assassination

[oak sky]

Could be

[wintry mica]

anyway have a good one yall

[storm quest]

preciate you guys ❤️

[hollow river]

are you sure you're turning on the set bonus in the sim?

[brazen zodiac]

hey guys, im trying to sim rn but i cant switch my lethal poison to WPS. anyone know if and how i can change it in the code?

[hollow river]

oh no you mean conduits

should be a soulbind tree at the bottom

you can tick the box to unlock all conduits

and you can hard lock them to a certain ilvl as well

[brazen zodiac]

no i meant i'm trying to run a quicksim/droptimizer and i need to change my shit to WPS from lethal poison

like change it in the code

unless that changes it lmfao

[hollow river]

ah idk

[storm quest]

i fixed it i was clicking the replace gems and enchants and we are good it says i need to stack crit now.

wasnt***

[fathom flax]

Here

[hollow river]

noice

[fathom flax]

soulbind="nadjia_the_mistblade:8,331586/229:7:0/331576/233:8:0/331579/231:7:0/235:8:0/331584/238:9:0/352366/283:7:0/352373"

@brazen zodiac

The 9th bracket along is 252 WPS

238:9:0 just paste there where your LP is

[brazen zodiac]

ah thank u very much

conduit energy bullshit kinda lame ;p

[fathom flax]

As the resident low effort raider I’ve never struggled

Set and forget

[brazen zodiac]

i switch from raid to m+ all the time haha

and pvp

i cant rly think of a good argument as to why they have it there in the first place but idk ;p

[oak sky]

do u play different specs a lot?

because you could always just set up theotar for some stuff

[brazen zodiac]

nah i only play sin but i just like constantly testing.

i dont use theo for m+ but i kinda want to. sims say its def better but i forgot how to sim/advance sim the theo tea shit. dont really know if i should follow top gear sims with that vs advanced.

[oak sky]

i definitely wouldnt know how to do that

probably agi tea and crit are good

tbh i dont know which ones there are

[brazen zodiac]

i just remember simming it once for my ST and it said vers was ahead by like 40 so idk.

[oak sky]

yeah

you probably would mostly want theotar for dungeons anyway

theyre probably all pretty good

[brazen zodiac]

honestly probs

ill try it out ig

[terse talon]

damn its nice doing m+ after a week of spiteful 😄

[dark token]

mfw i accidentally equipped obedience for all of prog

LMAO

not the worst i suppose

[bleak sky]

obe is good

[dark token]

ye but i have same ilvl dashing

when i go back to it my flagellation timings will be messed up

since i did 30 pulls of obedience and got used to it

actually this was fatescribe

i went obedience + CT thats actually pretty good

vs dashing + poison bomb

[fathom flax]

@brazen zodiac I have Theo set up for m+ and it’s super good like

[dark token]

make sure you skip the potency conduit for the group vers

sleeper op

especially with obedience

[brazen zodiac]

what u take?

@fathom flax

[solar latch]

he guys, should I go Nadjia this week for m+ cuz of tyranic?

[royal lantern]

eh, not really

you still spend most of the time doing adds

and like, the difference bettwen nadjia and theo is not THAT big for st aswell

[wanton creek]

is outlaw venthyr terrible or just not optimal

[rocky pecan]

it's bis ST i think not 100% sure

[placid pagoda]

Reckon it’s worth going back venth for extra 150 dps?

[placid pagoda]

If you Check rio the top 5 rogues are vent

[amber quail]

How much haste you usually sit in Raid?
I think I need to recalibrate my stats...

[prisma lark]

In M+, do I prefer SBS uptime > LBE uptime? Was wondering if I want to get 3 sbs out asap or delay them to have LBE for the entire duration of packs.

[drowsy parcel]

probably sbs uptime

have you considered marileth over emeni

[prisma lark]

I did play marileth before, but wanted to try out emeni

I assume sbs uptime too, but I wonder if somebody has the exact info on that

which also might affect the decision, we're 2 melees + tank

[ornate dawn]

Depends on your cov/build I suppose - for example im venth, frost - about 22% haste 41 crit, but varies wildly so worth simming

[wind totem]

If I pick CT for a fight like Soulrender. How do I play with CT when it's just the boss? Do I still keep it up? Where does it lie on the priority order?

Also what does my opener as venthyr look like with ct?

[shadow tusk]

You Keep it up as a dot on st outside shiv Windows

[wind totem]

What about my opener? How does it change?

[shadow tusk]

Same applies ct after your shiv

[iron geode]

when doing big pulls in m+ is there such thing as too many ruptures, i feel i lose out on dps with having to cast so much

[feral wasp]

planning to switch to necro from venthyr, please stop me 😄

[gusty mirage]

No, you spread the ruptures for damage in aoe. Just make sure you fit in an envenom every now and then to keep up slice n dice

But tyran weeks like this, if the mobs aren’t going to live super long I wouldn’t bother spreading so many ruptures simply because the trash is going to just melt

[steep hamlet]

So I never played any legion , is there any like giga op trinkets or something that I should be looking out for when they do the time limited M+ thing?

or have they said that you cant use the loot in like actual content

[cursive silo]

People will talk about it when it drops

For now we dunno

[steep hamlet]

I see

[spice spire]

Just the ring thus far

[steep hamlet]

what ring is this?

[vocal edge]

10% auto attack damage from I think CoS

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=134542/jeweled-signet-of-melandrus?bonus=1826:1472

[cursive silo]

We don’t know if it works lol

[spice spire]

Hence the “thus far”

[burnt star]

Also remember we will have 2 week of legion timewalking

As oppose to the normal 1 week

Will.give more time.to farm what u want

[fair void]

hi guys can you tell me what build should i use in m+ as sin?

[spice spire]

Most of the time you should go ELaborate Planning/subterfuge/Vigor/Crimson Tempest

But I’ve also done dungeons in full ST mode. The only evergreen thing is that you’ll always run crimson tempest

[fair void]

thx

[spice spire]

No worries

[brazen zodiac]

hey everyone, is there an easier way to sim food crit, haste, and feast in top gear? all in one go?

[keen flint]

R3 frost or R5 unholy?

[cursive silo]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[cursive silo]

@brazen zodiac ^

[spice spire]

Simming is always the play. As it depends on your gear

And also are you looking for the right now or the potential

[keen flint]

potential is frost for sure

but

[brazen zodiac]

thx couldnt remmeber the command

[keen flint]

I just upgrade unholy too fast

[spice spire]

I’d just recommend simming it for the now 😛 a lot of factors in determining if frost is the best for rn

[alpine latch]

@spice spire run PF with me and give me Phial?

