assassination

[fallen arch]

Why my stat weights sim so weird

[brazen zodiac]

honestly id still use it even if i got like a 252 trinket itd still use it cause its just a funny trinket

[balmy condor]

But I ran it for 2 weeks and it failed on me a total of 3 times

[brazen zodiac]

esp in dungeons it feels really good

[balmy condor]

“Fail” being healing or mana

[brazen zodiac]

yeah it does suck when its like heal or mana

[balmy condor]

But like 3 in 87 pulls

[brazen zodiac]

when you use it to heal, it heals others right?

[balmy condor]

Super bait

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[balmy condor]

Can heal yourself too

[balmy condor]

It’s probably not

[fallen arch]

Kidding

[brazen zodiac]

i used it during sylv 3rd platform and i saw that everyone got healed for a huge chunk

and was super fucking confused

it said healed for like 38k arcane damage lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yeah healing can be of a magic type

Which I find odd

But I guess helps for torghast and stuff

So

There’s that

[brazen zodiac]

i cant wait to upgrade my m+ pieces i got so much crit and mastery pieces of gear

[cursive silo]

It comes into play mostly for disc priest in pvp

[brazen zodiac]

do u think 244 ilvl doing like 8k-9k in dungeons seems ok

on pulls i can pull like 15k-20k dps but idk if i should be getting more

[solemn plaza]

gotta be more specific than that

key levels do matter

[brazen zodiac]

ahhhh hmm

16-18

[balmy condor]

Dungeon dps is dependent on like 25 factors

8-9k might be fine for a careful tank

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[balmy condor]

But if you’re doing 8-9k on a tyrannical top

And 8-9k on a fortified mists or something

Then somethings fishy

[brazen zodiac]

idk ive been running specifically SD for the dagger for about 3 days straight, did about 20 17s, and ive done about 15m overall 8kish on this weeks affixes

i cant remember tyrannical but i should probs start noting

8k-9kish but ma memories a bit shitty

[balmy condor]

Ah sanguine depths

[brazen zodiac]

i kinda just never use even except when snd almost runs idk if thats a bad thing

ah the depths of sanguine

[cursive silo]

Cavernas sanguinas

[balmy condor]

On top of the regular tank routing and pulls and group comp changing your damage

The jar usage comes into play as well

[brazen zodiac]

yeah designated jar bitch right here

which kinda probs hurts damage too now that i think about it lmfao

[cursive silo]

No lol its just a click

[brazen zodiac]

wym it takes like 2 seconds to open

[balmy condor]

Jars are major juice

[cursive silo]

Yea exactly

[balmy condor]

those 2 seconds opening the jar is meaningless to the raw damage gain you get from having it

[marble hemlock]

It takes time to cast, and I'm not sure if it breaks stealth to do so, which would fuck your opener

[cursive silo]

You don’t open on pull

Anyway

[brazen zodiac]

i always open it after i proc 3 gars snd and use CT

idk if thats da way tho

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[cursive silo]

Dot while tank is pulling/packing things with tricks

Then youll have time to open while dots tick

[brazen zodiac]

i seriously need to bind my tricks im fucking trolling with that

wtf ima do that rn

[cursive silo]

Garrote macrod to tricks on tank

Ez

[balmy condor]

Anyway to answer the original question, it depends, but I think 8-9k is fine for a pug group at that level, especially if you’re starting off and unfamiliar with regular routes and when to use CDs effectively and stuff

That comes with practice and experience

[brazen zodiac]

i dont know how to make marcos but that sounds really fucking good lmfao

yeah im starting to just use gcds at the start of big pulls

and flag off cd lmfao

[cursive silo]

/cast garrote
/cast [@tank name] tricks

Other way around probs

[balmy condor]

Good rule is to just send big CDs on cooldown on the biggest guy you see

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[balmy condor]

It’s better to have used a cd poorly than never to have used it at all

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[cursive silo]

Wait you don’t have a single macro

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i dont really know how to set them up

i started playing wow last patch haha

;p

[cursive silo]

Just put a name

Oh

[balmy condor]

https://wago.io/OPG-27Bnm

Use this

[brazen zodiac]

i added it

[balmy condor]

I use 2 macros, one of them is that weakaura

The other is a focus Mouseover macro for using warlock gateways

[brazen zodiac]

my bf just told me about that last night

i gotta set that up for soulrender

[balmy condor]

Yeh it’s pretty good

[brazen zodiac]

got to 32% on him a few days ago with no lust >.<

hope to down him next week!!!

[balmy condor]

I find everything else to be pretty much just quality of life or straight useless

[brazen zodiac]

so how would i use this weakaura again?

[balmy condor]

So you get that weakaura

And there’s an instruction on the webpage

[brazen zodiac]

got it check!

[balmy condor]

To make a macro

[brazen zodiac]

ohh okay

[balmy condor]

It’s like /click AutoTankMisdirect

Or something

You make that macro it says

[brazen zodiac]

#showtooltip Misdirection (or Tricks of the Trade if you're a rogue, or the spell name in your language)
/click AutoTankMisdirect

[balmy condor]

Bind it to a key

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[balmy condor]

And then whenever you press that keybind

[brazen zodiac]

ohhh okay

[balmy condor]

It’ll automatically cast tricks on the tank

[cursive silo]

You can bind it to another spell if you want probs

[balmy condor]

Yeah you could I guess

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i wanted to bind it with gar and evasion

[balmy condor]

If you’re hurting for keybinds that bad

[brazen zodiac]

because im based i like to evasion in dungeons and pull for tank

LMFAO

[balmy condor]

For sure should bind it separately

Evasion at least

That’s useful for mechanics

And spiteful

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i learned that very quickly this week

[balmy condor]

I have mine on control+n

I got lanky fingers tho

[brazen zodiac]

esp during the gauntlet in SD ol

i have tiny hands but i think ill bind it to gar

or actually does it matter like when i press it after the first gar will it last for an x amount of seconds

cause sometimes a tank will taunt and then ill attack something and itll just attack me regardless of him taunting

idk if thats a me issue cause im new or

[balmy condor]

