Oh nevermind, my dagger is also from vault.
#assassination
limber lion
arctic walrus
wel if only the vault dropped loot from first 8 bosses like i thought it was
???? What a privileged problem to have
fallen arch
Confirmed CF’s have loot hax
arctic walrus
Now I can finally start working on my blood gem true
obtuse robin
it would be privileged if it only effected little ppl
balmy condor
Oh nevermind, my dagger is also from vault.
Easy to forget, I understand
arctic walrus
Did you guys know that @urban thistle STILL has not looted a dagger
limber lion
Easy to forget, I understand
I only see 259 daggers everywhere I go, so I keep forgetting that I got a 252 weapon from my first vault
balmy condor
<a:mommy_monkeymad:875216222977921085>
I have concerns about that server vel
tall jay
Can some one link me a Tricks of the trade macro?
arctic walrus
I have concerns about that server vel
concerns? you sure they're not interests?
balmy condor
tall jay
Thank you
oblique jackal
urban thistle
Did you guys know that <@!108063678313566208> STILL has not looted a dagger
That's true
Many kills across 3 difficulties
arctic walrus
stray mural
real pewter
Does dashing only work on 1 target?
balmy condor
no
upper elm
That's true
You Are Not alone 
urban thistle
You Are Not alone <:FeelsWeird:585739277120307220>
It's ok, I got CE with no dagger
Dps is just a crutch
fair void
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2UuFvpwyS7rgCK8TQvVxQb can somebody tell me if my sim is ''low'' because of the gear or because i don't have the necessary stats? 36% crit 22% haste 9% versa
oak sky
Your sim is fine man
real pewter
@balmy condor By no do you mean that it's aoe?
so any poison on any target is affected?
balmy condor
it's a buff to envenom
which is a buff to your character
so you just get the effect
north basin
funny thing is what two top guardian hc logs with necro and doomblade. kek ((
obtuse robin
the first guy is fast kill and the 2nd is 254ilvl
balmy condor
obtuse robin
also wft
north basin
well i expected statistics will show venthyrs at the top1)
obtuse robin
the more you get used to using wcl the more u will get that other stuff is more important
north basin
coz there is a plenty of fast+ high level dashing venthyrs
north basin
obvious things u talking dude )
obtuse robin
the rare ppl out there that get kindred spirits
north basin
but there is 3k+ rogue logs there.
obtuse robin
if it was obvious u wouldnt of made that comment
north basin
i commented about it being funny
obtuse robin
ill just chalk it up to language barrier
north basin
we all chase for top solo sim and in the end some necro doomblade guy win xD
with no PI
subtle tundra
top logs are still very much determined a lot by lucky people with gear
obtuse robin
trying to explain that
subtle tundra
i got CE this week and still only sim 10.2k
i cant log very high cause my gear is shite
but that doesnt mean im bad
obtuse robin
if ur over 10k ur fine lol
subtle tundra
not for my expectations
obtuse robin
xdd
oak sky
Imagine having over 10k
oak sky
That would involve having all 5 dom sockets 
oak sky
My gear is shit bro
obtuse robin
if u dont have a sylv dagger ur shit
oak sky
Lmao
north basin
this some edited stuff or what. he dont even have 3% frost gem and no sin conduits. and hee do 12k
drowsy coral
HC logs
subtle tundra
10k is shit bro
never said its shit, its just low compared to what i want to achieve
oak sky
Its not about it being shit tho its how much you actually do in your raid or how much more you do for your group
obtuse robin
you presented it as fact and then said the other part after i called it out
but i dont care its a joke
rancid spade
does the api for dungeon slice count 4 garrotes between res?
balmy condor
does the api for dungeon slice count 4 garrotes between res?
Api = application program interface, like how discord bots interact with messages in a channel
APL = action priority list, the list that gets fed to simulationcraft on how to play the character
rancid spade
apl
rancid spade
ok thanks
chilly marsh
im seeing people using many legs m+ for necro. is there a biss or they are all close?
oak sky
Most people probably use legendary zoldyck legs
chilly marsh
Dashing Scoundrel, Doomblade, Deathspike
seeing people doing 20+ runing those
dont know if its for the fun only
but this guys runs each dungeon with one leg 
halcyon zealot
prob cuz if you’re playing assa in keys you’re not there for aoe damage , or they just simply cba to swap cuz it doesn’t matter
versed mica
Tfw farming Sylvanas since day 1 and still no dagger drop
Not even in vault. Got offered Sylvanas ring in vault 4 times so far tho
dapper zodiac
is dashing scoundrel legendary power really the best for raid atm?