😢

[spice spire]

When you need it papi?

I’m free whenever

This weekend*

[alpine latch]

I've ran like 12 PFs so far this week

[spice spire]

That’s pain

I had to run 31 for mine

[alpine latch]

I've only seen one drop this entire season and they couldn't trade it

[bleak sky]

that's a big sad

[spice spire]

But I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy

[alpine latch]

I ran 10 in the last 2 nights.

Everyone thinks I hate m+ and yet I run a good bit of it... lol

[spice spire]

But I already have 246. So yeah I’ll message you my bnet and you can just hmu whenever you need a funnel king

[alpine latch]

I'm considering just buying funnel runs and saying eff it

[spice spire]

And I’ll ping you when my group gets

[alpine latch]

Works for me. I have raid tonight and I'll be intoxicated af

[bleak sky]

if you don't have 4 trinket friends that's not bad tbh

[spice spire]

LMFAO

[alpine latch]

Like half of our raid is out this week for different things so there's only 11 of us. We're doing a drunk heroic run

And calling this week a wash

[slow marsh]

Horde?

[alpine latch]

yeah

[slow marsh]

Or ally

[alpine latch]

Horde

[slow marsh]

Rip I never get to help anyone lol

[alpine latch]

Oh, don't worry.. My alliance needs it too

lol

My Horde is what I raid on. My Alliance is an alt I run keys with

My Vanilla guild still plays Alliance. I don't raid with them but I do keys and hang out with them a lot

Sadly my Alliance rogue got Edge of Night before my Horde did, but they both happened within two days of each other.

[slow marsh]

Nice. I thought about leveling a horde rogue to have two but after thinking about it it doesn't make sense for me

[alpine latch]

I called in a favor and got a one-time-only carry through SoD

And I picked up 3 Dom sockets and Edge

[slow marsh]

Nice

[alpine latch]

Luckiest run I've ever had

[slow marsh]

I just had my little bro run heroic with me last night on his boomie and got him like 5 pieces of loots so yeah the carry can be real

[alpine latch]

That's awesome.

[slow marsh]

Yeah I was happy about it. It'll be nice having a good boomie for once instead of shitters

[peak bobcat]

Wtb rank 5 frost shards

[arctic hare]

Welp, guess its keys for today

[spice spire]

That’ll be 300 embers

[spice spire]

Get those keys brother

[fallen arch]

Tilting

Still 2 resets away

Cos my dumb ass funneled too many into unholy

[pale plank]

I know someone linked a WA for embers yesterday, does anybody has that WA? Bcz I can’t find it anymore

[cobalt pelican]

have you tried typing the word ember into wago

[fallen arch]

^

https://wago.io/QIYlD-Jsv

But there ya go laddy

It opens when u open the currency tab

[pale plank]

TY

[arctic hare]

So glad I found that quaking tracker

[rocky rain]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vZ4aQBnmKr2TXhWM#fight=4&view=replay

^ Can someone confirm for me what happened here from 1:25 - 1:35. I get thrown back, shadowstep in and instadie to a frontal

I thought at the time the tank must have spun the boss during the cast so I shadowstep behind and then get hit

But it looks like it just shadowstepped me in front?

[cobalt pelican]

you'd need more than a wcl replay to glean any information from this

[rocky rain]

Well you can see the tank that the boss is targetting doesn't move, you can see the direction the boss is facing doesn't move, you can see I shadowstep at the front and instadie

But that's not supposed to happen?

Does shadowstep sometimes put you in front? or is there something weird with that boss?

[ruby birch]

@rocky rain on phone so I can't watch, what did you die to

Suffering?

If so, sub 80% his helmet will start casting suffering through him. This is indicated by a white line, it is possible you got hit by that instead

[rocky rain]

It's possible, but I don't think you can see where the helm is on the replay. It still shadowsteps me pretty much onto the tank though

When I should be the other side

This is where I end up, right on the tank and right where the boss is looking. Our feral also seems to wild charge to the wrong side

weird

[cobalt pelican]

the damage source wasn't from the helm, but realistically you cannot see direction boss is facing in wcl replay accurately

like using the cones is pointless

[rocky rain]

Sure, but isn't he looking at the tank?

[dense hamlet]

well boss faces the current tank while casting sufferng

if its not in animation of random shit

it faces the current tank

[cobalt pelican]

wow really thanks i didn't know that

[dense hamlet]

well

then what ur saying didnt make sense

u wcl dosent have to show were boss is facing

[rocky rain]

The blood DK has aggro so he should be facing pretty much where the red cone is

afaik

[dense hamlet]

yes

well red cone couldve been wrong but ye if he has agro

boss is facing him

[rocky rain]

Also neither the blood DK, boss and me don't move after shadowstep

Just very weird

But no one is saying it's common, so maybe just a random one off

[cobalt pelican]

yeah dude the only relevant information doesn't need to be there to figure out what happened

bosses can micro-turn around

shadowstep is not bugged

that's why i said you'd need more than a wcl replay

because it won't record accurately what happened

realistically even if this was common nobody would notice it because you never have to step during suffering-end assuming the fight is played correctly anyway

[rocky rain]

We had a dispell right before

Perhaps poorly timed 😛

[cosmic sandal]

hey lads, opener question as sin- Mutilate
Slice and Dice
Mutilate
Garrote
Rupture
Vendetta
Shiv
Vanish
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

Should i throw i mutilate to 4 before i vanish

[neon pasture]

That's just bad dispell y, dispell should happen straight after suffering cast

[rocky rain]

Flag before rupture if you have it

muti til 4 CPs will probably only need one muti because of crits

[cosmic sandal]

yeah true

[rocky rain]

But yeah, don't muti to full before vanish

[cosmic sandal]

should i mut - vanish -enven, mut enven?

[rocky rain]

crit buff on muti is a little better than crit buff on enven

[cosmic sandal]

to utilise MA

[prisma cypress]

is it? thats surprising

[neon pasture]

Difference is minimal

[rocky rain]

because both hands can crit

and you get CPs

[neon pasture]

On pull you do mut-env-mut, later in the fight you can env-mut-env if it fits, doesn't matter

[rocky rain]

So yeah, what you posted first is great. Just throw flag in if you have it

[cosmic sandal]

I just ripped it off the website guide haha, I just was curious if that is what people do or if there’s anything special. Watched some YouTube dude and he over complicated everything just made me super confused

[royal cliff]

sorry for the nub question boys, my sin rogue is my second alt--is there ever a time that it makes sense to run poisoned katar in dungeons for fort weeks?

or in general i suppose

[runic maple]

does ct change my single target opener? I know I shldnt ct during shiv window

[spice spire]

Depends on pull size but PK can be good.