Sometimes tricks is a little slow

And won’t instantly change targets

[cursive silo]

The mob focuses you for like 1 second or so

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Might take an auto

[brazen zodiac]

so thats why i see my rogues getting bopped in raids at the start of a pull lmfao

[balmy condor]

Yeah just wait a half second

Tank will hit it once, and then you hit

And it’s fine

[cursive silo]

Ok bop might be a little too far

[balmy condor]

Bop as in hit

Not the cooldown

[cursive silo]

[brazen zodiac]

oh bops a cooldown i just thought people say it only in phase 1 of sylv

.<<<<<<<<<

[balmy condor]

Paladin spell

[brazen zodiac]

ah

im guessing it remoes debuffs lmfao

[balmy condor]

Big crown over your head

[cursive silo]

Makes you immune to physical

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[cursive silo]

Blessing of Protection

[fathom flax]

Used to make you stop being able to do damage too

Ultimate pally troll

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

im so glad dashing is gonna be online for me this tuesday ive been wanting to fuck with other legendaries

[balmy condor]

I get mine on Tuesday as well

[brazen zodiac]

pog

[oak sky]

I got my dashing today

[brazen zodiac]

guess u can say tuesday will be dashing

that was bad

[balmy condor]

I don’t have enough cinders

[brazen zodiac]

but im excited c:

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

u can only get 50 from the tormented shit once per week right

[oak sky]

Yeah but u play sub rn

[cursive silo]

Why not craft 235

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[brazen zodiac]

fk da system

[fathom flax]

I get zoldycks when I spend gold on the leg piece

[balmy condor]

The fuck would I do that for

[oak sky]

Ive only made doomblade and dashing

[cursive silo]

Not you

[oak sky]

At 262

[brazen zodiac]

i get my 262 dashing on tuesday too

[fathom flax]

But do I want zolds for a 15

[balmy condor]

Pretty much every viable 262 will beat a 235 dashing

[brazen zodiac]

my sims are swearing by obedience over zold rn and i dont know why

[balmy condor]

Kinda sad

[balmy condor]

Obedience good

[brazen zodiac]

yeah that was the case for me forever

yeah but zolds based

[oak sky]

It normally feels good for me unless theres some 250 ilvl bursty boys in a key

[brazen zodiac]

plus the anime is epic af

[balmy condor]

Obedience. Good.

[brazen zodiac]

Whispyr. Correct.

[balmy condor]

Zoldyck is good though

[brazen zodiac]

🥺

[fathom flax]

I have an obedience and I want a refund haha

I dislike it

[oak sky]

Ill make obedience next week i think so i can finally play sub

[brazen zodiac]

i want a refund for my unholy set

[fathom flax]

Same

[balmy condor]

🚪 👈

[fallen arch]

Same

[balmy condor]

Obedience goated

[brazen zodiac]

i also want a refund because i like moeny

[fallen arch]

I dont care about money

[brazen zodiac]

no but seriously i think its a little unfair that they dont give back the embers

[oak sky]

Once i can get 262 zoldyck in another couple weeks im golden

[brazen zodiac]

wasnt the nerf to unholy a bug they found

[fallen arch]

I do care about being 3 weeks behind cos of rebalances

[fathom flax]

That’s one of the 9.1.5 changes

[brazen zodiac]

which they could've found during beta

[fathom flax]

We don’t know about how much though

[fallen arch]

What is?

[fathom flax]

Legendary refunds

[fallen arch]

Ember refunds?

[fathom flax]

Recycling

[fallen arch]

Too little too late

[brazen zodiac]

when do those come out?

[fathom flax]

About 8 weeks

[brazen zodiac]

meh

[oak sky]

Mmm

Hard to know exactly when

[brazen zodiac]

im just excited to be able to try out other covs

esp forthe content they offer

[fathom flax]

Some of the features are tied behind max renown which is at least 7?8? Weeks away so I guess then ish maybe possibly

[brazen zodiac]

ember court for venythr super fun

[balmy condor]

No nerf to unholy, they buffed frost and blood and they became better, and then frost was oversimming a little, and that’s still the best for sin

[oak sky]

I just want to be able to do some necro outlaw in keys to learn the spec better

[fathom flax]

Implying you haven’t been all 4 covenants in 1 patch like some of us? Haha :<

[brazen zodiac]

ahhhh okay

and sir or maam i havent

ive been nf since i started playing cause

[fathom flax]

How’s your RSI?

[brazen zodiac]

i like soulshape haha

i only switched to venythr not to long ago

[fathom flax]

Das cool man

[brazen zodiac]

i think after my bf told me to join this discord and then i saw everyone was venythr and i was like oh wow guess this da move

venythr kinda based tho idk lores very fuckin wild

[oak sky]

Wdym by rsi

[fathom flax]

Repetitive stress injury

[oak sky]

Oh

[fathom flax]

Necro outlaw with mfd in m+ is high apm

Real high

[oak sky]

Im probably fine im a cracked zoomer

[fathom flax]

Real fucking high

[brazen zodiac]

outlaw gameplay looks cracked as fuck

[oak sky]

I mostly want to mess around for now

[brazen zodiac]

ya

[oak sky]

Do 15s as outlaw and sub

Sin hopefully get 20s done

[brazen zodiac]

i wanted to try sub cause double shadowstep seems awesome

[fathom flax]

Double step + strike port is cool

I just like sin the best

Envenom go brrrrr

I got all the mop ports, all the WoD ports, did they add legion ports? But I have no motivation to get the SL ports

For dungeons

Does WCL filter or alter the soulrender logs? I swear I was going more than what it says

[brazen zodiac]

i am struggling to make this marco lmfao.

does this look right?

[fathom flax]

Add
#showtoolip tricks of the trade

As line 1

[fallen arch]

A good outlaw in keys is worth his weight in gold tho

Too bad it’s played badly so much of the time I feel

[brazen zodiac]

it seems like it takes a lot of practice to practice rotation

[fallen arch]

Yeah gotta put in the work

[brazen zodiac]

i like seeing myself get better at x tho

[fallen arch]

But that’s the case for sin too I guess

[brazen zodiac]

i practiced sin opener for like an hour and pooling

increased dps by like 200-300

which isnt a lot ig but like

yk its a +

probs a lot harder than outlaw tho

i mean outlaw a lot harder

[fallen arch]

Outlaw isn’t for everyone no

[limber lion]

It definitely is a lot.

