thanks

halcyon zealot
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throw a knife at the chains in p1 to proc ur frost shard and pad damage and feel good abt ur self

strange python
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So many bosses this tier feel so fucking bad to try and parse on jeez

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Painsmith, kt, fate

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Soulrender

oak sky
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Tarragrue OMEGAKEKW

wintry mica
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depends how long your raid will let you reroll lol

oak sky
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Tbh might as well just try the next week

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And then your opener gets feared

brazen zodiac
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tips on soulrender rq plz

balmy condor
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Run CT

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Maybe dot 2 if your raid is slow

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Save cloak for an ugly chain break

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Especially yours

brazen zodiac
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3rd chain gang gang

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should i throw rupture on big man add and just tunnel boss or full switch on it

balmy condor
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You can hard swap the big add

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Sin is pretty good at overlord damage

brazen zodiac
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and when you say dot im assuming either gar or rupture?

tough skiff
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Why Dashing is more popular than Doomblade?

brazen zodiac
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and i know u get this question so much i cant find it on the faq but i see mixed answers so i wanna hear urs. do u cast CT when shiv is on cd in st?

fiery mauve
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If using dashing no

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It’s a small dps gain otherwise

fiery mauve
inner chasm
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I have a question

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why is it that when I simc myself with the shadow and frost set. the sims say the frost set is bad and I should use shadow

wintry mica
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if they are the same rank you probably have low crit

oak sky
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Yeah frost set gains value with higher set bonus rank, crit, and ilvl

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What you should probably do is run unholy until you can get the gear to make frost sim better

wintry mica
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yea just dont dump a bunch of embers into unholy set

inner chasm
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what gear is that ?

wintry mica
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theres no hard rule, but most people end up with 40%+ crit

oak sky
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It should pull ahead way before that

wintry mica
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true

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it did for me at least

oak sky
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You just need to add crit gear, and keep simming

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Whenever the sim gets higher for frost you commit to it

wintry mica
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man im finally reading the recent notes and it sounds like 9.1.5 is actually going to be alt friendly

brazen zodiac
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im hyped

oak sky
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Cant wait to play monk

inner chasm
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easy there happy pepe

wintry mica
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easy leggos, easy renown, easy korthia for 233 weps

inner chasm
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it might not be good

oak sky
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I like the class

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Doesnt need to be broken for me to play monk

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I played this spec in 9.0 lol

wintry mica
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lol

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you were braver than I was

oak sky
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I was a noob

wintry mica
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I didnt make it through the maw intro on my rogue before I swapped mains

brazen zodiac
#

17%

bleak sky
#

@plain thistle CONGRATZ ON CE

brazen zodiac
#

QQQQ

bleak sky
#

WITH A FUCKING DAGGER

#

WHAT A CHAD

plain thistle
#

still missing heroic dagger tho

bleak sky
#

FUCK HEROIC DAGGER YOU GOT THE CHAD ONE

plain thistle
#

that 50% wipe, it was 8.3k dps pepe_sad

bleak sky
#

oof

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now you gotta get the bis mount too

plain thistle
#

still did 9.5k dps p3 tho

bleak sky
#

pretty pog dps

#

damage where it matters amirite fella

hollow river
obtuse robin
#

do i lose tea if i swap specs even tho they both on theo soulbind

hollow river
#

afaik you lose it if the soulbind switches but idk

ebon notch
hollow river
#

^

wintry mica
hollow river
#

oo

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glad i've been saving them

#

need to start levelling my alts up just in case you have to do legion m+ for the new sets

#

hopefully there's another way to get them

wintry mica
#

i think its a new thing you have to buy for the korthia armaments so yea im savin up stygia

hollow river
#

I haven’t has anything to spend my stygia on since the chisel so I’m good there

#

Need to finish up my tier 6 codex though

obtuse robin
ebon notch
#

hahaha

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bro p1 sylvanas

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i was fucking murdering the boss

