assassination

[drifting cloud]

bro your math sucks

[brazen zodiac]

check the hides for me rq plz

i mean im going off prices i saw 3-4 days ago

hence why i asked u to check

[drifting cloud]

the prices were the same 3days ago

[obtuse robin]

how much hide to u get

nvm 10

[brazen zodiac]

last i checked they were like 600 or 700

probs mustve been a week or two ago then

lmfao

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[brazen zodiac]

i peeped tht shit black

we all peeped it

<3

[obtuse robin]

it all depends

[brazen zodiac]

oh right

here u go

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9GTwdGRUpzvR3QwnSuZq85

im sure r4 upgrade is gonna be huge

[obtuse robin]

couple hours ago ore was 100g

[brazen zodiac]

and with dashing

[obtuse robin]

would be better then taking hide

but now hide is more

[drifting cloud]

and both have been better than crystals for atleast 2 weeks

because 2 weeks ago they buffed the droprate and price spiralled

[obtuse robin]

yea will stay down until 9.1.5

[limber lion]

I'm like 5 items away from having full bis gear.

dagger tomorrow from vault for sure.

[brazen zodiac]

congrats

[limber lion]

no congrats

just pain.

[brazen zodiac]

congrats on being a masochist

[limber lion]

we all know it's not gonna happen.

[brazen zodiac]

:D

[drifting cloud]

what if the bis list changes 1 item with the new dom sets cev

[wary pawn]

imagine having just one sylv dagger..

[drifting cloud]

oh I guess were lucky the fate helm is crit haste

[obtuse robin]

my sin looks at a 226 syl dagger and says gtfo while my outlaw says gimmie gimmie

pain allaround

[balmy condor]

what

[limber lion]

why does everyone think legs are getting a new slot

[drifting cloud]

leather legs from raid now give frost set

[limber lion]

Sure

[hollow river]

you wont beat kt shoulders tho

[balmy condor]

why would that change anything

[limber lion]

But KT shoulders are still 259

Even if they didn't do anything

[drifting cloud]

yeah

[limber lion]

they would be the best

[hollow river]

ain't nothin' changin'

🙃

[obtuse robin]

aint nothing changing cept this r5 frost in ur face

[hollow river]

just more casual-or less rng'd players will have their bonus.

[obtuse robin]

bam

[hollow river]

BAM

[drifting cloud]

if they had real shit stats it would have been close atleast

youd def think twice if they had 100 mastery!

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

thats assuming m+ drops some good stated which it probably doesnt

[brazen zodiac]

was tht @ me black or

[arctic walrus]

[drifting cloud]

youre a dh main now anyways

[limber lion]

[cobalt pelican]

i'm like 27 items away from full bis gear

i'll get them all in vault

my 1 key 10 heroic vault

[limber lion]

Easy

fo sho

[arctic walrus]

i'm in ion's dms rn configuring a way to make me get 3 bis in vault and be able to pick all 3

[hollow river]

if only

[obtuse robin]

i havent gotten a piece of loot from my mythic vault past the first 3 bosses

pain all around

[hollow river]

i just wanna stop doing 3-4+ hours of 15s for those 3 slots

give me phial and dagger and ill stop

[obtuse robin]

dam

[drifting cloud]

[limber lion]

sim check

[drifting cloud]

thats very toxic cev

[limber lion]

I mean last we checked

he was like 40 dps off or something

it's not like I'm soaring through the skies

[drifting cloud]

I doubt hes gotten any gear in the last 24h

[arctic walrus]

check back in your browser history from 2 weeks ago

it's the same.

[limber lion]

ouch

shit game.

[arctic walrus]

i replaced my gear

with your 1 oh dagger

and fusion amp

and i was 10 dps above u

[hollow river]

[arctic walrus]

but yeah def rn we down bad

[limber lion]

it's okay

you'll get a dagger from vault

[drifting cloud]

10 dps is it the racial

[limber lion]

then I'll be the one crying.

[limber lion]

I can feel it

[arctic walrus]

mage main

[limber lion]

[soft shale]

big neck

love it

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qwUsFBqijHWp7WsUqs2UTi seems super funny that obedience beats dashing, even tho its barely an increase. does this seem reasonable to you guys? :o

[slow marsh]

yeah

You have high haste gear so obed is gonna be better. if you swapped those with crit items dashing would likely pull ahead

obed is the closest setup to the dashing setup so its not suprising at all

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i top gear'd all my rings and it still shows the current 2 as the best so not sure how to get rid of more haste

3 dps isnt really a lot tho ig so probs have a lil leeway

[slow marsh]

Yeah its no biggie. You're fine

[brazen zodiac]

still weird seein people break 10k even before 244, even with my sim @ rank 4 rip

[slow marsh]

You could just play dashing unless you're in a fight where obed is better based on timings / downtime

[brazen zodiac]

hm i guess ill play around with both in heroic tmmorw

thx !

[drifting cloud]

well your mh is 239 and phial is 242

upgrading those 2 is easily over 100 dps

[brazen zodiac]

im not rly familiar with the timings on most fights. when would it be best to use obed in ur opinion?

yeah ima run a sim upgrading either or with valor next

[slow marsh]

Use it on aoe fights then

and just use flag on cd

[drifting cloud]

dont make a crit haste obed

when its margin error

thats dumb

[slow marsh]

i think he already has it

[brazen zodiac]

wheres whisyper to guide me >.<

[cobalt pelican]

'get better gear noob' - whispyr

[brazen zodiac]

fuck yo stats - whispyr

[slow marsh]

whisp is a sub boy now

[brazen zodiac]

nah i dont have it yet. was trying to figure out if i should get 262 of dashing or obi

[slow marsh]

are you asking which you should craft or which you should play

craft dashing

sry didn't realize that's what you were asking

[brazen zodiac]

i didnt realize what i should ask till i remembered the margin of error stuff

new to simming

new to wow XD

[slow marsh]

np

[brazen zodiac]

is it a good idea to kinda ignore sidegrade stuff or

[slow marsh]

kind of yeah. context matters though

[brazen zodiac]

would you reckon it matters in this case?

and may u explain what that "context" would be? :o

[obtuse robin]

ya keep asking why u cant break 10k like 3 times

ur daggers sucks 😄

[brazen zodiac]

u suck

.<

[limber lion]

Personal opinion;

[brazen zodiac]

i suck >:(

[limber lion]

Don't craft obedience

[obtuse robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4spJwWgKWYyrQfmsbwUaWv

[limber lion]

I don't see any use for obedience and have not once played it myself on any fight.