And no, Outlaw isn't necessarily "harder" per se. It's just a different kind of gameplay.

[brazen zodiac]

it feels really weird just not pressing any buttons for like 3-4 seconds but meh

[slow marsh]

more buttons doesn't really mean better skill

[brazen zodiac]

youd only pool like 3-4 seconds before shiv comes off cd right?

[limber lion]

You just press all the glowy buttons

[brazen zodiac]

u glow

[fallen arch]

In the right order

[north basin]

so 5 weeks of hc/normal and zero daggers from sylv. yesterday desperatly went lfr and got 220. -50dps from 236 dagger with. top tier trolling,

[fallen arch]

And you stand at double the range we do 😂

[limber lion]

Minmaxing Outlaw can be difficult, but that goes for all specs.

[brazen zodiac]

im kinda finding myself typically sitting at like 15-30 energy not sure if thats the play tho

[slow marsh]

like the 'hardest' part about outlaw since i've been learning it has been understanding where you're at with buffs and being fluid with the prio list

[brazen zodiac]

is there an explanation of min max in the faq? kinda confused on it

[limber lion]

As assa?

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[slow marsh]

but at the end of the day if you just mash your buttons you're fine

[limber lion]

If you pool properly, you shouldn't really be energy starved

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[limber lion]

You get starved during cooldown windows because you intentionally want to dump all of your resources

But outside of cooldowns you're chillin

[brazen zodiac]

so is it normal to just chill for a few seconds to pool before even window?

after ur dots have been applied?

[slow marsh]

as long as you're not capping energy

[limber lion]

Outside of cds, yes

[brazen zodiac]

when you mean capping, you mean like having too much energy or not enough?

say*

[balmy condor]

Capping is having the maximum

And then overflowing

So if you’re capping, that’s bad

Cause you’re wasting energy

[brazen zodiac]

maybe because its 6 am and thats why im struggling to understand >.<

ima just assume going above 140 energy is bad and going below 20 is bad but that is probably very wrong

[balmy condor]

There’s no bottom level

But you usually want to stay at around 110-125 when you’re pooling

[brazen zodiac]

oh really shit i usually stay around 30-50 lol

[balmy condor]

Pooling in general is pretty minor

So if you’re just using energy as it comes up

That’s cool

[brazen zodiac]

i just dont want to miss any env when shiv is up

i usually cast it like once or twice during shiv cd

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s whatever

;)

[brazen zodiac]

my mythic parases are absolute dogshit and i cant pinpoint what im doing wrong probs a million things but i kinda run out of energy a lot so not sure

my heroic are ok but still not sure what i can do to do better

even after weeks of peeping cev's cast timeline >.<

i read the faq at least twice a day and i still cant remember lmfao

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[brazen zodiac]

i literally have a sticky note of shit specifically u and cev say

[balmy condor]

Cev just built differently

He also just has a shit ton of gear

[brazen zodiac]

yeah but my mythic specifically are me doing something wrong i think

then again i was drunk for this mythic week so

[balmy condor]

Mythic is a lot harder to parse

Just in general

[brazen zodiac]

its all fun and games until you shadowstep on the black shit against taragoop

and yo cloak on cd >.<

tara parses seem kind of a joke but i always use them as a frame of reference for what damage i could or should be doing

[hollow river]

Do not do this. Lol

[brazen zodiac]

no?

[hollow river]

Definitely not

[brazen zodiac]

specifically for tara or in general?

[hollow river]

Tara

[south hollow]

yes tara parses are just anima powers that s why it doesn t give you all star points, honestly from my perspective don t bother with your mythic parses unless your guild is already reclearing the whole raid cuz parses are influenced by everyone s damage, so you gotta take gear in consideration, bloodlust timing, if your guildies are good etc., you won t see a 100 parser with others parsing green or blue

[brazen zodiac]

hm

[south hollow]

at the end of the day if you re top 3 in single target and the boss is dead i think you should be happy

[hollow river]

Yeah until u have the raid on farm parsing is pointless

[brazen zodiac]

i parsed a 0 on the nine cause i died cloak ran out while trying to soak a really bad puddle but the boss died and i got my ring so :D

[hollow river]

Until you’re comfortable with reclears to the point that you can pad your damage

Instead of focusing boss damage

[brazen zodiac]

mmm i see i see

[south hollow]

things like that will happen on progress all the time

don t be sad about it

[brazen zodiac]

yeah not sad just tryna improve yk

[hollow river]

Both my Nine kills I was sac’d

So dw

[south hollow]

one pull you can be top dps and the next one you just get all the mechanics and can t really dps

[brazen zodiac]

thrown to da sharks

[hollow river]

Ye

[south hollow]

one pull i had fragments everytime

[brazen zodiac]

yeah thats why my fatescribe parse kinda bothers me

theyre probs a joke too but

sucks getting runes every time

although doing runes is pretty fun tbh

[hollow river]

Doing runes correctly when no one else seems to get the hang of

Is no fun to me

In my last guild they were progging H guardian for like 30 pulls then Fatescribe

I came back one day after a busted trial and we 1 shot Fatescribe. I got runes like 3 times

[brazen zodiac]

rip

[hollow river]

After that they had to reprog it lmao

[brazen zodiac]

i cant raid lead and press buttons at the same time its too hard

probs why my sylv and kt ones are even worse

[hollow river]

Oof

[brazen zodiac]

props to people who can lmfao

[hollow river]

I can see kt being hard to RL while playing

Sylvanas though just a snooze fest imo

[brazen zodiac]

yeah thats the issue

im asleep by the end of p1

[hollow river]

Just need to delegate call outs to healers and tanks for dispels and stacks etc

[brazen zodiac]

i like really want to try this but i just havent gotten to yet

i wanna pick up all the puddles, jump off, press cloak, then rocket jump back on

LMFAO

[south hollow]

oh you didn t say you re a raid leader

[brazen zodiac]

well just when i put together pugs

[south hollow]

ah oke thought you re the guild rl for a sec nvm

[brazen zodiac]

nah

i mean theres no difference between pugging and rl and guild rl

but haha

[hollow river]

Um

There is a difference

[south hollow]

depends you can go off disc with pugs

[brazen zodiac]

how so

[hollow river]

Between heroic and mythic

[south hollow]

cuz you edpect them to know shit

[brazen zodiac]

oh were talking about heroic

[south hollow]

expect*

[hollow river]

Ye ik

[brazen zodiac]

yeah i cant even show up sober to mythic LMFAo

i aint RL that shit

[hollow river]

But with ur guild u are in mythic ye?