#

felt so good

#

one of our boomies fucked up their ramp and i out ramped them

#

joining my venthyr bros at the top of the meter

obtuse robin
#

ok it worked u dont lose ur tea if multple specs on theo

ebon notch
wild beacon
obtuse robin
#

testing during prog

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lts go

ebon notch
#

bro with frost set you actually can ramp tho

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every 20 seconds pepeBASS

balmy condor
#

@slow marsh

image0.png
#

You can’t hide from me

slow marsh
#

LMAO OOPS

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I tried

bleak sky
#

Whispyr's watching

spice spire
#

he wants to raise the hammer

balmy condor
#

I had a ping but the message was gone

spice spire
#

speak of scaling once and it's threatened

#

smh

balmy condor
#

But now

slow marsh
#

I forgot he has the disc super powers now

balmy condor
#

With my new infinity stone

#

I am all seeing

slow marsh
#

More like

spice spire
#

bet you can't see dn rn

ebon notch
#

dont hurt me whisp pepehands

slow marsh
fathom flax
#

So with current aoe its
8x100% for 8 and 0% for everything after for a total of 800%
After the change will it be 8x100 then reducing every target after, so for instance it’s 91%? I think for a 9th target for a total of 891% or
Will it go back and change it to 91% for every target as it knows it’s going to hit 9 for 9x91 for a total of 819%?

ebon notch
#

@balmy condor there are too many numbers here help

fathom flax
#

That’s maybe not the best way to express the question haha
Will the client calculate how many targets are to be hit and then adjust damage for a total so every target is hit evenly or will it adjust it dynamically and every target past the soft cap will receive incrementally less damage

dawn ivy
#

it will more than likely hit every single target for 91%

obtuse robin
#

the post has the exact numbers

fathom flax
spice spire
#

is it think about the poison damage brother

dawn ivy
#

I personally dont mind

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as long as we're not capped anymore im happy

fathom flax
#

We Don’t know if poison or ct will be scaled tho?

dawn ivy
#

i think sqrt scaling would have been a very good choice from the beginning and people wouldnt have lost their mind

fathom flax
#

If we can aoe dot for full damage that’s mint haha

dawn ivy
#

poisons cant be scaled

spice spire
#

Ct obviously comes with some drawbacks on like 8 packs, but how often will you be doing only 8.

dawn ivy
#

CT will probably be scaled

spice spire
#

even with drs, Ct will be pretty sauce.

#

And yeah poison isn't an aoe ability.

#

This just allows us to spread it better, tbh

dawn ivy
#

but no shot blizzard takes the time to sit down and scale our poison applications from fok

obtuse robin
#

and ct

#

bleed

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both no shot

oak sky
#

solid 75 on my fatescribe kill

#

lets go

#

got the hat

#

got the hat

#

got the hat

brazen zodiac
#

hi black

ebon notch
oak sky
#

my only loot this week

#

i thought i was gonna miss raid

#

but i only missed half

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and it was all guardian reclear

#

then we wasted time with weaker players on fate

ebon notch
#

Gz bro big proud

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Enjoy KT

oak sky
#

HOLD

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@ebon notch ❤️

ebon notch
#

Nah kt is a little different from typical hold fight

#

There's some pretty tight syncing you have to so

#

Do*

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Which makes it like 0.5% better than your average hold fight

#

We you do don't volunteer to go downstairs cause your venthyr boomies can't consistently ramp properly :))))

oak sky
#

theres no boomies in the entire guild kekw

#

rogues definitely going down

ebon notch
#

Hope you have a few nightfae hunters

oak sky
#

2?

#

mayb

ebon thorn
#

saved

#

yes im late im eu and just woke up

ebon notch
#

Very pog not cringe

oak sky
#

time to go ct

#

for prog

ebon notch
#

You go CT for KT so

obtuse robin
oak sky
#

i meant on sylv

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but yeah

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@ebon notch you think its worth going pb if you go down though

#

with no moonkins i might

ebon notch
#

It won't make a difference

#

You're only down there for like 30s at a time

#

You can use CT to funnel frost damage into boss or adds or w.e

#

It's a boss you can legally pad on so go for it

fathom flax
#

Pad approved

sharp stump
#

Is it worthwhile playing CT on M soulrender over PB? We have ele shaman delete for the adds so would it be worthwhile to just pump damage into the boss and then the single aura guy who’s name I can’t remember with PB?

proper pendant
#

what lego u all playing this week? Zoldyck?

fallen arch
#

For m+? Always Zoldyck

proper pendant
#

i saw some juicer warlord and he said he just played doom blade into everything cause our job was Boss Damage anyways

fallen arch
#

Idk what a juicer warlord is but he’s wrong

proper pendant
#

idk he had like 2400 io

fallen arch
#

Zoldyck has value in literally everything in the dungeon

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Doomblade only works when you mut and envenom a lot