mystic fractal
Depends a lot on your gear
versed mica
If paired with frost domination set yes, but it depends on gear
You need a lot of crit
dapper zodiac
i just got into the patch again
and i have doomblade from last patch
what would you suggest
halcyon zealot
until you have r4 frost set and ~40% crit, it’s safe to say doomblade will win
mystic fractal
It will be a bit to farm embers for frost shards and dom sockets anyway yeah
misty holly
I think someone said Doomblade is better for necrolords even with r5 and lots of crit
But for venthyr dashing pulls ahead
versed mica
Ye
halcyon zealot
yeah dashing is worse for necro
dapper zodiac
and for m+? the 100% crit leggo?
misty holly
Depends on the key level and how many restealths you can get off I suspect
Zoldyk is good too
oak sky
If you play MA you go nightstalker mfd and lose your garrote silence utility
But its a decent option for damage
chilly marsh
im going with zoldyk but looks like many legs are being used in 20+
rancid spade
is dashing scoundrel legendary power really the best for raid atm?
you go full crit 0 mastery
dapper zodiac
could
chilly marsh
was checkign board many tops are using Dashing Scoundrel, Doomblade, Deathspike or zoldyk
dapper zodiac
dashing be also usefull in m+ then?
oak sky
Not really but you can play what you want or try it if you feel like it
oak sky
i would never
chilly marsh
with dashing
balmy condor
good for him
balmy condor
correct
chilly marsh
looks fun changing legs for dungeons
balmy condor
your legendary decision will not impact your ability to time keys that much
but it is also strictly worse
weak cradle
do i wait to 40 stack of thrill seeker to pop coolies n stuff
oak sky
Doesnt sounds like something we would do
clear shadow
I tried dashing in m+ its not bad it makes u do way more envenom damge
vast forum
That's a big thonker
clear shadow
yeah the meters were like CT garrote envenom deadly poison
wintry mica
dashing doesnt do anything to increase your envenom damage
deft obsidian
I tried dashing in m+ its not bad it makes u do way more envenom damge
Me too, entirely by mistake as I was full raid gear and talented. Was an interesting time having me trolled for 20 mins
clear shadow
yeah but i used it more to proc the lego
usually i woujld try to spread ruptures and shit but i just used envenom
deft obsidian
Stonks
oak sky
It does increase your envenom damage though 
dark token
was checkign board many tops are using Dashing Scoundrel, Doomblade, Deathspike...
A lot of sin rogues don't have 262 zoldyck yet
They would use that if they have it
bleak spoke
is the envenom from dashing a change to the env buff or is it a debuff on target
bleak spoke
usually i woujld try to spread ruptures and shit but i just used envenom
because if it works like the normal env buff this might be the dumbest thing i've ever read
oak sky
Envenom buff
bleak spoke
oak sky
It makes your envenom and deadly poison crit more
bleak spoke
yeah so if you want the effect then you cast env to maintain the buff and not instead of rupture probably
tropic ocean
It makes your envenom and deadly poison crit more
doesnt it only make your poisons crit more and give energy
oak sky
Pretty sure envenom is just counted as a poison
clear shadow
because if it works like the normal env buff this might be the dumbest thing i'v...
yeah without dashing i would spread rupture
clear shadow
but with it i envenom instead
oak sky
It counts for mastery as well iirc
tropic ocean
but why would you stop spread rupture
deft obsidian
A lot of sin rogues don't have 262 zoldyck yet
Truth. My next leggo in 2 weeks 🙃
oak sky
Im not the one thats doing this build idk why stop rupture
clear shadow
like 15k crits on 1 target while increasing poison crit to like 65%
oak sky
But dashing buffs envenom crit
tropic ocean
I only have 235 dashing/zoldyck and I only play sin in top and halls but personally i think zoldyck execute paired with battle axe is a lot stronger than dashing
oak sky
Yep
tropic ocean
on tyran esp.
dark token
oak sky
And for mastery
dark token
Battle axe is a shit tier power in general btw
bleak spoke
why halls aus
dark token
And in pretty sure Zoldyck doesn't affect it
tropic ocean
why halls aus
struggle interrupts in pug
oak sky
Yeah i dont mind battle axe on tyran either
bleak spoke
ouch
tropic ocean
so if I can 3x silence, vanish 3x silence, 2 aoe pumpers can just blast
with deactivated brain, as usual
dark token
I go necrotic wound/stats every week except shade/explosive week
bleak spoke
iron wire pepelaff
dark token
Where I go bolster
dark token
Even on tyrannical it's not worth
oak sky
In fort weeks always stays
dark token
Because bosses last a little over 2 mins
tropic ocean
well not in my keys 😄
dark token
Meaning your 2nd set of CDs comes up in raging window
bleak spoke
Even on tyrannical it's not worth
i mean if it's the difference between wiping and not wiping then it's worth
people look at choices the wrong way in keys often imo
dark token
Aka the raging window is cut off cause people 2 mins
bleak spoke
like if there's a hard wipe condition and choosing something fixes that even if it's significantly worse it's usually worth
dark token
It's ok on fortified weeks actually but stats are 1000% better on tyrannical
tropic ocean
mad very good xp with triple melee battel axe
bleak spoke
the objective of m+ isn't to do big dammy it's to time keys
tropic ocean
in tyran top
chilly marsh
@dark token shade / explosive counts for boster?