For conduits the FAQ covers it a bit 😛

[spice spire]

Sort of? You should keep it up as possible. So not opener per se, but rotation, yes.

[runic maple]

cool

[slow marsh]

yeah if you can afford the conduit energy to swap it out for raid then PK is technically better for keys than WPS overall. you lose ST dmg for more aoe

[runic maple]

so in my opener after I rupture > vendetta, I pool cp and shiv before vanishing for a envenom - mut - envenom combo, is this not optimal? ive seen some ppl using shiv after vannish so im confused

[heavy vessel]

the other day someone posted a screen grab of an APM chart from simcraft. Anyone know where I could find the full chart?

[plain thistle]

you can do rupture > vendetta > shiv > vanish > mut > envenom > mut

but always shiv before vanish, never saw anyone doing shiv during vanish window

[undone eagle]

Excuse me what do they mean with expected value and best drop?

if Edge of night means its my best drop to get +109 dps then what is +27 dps expected value supposed to mean?

[cursive silo]

Expected value is the average of every item the boss can loot

[undone eagle]

sorry, i dont get it 😦

[cursive silo]

Like for fatescribe its the dps of the head+the wrists+the ring /3

Just don’t look at it its not really important info

[undone eagle]

aaaa i see

because i only focus on the items that give mes + %

me *

so best drop is the way to focus on

cheers!

Only 1 sad part about droptimizer is that , for example, my current boots are 252 but no dom socket, but when I do droptimizer it includes only dom sockets to the current items with socket, instead i just have to solo sim it on gear compare :l

[cursive silo]

Just get dom sockets everywhere lol

[undone eagle]

im trying but it never drops xD

unfortunately i was on long vacation when 9.1 released

[trim halo]

Obedience is a good all round legendary for a venthyr assassination rogue? Just an alt but I wanna craft something worthwhile. I've looked around a bit and seen some conflicting information

Or I haven't understood the information

You know how us druid mains can be

[runic maple]

we wld want to line up vendetta and vanish with shiv, but whats like the max amount of seconds for shiv to be rdy that we delay vendetta and vanish?

[gusty mirage]

yeah obe is probably the best "all around legendary" for rogue rn

[frosty cedar]

don't delay vendetta and vanish for shiv, delay shiv for Vendetta and vanish, about 10seconds or so iirc

[lavish lichen]

As long as you don’t lose a usage I don’t think it really matters

[gusty mirage]

^

[lavish lichen]

Also what zhan said is wrong if Im not mistaken

[trim halo]

@gusty mirage thanks

[lavish lichen]

You RARELY delay short CDs because you lose usages

[gusty mirage]

np

[lavish lichen]

Delaying longer CDs doesn’t always lose you a usage

[gusty mirage]

@trim halo like for example, I use obe for my sin m+ keys, and sub m+ and raid (when I do run sub in raid)

[runic maple]

but if I use shiv on cd, my 5th shiv wld technically be 5 sec after vendetta is up so I wld always delay vendetta and vanish for shiv no? @frosty cedar

[gusty mirage]

you can hold shiv if vendetta will be up in less than 10s

[trim halo]

@gusty mirage oh it's good for sub too? Hadn't even looked that far

[runic maple]

alrite

[trim halo]

done and done

[gusty mirage]

yeah I run obe for sub keys, and only really switch to finality for dos

🙂

and even then

you can just run obe the entire time

[trim halo]

thanks again

[lavish lichen]

Finality is dos is for the pad

[gusty mirage]

gotta keep up with the ele sham somehow

still get smoked

[lavish lichen]

Yea I “main” ele

But stopped

Shit is waaay too boring

CL CL ES CL CL EQ

[gusty mirage]

reminds me of sub in m+

[lavish lichen]

Repeat for 15k overall

[gusty mirage]

Shuriken Storm -> BP for 40 minutes

[lavish lichen]

Yea basically sub

[quaint carbon]

[lavish lichen]

Except sup is interesting in cleave

[gusty mirage]

[lavish lichen]

And ST

Ele is boring in both of those with the AOE build

With SE you just spam LB and spenders in ST

[gusty mirage]

my ele sham never got past level 30

my brain no workie with the casters

[lavish lichen]

in raid it’s a lot of fun with the ST build

You are SOOO mobile

Kind of insane

[gusty mirage]

I just miss loads of GCDs

cause I just forget to keep casting

lmao

I'm an actual ape though

[lavish lichen]

Yea I had to get a GCD bar for casters

Helps massively with uptime

[gusty mirage]

I'll have to try that out

maybe I'm destined to be a caster

[lavish lichen]

And with movement during instant casts

Your true calling

[spice spire]

What cleave?

[lavish lichen]

I mean the damage isn’t great but that’s just tuning

It’s still fun (imo ofc) in say 3 target cleave

[gusty mirage]

rupture bro

[spice spire]

Oh true true

The 4 dps rupture

[gusty mirage]

check your cleave privilege

[lavish lichen]

Keeping up rupture and find weakness is kinda cool idk

[spice spire]

Aoe check though

[rigid pine]

I have the same take on my ele. Started playing resto on it, even that's more fun than the AOE build

[gusty mirage]

uncapped CT soon

[spice spire]

If no dr on bleeds

[gusty mirage]

idk how they would do that

with their spaghetti code

[lavish lichen]

Wdym dr?

[spice spire]

(There’s 100% going to be dr on bleeds)

Diminishing returns

[lavish lichen]

I know what it is

Why

[spice spire]

So like past 5 hit, your initial damage drops

But will it for bleeds too?

[gusty mirage]

I'm assuming it'll only affect the initial CT hit

which is no one gives a shit about anyway

[rigid pine]

Isn't everything that got uncapped gonna be sqrt?

[gusty mirage]

yea

[spice spire]

I feel like that’s GIGA busted tho lol

[lavish lichen]

Has it been confirmed to be sqrt?