[brazen zodiac]

PFFT

WTF DID U JUST DO

[obtuse robin]

just one measly dagger dropo from mists and ur 10k boi

[brazen zodiac]

wait mists?

[limber lion]

Better to focus your efforts on upgrading your gear

[brazen zodiac]

can u check SD for me lold

[limber lion]

And widening the gap even more

[obtuse robin]

?

[brazen zodiac]

the dagger from SD

voracious

i thought it was better than my current

[limber lion]

Click the sim...

[obtuse robin]

its sims every dun

look at the sim

[brazen zodiac]

oh

[obtuse robin]

literally all u need is a 246 dagger

[brazen zodiac]

really weird cause ive ran this shit and it didnt show these kind of numbers lmfao

[limber lion]

You would be breaking 10k with bs/ds anyways

[brazen zodiac]

ig ill just upgrade my domina's with valor sometime tonight then

[obtuse robin]

wait u already got it

[brazen zodiac]

and open my vault to sylv dagger

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

lol

[obtuse robin]

bro get that shit lmao

[brazen zodiac]

ngl i thought i posted the sim that had the upgraded dagger already

but ig i inted myself

[obtuse robin]

at this poiunt

u just wait

for vaulty

unless ur a degen and raid this late

[brazen zodiac]

nah i did all that already

oh im guessing the weekly chest is just the vault shit?

saw u did +12 weekly i just simmed each one one by one on m+ 15 and planned to upgrade with valor lmfao

[obtuse robin]

yea its the same as 246 with valor

[brazen zodiac]

ahhh okay

boy do i feel silly >.<

[obtuse robin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/drLafnfMeQkMbAD1e6JsgM

this is ur stuff with 252 options

[limber lion]

[brazen zodiac]

:c

[obtuse robin]

simmed each one

15

lawd 1/2 mercy

[limber lion]

Here's your current gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dz2pPbVpVC2ZsenRMLoiDG

Dashing pulls ahead.

As expected.

[brazen zodiac]

bouta drop that fat 5 dollars a month for that premium

weird i guess im just simming it wrong as fuck in top gear

[obtuse robin]

does free not have droptimizer?

[limber lion]

No.

[brazen zodiac]

it does but you gotta do it one by one

[obtuse robin]

oh

[limber lion]

It's awful.

Would highly recommend a premium sub.

[brazen zodiac]

tbh it sucks being capped on the amount of stuff u can sim

[obtuse robin]

i have the max one

[brazen zodiac]

i find myself resimming same stuff cause i accidently closed the wrong tab or somethin and lost report or some stupid shit

[obtuse robin]

hundo p worth

[brazen zodiac]

how much is it

[obtuse robin]

10 bucks

for 16m itirations

[limber lion]

You know there's a history

Of your sims

[obtuse robin]

oh nooooooo

[brazen zodiac]

i never made an account

[obtuse robin]

lmao

[brazen zodiac]

so it doesnt save

[obtuse robin]

ur trolling

[brazen zodiac]

and for some reason my history clears the actual report

yeah i absoutely am

.<

[limber lion]

[brazen zodiac]

PPPFFFTTTT.

im going for a walk

[obtuse robin]

my lord

[brazen zodiac]

thats a lie but im shedding a tear rn ngl

[obtuse robin]

god bless

[brazen zodiac]

its ok god will bless me with sylv dagger or some 252 op trinket

[obtuse robin]

dear overlords take care of this young one

[brazen zodiac]

spare me for i am an innocent child

game's too hard

[obtuse robin]

ur guild is prolly in whispers saying wtf is this guy doing

lmao

[brazen zodiac]

well i still pump and im funny as fuck so it works

im trying my best here sir

my brain is not built like u or cev it is built like the goblin i play

[obtuse robin]

playing goblin instead of orc

[brazen zodiac]

dude

[obtuse robin]

pain all around

[brazen zodiac]

i didnt know that there were racial and stuff that do different shit when i made a goblin

i just looked at the goblin said thats based and rolled with it

jocket jumps p fun tho ngl

[obtuse robin]

tauren rogue when

[brazen zodiac]

orc sounds funny

now that blizzard said itd be easier to level alts + the changes to anima probs gonna make one next

[obtuse robin]

kinda salivating for that r5 frost 2marow

[brazen zodiac]

thatll be me in 2-3 more weeks >.<

[obtuse robin]

yea nice r5 dyz

[brazen zodiac]

pog!

wait

im being pranked arent i i truly cannot tell anymore

[obtuse robin]

lmao

i peeped that r5 dyz in ur chest

[brazen zodiac]

dude >>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<

[obtuse robin]

f

[brazen zodiac]

DUDE

f

game's hard id

k

it makes me feel btter tho to see that domina's straight up kinda better. fuckin i ran like 30 sds for voracious then resimmed with my nerzul dagger and it basically told me i trolled myself c:

[obtuse robin]

xddddd

[brazen zodiac]

least i got my 10 15s in for the week :c

gave me some time for some rimworld f

[cerulean burrow]

hey whats the best talents to pick for cleave as assa ?

for liek 2 to 3 targets

like*

[obsidian socket]

ep vig poision bombo

[cerulean burrow]

and if im doing the dashing scoundral frost shard build do i use scoundrel leggo for cleave or doom blade?

ok cool thanks

sorry worded that wrong

[nocturne geode]

scoun/flag

[cerulean burrow]

for cleave do i use dashing scroundrel or dom blade

okay

ty

also one more question

i already started investing into uh unholy shards

for that build does it have to be frost ?

or woudl i be okay continuing to invest in unholy ?

[obsidian socket]

yeh frost dashing nbetter

[cerulean burrow]

okay got it also what percentage do i want my haste crit at ideally ?

[cobalt pelican]

there's an faq channel bud

[cerulean burrow]

ohhh ok

thakns

hey so i guess im confused ive been told to use poison bomb for cleave on 2 plus targets and ive read to use crimson temptest on two plus targets so for example on the nine what woudl be the ideal one to use ?

andi coudl not find an asnwer to that in faq

[cobalt pelican]

the nine is 80% single target

but if a fight was pure 2t you would play crimson tempest yes

[cerulean burrow]

got it

thank you

soo anyone trying to cleave on both at the start basically should not be

?

[last stirrup]

Cleave ofc but not w CT :d

[gusty mirage]

You just maintain bleeds on both

That’s our cleave

[cerulean burrow]

got it

this also is not in FAQ....

just curious if anyone else uses ELVUI and if so what debuff filters woudl be the best on enemy npc nameplates im guessing rupture garrot and crimson tempest is it really neccisairy for me to have a filter for poisons too or nah ?

and is there any passives that are important that i shoudl have pop up int he middle of the screen using weakauras?

