assassination

[quasi venture]

that would be fun

and one of em not being a shit designed passive lego

[strange python]

Guys, how much of a dps gain are the 21 new soulshape appearances for night fae?

[oak sky]

dps loss, you play night fae

[wintry mica]

i dno that conduit buff might make all the difference

[oak sky]

[quasi venture]

i actually liked nf the most out of all covenans

covenants*

for rogue

[wintry mica]

i wasnt a fan

[strange python]

I liked it too, but only for soul shape

[quasi venture]

i mean sepsis is not that shit

[wintry mica]

soulshape is def the best secondary power

[quasi venture]

and soulshape is king so yea

should be able to choose secondary spell when they open up free changes between covenants

[wintry mica]

so everyone but tanks get soulshape and they get kyrian phials lol

[quasi venture]

Yes sir

xd

but that just means that blizzard has failed miserable

[oak sky]

fleshcraft is really go od

door is whatever though

[wintry mica]

i doubt they ever split them up though

[quasi venture]

they wont

[wintry mica]

otherwise soulbinds get fucked

[strange python]

The only time I use door is in korthia

What a waste

[wintry mica]

its decent on some fights in raid

[quasi venture]

ye

door on eye is fine. painsmith in intermission xd

uh that was probably it

[quasi oak]

any of the trinkets that will drop from the leigon dungs compete for the top spot?

[wintry mica]

sylv

[wide ridge]

door is good to reset eye stacks

chad rogues use shadowstep to dodge eye beam

sigma rogues

[wintry mica]

no not really

[quasi venture]

nah true rogues just stand still and click cloak and fuck all

[wintry mica]

oh yea i dont know why you would door beam instead of shadowstep

[wide ridge]

shadowstep scared me once or twice while dodging eye beam

the position i got was kinda fucked and almost got hit

[quasi venture]

always fun to live on the edge no?

[wide ridge]

yes, my RL loved it

[void pecan]

Is always on the left of the boss at about the 7 o'clock position

at least it is for me.

[wintry mica]

yea im pretty sure its always that same spot

[quasi venture]

it is

[wide ridge]

ive had times it took me to like 8 o clock and sometimes took me to 6 o clock

[quasi venture]

weird

[wide ridge]

so now i just stick to the side, theres a 'spike' on the floor and when the beam is close to me i shadowstep

works fine

[fading mason]

whats your opener on the nine i never know if i should dot up both targets or shiv first

[solid venture]

I just do normal opener on first target and garrote 2nd when it comes off CD and use rest of dots on 2nd when shiv window is gone

[quasi venture]

Garrote off cd. use rupture when shiv window is closed. and then go as usual keep dots up.

[fading mason]

thx

[bleak sky]

winds of winter proccing on painsmith balls

[loud silo]

is it worth going crimson tempest on soulrender or just stay ST build

[dawn ivy]

its worth it to parse

or if your groups aoe is SO lacking, CT could bring very lackluster aoe to try to get the job done

[strange python]

Sharpening Stone or Shadowcore Oil?

[dawn ivy]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[wintry mica]

oo i got the boe legs should i equip them or sell them?

[oak sky]

Sell

[wintry mica]

yea like 60 dps vs 400k

[oak sky]

I got 500k for selling them when i got them

There were none up on my server

[wintry mica]

yea ill have to look after raid

[proper pendant]

is crimston tempest really the only viable option for M+ or can i run poison bomb if i wanted too

i normally run alot of cleave groups

[limber lion]

Always use CT.

Nothing else ever.

CT is too good not to use

We use it in 2t+ encounters already

[halcyon zealot]

definitely take CT

[limber lion]

And m+ is much more than just 2t

It is arguably the best talent in the entire tree for m+

[proper pendant]

aight

[halcyon zealot]

it will literally be one of your top 3 if not top damaging ability

[proper pendant]

i need that sylv dagger

[loud silo]

ty for your insight

[loud silo]

dont we all

[tribal marlin]

tbh the sepsis conduit buff is big

[proper pendant]

imma just buy a kill and pray

[loud silo]

not worth, your not gonna get it

[tribal marlin]

I'm testing rn with 239 conduit, my Sepsis do ~12% of my damage

This fix will bviously not bring Fae on the spotlight on its own but if it comes with some other change (hello sepsis poison etc..) might be meta once again

[dawn ivy]

I still kinda like the idea of dropping cd on sepsis and turning it into an affliction locks unstable affliction

another plate to spin on sin sounds kinda fun on ST

[tribal marlin]

yeah idk, I don't expect such a major redesign of the ability but why not

[dawn ivy]

lowering, not dropping the cd entirely

[tribal marlin]

What I personnally like with sepsis is that fact that it's a damage cooldown tbh

But currently, Flagel is just straight up a better damage CD

[dawn ivy]

yeah i like necrolord as it actually feels like its contributing to my damage but it does miss that oomph that sepsis could bring

[tribal marlin]

With 239 ilvl Shock it's ~50k damage per sepsis

[limber lion]

Sounds fun

[dawn ivy]

yeah thats pretty nutty

[limber lion]

Imagine if you could snapshot it with Nightstalker

[dawn ivy]

would subterfuge become a considerahble talent choice? being given another empowered garrote on ST?

[tribal marlin]

Now that Covenant restriction are gone they definitely can think about merging Spec identity with Covenant identity

[dawn ivy]

i guess that maths already been done for the few actual night fae players

[tribal marlin]

is there any, or any that actually do maths

me ok lol

I only play NF on PTR to remind Blizzard that Sepsis is a POISON

[dawn ivy]

i assume some CFs have stupid questions they have to answer from time to time

[tribal marlin]

yet not increase by any poison mechanisme from assa, unlike Necro

like imagine if Sepsis would be considered as a poison for Dashing Scroundel xD

I really hope for a rework of the leggo at least

[quasi venture]

[tribal marlin]

I would suggest using some King's Bane flavour for Sepsis

Or like some interaction with other Rogue poisons, like the "final" tick deal increase damage based on how many poison damage you did during the sepsis window etc...