[gusty mirage]

that's why I think sin stonks are going to rise

[spice spire]

Like surely it’ll be dr’d too

[gusty mirage]

afaik they're mimicking the way starfall works now

[spice spire]

If not sin stonks do indeed rise

[rigid pine]

I don't think so

[spice spire]

Oh

No

[lavish lichen]

I hope sin is too shit for m+

[cerulean nest]

how much extra dotting do you guys do on soulrender adds besides CT?

[lavish lichen]

Actually fun spec in aoe imo

[gusty mirage]

@cerulean nest I throw a 3-4cp rupture on the big add

[spice spire]

Sin is hella fun in aoe

[gusty mirage]

but besides that full send on soulrender

[cerulean nest]

thats what I figured, ty

[rigid pine]

I agree, it's just very frustrating when your windwalker deletes everything in 10 sec

[spice spire]

I do two bleeds because I’m an ape

Plus CT

[gusty mirage]

we have 2 WW monks

not worth putting anything up on the small adds

[spice spire]

Oh

[gusty mirage]

they absolutely melt

its hilarious

[spice spire]

Yeah not worth then LMFAO

[lavish lichen]

Yea I feel like if it is good it’ll be in pretty high keys

[spice spire]

Oxi got to watch most of an absolute banger SoA last night that was nonstop inting

[gusty mirage]

dude

[rigid pine]

I'll try it in high keys when I can go necro freely, loved how it played in m+ but not really a fan of flag

[gusty mirage]

they pulled the pack in front of soggadon

what kinda ape shit is that

[spice spire]

My kind of goon shit

[gusty mirage]

Just stealth up, mount on mammoth

[lavish lichen]

Flag is soooo boring jfc

[gusty mirage]

kick off a vendor

and have them use that

[lavish lichen]

Im currently kyrian

[gusty mirage]

4head

[lavish lichen]

Havent played sin in m+ with it tho

Prob not great

[gusty mirage]

its

bone spike is SIGNIFICANTLY more engaging than flag in aoe

[rigid pine]

I was kyrian in 9.0, not a fan of that overall either

[spice spire]

We wiped 6 times to devos because people were aping out

[lavish lichen]

SBS is really good gameplay wise

[gusty mirage]

I asked you to bring my monk

and you wouldn't

thats your fault

[rigid pine]

Yup

[spice spire]

Should have

Unluckers

[gusty mirage]

239 veinripper now

straight pumping

spin to win

boss dam is caca though

[spice spire]

When my monk goes “I used my cds on boss” I just ask him why?

[gusty mirage]

because you do negative damage without CDs

like you actually heal the boss

[spice spire]

Just blast the pack

Me do boss damage

Except inga and globgrog

Fuck those bosses

[lone junco]

@balmy condor is there any guidance posted for holding vendetta etc for Chaos Bane alignments?

was looking at our arms warrior and the Unholy timing is super awkward.

[balmy condor]

It’s too inconsistent to play around

[lone junco]

is it hasted, or uptime based, or both?

[balmy condor]

Not hasted

It’s just bullshit

[lone junco]

cause this segment on Sylvannas immune is gross

I'm heal lead, and we are going to probably push some/most toward blood, unless they would lose a TON of dps. the buff proc window is clearly chaotic. and alignment is a happy accident.

I was imagining yall timing a vendetta/vanish around that shit. bleh.

[craggy basin]

For the ppl who play assass/sub duel spec what are your Thoughts on sub vs assass for mythic soulrender if we are going pure st and don't have to worry about adds. I know logs show sub all day but wasn't sure what ppl were doing for prog

[wintry mica]

imo sin is better for funneling boss damage you can put a bleed or two up for energy regen and just slam the boss

but I have not played any sub on mythic soulrender yet so someone else might have a better idea

[north basin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fcDb9CaqMRfHDGedLrH9Qi

why top sin gear simming higher than 27 default profile?

empowered conduits not taken into consideration?

[wintry mica]

its not

check the updated sims in sin faq

top venthyr dashing sin is 12358

[vestal wren]

12k

thats insane

[wintry mica]

yea is that someones actual gear cause it looks like its literally full bis

[north basin]

its not real gear ofc.

[vestal wren]

i wonder if somone will come up with a gear combination that beats the top sim we atm know

[fallen arch]

For a second I thought that was real

[wintry mica]

are the sims in the sin faq pre or post frost set fix?

[north basin]

btw how we can achievee 12300 in sin?

[wintry mica]

cause they could be inflated a bit

[vestal wren]

the sims should be up to date

[wintry mica]

it says 8/24 i think the frost set sim was fixed before then but not sure

[vestal wren]

sub is on ~12.4k

so sin is rly close with the right gear

and outlaw is only marginal ahead

overall a good balance tbh

[north basin]

seems like today that 12100 profile is the B I S

[wintry mica]

yea pretty nice that you can realistically use any spec for all content

[vestal wren]

it is, up to the point somone finds a gear piece or combination thats even better

[wintry mica]

Im not sure where the extra 200 comes from in the other sim then

[north basin]

by looking at stat weights. where crit and haste top. u cant find better gear?

[vestal wren]

legion timewalking aa damage ring ^^

[fallen arch]

Thats gonna be included?

Before we know if it’s real?

[wintry mica]

i mean its real

[vestal wren]

na

[wintry mica]

it just probably wont make it to live

[vestal wren]

we can't say now

[fallen arch]

How can you possibly know

It was real 5 years ago

[vestal wren]

the problem with stat weights is that they only add stats

[north basin]

why wont? it doesnt matter we do extra 300-400 dps in the end of 9.1.5 content. it wont break the game

with this ring

[vestal wren]

so they don't tell you what you lose by lowering one stat

when you exchange gear pieces

[wintry mica]

because it seems like blizzard wants to make sure that you dont feel like you need to farm timewalking

anything that ends up "bis" will likely get tuned over the course of the PTR

[vestal wren]

i think blizz is fine with allowing some outliners to exist from timewalking

[wintry mica]

but obviously everyone is just speculating

ill farm the shit out of that ring if it makes it live lmao

[vestal wren]

they wouldn't allow us to upgrade those tw m+ items if there was a big concern

[north basin]

2 months of drought...

october something patch expected i guess,

[vestal wren]

you have a point reystana

giving some new items to farm from tw dungeons is actual content

[wintry mica]

yea, even if stuff isnt good I'll want it just for nostalgia lol

[vestal wren]

during the waiting time for 9.2

[wintry mica]

didnt think in legion I would be looking forward to running more court of stars though

[vestal wren]

i mean if somehting is straight out broken it will get nerfed

[north basin]

blizz would be super fine with thousands of rogues wariors etc put hours of farm into timewalking, statistics and metrics !