#

Which you don’t outside of boss fights on fortified weeks

fallen arch
proper pendant
#

never said he was always right

heavy coral
#

Can't wait till they datamine tier20 recolor

fiery mauve
#

Someone had posted this peeposhrug

image0.png
heavy coral
#

Holy, if its true OH_peepoS

gloomy stone
#

Will look garbage on my mechagnome anyways, like all sets do 🙈

fiery mauve
#

Alliance in this day and age

vestal wren
quaint briar
#

Secret Technique, as worded, seems like it's uncapped. Doesn't say that it deals reduced damage beyond 5 targets.

balmy condor
vestal wren
#

black powder, shuriken storm, fok, the initial ct hit will do less damage on 6-12 targets

balmy condor
#

How

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That reply is a screenshot to a dev tweet

#

which literally says if it’s 8 targets now

vestal wren
#

oh wait

balmy condor
#

It’s 8 targets in 9.1.5

vestal wren
#

i missread

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nvm

#

having it reduced over 8 makes a lot more sense

fathom flax
ebon thorn
#

oh yes

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i was worried theyd make fok and ct 5 target capped

tough canyon
ebon thorn
#

or soft-capped at 5

#

luckily they soft cap at 8

vestal wren
#

Sin 📈 in 9.1.5

tough canyon
#

Hope so sin ist fun with dashing winter >45% crit

oak sky
#

hopefully our tier set is even better in 9.2 👀

rocky pecan
#

did they confirm that tier set for 9.2 tho ?

tough canyon
#

Tbh Winds of Winter feels Like its a Rogue t-set

#

Only saw dh's and rogues use it

vestal wren
#

domination sets are somewhat like "tiersets light"

rocky pecan
#

the difference is tier set works everywhere

vestal wren
#

for me the big question is what happens to domination sets if they introduce tier sets

heady drum
#

they will naturally be disabled somehow

vestal wren
#

i don't think having both at the same time would work well

tough canyon
#

True but players who dont play the raid will cry again

ruby scroll
#

dont work outside maw and raid

vestal wren
#

and simply removing them is a big hit for player power

drowsy parcel
#

ion did confirm that tier sets are coming back "in our next adventure"

vestal wren
#

"hey players, you suddenly do 20% less damage in raid, you are welcome"

drowsy parcel
#

which should be 9.2

vestal wren
#

but we will know it soon enough tbh

rocky pecan
#

domi set will only work on maw torg and the actual raid

#

i mean nothing hard to do

#

juust nothing to change

vestal wren
#

yes, but this means the entire next raid tier will have players starting at a lower power level

rocky pecan
#

no

fallen arch
#

Yes

rocky pecan
#

you killed hc without set

fallen arch
#

No

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I didnt

vestal wren
#

losing the set bonus reduces your power level

rocky pecan
#

yes ofc

vestal wren
#

or do you think they will keep domination

rocky pecan
#

but you started this tier without

vestal wren
#

and have domination + tier set

rocky pecan
#

same for next tier you start with nothing than get tier set

fallen arch
#

Mayb they will make dom sets universal

#

Not only maw

heady drum
#

his point i think is that its not necessary to clear norm/hc?

rocky pecan
#

i mean it's just copy paste all time

vestal wren
#

but thats not how gear works

rocky pecan
#

it is increase item level from reward

#

from boss

#

prolly new area with maybe new reputation to grind

#

idk

vestal wren
#

player power raises over the duration of a tier and usually does not change significantly between tiers

rocky pecan
#

after who know where will be next raid

vestal wren
#

simply removing impactful systems after a tier means its getting reduced

rocky pecan
#

they can introduce another form of power tho

vestal wren
#

domination sets are around 15-20% dps, dissabling them means losing this power level

hollow river
#

They could just add 5 more ranks. But I don’t see that working well with impactful tier sets

#

Unless everything gets tuned up

rocky pecan
#

why add 5 More ranks ? oO

heady drum
#

remove domination shitshards please for the love of god

hollow river
#

I don’t mind the shards that much

heady drum
#

i will gladly lose 15% dps if I can stop using them

hollow river
#

O.o

vestal wren
#

my point is, its unusual to lose this much power between tiers

hollow river
#

Every rogue spec is relevant atm thanks to shards

heady drum
#

isnt that even more reason to hate them?

