unless cev was just trolling
#assassination
wintry mica
oak sky
Idk
wintry mica
you have the buff anytime you are stealthed
wintry mica
yea it was mainly a meme about getting a huge frost proc
fallen arch
For m+ u wanna stack crit and then mastery
wintry mica
trust the sim, dungeon slice is pretty well optimized for rogue
oak sky
The sim is good, so whatever it tells you is probably correct, if you arent sure you can link it
Lol 3 @s
Poor guy
ember isle
Haha thanks for the quick response !
wintry mica
It seems like the MA shouldnt activate until you use an ability
im trying to think of a way to test this without needing someone to tank things for me
oak sky
Yeah
Vanish is wonky
And sitting in vanish always takes you out of combat even if immediately attacking sometimes doesnt
wintry mica
yea I could try it in an LFR, but id have to log it to have any chance of seeing if I actually have 90% crit for an extended period of time
rare bridge
Which mythic+ drop good daggers?
clear shadow
is dashing good in keys ?
oak sky
Zoldyck is typically the best option tbh
bronze fiber
Which mythic+ drop good daggers?
Mist
rare bridge
tyty!
spice spire
Domina’s oozing shiv 
twilit hollow
Pf 2 for 1 farm with phial
oak sky
already have 252 both 
dude everyone is gonna lose their minds at blizzard turning their brains on though
wintry mica
uhh
spice spire
Imagine not having phial after 62 runs there? @ my guild
wintry mica
so i think the vanish shit actually works
cerulean nest
wait they're pulling the ripcord
strange python
legion timewalking as m+
wintry mica
cant wait to do court of stars again said no one ever
oak sky
remote anima turn ins
wintry mica
remote anima turn ins
LUL took them long enough
get all this shit out of my fucking bags
obtuse robin
omfg they did it
wintry mica
the vanish shit
im testing it again just to make sure but im 99% sure it actually works lol
spice spire
Is the question whether or not bleeds crit while vanished?
obtuse robin
spice spire
If so yeah, that’s been known afaik
wintry mica
if you can just vanish and sit there with MA running
spice spire
Yes
oak sky
theres no way its worth
spice spire
It’s never amounted to a gain tho
wintry mica
but my giga frost set hit
spice spire
Oh for frost there’s a chance
I think Cev was talking about it recently
Not 100% though so don’t quote me 
spice spire
But for bleeds and stuff; it works, it’s not a gain tho lol
spice spire
dot up then exsanguinate vanish
You said the forbidden talent chief
oak sky
right
wintry mica
I thought they removed that back in SL beta
random fossil
clear shadow
im gonna try the stealth trick on mythic soulrebder prog
oak sky
no the real takeaway from this is that night fae is bis in 9.2
wintry mica
it definitely works
cerulean nest
no the real takeaway from this is that night fae is bis in 9.2
huh
wintry mica
dont know if 90% crits on the branded adds is actually worth just idling for a few gcds though
obtuse robin
what stealth trick
wintry mica
dots up vanish and chill with MA crit buff running
wintry mica
ye
obtuse robin
damn we got some sin tech going
oak sky
i think cev was talking about kt
wintry mica
with the brand i think it could be worth
manic pebble
how can I improve my fatescribe fight? idk what's wrong
rng always pick me to do mechanics
😠
wintry mica
yea dont get runic affinity
obtuse robin
well u answered ur own question
oak sky
on heroic pb probably does more tbh
wintry mica
ah
cerulean nest
big LOL at the green bois in here that have to figure out which covenant is best for each boss now
wintry mica
yea you wont get a high parse doing the cheese strat
arctic hare
Holy crap guys
manic pebble
I see
oak sky
i mean
manic pebble
guess I'll try to push my parse in pug then
oak sky
assassination will probably only ever run 2 covenants
wintry mica
even looking at your older kills
arctic hare
They’re getting rid of the covenant switch cooldown in 9.1.5
obtuse robin
nah 3
wintry mica
you had a kill at 232 ilvl where CT was 400k damage
arctic hare
I can’t friggin WAIT
obtuse robin
kyrian for poutlaw
cerulean nest
my spikes 🙂
wintry mica
and your most recent kill PB only did 70k
so thats a big difference even from a kill where you were like 10ilvl lower than you are now
wintry mica
yea I would be surprised if any top 100 parses did the cheese strat
clear shadow
I think thats huge for soulrender
maybe check the #1 sin parse for that cuz his CT did like 1 mill overall
mine barely did like 700k towards the end
obtuse robin
on render ct could be better for st aswell
well nvm it is cuz u pad frost on adds
atleast more con then pb
wintry mica
yea I cant find any logs of people actually doing it lol
fast frigate
Anyone else here struggling to do dps to syilvana? Some advices please?