But that may be too much

[wide ridge]

thematically, you'd imagine a skill called 'sepsis' would be good for assassin rogues

but it's garbo

[tribal marlin]

it's not garbo tbh

[wide ridge]

[tribal marlin]

As I said, it's a damage CD, it's just a straight up inferior damage CD than Flag

Because they overbuffed flag

[oak sky]

Literally not true

That ability was so dog

[tribal marlin]

It's "dog" because it has no interaction with spec/class mechanism

[oak sky]

You know how it used to work yeah?

[tribal marlin]

as were all covenant ability early (in beta)

[oak sky]

The recast bullshit

[tribal marlin]

how you mean Flag

The recast was fine tbh, that was just a QoL change

Flag was Garbo yeah

basically just straight up undertune tbh

[oak sky]

Half a haste for each stack

And it did no damage

[tribal marlin]

yeah like you would have think you "did a great job" reaching high stack count

just to see it doing like 3% of your damage

But they did a great job with 9.0.5 flag

I just hope they take the same path with Sepsis

I like Sepsis much more than Flag for Assa rogue

[violet hemlock]

if sepsis procced the MA row that would be lit

[oak sky]

That would be a lot more interesting

[tribal marlin]

idk

Like Flag do decent amount of damage AND provide a powerful buff

[oak sky]

Previously i think night fae rogue wouldve been bad for the game but now that covenants will be open and more specs have moved around its ok if they buff it some

[tribal marlin]

Sepsis only do damage (+ buff throught soulbinds)

I'd like to either see Sepsis damage empowered further (either straight up, or with interaction like King's bane) or Sepsis giving any kind of buff

Option n°1 feels better

[tribal marlin]

Yeah that's my point : It's now* totally fine to merge spec identity with covenant indentity

To the point where you play specific covenant for specific spec

because it make sense both gameplay and lore wise

There is no more reason to not* do this for dps-only spec

📈

believe

[radiant dirge]

when do you guys hit SS on mythic ner'zhul dispell mechanic

[dawn ivy]

the moment your camera moves at all

regardless of if you notice youre being knocked forward or backwards

just step the instant you move

[radiant dirge]

to the person or the boss?

cause i've been spamming my button to the person and it hasn't worked

[dawn ivy]

the boss

[oak sky]

When the md weakaura goes off

[tribal marlin]

if you have the conduit equipped and have farm a bit of Korthia

You should be able to always step on boss

[dawn ivy]

your tanks are inting if the boss isnt in range of step

[tribal marlin]

like, if you can't step the boss because it's too far, you're most likely not the only one that is going to die

Since your tank will also die

[radiant dirge]

i have the conduit - and its enhanced due to soulbind

[tribal marlin]

Yeah so you should be able to always step on boss

[radiant dirge]

so target the boss is better than targeting the player?

[tribal marlin]

yeah

[radiant dirge]

okay will try it thanks for the fast feed back boys

[dawn ivy]

blizz making pretty significant changes to some legendaries might be promising to see a better sepssi leggo too

[proper pendant]

we rune heirmir soulbind correct?

[dawn ivy]

yeah heirmir for necro

[proper pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gif-18447625

ty

[dark token]

people telling me to use poison bomb on fatescribe

kinda cringe

[oak sky]

im conflicted on that boss

[violet jackal]

I've used the same talent setup every boss which includes poison bomb

[dawn ivy]

i guess i should be running CT on that fight and soulrender

[oak sky]

i think soulrender is definitely better with CT

and BS/DS on guardian

[dawn ivy]

this tier, padding is boring to me

i think its my desire for the boss to just be dead

[oak sky]

but fatescribe dunno

[violet jackal]

there only 1 wave of adds for soulrender

[oak sky]

?

[dawn ivy]

are we talking heroic or mythic

[violet jackal]

the pug group i do reclear with just blows up all boss in under 4 minutes if possible

[oak sky]

on heroic you definitely run pb on everything

[dawn ivy]

yeah

[oak sky]

im talking mythic tho

[violet jackal]

ah that wasn't clarified

[oak sky]

i was just assuming frozensoviet was talking about mythic

[limber lion]

Except KT

[oak sky]

bro who needs a pad parse on that boss

i always got sent down anyway

[limber lion]

Who needs to parse, period?

[dawn ivy]

i need to bribe my raid lead and let me stay up on kt

[oak sky]

i mean true

but im still a shitter

so i need the big numbers to feel good

[violet jackal]

I need to parse can't get into a mythic raiding guild without them

[brisk drum]

my guild private logs mythic, but people are still slamming add damage even when boss prio is called

some people just refuse to play ethically man

[oak sky]

lol

[dawn ivy]

you can 100% get into a mythic guild with good heroic parses

[oak sky]

i can attest to that

i did that

[dawn ivy]

it wont be world 100

[oak sky]

if you average in the 90s or even 80s you can probably find a decent enough ce guild

[manic haven]

Is there any rough estimate for how much dps pooling for envenom correctly gains? On a standard 5 min sim maybe?

[violet jackal]

i'm at 98.1 and still haven't got into anything

[oak sky]

yeah i was like 94 avg or something

[violet jackal]

our class is dog, WHY WE HAVE NO RAID UTILITY

[oak sky]

you should be able to find a guild

[limber lion]

Pooling is pretty mega with frost/dashing and bs/ds

[dawn ivy]

rogue is in a great spot

[limber lion]

For my profile not pooling is a 900 dps loss for dashing and 670 for Doomblade.

If you hate pooling, then you'll probably see better results with EP/Vig and Doomblade

Than BS/DS Dashing

[oak sky]

i need gear though i want to get at least 1 blaster parse this tier to make me feel validated

[limber lion]

What's a blaster parse to you?