rocky pecan
#

you already loose this power

vestal wren
#

just look at legion or bfa, you never went out of a tier and lost 20% dps

hollow river
#

Yeah I get what you mean

rocky pecan
#

in the same tier

#

raid you have mm+ it's disable

hollow river
#

That’s anti character progression

rocky pecan
#

you already see this actually

#

and did that chock you ?

hollow river
#

Kinda yeah

vestal wren
#

you never had them working in m+

rocky pecan
#

y

#

so actually you already loose bonus set

#

50% of your time

#

or more

vestal wren
#

no?

hollow river
#

Individual shards are still very good

#

And you received shards passively through raid

grave palm
#

Alot of builds run poison bomb, is there a reason Crimson tempest isn't better? :o. Seems Poison bomb doesn't proc a ton for me? 😮

hollow river
#

Which most of us do anyway

hollow river
#

It’s an aoe dot

vestal wren
#

i get your agrument, but you seem to miss my point

rocky pecan
#

fuu how they do expac before this one ?

#

what i missed sir ?

hollow river
#

Corruptions

#

Infinite grind

rocky pecan
#

corruption was end of xpac

vestal wren
#

they had no tier that lost you damage in bfa 😉

hollow river
#

I don’t think they’ve ever had one where you lost damage

#

But I’m a noob

vestal wren
#

tier sets worked cross tier

#

so you never lost them

rocky pecan
#

yep never cauz before we got tier set and we changed tier set every tier but we started raid with a tier set

hollow river
#

The tier sets will just have to be so good that they’ll replace shards sets

rocky pecan
#

yep

#

i agree fuu

vestal wren
#

and they always sucessively added power level

#

the closest you had to this was eternal palace

rocky pecan
#

but actually with gems they dont have tons of solution

vestal wren
#

when you had the pearl gear, but that gear did not opt that much dps

rocky pecan
#

they completely remove cauz next raid is imagine at maldraxxus

#

so gems dont work

#

or they put gems work everywhere

#

(possible tho)

brazen zodiac
vestal wren
#

that is the discussion topic

rocky pecan
#

y sorry

vestal wren
#

the problem is just losing out power feels bad

#

so will be interesting to see how they handle that

#

maybe they just give us the chance to use 2 legendary powers

hollow river
#

They could very easily make up some lore that makes shards work everywhere

#

Imo

rocky pecan
#

personnaly the more easier would be to let gems work everywhere and for see power increase make tier set really strong

vestal wren
#

they could probably just merge those in a signature item you use

#

but who knows

fathom flax
#

Or just make new raid in another maw zone

brazen zodiac
#

hi orrock

#

i started using theo

fathom flax
#

It’s different though! It’s on the other side

brazen zodiac
#

feels nice

vestal wren
#

i mean we will fight the jailer likely, so could still be in maw

hollow river
#

Yep

#

Could be in korthia

brazen zodiac
#

i dont see why it'd be in korthia tbh

#

considering korthia's being pulled into the maw haha

rocky pecan
#

or not in SL area 🙂

hollow river
#

I mean why did the jailer pull korthia to the maw

brazen zodiac
#

uhh something something more power something something something pissed at the guardians

#

i think but dont quote

fathom flax
#

@brazen zodiac I have become such a low effort gamer atm I just raid log and take raid spec with consumables to a 15 straight after

brazen zodiac
#

haha

#

honestly i feel like my damages has slightly decreased? not sure tbh

fathom flax
#

He pulled in korthia so he could get the maldraxxus sigil and we could deliver it to him but that didn’t matter because we just made new ones

brazen zodiac
#

like i some new pieces of gear

vestal wren
#

i mean if you got your phial there is usually not that much incentive to go for 3 m+ chests

brazen zodiac
#

uhh idk

#

i also just like doing keys haha

fathom flax
#

Yeah my droptimizer is looking really slim haha

vestal wren
#

time for timewalking m+ so we get some new items to farm 😛

brazen zodiac
#

xd

#

still trying to get spider lady ring from plaguefall

#

cause apparently mythic nine ring shit

#

:C

fathom flax
#

I did quite a few plaguefalls with nothing, then got phial then ring then TOP ring in 3 runs

#

Was a very happy booiiiioiiii

brazen zodiac
#

TOP ring?