quasi grotto
heroic?
wintry mica
do you have a log to link?
plucky isle
do you have a log to link?
spice spire
In a 12 minute fight you cast vendetta and vanish 4 times which is approximately the same as a 6:30 fight
Did you cast them during p2 at all?
plucky isle
yep
spice spire
Yeah so missing one a piece is a thing
plain thistle
@marble hemlock Resolved an issue where Kevin's Oozeling would remain after swapping Soulbinds. 
spice spire
You also overcapped on some CP.
plain thistle
I think they dont kevin very much, that was a quick fix
balmy condor
<@!210784027752398848> Resolved an issue where Kevin's Oozeling would remain aft...
Thanks internet explorer very cool 
plain thistle
oak sky
whispyr do the potential talent changes give you any hope
spice spire
Whíspyr loves 
flat pike
does it matter which armor slots you put sockets in assuming the set is completed..? ie. 3 frost in shoulder/head/chest as opposed to shoulder/hands/chest? my sim showing i should change slots for all the exact same gems for some reason..
oak sky
no
wintry mica
doesnt matter where you put the gems
flat pike
weird sims then lol
oak sky
the sim just has slight margin of error
final hull
Is it better to take DS legendary to M+ or should i use Zoldyck ?
flat pike
ah gotcha
oak sky
so different slots might have slightly different values
but its not because of the slots
wintry mica
zoldyck>dashing in M+ generally
flat pike
so different slots might have slightly different values
can you explain plz am confused :/
oak sky
you know how if you sim your gear twice in a row the value is like 2 dps different?
sometimes?
wintry mica
just ignore which slot it tells you to put it in, its likely just differences in simcs margin of error which is like 5 dps
wintry mica
yea no reason to even have any dom gem selected in top gear unless you are simming with an upgraded set or against a different set
final hull
so zoldyck with 3 frost shards + 1 unholy + 1 blood , talent usage 2,3,1,-,-,2,1 ,
wintry mica
m+ you usually go 2 unholy 2 frost 1 blood
final hull
oh ty
wintry mica
unholy aura frost shield and the 3 dps shards
final hull
and should i ust that big amount of crit which i use in frost set for raiding ?
wintry mica
yea crit is still going to be top stat in m+
for most people* i dont want to over generalize
oak sky
the sim might prefer less crit
final hull
ok so 45% is good 😄
oak sky
but sim dungeon slice to check
wintry mica
yea trust dungeon slice
we are lucky enough to have some crazy people that make sure dungeon slice is accurate for rog ue
final hull
😄
flat pike
ok thx
final hull
ok so i m going to simulate my 2 sets 😄
wintry mica
much nicer than playing boomkin where the only supported sim is patchwerk with different numbers of targets
oak sky
yeah for aoe they do like 5 patchwerk or something
wintry mica
yea if you wanted accurate m+ sims youd have to do like no lust 30 seconds with a variety of target numbers
dungeon slice much easier
just looking at top 100s it doesnt look like necro is "ahead" on anything but eye, so I wonder if we will really switch that much
oak sky
good players also arent playing necro
wintry mica
as you get further into mythic more of the top 100 is venth yea
oak sky
its the same thing as parsing on an unpopular class/spec
all the good players are doing something else, so the worse class appears even lower
wintry mica
true, I just thought there would be more fights favoring necro since theres really only guardian for ST
wintry mica
i think it makes sense, necro was chosen by sin rogues that were more interested in m+ for the most part
will be interesting to see what people are running when we can freely swap though, should be fun
oak sky
hmm
i mean for pad is one thing
but actually being better on bosses
probably arent many for necro
idk
most adds kinda dont matter at all
sand sigil
did i read something wrong? somewhere above i saw dont ct on ST. like 2 days ago. i thought u ct on ST outside of shiv. thats still the case right?