[wintry mica]

For weakauras I would just get a pack like afenars or something

You may want poisons to show up. You need to keep poison and bleeds on any cleave target

[cerulean burrow]

afenars ok

[last stirrup]

I just show posions, garrote, rupture and CT + a weakaura pack like @wintry mica said above

[wintry mica]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[cerulean burrow]

thanks 😄

[tender ibex]

Should I be Shiving on CD even if i will overcap combo points?

[last stirrup]

ye

[wintry mica]

Think of shiv more as an uptime buff than anything else

You should almost never delay it

[tender ibex]

Yeah I figured

Should I be delaying vanish for Shivs?

[wintry mica]

I think you should, you want that vendetta,shiv,vanish stacked. But I’m not 100% sure if that is always optimal.

I never notice them being desyncd by too much

You can usually just pop vendetta and then whenever shiv is back up do shiv->vanish

[spice spire]

No you should not

[fathom flax]

What's the vote this 1 trick wants to diversify

262 Finality or 262 Celerity

orrrrrrrrrrr 262 Zoldycks and just keep 1 tricking ass

[tacit wedge]

Celerity

[spice spire]

262 obedience

[fathom flax]

I have a 235 Obed and I just dont like it

[spice spire]

It’s good for all 3 though 😛

[fathom flax]

:<

[prisma cypress]

how much higher does zoldyck sim than obedience for you?

[fathom flax]

hng

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9RpTJ7Y1AWNpYnudmG9XXG

a lil bit

I have a 252 ring of perpetual conflict, crit/mast which i didnt put in but yolo

I have 3k cinders and 7k ash ill just wait til im motivated to choose one

[brazen zodiac]

3k cinders

wozers

[obtuse robin]

gamer

[echo geyser]

@hollow escarp actually swapping on heirmir isnt even that bad its just 1 conduit

from outlaw to sin

[hollow escarp]

yeah, costs just one energy

I just have outlaw on emeni because I'm lazy and only doing low keys

[slow marsh]

isn't marileth better for outlaw tho

[hollow escarp]

no clue, I slammed some assa conduits there to do some keys last week when Kevin was buffed

so it's still an assa soulbind for me

[granite scaffold]

Why do I see blindside being recommended

What interaction am I missing from ambush

[echo geyser]

pure aoe but lose st so seems ppl opt for heirmir

[radiant dirge]

239 Amplifier or 252 ocular for ST.

[gloomy knoll]

sim dat shit cuh

[toxic quail]

When I sim myself it says Ocular is better but I prefer Amp.

[gloomy knoll]

if you don't care about doing less dam play amp then

not the end of the world

[balmy condor]

?

[winter moss]

[prisma cypress]

the free damage and combo points, i guess

[balmy condor]

Is that an interaction

[dense hamlet]

yeah u press it it does something

[balmy condor]

Sounds sick

[dense hamlet]

ikr

[hollow river]

bout try try a sin key for the first time all season

wish me luck boys

[vagrant mauve]

@hollow river good luck gamer

[hollow river]

dashing key gamer

11k boss dam? where?

[indigo mulch]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

[indigo mulch]

kekw

I'm so sad, i still no head from fate, daggers from sylv or shoulders from KT. :/

[shadow tusk]

Based moroes doesnt follow meta

[balmy condor]

Moroes needs some tender love

[idle shard]

outside of shards, are weapons the most important pieces for a dps increase?

[balmy condor]

He’s too shy (or broken) to follow meta

[balmy condor]

Yeh

If you’re looking at individual slots I guess

[idle shard]

I see, Im still rocking 220s lmao

yeah

[shadow tusk]

MH dps huge

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Offhand is less important

[idle shard]

btw whispyr, as a necro assa u dump SBS charges during gemstones windows but, at the opener u wait to dump the charges and then u pop vendetta?

[balmy condor]

You pop them during vendetta, during gemstone

You should naturally have a window where you dump

[idle shard]

oh alright, was wondering if dumping during vendetta was wrong

lol

[balmy condor]

Vendetta + gemstones is the dream

But it doesn’t quite line up every time

[idle shard]

yeah no lol

btw, idk how to sim it but

is it better to have the sudden fractures enhanced over

wps?

[balmy condor]

Go to top gear, select some conduits, it’ll auto-pick which one to enhance

[idle shard]

oh then yeah its better lol

i havent simmed maim mangle tho I do use doomblade

[brazen zodiac]

i hope u all have a good night and a blessed vault!

[balmy condor]

!mute @strange python

[brazen zodiac]

lmfao

[idle shard]

xD

[balmy condor]

Mother fucker

Now I gotta go clean up all the channels

[brazen zodiac]

good luck queen

bless ur services

[drifting cloud]

doesnt it delete msgs if you ban

[brazen zodiac]

yeah it does

you gotta select it manually tho or some bs like tht

[idle shard]

lmao that link "discod"

[balmy condor]

Let me ban then

[drifting cloud]

hmm I thought fg did it last time

does he have more power than you with same color?

maybe it was an orange

[balmy condor]

Fg cant ban either

Greenies just send the mute and clean it up

Oranges bring the hammer

[hollow river]

im only 9 PFs in and im tired of PF

[balmy condor]

Stay strong king

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

It’ll drop

[hollow river]

pugging pf is just ass

lmao

[sonic schooner]

I'm only 59 PF and still no drops neither the ring or the phial

😔

[hollow river]

i got the ring

[brazen zodiac]

I didn't realize that was a go-to ring qq

Gave it away a few days ago >.<

[hollow river]

that and top crit haste ring

unless u got M sylv

[hollow river]

ouch

[brazen zodiac]

I'm using the ring from the nine that has a socket and uhhh the Blood signet

I'm p sure that is the ring from top no?

I can't remember lmfao

[hollow river]

yeah

[brazen zodiac]

I can't wait to wake up in 6 and a half hours to pug heroic

Sylv lovely lady gonna give me my dagger

[hollow river]

252 dagger/252phial/another edge of night

[sonic schooner]

[hollow river]

any of these will make me happy in my toybox

[balmy condor]

Eye dom chest, sylv dagger, 252 dagger, 252 phial

Would make me happy

Oh or a 252 crit mast ring

[hollow river]

crit mas? o.O

[balmy condor]

Yeh

For my sub m+

Since I don’t sin m+

Although crit mast would be pretty good for sin too

[zinc frost]

Also good for sin m+ , I rock that ring

[hollow river]

true true

i've been trying outlaw in keys

running sub in SD, halls, DoS etc

[dense hamlet]

how do u play with mfd/subt

do u just put up ruptures with mfd

[balmy condor]

Yeh you just finish like normal

Mfd is just giga fok/mut

[dense hamlet]

what if u dont have slice from like prev packs

thenu mfd slice

[balmy condor]

Yep

[dense hamlet]

kk

ty

[tawny hearth]

How do you go about using Shiv in fights where you have more than one mob/boss? Do you refresh your dots early before going into Shiv window, or do you just refresh the dots on the off targets during shiv? Which sounds like a dps loss or?