dark token
Yes
chilly marsh
fuckign hell need to try it lol
dark token
I haven't seen any axe logs from rogues whatsoever in 20+ keys btw
Stats is just more dam
bleak spoke
explo is so easy now it's ridiculous tbh
oak sky
I think ive seen outlaw go battle axe
tropic ocean
idk i always pick it outside sd
bleak spoke
it's honestly shocking
tropic ocean
in 23/24
dark token
Makes sense cause they aren't a CD class
chilly marsh
you need to kill the explosive orb to get buff or tema killing counts?
dark token
But sin I wouldn't since it's cut off by your 2nd 2 mins
No any kill counte
You can have perma stack of the buff on explosive week lol
15% dam
Try a sim and add 240 stat or however much stats gives @tropic ocean
tropic ocean
but idc about overall brother
dark token
It's more damage than axe will do in keys
dark token
In my experience CDs come up towards the end of a boss again
The middle section is usually the scariest
oak sky
You would just want whatever does more boss damage
cerulean nest
guild's finally transferring to a real server, maybe we can actually recruit now
bleak sky
pog kanye
cerulean nest
Tichondrius, they didnt want the Big Two so this was a solid compromise
cerulean nest
feels good though, its been so so rough trying to fill the gaps so far
cerulean nest
we've had to swap main tanks like three times so far lol
hopefully closing in on a consistent full group though now
oak sky
Its probably hard to recruit new tanks
cerulean nest
hard to find yeah, and also hard for the group to receive lol
depending what kind of vibe they have
bleak spoke
from experience, the best tanks are usually your best dps players going "oh my god i can't watch this anymore, i'm swapping specs" 
deft obsidian
from experience, the best tanks are usually your best dps players going "oh my g...
Truth, so much truth
bleak spoke
yep, it's why all my alts are pure dps 
deft obsidian
Brother can only get parried so many times
bleak spoke
and i main rogue
cerulean nest
from experience, the best tanks are usually your best dps players going "oh my g...
literally what we've done twice lmao
bleak spoke
miss me with that shield shit
cerulean nest
facts
oak sky
Ive always been that type of sacrificial player that ends up tanking and shit in other games but no way its happening in this one lol
cobalt gyro
LMAO
oak sky
Dps or die
cobalt gyro
you're not wrong tho lettuce
oak sky
Meat gang forever
cobalt gyro
you pick up that shiel
cerulean nest
i actually enjoy tanking in other games, none played anywhere close to as seriously as wow of course, but yeah nah
cobalt gyro
and its over
cerulean nest
not in this game lol
cobalt gyro
you're just a tank
u are now the groups' tank
especially if you do much better than the other tank you had
bleak spoke
i got cranked by facts in the keys we just did but i was at like 8 or 9k roughly
cobalt gyro
"i cant control myself when it comes to wow"
oak sky
I would be happy to change classes for a guild if we were pushing for hof or something for a tier
But no tanking
cerulean nest
yeah I'm not switching for anything pretty much, don't have it in me. my guild is casually hardcore, not racing anyone, and I get my competitive kicks out of the way fighting to beat you all on logs lol. the actual speed of progression I don't think much about
tropic ocean
I would be happy to change classes for a guild if we were pushing for hof or som...
idk I started tanking as alt in bfa s2
its actually decently fun when you can lead the dungeon
oak sky
But i still wouldnt want to even main dungeon tanking
Much happier playing a bunch of dps classes
cerulean nest
when was the last genuinely interesting raid boss to tank
oak sky
Like flexing different picks in mdi or a push group sounds fun as fuck
bleak sky
its actually decently fun when you can lead the dungeon
dungeon is giga fun as a tank
feels a lot better than dps
or at least when your class is capped 
dawn ivy
surely venom rush/exsanguinate/hidden blades all get full reworks this .5 patch
oak sky
Surely pb gets a rework and ct becomes baseline
Surely blizzard edits at least a few talents on specs that have bad talents
idle star
9.1.5 changes will be big
How?
tribal marlin
📈 
solid swan
Frost or unholy for raids for assassination? crit's at 25% unbuffed.
fair pebble
if you only have 25% ur gonna wanna go blood
solid swan
Don't have the blood chest to do so
solid swan
Okay, thanks for the information.
balmy condor
Okay, thanks for the information.