[oak sky]

high 90s

[violet jackal]

100

[limber lion]

I'm sure you can pull that off

[oak sky]

rn my best parse is 94 on the nine

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

but im 244

so

lots of room for

[obtuse robin]

[oak sky]

"improvement"

aka

i need eye loot funnel for the hands

[obtuse robin]

so why doesnt the sim pool

[limber lion]

It... Does?

[obtuse robin]

i c

[limber lion]

Literally the default apl does pool

[violet jackal]

you can get 95 across the board I was 244 R5 unholy for like 5 weeks, I just went up to 246 and R4 frost this week

[oak sky]

in mythic tho

i have some 97s and whatever in heroic

theres a few bosses in mythic that i still need to work on playing better to be able to attempt to parse on them but its fine

[dark token]

@limber lion PB or CT on fatescribe M

we are doing the 6 min strat skipping 2nd add in p1

[limber lion]

PB is fine

[dark token]

i think CT is good because it funnels winds procs into boss idk

and isnt that much of a ST loss

[limber lion]

It is a bit

Dashing favors PB

[oak sky]

im probably gonna play ct until my raid gets to p3

idk

it should be fine

pb is better imo but rather get the prog for now

[wild beacon]

if my only weapon upgrades are Sylvanas daggers, should i have outlaw loot spec on for other bosses so i can get weps for OS? or does it change more than just weapon drops?

[limber lion]

Talenting into CT is a 300 dps loss for Dashing

In single target

If you can make that gap on the adds, then all the power to ya

[oak sky]

like i said

i definitely thought pb was better

but do you think killing adds is important enough in prog?

or is boss damage/ prio add damage better

[dawn ivy]

it gets done by other classes much better than you do

if youre using CT its mostly for pad, not necessary

[oak sky]

true

im not trying to pad at all

[limber lion]

Only weapons, but that means that you have a higher pool of items to get. So if you need Soulrender belt, you should lootspec assa so rhere's a higher chance to get the belt

[dawn ivy]

if a sin rogue is NEEDED to CT at any point, terrible things have happened

[oak sky]

it just seems like while we're still ironing stuff out adds dying faster would be good

[limber lion]

CT is trolling on M fatescribe on prog

[oak sky]

ok

[limber lion]

Especially if the goal is not to pad

[wild beacon]

ah good call, so worth reviewing each boss's loot table. thanks

[oak sky]

wil be going pb

i dont give a fuck about parsing ever on that boss though so ill probably never play ct on it again

[limber lion]

The adds are not important whatsoever in Fatescribe

They don't do anything

[dawn ivy]

im probably going to go CT in the next few weeks to try to sneak a decent parse

pray i can ignore all mechanics

[oak sky]

parse on that boss is rng

[dawn ivy]

and get beeg 2 target damage in transitions

[oak sky]

thanks cev

[limber lion]

[tribal marlin]

Tbh at this point of a tier, and especially this tier, you should use your time to study the encounter strategy/timeline/video rather than trying to optimise your dps

[oak sky]

Tbh changing a talent takes 2 seconds and it was just a clarification

[golden kraken]

Guardian is such a nice change of pace after Painsmith. Literally was a 130 pull vs 13 pull difference for us

[oak sky]

A nice first boss to follow up the endboss of the previous raid

[hollow river]

winds of winter literally insanity

800k dam on 1 pull tonight lol

[limber lion]

Yep, it's nutty

Feels good when it crits for a massive hitws

Feels bad when it's your 3rd damage because it didn't do nuffin

[oak sky]

Rank 4 gang

[dawn ivy]

next week i get rank 5, then ill just blame my shit damage on not having any sylv daggers

[oak sky]

Same

Except i have a heroic offhand

I can still blame it on gear

[dawn ivy]

wait thats a lie because i havent done heroic sylv and this week for sure i get 246 sylv daggy

[oak sky]

[hollow river]

rank 5 gang (;

[oak sky]

I just need eye hands

Fuck a daggy

[hollow river]

true but on a fight like soulrender where im full ST boss damage its nice to be in the top 5 still

[oak sky]

I havent cleared normal eye yet but I still have hope for this week

[hollow river]

dang hunters and there wild spirits on the branded adds

cheaters

[dark token]

Winds of winter be like

https://i.imgur.com/4JN8vrT.png

[limber lion]

?

what are you even talking about

I was talking about the wind proc

not overall dps

[hollow river]

winds

[limber lion]

your wind proc should be your #1 damage

[dark token]

Just massive dps spikes every 20 sec

[limber lion]

on every boss fight

and even more on aoe boss fights

[hollow river]

oh you said 3rd on your breakdown

[limber lion]

Yes I did

I said that if you're super duper unlucky

you get 3rd

[dark token]

It has variance yea

[limber lion]

which is mega sad

[oak sky]

Mines always 3rd

[hollow river]

that sounds abismal

mines always #1

[dark token]

Mine always #1 or close to #1

[limber lion]

Exactly

[oak sky]

Once its r5 that problem stops

[limber lion]

Why did you talk about r5 then

[hollow river]

i didnt

[limber lion]

or being in the top 5

you did

talk about being in the top 5

lol

[hollow river]

i thought u meant 3rd on the meter

lol

in general

[limber lion]

welp.

[loud silo]

is soulrender trink good with frost set/ dashing scoundrel?

[hollow river]

ye ik

[limber lion]

This is what your damage breakdown should look like.

[hollow river]

ye

it does

[limber lion]

And you should be #1 in overall damage

take no prisoners

[hollow river]

lol

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

why not

[hollow river]

not possible on soulrender, with my group

[limber lion]

Soulrender

[hollow river]

had to rephrase

[oak sky]

Its impossible for me on most fights

[hollow river]

we have assigned aoe CDs

[limber lion]

You can do it.

