assassination

[full tide]

xD

[shadow tusk]

phial

just get the dagger

[obtuse robin]

low effort

[sudden canyon]

its a good thing i ahve 2 rogues and get 4 shots at this heroic dagger

[fallen arch]

2 rogues

Why would you

You in rwf?

[sudden canyon]

1 horde 1 alliance

[echo geyser]

Now thats a decked out vault gz

[sudden canyon]

i havent picked a main coz both have shit luck

lol

[dark token]

3 shots but yeah

[fallen arch]

Was just joking brother

It’s a pain sometimes

But everybody gets a little luck at a certain point

[bleak sky]

...do you have similar prog raid groups?

[sudden canyon]

no i havent looked for a mythic prog group yet. im just pugging heroic on both atm. my schedule atm isnt really stable

so i cant commit to raid nights unless its super late but i cant find any guild that start runs past 8pm pst

pugging on alliance is playing the game on hardmode

[bleak sky]

are you on the recruitment discord?

[dark token]

what recruitment discord lol

[sudden canyon]

nah, that exist?

[bleak sky]

https://discord.gg/deYVp46N

this one

[spice spire]

There’s a huge recruitment discord smh

Also probably better to post in wow general

But yeah that has a fuck ton of people actively recruiting.

So you know, go off

[alpine latch]

Yeah, but the problem is people actually believe it. I can want something to be better while still running it. People think because I dislike the GV that I don't run m+ at all.

[cerulean nest]

wow upgrading r3 to r4 Bek gave me 9 dps

immense

[wintry mica]

am i the only one that thinks the wording of bek makes no fucking sense

[alpine latch]

Yeah, Bek is pretty lackluster. I'm debating upgrading the shield shard next

Shit, not shield. That's Frost

Hell even Leech would probably be better

[sudden canyon]

gr8 feeling 😄

[brazen zodiac]

dud

seeing that vault made me scream

@wintry mica heroic run?

[royal cliff]

is there a specifically easy way to get a quick frost shard or should i just rip lfr and normal raid and hope for the best

[wintry mica]

pretty sure lfr sylv is guaranteed shard drop

[brazen zodiac]

MY VAULt sucked :C

[wintry mica]

I got a heroic sylv chest

[brazen zodiac]

i had

SUCH A GOOD FEELING

[lavish lichen]

I got kt shoulders!

[brazen zodiac]

@balmy condor hug me :C

[lavish lichen]

Weapon on Slyv kill tn

[brazen zodiac]

if not

uninstalling

f

[wintry mica]

at least i can trade one of the sylv drops now

[obtuse robin]

my vault was pretty sick

[wintry mica]

lol

how many people are going to link that claiming its theirs today

[sudden canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/884836382109990962/unknown.png

you too?

[obtuse robin]

lmao

dam same vault

such luck

[lavish lichen]

I feel like this is worse than no loot

[sudden canyon]

crasy

[brazen zodiac]

i was able to choose 3 did u all get the same bug ???? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/884836382109990962/unknown.png

[obtuse robin]

im for sure with that guy who said he would take the phail

[wintry mica]

[brazen zodiac]

on the bright side i could probs take something for m+ >.<

[wintry mica]

when are yall goin?

[brazen zodiac]

when i finishing coping from my vault

momma told me to be grateful regardless but FK MAN

i just want ma dagger >.<

or a better ringgggg

[wintry mica]

thats why you come in expecting disappointment like me

[brazen zodiac]

f

In Queue
275 / 544

the raid commences once this finishes

in 3 years

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[wintry mica]

i dont know how anyone functions without raidbots premium

[brazen zodiac]

:c

[hollow river]

Phial phial phial

[late birch]

wtf is this , 4/5 items could be bis

best and worst vault at same time

[obtuse robin]

its an illusion of choice

u just take dagger

[late birch]

yep, but thats all your luck gone for rest of expansion 🙂

[brazen zodiac]

dude im screaming

[late birch]

inb4 all 3 slots are from first 3 bosses next week

[obtuse robin]

im gonna do laundry and still be done b4 vits sim

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

it was done

but the results i got actually gave me a slight panic attack

and resulted in me taking a shot of svedka now im debating uninstalling and warming up some pizza

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/msqU8WFhRPzwRskajMuNpe

im super confused lmfao

[drifting cloud]

whats confusing?

your oh just isnt enchanted

[wintry mica]

looks like no vault upgrades 😦

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i just peeped that shit ryler

im screaming

@obtuse robin yo at this point we specifically do need a slap emote for me

[pure moth]

Nah just the face palm emote will be fine

[brazen zodiac]

doesnt do a justice in my case tbh

@wintry mica do u need to do krothia bs?

[wintry mica]

doin some of it right now yea

[brazen zodiac]

aight ima start forming after i finish mine

[wintry mica]

just flew my ass to yorick and realized i dont have any rift keys left

[brazen zodiac]

should be like 1.3 h

i have like 20 LOL

[cedar star]

is 252 phial still one one of our bis trinkets

[bleak sun]

It is

[wintry mica]

sounds good, I've got a mage or two that might want to tag along too

[brazen zodiac]

okie dokie

[dawn ivy]

anyone know how strong overgrowth seedling is on terragrue?

30% reduced cost on abilities sounds pog for rogue

[wintry mica]

I think its pretty good

basically 30% more energy over the fight

just not as good as some of the top tier op shit

imo

[ebon garden]

is the hero damage sims for trinkets accurate?