[south hollow]

but as a m rl you have ti call almost everything

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

yeah

idk i call everything regardless during kt and sylv cause i dont trust people flmao

[south hollow]

my rl is playing shaman for that reason, so he doesn t have to focus on rotation that much

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[hollow river]

My old guild is still progging H sylv

[brazen zodiac]

ur just too focused on timing and telling x to do x

use x and shit

[hollow river]

And they have some good players idk what the deal is

[south hollow]

if ppl die in p1 you can call it a wipe

[brazen zodiac]

a lot of individual responsibility

[hollow river]

Yeah they do

[brazen zodiac]

oh absolutely

idk i refuse to go into p3 without a brez

[south hollow]

reminds me of sire

[brazen zodiac]

if u die in p2 to falling u get kciked

u die to p1 to rive u get the bulle- u get kicked

[hollow river]

They’re like hard stuck with p2 let alone p3 first platform wipe every time

[south hollow]

how

it s 2 months in almost

[brazen zodiac]

hard game

[hollow river]

Idk man

[brazen zodiac]

people are so tunneled on the boss they ignore orbs or spread stupid shit idk

[hollow river]

Idk

Parsers aren’t always good raiders

[south hollow]

that reminded me i did a pug sylv on my war at 4 am and the guy that made the group was 9/10... and he had 276 pulls when we killed it

[hollow river]

The other rogue in there can parse 99s all night

But dies randomly

[brazen zodiac]

HOLY SHIT

[south hollow]

winds of winter proc maybe

[brazen zodiac]

276

[limber lion]

Generally people who look to parse rarely die

Because dying = bad parse.

[brazen zodiac]

.<

[hollow river]

No

[south hollow]

you can t dps the boss if you re dead ;)

[hollow river]

Depends

[limber lion]

?

[brazen zodiac]

cant die if youre already dead

[limber lion]

Are you drunk

[hollow river]

If they’re greeding hard enough and not good enough players

[balmy condor]

Imagine telling cev how to parse

[hollow river]

They die

[balmy condor]

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

[brazen zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-kek-intensifies-kek_intensifies-gif-10111909

[hollow river]

......

Cev is in a completely different environment

Doesn’t even come close

[limber lion]

How so?

[hollow river]

Imagine this ok;

[limber lion]

I don't raid heroic with my guildies

[south hollow]

it s kinda true tho i ve been with a lot of ppl in the guild that were parsing 90+ but were dying to easy mechanics

[hollow river]

People who are still progging H sylvanas

Trying to parse

[balmy condor]

Mans parsing in boost runs with 7 carries

[hollow river]

Do not know how to stay alive ok

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

People who are progressing Sylvanas

Are not looking to parse

[hollow river]

Pls read up

Because yes they are

[brazen zodiac]

........

im screaming

[hollow river]

Not everyone

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

There are 100% players out there

[balmy condor]

Trying to parse on prog is just about the stupidest shit you can do

[karmic crystal]

A high parse to them is like

[hollow river]

Who will put parse over prog

[karmic crystal]

A 70

[limber lion]

Well if "trying to parse" means killing the boss for the first time with 220 ilevel and aiming for that sweet sweet blue parse

Then sure.

[hollow river]

Exactly@my@point

[south hollow]

cev i have a question, i stalked your logs, you didn t use slice and dice once on your guardian 100 100 parse? 🤨 or is it a log bug

[karmic crystal]

They’re not trying to get ceverion tier parses

[limber lion]

But like I said

[balmy condor]

Why are we considering those people?

[hollow river]

Good lord the flame is just uncalled for guys

[limber lion]

Generally if you're trying to improve your parses, you aim to do as much dps as possible

[balmy condor]

You say stupid words then get surprised you get flamed

[limber lion]

And dying is the biggest dps loss in the game.

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

Bro

Really

[limber lion]

You're generally not looking to improve your parses

[balmy condor]

Is that not what happened

[limber lion]

If you don't have any

[hollow river]

I’m not sitting here telling people how to parse

I was describing why a guild I know of can’t kill H sylvanas

Jesus

Christ

[balmy condor]

Those guys are parsing tho?

[hollow river]

Why should I be flamed for that

[balmy condor]

Do you think people not killing heroic sylvanas

Are parsing

[limber lion]

Me: "usually people looking to improve their parses rarely die"
NoTrickz: "no? people who are progging sylv will die looking to parse"

[south hollow]

no but they re delusional ans try to get high ones on first kill

[limber lion]

See how dumb that sounds

[hollow river]

This

[limber lion]

We're not talking about 210 ilvl andies trying to kill a boss for the first time

[balmy condor]

Why are we even considering these people again?

[limber lion]

Yeh

[rotund oak]

because that fk'n guild cant kill sylv hc coz parses

lul

[rotund oak]

❤️

[south hollow]

because our parses become better if there are worse ppl than us

[limber lion]

People looking to parse are generally people who are geared to their teeth from farming the bosses for weeks prior looking to improve their progression/farm parses.

[balmy condor]

Like who cares about the people parse whoring on normal, or trying to parse first kills

They won’t

And they probably never will

[brazen zodiac]

parsing on normal? lmfao

[limber lion]

Yeh, have fun trying to get a good parse on your first kill

[south hollow]

any lfr parsers in the chat??