Do not go blood or unholy ever
Frost is just better
Idk what that guy is on about
Aside from frost, the other options are pretty significantly behind
Not worth investing in
reef axle
Yeh you tell them!
bleak sky
thank god whispyr is here to save someone from wasting 150+ embers
idle star
50% buff to sepsis dmg gonne see it become bis??
bleak sky
50% buff to sepsis dmg gonne see it become bis??
idk wait for sims
idle star
I hope it does.
civic trellis
Kekw
balmy condor
50% buff to sepsis dmg gonne see it become bis??
civic trellis
Not even 100% would make it an optional choice
reef axle
Frost honestly feels alittle like afk damage, winds of winter does so much.
bleak sky
just wait until someone finds out about the secret exsanguinate hidden blades mastery stacking night fae sin
bleak sky
Frost honestly feels alittle like afk damage, winds of winter does so much.
yep, except when it procs on something like painsmith balls
balmy condor
I would eat my socks on stream
bleak sky
then it's painful
zinc frost
Imagine it being as simple as a conduit buff making a covenant bis
balmy condor
Imagine it being as simple as a conduit buff making a covenant bis
I mean buff a conduit hard enough…
Just needs another idk
900%
bleak sky
bleak spoke
if theyd bring shrouded suffocation back
ct baseline, shrouded in that slot please
even if it's just the cp and not the dmg increase 
having 3 cp after 3 garrotes feels so limp
tropic ocean
yea
wide ridge
9.1.5 changes will be big
anything leaking or yall just 
bleak spoke
just 
dark token
i mean even existing changes will be nice buffs
fok gives more cp and crimson tempest + dp dot on everything
thats already making sin better in keys
if the dot is uncapped, even more so
balmy condor
anything leaking or yall just <:copium:854628182104080414>
My copium emote will be ready just in time for the height of 9.1.5 ptr
slow marsh
lel
balmy condor
excelleennnntttt
delicate berry
Thinking I'm going back to sin main over ven boomie
balmy condor
slow marsh
y tho
balmy condor
One of the most desired ranged specs to an underrated melee
delicate berry
Rotation is so much smoother and less 30 sec of bliss
balmy condor
delicate berry
Still raiding on both mind you and m+
obtuse robin
pleasure gamer
delicate berry
Just going rogue for raid progression
obtuse robin
after they buff sepsis ur have no choice but to go rogue
delicate berry
I mean boomies dmg outside of cds is trash feels bad
obtuse robin
obtuse robin
lmao
balmy condor
My best friend is a kyrian boomy
Well
Turned guardian
Kyrian guardian is underrated tbh
obtuse robin
bear is def the play if ppl wanna mess around with kindred
prisma cypress
is sin rogue underrated
delicate berry
I think so
Imho
I never run in to any
Everyone is cmbt or sub
And hard to get into a M+ outside of a group you know
Least in my experiance
prisma cypress
definitely is if you're like me with 1800 m+ rating lol
obtuse robin
sin upcomming best rogue spec in 9.1.5 in m+
idle star
sin upcomming best rogue spec in 9.1.5 in m+ <:copium:854628182104080414>
Where you seeing all these changes?
obtuse robin
gusty mirage
sin upcomming best rogue spec in 9.1.5 in m+ <:copium:854628182104080414>
I'll huff it with you brother
torn atlas
On the one hand, I would love to see us become bis for m+.
On the other I enjoy being able to be competitive on leaderboards since there's like 2 good Sin rogues on my server.
halcyon zealot
sin is perfectly competitive in m+ if you have an actual team and don’t pug all ur keys
idle star
Count me out then
spice spire
that's illegal
gusty mirage
that's illegal
you're illegal
limber lion
Depends on your definition of competitive
halcyon zealot
like i play with an MM hunter and a boomy, and me being sin is actually prob better than being sub
limber lion
But yeah
spice spire
@gusty mirage go back to enjoy your trip
halcyon zealot
i mean for what people are doing, up to like 2400io
spice spire
also food check
halcyon zealot
its more than fine imo
spice spire
also ratio'd
gusty mirage
smh my head
tropic ocean
i mean for what people are doing, up to like 2400io
above as well
i dont think anyone ever inspected me this season
and i cant remember any seasons where all 3 rogue specs were this viable
gusty mirage
i dont think anyone ever inspected me this season
no one inspects anyone
halcyon zealot
like when playing with a MM hunter who does 40k dps every other pull on trash, i dont feel the need to play sub, i still do like 10-15k on most packs then carry boss damage
tropic ocean
it used to happen quite regularly in bfa in high keys
but now it seems gone
at least from my exp
halcyon zealot
i think it depends on comp, if youre pugging, outlaw or sub is prob better imo
gusty mirage
had a dude wonder why our hunter was in melee range like 25 minutes into a key
I was like he's survival you dingus
wheat lance
i think it depends on comp, if youre pugging, outlaw or sub is prob better imo
Just pug your own key and build a team around you.