[dawn ivy]

more or less yeah

[ebon garden]

so i have bis trinkets for my heroic pugging then nice

[wintry mica]

they look pretty accurate yea

basically fusion amp and phial are bis

[brazen zodiac]

@wintry mica so many rares at once

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iT1mkBBBASVzg2FoyqhdAh this looks better :C

[hollow river]

always feels great when lower ilvl gear is an upgrade. lol

frost makes weird things happen

[clear shadow]

whats better to put in the empowered conduit slot? lashing or cold steel

[wintry mica]

sims will tell you automatically but really it doesnt matter

the difference is tiny

[clear shadow]

ok

[wintry mica]

each empowered conduit is like 15 dps and the difference between them is probably within margin of error on your sim

[static apex]

hello, sorry for the question what is the best dom socket bonus?

[wintry mica]

frost set is bis with the right gear

[static apex]

and what determinate right gear?

[wintry mica]

you just need a good amount of crit for it to be worth

[ashen fulcrum]

If you find yourself in M+ with Dashing Scoundrel equipped should you be using envenom earlier in the aoe rotation or what do yall think?

[wintry mica]

i really didnt like dashing in m+ cause it felt suboptimal to be throwing in env before i had ruptures up

[ashen fulcrum]

yea I just forget to swap gearsets a lil too often lol

[wintry mica]

I felt like i was env too much

[ashen fulcrum]

I really like obedience for M+ the CDR helps so much

[wintry mica]

I usually just stick with zoldyck

[ashen fulcrum]

I wanna try it but I also want to craft outlaw and sub lego's.

only have the 2 at 262 right now

[wintry mica]

well obe is basically the sub leggo lol

i think finality is competitve for m+ with it

[royal cliff]

got the lfr dagger when going for a frost shard and it shows as a -6 dps downgrade over the 226 offhand i have on my rogue alt

[wintry mica]

yep

[royal cliff]

doesnt that seem weird? I'd imagine the proc would make it far better

[wintry mica]

sylv daggers are not worth many ilvls to us

and the lfr proc is doodoo

[ashen fulcrum]

sin has the least benefit from the proc too I think

[royal cliff]

yeah i mean obviously sims are life it just seemed like for 6 ilvl it would be

[wintry mica]

the lfr sylv dagger lost to a 220 crit haste korthia OH for me a while back

for normal/heroic daggers yea its probably worth 6 ilvls but the lfr proc just doesnt do enough damage

[royal cliff]

yeah its all g hopefully i won't be sitting on a 226 offhand much longer anyhow and i get the heroic dagger

[static apex]

@wintry mica how much is good crit? %? and if dont like much frost what is the next bonus?

[wintry mica]

unholy is also good, for frost i think you want to end up somewhere in the 40+% crit range but its better to just follow the sims

oh man crit tea twice in a row feels nice

[dawn ivy]

t4 to 5 frost was 350 dps for me jesus christ

[brazen zodiac]

frfr

[obtuse robin]

doesnt like frost much

[wintry mica]

unholy looks cooler

[limber lion]

Frost is king.

[wintry mica]

true, purple swirlies look cool, but 100k frost hits looks way cooler

[vestal wren]

frost isn't even that far behind on subtlety

so if you want to play all 3 specs its still a rly strong choice

[upbeat needle]

my dawg

lookin stacked

[limber lion]

How much are we talking when comparing r5 sets?

[brazen zodiac]

:p

[odd heath]

no phial today 😦

[wintry mica]

yea thats pretty damn close

[soft shale]

yea and also kyrian has unholy as top and frost not that far behind

that edge tho

[vestal wren]

its slightly diffrent on kyrian as unholy beats blood on it

[obtuse robin]

[limber lion]

Damn!

I guess I could give frost sub a shot

[slim pebble]

Sir

[vestal wren]

i would sim it

[fervent rune]

I’ll take that dagger if you don’t want it haha

[soft shale]

if you have kt trinket its good as sub frost

[vestal wren]

but ye sets are fairly close people overestimate the impact

[odd heath]

I REALLY want it lol, first edge I got all the tier.. didnt get any normal or heroic either

[vestal wren]

also PV becomes more popular/dominant now with the apl fix

[soft shale]

wao that is so unlucky

maybe now you get 2 in a row

[odd heath]

I hope so, maybe one in today's farm

[obtuse robin]

wats pv again

[alpine latch]

My character is about maxxed without GV upgrades.

I don't forsee myself hitting the 11k club

It's not really possible without a deep Mythic run for me

[soft shale]

yea you really want M sylv daggers/chest/ring

[alpine latch]

yup

My 3 biggest ugprades by far are the final 3 bosses

[soft shale]

man im so mad i still dont have fate helmet

[alpine latch]

I might get to Painsmith, but probably not.

[soft shale]

i also got it twice on gv but picked other things

[slim pebble]

My guild added another raid day and dropped everyone who couldn’t make that raid day so sylv 259 daggers are just a pipe dream for me

[odd heath]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xuMr2tmzsmKMaBLdT1BGMT

woooohooo

[soft shale]

pog

[dawn ivy]

how much crit does mythic gland give?

[limber lion]

What a massive gamer

[arctic walrus]

[limber lion]

what'd you get?

[drifting cloud]

vel I have 1 mythic slot if I get dagger you can ban me

[arctic walrus]

[dim temple]

[crystal delta]

i was feeling proud that i made it to the 10k+ club

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fZd6pGBWr9jwWUYrk7SVb1

and then i see people with their 12k xD

[alpine latch]

They are Hall of Fame raiders

Don't let it get you down man

10k is a big achievement, be proud of it

[crystal delta]

😄

i guess the final bit came from rank 5 frost set

[alpine latch]

Without a strong Mythic run you're hard capped at like 10.8k

[dawn ivy]

ah dammit nadjia is simming better than theotar again

[crystal delta]

well still sitting at 3 (nearly 4 ) on mythic so 😄

[alpine latch]

Oh ... Yeah, do better. lol

[crystal delta]

and i cant get phial at all xDD

[limber lion]

link me someone with 12k

[alpine latch]

I ran 22 PFs last week and wound up paying 200k for mine

[wintry mica]

I can sim 12k

[crystal delta]

didnt someone post just above 12k above somewhere?