[oak sky]

To top

[limber lion]

I believe in you.

[hollow river]

for branded adds

LOL

i wish

im not even spec'd CT

i tried, to see if winds would funnel

but i actually did worse with CT

on boss dam

so i went back PB

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fP8dGJwM6Wkx2aTA#fight=21&type=damage-done&source=41 any log reviewers

[oak sky]

Theres this one outlaw rogue, hes pretty talented

[dark token]

Was kinda sad this felt kinda low

[oak sky]

Makes it hard to top any boss really

[dark token]

I see I fucked up 1 mutilate but otherwise idk

[limber lion]

You raid with Skip?

[dark token]

Yes

[oak sky]

What a god

Raiding with skip

[dark token]

Got orange parses all other bosses but purple on guardian so I'm sad

[oak sky]

Gear gap kill time gap

Thats what i tell myself

[limber lion]

1. Don't use Phantom fire, use Spectral Agi
2. Think about your cooldown usage. Should have sync'd the last Vanish cast with the last Flag cast here.

[dark token]

Yeah shoulda synced that for sure I was unsure of kill timer

As it was prog kill

Even on pure st spectral agi? I thought phantom fire + oil combo fed winds of winter more

[limber lion]

It is never over 6 minutes.

Yes

Always Spectral Agi

Phantom Fire is whitelisted

it does not work

[brazen zodiac]

Damn guess ima stop spending money on those. >.<

[oak sky]

I have like 40 phantom fire pots to use up because cevs word is law

[dark token]

I thought it might a little over 5:30 for another flag usage

Ended up being 5:20

[limber lion]

Even then you should have sync'd Vend with the 4:30 Flag

[dark token]

True

[limber lion]

Also 5:30 is not another flag

6 minutes would have been

and that would have been a 4th Vend cast as well

but the fight is never that long

[oak sky]

I need to do this too

[brazen zodiac]

What fight is this for again? Came late.

[hollow river]

i've been curious about the phantom fire/agi pot thing when running frost

[dark token]

I'm good at delaying flag for vendetta but I forget to delay vendetta for flag sometimes

[hollow river]

wasn't there talk in #tc-research of phantom fire crits also helps winds

idk if there was any conclusion

[dark token]

He just said it doesn't so

[hollow river]

oh

[loud silo]

is 252 decanter of endless howling BIS for dashing scoundrel build?

[dark token]

Not sure about shaded/oil vs shaded/shaded

Oil might be whitelisted too

[dark token]

No

[limber lion]

Sharpening Stones

And Spectral Agi

I mean

like

you can sim yourself using

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

And it'll just say stones/agi pots

every time

crit food/feast might change

[wintry mica]

so ive actually been trying the soulrender vanish thing

[limber lion]

but that's about it

[wintry mica]

its funny but for sure troll lol

[hollow river]

decanter actually outsims my totem

but my totem is 242

[hollow river]

?

[wintry mica]

the first pull i tried it my highest frost crit was 30k higher

[hollow river]

does MA effect the proc or something

[wintry mica]

you dot everything then just vanish and sit lmao

[hollow river]

o.O?

[worldly bobcat]

which legend is mythic plus, seems to be a mix when looking at leader boards

[dark token]

Raid trinkets is guardian > eye > decanter > else but I just sim trinkets idk

I never target specific ones

[hollow river]

zoldycks usually

[dark token]

If 262 zoldcks wins

[limber lion]

MA = crit

Poisons/bleeds crit = bigger winds

[echo geyser]

hi @limber lion are u necrolord?

[hollow river]

sure

[worldly bobcat]

ty

[limber lion]

On my second rogue, yes. Not on my main.

[dark token]

You can go 262 obedience or dashing and it can beat a 235 Zoldyck in some dungeons if venthyr

[hollow river]

but he said vanish and sit

[echo geyser]

if u could pick only 1 262 lego would u do dashing or db with bis gear

as necro

[dark token]

Wonder if it's worth tracking winds proc and finessing with vanish if it's close

[echo geyser]

u mean MA?

[limber lion]

And what does Vanish do?

[echo geyser]

MA should only work for rogue abilities or u think winds count?

[limber lion]

Think about it.

[hollow river]

sure

[limber lion]

It does not count

No.

[hollow river]

but why would you just sit

[limber lion]

bruh.,

are you trollin

[echo geyser]

so cev db or dashing with bis gear as necro pick only 1

[limber lion]

winds does damage when you crit with abilities

vanish causes master assassin to proc

master assa gives 50% crit chance

you have multiple targets suffering from bleeds/poisons

you sit in vanish to have 100% crit chance on those

all 10+ poisons/bleeds are critting

for their entire duration

[dark token]

Wait that's big brain

[echo geyser]

oh sit in stealth

[dark token]

Sit in vanish the whole time the adds are up

[limber lion]

Dashing

[hollow river]

idk why i have to be trolling

[echo geyser]

[hollow river]

for asking a question

but alright

[limber lion]

Because I explained it already previously

And you just play dumb or something, idk.

[wintry mica]

yea its definitely stupid

im not sure what it is but something knocks you out of stealth after like 3-4 seconds

[brazen zodiac]

hi rayray

how r u

[wintry mica]

good

doing some cheese on soulrender prog lol

[hollow river]

...

[brazen zodiac]

lucky my guild can't seem to get enough people.

[limber lion]

There is passive damage in the fight constantly

[brazen zodiac]

pretty bummed out about it.

[limber lion]

So that's knocking you out of stealth

[wintry mica]

im not sure if its the echoing screams

cause thats every 2 seconds right?

[limber lion]

Sure

[wintry mica]

and ive definitely stealthed longer than that

[limber lion]

But when you Vanish you have 2 seconds of immunity

[wintry mica]

ahhh

[limber lion]

iirc

[wintry mica]

its also nice seeing a hundred crit numbers pop up

but my overall dps is always lower when i do it

obviously

[limber lion]

I might give it a shot at some point as well

Seems pretty fun

[wintry mica]

you could probably break 200k with it

[echo geyser]

is MA a legit talent in M+ cause of this or nah

[brazen zodiac]

f

[limber lion]

No.