[rotund oak]

lul

[limber lion]

You need the loot from the boss you're trying to kill to parse well on it

[balmy condor]

Just as stupid, and equally as important

[brazen zodiac]

honestly if you arent parsing 100 on lfr get out of my dms

[karmic crystal]

They are talking about people who are at a skill level that are still progressing sylvanas hc - yes, you could argue that high parsers die less - but at this skill level the kind of parsers are people just hoping to get a 70 parse

[balmy condor]

That’s not a parse

That’s playing above average

[karmic crystal]

But to these people

That is

[hollow river]

First kill of H painsmith one of them parsed 97

[limber lion]

[karmic crystal]

They exist

[brazen zodiac]

parsing on normal super important :O

[balmy condor]

Who fucking cares what they think in their delusional fairyland

[south hollow]

depends on when it happend

[balmy condor]

Like actually who cares

[limber lion]

God my bed is comfy, I'm never getting up

[brazen zodiac]

what kind of bed

[south hollow]

remeber first week there were like 1.5k guilds that killed it

[brazen zodiac]

i have a water bed

very very sick

[safe patrol]

yeah all good, take your time🙌

[karmic crystal]

There are loads of people that only play with those kinds of people

There are more of them than there are 90 parsers

That’s what the statistics mean

[brazen zodiac]

what was the argument about again im curious and i forgot

[south hollow]

my goal is to parse 0 0 on all fights

[hollow river]

The main point was someone was worried about their Mythic parses. In a prog setting. That’s where it sparked from

[brazen zodiac]

my goal is to kill the boss and get something with crit and haste

[south hollow]

factual

[brazen zodiac]

fuck that my goal is sylv dagger or ring

ffssss

[hollow river]

[south hollow]

from m ?

[limber lion]

No it wasn't.

[brazen zodiac]

no from heroic haha

i hope one day i can spend 3 weeks wiping on sylv

on mythic :D

[south hollow]

set your goals higher i believe you can do it

[limber lion]

We were talking about heroic only, and I literally said "generally people looking to parse rarely die" and you go"reeeeeeeee not tru"

Idk I'm over it

[balmy condor]

Could’ve said that instead of just straight disagreeing right out the gate

[south hollow]

never give up🔆

[balmy condor]

But is all good

[brazen zodiac]

progressing on mythic is like all there is left to do

[limber lion]

What should I eat today? Hmm

[brazen zodiac]

i just wanna pwn

[limber lion]

Maybe a good sushi set

[karmic crystal]

I’m just saying you’re talking about two completely different player pools

[brazen zodiac]

a quesadilla

or spicy ramen with egg

:o

[south hollow]

man i eant a quesadilla now

[limber lion]

I had tacos a few days ago ugh

[south hollow]

[brazen zodiac]

throw in some sriracha sauce

[karmic crystal]

So that’s why you have completely different reference points

And understandings of what is “true” to you

[brazen zodiac]

u may have had tacos a few days ago my friend

but have u had ramen with sriracha sauce and eggs

[balmy condor]

Who are you talking to

[limber lion]

That's why we use words like "generally" and not "according to my experience"

[karmic crystal]

All of you

[balmy condor]

Oh ok

[south hollow]

cev order a pizza you deserve it

[balmy condor]

Thanks for the clarification

[limber lion]

Okay we chillin

[north basin]

how to parse orange on hc painsmith?! fight so simple but iam unable to pass 95% mark for 7 kills already. people killing it with somee cheesy strat?

https://gyazo.com/b55d80e6545f06b7c687faa8443fd1e4

[brazen zodiac]

how the fuck do u parse so high on fatescribe

[south hollow]

add padding

[karmic crystal]

Kill times, shuriken milking

[brazen zodiac]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/badbttch#difficulty=4

im salty

[hollow river]

Don’t get mechanics

[limber lion]

No, Painsmith is very similar to a patchwork fight honestly.

Just stick to the boss and never leave

Don't bother with the balls, just smash the boss

[north basin]

its 3 phases. iam sure iam doing good rotation. but never 95% ,,, wtf i dont know

[brazen zodiac]

LMFAO

[hollow river]

Don’t rupture a ball for regen?

[limber lion]

You can fok a few times during the balls or throw a rupture on the main ball but that's it

[balmy condor]

Boss damage gamers

[limber lion]

Smash it.

[hollow river]

Lit

[brazen zodiac]

oh do you actually rupture the ball?

[limber lion]

:NODDE

????

[north basin]

iam fok into boss and always 100% on boss. even no traps on me. mystery...

[hollow river]

Energy regen

[limber lion]

What the fuck

[brazen zodiac]

is it the same as remenet orbs?

[fallen arch]

Ignore ur rune

[limber lion]

Good emote mobile discord

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

THATS BASED AS FUCK

[fallen arch]

Or raidlead and assign to someone else

[balmy condor]

You always want to rupture 1-2 things extra if you can

As Long as it lasts more than 3-4 seconds

[brazen zodiac]

"badbttch you're sta-" "no"

[limber lion]

It's the same logic as applying bleeds to the secondary bosses in Council of Blood

[brazen zodiac]

i didnt do last raid tier

[limber lion]

It's to funnel energy into your main target

[brazen zodiac]

;p

[limber lion]

But tbh that's not necessary

Just hit the boss and only the boss and you're straight chilling

[south hollow]

the dmg to the balls that don t die doesn t count in logs does it

[limber lion]

No

[brazen zodiac]

im pretty nervous to get near the balls on painsmith because i cant actually backup in wow

i use my camera lmao

[drowsy coral]

Ask you raid to hit harder too to reduce kill time

[brazen zodiac]

and rebound my s key to something else

[limber lion]

I can't imagine doing painsmith without backpedaling

[north basin]

so i need to run straight to balls and apply rupture garrote on 2 of them and fok into boss?

[brazen zodiac]

idk i play too much of this one thing in another game

[limber lion]

Backpedal is kinda litty ngl

[hollow river]

Backpedaling sucks

[brazen zodiac]

so im so used to flicking my camera and makes it more comfortable

[limber lion]

???