[hollow river]

just refresh during shiv

if you have to

[drowsy hollow]

I didn't play any alts this week. Sad times, no caches to open

[pseudo hamlet]

M+ question about Shiv window usage:
When do we stop using Envenom during the Shiv window? I mean - how many mobs/adds?

When we're facing 2-3 opponents, and they're all "bleeded" with Garrote/Rupture/CT it's good to use Envenom during the shiv. But what if we're facing more of them?

[fallen arch]

There’s also a prio target probably

[zinc frost]

^

[fallen arch]

Slam envenoms into that one during shiv

[iron orchid]

well at two targets it's technically already better to refresh CT over applying an envenom during shiv : One additional target is a 100% damage upgrade for CT where shiv is a 30% upgrade at best for envenom

[pseudo hamlet]

So... Envenom if there's a prio target, and CT if there aren't(and we're facing 2 or more opponents).
Thanks guys

[sonic schooner]

dont spam CT at all tho, keep your bleeds up and use envenom if all your target have bleeds on OR if snd is about to fall

i d say

[bleak sky]

think about "would I spam rupture on the same target?"

same thing applies to ct

[thin imp]

do we have the screenshot with the difference in dps regarding frost / unholy / blood? I renember seeing it

[bleak sky]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMXg8KjFMLnqcu9irkBXeLDhELg2wNtG9bteEV5BsZ0/edit#gid=580596424

[thin imp]

thanks!

[quasi venture]

Now when legs is a activator for 1 frost gem does that mean the rank is defined on 2 gems and not 3?

[fervent rune]

I’m usually very good when it comes to mechanics in raid and most of the time get stuck doing them because I don’t mess them up. I have been struggling shadowstepping back to platform on remenant malevolence. Think I went 1/7. Any protips that I’m missing or just time it better

[thin imp]

no, you still need 3 sockets of domination but you can have equipped legs and no shoulders, this change is only useful is you were still missing your activating piece

before -> head + legs + gloves + chest + 3 frosts = no bonus (missing shoulder which is the activator)
now -> head +legs + gloves + chest + 3 frost = bonus (no need for shoulder)

[thin imp]

just shadowstep the boss, if you have the WA you should know when the mass dispel is coming, if not just stand with the rest of the group just behind the people with malevolence

(dont use shadowstep on the boss while blue rain, safer just to run back to it)

[potent dagger]

i wonder if we can have two bonuses at the same time , since we can have 6 socket of dom equiped

[thin imp]

This was already tried using cloth slots and you can't have two active at the same time

[spice spire]

We can only have 5 within leather

[fervent rune]

Sorry I wasn’t clear I meant on mythic where I have to go far and get knocked off then need to shadow step back

[slim pebble]

Happy 252 phial day 😁

[arctic hare]

lol, trueeeee

I’m mostly hopin for a dagger tbh

[strange python]

Yeah I could use a dagger

I think I have a 246 and a 226 lol

[arctic hare]

Yeahhhh

I have a 226 and a 220

[strange python]

I mean I wanted the shoulders for so long for frost bonus but that got old

and i have 252 pants

so - i'm just using unholy - i dont care at this point

[arctic hare]

I’m going to start investing all of my valor into one of the extra daggers I have

To at least eventually get a 246 mh or hopefully it’ll be an oh

[clever kindle]

I have a 242 and 233 and still pulled a few orange parses daggers are a crutch

[strange python]

jeez

but you have frost bonus

obv

[clever kindle]

[arctic hare]

lol, i can get the frost bonus now, but its simply not better than my unholy set atm

[strange python]

I mean when you're missing both, and ilvl is only 239 - blue parses are your friend. I get purple on some for ilvl though.

My hunter has like three orange parses...but god is it boring

[arctic hare]

lol

[strange python]

like honestly - i'd rather parse 70's on a rogue and have fun than 90's on a hunter and feel like i didn't do anything honestly

[clever kindle]

weve only killed 4 mythic bosses but we're a 2 day guild it normally takes us a bit to work through the raid

[gusty mirage]

Ngl that sounds right up my alley right about now

[arctic hare]

lol

[strange python]

we've jsut been farming M tarra -- i mean - we tried the eye but we tried that "commit strat" and we couldn't kill it.

so we went back to getting everyone their dom bonuses

[arctic hare]

Makes sense

[spice spire]

Which is now no longer as taxing

[arctic hare]

Still irritated that I got my last frost shard the second time I killed sylvanus

[strange python]

and now our RL put out a big message about parses and stuff...and how everyone is going to be re-evaluated based on that night's performance.

[gusty mirage]

[strange python]

See how many people help on fate - or run traps now - bosses that were on farm, now people are going to be trying to parse on.

[arctic hare]

Thats idiotic

[strange python]

i agree

or yelling at tanks, etc.

lol

[gusty mirage]

Interesting method of RLing

[arctic hare]

Parsing is only dps as far as I know

[gusty mirage]

Yell at people for doing mechanics and not enough pew pew

[arctic hare]

lol

[strange python]

meh...i mean i've raided with groups that are like 5/10M, 7/10M -- it's a different world. That's not my current guild.

THey need to decide what they are you know - and treat people accordingly.

[gusty mirage]

My current RL is chill af about parses and it’s dope, he doesn’t give a shit about parses

[spice spire]

That’s a shit system akks. Especially in heroic

[arctic hare]

Sameeeee here

[spice spire]

It’s just a mechanics check

[strange python]

yeah - i mean i'm weird though, i'll run heroic every night of the week to try to get my parses up, i dont care.

it's fun to me

[subtle tundra]

my rl doesnt give a fuck about parses but other people in the guild care

and this raid has so many dps stops, AGAIN

[strange python]

it really does

[gusty mirage]

When I trialed I told him my parses were kinda doo doo and he goes “damage is whatever, group comp and kill times factor in way too much to evaluate on that shit”

[alpine garden]

Everyone knows that all bosses are just dps checks

[subtle tundra]

like pushing p1 sylvanas too soon

[spice spire]

I did checks notes 5/6 runes last night and was still top damage on fatescribe

[alpine garden]

Mechanics can be largely ignored

[spice spire]

Like you just gotta do mechanics

[gusty mirage]

I pray that I get runes every time on fate when we get there

[subtle tundra]

we call stop on sylvanas at like 85.5%

[gusty mirage]

I just want to kill shit

[subtle tundra]

and it still gets pushed sometimes

[strange python]

lol - dude i remember the week i got like 3-4 bombs on fate and ran every rune haha

i think i parsed an 18

[spice spire]

Only way it goes down is if I yell “I got x link”

[strange python]

not to mention - i mean if your RL is soaking thoe adds

[spice spire]

It was ten minutes of pain

[strange python]

or whatever - you're just NOT gonna parse period.