[wintry mica]

if I fuck with some stuff

and add some custom items

[crystal delta]

custom items isnt real tho

ive done 27 or 28 runs of pf i think this patch

no phial sadly

[alpine latch]

12k would require perfect luck.

[wintry mica]

11500 is about the highest actual sims ive seen posted

[limber lion]

Link

[crystal delta]

i think its not an actual player sim now that i look at it again

[wintry mica]

yea Fuu linked some BIS gear sims for sub earlier

[limber lion]

lol

[crystal delta]

maybe thats what i saw ^^

[balmy condor]

12k is possible

[limber lion]

12k is possible

[balmy condor]

But it’s pretty much bis

[limber lion]

I've yet to see an actual person getting it though

[balmy condor]

256 item level

[limber lion]

With actual gear

[balmy condor]

Ya know

[wintry mica]

I mean if cev isnt simming at 12k who is going to be doing it lol

[dark token]

i hit the 12k club recently

[crystal delta]

some wise person once said ^^ its all preference 😄

[limber lion]

The top one looks like a 1

[dawn ivy]

that first number is still 11k

LOL

[dark token]

my paint skills suck

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[wintry mica]

lol

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[dawn ivy]

you faked it and still failed

[brazen zodiac]

ur an artist idk what ur talkin about

[dark token]

nibren has a 12k sub sim

[dawn ivy]

abstract art, beautiful

[dark token]

havent seen a 12k sin sim

[wintry mica]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8VgrHHv2VwZah4kucmPRGV

[obtuse robin]

kindred nice

[limber lion]

@balmy condor looking kinda cute in orange

[brazen zodiac]

i am being pranked on so many levels

we formin in a bit rayray

[obtuse robin]

forming for what

[brazen zodiac]

fresh heroic

[balmy condor]

:)

[brazen zodiac]

but i do the kt skip first

[balmy condor]

Thank you

[obtuse robin]

ok ill join

[brazen zodiac]

to cope with not getting the dagger

[wintry mica]

gz whisp

[dawn ivy]

oh shit grats

surely this means you stream more

r-right?

[spice spire]

He streams a lot as is

[sonic schooner]

[wintry mica]

probably means he gets randomly pinged even more than now

[obtuse robin]

oh shit

whispyr a blade now

[winter vapor]

grats grats ^^

[obtuse robin]

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[balmy condor]

Thank you guys

[brazen zodiac]

idk what that is but congrats king!

.<

[obtuse robin]

means he has joined the kings of kings

[brazen zodiac]

but he was already god in my eyes

[dawn ivy]

is shadowblade the highest rank? whats a shadow at this point

[balmy condor]

It means I get to ban you if you act up now

[dawn ivy]

i never see purple

[balmy condor]

[obtuse robin]

[brazen zodiac]

NOTED SIR

[crystal delta]

Nadjia is still the way to go right?

[dawn ivy]

mostly yeah, but theotar is very close

[crystal delta]

because of the tea i assume

[dawn ivy]

so you should sim to see which is a handful better dps

[crystal delta]

can someone show me a conduit setup for Theotar?

like which conduit in which slot

[obtuse robin]

u would choose on utility there

and thoeo >>>

[wintry mica]

does anyone have the theotar tea sims?

the profile sets you can use to sim each buff

[dark token]

check sub faq

[alpine latch]

Do you guys normally sim the talents you use, or the best talents?

[limber lion]

Both

[wintry mica]

I sim ep/vig most of the time

[limber lion]

Because I use the best talents

[alpine latch]

lol

I run EP/Vigor but I always show off BS/DS

[wintry mica]

ill do an occasional BS/DS sim just to make sure my gear doesnt need to change for guardian

[warped siren]

does using the frost set makes crit a much better stat?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[dawn ivy]

yeah id say so

[warped siren]

lol

yeah i was just doing sims myself but still wanted to double check

https://i.imgur.com/opBq1RY.png

[wintry mica]

pretty sure crits our best stat regardless of set you are using

[dawn ivy]

and thats with already holding 44% crit

[wintry mica]

just has extra synergy with frost

[balmy condor]

Crit skyrockets with frost

[alpine latch]

ugh, crap... I can't remember what Theotar build I have. I wanted to test out how close Theo is to Nadjia.

[balmy condor]

Haste is usually preferred without it

Man orange is weird

[wintry mica]

theotar with crit tea is 10 dps above nadjia for me right now

[balmy condor]

What a color

[wintry mica]

it doesnt look right

[dawn ivy]

ngl it is offputting

for the longest time i thought colors were by choice and you just liked green

[balmy condor]

To be fair, this was the same offputting reaction when I got green

[alpine latch]

Oh wow, Whispyr got upgraded in Discord. Just noticed that.. lol

[dawn ivy]

same with cev

[balmy condor]

My favorite colors are blue and red

And I play sub and sin

[gusty mirage]

you're weird

[alpine latch]

Mine's still suck on Outlaw color even when I removed the role

So it could be worse

[balmy condor]

We can fix that

[wintry mica]

I thought it was random colors unless you were one of the chosen

[gusty mirage]

the abuse starts now

[soft shale]

you didnt remove the role tho

[limber lion]

Ya'll are cray

[alpine latch]

Ohhh, did you actually fix it?

YES

[dawn ivy]

wait me too me too

[soft shale]

pink baaai

[alpine latch]

I love you @balmy condor

[wintry mica]

wait everyone stealing my color now

[limber lion]

[dawn ivy]

RED POG

[obtuse robin]

[wintry mica]

[dawn ivy]

now my name blends in with the rest

[alpine latch]

whispyr out here doing the lords work

[balmy condor]

You want to be red too cev?