oak sky
with dashing you dont
sand sigil
ah ok interesting
halcyon zealot
with doomblade its a gain
sand sigil
i still been doing it so i guess ill stop
halcyon zealot
dashing is nuetral
oak sky
like do it if ur feeling it i guess
wintry mica
its a gain with anything but dashing as far as im aware
hollow talon
oak sky
yeah i think its like 30dps with other stuff
dull cloak
now that these 9.1.5 changes happened. What if aoe target cap is next
wintry mica
I was thinking theyd use that as a selling point for the next expansion
oak sky
its a lot of rebalancing
i wouldnt be too upset if it wasnt this expansion
that and faction restrictions would be hype for the next one but both arent coming 
opaque mauve
Target cap gone would be lovely
wintry mica
yea it would require too big of balance changes to happen mid expansion imo
at least no one will be able to complain if the 9.1.5 balance changes make a new cov bis
oak sky
yep night fae
jolly comet
oak sky
i better do the campaign on an alt so i dont have to do it with 9.1.5 
oak sky
i love stepsis 
wintry mica
so you have to have done the full campaign once to skip it?
wintry mica
i thought if you were high renown you just got to swap and still be high renown in the other cov
hopefully we dont have to grind renown for all 4 covs
hollow river
now that these 9.1.5 changes happened. What if aoe target cap is next
then the game will be awesome once more 
wintry mica
just play sv hunter
oak sky
i think you have to do the campaign on it again
mayb
and your renown gets passed over if you already have a character there
wintry mica
yea I guess we will have to wait and see PTR for specifics
oak sky
so like torgy is the last alt unfriendly thing
wintry mica
leggo recycling is helpful for that at least
can break down the stuff you dont need anymore and send the ash to alts
viscid spear
Gonna be fun leveling alts now
wintry mica
whats different about it
wintry mica
besides being able to skip the maw intro
hollow river
cov campaign skip?>
wintry mica
which when leveling is like 30 minutes for a full level of xp
wintry mica
oh you mean more gearing alts than leveling
viscid spear
Have quite a few at the low 50s because I dreaded all the shit at 60 like the extensive campaign and Torghast grind
hollow river
besides being able to skip the maw intro
you can skip cov campaign
thats like hours
of useless questing
after 60
wintry mica
yea, I thought you meant specifically leveling like 50-60
oak sky
renown gets passed too
hollow river
ohh
oak sky
wait you guys said that
viscid spear
Yeah your alts start at 3 Soulbinds
wintry mica
no it gives you the renown for the campaign if you skip
hollow river
but like
oak sky
thats a lot still
oak sky
and you get renown while leveling
hollow river
ive never finished NF campaign
wintry mica
they were saying you have to finish NF campaign on one character before you can skip it with another
spice spire
If so ez swap
hollow river
Have you done NF on a different toon?
no ):
viscid spear
Also get to keep cosmetics from any Cov
spice spire
Unluckers then
wintry mica
I just need to finish necro then
spice spire
never doing the emeni quest again
TRUE
hollow river
guess i need to finish NF on my shaman
wintry mica
yea I need an alt to do necro
oak sky
ill do nf on warrior
wintry mica
but who actually plays necro
wintry mica
yea I have like a 190 spriest
left to die after I hit 60 on it and realized i didnt like it
viscid spear
never doing the emeni quest again
I don't remember much about tge Necrolord campaign on my DK, what was the issue with the Emeni part?
oak sky
its annoying and far and long
hollow river
left to die after I hit 60 on it and realized i didnt like it
LOL
viscid spear
hollow river
xD
oak sky
or level other shit that i might now have time for with catchup
hollow river
u get renown while levelling?
wintry mica
i hope if we do have to get covs prepped that we find out soon
hollow river
pretty sure we do
hollow river
if u never done campaign before
wintry mica
no i mean like hitting 50+ renown in each cov
balmy condor
You have to be max renown for each covenant every week in order to swap but you can’t reach max renown for each covenant every week because you can’t catch up
wintry mica
oak sky
we're hitting cap in october
agile geode
i hope to dont have to swap cov every day for setups lol
oak sky
just have alts 4Head
balmy condor
It depends how annoying it’ll be
If you have to go to oribos, and then to your hall, and then do your soulbind
That’ll suck
slow marsh
i hope to dont have to swap cov every day for setups lol
That's the whole point though is to swap between fights
balmy condor
But imagine if you could just change on the soulbind UI itself similar to changing between soulbinds
oak sky
rest areas
balmy condor
That’s giga nut
agile geode
i'll remain loyal to necrolords till is good or playable
wintry mica
or that mockup where its just an extra row at the bottom of talents
wintry mica
i cant wait to see some people with some hideous mogs with pieces from all the covs
slow marsh
Necro shoulders
solemn plaza
wintry mica
yea kyrian wings are great
wintry mica
yea def better than the venth ground mounts
i dont think ive ever used the venth ground mounts
spice spire
I’ve done all covenant quest lines thank god
oak sky
the shardhides from korthia are just a better version of the venthyr ground mounts
wintry mica
yea
oak sky
i fw crimson shardhide HEAVY
wintry mica
i was mad about the venth rare mount too
shit looks exactly like the normal one just the tiniest bit darker
oak sky
yeah
alpine latch
So, we minmaxxing now boys?
