assassination

[limber lion]

[tiny saddle]

so i shouldnt worry about timing the unholy with vendetta burst?

[wintry mica]

Not really

You can try to sync with your last vendetta but it’s definitely not worth losing a cast over

[stray mural]

So with Cut to the Chase, is Recuperator always active or is it only on the initial Slice and Dice?

[wintry mica]

Always

[stray mural]

thats sick

[tiny saddle]

yeah man

[wintry mica]

It’s still not much healing tbh

Less than you’ll get from either of the defensive frost shards by a decent amount

Thats it's healing vs R5 frost gems on an eye kill

[tiny saddle]

man fleshcraft with the frost bonus shield thing must be awesome

[wintry mica]

yea there are even some fights with good times to channel it mid pull

but im venth

[stray mural]

Sylv is the only fight where pressing it mid run doesn't feel bad

[woeful wigeon]

9.5k on sims

[narrow ravine]

I use fleshcraft after killing KT before going down into the butt

[wintry mica]

sounds about right for the gear you have

[narrow ravine]

there is a few seconds of wait for the extra action

[woeful wigeon]

gems are all rank 4

[wintry mica]

r5 will give you like 300 dps

[tiny saddle]

is frost worth it r3?

[woeful wigeon]

3more weeks of grinding grrr

[wintry mica]

r3 was when frost started beating unholy for me

but I had a lot of crit from the get go

[tiny saddle]

what was your unholy?

[wintry mica]

simming against similar rank

[narrow ravine]

even if they are close, frost is superior for progression from the absorb shield side of things

stay alive, dead dps is no dps

[wintry mica]

yea frost r5 is very consistent 1k hps for me

or more

accretion is OP and frostrime is really good for us

probably sucks for most classes though

[woeful wigeon]

are you playing with obediance or dashing ?

[wintry mica]

I run dashing in raid

[woeful wigeon]

EP+vig or you swapped to BS+DS

[pale plank]

I am hyped, I might be have just enough for R5 this week after raid

[quasi grotto]

i think my sims are broken, dps loss past 2 weeks.even going form r4 to 5 shard isnt showing as top

[wintry mica]

still run ep/vig for everything but guardian

[quasi grotto]

on vault that is. im supoer confused

[wintry mica]

you probably messed something up, last time I tried to sim the r5 upgrade it removed the blood and unholy dps gems from my set

link the sim and i can take a look

[tiny saddle]

hmmm im wondering if that happened to me earlier when i tried simming

[quasi grotto]

didnt click one of the r5 shards kek

[narrow ravine]

when simming the shards make sure to check replace enchantments, and select all 5 of them

[wintry mica]

yea that was my problem I only selected the frost ones so it simmed me with 2 empty sockets

[quasi grotto]

think ive also just hit the odd spot with my gear. everything is sidegrades really, only on 10.1k

[wintry mica]

it becomes harder to gain dps the higher you are

[tiny saddle]

i tried simming with r5 frost

but some of my other sims which shouldnt be higher ended up higher

[woeful wigeon]

weird i got lower ilvl got more output then you with r4

[quasi grotto]

struggling to get it up past 2 weeks, hoping can get r5 this week though. showing 200 dps increase but i think im expectiong a bit too much

[wintry mica]

its just gear/stats, I was simming like 9700 with r4 at 240

[tiny saddle]

my actual frost shards are r3 though so i think something mustve happened on simc even though i set them as r5

[woeful wigeon]

wait why yo use maim and shiv as potency ?

[wintry mica]

hes running doomblade

[tiny saddle]

those were my highest simming conduits

[wintry mica]

and hes necro so no lashing

[tiny saddle]

im a necro btw

[woeful wigeon]

kk

[amber mountain]

there's a pill for that

[woeful wigeon]

grib send me once your string for raidbots

[wintry mica]

yea link us to the sim so we can take a look at the settings

[tiny saddle]

lol... how do i do that?

[wintry mica]

can just copy the url of the report

[deft obsidian]

Just share the url

[tiny saddle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fjGJxpfafcfLueTF6im8pL

[abstract quiver]

hey i’m new to assa and i can’t find the answer in the faq so sorry if it’s obvious but is the opening sequence for venthyr/ST/MA talent to do

Mut-> SnD-> Mut-> Garrote-> Flag-> Rupt-> Vend-> Mut-> shiv-> vanish-> envenom ?

[tiny saddle]

btw i also simmed a 262 dashing and doomblade simmed higher

[lethal zodiac]

Mut -> SnD -> Mut -> Garrot -> Flag -> Ven -> Rupture -> Shiv -> Mut -> Vanish -> Envenom -> Mut -> Envenom -> Mut -> Mut -> Envenom

@abstract quiver

[tiny saddle]

which is weird cause this chart i found on this channel says otherwise

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit#gid=580596424

[shadow tusk]

This is done in full bis i believe

[wintry mica]

you dont have to vendetta before rupture, and after shiv you dont follow exactly it depends on crits and CP

[half tartan]

Do you guys Vendetta before or after the shiv, also do you vanish on an envenom or on a Mut

[tiny saddle]

i put it before

[wintry mica]

vendetta before shiv

[lethal zodiac]

i put it after

[tiny saddle]

vendetta before shiv

[shadow tusk]

shiv does - dmg

so it doesnt matter

[wintry mica]

you want vendetta on CD asap

[shadow tusk]

But you wanna do vanish -> mut -> env -> mut

[wintry mica]

yea I dont do an extra mut before vanish either

[abstract quiver]

ty boss

[wintry mica]

I think getting almost guaranteed 4 CP from 2 mut is more valuable, but one of the actual smart rogues probably knows for sure which is optimal

[tiny saddle]

lmao thats why i joined this dc

to get tips from those smart rogues

[woeful wigeon]

grim can you send a pic of ingame stats you got atm ?

[tiny saddle]

😄

for sure

should i send what im currently using or crit build?

[woeful wigeon]

both just to see

[half tartan]

Can you guys recommend a good pair or 2 of Crocs, ever since switching to assassin I just feel a deep seated desire to be more fashionable. My confidence has shot up to the moon. Was even able to keep eye contact with a 9|rL for a few seconds.

[pale plank]

Definitely feel like u could be pushing more @tiny saddle I am doing about the same with less ilvl

[tiny saddle]

im not necessarily doing bad, like im usually up there in dps when my guild raids

but yeah i wanna know how i can do better

[pale plank]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jefWjUMCriTERBaHyEGdAm

Here is mine, u gotta better weapons than me too

[wintry mica]

so from a Cev log it looks like he usually does flag->rup->ven->shiv->vanish->mut instead of mut again before vanish

[pale plank]

Rank4 shards tho

[limber lion]

Correct.

[woeful wigeon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jDK2Vn9iPZRxTgTxjwjECe

rank4 to

[limber lion]

Muti - Env - Muti is actually better than Env - Muti - Env most of the time

[woeful wigeon]

lower i lvl then you

[tiny saddle]

can i see what your hitting in raid? or is that rude to ask idk

[gusty mirage]

yeah you want to maximize how many mutilates over getting more envenoms in the MA window

[limber lion]

It puts your vanish on cooldown faster and getting crits during the MA window means more combo points, which means more envenoms.