#

i thought sylv and spider lady ring was bis >.<

#

im runnin with blood oath sign and the nine with a socket but i didnt peep the need for crit more than haste with the frost f

fathom flax
#

Bloodoath is haste/crit

brazen zodiac
#

yeah just more heavy haste than crit

fathom flax
#

Also crit/mast from top is better for m+ than haste ideally

#

I’m at like 1250? Crit and haste 1:1 sims higher

brazen zodiac
#

im honestly so shocked that the weathered tailsman sims lower than interplaner

#

damn thats a lot of crit for m+

#

im at 920 crit, 739 haste, and 315 mastery

#

maybe i need more hm

hollow river
#

Yeah I never even rolled on kt neck because I didn’t think it was “BiS”

#

Now I’m trying to get one

fathom flax
#

@hollow river odd because my 252 nerzhul sims higher than 246 KT

hollow river
#

Still got over 1k dps to get in there somewhere

#

And yeah M nerzuls sims higher for me too by a tiny margin

#

But I don’t have that either

#

I’ve gotten like 3 mythic drops that’s it

fathom flax
#

I don’t have r5 frost or r6 codex for sockets

hollow river
#

Ah

fathom flax
#

I slept through a heroic clear on the weekend and now I’m like 10 short 🙂 🙂 🙂

hollow river
#

Damn

#

I’m gonna rank up blood next

#

Still got a couple weeks to go

brazen zodiac
#

@fathom flax my guild does fresh heroic like the 11:01 am lmfao when the servers open on tuesday if u wanna come

#

i like to get my embers asap cause upgrades haha

#

plus sylv dagger 🥺

#

.<

brazen zodiac
#

@obtuse robin i got the ring :D

#

and another domina dagger. got that shit 2 days in a row yet can't get the fuckin voracious from SD after runnin it 40 times. go figure lmfao.

quasi venture
#

@balmy condor you killed pain yet?peepolove

fathom flax
#

@brazen zodiac I’m a filthy Australian so that would be like 2-3am Wednesday for me haha
Thanks though

brazen zodiac
#

rip

pseudo hamlet
brazen zodiac
#

u bring tear to my eye

#

:D

fathom flax
#

I’m also proving it atm

quasi venture
#

Pain is fairly fun

rocky pecan
#

i like pain fight tho

#

way more fun than guardian

limber lion
#

Painsmith is one of my favorite fights this instance.

rocky pecan
#

yup

#

he is awesome

#

pain / rokalo

#

are fun

brazen zodiac
#

i'm super excited to get to painsmith.

#

he's so fun lol.

reef axle
#

So is our melee suppose to be this high or am i not envenoming enough? granted crit is like 44%

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rocky pecan
#

it's normal

limber lion
#

But for realskies, there is no such thing as "too few" or "too many" Envenom casts. It's our filler finisher, sometimes you use it more, sometimes less.

reef axle
#

so having high melee damage is fine i assume 😛

sonic schooner
#

1cp envenom smashing peepohappy

limber lion
#

Yes sir.

rocky pecan
#

before frost set i assume melee was first

#

almost all fight

spice spire
untold nest
rocky pecan
#

the only way for do 1 cp is to garrot right ? xd so 1 cp every 6sec

#

not sure you do more envenom with 1 cp in 5 min fight length xd

tacit wedge
rocky pecan
#

oh true!

#

what i could do without you you prolly master 1cp finisher gang xd

tacit wedge
#

Fatfinger BtE with 1CP is my passion

winged basin
#

If I link my Soulrender logs from last night can you guys roast me so something awakens me and I play better? I feel like I was totally off my game

#

Light my ass up boys. CONSTRUCTIVELY.

violet jackal
#

I’m on phone and still laying down but I was darting for your shiv and vendetta timings to see if they were precisely! used on cool down

rocky pecan
#

remember to press agi pot when you can tho

#

you delayed vendetta due to dance ? @winged basin ?

winged basin
#

Possibly? I’d have to go back and look. I tend to cloak the first dance so I can bust but I might have had to use cloak early that pull

rocky pecan
#

i might be wrong

unknown.png
#

your dmg on boss are good tho

#

with the kill time you seems to go for

#

i think if you dont delay vendetta you can do vendetta 5 time

#

what chain you do ?