Winds do not work in M+

[idle star]

Use subterfuge

[echo geyser]

yeah i guess its only for funnel winds

[idle star]

Applying 6 empowered garrotes is nice

[hollow river]

i understand how the talent works, i was merely trying to understand how doing that would actually be advantageous but it doesn't seem like it is so

[limber lion]

because you want big winds procs

you don't do that optimally, it's just for funsies

[echo geyser]

they should make exang be all aoe bleeds

[limber lion]

that's why he called it "soulrender cheese"

not "the optimal, giga-play that will soar you to the moons and get you all the r1's in the world"

[wintry mica]

yea its not something thats actually worth doing outside of being funny and trying to get a phat frost proc

[limber lion]

That would be a lot of fun

[wintry mica]

i wasnt even really going all in since i was still burning down the overlord

if you spent that time rupturing all the agonizers

cause i was too worried about wasting time so i probably only had like CT 2 ruptures and a garrote or 2 when i would do the vanish

[oak sky]

Imagine you press exsang in aoe and everything just melts

[wintry mica]

and i didnt want to troll too much lol

[oak sky]

Damn we would be so sick

[wintry mica]

just make CT proc venomous wounds

[dark token]

[echo geyser]

id play sin then

[oak sky]

Ct proc venomous wounds isnt really needed

[wintry mica]

youd literally just be energy capped constantly lol

[dark token]

CT + alacrity should be baseline and we get 2 new talents to change it up

[oak sky]

But ct should be baseline

[dark token]

Alacrity 100% should be as it's way better than the rest and boring

[echo geyser]

shrouded suffocation as last row instead

[wintry mica]

shrouded suffocation then we all go subt night fae

[oak sky]

Stepsis

I'm stuck in the popular covenant

[proper sage]

just make every commonly played talent baseline

[dark token]

I mean yeah

[spice spire]

[echo geyser]

let sin dream

[dark token]

If it's taken 100% of the time and is bis in all situations by a mile

[oak sky]

Nevermind that we're one of like 3 specs that has no aoe ability

Baseline

[dark token]

I actually agree with that logic

[spice spire]

Fan of knives would like a word

[idle star]

Poison bomb should have been a CP aoe spender. CT changed to another talent that spreads our bleeds to other targets

[oak sky]

Outlaw about to join the club

[hollow river]

fok is aoe

[oak sky]

I meant spender

Spender

Whatevies

[limber lion]

such wisdom

[sand sigil]

new fatescribe pr

[limber lion]

such knowledge

[wintry mica]

im saying, make poison bomb a knockoff sv hunter bomb

[proper sage]

tyty

[spice spire]

254

[oak sky]

Nice numbers

[limber lion]

Yo James, I'm not happy about you stealing my r1 on Heroic

[oak sky]

Ill get that in my prog

[wintry mica]

so the pulls I was cheesing winds was like 18-19% of my total damage lol

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

Those mythic daggers and externals

[idle star]

Ill never parse well as a heroic raider

[echo geyser]

254

[limber lion]

[echo geyser]

ok dood

[sand sigil]

EXTERNALS

oh

yeah on heroic

[limber lion]

Yeaaaah

[sand sigil]

lolol i joined a pug and some dude was just giving me pi

de synced from my vend

[wintry mica]

thats still disgusting even with externals

[sand sigil]

like he'd pi me at 0

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

Fuckin simp man

[sand sigil]

and then at like 150

[limber lion]

what a gangster

[sand sigil]

and then randomly at like 300

[idle star]

Its like, full mythic geared ppl in here flexing their dps... like, you SHOULD be pulling big at those ilvls

[sand sigil]

i was so confused lol

[limber lion]

love to see it

but ngl

[wintry mica]

its better than no PI at least lmao

[limber lion]

those daggers make me moist

I'm fucking envious as fuck

[sand sigil]

yeah the daggers r giga rng

[limber lion]

i hate this game so much

[sand sigil]

kinda funny tho i still dont have a single painsmith weapon

[limber lion]

You did loot one

too bad trill had to get a pvp weapon

[sand sigil]

no external 😉

[echo geyser]

whats ur ilvl on main

[oak sky]

I remember that

[idle star]

Diablo 2 sep 23rd.

[limber lion]

250

[echo geyser]

📉

[limber lion]

:(

[oak sky]

Cev ur a winner dont listen to them

[spice spire]

Cev gear already washed, Method in shambles!

[sand sigil]

i actually couldnt beat u tho cev on some of the other ones

id finish the fight and be like yeah prolly r1

and then look and be like 2?????????????????????

and of course it was u ahahaha

[oak sky]

Im coming for you guys

For sure

[sand sigil]

i return to venthyr next week tho

comin for that +500 dps

[echo geyser]

no keys?

[limber lion]

[sand sigil]

mdi next few weeks so

[oak sky]

Welcome back

[sand sigil]

might as well be venthyr

[echo geyser]

nice for raid logs

[limber lion]

Hell yeh, love to see it

Ngl that Fatescribe parse is spicy af

[sand sigil]

yeah someone was like u know that like over 1.5k more than the old #1 and i waqs like oh wow

no mechanics

i hate that fight and kt

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'm sitting at around 10.6 or something

[sand sigil]

just standing still hoping no mechanics kinda dumb

[limber lion]

Yeah same

KT is the worst

[oak sky]

Rmg parses

So sad

[limber lion]

Actually the worst fight in a long time

[idle star]

That Fateacribe parse was NO bombs or Runes.