[wintry mica]

yea thats what I figured, get them CPs rolling for flag

[limber lion]

I've started doing something a bit different recently though

[pale plank]

@woeful wigeon damn u simming pretty high

[tiny saddle]

ignore that request if its considered rude lol

[strange python]

Hey guys. I have pretty bad logs on Soulrender, any tips how to padd there or what to do? (we've killed it 4times so i can do w/e)

[woeful wigeon]

yeah i know

[wintry mica]

I saw th eopener on one of your recent guardian kills was different

[limber lion]

I do Muti - SnD - Muti - Gar - Flag - Rupture - Vendetta - Vanish - Shiv - Muti - Envenom - Vanish

[half tartan]

I've been shiving before Ven, although likely minor will go with ven first

[limber lion]

So I vanish during the EP/Envenom window

[woeful wigeon]

and i got crit penalty for some bull shit

[gusty mirage]

I've messed around with that too

[wintry mica]

seems like it would make sense

[limber lion]

You just gotta pay attention to it

Because if you Vendetta on cooldown and Shiv right after

Then you won't have Vanish for the Shiv

[gusty mirage]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/ceverion

[limber lion]

which is mega giga

[half tartan]

We want vanish shiv?

[wintry mica]

you always want shiv up during vanish

[mystic fractal]

Finally got hc sylv down, yay, on to mythic!

[wintry mica]

gz

[gusty mirage]

grats

[pale plank]

Gratz

[wintry mica]

@pale plank, looking at that sim you linked you might want to look into a korthia dagger

220 crit haste korthia dagger outsimmed LFR sylv in oh for me

[woeful wigeon]

see why the hell i get crit penalty

[wintry mica]

once you break 30% from rating you get DR

[gusty mirage]

play crimson tempest and hope your monks and boomies don't melt the adds

that's about it

[wintry mica]

do the secret CT tech

[woeful wigeon]

DR ?

[gusty mirage]

diminishing returns

[wintry mica]

diminishing returns

[gusty mirage]

as you get higher rating for each secondary (except for mastery) it starts DRing

[woeful wigeon]

ok so beter go for 1049/1050 crit then ?

[wintry mica]

no

[limber lion]

In simple terms

[wintry mica]

mastery still gets DR it just gets converted from mastery rating to mastery points first I believe

[tiny saddle]

holy shit ceverion LOL

[limber lion]

The more crit you have, the less crit you get

[tiny saddle]

my goodness your logs

[pale plank]

I have it, but since I don’t do korthia it’s stuck at ilvl220 and the lfr is doing about 45dps more lmao

[limber lion]

They're aight

[tiny saddle]

like me its all yellow

[wintry mica]

pretty sure cev is literally r1 for heroic sin right now?

[gusty mirage]

he is indeed

[tiny saddle]

yeah

[limber lion]

Heroic everyone

not just sin

[gusty mirage]

but he's a robot

so ignore him

[wintry mica]

lol

[tiny saddle]

yeah id rather not compare myself to that

[gusty mirage]

I'm only 1047 spots behind you on heroic @limber lion

[tiny saddle]

LMAOOO earlier when i asked if anybody was an orange parsing necro you were probably laughing

[gusty mirage]

but I got robbed

they didn't log our sale and I would've upgraded my KT and sylv parses

[wintry mica]

theres plenty of fights with necro sin at rank 1

[tiny saddle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/grimjawz

[wintry mica]

I assume we will finally start seeing more dashing in the top 100 now that peple have it 262

[tiny saddle]

(ignore that sylvanas one though LOL)

not the greatest, but im doing okay. i just wanna get one damn orange parse

[wintry mica]

looks like a classic sylv pug with a shitload of hunters and rogues

[tiny saddle]

my buddy told me just to focus on not dying lol

im gonna try to get a better parse on sylvanas now that i know what to do

[wintry mica]

at the end of the day the important thing is that the boss dies

i giga simp in mythic and just say fuck my parses

I can go for a parse when something is comfortably on farm for a few weeks

[wary ice]

honestly just keeping uptime as assa is like half the battle for parsing

[wintry mica]

yea, keep dots up and dont cap on energy and you are like 3/4ths of the way there lol

its why sin was so high on the log rankings for a while, our low end was always significantly higher than most classes

[tiny saddle]

but yeah, the only things i can think of that would boost my dps is 1. shard related things 2. timing cooldowns (pooling, etc.)

[wary ice]

honestly link a log

Most of the time people say that and they have the concepts down but are not actually implementing it

[tiny saddle]

yo if you can tell me doing wrong

i would super fucking appreciate that

im always down to learn ,man

[wary ice]

I cant be im sure oxi/cev/better assa's than me can find mistakes

its just way easier to say "shiv on cd" than it is to actually shiv on cd

etc

[tiny saddle]

oh one thing about shivs

i only shiv when im at 4-5 combo points

is that wrong

[wintry mica]

think of shiv as an uptime buff and not a cooldown

you want to basically use it as close to on CD as possible

[wary ice]

IDT theres any reason to delay it on anything assuming you'll fight the boss for the durration its up

[shadow tusk]

Do shiv on CD always

[tiny saddle]

with doomblade i assumed itd be better if i always follow shiv with an envenom

[shadow tusk]

You can plan around it though

[wintry mica]

unless you are target swapping in the next 6 seconds there really isnt a reason to delay shiv

or i guess shiv is 9 seconds?

[tiny saddle]

it doesnt take long to get to 4-5 cp and then id shiv envenom mutilate sbs envenom

which would take about 8 seconds or so

[wintry mica]

I dont know necro enough to know if you SBS during shiv

but typically you want to cast only mut and env

[wary ice]

Shiv's value is more than just increasing envenom burst

Deadly poison dot and procs are huge during it

[tiny saddle]

i just sbs cause it gives me extra cp if they already have a spike on them

so it takes me to 5

[shadow tusk]

SBS during ur gemstone windows

[wintry mica]

yea but muti is a double hit for instant poison

[wary ice]

DP

[tiny saddle]

yeah thats solid advice

i just downloaded the bonesmith wa so i know when the crit window happens

[wary ice]

I wouldnt expect shiv to adjust your rotation in anyways,ie: sbs during gemstone still even if its during shiv; but i dont play necro so i never had to think about it

[wintry mica]

I know for venthyr you ideally only cast mut and env during shiv window but you still reapply dots and whatnot if you have to

i have no idea how SBS interacts with poison procs though

[tiny saddle]

yeah for the most part my dots are always up

[wintry mica]

you also shouldnt be opening with ambush

[cerulean nest]

guardian druids are insanity

jesus

[wintry mica]

not sure if that was just the log i happened to grab but you did ambush snd sbs as an opener

[strange python]

So are you just using shiv 5 times and sixth shiv is delaying Vendetta or Vendetta on CD and Shiv when comes from CD?