[dawn ivy]

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

Poisons > bleeds

green good

red bad

[alpine latch]

Big facts

[wintry mica]

MP bis talent when?

[alpine latch]

Torghast?

[balmy condor]

Dude I had it mathed out in beta

MP pulled ahead

[wintry mica]

what absurb amount of mastery do we need lol

[balmy condor]

With rank 7 lp

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

And then they did the thing where they nerfed the conduits

Into the fucking earths core

And it was dead :(

[alpine latch]

Oh damn. Theotar is a massive DPS decrease.

[obtuse robin]

yup

[alpine latch]

I thought it would be closer

[wintry mica]

its close enough that crit tea beats nadjia for me

[alpine latch]

Oh?

I might have done something wrong, but mine was 422 DPS less

[wintry mica]

lol yea

[dawn ivy]

oh thats very wrong

lol

[wintry mica]

its 40 dps difference for me

[dawn ivy]

something going on there

[wintry mica]

and crit tea theotar sims 50 dps higher than normal theotar that avgs the buffs

so hardly worth lol

[balmy condor]

422 is obscene

[wintry mica]

thats gotta be something fucked up

[alpine latch]

Ohh, sorry. 323. I scrolled down too far

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5eENmiduhHnrDe5Seu3Ci

I just did a top gear sim and select theotar and tested everything

Is there a better way to test that?

[wintry mica]

it looks like you arent simming triple potencies with theotar

i only see 2

[alpine latch]

I thought I selected all of them ... Maybe I missed one. I'll try again

[tribal mauve]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[obtuse robin]

also not simming crit food theres more space to go up !!

[dawn ivy]

oh shit is crit food the play

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I just run simc defaults for all of that

I eat crit food but I don't sim it

[wintry mica]

it was basically the same last time i simme dit

[alpine latch]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

for me it was the glut feast lmfao

[alpine latch]

Yes, still 284 with a new sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mevhJKEFGUjoziPoiq9eJ3

Not sure how you guys are getting it within 50

[dawn ivy]

ill sim purely the two trees and see what my diff is

oh are you sure youre inputting three potencies

because if youre running nadjia with dauntless duelist

raidbots intially only picks your current two potencies

so theotar would be simming with 3 potencies but missing one entirely

this is the biggest difference ive personally seen in a few weeks

[wintry mica]

yea I feel like something weirds going on, I just did mine again and its 33 dps for me

[alpine latch]

Yeah I had like 5 conduits selected

[wintry mica]

do you have all of the conduit slots activated for theotar?

[dawn ivy]

do you....not have theotar unlocked?

[alpine latch]

I do

[dawn ivy]

when i input your stuff it initially doesnt have any theotar trees clicked

[wintry mica]

yea it did the same for me when I unchcked unlock all soulbinds

[alpine latch]

I mean, I definitely have it unlocked. I'm at work so I don't have a Simc output.

I use him for m+

[dawn ivy]

np im simming rq

[wintry mica]

I reran the sim he linked earlier and still got some weird shit happening

[alpine latch]

I ran a top gear sim this morning for my GV and then ran everything off of that sim

Maybe that's why?

[slow marsh]

yes double ap stones and crit food

[dawn ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q8GUw3L3psEDoAtLBgRit5

[wintry mica]

I think i figured it out

one of theotars potency conduits wasnt selected in the sim

[dawn ivy]

yeah i just made it within 70 dps

[alpine latch]

wtf .. I selected it. I swear.

😦

[wintry mica]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/MsFEzYz5tDsa81R5aVEiH

[dawn ivy]

also i think i gave you like 20 dps

[wintry mica]

yep 77 dps for me

[dawn ivy]

idk from what

[alpine latch]

fml

[dawn ivy]

okay so if i run mythic gland, get theotar crit tea and eat crit food, i sit at 60% base crit

pog

[harsh lantern]

nuts

[dawn ivy]

(if i go full degen and ignore all sims and go full crit)

[harsh lantern]

I wanna sim crit food now I just buy glut feasts

Is that the play xd

[dawn ivy]

i simmed it and its like 2 dps

[slow marsh]

I mean sims should steer you towards crit anyways

[harsh lantern]

XD

[dawn ivy]

within margin

[alpine latch]

So, I selected the row. Do I need to actually click the potency conduit itself as well?

[dawn ivy]

yeah

[alpine latch]

sigh

[slow marsh]

lmao

[dawn ivy]

you need to give the soulbind a selection of conduits it can choose from

it wont sim ALL conduits for you, only the conduits you choose

[alpine latch]

I mean, the row was green. I selected all 3

And then I selected 3 extra conduits

[dawn ivy]

you're G. raidbots adds new functionality every tier to keep up with blizzards new systems

they can be difficult to work with sometimes

i STILL fuck up shards of domination sims all the time

[alpine latch]

I finally have that down, lol

[dawn ivy]

strange, my rings vary by 32 dps between ep/vig and bs/deeper

ep/vig wants mythic painsmith and bs/deeper wants 246 sylv ring

[upper flax]

Can someone explain why my rank 4 frost set, deals sooo much less dmg than others on logs? Like im comparing a guy with almost same ilvl, and same kill time, yet his winds does 575k and mine does 335k

[dawn ivy]

is his r5?

[upper flax]

I know the other logs might have rank 5, but is the difference really that huge?

[dawn ivy]

its pretty fuckin huge yeah

alot of other factors can be how much crit you/they have

[upper flax]

The crit is pretty much identical

[dawn ivy]

i gained 350+ dps from rank 4-5 today

[prisma cypress]

i simmed r5 compared to my r4 and it was a 200+ dps increase, and my crit sucks, only like 33% unbuffed

so if your crit doesn't suck then i imagine it will be a lot bigger

[upper flax]

hmm, yeha I jsut find it hard to believe that one rank on frost set can do 150k ish more dmg

[obtuse robin]

blizz

[prisma cypress]

blizz, how could you!