[hollow river]

Thinking about binding it to a MB

Instead of S

[brazen zodiac]

LOL

[drowsy coral]

Actually trolling

[hollow river]

????

[limber lion]

NoTrickz has to be a massive troll

[brazen zodiac]

it probably is but idk ive been doing it for months so if i change now ill def fuck shit up

[hollow river]

How?

[limber lion]

Why is backpedaling bad homeboy

[drowsy coral]

I prefer to believe that he's trolling big time

[hollow river]

Most people don’t have backpedal bound period

[limber lion]

Wtf

That's not true

[balmy condor]

What kind of most people

Is most people

[brazen zodiac]

trickz i promise you

[limber lion]

Most people never ever touch their movement keybinds

[karmic crystal]

I can assure you that most people definitely do

[brazen zodiac]

you and i are probably the only people

[limber lion]

And just use the default

[brazen zodiac]

that do not

backpeddle

lol

[ancient rain]

most people? lol

[limber lion]

Which has backpedal on

What the actual

[hollow river]

O.o

[brazen zodiac]

pedal*

[balmy condor]

Petal*

[limber lion]

Have you been watching too much pikaboo

[drowsy coral]

The only guys who very often unbind S are PvP boys

[brazen zodiac]

cut me some slack its 7 am :c

[hollow river]

I thought everyone rebound A S D

[balmy condor]

No

[ancient rain]

backpedal is a legitimate and useful way of moving your character, stop limiting yourself based on what you think is cool

[hollow river]

To strafe left forward strafe right

[balmy condor]

Rarely anyone does

[brazen zodiac]

i dont think its a matter of being cool idk

[balmy condor]

A and D to strafe is common

[brazen zodiac]

i do it because its a legit muscle memory kind of thing for me? idk

[hollow river]

O.ooooo

[balmy condor]

But rarely do people touch S

[drowsy coral]

@ us when you'll be progg'ing painsmith MM Trickz

[brazen zodiac]

when u have 5000 hours doing something else its super hard to change

[north basin]

wait people not using S as going backwards?XD

[hollow river]

I am right now

[south hollow]

i have a guildie who has no movement keybinds and moves with mouse only

[drowsy coral]

Do you

actually

turn your camera sideways to dps the balls

[brazen zodiac]

yeah

[drowsy coral]

[balmy condor]

That’s so cancer

[hollow river]

No

I don’t

[brazen zodiac]

meh

[karmic crystal]

He tunnel boss

[hollow river]

I rebound backpedal to S for piainsmith

And I hate it

[limber lion]

??????

[ancient rain]

blizzard made it an anima power drawback to not be able to move backwards, think about it

[drowsy coral]

i'm so confused

[balmy condor]

Wait

You unbound S to use as a different bind

And then you unbound that

[balmy condor]

To rebind backpedal

[brazen zodiac]

this might make someone scream idk

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

To that key

And then moved the thing you put on s

To a different key

I’m guessing when painsmith is done

[hollow river]

Holding/tapping S while pressing abilities/alt-shift modified binds is fucking cancer

[balmy condor]

You unbound it again?

[hollow river]

....

[limber lion]

How does this differ from pressing w?

[hollow river]

What’s wrong with swapping binds around?

[ancient rain]

Yes, I use S to backpedal. How could you tell??

[balmy condor]

What do you have on S

[limber lion]

Same finger

[balmy condor]

Out of curiosity

[drowsy coral]

shadowstrike

Kapp

[brazen zodiac]

for me its stealth lmfao

[hollow river]

What’s wrong with swapping binds to what you personally find optimal?

[brazen zodiac]

s for stealth..........

[hollow river]

Fucking nothing

[drowsy coral]

Nothing wrong with that

But you said backpedalling suck ass

[balmy condor]

It’s just giga weird

[ancient rain]

S is one of the easiest keybinds to press and u either use it for a 1 time use spell or for nothing? lol

[hollow river]

To me, leaving S as back pedal is giga weird

[brazen zodiac]

it feels giga weird to backpedal for me lmfao

[hollow river]

^

[balmy condor]

Yeah and you’re well in the minority on that

[hollow river]

Sure

[limber lion]

Yeh not "most people"

[balmy condor]

Like 1 in 100

[hollow river]

Still a matter of opinion

[brazen zodiac]

in this case 2 in 100

🥺

trickz do u have a reason

for me its playing this other shit game for like 5000 hours that was solely flicking camera and holding mouse button 1

[hollow river]

You don’t play the game like I do? Haha let’s make fun of that jack ass

[south hollow]

fact or cap, do you guys have capslock bound?

[hollow river]

Fucking cringe tbh

[drowsy coral]

[ancient rain]

i swear if you could read minds, you'd find out that everyone who unbinds S does it because "its cringe to backpedal"

[limber lion]

Okay calm down buddy

You're the one with the spicy takes here

[drowsy coral]

No one cares if you bind S to your nintendo switch joy con

[brazen zodiac]

MLFAO

[drowsy coral]

You just said that backpedalling suck ass

[limber lion]

"most people rebound s"
"most people looking to parse die a lot"

What's the next hot take

[idle star]

I bound Cloak to S

[brazen zodiac]

run ct on guardian

[ancient rain]

most people like outlaw

[limber lion]

[hollow river]

Maybe I will lead with “in my experience” from now on then

[limber lion]

As you should.

[hollow river]

Because most people I’ve run across do rebind

[limber lion]

Instead of speaking in absolutes

[brazen zodiac]

im really curious who u run across

because ur legit

the only person ive met other than my bf who doesnt backpedal

[idle star]

I bind my keys based on the name of the ability. So Ambush is A. Envenom is E. Mutilate is M. GARROTE is G. Rupture is R. Shiv is S.

[south hollow]

and w for walk of shame?

[karmic crystal]

What

Is that true

[balmy condor]

Aight mate. Here’s what’s happening, just to get this straight. You come and say “most people do X”, they don’t. We literally don’t care what you have it bound to. Couldnt care less. You can bind backpedal to Square on a controller you use with your toes. Fantastic. But don’t cry victim when you got some hot ass takes and swing in saying that it’s just what everyone does

[brazen zodiac]

C for Cloak. V for Vanish. Alt+F4 for 100% parses.