[wintry mica]

as long as you get shiv during the vendetta window its fine you dont have to have them perfectly synved

you can delay your vanish until shiv comes up

[tiny saddle]

which log was that?

[wintry mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZPnHtL3bRdgq7Gvp#fight=36&type=casts&source=2&view=timeline it was a guardian kill

you only ambush if you are running BS/DS and get a proc c

[tiny saddle]

ive only used ambush like once or twice and that was when i was trying out the bs/ds thing

[shadow tusk]

Vendetta on CD, you can hold shiv for up to i believe 10-12 seconds if Vendetta is comming up

[tiny saddle]

wait wtf

omg

i just realized

i changed my action bar to fit a macro in

and mutilate and ambush switched placed

places*

[wintry mica]

I dont even have ambush on my bar unless im on guardian lol

i just replace my CT keybind with ambush

[tiny saddle]

dude thanks

i wouldn't even have known if you didnt check my shit out

omg have i been starting off with ambush every fight LOL

https://tenor.com/view/embarrassed-panda-gif-4075545

[wintry mica]

Lmao

[tiny saddle]

my openers supposed to be mutilate-bonespike-snd-gar-mutilate-rupture

[shadow tusk]

Do BS - SnD - Mut - Gar - Rup

[tiny saddle]

ill try that

but wouldnt that rup only have 2 cp?

[wintry mica]

It should have 4-5 unless you are really unlucky

Since you snd before mut

You don’t want to spend too many CP on snd because it’ll get extended for free

[shadow tusk]

Yeah the Mut will most likely crit and put you on 3-4 and then garr will get you there

[fallen arch]

BS?

[wintry mica]

I still get 1 per night it seems where mut doesn’t crit at all during MA

[shadow tusk]

bonespike

[fallen arch]

Sbs

[shadow tusk]

right

that

[fallen arch]

Bs is blindside in my head

[shadow tusk]

Yeah

Venthyr brain

[tiny saddle]

ill definitely try that today

and tomorrow as well

thank you

one more thing though

so my burst might have a mistake as well

[shadow tusk]

Opener usually doesn't matter that much but its nice to improve where you can

[wary ice]

if i remember right; when bonespike first became good again, we counted it out and a 1cp SnD is exactly enough time to get fullCP envonm off while still setting up all your maintence with 0 crits

[tiny saddle]

so assume that i followed either my original opener, or the one you just recommended

[wary ice]

thats a reply to the wrong thing

[heavy vessel]

In the opener why vendetta after flag? Wouldn’t the 5 hits of flag benefit from vendetta being up

[wary ice]

supposed to be RE: the snd at low on opener cause of cttc

[wintry mica]

You want vendetta up for the duration of the flag buff since it has a ramp

And flag doesn’t really do much damage

[balmy condor]

[tiny saddle]

after all my dots are applied, id get to 4-5 cp and then go vendetta,bloodfury (im an orc lol), phantom fire, shiv, vanish, envenom, mutilate (either twice or mutilate then sbs), evenom

[shadow tusk]

More or less yeah, just make sure to use the SBS in the gemstone window

not in the vanish

[tiny saddle]

duly noted

[shadow tusk]

also dont bother going to 4-5 cp just blast vendetta - shiv - Vaniish - mut - env - mut

[tiny saddle]

but my burst seems fine, right?

see i get confused cause different guides told me different things

[shadow tusk]

Yeah that'll happen

[wintry mica]

you dont need to worry about how many CP you have when you shiv

[tiny saddle]

i was told to get the most amount of envenoms in my shiv window since my lego boosts nature damage

so i would always follow a shiv with a full cp envenom

[fallen arch]

No

Just slam on cd

[shadow tusk]

Thats the general strat sure, but shiv on cd before anything else

[wintry mica]

nah delaying shiv for a GCD or 2 to get CP is not worth

[fallen arch]

For starters

[wintry mica]

its only a 25 second CD so it doesnt take much delaying for you to lose a cast

[tulip halo]

Is it bugged with the new legs that I can't have two sets? My main set (unholy) doesnt look activated either anymore...

[wary ice]

you should read this advice as "all my cp in shiv window should go into Env"

[wintry mica]

why would you be able to have two sets

you can still only equip 5 gems

[balmy condor]

You would need 6 sockets for 2 sets

[tulip halo]

ah that legs deosnt count as a free socket

free shard i mean

k now i understand 😉

[tiny saddle]

no it doesnt lol

[wintry mica]

nope they just made it easier to activate sets

[charred wraith]

if you really want a 6th dom socket, buy a cloth wrist boe

[tiny saddle]

i thought that as well

[wintry mica]

pretty sure that was fixed before 9.1 ever went live

[charred wraith]

it was

[tiny saddle]

so shiv on cd always

[balmy condor]

Yes

[tiny saddle]

and what exactly do you mean by all cp go to envenom

[tulip halo]

Thx @balmy condor :)))

[wintry mica]

in an ideal world, you only cast mut and env during shiv window

[tiny saddle]

like less than full cp?

[shadow tusk]

only exception is if vendetta is comming up within i believe its 10 seconds

[wary ice]

i mean you shouldnt need to refresh snd(???) or rupture during shiv

you should be doing that before the window happens

[fallen arch]

Guys

[wary ice]

so that all your finishers, during shiv are envenom -however many that is

[fallen arch]

Would you take a 252 IQD over a 252 SGT if sims say its a 40 dps win?

ST that is

[tiny saddle]

whats sgt?

[fallen arch]

Shadowgrasp totem

[balmy condor]

Shadow grasp totem

[tiny saddle]

oh

id pick shadowgrasp

[shadow tusk]

fuck IQD tbh

[tiny saddle]

i personally dont like iqd

[balmy condor]

Id play the iqd

[wary ice]

IQD is fine imo

[wintry mica]

I dont see the downside if totem sims higher and is consistent

[balmy condor]

But a lot of people will scream and kick about mana proc

[slow marsh]

iqd is better for parsing farm fights 😄

[wary ice]

iqd is simming higher in this example

[tiny saddle]

yes id prefer consistency over rng things

[wintry mica]

oh i read it wrong

[fallen arch]

You would?

[slow marsh]

its not rng but yeah iqd is bigger for shorter fights

[wary ice]

they have weak auras that make the awkawrd ness of iqd usage pretty negligable

[wintry mica]

you just need the drop target macro mainly

[balmy condor]

Yeah I also played a 226 iqd all 9.0.5

[fallen arch]

I’ma sim it for cleave as well

[tiny saddle]

i know it sims higher, but it has a chance to do other things like give a friendly caster mp or something

id much prefer a trinket that only helps me LOL

[wintry mica]

yea I would think totem would gain value on most actual fights with the CD reduction but dno if itd be enough to overtake 40 dps

[fallen arch]

I have been fishing for tthat stupid trinket al 9.0.5 but now idk if I want it

[charred wraith]

iqd is great, not only it sim for great numbers, but it also really good for most encounters

[tiny saddle]

theres a lot of variables with iqd though

[wintry mica]

I honestly hate totem but im basically stuck with it until i get mythic guardian trink

[charred wraith]

no

[fallen arch]

Ye exactly

Why hate totem?