obtuse robin
kinda hard to do when ur 50 runs in trying to get phial
obtuse robin
lmao
slow marsh
i had an hpal doing 600 dps in a 15 mists a couple days ago
pretty sure they were dropping consc and then afking
gusty mirage
idle star
Immm boored of woooow. When you have no rl friends playing this game is lame af after a while
tropic ocean
make new friends inside the game
hollow river
nvm
idle star
make new friends inside the game
Lol.
snow zealot
Are the Edge of Night daggers worth using on the Sylvanas fight over same ilvl stat stick daggers?
balmy condor
Usually yeah
safe barn
!wa
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plush garnet
Does frost + dashing scoundrel change rotation from doomblade ?
ebon notch
any way we can avoid darkness on p3 sylv?
wdym which darkness
everything on that fight is darkness
plush garnet
Sorry I meant to say opener, but I assume the answers the same?
wide ridge
wdym which darkness
the fucking heal absorb
ebon notch
the fucking heal absorb
nah
wild beacon
any way we can avoid darkness on p3 sylv?
not that i've discovered, i have tried cloak but yeah doesn't work. need to spread before the cast goes off so it only hits the people it targets.
ebon notch
its the same heal absorb as p1 and p2 why would cloak suddenly work in p3
you can use vial to help mitigate the size of the absorb
get it off you quicker
but other than that ur chilling
static rock
im looking at wcl and in the top 100 on a lot of bosses only like 2% of rogues are using obedience
is there a reason because the sims says obedience is better then doomblade
lavish lichen
Arent the top logs using dashing instead tho?
wintry mica
most likely because the top 100 sin rogues did not craft a 262 obe
they crafted 262 doomblade and then dashing
hollow escarp
also obedience is not the best either
static rock
71% dashing and 26% doomblade
wintry mica
it sims the highest for some people
it outsims dashing for me with r5 frost at 42% crit
static rock
3% obedience
wintry mica
but its like single digit dps difference
hollow escarp
also not all assa rogues are venthyr
static rock
yeah there was 12 necro on top 100 guardians
static rock
how far is obedience?
hollow escarp
I'm necro so I don't sim it
hollow river
How does necro feel in raid kojack
hollow escarp
more cozy because of fleshcraft 😄
hollow river
I might switch back once we get done with the bosses I prefer sub on
wintry mica
yea I get very little use out of door for like 90% of the raid lol
hollow river
Yep
hollow escarp
it was a bit annoying that right when I swapped to necro we had the sbs bugs for 1-2 weeks
I did my Prove your worth quest this week just so I have a free transfer to venthyr in case I will need any time soon
static rock
what is optimal haste? thinking of trying sin soon
hollow escarp
we are on painsmith so if we ever need damage on guardian, that could be an option
wintry mica
what is optimal haste? thinking of trying sin soon
whatever top gear tells you
hollow river
we are on painsmith so if we ever need damage on guardian, that could be an opti...
We’re on painsmith as well and I’m debating running sub
hollow escarp
we have very good single target damage so we don't really need
we just need to survive mechanics 
hollow river
Yeah same
Sub can get a decent amount of funnel on that fight tho
From balls and adds
hollow escarp
yeah, it can carry damage on spiked as well
wintry mica
so yea obe is currently 3 dps ahead of dashing for me 
static rock
whatever top gear tells you
i have like 11% haste with all my haste gear in, just wondering if that means if i need to farm way more haste or not
wintry mica
at least for all of my ST sims crit>haste>>>everything else
hollow escarp
especially with frost set
wintry mica
but your best bet is to just top gear everything
I dont have that great of gear and im at 16.5% haste
broken hollow
Are sin rogues using the deathly shadows swap, or does it not work for us?
wintry mica
only works for sub
broken hollow
bummer. i thought i saw that it was fixed for outlaw, but not sin/sub... and i didn't want to burn the ash to try it out. tyvm
wintry mica
yea it only works for sub since its a different spell ID for them
arctic hare
is Relic of the Frozen wastes worth it?
arctic hare
Oh well, I'll just sim it afterwards
plush garnet
I can't tell if my set is going off
ebon notch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aUpKJRcSdUAm9VYBWYFNMB
use top gear
ebon notch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aUpKJRcSdUAm9VYBWYFNMB
young man why have you upgraded
3 different gems
to rank 5
you have 1 gem from each set
bleak spoke
variety is the spice of life 
ebon notch
im sry @plush garnet but im going to need an answer
plush garnet
1 sec
raiding
okay
uh
I was running unholy gems
before
I've been raiding every week, so I got a lot of upgrades
so I've just been upgrading all my shards, doing the dmg ones first
but I just swapped to frost set today
ebon notch
ok but you do know that the set bonus only increases based on the lowest level gem right?