[balmy condor]

We’re not going to do that

[drowsy coral]

lmao

[hollow river]

Cool. Still will never understand why the flaming is necessary. It’s not a big deal, there’s no metric for this, you are merely speaking from your own experience and what you know, as am I.

[karmic crystal]

Is that a meme

The outlaw thing

[ancient rain]

Stating opinion as fact is why we can't have anything nice

[south hollow]

afaik no

but i might be wrong who knows

[balmy condor]

Then word it like that and you won’t get flamed

[limber lion]

Honestly don't think therr was much flaming either way.

[balmy condor]

You do a great job explaining yourself 5 minutes after you said something magmatic

Just say the thing you were going to say

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

At the start

[ancient rain]

magmatic

[balmy condor]

Vocab word for the fans

[drowsy coral]

Whispyr teaching us all how to improve our english

EU friends take notes

[cursive silo]

any magmatic gamers

[fallen arch]

Cool word

I backpedal with s

Cba to unlearn that

[cursive silo]

Based backpedaller

[hollow river]

Idk I usually move with mouse

Maybe that’s why it feels bad for me as that’s what I’m used to

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Mouse moving will be awkward on painsmith

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s why I was thinking about putting backpedal on a MB

[fiery mauve]

Backpedal is pretty good in pve

[fierce hill]

Uff

[hollow river]

Just the way the rest of my binds are set up holding S completely throws me off

[balmy condor]

What’s on s

[fiery mauve]

Wasd gang

[fierce hill]

But pressing W is not?

[hollow river]

Usually kick

[cursive silo]

you don't press S for long when you backpedal lol

[hollow river]

I don’t press W

[balmy condor]

Mouse mover yeh

[hollow river]

I move with my mouse

[fierce hill]

Well there is your first mistake

[hollow river]

O.o

[fiery mauve]

You don’t backpedal when evasion is up ever?

[balmy condor]

Just think about backpedaling like kicking, but backwards

[south hollow]

are you a moba player?

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

Lmao

[cursive silo]

mouse movers can't use the strafing power on tarragrue

instant L

[hollow river]

Don’t need it with all the better ones

[hollow river]

No, why?

[south hollow]

cause in most mobas u move with mouse

[fiery mauve]

You move with mouse in RuneScape pog

[hollow river]

I was fully under the impression this is how the majority of “competitive” players set up their stuff lol

[drifting cosmos]

how do ppl play wow without wsad

[cursive silo]

don't you do everything with mouse in runescape

[fiery mauve]

Yes

[drifting cosmos]

camera angle rotate is so weird

[hollow river]

Ya but that’s just a click

[fierce hill]

What you thought they use the Mouse to walk?

[fiery mauve]

wasd gang

[hollow river]

Yea

[fierce hill]

Well no idea why you thought that but they do not

[fiery mauve]

Competitive players use backpedal as rogue

[hollow river]

Like strafe is understandable sure

[fiery mauve]

Evasion is kinda big

[cursive silo]

backpedal is good

for micro movements

in melee

[hollow river]

True

[karmic crystal]

It has had a few niche usages over time that always bring up the backpedal debate

[fierce hill]

Like the best control over your char is keyboard movement + mouse for camera adjustment and thats a fact

[karmic crystal]

Dead zone kiting for example

And there’s been a few bosses it’s been worth having

[real bay]

anyone say backpedal is bad has never played a tank

[ebon thorn]

i know some people who only uses mouse to move

rebound wasd

[hollow river]

All the “big” streamers/hall of fame content creators I’ve seen go over their binds remove back pedal and use mostly mouse and strafe (this only being a handful of people) but yeah

[ebon thorn]

also know ppl who play with asdf instead of wasd

[hollow river]

Yeah tank definitely needs for sure

[karmic crystal]

I mean I think people think pikaboo and xaryu don’t have backpedal bound but they do

It’s just not on S

[hollow river]

I’m meaning from pve perspective

[misty holly]

I play with asz and walk forward on the mouse, hold both mouse buttons to walk forward.

works fine

[real bay]

i just dont see the need to remove backpeddle bind as theres plenty of keys to use for other stuff, sometimes you might wanna backpeddle

[misty holly]

It's pretty silly... I use backpeddle all the time.

[real bay]

i think the whole "backpeddlers suck" originally came from pvp a long time ago

[misty holly]

Its very useful

[real bay]

its kinda a meme

[limber lion]

There is no reason to remove backpedal for pve purposes.

Backpedaling is only bad in PvP.

I can assure you that most pve players have backpedal bound.

[idle star]

Backpeddling = moving slowet under ALL circumstances

And is useless

Slower*

[limber lion]

No it's not.

There are moments in pve where you want to backpedal

And you don't need to move at full speed

[idle star]

You can just strafe and move quicker

[limber lion]

That's worse than backpedaling in pve

Backpedaling is used to micromove in pve and it allows you to have maximum uptime as well

Having to strafe will fuck up your uptime and does not allow for micromovement.

[idle star]

Example of how it gives maximum uptime?

[dawn ivy]

backpeddling personally is alot better on painsmith balls

[limber lion]

How do you do balls on Painsmith

[dawn ivy]

strafing makes you pull out of melee ranged constantly

buyt backpeddling is only a little faster than the balls

[limber lion]

You moving at the same speed of the ball by backpedalling allows you to have maximum uptime

You strafing and going out of melee range because of too big movements kills it.

[idle star]

Who says i have too big of movements?

[limber lion]

Like idk why people are even arguing about it.

Like that's just how it works.

[cursive silo]

cause they are pepegas who can't optimize movement

that's why cev

[real bay]

indeed, backpeddle isnt the problem if ppl cant figure out their keybinds

[idle star]

Just because im strafing doesnt mean im blasting accross the room lol

[limber lion]

Also having to strafe is unnecessary camera movement and distraction

[dawn ivy]

sure but its just objectively smoother to backpeddle than strafe in that scenario

[limber lion]

If you get a mechanic under you that you can move away from by just backpedalling, is much better than having to turn your entire screen around to walk out of it

and then back

Like you're just in the wrong here.