I think totem is great

[wintry mica]

its boring

[tiny saddle]

isnt totem one of the best trinkets for us?

[slow marsh]

set your iqd sim to like 75% if you're gonna cry about giving mana once per raid night

[fallen arch]

And amp isn’t boring?

[wintry mica]

I think its more interesting that totem

[spice spire]

Same principle on both. On use trinket that boosts damage

[wintry mica]

yea

[fallen arch]

Ye hence my question

[spice spire]

Unsure how ones different from the other

[wintry mica]

[spice spire]

Understandable, have a nice day

[wintry mica]

I feel like i never know who totem is going to be hitting or if im actually getting the maximum out of the CDR

[spice spire]

But also mythic guardian trinket is just better so you’re not stuck with it. Just waiting on the upgrade

[fallen arch]

So many trinkets in vault this week

Except for 252 phial

[spice spire]

The answer is yes

[wintry mica]

well I just mean there isn't anything to replace it with until then

[fallen arch]

It’s gonna be a while for me to get guardian mythic trink

[tiny saddle]

same

[wintry mica]

same

[spice spire]

Had a 252 SGT and IQD last week

In vault

[wintry mica]

i have totem and phial already from vault so I wont be changing until guardian

[tiny saddle]

the only 252 trinket ive ever seen in vault was bottled flaywing

):

[spice spire]

Always lucky

[tiny saddle]

but yeah im using phial and heroic guardian trinket

[spice spire]

That’s a solid combo tho

[wintry mica]

yea, definitely

[spice spire]

I’m using 252 SGT and 246 Phial

Like a peasant

[wintry mica]

id trade one for a 252 wep though lol

[fallen arch]

Same and I think im gonna stick with it

[wintry mica]

I have a 246 phial too

[tiny saddle]

those are deezed trinkets though lol

sgt isnt bad at all

[fallen arch]

No it’s great

[wintry mica]

at least trinkets are cheap upgrades but I pumped mine to 246 right before i got it in the vault

[fallen arch]

But it’s not close to a 252 amp

[spice spire]

OOOOOF

[wintry mica]

yea im pretty sure the only thing that beats 252 totem is amp and phial

at least in my sims thats the case

[shadow tusk]

How far off is decanter?

[fallen arch]

Quite far off

[tiny saddle]

pretty far off

[shadow tusk]

[wintry mica]

the only close one last time I did droptimizer was 252 ocular

[fallen arch]

But I guess it depends a bit on your current crit levels

[shadow tusk]

Im using it currently as it simmed over my 246 totem

[fallen arch]

I got one of those in vault now

[tiny saddle]

oh btw

[fallen arch]

And with it I can get 54% crit

[tiny saddle]

for salvaged fusion amplifier

[wintry mica]

i might have been simming with bs/ds tho so might not be super accurate

lol

[tiny saddle]

should i use that immediately on cd?

cause i usually wait til snd is up first

[wintry mica]

well SND should be up literally 2 seconds into the pull

iirc for venthyr it was a small gain to delay it so that it was active for the flag haste buff

not sure about necro though

I would assume you can basically pop it with all your other CDs since the only haste buff you would wait for would be alacrity but holding that long is trolling

so thats a long way of saying yes use it on CD

[slow marsh]

technically yeah use it when you snd

[tiny saddle]

man

[slow marsh]

its not on gcd

[fallen arch]

Ye so in your second global

[slow marsh]

and its only delayed 2 second

[tiny saddle]

i hope with this new opener yall told me + my new bonewmith wa i can finally improve

[fallen arch]

Just check what top logs do

[wintry mica]

yea go look at top 100 and find a necro using amp and see when they cast it to get a feel

[wintry mica]

decanter is only 36 dps behind my totem

[tiny saddle]

same ilvl?

[wintry mica]

yea at 252

thats just my sims though, so ymmv. Ocular is also a 1 dps loss apparently lol

[loud mason]

I have 5 combo points on the target and shiv just got off cd, use before enveno or after?

[wintry mica]

shiv

even if it wastes the cp

[loud mason]

Alrighty thanks for quick answer : )

[fallen arch]

Yeah its fine to waste a cp on shiv

So your envenom will be juicy

[wintry mica]

thats one thing i miss about doomblade unholy set

some juicy env crits

even back when i had like 220 daggers I would get the occasional 20k env

[loud mason]

and always just use envenom combo points on 4 and above? while rupture on 5 only?

[wintry mica]

no

finishers use at max-1 cp

[loud mason]

so both of them at 4 and above combo points?

[wintry mica]

so 4 or 5 with ep/vig and 5 or 6 with bs/ds

yep

[balmy condor]

4 or 5 cp doesn’t actually change the damage

Just btw

[wintry mica]

thank god btw

that was legion they changed that right?

[loud mason]

Aight thanks for quick answers :))

[balmy condor]

WoD

I think

[buoyant fossil]

How/when should I pool energy? I know between enven when I don't have rup or garrote to refresh, but if they are all pandemic range and shiv is like 3 seconds before coming off cd

Id only have like 30 or so energy when I shiv

[balmy condor]

If they’re in pandemic you would refresh

That’s fine

[buoyant fossil]

Ideally I should have 8 seconds left on both bleeds before shiv right

At least

[wintry mica]

shiv lasts 9 seconds

and minimum 2 GCDs to reapply bleed so 10+ is probably safer

[buoyant fossil]

But I shouldn't delay shiv for that

[wintry mica]

but its more important to slam shiv on CD than to worry about making sure you have a certain amount of bleed up

[fallen arch]

Dont think its that big of a deal to garrote in a shiv window

Its a builder

[wintry mica]

iirc garrote cannot proc our deadly poison damage so its not ideal

but its better than letting a bleed fall off

[fallen arch]

Not ideal no

[buoyant fossil]

Less energy going to mut envs in shiv window tho

[wintry mica]

think of shiv as an uptime buff not a CD window

[wary ice]

garrote is insanely short term energy inefficient

[buoyant fossil]

I have this weird prio list in my head where I need to make sure I get 3 envs in shiv lol

[wary ice]

which is exactly what you're looking to avoid in your shiv window

[wintry mica]

straight from the FAQ

[clever kindle]

You can watch your frost set crit for 70k instead

[wintry mica]

Q: I'm not getting 3 envenoms into a shiv window, is that a problem?
A: We cast shiv on cooldown, regardless of envenoms in that window, even in aoe, where envenoms are fairly uncommon.

[buoyant fossil]

Yeah I saw that, tried just casting on cd on my last raid but didn't see too much of a difference

[wintry mica]

still not worth letting garrote drop as you lose energy regen and damage

[wary ice]

sure but just play better and refresh before your shiv rather than having to take the L to keep it up during

[clever kindle]

I would rather just pandemic garrote a second early then deal with the issue of having them overlap

[buoyant fossil]

Still don't know how to get some insane envenom uptimes like I see in top logs. I can barely get upper 70s

[wintry mica]

might not be pooling between env enough

[placid pagoda]

anyone know why i sim higher as Necro then i would as venth?