[slim pebble]

I’m hoping for a Sylv dagger so I can stop pugging kills

[strange python]

i've given up on getting the bow on my hunter.

[limber lion]

KT is pain

[gusty mirage]

I’ve heard KT mythic is actually awful

[limber lion]

We still do the mega slowstrat

[gusty mirage]

Just boring

[limber lion]

Literal 40s of waiting every single phase

Fun.

[spice spire]

[strange python]

I mean -- M KT gear is worth it to me lol

I'm only 1/10M so

[gusty mirage]

Nothing like the stop dps boss design

[spice spire]

Based

[gusty mirage]

Let’s punish people for getting better gear

Just beautiful design

[strange python]

we just do the Unstable Form thing every week - our realm has pugs like every day at least

[arctic hare]

lol

Are you ragnaros?

[spice spire]

The grue?

[strange python]

lol no

[spice spire]

Let’s go

[strange python]

mal'ganis

bruh - do i sound like i'm on ragnaros

[spice spire]

Yeah mal’ganis definitely pugs it every day

Our boy muffpapi a pug lord

[gusty mirage]

Mal’Ganis imagine sharing a server with makeitquake

[strange python]

i dont even know what that is lol

I mean I started my wow career on Kel'Thuzad - as horde - back in like 2005 or 6 lol

got pretty good at pvp hah

[spice spire]

Imagine referring to me as a point of reference when foreverman is on there

[gusty mirage]

Maybe it’s because you matter to me

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

But for real though, switch Venthyr already you heathen

[strange python]

orc or belf

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

No

[strange python]

i'm changing today

[spice spire]

Belf

Better mog better dam

[strange python]

and go female right haha

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Ye

Goat move tbh

[spice spire]

Even in 9.1.5 I won’t swap out of spite

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Nah I probably will

[cloud reef]

What are you waiting for? Cd's to line up with the next phase?

[gusty mirage]

This is why we’re friends. I respect that level of pettiness

[spice spire]

Only reason I’ll swap is for m+ need

[gusty mirage]

You saw the sub aoe light huh

[spice spire]

Nah meant the bonus 😛

Our final person we run with is either a NL monk or V DK.

So I can swap accordingly

[gusty mirage]

Go NF

Fuck it

[spice spire]

True

Stay true to my roots

[gusty mirage]

Korayn is still pretty good for m+ I think?

[fallen arch]

My current comp has no NF

They asked me to consider it

[spice spire]

We didn’t have one

And then the ele swapped

[fallen arch]

[gusty mirage]

We don’t have a kyrian right now

[fallen arch]

We have 3 😂

[arctic hare]

I do wanna try to do night fae, just to screw around and promptly regret it

[gusty mirage]

Everyone I play with is venthyr and it’s making me mad

Or fae

[fallen arch]

We actually timed a 21 Mists this week without NF

And 2 wipes

[arctic hare]

Thats pretty noice

[fallen arch]

Don’t ask me how

[arctic hare]

I’m askin lol

[gusty mirage]

Cuz you’re a pumper. No explanation needed

[fallen arch]

The brew pulled the entire last area into boss

It was mad

Should have recorded

[arctic hare]

Wait, the entire?

[gusty mirage]

No place to stand plus spiteful

Spicy

[fallen arch]

Like 5 packs?

[arctic hare]

Ew

Spiteful is terrible

[fallen arch]

Ye spiteful got really intersting

Also our venthyr pala is nuts

[arctic hare]

Well, less terrible and more painful

[fallen arch]

Idk how he managed to pull us through

[arctic hare]

Did you not just dps?

God I still hate mists simply cause of the maze

[fallen arch]

Well I’m a rogue, its not like I can heal

[arctic hare]

Good point

[fallen arch]

Get a good wa

[arctic hare]

Oh?

[fallen arch]

There’s WA’s doing it for you

[arctic hare]

I have an addon for it, still got no idea what to do with it, I’ll have to look up that wa when I get home

Rather, I can’t use it fast enough to be effective

[fallen arch]

Theres wa’s just giving you an arrow

‘Go that way’

[arctic hare]

Really?

God that seems niceee

[fallen arch]

Usually at least 1 person in a pug has it

[arctic hare]

I couldn’t time a friggin 16 cause of it

[fallen arch]

The first 2 you can follow the butterfly

The rest the WA does for you

[arctic hare]

Yeah, thats pretty useful

Guess I’ll try it out next time I go to a mists

If I would’ve timed that 16 my io would’ve gotten a healthy increase

Even overtiming it gave me 20 score, which also means that I’m finally 1600 io

[alpine garden]

It helps if you throw a marker on her

[limber lion]

To have cds for remnant, healing cds for spikes etc

There's nothing really happening during that 40s

So it'a fine to wait

Except that it sucks.

[alpine garden]

Was watching Sco a bit last night and saw you were in raid Cev, how was it?

[spice spire]

Cev is always in raid now

[gusty mirage]

He was in a dungeon the other day too

[limber lion]

Went pretty well, KT and Sylv were a bit of a struggle but everything else was super smooth.

[alpine latch]

This might have been discussed earlier... But will legs from raid change up our gearing process at all?

[narrow ravine]

wut?

[alpine latch]

Or does it just give us more flexibility in which piece we can supplement with m+ gear?

[spice spire]

Just gives us more flexibility iirc

[lost wharf]

We don't get an extra socket. So unless you don't have a particular piece to get your set bonus it won't change it.

[alpine latch]

Well, we get a 6th item that can have a socket. We can still only wear 5

[lost wharf]

The legs won't have a socket. It just gives you the set bonus if you have a socket in the 3 pieces

[alpine latch]

Ohhh

Fuck

I misread that, okay

[narrow ravine]

I think the legs just are a second slot that could give the bonus

[visual prairie]

so overcomplicated and i recrafted legendaries onto legs on other toons

[spark salmon]

Is Venthyr for M+ better than necro ? Im gonna switch from sub to assa

[visual prairie]

they should have just made it, if you have 3 gems of the same color socketed, you get the bonus

[gusty mirage]

Blizz also wrote it kinda shit tbh. So it’s not entirely on you

[limber lion]

Necro is better in m+ for assa.