Lucky

[limber lion]

Not as bad as SLG but man oh man it's just not fun

[sand sigil]

yeah i didnt get a bomb, a grim portent, or a rune

first time i think

[idle star]

Parses mean nothing

[limber lion]

Straight blasting

[idle star]

At all in that sense

[oak sky]

Its just for fun tho

[sand sigil]

yeeee

logs supposed to be used for other purposes besides dps

[idle star]

So many bosses require mechanics that ruin your parse.. getting a good parse is just saying "i got lucky with NO mechanics" cmon

[sand sigil]

its just fking capitalism man

[limber lion]

I mean I enjoy parsing, gives me something to aim for in-game

[sand sigil]

true

i mean to be fair

[limber lion]

Otherwise the game is just during farm

[sand sigil]

u can still get rank 1 parses getting mechanics

or at least top 5

[limber lion]

Yeh for sute

Sure

[sand sigil]

the mechaniics dont matter too much depending which one it is

sometimes it fucks u a lot but rarely

[idle star]

I was pumping guardian other night and then got 2 bombs.... gg game over byebye dps

[limber lion]

Agreed

[wintry mica]

just dowhat i do and stand in melee with the bomb

[civic trellis]

Like doing a rune? 😄

[wintry mica]

mechanics cant hurt your parse if you never do them properly

[sand sigil]

mechanics = wipe raid and go again

[civic trellis]

haha

[idle star]

What mechanoc can you get rank 1 parse with that someone else who DIDNT get it wouldnt beat you on?

[kind talon]

Sending this to max

[wintry mica]

fatescribe bombs

[kind talon]

@sand sigil watch your back

[oak sky]

Yo

Im the sin in our guild

[kind talon]

Yo

[oak sky]

Hes not playing outlaw bro

[kind talon]

?

[oak sky]

You cant upstage me dude

[kind talon]

Ok

[idle star]

Also not getting PI'd. Ppl say its bad for rogue but there is nothing but good things having 20% haste for 15% of a boss fight

[drifting cloud]

I honestly cant tell even after 2months if youre a troll or just this dumb sub4lyfe

[idle star]

Rude

[drifting cloud]

rude is making us having to read your cracked views of this game

[idle star]

What am i saying thats cracked?

[drifting cloud]

atleast you figured out phial is a bis trinket 2 weeks ago I guess

[idle star]

Back up your verbal abuse pls

Very rude

[drifting cloud]

literally 80% of the things you think are facts are just wrong

refer to: your whole post history

[civic trellis]

Chill sub rogues

we are at sin channel, everything is peace here

[idle star]

So getting mechanics on bosses and saying it cucks your dpa is wrong? Call me cracked then lol

Dps

[toxic quail]

@balmy condor FATE DEAD. Time to slay KT.

[idle star]

Tell me what i have said thats wrong? Back up what youre saying. Calling someone dumb and then not backing it up is weak bro

Dont hide now

[fathom swift]

[balmy condor]

[upper trout]

if im in a suboptimal pug, 2 vendettas is better than 1 lusted vendetta correct?

[spice spire]

Yes

[bronze fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-watching-eating-popcorn-oh-yeah-watchin-gif-8938478

[fallen arch]

Or you know, fight it out in dm

[quaint carbon]

[fallen arch]

Pls looks for pi on Cev, I swear he never gets one

[hollow river]

hm

[fallen arch]

Mad

[loud silo]

Needs more avoidance

[hollow river]

decanter

[fallen arch]

Need more crit

[wintry mica]

figured it was ocular lol

[fallen arch]

Stack decanter with ocular

[hollow river]

decanter AND ocular

[fallen arch]

If I equip those I get like 54

[bronze fiber]

Why is your crit so low

[fallen arch]

Ye super low

[hollow river]

because im using sylvanas dagger ok

it has no stats

[bronze fiber]

Lol how is the frost build with those stats

[hollow river]

im usually 45%

i just got M decanter idk if im gonna run it or not

[bronze fiber]

I'm working on my crit and rank 5 frost set still

[hollow river]

rank 5 frost, winds is normally my #1 damage

[bronze fiber]

Nice

[hollow river]

also using 262 dashing

[wintry mica]

yea ive had pulls where its nearly 20% of my damage

[hollow river]

yup

[wintry mica]

usually its more like 15% though it seems like

[hollow river]

my RL asked me about the other day

he said wtf is going on with your breakdown

[wintry mica]

lol yea

[hollow river]

frost cheat code

[wintry mica]

every so often someone will whisper me like wtf is frost set

[hollow river]

yep

other rogue in my raid

is blood+sub

[wintry mica]

mine is still unholy sin

[hollow river]

and he wants to be frost sin now

[wintry mica]

and hes just like wtf is going on

[hollow river]

haha

i think he upgraded blood just because its what he had

[earnest remnant]

blood sub is good

[wintry mica]

blood sub is bis

[hollow river]

yeah but

he'd rather play sin

is what im saying

[wintry mica]

im trying to decide if i r5 unholy now or start ranking up blood

[hollow river]

same

[wintry mica]

yea blood still isnt bad, just not as good

[hollow river]

i think i go for the off set shards first

but blood would be cool

[wintry mica]

will probably beat frost until he ranks it up

yea, true i need to finish dyz and bek to r5

[earnest remnant]

blood on sub feels very nice, so much self healing

[hollow river]

yeah

frost is nice too

[wintry mica]

frost is not that far behind in hps

especially for sin

I doubt sub uses the crit shield gem as well as we do

[earnest remnant]

in p3 on sylv i do around 2.5k healing

hps that is

[hollow river]

i usually do 2-2.5k too

iirc

at least 2k

my winds did 930k on soulrender tonight

sub rogues r4 blood did 550k

[wintry mica]

frost is op on soulrender for sure

[wheat lance]

Am r4 frost coz its all i had. Just made dashing leggo going sin for our prog on last 3

[wintry mica]

also i cant tell but it doesnt seem like the frostrime gem has an icd

[hollow river]

we actually got a lil prog in on painsmith tn

cant wait to be done with that boss already

ready for guardian and the rest

[wintry mica]

actaully it might only proc once per second max

[hollow river]

i feel like sub is the play for painsmith

lots of free cp

[wintry mica]

this was the two closest procs i could find in a fight so i think its 1 sec ICD on the crit shield

ignore the other rogues name lmao

[hollow river]

LOL

[wintry mica]

we were doing our heroic clear with some alts and this dudes like let me invite a buddy and suggests darthpenus lol

i lost it

[hollow river]

haha

[idle star]

Cant wait for next week. Rank 5 frost

[wintry mica]

its pretty nice

was about 300 dps for me

[idle star]

Rank 4 is like 21% of crit dmg upto 416? Dmg. Whats rank 5?