[clever kindle]

Yeah if you dont have cooldowns up theres no reason to spam your envenoms rather then ride out the buff from dashing

as long as you arent overcapping

[placid pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2zquAG2AYBesK5idkxfw2A

[wintry mica]

could be any number of reasons, necro is still close ST, especially if you are simming with doomblade

[placid pagoda]

yeah

[wintry mica]

it also looks like you might have simmed venth without lashing

[fallen arch]

Then it begs the question, refresh before window outside of pandemic or during within pandemic?

[wary ice]

before outside 100%

[wintry mica]

I would imagine an early refresh is better

[wary ice]

literally wouldnt even think about it

Although im fairly certain

Garrotes pandemic is like

[clever kindle]

you still get full pandemic if you use garrote early

[wary ice]

....6?

and change

i was thinking rupture when i started this thought

[clever kindle]

You just dont get an extra on top of that

[wary ice]

but garrote is ass now

[clever kindle]

still does a good amount of damage

[wary ice]

garrote does damage yeah

but its not 3x SS Subt damage

playing around garrote is a very bfa thing

[clever kindle]

Sure it's not nyalotha lol

[wintry mica]

or playing around garrote is an m+ thing

[clever kindle]

That being said frost set feels similar in a way in terms of juicing a specific stat

[wintry mica]

im still waiting to get to 50% crit so I can stop getting 2 CP mutis during MA

[clever kindle]

benefit of running necro

you just fill in with a bone spike

[wintry mica]

still feels bad to have 92% crit and both hits dont crit lol

[clever kindle]

No reason for me to hold it for gemstone when im at 93% crit from MA/baseline

lol

[narrow ravine]

I just want FoK to give me more than 1 combo point in a pack of 8

[wintry mica]

lol

[clever kindle]

Yeah can be a feelsbadman

[wary ice]

best we cna do is 2

[narrow ravine]

I really need to just make a sub lego and be done with it

[wintry mica]

has anyone been simming personal crit food vs feast? cause its really close fo rme

[clever kindle]

probably too close to care tbh, I would imagine main stat would win out slightly

[wintry mica]

do you not have obe?

[narrow ravine]

I went dashing for my second legendary and now it sims within 6 dps of doom again and doom feels better

I am necro

[wintry mica]

ah

[narrow ravine]

might swap after 9.1.5 when swapping becomes easier

[wintry mica]

yea it was within margin of error on the sim

people do get a hard on for main stat though

I had to explain to someone yesterday why the 15% main stat on tarra isnt as good as you think it is

[obtuse robin]

?

it is good

[clever kindle]

Yep Ive showed people that before lol

[obtuse robin]

its like top 5

[wintry mica]

pretty sure 12% crit is actually better for us lol

[clever kindle]

Nah the main stat one isnt nearly as useful as Blade of the Lifetaker, the ooze blob etc

[obtuse robin]

uhh no?

[narrow ravine]

well its not just 15% main stat its also a periodic life drain which does dps

[clever kindle]

Blade of the lifetaker and potent acid gland are disgusting

[obtuse robin]

u can literally do the math

[wintry mica]

yea

15% agi

takes your current agi and times 1.15

[balmy condor]

[wintry mica]

12% crit gives you 12% crit

it doesnt increase your crit rating by 12%

[clever kindle]

keep in mind theres a few stat ones right? But generally ive had better luck with the gimmick ones

[obtuse robin]

so does echo they have those all ranked

[oak sky]

What am i seeing in this chain

[obtuse robin]

on their site

[balmy condor]

12% crit is worse

FOR SURE

[narrow ravine]

I got a 99% parse with 3 of the +12% stat ones going

[balmy condor]

Like

Not even a debate

[oak sky]

Best is like erratic howler potent acid gland elethium weights huddled carvings i think

[narrow ravine]

was like crit haste and mastery all +12

[obtuse robin]

weights is number 1

[slow marsh]

I got 99 parse on mythic with the 12% crit

[wintry mica]

15% agi gives me 255 agi

[oak sky]

I wasnt saying in order

[wintry mica]

12% crit is like 500 crit rating

or more

[balmy condor]

[clever kindle]

A lot of it is rng and also the powers the rest of your raid gets

[obtuse robin]

255 agi is like 1.1k dps

[clever kindle]

the faster the boss dies the better you look right

[oak sky]

But this is tarragrue

Who cares

[clever kindle]

The more uptime you had on powers vs total boss life

[slow marsh]

the 30% agi/stam is actually decent tho

[obtuse robin]

lol whats going on here

[wintry mica]

true tarra parses literally dont matter

[slow marsh]

but huddled is bis

[clever kindle]

Tarra is just fun to pump on

[obtuse robin]

not only decent its top 5

[wintry mica]

its a joke of a boss

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s more being bad at math and not understanding stats

[narrow ravine]

tarra parses are life!

[strange python]

Is there a way to sim PI easily on raidbots?

[balmy condor]

The 3iq sin rogue special

[clever kindle]

Yeah we're just shooting the shit on a pointless boss

[obtuse robin]

literally to go echos site and see the tier list

[oak sky]

Its literally a meme fight where rng decides your parse

[clever kindle]

yes but my dps looks cool

[slow marsh]

I'm just glad I got my 99 parse for mythic terra early so i can just meme forever and not care

[clever kindle]

[narrow ravine]

next topic, how many balls do you rupture on painsmith!

[slow marsh]

even though it still doesn't matter cuz it doesn't count for all star points anyways

[obtuse robin]

so what we having a discussion

[clever kindle]

Also can I get some emotional support guys

I had one of my vendetta assigned to an add on soulrender

[strange python]

LOL

[clever kindle]

[obtuse robin]

understanding these powers can help u understand other shit

math hard tho

[balmy condor]

Depends on your definition of “easily”, you can input a line to sim it, I don’t have it handy but I think it’s external_buffs.power_infusion=x

[slow marsh]

rip not having a monk

[strange python]

If the add lives long enough for vendetta to last you're gonna wipe

[oak sky]

Yeah that add lives like 10s in my raid

[clever kindle]

we killed it but yeah probably half of my vendetta was being wasted by the end

[strange python]

Got it, I'll try to track it down to confirm, thx.

[clever kindle]

It was deinitely a brands not standing on them fast enough thing

but whatever

[narrow ravine]

last night our warrior was MIA, rip no battle shout

[slow marsh]

sounds like a raid leader that doesn't understand rogue and someone not willing to explain how rogue works xD

[strange python]

Just shiv it and vendetta the boss after

[clever kindle]

Next time thats the plan

[obtuse robin]

vendetta on big add

my gawd

[clever kindle]

Yeah, pain

[balmy condor]

Raid leader assigning dps cooldowns to adds

On soulrender?