fair pebble
lol
plush garnet
thats good news cause mine is not popping off like I thought it would
plush garnet
fuck this game man why dont they have that in a note somewhere in thegame
does it say that in game? am I just dumb
plush garnet
fml
ebon notch
nah its not in the game
fair pebble
I did the same mistake
ebon notch
but in like 2 weeks you can have rank 4
plush garnet
I'm just pissed because for literally ever I've been using my unholy set with a low level shard
ebon notch
???
kind edge
ebon notch
did you never think to check why your dps wasnt going up when you upgraded the gems?
plush garnet
I thought the upgrade was just the shard effect itself
ebon notch
well i mean once you get rank 5 frost set you'll be hard chilling
cobalt pelican
this is why you always consult an adult before making gearing decisions in world of warcraft
ebon notch
i always harass multiple adults from this discord before i do anything
isnt that right @kind talon
ebon notch
relevant
just the ones from the set
so lowest frost shsard
dictates the set bonus level of your frost set
this is what you can look forward to with rank 5
zinc frost
RIP all those embers 
plush garnet
I've been raiding for weeks with my unholy set apparently lvl 1
plush garnet
I hate this game why wouldn't they put that in big red letters some where man
plush garnet
brb
fair pebble
you would be good
arctic hare
well i mean once you get rank 5 frost set you'll be hard chilling
Heh, nice pun
plush garnet
Fuck well you know what, on the bright side I'm excited to max the set then
because I already do pretty solid dps
so at least its something to look forward to
fair pebble
And this time
dont save up till you can upgrade the next shard to lvl 5
spread out your resources on the 2 shards you need to upgrade
plush garnet
So is the set effect based on your 3 frost shards? or all 5 you have equipped
the level I mean
fair pebble
Its based on the set that you ahve equipped
so if your running the frost set
its based on the 3 frost shards minimum level
fair pebble
lowest level*
ebon notch
@plush garnet
you may wanna check on ur guildies
in case they are thinking the same thing
or if you spread some interesting information
plush garnet
I literally just asked a guildie that didn't know either, that I raid with
LMAO
fuck me man
balmy condor
oof
kind talon
isnt that right <@!170031192400199681>
True
ebon notch
Guys, I did it.. is it bis? probably not but no more 3cp mutilates on MA buff
i mean these are my stats rn
from the sim
plush garnet
whispyr could I see your sim
plush garnet
Well you're running frost + dashing right, so just your personal sim
balmy condor
I run blood
oak sky
Imagine he still gets 3cp mutilates 
plush garnet
wtf theres a blood build too?
oak sky
Whispyr plays sub my man
balmy condor
yes, it's called subtlety
plush garnet
Oh I thought you played both specs
Whoever has a reliable frost + dashing sim I could compare to
could they link it :)
oak sky
Whqt are you trying to compare?
cobalt pelican
plush garnet
thx
wide ridge
so, the 230 crafted necklace says it has 3 different secondary stats on sims, but it only has 2 in game. do you know if sims take these 3 secondaries as true? cause it's simming highest for me
balmy condor
yeah
the tooltips are pulled from wowhead
the the item is fine
but wowhead mangled all the crafted tooltips
so it's all trash
wide ridge
the the item is fine
so I guess sims are correct despite the tooltip error?
balmy condor
correct
wide ridge
sounds good, ty m'lord
ebon notch
@balmy condor i did a boost today with a guy who was 254 ilvl
with double sylvanas daggers
the passive was doing up to 10% of his damage
wide ridge
254 
alpine latch
obtuse robin
21 more times for court of stars cya there brother
actually
wil be way less
20 % chance drop every run
slim pebble
I have 2, 252 daggers and a 246 Edge of night sims 115 lower for me... I thought the 246 dagger was supposed to be an up?
balmy condor
yeh it gains with bs/deeper
and it gains if you don't play sin
sin benefits the least out of all the specs
oak sky
It sims better for me in offhand with ep vigor
slim pebble
So I don't need to hit my head against the wall to farm it anymore if I don't play bs/depper
deeper*
balmy condor
I mean they're still pretty good depending on gear
but heroic compared to 252's
probably not
wheat lance
Feels bad though. Got a HC sylv dagger wed and sims 45dps more for my sin set, but simmed 260 dps more for sub. I have 2x252 prior to drop.
thorny pond
It’s a big part of sub performing well among other things
ebon notch
sin benefits the least out of all the specs
why?