[obtuse robin]

40 % buff

sure why not

[balmy condor]

it also does more damage based on agi and stuff

so rank 5 + 2-3 ilevel

really bumps it

everything multiplies in wow

so lots of small 5% 10% things add up

[obtuse robin]

if only sin quadruple dipped like outlaw

[rustic whale]

guys may be its not right place to ask but can anyone able to give me Shroud Timer WA? thanks in advance

[dawn ivy]

how dare you ask that question

[balmy condor]

with a mod in the chat

[dawn ivy]

yeah whispyr is blood thirsty

he wants his first kill

[obtuse robin]

on whispers first day as orange

rude

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/ryAsZbNdX

this one should work

[rustic whale]

thank you sir , and if its gonna makes you feel good you can kick for 1 min 😄

[brazen zodiac]

time for whoospyr to use the ban hammer

[obtuse robin]

baiting whypyr into a abuse of power

[balmy condor]

[obtuse robin]

i got my eyes on you

[rustic whale]

gz on your new role btw

[balmy condor]

thanks :D

[brazen rampart]

try asking about stat weights now

[obtuse robin]

or eye of command

[vestal wren]

eoc was just a stat stick

but with a high stat budget

[dawn ivy]

D O W E S C A L E

[brazen rampart]

any scalers in chat?

📈

[balmy condor]

you've scaled your last stat brother

[brazen rampart]

[dawn ivy]

[indigo mulch]

vers best stat

[obtuse robin]

yea whyspyr is gonn ahave alot of fun in here today

[rustic whale]

this would fine answer

@brazen rampart

[dawn ivy]

its going to be him and like three other people by midnight

[fallen arch]

Whaaat

Whisp is orange now

Legendary

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-met-your-mother-legendary-barney-neil-patrick-harris-gif-3504792

[dawn ivy]

ceverion is only uncommon green LAL

[feral shale]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[deft obsidian]

Gz sir, well deserved 👌

[inner temple]

so with legion time walking scaling stats up, and current stat weights being so close together do you think we'll see @balmy condor enjoy his new orange name? congrats 🙂

[woven ruin]

How important are the 2 non frost dom sockets if evenually you will get 252's in those slots? If you're only clearing heroic?

[crystal delta]

sim it i guess 😄

i guess it can make some difference since you can use the two dps shards

[visual prairie]

replacing my 239 gloves containing a r3 purple gem, and replacing with 252 crit haste gloves is .2% dps loss

so when i get around to upgrading the purple, even bigger loss

[oak sky]

Gem good

[glass tulip]

In raid you keep the gems pretty much no matter what

unless you swap a rank 1 gem with a good 252 piece

and it doesnt take away your bonus

but I would take the 252 piece to run in dungeons and such

[obtuse robin]

difference between r5 bek and r5 dyz is margin of error

[oak sky]

The gems still work in dungeons

[glass tulip]

no they dont?

[crystal delta]

yeah since you dont need 3 frost in dung you can use stat items for that

[oak sky]

Yrah they literally do

[crystal delta]

just set bonus doesnt work in dung

[glass tulip]

ah

Question for anyone with wrinkles in their brain: Even if I upgrade a dagger from 246 to 252, I dont want to drop my haste too low, right?

I'd be going to 42% ->43-44% crit and 17% ->16% haste by taking the ilvl upgrade

[steep hamlet]

With nelf racial can I essentially do another MA burst without vendetta?

*vanish

[wintry mica]

[glass tulip]

I did

main issue im worried about is not being able to cast and always being energy starved with such low haste

[pale dew]

Then you have your answer

[visual prairie]

and the 252 was better, right? weapon damage way more important than secondary stats

[wintry mica]

haste doesnt impact energy regen by that much

[dark token]

except bek is way better in multi target

but worse on sylvanas

so

[glass tulip]

aight, thanks fellas

[glass tulip]

I used to take Cor & Kyr on sylv but I run frost now

in place of bek

[dark token]

i mean bek still useful on m sylv for 5%

[glass tulip]

if youre full health

[lavish lichen]

How important is 3 envenoms in shiv?

I mess it up kinda often

[glass tulip]

a good optimization but you should always be getting 2, no matter what

[wintry mica]

dont think about shiv as a window you need to fit 3 envenoms into

[glass tulip]

otherwise its a big waste

[wintry mica]

think about shiv as an uptime buff

[glass tulip]

go for 2, if you can get 3 great but not necessary

[lavish lichen]

I suck at pooling energy gonna need go make a sound WA or something

Yea I always get 2

Basically have to afk to not get 2

[lavish lichen]

Interesting perspective ty

[delicate berry]

Is there a point in which i should be taking DS talent over Vigor

[glass tulip]

the 2 main things for your shiv "Set up" are:

1. Make sure your bleeds are set for ~10 seconds or more
2. Cast shiv at max combo points and cloe to max energy

[delicate berry]

tried simming both but seems negligable

[wintry mica]

this is ideal scenario

but you do not delay shiv if those conditions arent met

[rotund oak]

u actually plan ahead and set up while shiv is on cooldown

[wintry mica]

you run ep/vig for everything except guardian

[glass tulip]

^^

[drowsy parcel]

ep/ds gang rise up

[lavish lichen]

How do you go about this? Like what is your thought processs

How many seconds in advance do you set it up

[wintry mica]

[kind talon]

Ep DS is actually good

Happy someone else knows

[drowsy parcel]

i know ive been running it over vigor for a few weeks

[lavish lichen]

Sometimes I think I can get extra CPs befofe shiv but then go in with low energy or vise versa

High energy but low CPs

[kind talon]

It just kinda blows on st

But ep DS would be lit for soulrender

Unreal

[lavish lichen]

How fast is energy regen I guess should be my question?