[obtuse robin]

they sabotaging you

[oak sky]

Very weird

[clever kindle]

[balmy condor]

Sounds like some fucking micromanage if I’ve ever seen it

[clever kindle]

I bitched

[balmy condor]

I can understand asking who has cds for 2nd platform sylvanas or something

But soulrender is omegalul

[slow marsh]

yeah

[clever kindle]

we killed it in under 30 pulls too so

[strange python]

Tell them you'll vendetta big add if they stack brands and no one else hits it so you can parse

[slow marsh]

its pad central those adds shouldn't be living anyways

[clever kindle]

true

But we had like 30 pulls over 1 full raid night on it so probably just patching an issue to move on, I get to parse plenty on eye and the nine

[oak sky]

I mean

Even assigning cds that like

Arent a target debuff

[clever kindle]

me and others explained that

Like our warlocks using tyrant

you know

the thing that can then go hit other shit

[obtuse robin]

just go outlaw and say what cd

[oak sky]

Most of the cds in the game besides vendetta make sense

[clever kindle]

Im an outlaw main normally I just dont have quite the setup I want

[wintry mica]

when adding custom lines to simc where do you add a tag to identify the changes

[clever kindle]

well once conduit energy goes away its much easier anyways

[wintry mica]

like to give a name to the combo you are simming

[rapid forum]

anyone know the cd timing for sylvanas? during p2, use cds on the frist bossburn and the secound? or hold for last phase

[obtuse robin]

yes

both

[balmy condor]

Okay, hear me out, play outlaw on that fight, and then promise to adrenaline rush every big add for sure. They don’t know that celerity exists, and you’ll have adrenaline rush on every add just naturally, you get to play optimally without a raid leader trolling his ass off, he thinks he’s hot shit for assigning cds, everyone wins

[winged basin]

Sounds like we have the same raid team they haven’t pulled that yet, but theyve done equally skulled stuff lol..

[clever kindle]

[wary ice]

your RL sitting there like we did it in 30 cause of my expert CD assignments

[clever kindle]

[wintry mica]

yea sounds like homie doesnt even know what vendetta does and trying to assign it lol

[balmy condor]

He’s too smart

Maybe bdgg would hire him for 21st man

[strange python]

This is why we ❤️ whispyr

[slow marsh]

egggggggsddeeeeeee

[wintry mica]

is there a way to add a note/tag to a single item in Simc? I was trying to sim the 15% agi vs 12% crit for myself but i cant tell which is which lmao

[balmy condor]

Cd analyst

[strange python]

He could prob raid lead for spk

[balmy condor]

Nop

I’m not sure why you’re adding it to items

[clever kindle]

What was tmseans guild they formed again

[balmy condor]

And not profiles

Because that seems really janky

But theres no way to label individual items

[wintry mica]

cause im a nub and just add gems=whatever stat lol

[woeful wigeon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2YXqVEFuMVQyUnPNYq1mQq

grr

with obedience cant deside what to upgrade to 262 now

[slow marsh]

im pretty sure 12% crit is way bigger than 15% agi with frost set btw

[wintry mica]

its not

[balmy condor]

[wintry mica]

the sim i just did is 100 dps difference

i just dont know which one is which lmao

[obtuse robin]

xdd

[oak sky]

Agi sounds way better

Lmak

[balmy condor]

Why do people keep thinking that

[wintry mica]

in theory they should be fairly close

[oak sky]

I mean not at all

[obtuse robin]

12 % crit is not gonna give u 1.2k dps

[oak sky]

Even if 1 point of crit= 1 point of agi

You start with like 2k agi and 1k crit

Or wait

Its crit chance huh

[clever kindle]

Main stat seems better I guess because you could overcap on crit with MA and people might assume its affected by DR

[oak sky]

But still

[wintry mica]

i have 1515 agi at 242 equipped which 15% gives you like 255 agi

[clever kindle]

Where main stat is main stat, dam is dam

[wintry mica]

or I guess it would be 227 agi

where as 12% crit is at least 400 crit rating

[balmy condor]

I mean you also have to realize that more crit makes crit worse

[wintry mica]

for sure

the difference for my sim assuming 400 crit rating vs 250 agi was only 100 dps

[balmy condor]

12% crit on 50% crit isn’t great compared to 12% crit on 25%

[spice spire]

But the mantra is just more crit

[wintry mica]

but my frost set numbers

I just wanted to point out that 12% crit is not trash like some people seem to think

[oak sky]

People said crit became close to agility, not greater

No of course it isnt trash

[clever kindle]

@balmy condor random question but do you know if sims account for oil crits for Frost set? I didnt see anything in the TC research for it except one thing mentioning they werent included when you guys were testing the bugged frost sim

[obtuse robin]

i saw ppl say lifestealer better then agi tho

[oak sky]

That power is really strong when you don't have a better option

[wintry mica]

but yea its not as good as acid gland or howler or huddled carvings or elethium weights

[clever kindle]

I was trying to analyze mine vs our other rogues logs since my Frost set bonus seems to be doing almost 50% more in some cases

[wintry mica]

and a few others

[tiny saddle]

yo that opener

solid

[balmy condor]

Id have to check, I assume they got added at some point

But it’s most likely very minor

[clever kindle]

Gotcha, was just curious if they were significant or not, the crits from oil are perfect for frost set because they come in at like 450-540 damage or so

[obtuse robin]

the best power on that fight no dps takes

twitsted what ever its called

[clever kindle]

So they're right under the limit per crit

[wintry mica]

isnt the limit per crit like a 3k plus crit?

since it only stores a percentage of each crits damage

[clever kindle]

I think its like 550 damage absorbed per crit but thats probably the non set bonus im thinking of

just the rank 5 gem by itself

[wintry mica]

are you talking about the defensive gem?

[obtuse robin]

540

[clever kindle]

No unless I just confused myself and blended information together

[wintry mica]

yea but 540 is 26% of the crit damage

so you need to crit for 2kish

which also isnt accurate because I dont think they ever updated the winds tooltip when they buffed

[clever kindle]

Ok no I was right its up to 540 you had me worried haha

But I see what you meant

[wintry mica]

oh so they did update the tooltip

cause now r5 is 26% of the crit damage

but the cap per crit is still only 540

[amber quail]

Fast question:do gems level encrease bonus set power?

[clever kindle]

This one is ripped from wowhead so not sure if its outdated, and yes but to the level of the lowest gem in the set

[wintry mica]

the lowest shard in the set determines the set level

so you need to upgrade them evenly

[clever kindle]

So if you have 2 rank 5s and 1 rank 1, your set is rank 1

[glass tulip]

I heard that frost set is most effective when you have 42% crit

[amber quail]

Ty a lot

[glass tulip]

is that true?

[wintry mica]

so on a random sim from what grim linked earlier, 15%agi was withing like 70 dps of 12% crit

frost set beats out unholy if you have the gear for it

theres no magic number of crit but general it seems you want like 40%+

[glass tulip]

but what is "the gear for it"

okay gotcha

[brazen zodiac]

good afternoon all! :D

[wintry mica]

[tiny saddle]

good afternoon

i hate sylvanas

[amber quail]

Where che i see the amount of set per level?just for curiosity.