wide ridge
generates cp slower than other specs
balmy condor
yeah
less finisher means less procs means less damage
sub has deeper daggers which buffs it
outlaw has celerity which buffs it
sin has... nothing
obtuse robin
and gs
balmy condor
yeah gs as well
obtuse robin
obtuse robin
outlaw quadruple dips
oak sky
Sin will get something interesting eventually
wide ridge
9.1.5 for sure
oak sky
I feel like we should start the 9.2 copium now
wide ridge
sin tier set bonus will be the best, for sure
wide ridge
@blizzard replace hidden blades with echoin blades trait from bfa, tyvm 
oak sky
New level 50 row
balmy condor
@blizzard replace hidden blades with echoin blades trait from bfa, tyvm <:peepoh...
without CT baseline, this is actually hella bad imo
but with CT baseline
they would need to be tuned down pretty hard
kinda rough
oak sky
CT baseline, pb better, echoing blades talent, new talent
wide ridge
in all seriousness, no way we get a 9.3 right
obtuse robin
nah
wide ridge
9.2.5 at max i'd say
obtuse robin
and 9.2.5 literally only to wrap up the story
wide ridge
if we get 9.3 this expansion will last 4 years 
oak sky
Definitely not true
balmy condor
what
dawn ivy
thats assuming a hyper delayed release schedule
oak sky
No reason to assume every patch will be as long as 9.0 tbh
oak sky
Or that 9.1 will be long
obtuse robin
jeez
wide ridge
sorry my monke brain has been taught that a big patch releases every 6 months
obtuse robin
and it does matter when it releases
balmy condor
does it
oak sky
Could be that they rushed 9.1 to make 9.2 good
I reacted for you guys
Now slap on the copium
balmy condor
I mean it's either bugged rushed content earlier, or not rushed content later
regardless people complain
they either complain it's bugged and bad
or they complain that it came too late and game dead cause drought
oak sky
I believe in the transformative power of 9.2
balmy condor
no matter how they release
wintry mica
lol yea I see tons of people complaining about 9.1.5 and its like way bigger and more useful shit than most .5 patches
obtuse robin
and we have discussions on it all
oak sky
A good patch to go with the fixed systems in 9.1.5
obtuse robin
like we do all the time
balmy condor
to talk about 3 patches in advance
balmy condor
yeh
oak sky
I cant wait for 10.3
kind talon
M+ is fun balance is good
oak sky
Gonna be so sick
balmy condor
y'all think 11.0 drops in 2026 or 2027
wintry mica
im on that 11.2 train
kind talon
So fucking annoying
kind talon
W/e man
wintry mica
cant wait till BFA m+ timewalking in 12.1.5
obtuse robin
obtuse robin
its natural i know
balmy condor
why care if it's in june or july
oak sky
Tbh i only care if blade flurry is getting uncapped
obtuse robin
holy
oak sky
Because if it doesnt 🥳
kind talon
@obtuse robin Ye I think it’s just a lot of exasperation being around this discord a lot, so many ppl are constantly complaining
And in the community at large
ebon notch
<@!210877208737087488> Ye I think it’s just a lot of exasperation being around t...
game is shit dude wdym
wintry mica
i was honestly surprised it took that long for someone to respond with a complaint
obtuse robin
w/e
oak sky
obtuse robin
i am having fun tho
oak sky
People who are done with mythic prog and have timed 25s can say its not fun
kind talon
prove me wrong
Going in to pugs at 5 am to play sylv strats
obtuse robin
but prolly only cuz rogue is good
ebon notch
Going in to pugs at 5 am to play sylv strats
thats cause im mentally ill
game is objectively bad
kind talon
i am having fun tho
Ye it’s just the amount of ppl who come in and complain perma but still play for like 10 hr
Idk
Weird champ for sure
Idk how I’m thought policing?
obtuse robin
not you
oak sky
Cant wait to go do korthia in like 20 min here i havent played all day 
kind talon
Game is not updated very often, it’s the same content
But like
It depends on whether you enjoy that content enough to replay it a lot
obtuse robin
tru
balmy condor
thought policing on tame stuff
I'm not thought policing, you can say whatever you want, idk why you're so pressed about me being tired of complaints and not getting why it matters though
I'm just vibin saying I don't get it
and you're getting all mad about it
obtuse robin
cuz ur a cf and u flame on dumb stuff
obtuse robin
no1 does it like u do
oak sky
If theres class changes in 9.1.5 that could be really fucking fun
balmy condor
sorry you don't like me I guess
obtuse robin
i do tho
balmy condor
idk how I'm supposed to respond to that
like
you want me to apologize for having an opinion?
obtuse robin
idc
kind talon
wide ridge
how am i going to farm EoC in 9.1.5?