[delicate berry]

Never really used EP

been running BS

[kind talon]

WhatV

[rotund oak]

Shiv has a specific cd,so does rupture and garrote.Plan ahead for rupture and garrote to have a 10sec before falling off on your shiv windows.You can try it for about couple of hours on a dummy to get used to the mindset behind it

[kind talon]

It’s better for every fight with more than 1 target

[lavish lichen]

Yea Ill go hit the dummy more should work ty

[limber lion]

Just follow norma.pooling rules and you're gucci

Normal*

[visual prairie]

abp

except in shiv and vendetta

[limber lion]

Don't do that

[obtuse robin]

k time for class

[limber lion]

Yeh

Exactly

[obtuse robin]

explain normal pooling rules

[limber lion]

Phone is slow sadge

Uhm

[rotund oak]

press mutilate and go afk for 3-4 secs

[wintry mica]

dont swim an hour after you eat

[rotund oak]

lul

what pooling rules

[wintry mica]

no running around the edge of the pool

[limber lion]

The pooling rules in the apl

[delicate berry]

No diving in the shallow end

[visual prairie]

that hour swim thing i think is a myth?

[kind talon]

Pool to max energy minus 30 before you envenom :)

[wintry mica]

yea I think it was debunked

[visual prairie]

or maybe the person that was swearing that to me just wanted me to drown

[limber lion]

Are pretty much (in simple terms): build to max-1 CP and finish at max-30 energy.

Outside of cooldowns

[delicate berry]

Contrary to popular belief peeing in the pool is not OK

[kind talon]

Yep

[kind talon]

That’s incorrect

[wintry mica]

peeing in the pool is fine

[lavish lichen]

So I delay every envenom until I’m at that energy? And then smash it inside CDs?

[kind talon]

We actually discovered a new tech where you keep your pants on but let it go

[limber lion]

Correct

[kind talon]

Yes

[lavish lichen]

That is like 50x easier

[delicate berry]

Friends daughter browned their pool

[visual prairie]

discretely spreading it around the deep-end. not good, but you can get away with it... standing on the diving board and just whipping it out, no bueno

[delicate berry]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-the-water-world-penguin-day-penguinpalooza-come-out-from-the-water-what-a-good-swim-gif-21626182

[umbral rapids]

congrats @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

tyty

[oak sky]

Time to check the box

Ee ur

dom boots

still no hands

wish me luck on eye

[mystic fractal]

I, too, am handless.

was gonna take 252 kvaldir today but hc dagger won out

[oak sky]

252 kvaldir are my biggest upgrade other than mythic sylv loot

straight up

[harsh lantern]

guess i take hands?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7DLtxDMytJ2HWoYr6cD6Zf

wrists and hands both farm for me

[oak sky]

sim it unless you already have everything else

[harsh lantern]

we hardstuck nerzhul rn so everything in that i can hopefully just get from clear

i still got 220 hands on

so maybe hands

[oak sky]

looks like hands are your biggest upgrade right?

[harsh lantern]

yea for sure

[oak sky]

yeah go for it

[harsh lantern]

just know ill get them on heroic know lol

now*

[oak sky]

i havent gotten them on any difficulty

[harsh lantern]

im praying for the mythic ones

[oak sky]

yeah

me too

[harsh lantern]

had to just buy the gem holder

[oak sky]

i just got t6 in archivists codex

[harsh lantern]

im like t4 xd im so lazy

[oak sky]

so if i dont drop them this week on eye im buying the 239 ones

[harsh lantern]

i want that heroic sylv ring

keep getting nothing XD

[oak sky]

yeah same

i havent looted anything off h sylv, just a dagger in vault

[harsh lantern]

same ive only got the ring i have traded in normal lol

was praying to see that PF ring

gg

next week

[oak sky]

for sure man

[harsh lantern]

and im still rocking 230 crafted neck

things too juice

[oak sky]

i have crafted ring

[brazen zodiac]

what are bis anima powers for tara again? i remember cev typed em but i cant find em

[obtuse robin]

weights

[oak sky]

Huddled carvings elethium weighrs

[obtuse robin]

huddle

[oak sky]

Acid gland

[obtuse robin]

acid

[oak sky]

Erratic howler

[obtuse robin]

the other ag one

agi

[oak sky]

Or lumbering form

[obtuse robin]

or ten of towers

def gonna try to sneak those in 9.1.5

[brazen zodiac]

rip got the crit increased spikes one

owell

[obtuse robin]

thats good s

[oak sky]

Yeah very solid power

Some other ones are decent

[brazen zodiac]

oo

[oak sky]

Heartseeking fang

The lifesteal one

[obtuse robin]

hive one

[brazen zodiac]

is tremorbeating good

[obtuse robin]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

oh boy 99 parse here we come

on taragoop!!!!!!!

[obtuse robin]

doubt x

gl lol

[brazen zodiac]

i was 2k dps off from being 95 on mythic

taragoop!!!!

[oak sky]

Sheeeesh

[obtuse robin]

2k is alot

[harsh lantern]

that boss is perma purple for me

[brazen zodiac]

yeah im memeing

lmfao

[harsh lantern]

too stupid

[obtuse robin]

oh ur evolving ok

[oak sky]

That and fate are meme parses

[brazen zodiac]

idk

fate parses confuse me

then again the wind confuses me so

[oak sky]

Fate parse = I didn't get mechanics

[harsh lantern]

That was mine for heroic haha

98

Afk and win

[brazen zodiac]

i mean

someone got mechanics

parsed 100

[harsh lantern]

hahaha

[brazen zodiac]

cause he didnt do it LMFOA

[harsh lantern]

that’s me on nine mythic tbh I just cloak the thing to someone else

griefer pov

[obtuse robin]

fuk even if the tank gets it

[harsh lantern]

Yup

just go next

[alpine latch]

I got a 78% parse and I'm #1 prio on the list. Every single round that that I can see I turn in.