[tiny saddle]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/shards-of-domination-set-bonuses-ranks-massive-bonuses-for-upgrading-three-323404

[woeful wigeon]

sended you a PM

[clever kindle]

Just gotta sim but somewhere in that range because after that you get diminishing returns

[rapid lance]

does ocular gland sim always above 50% health? I'm guessing it does

[clever kindle]

Ocular gland is sim bait for prog bosses but if you're that confident in your healers and yourself go for it

[rapid lance]

I thought so

[glass tulip]

Would you ever run ocular gland over something like phial/fusion amp?

[clever kindle]

Its probably perfectly fine on the first few bosses and probably not if both are 252

[glass tulip]

seems like a bad decision

[wintry mica]

Depends on ilvl and your other stats

[rapid lance]

funny you ask tha maverick because thats my exact position

[clever kindle]

But I assume most people will only have 1 of those two at 252 right now

[wintry mica]

252 ocular is basically even dps with 252 totem for me

[clever kindle]

I would use totem since it's not conditional

[wintry mica]

And worse than phial

[glass tulip]

I have a 246 phial / 239 fusion and I would never replace those for a 252 ocular. Especially for prog I think that's too dangerous

[rapid lance]

I've got 252 ocular, 246 phila, 239 fusion amp

[clever kindle]

well except where youre standing

Ocular is the same as the azerite power from 8.2 undulating tides or whatever

b a i t

[wintry mica]

But ocular will probably be better for people without 252 trinkets or if you are low on crit

[glass tulip]

a low crit rogue hurts my heart

[clever kindle]

Yeah but if you take unavoidable aoe then you just lose crit anyways lol

[glass tulip]

these are my stats to run frost

[wintry mica]

If an unavoidable aoe is dropping you below 50% you should probably be feinting so it doesn’t lol

[glass tulip]

good point

[wintry mica]

But feint doesn’t help you parse

[glass tulip]

feint is an underrated ability

[clever kindle]

At work still so had to grab from wow website but

[wary ice]

I cant think of a time i spent a large amount of time under 50% health even during prog fights that werent due to things that would otherwise cause a wipe

[clever kindle]

his is my stat setup

this*

[wintry mica]

Feint is actually busted even now that it has a CD

[wary ice]

if ocular is your best sim just send it

if youre spending alot of time sub 50, maybe dont

[glass tulip]

so true, basically taking no damage from big raid wide abilities

[balmy condor]

How much uptime do you think gland has on prog

[wary ice]

but honestly thats a failure elsewhere in the raid

[balmy condor]

Like a number

[wintry mica]

Yea If you are under 50 for very long it’s probably because you are wiping lol

[clever kindle]

Depends on the boss right

[balmy condor]

20%? 50%?

80%?

[glass tulip]

I would probably guess 80%+

unless your healers are undergeared

[clever kindle]

Like on eye its probably going to be pretty high, and I would think 75% on later bosses

[wintry mica]

I could pull up one of the crappy hunters in my guilds prog log and look

[balmy condor]

It’s about 85-90%

[clever kindle]

Most damage comes in bursts vs being oppressive right

[balmy condor]

On painsmith it can dip under 80%

But it’s usually over 80

[glass tulip]

based on bm its probably worth it to replace your 239* fusion? but I wouldn't do it myself

just for comfort

[clever kindle]

I was thinking Sylv uptime may suck as well

and guardian

[glass tulip]

Also hi whispyr

[wintry mica]

is there a way for someone to sim that, that isn't a huge pain in the ass?

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

[balmy condor]

Guardian is higher uptime

[plain jewel]

so sims tell me that a 233 sylv dagger is worse than a 239 in main hand. i already have a 233 dagger in OH. does that sound about right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[plain jewel]

ty ty always trust the sims i guess lol

[brazen zodiac]

good afternoon woospyr!

:D

[glass tulip]

its worse in a patchwerk sim because its benefit is the execute

[wintry mica]

the double sylv daggers may win with bs/ds but probably not

[glass tulip]

if you put it in a 90 second execute sim it will be higher overall I think

[wintry mica]

patchwerk sims include execute

[glass tulip]

oh it does? nice

[balmy condor]

Yes

Patchwerk is 100-0

[glass tulip]

I only replaced my 233 sylv with a 246 and Im still back and forth on it lol

[wintry mica]

daggers have been my worst luck

[glass tulip]

I've gotten way too many, come run a dungeon with me

[pale plank]

Don’t talk to me about daggers

[wary ice]

Agi daggers are statistically the hardest item to drop

[wintry mica]

ive only seen 1 drop since 9.1

[wary ice]

since they only drop on 2/3 the rogue table

[wintry mica]

i got a normal sylv dagger

[glass tulip]

I got 3 on day 1, im so sorry

[wintry mica]

and i got a heroic remnant out of my vault after like 5 weeks

[pale plank]

Bruh I am running LFR sylv daggers

[vocal stone]

Do i always line Flagellation and Vendetta?

[wintry mica]

when ur two lowest ilvl items are ur weps

[glass tulip]

it depends on if you will lose a usage or not. I typically do not but others may say differently

[limber lion]

No.

[wintry mica]

depends on fight length, generally you only delay to line things up if its the last time youll cast them that fight

[glass tulip]

In a fight like fatescribe I would line them up though. Not worth it to blow flag on the intermission adds

[balmy condor]

Why does that matter

[wintry mica]

he just means no one can trade but another rogue

[wary ice]

^ who are also looking for them

[wintry mica]

i think every other weapon type has at least 3 specs that use it?

[wary ice]

Iunno about all that

[balmy condor]

I mean okay

To trade, sure

[wary ice]

but agi daggers fill slower by virtue of only 2 specs using them 🤷

[balmy condor]

But their drop rate is the same

[wintry mica]

you still have the same chance of looting one though

[wary ice]

right

same drop rate

with lower # of rolls on that

== less likely comparatively

well

not likely

but

less of them*

[wintry mica]

true but it still has to drop for someone for it to be traded so i think it kind of evens out

[rapid lance]

so does the 85% uptime on ocular gland sim better than fusion amp or is there a way to sim that?

[fleet anchor]

There is an option yes, although 85% uptime seems pretty low

[wintry mica]

that was for prog

and I doubt it would outsim a same ilvl fusion amp regardless of uptime

[fleet anchor]

Even on Sylvanas I'm at 96% uptime across our prog pulls...

[vocal stone]

kk

[balmy condor]

I mean even on prog you would be higher

85-90% was very very conservative

[subtle gyro]

Am i understanding this correctly...i now need pants only for a frost spec to work, since the other socket bonuses were clanged on gloves and helms??