[wintry mica]

26% up to 540 iirc

[idle star]

Omg nice

[wintry mica]

something like that

its weird though cause the "cap" is lower than it used to be

r1 was originally any crit damage over 3k wasnt stored

now its any crit damage over like 2k

[idle star]

Works for sins multiple fast crits

[wintry mica]

yea, just thought it seemed weird

[idle star]

If you crit for 20k envenom it will store 560 dmg

[wintry mica]

540 but yea

and if you crit for 2200 itll still store 540

[idle star]

Sorry 540

[wintry mica]

ill log on and look real quiick

[idle star]

Yeh and if you crit for 1500 it will store 390 or sum crap

Exactly 390 actually

26% of 1500

[wintry mica]

yep its 26% of the crit damage up to a cap of 540

assuming the tooltip is accurate lol

oh also theres a grammatical error in the tooltip

[idle star]

So really, what crits higher than 2200 in our kit

[wintry mica]

env muti and flag

i guess avg muti crit in this random log is still under 220

[idle star]

Thats it. Everything else hits below thr 540 cap.

So the 540 cap isnt super useful on the overall scheme of it

[wintry mica]

3rd line from the bottom

"total accumulation and and surrounding you"

[idle star]

Yeh. Ive had some winds crits up ober 57k at only rank 4. Cant wait for 5

[wintry mica]

even with my mediocre gear i hit a 107k tonight with r5

[idle star]

Shiiiii

Whats mediocre gear?

[wintry mica]

that was on soulrender though which is cheating

[steel ridge]

I am missing 4 embers this week 😦

[wintry mica]

im 241 with shit daggers

[idle star]

Does gear make a huge diff for the proc?

[wintry mica]

i mean more damage means higher proc

since you store more from each of the small crits

[idle star]

When you look at it. Its limited in dmg

Due to having a cap

So worse gear may not net lower results

[wintry mica]

true

well

no

since like 50% of our damage never gets close to the cap, better gear will always give you more damage on the proc

[idle star]

Nah im wrong

[cobalt pelican]

shocking

[rare bridge]

Hey all! Which is the better legendary? Keep seeing different things... Dashing Scoundrel or Obedience? If its Dashing, should I still be Ven or go into another cov?

or is it based on amount of crit?

[wintry mica]

they are both pretty close in ST depending on gear

your best bet is to sim it

but it seems like dashing pulls ahead with high rank of frost set and high crit

[hollow river]

For Venthyr

[rare bridge]

Sweet tysm! Been trying to get my frost shoulder forever

[wintry mica]

correct

doomblade is still good for necro

[hollow river]

If you have 3 sockets, legs now enable the set bonus

[wintry mica]

obe is nice since it works in all content if you are starved for ash/cinders for whatever reason

i guess some people are running dashing in keys now

[hollow river]

I’ve run it in a couple keys

But I mostly run outlaw/sub

[rare bridge]

Wait what i didnt know there was a leg dom socket gear... I mustve missed something ty

I thought i was 4/5

[hollow river]

Leg has no socket

It simply enables set bonus

You still need 3 other sockets

[wintry mica]

yea they just made it so there are 2 different slots that activate each set

[rare bridge]

oooooh interesting thank you...

[wintry mica]

so you dont need shoulders for frost

[balmy condor]

basically if you're venth, high ilevel, high crit = dashing
if you're anything else = dashing and doom equal

[hollow river]

You just don’t HAVE to have shoulders

[wintry mica]

which is probably how it should have been at the start lol

[hollow river]

Tbh no specific items should enable it

[wintry mica]

or just give you the set when you socket 3 of one type of shard regardless of what slots you have equipped

[hollow river]

It should just be whatever shards you pop in

[rare bridge]

Its annoying. Been going at it for months, norm/heroic/lfr

[wintry mica]

yea some people got really unlucky

[rare bridge]

rng bb

[wintry mica]

hit me up if you are pugging normal tarragrue or something and i can hop in and try and trade them to you

[rare bridge]

Shoulders drop from KT tho I thought. or you mean legs

[wintry mica]

tarra drops shoulders too

just not the crit ones lol

[hollow river]

You can get shoulders from tarragrue too

[rare bridge]

wow been so unlucky lol

[wintry mica]

also could get lucky from the timewalking weekly if you havent done it yet

i got shoulders out of it on my hunter

[hollow river]

Heroic KT shoulders out sim M Tara shoulders for me

[rare bridge]

No ima do that rn then

[wintry mica]

yep

same here

[hollow river]

So I still have to reclear heroic

[wintry mica]

still havent gotten the mythic bracers from him 😦

[hollow river]

Ready to be done

[wintry mica]

oh i forgot to post that boe i got today

we were legit clearing to soulrender

and skipped those three under the stairs

so i said lets pull these and see if we get a boe and then i did lol

[hollow river]

Lmao

Gratz

[idle star]

Shhhhh

[wintry mica]

feels kinda bad since i probably wouldnt replace them for a while

but 420k is also pretty nice

[hollow river]

Yeah I need that

I’m on a low pop so everything is expensive

[wintry mica]

the gold or the legs lol

[hollow river]

Either

[wintry mica]

i assume those would beat out the painsmith legs since they have higher crit?