My raid is dumb and ignored their call outs

[harsh lantern]

I see my name

And I don’t move lol

someone will get it LOL

[oak sky]

I meant mythic

With grim portents and shit

Heroic is more cheesable

[harsh lantern]

ye I’m not seeing that boss with my guild

lucky if we kill remnant lmao ping pong strat more than scuffed

[oak sky]

Uh what

No priest?

[harsh lantern]

no priests

[oak sky]

Shiiit

[harsh lantern]

shit my guild in group finder every weekend

Dead af

we tried the dispel thing

And we never did again

Sadge

[oak sky]

You sort of need a priest

[harsh lantern]

yeah for sure

[oak sky]

Ping pong is scuffed on m

Especially p3

[harsh lantern]

if people weren’t dead I think we could kill it but it just takes so damn long to do anything

[oak sky]

Or 3rd armor piece

[harsh lantern]

standing around for years

yeah we see third armor and it’s usually gg

think we’re like 40 pulls in atm

[obtuse robin]

doing mythic w/o md

[harsh lantern]

XD

I applied to a bunch of guild way earlier but this one accepted

Gotta go back to area 52 or some shit

Thrall ain’t it

[oak sky]

gotta get my r5 frost

[harsh lantern]

R5 is too fun

[fallen arch]

You literally dont notice it

But on meters

[harsh lantern]

yeah that’s all that matters is ur name in details

flex 💪

[alpine latch]

m'eh

As long as the boss dies..

[obtuse robin]

nah

i def notice when i take zero dmg during a mechanic

[alpine latch]

I'll take being bottom of the meters and killing new bosses regularly over smashing the meters and stalling for weeks.

[obtuse robin]

thats frost

[harsh lantern]

frost shield is nice

ye killing bosses is cool

[soft shale]

just kill the boss before first helmet malevolence ez

[jaunty kayak]

would a 239 amplifier be better than a pvp badge 233 in m+? idk if dslice would be true or not

[fallen arch]

Yes

Amplifier is really good

[arctic hare]

While I didn't get a good phial or Edge of night

I did get a 252 IQD

Yeah, its leagues better than what I had before

if I get the crit increase, I end up with 57% crit

[alpine latch]

tight

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

That’s a lot of crit

[arctic hare]

mm hmm

it straight up gives me a 20% crit bonus

It just GAVE ME CRIT AGAIN

lol

813 stat bonus for 20 seconds

absolutely nuts

[balmy condor]

It prefers your highest stat

But can sometimes give you your second highest

[arctic hare]

Wait, it does?

[balmy condor]

During lust it lasts long and also guarantees your highest

[oak sky]

Gotta love iqd

[balmy condor]

So if you lust on pull

[arctic hare]

So, it literally always gives either crit or haste, thats so friggin funny

[balmy condor]

You’ll always get crit

[oak sky]

Healer mana

[arctic hare]

I also will appreciate it for its life saver ability

[halcyon zealot]

congrats on orange man @balmy condor

[alpine latch]

It's funny because we all congratulated Whispyr but none of us know what any of that shit means

I just assume it's pulled over from the old EJ site because they had similar rankings for rogues

[soft shale]

wait you dont know about the history of the great blade

[spice spire]

@alpine latch it means he’s now hard locked into becoming a shaman

[oak sky]

https://tenor.com/view/monkaw-peepo-monka-cool-style-gif-21478410

[balmy condor]

Green is a trusted source of info, top player, theorycrafter, etc etc
Orange is a full on mod
Purple are the founders

[scarlet meadow]

is dual sylvanas dagger better than a 252 tanglewood in main hand and one sylvanas dagger in offhand? (1x 246 sylvanas dagger and 1x233 sylvanas dagger)

[spice spire]

Wait, you’re a discord mod now? oh no

[dawn ivy]

sim yoself

[soft shale]

for assa nope

you use 252 mainhand 246 hc sylv off hand until M sylv

[spice spire]

You should sim yourself, but more than likely it’ll be 252/246

[scarlet meadow]

yeah it is close on sims, thanks assistance

[balmy condor]

You see what I see?

[spice spire]

Back to work, yes master whispyr. Shiv on CD, of course

[rocky pecan]

Kek

[balmy condor]

[halcyon zealot]

real question is what r reds

[balmy condor]

Fucking nerd ass losers

[halcyon zealot]

bet

[balmy condor]

Nah reds are the homies

[rocky pecan]

67% on batterie care

[alpine latch]

So infexious green when?

[balmy condor]

He used to be orange ya know

[alpine latch]

Really?

[balmy condor]

Way way way back in the day

[alpine latch]

Damn

I was working my way up in the rogue world back in the EJ forums days

[balmy condor]

And then he left for youtube/twitch

[alpine latch]

But I was never even close to the top guys

[rocky pecan]

Top guys are on top cauz top group palmer

[echo cargo]

@balmy condor but do I sim myself?

[balmy condor]

[alpine latch]

Nope. Venmo me $20 a month and I'll run all the sims you need man

I got you fam

[echo cargo]

Sorry only orange homies get the venmo

[alpine latch]

I believe Whispyr's price is a bit higher.

[rocky pecan]

Who is orange?

[alpine latch]

Feel free to work that out though

[balmy condor]

Orange you glad I didn’t say apple

[rocky pecan]

I prefer apple

[spice spire]

[echo cargo]

Lemme get that orange juice 🧃

[rocky pecan]

Press whispyr

For orange juice

[echo cargo]

He likes being tagged

[alpine latch]

Fun fact. The color was named after the fruit.