[idle star]

Ok agree to dissagree. Backpeddling for simple folk. Strafing for the elite :)

[limber lion]

There is no scenario in the pve world

where you would suffer

from using backpedal

unlike in PvP where it actually matters

[limber lion]

Okay, what's your mythic progression, world rank and logs?

Let's see what the elite is capable of.

And what us "plebs" can do

[cursive silo]

the only reason in pvp is that you don't ever walk back without a dash anyway lol

[limber lion]

plebs who are stuck using backpedal

Us "simple folk"

[idle star]

I dont raid mythic.

[dawn ivy]

yo CF ceverion is awesome

[limber lion]

LUL

[dawn ivy]

this guy shoots people now

[real bay]

backpeddle bad has always been a dumb af meme

[limber lion]

Well

There it goes boys

[real bay]

its never been bad

[dawn ivy]

i fucking love this new cev

[limber lion]

"THE ELITE" doesn't even raid mythic

They're stuck farming mounts

with their backpedal turned off

[cursive silo]

Chadverion

[limber lion]

Good shit

Love to see it

[idle star]

Wow man you are taking my joke way too far.

How many nights a week do you raid?

[limber lion]

1 currently.

[idle star]

...

[dawn ivy]

oh no dont fall for it

[limber lion]

Why?

[dawn ivy]

OH NO NO NO

[idle star]

:)

[sturdy mesa]

[limber lion]

We're already done with progression.

We've been done with progression for a month now.

[dawn ivy]

the guy full clears mythic in one day

[idle star]

Ok so you DID raid how many?

[dawn ivy]

most guilds are full clearing in a day once they finish prog

[limber lion]

While you were out there killing Sylvanas on normal with your unbound backpedal

I was killing Sylvanas on mythic

With the simple folk

who use backpedal

[idle star]

Lol while i was banging my hot missus and esrning good money instead of playing video games. Sure lol

[sturdy mesa]

No way did u do mythic sylvanas with backpedle bound! 😮

[cursive silo]

Pog the hot missus

[shut garnet]

LMFAO

[idle star]

I dont raid mythic due to time restraints

[sturdy mesa]

Aite there is no way it's not trolling

[limber lion]

"the elite" doesn't even raid mythic because of time restraints

God damn.

[cursive silo]

his missus do be hot tho

[shut garnet]

@limber lion you just got “Tanner’d from highschool” how do u feel

[idle star]

You gonna get a head job off mythic sylv? Didnt think so

[limber lion]

Life as the elite sure is tolling

[dawn ivy]

huh

[sturdy mesa]

"head job"

[idle star]

Oh you too cool to call it that.

My bad

[dawn ivy]

no like head job isnt a thing

at least for me i have no fuckin clue what a head job is

[cursive silo]

probably head

[idle star]

Yeh ofc its not a thing in your life

Correct

[cursive silo]

but with a weird twist

[shut garnet]

yo surely you have better things to do than flex what u do irl

[dawn ivy]

OH SHIT HE GOT ME

[shut garnet]

when ur performance in game is trash

right?

[limber lion]

Alright time to chill boys

[sturdy mesa]

Dude i'm dying pls dont stop

[cursive silo]

I mean if your girl calls it a "job" I wouldn't be proud of it

[limber lion]

Let's go back to playing video games boys

After all this is a video game discord

Even though apparently we're not good enough because we play video games

[idle star]

At the end of the day. I live and DIE by strafing. You backpeddle cowboys are all kinds of twisted

[dawn ivy]

pog im a cowboy

[sturdy mesa]

pog

[cursive silo]

factt

[dawn ivy]

YEEHAW

[sturdy mesa]

tbh cowboys were kinda alpha

[limber lion]

If "the elite" is busy farming mounts and getting a head job from their girlfriend, then I can see why you'd never use backpedal.

And that's cool.

We simple cowboys will stick to the basics.

[shut garnet]

did the fin guild disband cev

[limber lion]

No

[shut garnet]

fair, gratz on the new one tho pog

[limber lion]

Hah, thanks. :P

I joined Memento a day before I got approached by Method.

[shut garnet]

still not qualified enough to strafe apparently

pepelaugh

[dawn ivy]

nah cev just doesnt know how to strafe

[limber lion]

Felt a bit bad jumping from Memento as I just joined them.

[idle star]

Tbh i cant backpeddle. I dont have a keybind for cloak if i do that so.. strafe4lyfe

[limber lion]

Yeah because cloak can only be bound on s

Nothing else.

It's okay, we get it.

That sounds very simple

but I guess we're the simple folk here.

[idle star]

You are sensitive. I like that.

[sturdy mesa]

[idle star]

I was joking

[limber lion]

Good

[dawn ivy]

"i was joking please dont shoot me"

[fallen arch]

Remind me to never make a stupid joke against Cev

[idle star]

God dam the games going down the shitter and we are here arguing over strafing vs backpeddle? Cmooon.

[limber lion]

Because I assumed you were as well, that's why it was even a better weapon to use against you.

If it was for realskies, I would have been really disappointed and just stopped at that.

[idle star]

You cracked the case. A true who dunnit.

[fallen arch]

Game is fine, 9.1.5 changes look pretty good to me

[idle star]

U heard some random crap about maintenance mode in 2023

I*

Do i beleive it? Idk. Does Cev take jokes well?

[cursive silo]

a mmo champ post

[idle star]

Mmo champ is bae tho

[limber lion]

I've yet to mute anyone, let's not kill that streak.

But yeh, wouldn't believe any of the WoW leaks before they're confirmed by Blizzard.

[idle star]

I gtg to bed anyway. So im self muting for 8 hours.

[sturdy mesa]

night bud sleep tight ^^

[iron orchid]

what i like about the tease they did is they wrote "Class abilities reworks and buffs", not tuning or adjustments. Maybe we won't see another batch of nerf what's good, buff what's bad without further thinking