[hollow river]

No idea

[wintry mica]

droptimizer does trash drops too i think so im runnin one

[hollow river]

I capped my alche just to make some gold

[wintry mica]

hmmm

[hollow river]

Need to get more into gold making

[wintry mica]

droptimizer says the pants are 40 dps but my top gear sim was closer to 70

[hollow river]

We’re supposed to start boosting raids soon

[wintry mica]

yea weve been meaning to set up some m+ boost groups

oh i had CT as my talent thats why this sim makes no sense

oh and my fuckin org tp cloak

im like how is the cloak from soulrender a 5% upgrade over my 262 dashing

[hollow river]

Lmao

[wintry mica]

so theres only one other set of legs on the AH

do i post now or wait and see if i can set the price higher as the only option

lmao nevermind

they are gone

[hollow river]

Lol

Set it for like 50k higher than those were or something

[wintry mica]

i went even more extreme lol

it was 423k and i set mine for 500

[hollow river]

Boe’s on good servers tend to sell if there’s not many up

[wintry mica]

figure even if i end up getting unlucky with pants i can probably buy the same boe in 2 weeks for a lot less than i sell it for now

[hollow river]

Idk boe’s seem a lot more rare from this tier

[wintry mica]

hopefully i wake up tomorrow with a fat stack of gold in my mail lol

[oak sky]

I set mine for 1m and i got a dm to sell it

For less

[wintry mica]

how long ago did you get it though

[oak sky]

Could happen for you too

2 days

[wintry mica]

are you on a tiny server?

[oak sky]

Tich

[wintry mica]

im on zuljin and there were multiple up earlier today for like 425-450

[oak sky]

Huh

There was only 1 other the whole day

[wintry mica]

i mean by multiple i think it was 2 or 3 at the most

[hollow river]

Different auction house

[wintry mica]

and they are all gone now

[hollow river]

For different servers

[oak sky]

Yeah ik its different

They just are both relatively big servers

[wintry mica]

deliver me from being poor boe rng gods

[oak sky]

I had 40k before i sold it

[wintry mica]

give me some sucker that wants to spend 500k on this

[oak sky]

Exactly

[wintry mica]

i bought a wow token a week or 2 ago when they hit like 190k

other than that im always poor

[hollow river]

Yep

I don’t wanna commit hours to gold farming

But looking pretty appealing ngl

Once you have enough you can just control the market and flip stuff

[wintry mica]

yea fuck that

[oak sky]

Boosting is probably the way

[hollow river]

Yep

[rare bridge]

To get shoulders from 1st boss do I need to change loot spec to outlaw or something? hb KT

[wintry mica]

it would take me longer to grind up a token worth of gold

than it would to make 20 bucks from working to buy a token lol

[hollow river]

Boosting takes time to tough

[oak sky]

Only weapons are different for loot spec

[hollow river]

No?

[rare bridge]

tyty!

[hollow river]

O.o

[rare bridge]

I didnt think so but was trying to explain shit rng lol

[hollow river]

Ah lol

I guess boosting you get your vault done to though

2 birds 1 stone

[wintry mica]

yea, i mean if you can do sylv boosts thats the way to go

[oak sky]

M+ takes longer

[wintry mica]

get like 5 people in all paying 200k+ for a 15 minute kill

hell some groups will take like 8+ carries into a run at a time

had some buddies buy sylv carries and one went with a cheaper option and they were like you have to die as soon as we transition

then the other did huokan and it was like a top 10 guild doing the carry and their just like literally nothing you can do will cause us to wipe

[oak sky]

Lol

Unless you hard grief prob

[wintry mica]

even then

[oak sky]

Too much dps and heals

I guess

[wintry mica]

maybe multiple people intentionally griefing puddles

[oak sky]

They would md it tho

[wintry mica]

but theyd probably just MD

lol

[oak sky]

You would have to run in 3 wailing arrows on the group or something that extreme

[wintry mica]

yea if i was doing a carry id for sure be like just die after p1

dont want people spreading veils and shit for no reason

[oak sky]

If you had the healing it wouldnt matter

[wintry mica]

true

[oak sky]

Youve seen the disc ramp clip yeah?

[wintry mica]

I did a pug sylv and we got multiple cleaved veils in p3 and the healers just pumped through it

like we probably had 30 stacks of veil

[oak sky]

Like the whole limit raid got veil in p2 and nobody died

And it was mythic not even heroic

[wintry mica]

yea its crazy

i tried learning disc a bit last tier but its tough to swap to when you havent healed since like tbc

and offspec for sunking but that doesnt count

[oak sky]

Disc looks cool and all but no way i want to play healer

Dam only

[wintry mica]

yea i only played alittle of resto druid for sunking which is hardly real raid healing

basically just spamming a target dummy doing like 30k hps

im actually looking at one of my old heal logs and trying to explain this regrowth i just found

[storm quest]

is there like a soft crit cap i should shoot for or is it just stack crit haste

[wintry mica]

just trust the sims

[storm quest]

bet

[wintry mica]

general it seems like somewhere int he 40-45% range is where you want crit

but some people have like 50

[storm quest]

yea im sitting like 30 lol and it just wants me to stack haste

[oak sky]

Thats a banger regrowth

[wintry mica]

are you runnin unholy?

[storm quest]

im running frost

[wintry mica]

30 is pretty low crit for frost so im suprised its telling you to get haste

[storm quest]

yea thats why i was wondering in the first place

[wintry mica]

yea im trying to remember what would make it hit that hard

[oak sky]

Just run whatever gear the sim tells you it won't point you wrong as long as the dom set bonus is turned on

[wintry mica]

besides the fact that I was in boomkin gear with bell and the niya buff giving me like 2k mastery