[balmy condor]

I wake up every day with 40-60 pings

[alpine latch]

He just hits "Mark as Read" and moves on

lol

[rocky pecan]

I don't like that much tag ppl

[spice spire]

Whíspyr is actually really good about reading pings oddly.

Ik if I had that many I’d ignore

[subtle tundra]

no

[rocky pecan]

Well at this time he is prolly in bed looking ppl saying shit for sleep xd

[balmy condor]

bans feel so powerful wow

[rocky pecan]

Like this link xd

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-avengers-infinity-war-mind-stone-last-stone-infinity-gauntlet-gif-15735729

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rd4CEr5SUGEXtfyV6MTXHY to think i was lucky finally getting that neck >.<

[rocky pecan]

Kek take care he died at end

[brazen zodiac]

@obtuse robin guide me brother

[obtuse robin]

oh no not again

[brazen zodiac]

dude

i thought the neck would be good cause it replaces the haste but

apparently the sims god told me to go fuck ymself

[obtuse robin]

ur fine just hope u replace the trap ring

[toxic quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4PYqJbuyLSfcqneE5MFWFD

wtb Enhance Shaman

[brazen zodiac]

u mean the nine one?

[obtuse robin]

yes

[brazen zodiac]

ima run pf and get spider lady ring ig

[stiff tapir]

hey yall

question

double heroic sylvannas daggers?

or 252 MH, 246 sylvannas offhand

[spice spire]

Sim, probably 252 main hand tho

[limber lion]

5 is a lot for me.

[slow marsh]

imagine getting pings

[wintry mica]

I assume whispyr will be getting even more now

[balmy condor]

[topaz sparrow]

whispyr is a religion god

[rocky pecan]

@slow marsh 🤗

[topaz sparrow]

just bow and nod fellas

[spice spire]

That’s a bit far. But he’s been a very helpful and hard working dude. Making sure that rogues information is completely timely and correctly. Also a wealth of knowledge and a qt

[slow marsh]

HUGE QT

[rocky pecan]

What qt means?

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

quantum traveler

[spice spire]

If you say the letters q and t it sounds like cutie

That also works

[rocky pecan]

Oh OK I though cutie but I prefer the iceblades version

[spice spire]

Same

[soft shale]

i usually have 4 or 5

pog

[rocky pecan]

Well have a good night guys and gl for your vault tomorrow

[soft shale]

praydge for daggers

[hollow river]

My vault already crushed my hopes and dreams this week

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[alpine latch]

@hollow river bring me to your Sylv kill and I'll trade you one.. 500IQ play right there

[hollow river]

I already have all heroic sylv loot

I mean I wouldn’t turn down a second sylv dagger obv

Mainly just need phial and guardian trinket

[brazen zodiac]

@obtuse robin do u think i should keep the crit neck over the KT neck

even tho the sims say its a big decrease

[hollow river]

My sims say kt neck too

[limber lion]

Just trust your sims

[obtuse robin]

kt neck is bis

[dawn ivy]

kt neck is juicy

[limber lion]

Eh

Really depends on your other gear/setup

But yeh, Remnant/KT neck are both great.

Wouldn't scrap either

[dawn ivy]

the only haste i really have is from mythic kt neck/painsimith ring and arachnid ring

so kt neck is big time for me ❤️

[limber lion]

Yeh

That can definitely change with other gearing opportunities later on

So I would def keep it in your bags for the future

Just in case.

[brazen zodiac]

noted

[halcyon zealot]

keeping multiple rings/necks is always smart, such an easy way to shift some stats around for different types of content

i am a serial jewelry hoarder

[alpine latch]

I'm collecting 252s of everything. 9.2 hits and our Dom shards are useless

[wintry mica]

when you look up the leader of the "aotc only, checking logs" pug

[slow marsh]

every time

[strange python]

is sin playable with obedience?

[slow marsh]

its 2nd best leggo sim-wise so

[strange python]

pog

[spice spire]

Ice is right, absolutely unplayable (not serious, it’s more than playable, it’s pretty good)

[strange python]

i like sub but i kinda wanna try sin too

[wintry mica]

obe is close enough that it occasionally outsims dashing for me still lol

[spice spire]

Easy pathway. Obedience is still very good for us - you won’t get 30 stacks ever but in 20s, you’re in good shape

[slow marsh]

obed will be better on a lot of fights actually it just takes a bit more brain power to use

[balmy condor]

obedience is a gateway drug

to sub

[wintry mica]

whispyr going to start using mod powers to force us over to sub

[halcyon zealot]

idk if obedience takes brain power

but

[strange python]

im low on that

[frosty bridge]

zugzug me press flag on 2 cp zugzug

[strange python]

0cp

[frosty bridge]

The ultimate opener that theorycrafters don’t want you to know about

[wintry mica]

i only finish with ICP

gotta have my insane clown posse

[frosty bridge]

Stealth > ambush > flag > envenom > garrote > envenom > vendetta

[strange python]

down with the clown

[spice spire]

Cursed

[wintry mica]

no you are supposed to flag from stealth

[frosty bridge]

Oh yeah, forgot flag snapshots from nightstalker

[spice spire]

Apes

[strange python]

rofl

[wintry mica]

i wonder if it actually does lol

it would still suck

[frosty bridge]

As i wrote that i actually thought the same

But yeah the prio on the opener changes with maw rattle

[wintry mica]

tiny toxic blade>maw rattle

[frosty bridge]

Judgment of the arbiter gang

[spice spire]

[wintry mica]

at some point i do want to see like a full raid with judgement lol

[strange python]

is this standard raid talent for obedience?

[wintry mica]

will it just arc to everyone constantly or only one person at a time

thats standard raid talent for everything

[spice spire]

Seems good!

[strange python]

word