[spark salmon]

Okay sensei

And which legi when i cant use obedience anymore ^^

[gusty mirage]

For m+? Zoldyk

[spark salmon]

Still the best one ? Some players use necro legi is there a big differents between them ?

[alpine latch]

I don’t mind taking the blame. I’m only half awake so my reading comprehension is shit right now.

[limber lion]

Always Zoldyck.

Deathspike is bad.

[spark salmon]

Kk and for raid content im gonna use doomblade ?

[limber lion]

Doomblade or Dashing.

Sim yourself.

[north basin]

so with recent dom socket changes we can have another crit-haste gearpiece in our set?

[spark salmon]

Okay chef big thanks for your help

[limber lion]

Sure, you can switch out your gloves for example.

Jk, don't do that.

Gearing doesn't really change.

[forest junco]

If higher lvl Lashing Scars drops from Denathrius, then how am I supposed to get it now that it's not current content?

[ebon tundra]

Conduit upgrade items, just looting in korthia drops loads of them up to 226

then adamant vaults

for higher after

[forest junco]

Korthia looting? do you mean the item that upgrades a random one by 1 lvl ?

[ebon tundra]

yeah

[forest junco]

So if you leveled the char this patch like me, you are fucked by rng.

Incredible design

Thanks for the answer tho

[ebon tundra]

Hey, I agree 😂

and np

[ruby oyster]

korthia drops upgrades by a ton untill you have all at 226

[alpine latch]

Do we know the range on Winds of Winter?

[ruby oyster]

its not THAT bad

[alpine latch]

1 rank, yes. It's the exact same thing as the old system you bought from Venari. Unless you were a CE raider, that was literally your only option. IE, it was the only option for the majority of players in the game.

[forest junco]

I haven't had that many drop until now and I also wasted one because I thought it would let me pick

It gave me a green unlearned conduit instead

145 ilvl

What do they even drop from? I have no idea.

Just Rares ?

[alpine latch]

Rares, treasures, nests.. Literally anything

[ebon tundra]

Little tip, dont use any of the 252 conduit upgrades till you have the others maxed at 226, THAT is a complete waste as they are alot rarier

[alpine latch]

^

[forest junco]

Yeah yeah that much i learned after failing with the cheaper ones

[alpine latch]

You didn't fail

It'll take you a few weeks to get them all to 226. It's not that big of a deal.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NP5F1A9-W_TwoEekrkkmB2zF1m53wrOTw0vbv5Krov4/edit?usp=sharing

[forest junco]

only a few weeks 😆

[alpine latch]

I made this a few weeks ago

I have two rogues, hence two rogue tabs

Copy it to your Google Drive, update the levels, and start grinding.

It's a 4-5 week process for you to get Tier 6 of the Archivist rep

2-3 weeks to get 226 is fucking nothing

Just stock up all of the Death-Bound Shards you can get from Adamant Vaults (1 a week) and then you'll be buying the rest once you get to Tier 6

I also didn't add the 226 that drops from m+

So there are more sources of the drops than just what I listed. I only listed them from the current raid

[forest junco]

I guess. Flagellation doesn't drop from M+ though i think. 🤔

[alpine latch]

None of the covenant ones drop anywhere

You can only get the upgrades from caches from the calling and paragon caches

[forest junco]

Thanks for all the info. I know what i have to do now

[alpine latch]

Make sure you're killing Tarragrue on Heroic every week, and if posisble, Mythic.

Because Well Placed Steel is our best overall conduit

[visual prairie]

having the conduit is more important than the conduit level. like when we upgraded the first row of our soulbind and got a boosted conduit by 2 levels, it was like a 20 dps increase

[forest junco]

Hah, I've only done LFR so far. Guild is dead dropped to 0 players from ~30 and less than 5 ppl came back for 9.1. I'm probably gonna do Normal if i can start getting invites once my ilvl is about 250 and maybe 1 HC carry from friends at the end of the patch.

[alpine latch]

250?

My 10/10H 1/10M rogue is like ... 242

[forest junco]

It was an exaggeration but I won't get invites with no rio kills if i'm not extremely overgeared. Im getting there though.
But anyway, we're going off topic.

Thanks for all the info i gtg now. See you all later. Have a nice day

[woven hound]

Lol we have fun around here don't we?

[fallen arch]

Which paragon caches?

[alpine latch]

You can get conduit upgrades from Paragon Caches. IE, if you get a Paragon cache from Bastion, you have a chance to upgrade the Kyrian conduit.

There's still a max level to it

You can't get to 252, that I'm aware of

[fallen arch]

Ah right

Thats prob why I’ve never seen em then

[alpine latch]

It's not a great chance, but there's a chance

Similarly, my Warlock had an upgraded Bell that was higher than you could get from the table and WQs because I looted it from a paragon cache

[fallen arch]

Its nice as extra catch up for conduits

[alpine latch]

The gear from them bumps up like 3 item levels or something. Extremely minor.

I'm working on my second character of Korthia now. I have no sympathy .. lol

[fallen arch]

It’s terrible yes

But it’s not like you have to do it

[alpine latch]

Honestly, it gives me something to do. I'm going to be watching Twitch/YouTube/Netflix anyway...

[rocky pecan]

Wps isn't more good than maim for me

[alpine latch]

My two best are Flag/WPS

I think it's pretty close though

[rocky pecan]

Dépend legendary you play with probably

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I'm just rocking Obe.

[rocky pecan]

Doom maim is prolly better dashing /obe prolly wps

[alpine latch]

Doomblade is only 26 DPS higher and I can't justify running Torghast 6 times for less than 30 DPS

[rocky pecan]

Well dashing for me is 17 dps increase so

With 44% crit

[arctic hare]

I’m sorry, THATS A THING?

Heck yeah!

[alpine latch]

It is but it's not reliably farmable

[arctic hare]

It gives me another chance to get lashing scars

Still have it at 200 atm

[rocky pecan]

Lashing?

Just do de a?

Denathrius

[arctic hare]

Ew

I’d have to do it on at least heroic and mythic to get anything out of it, not very worth it rn

I’ll stick to conduit upgrading thingies from korthia

[alpine latch]

Yeah, it's not too bad getting them from Korthia. I get Korthia about 85% done in ~35-45 minutes

[arctic hare]

I just hate farming endlessly for a conduit upgrade that ends up an upgrade to an endurance conduit that I’ll never use

[agile geode]

new bis slot for leggos incoming

[fallen arch]

?