[wintry mica]

Ive seen some other specs freaking about items, but it seems like its really just the ring for us that has potential

[vestal wren]

but for stuff thats like a 50-100 dps upgrade i don't think it rly justifies a nerf

[wintry mica]

yea 10% melee damage is what like 1.1 to 1.2% overall dps

[vestal wren]

having 1-2 tw items over budget sounds like something thats good for player engagement

[north basin]

yep

[wintry mica]

true

could see them being more lax with things since we have 2 weeks to farm items too

[vestal wren]

"look my sick eoc"

[wintry mica]

at least i havent seen anyone linking EoC sims in a day or so

[vestal wren]

alright, its back to hunt you in your dreams:

eoc is rly easy to sim tho

its literally a stat stic

[wintry mica]

if it was actually obtainable id for sure get it even if it wasnt good

[vestal wren]

is upper kara on the dungeon list?

[wintry mica]

no

[vestal wren]

oh rip

[wintry mica]

yea lol

and I dont think any other trinkets are worth going for

[turbid pivot]

Fond memories of the day the game gifted me with a 980 EoC

[wintry mica]

I guess trinks are the one gear slot i got lucky with so that might not be the case for everyone

[hollow river]

there's still a ring that might be pretty busted though isn't there

[wintry mica]

yea the court one

[hollow river]

the one that buffs your autos

[wintry mica]

will be really really good

if it doesnt get tuned

[hollow river]

right

[wintry mica]

big if though

[hollow river]

might just be removed altogether

iirc Guy was saying the ring was shit back when it was live, because autos were shit back then

[wintry mica]

yea

[hollow river]

but now autos are a big part of our damage

[wintry mica]

our autos are like 10-12% of our damage

[hollow river]

ye

[wintry mica]

so the ring passive is like 1% overall dps

[deft obsidian]

Simming in a gear compare (assuming the values work correctly) the ring was a downgrade for me

[hollow river]

oh?

[wintry mica]

iirc its even stated with haste and crit right

so not a ton of crit

[deft obsidian]

Yeah its haste > crit

[wintry mica]

but the 100ish dps from the melee passive should offset that you would think

[hollow river]

might be bigger for outlaw than sin

[wintry mica]

unless you are rocking double 252 or a 259 ring or something

[deft obsidian]

Yeah I figured it'd be a no brainer if honest but it was 246 /w socket vs 246 /w sockets x2

PF/Sylvanas rings

[wintry mica]

yea, maybe losing all the crit is too much

im not going to worry about simming it until its at least obtainable on ptr though

[deft obsidian]

Yup, as always I wouldn't be calling gospel on it already

Will see once its actually in hands

[half tartan]

So is eye of command coming back? Upper Kara isn't on the list

Timewalking Dungeons: Black Rook Hold, Eye of Azshara, Darkheart Thicket, Vault of the Wardens, Neltharion’s Lair, and Court of Stars.

[wintry mica]

pretty safe to assume no kara means no eoc lol

[cursive silo]

I've had 2 different people tell me blizzard said trinkets aren't dropping

[gusty mirage]

interesting considering blizzard hasn't said much about it

[wintry mica]

its not mentioned in any blue posts so I'd say thats people talking out of their ass

we have like 2 sentences of info on timewalking gear and thats it

[cursive silo]

pog

[half tartan]

Was there any good trinkets from TW? I slightly remember a glaive trinket from Vault that I think was pretty good for aoe right?

[wintry mica]

if its umbral moonglaive you are talking about that was a TOS drop

I dont think any of the trinkets from those dungeons really stand out

could be good for people with low ilvl or bad trinket drops though

there are a couple that just give flat crit with a damage proc

[half tartan]

Ahh yeah moonglaive

[wintry mica]

I still have an ilvl 50 one with a socket in my bags for timewalking lol

[dark token]

Most legion trinkets will likely be undertuned anyway if they are dmg procs

Because class dmg amps used to apply to them and they don't any more

[wintry mica]

i mean the most interesting trinket is like faulty countermeasures which just seems like a worse fusion amp

[dark token]

If blizz just scales them to level 60 they will 99% be bad

They would need to buff them a bit I think

Things like faulty countermeasure were insane on classes like ret because it scaled with their buff like crusade

It doesn't anymore

[polar cape]

The only thing worth is the ring if the effects work or not

[dark token]

Yeah I think they will add it

It's relatively minor anyway

Like 1-1.5% dps

[wintry mica]

i could see it ending up at like 5%

instead of 10

seems like more classes do a lot of white melee damage compared to back in legion

[dark token]

They do with any stat squish

Melee becomes more of your dmg

[slow marsh]

I mean I would hope they will tune the drops cuz if not there's literally no point of having legion m+ except for just a change of pace for the side content that is m+ already

[dark token]

Here is a tos log from me, melee was like 1% of my dmg lol

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/j9Zf7TmaJ8vbzQtg#fight=11&type=damage-done&start=1931303&end=2277065

[wintry mica]

good ole 1M+ dps legion lol

[slow marsh]

Yeah I mean at 1m dps it makes sense melee wuld be shit

[arctic hare]

What are the best rings we can prolly get?

[slow marsh]

just that one

[arctic hare]

Tryin to figure out what I should eventually go for lol

[wintry mica]

sylv ring and arachnid cypher

[arctic hare]

Sylv ring? oh?

[grim jay]

for many people m+ isnt just side content 😄
aside from that it certainly should be basically the same as shadowlands dungeons loot-wise

[arctic hare]

Oh frick, I didn't even notice THAT

[balmy condor]

Sylv ring easily the best

Then it’s a question if the auto attack ring works

Otherwise arachnid

[wintry mica]

realistically we wont know for sure until 9.1.5 goes live

so we got a while to wait lol

[balmy condor]

I mean it’ll be on ptr

[wintry mica]

true but i meant tuning wise

[arctic hare]

I've been wanting to replace this stupid 230 ring forever

[wintry mica]

go grind out some pf

hope you get lucky

[arctic hare]

Wdym?

oh

[wintry mica]

unless you already have the PF ring

[arctic hare]

I already have the ring

at 239 so far

At this point IO is the only thing stopping me from upgrading it further

[wintry mica]

ah yea

it was the 2nd thing i pumped to 246 after phial

[arctic hare]