winged basin
#

Set 2 chain 1

#

In case you are wondering, we don’t lust til like 4:19

rocky pecan
#

oh yeah true im not fan of that method but well prolly a reason

winged basin
#

I’m not either, but it’s “smoother for our group” I guess

#

I’m in the process of applying elsewhere just still haven’t found a new home 🙃

spice spire
brazen zodiac
#

@obtuse robin

unknown.png
#

im screaming

#

tonight was a GOOD NIGHT INDEED.

winged basin
spice spire
#

I also think looking at soulrender timings can be a bit off since the dance really fucks with shiv timings specifically

winged basin
#

I am actually sad, I’ve needed to leave for weeks now, but everytime I go to leave I decide not to. I feel stuck here

spice spire
#

Logs seem fine overall - big issue comes into pad damage for the boss. I looked at the best pull and your damage was decent

#

7.3k boss damage is a little low

#

But can be skewed by many factors on a wipe

#

Parsing on that fight is 100000000% add damage - otherwise you’ll be hardstuck purple

winged basin
#

Yeah our brand placement is often less then to be desirable, I also don’t know if I should be beating up boss and just keeping CT on adds or if I should be pumping into adds, with a frost dk and 2 monks like we had last night its hard to pad

#

They just make the adds go boom when brands are correct

fallen arch
#

Which is fine cos objective one is kill boss, not pad on adds

spice spire
#

Nah oz - 1000000000% pad damage. Anyone else stealing it is inting ANGERY

#

But yeah like you said. Honestly, a monk alone with a chi ji proc will make sure no one gets add damage

fallen arch
#

Follow em around with brand

#

Bribe your priest to grip em into torment

winged basin
#

pretty sure I’m about to get kicked or I’m just going to leave finally. Just had an argument about the value of windfury being more value then a piss poor Ele sham off spec, that resulted in personal jabs, and I went OFF. If anyone knows NA CE oriented guild looking for a rogue let me know OMEGAKEKW OMEGAKEKW

umbral rapids
fallen arch
#

EU?

#

Oh u said NA

restive ermine
umbral rapids
#

fair as long as i'm the only one allowed to parse

restive ermine
#

We also have a WW monk, You won't get chance to pad.

umbral rapids
#

grip them

brazen zodiac
#

@winged basin uhh i can ask my guild leader. we're always lookin for more peeps.

#

it's area52.

#

we've had some days where we didn't have enough people so i'm sure he'd be down to do an interview.

#

@obtuse robin a beautiful sight.

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fallen arch
#

U miss a socket on ring

brazen zodiac
#

yeah i didn't add one yet.

#

i'm waiting on sylv ring.

#

i might just take the L though and do it i have like 20k CR lmfao.

slim pebble
#

Which of those rings is best to pair with the sylv ring?

brazen zodiac
#

uhh from what i've seen the spider lady ring

spice spire
#

Arachnid cĂ­pher ring Prayge

alpine latch
#

I gave my ACRs away to friends 😦

#

Now I need one

spice spire
fallen arch
#

Palmer you’ll get one from vault I’m sure

spice spire
#

Palmer hardstuck plaguefall

fallen arch
#

Along with like 4 other items you want

spice spire
#

Unluckers

fallen arch
#

It be like that

alpine latch
#

Oh, I'm chilling on my 4 m+ a week right now

#

Phial was by far my biggest upgrade.

#

246 ACR is only like a 0.2% upgrade

spice spire
alpine latch
#

This week I might just do 1 so my guild doesn't complain

#

lol

#

I'm playing D3 right now anyway... Hitting a bit of a lull with WoW and needing a break.

spice spire
#

Smart to take breaks king

alpine latch
#

I'm not normally a taking a break guy, but lately I just feel like there's less and less to do in the game.

winged basin
alpine latch
#

Even Mage Tower coming back isn't that big of a deal because there's nothing I really want from there.

brazen zodiac
#

we raid from 10 pm to 1 am EST

#

:/

winged basin
#

Unless the raid tier sets recolor that are adding look dope AngToxic

alpine latch
#

That's the thing - it's just recolors of shit I already have

winged basin
brazen zodiac
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np gl findin a guild brotha or sista

spice spire
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Toadie pulling a me lmfao

alpine latch
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I'm more excited if I can get the Legion Artifact unlocks than a recolor of shit I already got

winged basin
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True, but if it’s purple I’m gonna cream

brazen zodiac
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guilds down bad this raid tier