[amber mountain]

because of the raid pants? There's no socket in them

[limber lion]

Nothing is changing gear wise.

It is a really weird, QoL change.

Nothing else.

[amber mountain]

Yep

For people having trouble getting the piece with their set bonus, there's a new piece, without a socket, that grants the set bonuses

It's kind of a weird QoL change in that if your leggo is in the leg slot, you need to make a choice if you need the set bonus and the legs present themselves and the desired set piece doesn't

[gusty mirage]

Sounds like a not rogue problem

[amber mountain]

exactly

unless you're running Zold in raids for some weird reason...

[bleak sky]

vaults

def not garbage for the 3rd week in a row

[amber mountain]

I think maintenance runs long today, til 10AM PST/1PM EST

[agile geode]

nothing is going to change?

[amber mountain]

it shouldn't

[limber lion]

Nothing changes for us.

[amber mountain]

Dashing, Doomblade, and Obedience are all best on cloak

Zold goes on legs, but you really should have a different legendary for raid, and the SoD pants don't offer bonuses outside of raid/torghast/maw so there's no conflict if you're using Zold in M+ etc.

[agile geode]

ah ok thanks

🙂

[amber mountain]

np

There are definitely classes/specs that are being put in a position to need a hard choice. We're just not one of them 🙂

[bleak sky]

obedience for everything

[subtle tundra]

🙏 amen, this is the way

[amber mountain]

I'm still necro 😛 So... no 😛

[subtle tundra]

this is not the way

[amber mountain]

When it's easier to flip back and forth between covenants, I'll pick up my venthyr (which is all level 3 upgraded and up to renown 40). But for now, I actually focus more on M+ and find SBS delivers

[gusty mirage]

A fellow rogue of culture I see

[alpine latch]

I use Obe for everything as well. I'm not very interested in pushing m+ and Obe is more than strong enough for KSM

[winter gale]

Hello guys. If I get back to the game now, how long it will take me to be up to date? I left the game on 3rd week of 9.1. and I can reclear HC with my guild*

[soft shale]

around 1 month more or less

because of how embers works

unless you already have rank 3-4 of one set

then a little bit less

[winter gale]

Uf, alot.

[slim jay]

if you have a guild helping you get gear then not that long

just be lucky and get all your dom sockets

[safe turtle]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[rain sleet]

do I need the poison legendary for frost set to be good?

or can I start using frost before I get it

[arctic hare]

Sim yourself

[gentle jewel]

with the change to legs its going to be possible to run double dom set bonus? sorry if this was asked already 😦

[alpine latch]

no

They aren't getting a socket

It's literally the dumbest hotfix ever

[lavish lichen]

It’s really not…

Its a good fix

[gentle jewel]

damn >< was hoping for frost and unh bonus ><><><

[lavish lichen]

Do you complain about every change?

[alpine latch]

Instead of making it so you don't need an item to unlock a set bonus and you just need to wear 3 of the same kind, they made it so pants which don't have a socket can somehow unlock it.

When something is illogical, I say it's illogical.

[gentle jewel]

no, i don't post much. first time complaining

sorry to disappoint

[lavish lichen]

Nah not you

[harsh lantern]

new change is cringe

stop making of for mistakes months later

up

[lavish lichen]

It’s an improvement from the previous iteration

[alpine latch]

Is it good that we have an extra way to prevent being screwed by RNG? Sure. But is this a smart change at face value? No ... They could have removed the item restriction altogether

Yeah man

[harsh lantern]

Good thing it doesn’t matter for us

[alpine latch]

Just because something's better doesn't mean it's good.

[lavish lichen]

I mean it’s basically removed

You need 3 pieces to run the bonus anyway

[harsh lantern]

they scrambling

[alpine latch]

It's not though. You can have 4 Dom sockets and still not be able to use Frost because you don't have pants or shoulders

That's not a good system

It's just slightly less bad than before

Stop excusing shitty systems because it's slightly less shitty than it used to be.

[lavish lichen]

They also don’t want it to be an absolute freebie which seems to be what you want based in every suggestion I’ve seen you make.

I agree it could be better

I just disagree with your initial statement that “it’s a dumb fix”

[alpine latch]

I mean, it is a dumb fix. Your shard set bonus should just be wearing 3 shards

Not wearing 3 shards and one is in a specific item

That's like saying your 4pc bonus ONLY activates if one of the 4 items you're wearing is bracers

Otherwise you just have 4 set items and you don't get that bonus

[lavish lichen]

Set bonuses were specific pieces tho no?

[alpine latch]

They were, but it didn't matter which 2 pieces you wore. You just needed any 2 of the set and you got the 2pc bonus.

You could swap helm for bracers on and you still got the bonus

In this case, you can wear all 3 Shards and still not get the bonus because you don't have the right items

That's dumb.

There's no situation in which that's a good fix for the issue at hand.

[cobalt pelican]

it's almost as if shards you get all of for free and tier sets pieces aren't the same thing

🙄

[alpine latch]

Whereas, removing the item dependency fixes it across the board for everyone.

[alpine latch]

I see where you're going with this - but I'm comparing a set bonus only activating if you're wearing a specific item versus any item of that set.

I'm just saying, there's a smarter fix for this.

We still need the Dom sockets to use them, my suggested fix didn't change this

[cobalt pelican]

there is, i'm assuming they made this fix rather than removing it because of poor design to begin with but it is what it is

[alpine latch]

My fix was simply "remove the need for any specific item to activate a set bonus and make it activate when you're wearing 3 of the same set regardless of which item they are in"

[cobalt pelican]

dom shards just function the same as regular gems, and a set bonus is just a regular meta-gem enabler

i think for them to correct it in their current systems they'd have to add an enabler to every raid item then hide it probably

shards were a mistake 🙏

[alpine latch]

The flag is there already. It's just locked to only one option.

[full tide]

Would it be better to remove the requirement for any piece to activate the set? Of course. But that doesn't change that this is a positive change for some or doesn't make a difference for others. It's not negative and it only has a positive impact

[alpine latch]

It also has a neutral impact if you both don't have pants or the Dom Socket you need for your BiS shard set

[sharp stump]

How can it have a neutral impact

If it then increases the chance of you getting the piece to enable it

[alpine latch]

I haven't gotten pants from raid and we've only gotten 1 shoulder from raid. I lucked out and got mine in a normal pug

[sharp stump]

In that circumstance your opportunity to get the piece to enable for set is doubled

That’s a positive impact

[alpine latch]

Hmm

True. I'm looking at short term vs long term

[full tide]

You have a better chance at getting your set bonus

that's a win

also

now if you have 213 shoulders

maybe you get some 239 legs

and now you have the option to take 252 shoulders from M+ vault

again, only positive

[alpine latch]

Kind of?

you'd be giving up a Dom socket though

So you need to make sure that 252 Shoulders is worth more than a DPS gem

[full tide]

Right

[alpine latch]

You at least have that option

[full tide]

and for me that is the case

[alpine latch]

I still don't have a helm

[full tide]

we have more options, it's a good thing

can relax a bit even if it isn't perfect :P

[alpine latch]

Oh I'm not hyped about it

I just think it's a silly fix when the better fix was right in front of their face

I think you guys overestimate how emotionally attached to this I am.