[fleet anchor]

95% uptime I think is a totally fair ballpark for the trinket

It will be that the vast majority of the time

Have looked at a lot of logs

[balmy condor]

If you already had the bonus, you still have it, it’s only for people who didn’t have the bonus

[subtle gyro]

i didnt have it yet, was looking for a sholders drop. Okies

[fleet anchor]

Random Sylvanas pull from our raid for reference

[balmy condor]

99.3%

[fleet anchor]

I mean realistically players don't really get below 50% or stay there all that much these days 😛

Especially when we have 40k absorb shields 🤣

Thanks Frost set

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean if there’s mechanics that bring you that low, it’s healer cds anyway to get you back up

Ashen + link doesn’t keep you under 50% for long

[fleet anchor]

Winds of Winter is hilarious sometimes

[wintry mica]

I need to find it in a log, but I was pugging KT and a dude got MCd so I swapped to bleed him and frost set insta procced for 50k and just killed him

[fleet anchor]

haha I would believe it

[obtuse robin]

is soulbind upgrade from toghast 1 in general or 1 per wing

[fleet anchor]

Frost set is just such a huge survivability increase

[balmy condor]

1 a week

[wintry mica]

yea r5 is like 1100 hps for me

[fleet anchor]

I'm finding I just don't even use Vial all that much anymore

Because Winds just absorbs everything I'd normally use Vial on haha

[wintry mica]

yea

[obtuse robin]

actual dps increase

[wintry mica]

we are probably the best class for using frostrime too

[balmy condor]

Are you not pickpocketing for your phial buffs?

[fleet anchor]

RIP

Someone should make a Reddit thread on that

[wintry mica]

i pickpocket for the glyph of disguse

[fleet anchor]

Add it to the 9.1.5 wishlist

ROGUES WERE PROMISED PICKPOCKETING IN BETA OMGOMGOMG

[wintry mica]

i think they said fuck pickpocketing after legion

[balmy condor]

Wasn’t it an alpha post

[wintry mica]

when you could pickpocket mythic boes from trash

[fleet anchor]

It was in the very first preview yeah

[balmy condor]

About what was coming

Well at least they told us that they changed their mind

[fleet anchor]

April 7, 2020 by Blizzard Entertainment

[balmy condor]

I mean to be fair, thematically it doesn’t make sense

What would we pickpocket? Soul cinder ash maw stygia anime force?

[fleet anchor]

Only would have made sense if it was just a perma thing imo

[wintry mica]

yea imagine having to run around and pickpocket a bunch of shit to prep for a raid

[balmy condor]

Or a thing like zandalari racial

[fleet anchor]

Like just some Rogue old-style poison crafting mechanic, craft a consumable item that swapped the "mode" of CV

Also I totally forgot about this

Shiv gets access to another an upgrade through Toxic Blade, reducing its cooldown to provide more frequent assaults of increased Nature damage.

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

I guess Alacrity ended up slightly better haha

[balmy condor]

Thank god for alacrity no

[wintry mica]

who coulda guessed perma 10% haste would be good

although i guess we didnt always use it right

[balmy condor]

Now we can tell people to shiv on cd every 25 seconds

Instead of toxic blade on cd every 15

[wintry mica]

but muh 3 envenoms

[fleet anchor]

Nobody would have guessed that

😄

[balmy condor]

If you aren’t getting 4 envenoms with 7+ cp into every shiv window don’t talk to me or my family ever again

[fleet anchor]

I'm out here making builds 3 years in advance baybee

ez game

[spice spire]

Every time whisp

[balmy condor]

if mutilate hits twice, and gives 2 cp, and crits give an extra cp

shouldn't a double crit mutilate give 2+1, and then the second hit also give 2+1

why aren't you guys just finishing

hello

[spice spire]

If I had a nickel

[pale plank]

God damn 4 envenom? I only see those on my lucky days

[thin gate]

guys rn im simming 10.367 with Eleborate + Vigor it says +174 DPS for blindside + Deeper Strategem but all top logs are going for Eleborate + vigor when i check em what should i go for?

[wintry mica]

ep/vig for everything but guardian

[thin gate]

ty @wintry mica

[fleet anchor]

Hey, the best thing about running Dashing+Conduit is like.. Envenom isn't even 50% of my poison damage anymore. Even less of a reason to care about TB sync 😛

[balmy condor]

that sounds like a frequently asked question. If only there were some area, or channel, with frequently asked question, in which such questions are frequently answered

[fleet anchor]

All hail DP

[wintry mica]

wound poison master race

[oak sky]

Do I need 70% crit to run dashing with frost set?

[balmy condor]

poison damage is the way it should be

[balmy condor]

90%+

[wintry mica]

we just need double dose back

[fleet anchor]

Everyone loves the Envenom crits and forgets about the 1000 Deadly Poison ticks/hits they get during the fight

[thin gate]

@Agreon wait u dont have 70% Crit yet, did u even play 9.1?

[silver osprey]

do u press mutilate on opener on 3 cp?

[balmy condor]

bigger number = more dopamine into my brain

[oak sky]

Wait but earlier you said crit gets less value when its higher, so wouldn't less crit actually do mor3 damage?

[balmy condor]

yes

[silver osprey]

i hate that

[wintry mica]

0% crit here i come

[silver osprey]

if feels like a waste with 50% crit buff

[fleet anchor]

Only if using Classic combat numbers though.

Retail combat numbers are suck

[thin gate]

@fleet anchor am i the only one just lookin @ the dot crits for the frost set? i feel like envenom isnt even that big of a deal atm

[wintry mica]

its not

[balmy condor]

I use msbt and made the crits 5x the normal font size

it's very important I see winds crits

[silver osprey]

i understand its not, but it just FEELS like it is :/

[wintry mica]

yo thats smart

[oak sky]

me rolling up to guild painsmith reclear

[thin gate]

@balmy condor 75K Crits feel good as a DOT Class

[wintry mica]

is there a way to make crits above a certain number look different?

[fleet anchor]

It's actually shocking to me in a way that Blizzard hasn't ported over the combat numbers from the Classic client now they have it resurrected into the current engine

Like

They are SO MUCH more satisfying

it's not even close

[balmy condor]

I would just turn them off anyway

why do I care bout a 20k evisc crit

[wintry mica]

yea half the time i miss my winds crit numbers with the default combat text

so many numbers popping up

[oak sky]

tbh

[balmy condor]

I'm not turning on my mic mid pull and going YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY EVISC JUST CRIT FOR 20K GUYS! GUYS MY EVISC HOLY IM HUGE

[oak sky]

if i could only see envenom

[balmy condor]

and then looking at the meters

[oak sky]

that would be

[balmy condor]

and seeing I'm fucking 9th

[oak sky]

lmao

[balmy condor]

like

why do I give a fuck

about winds crit

or evisc crit

[oak sky]

then you check boss damage after raid

🙂

[wintry mica]

big number go brrrr

[balmy condor]

it's like warlocks flexing their chaos bolt crits

yeah, we get it

your chaos bolt does damage

that's how your spec works

can you do more than 8k now

[thin gate]

dude

[fleet anchor]

I think honestly it's just a feel thing

[thin gate]

u killed all warlocks

LOL

[fleet anchor]

Like I'm playing Warlock on TBC right

And this is like the most satisfying feeling ever

https://streamable.com/0r8ct0