Need 1700 for 242 thankfully

Still haven't gotten any phials, though I haven't necessarily been farming it

[wintry mica]

I was in PF prison at the start of the tier like a lot of people

ended up with 2 rings before I got phial and never saw the dagger

[arctic hare]

I really ought to farm it lol

I even have the dagger at 220 rn

[wintry mica]

yea i would love a dagger drop but I stopped focusing on farming it and just run whatever keys my buddies have at this point

[arctic hare]

Yeah, I've been wanting to get another dagger, cause I have a 226 and 220, which is why I'm pumping valor into this current dagger

[wintry mica]

could go for them korthia daggers if youve been keeping up on research

[arctic hare]

God no

Screw that

[wintry mica]

yea lol

[arctic hare]

I've been hopin for an edge of night, but pffffft, highly doubt I'll ever get that

[wintry mica]

lol

[arctic hare]

Lol, amazing

[fleet anchor]

Someone uhh.. added an extra 0 to the coefficient

[wintry mica]

is that the whetstone or something

[arctic hare]

I can see that lol

[fleet anchor]

Yes

[wintry mica]

thats the kind of broken shit id like to see day 1 ptr lmao

[fleet anchor]

Casually increasing the coefficient from 20 to 365

nbd

[wintry mica]

small buff

I mean to be fair thats only like 20k dps for 6 seconds

not too busted

[fleet anchor]

But the point from the PTR that is worth noting

[cursive silo]

aoe

[fleet anchor]

They are clearing doing tuning on all these coefficients

[wintry mica]

yea so cant rule anything out yet

[fleet anchor]

So at this point we really don't know where any of these trinkets will land

Since they are open to changing all the budgets

They tweaked the numbers on like half of them already

[wintry mica]

and it seems like they are okay with damage procs scaling really well with ilvl right now

[fleet anchor]

Say like Caged Horror trinket

Was upgraded from 75 coefficient to 115

I assume in this case they meant for the Whetstone to go from 20 to 36

At 36 it would be decent probably

But we'll really need to wait and see how all this plays out with final values

Even the stat proc trinkets were increased quite a bit

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=137541/moonlit-prism?bonus=1826:1472

[wintry mica]

yea I hope they end up at least decent

[fleet anchor]

Like this one

Stat coefficient was over doubled

Or I guess around doubled

[wintry mica]

yea looking in the dungeon journal earlier it was 2 per stack at ilvl 50 now its 4 on ptr

[fleet anchor]

So basically most of the sims done yesterday or whatever are pretty much worthless (sorry Whispyr)

[obtuse robin]

[fleet anchor]

Prism could maybe be decent

tbh

Since it procs from Periodic

Can pretty much maximize the 400ms ICD

It's like 600 Agi after 8s

[wintry mica]

wait isnt prism ranged only

it cant even drop for rogue

[weak cradle]

hey just swapped covenants to venthyr and forgot what renown cap is this week any help

[wintry mica]

66

[placid pagoda]

66

[weak cradle]

thnx

[alpine latch]

I know this was answered, but it's on the front page of WowHead

[tame stump]

How does the damage from the frost set bonus work? I know how it builds, but I'm wondering what takes damage from it.

Is it a small aoe around you? Or is the damage done to your target?

[placid pagoda]

Damage one target

[wintry mica]

as far as i know it hits the last target that you struck with a crit

[tame stump]

cool cool; thanks, guys!

[gusty mirage]

from what I noticed in korthia, it just hits what you're targeting but that could've been because the last target I crit died

ended up pulling Kroke that way

[wintry mica]

Ive definitely had it hit things I wasnt actively targeting in raid before

like small adds on sylv

[gusty mirage]

yeah probably just picks whatever you're targeting if the last thing you crit died

[pure moth]

In the logs, how do you look at each phase of sylv?

[wintry mica]

at the top where you choose the boss

it says full fight but you can click and choose a phase

[pure moth]

Oh oops thanks

[gusty mirage]

np, it's not obvious if you don't know where to look (kinda like everything on wcl)

[pure moth]

<<- blind

That appears obvious though lol

[wintry mica]

I wonder if there is a way to confirm the frost set targeting without just combing through a bunch of log timelines

[gusty mirage]

only if you notice the little down arrow next to "All Phases" 😛 so I don't blame you for not noticing it

[wintry mica]

hmmm

[pure moth]

I look more on mobile tbh.. so i never have same view

[wintry mica]

I think i found an example of frost set just missing

[pure moth]

Its rare i look on pc

[gusty mirage]

yeah mobile wcl is actually one of the worst things ever

[pure moth]

Yeah.. i need to stop viewing it on mobile

[wintry mica]

heres an example from a cev log where it looks like he is hitting chains

but his last crit ability was deadly poison on sylv

but thats assuming phial doesnt count?

[spice spire]

Also on mobile to even see that you have to be landscape

[gusty mirage]

your face has to be landscape

got em

[wintry mica]

nevermind cant make sense of winds targeting at all

three straight crits and hes meleeing the souljudge

and winds still hits the goliath

[spice spire]

Alright dude kinda toxic

Aren’t you supposed to be golfing

[gusty mirage]

I'm at work

maybe @limber lion or @balmy condor have an idea of how it works

hi smart peoples, does winds favor any specific target or just hit whatever you're targeting? or how tf does it work

[wintry mica]

maybe it is target and im just stupid

[balmy condor]

last target your ability crit that accumulated

[wintry mica]

thats what I thought but I found some logs that didnt really make sense

does the winds proc have travel time?

cause i guess all those crits are within like .1 second of the winds hitting

[indigo mulch]

So even with the aoe cap change we still need 25+ targets to beat out the other specs in aoe? 😄

Oh wait are we talking about HB vs PB there? D:

[gusty mirage]

no

no one's talking about HB

if they are set them on fire

[dawn ivy]

the hidden hidden blades frost build tech

[spice spire]

[wide ridge]

HB is not trash i swear

[arctic walrus]

You can play it on sylv

[wintry mica]

you can also play venom rush on sylv

doesnt mean its worth doing lol

with legion leggos in timewalking maybe you can run dreadlords deceit and HB and get some big burst lol

[dark token]

i think for the m+ keystones they scale em to 60 and disable legacy effects

[fleet anchor]

Correct.