what in the unholy name of satan is eoc
kind talon
Eye of command
oak sky
Yo whispyr u still hate hpriest 
kind talon
Trinket from upper Kara
balmy condor
we don't gotta fight just cause we disagree about the importance of patch launches ya know
that's all I'm saying
obtuse robin
right over ur head
kind talon
what in the unholy name of satan is eoc
Gives u scaling crit with each attack against an enemy without switching
obtuse robin
at mach speed
wide ridge
Trinket from upper Kara
taht shit good?
obtuse robin
insane
wide ridge
fuck man i never thought i'd had to farm timewalk wtf
ebon notch
Trinket from upper Kara
its not available during timewalking sry bud
wintry mica
yea thats the joke lol
wide ridge
.
kind talon
its not available during timewalking sry bud
Nice job saying it after me u slow noob
obtuse robin
took 3 different tones in a matter of 20 mins
wide ridge
is that ring from suramar dungeon any good?
balmy condor
what
wide ridge
the one that increases auto dmg
oak sky
Not again
kind talon
is that ring from suramar dungeon any good?
Yes
It would be bis if the effect was on it
But we gotta just wait
wide ridge
it's not?
wintry mica
lol
wide ridge
a
oak sky
The answer is we don't know because ptr doesnt have tw yet
kind talon
:)
wintry mica
oak sky
Like every question about 9.1.5 is gonna be answered in ptr
obtuse robin
funny
wide ridge
i think having bis items on a timewalk event is wack
oh missed the legion timewalk? wait a couple months
boo
ebon notch
@kind talon im playing monster hunter you big fukin idiot
wintry mica
<@!170031192400199681> im playing monster hunter you big fukin idiot
which one
wintry mica
there still a lot of people on that? i was playin rise for a bit but havent gone back to iceborne
misty holly
y'all think 11.0 drops in 2026 or 2027
2026 would already be later than I expect, so let's hope it's not 2027...
ebon notch
What about mine
stfu u just call me rude things
kind talon
stfu u just call me rude things
Just be my pay pig 🐖
wide ridge
<@!167090536602140682> whats ur patreon link
gift subs on whispyr stream like oxi
he'll appreciate it
ebon notch
wait he streams?
ebon notch
must be the most cynical passive aggressive stream ever
wide ridge
@gusty mirage is the man
ebon notch
all the questions he gets in discord except in his chat
obtuse robin
his stream is actually chill
wide ridge
i was watching him play fall guys
obtuse robin
just thathe plays sub
wide ridge
err i mean painsmith
obtuse robin
kind talon
Lmaoooooo
balmy condor
from flaming about patch discussion to playing the victim to being reasonable
Homie don't gaslight me, I came in with an opinion, that being I think it's pointless, at no point did I flame you personally. Sure I came in with a who asked, but like cmon. I haven't been mad at any point in time through this, nor have I been playing the victim. I seriously don't know what I said to make you mad, but I feel like I've been pretty consistent on this
oak sky
Ive dropped into whispyrs stream i just wish he looked like he was having fun
obtuse robin
iv seen that behavoir pattern to many times im good
wide ridge
kind talon
ebon notch
obtuse robin
ex gf type of shit
ebon notch
https://tenor.com/view/haiscaio-gif-18068129
Who tf is this dude
That's kinda horrifying
obtuse robin
lmao
kind talon
Who tf is this dude
Bro that’s Michael Jackson face swappped with the most handsome man of alltime
wide ridge
balmy condor
ex gf type of shit
good reply thank you
obtuse robin
your welcome
ebon notch
<:bruh:839370668817514567> good reply thank you
You think about what you did >:(
kind talon
So must have been pretty deep
Not as deep as I was in your mom last night
brazen zodiac
to think i was gonna read up on the chat to see some new information or something >.<
oak sky
Bad idea
obtuse robin
lmao
kind talon
to think i was gonna read up on the chat to see some new information or somethin...
Dashing legendary with the frost set is extremely powerful
ebon notch
bro im learning so many new things
oak sky
Omegaluliguess
obtuse robin
yo i need that
ebon notch
@balmy condor put this in the FAQ ppl need to see this
kind talon
Omegaluliguess
Dashing legendary with the frost set is extremely powerful
ebon notch
shits bis
kind talon
I need to keep this on topic
Dashing legendary with the frost set is extremely powerful
oak sky
I guess its
obtuse robin
here is something new
kind talon
Especially for venthyr
oak sky
OMEGALULiguess
obtuse robin
sepsis 9.1.5 giga bis
ebon notch
guys is crit good for frost set?
ebon notch
fk off noob
oak sky
Just like normal
wide ridge
only if your heart tells you so
ebon notch
i need someone to spell it out for me