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got kicked for not giving my boe to the guild as a trial

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lmfao

spice spire
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Raiding until 11 then log review until 12:30 then up at 4

winged basin
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Big true though, I just finished balance of power last night and am drooling over the new daggers

alpine latch
winged basin
brazen zodiac
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dude i made like 30 people leave after they heard about that lmfao.

spice spire
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Luckily I’m a social worker so less of strain 😛

winged basin
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We had to give up the first mythic boe to the guild for gold in the guild bank OMEGAKEKW

alpine latch
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Like 2-3 years at the most and they are done

winged basin
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That’s what’s up dude. I went to school and finished a year in Cyber Security but decided I wAnTeD tO tRy WoRkInG wIth mY hAnDs

spice spire
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But yes

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And I can see why

winged basin
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I’d imagine that’s stressful

spice spire
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It can be, it’s more accepting death when you’re trying to help kinda thing. You get used to it

alpine latch
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Yeah, I imagine working with kids is harder

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Adults is tough, but seeing a kid you know is abused and there's nothing you can do ... Can only do that for so long before you break

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Then you turn into a IRL rogue and stab

golden kraken
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Do yall run CT for PB or fatescribe mythic? Ive been playing outlaw for it as a change of pace but wanted to go back to sin because Im more comfortable with and to give us cleaner transitions

spice spire
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I work with both children and adults - neither easy.
I’ve been pretty good about being even keel in the bad situations.

drowsy hollow
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Excited to see what the rogue color will be

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Hoping for something crazy like blue

ebon notch
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because your add uptime isnt 100% due to moving for mechanics and phase timings etc.

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but to stay safe go CT

limber lion
plain thistle
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@limber lion still missing sylv heroic dagger pepe_sad

limber lion
plain thistle
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but I have this bad boy now

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limber lion
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ok dude.

plain thistle
limber lion
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Grats!

plain thistle
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we killed last night, after more than 200 wipes Sadge

limber lion
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200 is quite a bit

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But at least she's dead

plain thistle
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yeah, too many individual mistake and we lost our main tank after 170 pulls, our DH offspec had to tank, without experience =/

ebon notch
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i thought id be inting but it kinda pumps

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i was pleasantly surprised

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lucky procs on stacked adds HYPERS

odd heath
plain thistle
spring axle
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Is simming different domination shard setups relatively easy on raidbots for someone who sims already?

gusty mirage
spring axle
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Trying to figure frost or unholy

ebon notch
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just click all the gems/combinations you wanna compare

spring axle
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Ok

ebon notch
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click "replace all gems/enchants"

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then go

spring axle
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Ty

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Frost pulls ahead only with high crit right?

ebon notch
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for some its 39%

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for some its higher

spring axle
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Ok I'm like in the low 20s

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Minus carvers eye

ebon notch
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you need

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big crit

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remember for the dashing build you can sacrifice haste to hit your crit cap

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im on like 17% rn

spring axle
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I'm Necrolord should I still use dashing?

ebon notch
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ah then no

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well sim it tbh

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it should be very close to doomblade

spring axle
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Ok will do.

ebon notch
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in which case you wont need to bother

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just let the sims guide you

spring axle
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Gotcha thanks for the advice.

ebon notch
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any time

half tartan
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Do you guys hard swap to arrows phase 1 sylvanas? If not now after farm did you do so for prog?

delicate berry
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No expert rogue but think it depends on the situation.

ebon notch
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but im doing significantly more boss damage than everyone else so i believe nobody cares

delicate berry
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I dot arrows if they are close to slyv

ebon notch
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heres my boss damage breakdown on our longest pull

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we have boomies and hunters and monks and mages

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so theyre blasting the arrows most of the time

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only time i hard swap off the boss is to kill the adds

delicate berry
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not sure if it is different on Mythic though. Still wiping and trying to get AOTC

ebon notch
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i meant for mythic

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on heroic you only kill the boss

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lmao

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dont swap off for anything

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save shadowstep for windrunner every time

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wait for her to land from the last jump then give it an extra ~0.5s then step

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sometimes the server doesnt catch up and you end up jumping to her last position

wind nymph
limber lion
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Or legs, now that those also have the effect.