Proc Flags : ......x. x....... x.x..... ........
: White Ranged, Yellow Ranged, Magic Hostile Spell, Periodic

But it buffs Agi

And procs Periodic

So it's really good for us anyway 😛

So prep your DO U NEEEEEED macros

[wintry mica]

we can just spam poisoned knife

[fleet anchor]

Also

With the buffs Countermeasure might just be straight better version of Salvaged Fusion Amplifier

[wintry mica]

interesting, that was one that was catching my eye a bit since its so similar

[fleet anchor]

they are extremely similar 20 RPPM-style buffs and now Countermeasure just does more damage despite having a slightly higher uptime (but slightly longer CD)

[wintry mica]

I thought countermeasure was less uptime

oh no

im just dumb and was reading the 8 second slow lol

[fleet anchor]

No it's 30s buff with 120s cooldown.

Betrayal also looks good

And is realistically really similar tbh (same type of 20 RPPM proc thing)

[wintry mica]

1 min 15 sec CD is pretty weird

[fleet anchor]

20% uptime basically

[wintry mica]

but yea it seems like the damage procs just keep getting stronger

[soft shale]

tirathon's was really good back then

what i really miss is no terrorbound nexus

it was my fav trinket

[stiff tapir]

Hey does anyone know if shiv buffs the frost damage from the shard bonus?

[oak sky]

it only buffs nature damage and also only spec abilities

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/GgYEtJU.png

BOYS

RANK 1 FATESCRIBE

LETS GO

(heroic)

[oak sky]

cev come get it

congrats thats big damage

[placid pagoda]

Are you on Draenor

[ebon notch]

ye

[placid pagoda]

Just realised it showed ur realm lol

Asking coz I inspected ur mog today lol recognises ur name

[ebon notch]

lmao

cheers

[oak sky]

MOG CHECK

[ebon notch]

all my friends hate my mog

[oak sky]

um

its

interesting

big gems

BIG

[ebon notch]

GIGA

[oak sky]

i get sockets this week

didnt grind at the start

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/h3HY1Zx.png

👀

[oak sky]

sheeeesh

[old halo]

avg 48K awesome dood

[ebon notch]

funnelling all those crits from the adds

straight into the bosses asshole

[limber lion]

[ebon notch]

[kind talon]

Why not mine

[ebon notch]

how do you think i paid for all ur sims xoxo

[oak sky]

me trying to find out who asked

[kind talon]

😍😍😍

[kind talon]

Joe

[oak sky]

wait.

Who's Joe?

[ebon notch]

@kind talon time for the gamer move

[kind talon]

Joemama

[oak sky]

WTFFF

[kind talon]

He’s an assassination rogue main with many high ranks

A believer in obedience

[oak sky]

ct on every boss

[kind talon]

Obedience on every boss

[oak sky]

goatd

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

dont start with me trickz

[wintry mica]

the real ones run MA on every boss

[kind talon]

🤔

[wintry mica]

its the secret sauce

[oak sky]

gonna craft MA just so i can do this in reclear

[wintry mica]

it starts off well

lol

[oak sky]

tarragrue

[kind talon]

Your first 4 globals are Poggers for sure

[oak sky]

mfd rupture

uhhhh

[kind talon]

…..

[oak sky]

mut snd

pog

[wintry mica]

yea just kill the boss in 4 seconds

[kind talon]

[wintry mica]

ez game

bout to go get rank 1 morgeth with it

unless they already fixed the kyrian assault cheese

[oak sky]

doing morgeth in week 8

[kind talon]

MA would probably be decent for soulrender

Tbh

[oak sky]

i should though

[kind talon]

Idk though

[wintry mica]

morgeth still gives an ember

[oak sky]

1

[wintry mica]

and 25% to the jailer weekly

[kind talon]

Are you sure?

[oak sky]

korthia is jailer weekly

[kind talon]

I’m p sure he gives 0 embers man

[wintry mica]

morgeth counts for the jailer weekly

[kind talon]

Yeah but he gives 0 embers

[wintry mica]

im pretty sure he gives 1 a week

[oak sky]

1 day of korthia is the jailer weekly tho

[wintry mica]

yea but fuck korthia lol

[oak sky]

not until i have t6

until then i love korthia

[kind talon]

[delicate berry]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-yuck-gif-13390919

[wintry mica]

i just hit t5 lol

[delicate berry]

Hate that research grind

[wintry mica]

yea Ive been playing a lot of alts too

that and i wasnt sure if i wanted to main rogue this tier until a few weeks in

[oak sky]

i didnt start grinding korthia until 2 weeks ago

it starts coming pretty fast

[wintry mica]

yea if you full clear every day its like 4-5 weeks from 0 to max

at least i think thats about how quick the RWF people were getting it

[oak sky]

i was passively getting some before

just dailies and weekly

[wintry mica]

dailies arent even great for it

[oak sky]

occasionally you get good ones

[wintry mica]

2/3s of em dont give research

yea

[oak sky]

the big thing is rares and rift caches

[wintry mica]

im probably a week or 2 of full grind to hit it but i really just dont care lol

[oak sky]

just doing those makes it not take too long

i usually get from 500-800 every day atm not fully clearing

[wintry mica]

yea I was skipping rift caches for a while but they are big research

[oak sky]

rep

[wintry mica]

usually every couple of days ill go do the dailies and kill any rares that spawn while im there

or occasionally do some rares while im at work lol

[oak sky]

the easiest rares to plan around are the rift ones

[wintry mica]

yea

i usually just try and make sure I at least get the quick respawn ones

especially after I finally got rid of my korthia dagger i lost interest in r6 lol

[oak sky]

i try to get one of the tps per day

[wintry mica]

yea ill stop and wait if someone says its coming soon

had a legit whole raid waiting for north tp earlier today

like 25+ people

[delicate berry]

Havent done any rifts

[wintry mica]

you can get 4 rift chests per day in korthia

[delicate berry]

Just dailies, rarest and chests

[wintry mica]

and i think theres maybe some in the maw too?

i just do them after I do yorick

[oak sky]

bro im not tryna go to the maw

[wintry mica]

yea

[delicate berry]

And only the rares that are up while I do dailies

[wintry mica]

half the time i dont even run to the farthers ones

in korthia

[delicate berry]

F waiting on spawns

[wintry mica]

I dont even have any gear to put sockets on yet so im not too worried

my only 252s worth equipping so far have been trinkets lol

[delicate berry]

I can't get trinkets this expac to save my life

[wintry mica]

id trade you my bad weapon luck

[delicate berry]

Farming PF daily on my rogue and DoS on my boom for Phial/IQD respectively

0

[wintry mica]

i just swapped my druid back to NF yesterday

havent really played him since like week 1 of the patch

[delicate berry]

Lol

[wintry mica]

figure im only using him in torg and world quests right now and venth feels kinda dog for that

[delicate berry]

I'm raiding on boomie and assassination rogue atm

12hrs a week in that raid gets old fast

[wintry mica]

ew

two seperate teams?