People assume I never run m+ because I said the Great Vault is stupid and yet I'll have KSM on 3 characters this week

[fleet anchor]

Pretty sure they are working around technical limitations for gem set matching that have been in the game for decades

Whole thing is just a hack

[alpine latch]

Yeah, totally possible.

[fleet anchor]

To work around only being allowed to have one "meta gem" set bonus on an item

[alpine latch]

Who knows. Whole thing seems fucky.

[main forge]

because it was cobbled together and rushed out

[alpine latch]

I'm guessing most of the modern systems got thrown on top of the system and never actually built in as a core feature of the system.

Which means something like this would actually be impossible to implement, since the base system was never improved

[main forge]

They had a system they probably could have used.... azerite armor

Although much of this is trying to find a system better than the tier set bonus... which is what everyone is begging to come back, but I don't like it because it was so static. Some classes had baller 2 pc or 4 pc... and some had lackluster sets.

[alpine latch]

I'm afraid to check my Great Vaults today

[hollow river]

Me too

[alpine latch]

My second rogue did a full clear of Heroic and I got Edge of Night

If it somehow gets another before my main does I'm going to be so angry

[main forge]

When your alt becomes your main lol

[alpine latch]

I was originally planning on raiding on two characters in 9.1 but some friends said they were maining Horde and just doing m+ on their Alliance. Then 2 weeks into 9.1 they quit Horde altogether and went back to Alliance and haven't logged in since.

I committed to the guild so I'm riding it out. I can raid on both since they raid on different days.

[small bramble]

i had a “discussion” with someone in guild and they said that u only get in vault out of what bosses u kill is that true?

[main forge]

Maybe its me... but I don't enjoy multiple systems that overlap... end of BFA was a nightmare with corruption, azerite armor, essences...

[small bramble]

so you dont get loot from the later bosses in raid

if u only did first three

[hollow river]

You have to kill them once

And u have a chance

[small bramble]

so u only have a chance from bosses u kill

[hollow river]

But if u only kill 3 bosses u only get 1 chance at any loot

[alpine latch]

You can always get loot from the first 8 bosses. KT/Sylvanas have to be killed once for their loot to be added to the Great Vault for that difficulty.

[small bramble]

yea i got that just wanted to know the pool of loot

[alpine latch]

IE, you can't get Mythic Sylvanas loot from the GV until you've killed her on Mythic

[hollow river]

Not every week but yes. You have to kill them once before for a chance

[alpine latch]

If you go into SoD and only kill 3 bosses, you can get loot from any of the first 8 bosses. If you have previously killed KT/Sylv, their loot will be added to the poll as well.

The reason that the bosses are listed in the GV is to tell what you've killed. Nothing more, nothing less.

You only get credit for killing Tarragrue once. You can't kill him on Normal, Heroic, and Mythic and count that as 3 boss kills

[fleet anchor]

GV loot pool is from the bosses you have killed (at least once,) full stop. Not just the last two.

You're always limited to the bosses you have cleared

[small bramble]

so its not first 8 its what uv killed

[hollow river]

Yes

What you’ve killed

[fleet anchor]

At least once yes, not just that week though

[hollow river]

Once you kill a boss one time, a chance at that loot becomes available

[small bramble]

ok i thought it was first 8 even if u haven’t gotten to him yet

[hollow river]

It is not

[half quarry]

hey random question why blindside/deeper strat, on sims looks higher but i feel i perform less with it XD

[alpine latch]

Raids: The item level of rewards in this category is based on raid difficulty. You can unlock better loot by defeating bosses in Sanctum of Domination on higher difficulties. Loot from the first 8 Sanctum of Domination will always be available whether you killed them or not. Loot from the final two bosses (Kel'Thuzad and Sylvanas Windrunner) cannot be obtained unless you kill them once. Skipping Kel'Thuzad and killing just Sylvanas Windrunner only adds Sylvanas loot to the Vault table.

According to Icy Veins, you don't have to kill any boss of the first 8 to be in the pool

Did they just not update their guide?

[lavish lichen]

Yea I just found that as well palmer I believe that’s out of date

[alpine latch]

I don't see anything in the wowhead guide about that either (I just clicked the first two that popped up in a Google search)

[lavish lichen]

And AFAIK once you kill the final boss ALL bosses are unlocked (to prevent people from gaming it)

[alpine latch]

Yeah, that's not listed in the guide by Paryah, but maybe this is just incomplete. I had no idea you had to kill Guardian to get his trinket from the vault.

[small bramble]

it would make sense on what ive seen in vault last couple weeks tho

[hollow river]

From what I saw all of 9.0 from Nathria it’s only the bosses you’ve killed.

Never got a single item from something I haven’t killed before, not in 9.0 or 9.1

[cobalt pelican]

ya it's as simple as kill boss once -> loot added to future vaults as far as i know

[alpine latch]

Really?

I guess I just never paid attention

[cobalt pelican]

no failsafes on last bosses, no all 8 in pool, no nuttin

i did denath/first 2 on this char https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/draenor/Tildes most weeks last raid to get wep

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s how you trick the system

ONLY kill last 3 or something

Could argue a “better” chance at 1 end boss piece each week

[obsidian socket]

anyone have that druid kyrian spreadsheet thing

[cobalt pelican]

it's possible that if you kill specifically the last 2 combined some other loot pool opens, idk no anecdotals on that since i never did slg+denath

it's pinned in wowgen

[hollow river]

Because you don’t get any loot from 1-6

[obtuse robin]

so

ur saying every guide is wrong when they say all loot from first 8 bosses r included

like the one on icy veins

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[alpine latch]

When I loot Edge of Night on my Horde rogue today, I'll disprove that

Because I haven't killed Sylv this last week

It's going to happen, damnit.

[cobalt pelican]

you only have to kill her once but ye

[obtuse robin]

if its not then its bugged

[cobalt pelican]

what do you mean it's bugged

[obtuse robin]

because that has never been the communication on vault