[delicate berry]

Yea

Two separate guilds

[wintry mica]

damn

I like raiding, but not that much lol

2 nights a week with an optional 3rd for heroic/alts is what we do

[oak sky]

i might raid on an alt later in the tier

not sure tho

[wintry mica]

yea, ive been bringing my sv hunter to alt raids

[delicate berry]

Almost done on H with boomie other guild struggles a bit

With mechanics

[wintry mica]

i feel bad swapping back from venth before even really giving the leggo a try

but i think im gunna try and do some feral since it seems fun righ tnow

got a buddy that wants to try double feral 2s

[delicate berry]

Might as well I'm leveling feral alt too atm

[wintry mica]

and we just stun and convoke someone to death

yea, problem is my druid is still in nathria boomy gear

so he literally only has vers and mastery lol

[delicate berry]

Has to be like rogue amirite?

Feral that is with bleeds

[wintry mica]

yea

more front loaded burst with convoke

and a lot more downtime in fights

like way more than any other spec

[delicate berry]

70% or more of thier dmg is bite

Lol

[wintry mica]

yea

my buddies alt just like constantly hits 20k bites

[delicate berry]

Lol

Finally got my third frost shard on my rogue so hoping to see some better numbers in tonight's raid on my rogue

[wintry mica]

its pretty nice

at r5 its almost always my top damage lol

[delicate berry]

Still crap gear though imo like 222

[wintry mica]

yea unholy might be better depending on your gear and the rank

[delicate berry]

Hqve I think r4 frost

[wintry mica]

that was around when frost started outsimming unholy for me

[delicate berry]

34% crit unbuffed

[wintry mica]

thats a little low

but not bad for 222 probably

generally you shoot for at least 40% it seems

the other sin rogue in my guild is still running unholy since his is r5

[delicate berry]

Yea i saw working towards it just need some gear replacements

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/MCuJ9Aa.png

you can never have too much

[wintry mica]

is that ocular?

[ebon notch]

yh

[wintry mica]

yea pretty much everyone I see at like 43+ has ocular

im at 41 without it right now

[delicate berry]

I have ocular and fusion atm

[wintry mica]

both quite good

ocular sims even with my totem right now though

[ebon notch]

mythic guardian trinket is what im looking for

[plain thistle]

you dont need ocular to get more than 43

[delicate berry]

No but it helps

:)

[wintry mica]

true

[plain thistle]

yeah sure, getting crit helps you getting crit

[wintry mica]

id probably be at 43 if i got the h ring and chest

still 0 drops from h sylv though lol

[delicate berry]

I mean like at my ilvl it gives me a nice boost

[wintry mica]

I really wanmna get rid of my haste vers chest

its my only non crit piece except for weps

[oak sky]

dude sylvanas drops dont exist

[wintry mica]

for real

ive got 1 normal ring and 1 normal dagger

[oak sky]

neither do the eye hands

[wintry mica]

and nothing else after however many weeks

[oak sky]

i got a belt

from normal

[wintry mica]

oooooh shit

guess whos got mail from the AH

i think my legs sold

[oak sky]

it sold

[wintry mica]

or i probably forgot about something else i posted lol

[oak sky]

i had mail from the AH when mine was up and then i realized i bought something right before

[wintry mica]

fuck

it was the pet from eye lol

still 22k not bad

[oak sky]

not at all

[wintry mica]

need to go look and see if someone undercut me

I think i was being a bit greedy with the 500k

[delicate berry]

Assuming one drops is it worth running 2x edge of nights

[wintry mica]

depends on ilvl

but almost always you will go with a higher ilvl mh if you have one

at least its still the only pair up

[unreal epoch]

do you guys choose the heroic sylv chest over mythic eye chest?

[oak sky]

sim

[delicate berry]

Yea having problems finding m+ groups to get anything higher

[unreal epoch]

yeah I sim was just wondering how crazy sin is for crit

[wintry mica]

very

i know heroic KT shoulders beat the mythic tarra ones so I assume sylv chest is the same

[delicate berry]

So facing that thinking those 233 will be best I can get ilvl wise

[wintry mica]

if you finish korthia you can get some 236 daggers from that

I think thats the max upgrade at least

[delicate berry]

Forgot about that

Kinda dumb if you think about korthia gear can be better than both lfr and normal raid

[wintry mica]

yea but only if you do like 6 weeks of grinding

[unreal epoch]

i mean

korthia gear is hard af

to max out

compared to lfr/normal

[wintry mica]

i dno LFR is pretty rough these days

lots of wipes lol

[delicate berry]

Lololol

[unreal epoch]

LMAO truuuu

[delicate berry]

Haven't been in an lfr that could get kt or slyv down yet

Even with 10+ stacks of d

I stopped trying lol

[wintry mica]

yea doing a normal pug is easier at this point

[delicate berry]

True

Hoping I get my Aotc next week

[wintry mica]

maybe youll get a dagger first go

id be jealous lol

[delicate berry]

Unlikely as it's my boomies run

[wintry mica]

I know its frowned upon but hsylv carries are also pretty damn cheap now if you just want to unlock the dagger for vault chances

[delicate berry]

9/10 H on boomie 2/10 H on rogue

[wintry mica]

ah i guess if you arent consistently getting vaults its probably not worth

but if I was 9/10 for a few weeks I would definitely just buy a carry and start getting vault chances at sylv gear

[delicate berry]

Yea but 800k for an slyv kill

On H

[wintry mica]

its 800k for full clear

[delicate berry]

Yea that

[wintry mica]

I see people advertising for 145k sylv kills in trade right now

which isnt too bad

[delicate berry]

Just feels bad since we are 9/10

[wintry mica]

yea, I would really only do it on rogue since she drops 3 of our bis items

[delicate berry]

True

Have to see what they are runnin

[halcyon zealot]

honestly 150k is cheap enough it could even be worth to buy a funnel with it too

depends how bad u wanna get the kill and loot

[wintry mica]

yea hell at this point if its like monday and I havent pugged it i might just buy one myself to be lazy lmao

[delicate berry]

Or Like my luck buy and 0 drop