venthyr for Korthia, obviously
Necrolord for Torghast
wintry mica
kyrian torg is pretty busted
alpine latch
Is it?
oak sky
fat ct or what?
alpine latch
I just know that the Necro shield can 1-shot floor bosses
oak sky
im actually amped though
i can stay venthyr sin but still fuck around with necro outlaw now
wintry mica
theres a kyrian power that resets the CD on ur cov ability whenever you hit the charged CP
and it counts as a builder so it gets the bonus damgae from chains
carmine latch
isn't it better to apply bleeds after vendetta, so when u apply them they deal more damage?
guides shows vendetta after bleeds applied
hollow river
do you have to have shards clicked on sim to sim a new dom socket piece?
im assuming so because 252 shoulders just simmed 1.3k low for me lmao which is frost set piece
wind totem
yeah of course
hollow river
kk
balmy condor
did not know that :p
Yeh snapshotting is a basically dead mechanic that only exists on niche talents and feral druid mainly
vestal wren
or assassination rogues who play subterfuge
alpine latch
Nice.
I'm gearing up a second rogue (mostly playing it Outlaw for m+), so I'll definitely check that out.
slow marsh
Necro if you get the right combo of two powers with ma leggo you can snipe bosses from 500 yards tho so idk which is more fun
slow marsh
True
Like cool I get 30% haste for 40 seconds, meanwhile Necro is sniping bosses across the instance
charred wraith
wdym haste lasting longer is very engaging
cerulean nest
what are initial thoughts about unlimited covenant swaps?
specifically for raid I mean
charred wraith
very cool
slow marsh
It means there's no reason not to swap between Necro and venth depending on the fight
gusty mirage
unless there's a stupid cap
"can only change covenants once a day"
which there inevitably will be
slow marsh
If there's a cap it'll defeat the whole purpose
gusty mirage
but this is blizzard my friend
assume the worst so you're always pleasantly surpised
watch it require renown 80 
slow marsh
Well true and I did until I saw the dev notes and them SEEMING go actually want to implement things that players have been asking for for awhile now
Yeah it probs will tbh
You have to have full renown to swap out without the penalty is what I see it being
charred wraith
i think the great solution will be a "tome" item, which would be bought for new/old shadowlands currency
by the time the 9.1.5. releases, i assume we will be around or at 80
cerulean nest
it does feel like an end of expansion "go crazy until next exp" type of system. which makes me worried we wont see 9.3 forever
slow marsh
I mean tbh by the time it rolls out it'll be largely pointless for the current raid tier
charred wraith
if the renown doesnt "transfer"... , well that means 150 torghast runs for renown
drowsy parcel
covenant swaps without cooldown - but it costs 35k anima
gusty mirage
it does feel like an end of expansion "go crazy until next exp" type of system. ...
Are you saying what I think you're saying?
No more shadowlands?
slow marsh
They have to drop it before November though so they need to have a loaded 9.1.5
cerulean nest
lol I mean no content whatsoever for the foreseeable future
slow marsh
And on top of being loaded they need to drop in next month
Or shortly after
(end of sept beginning of oct)
I mean I'm getting the vibe that they are going to just start dropping whatever they can and catering to players however they can while they work on 9.2 to drop that asap
Otherwise if endwalker drops without a considerable change in development and design philosophy they're for sure toast
kind talon
No more shadowlands?
POG
tribal marlin
Seems more and more clear that there will be no 9.3
It was already speculated lore wise
cerulean nest
so all we did was unite the covenants and invade the jailer's place, without putting a stop to his plan whatsoever
visual prairie
9.2 will be killing/defeating the jailer and then you think it's done?
kind talon
Oh
cerulean nest
what about anduin and sylv
cerulean nest
and like, northrend and lich king
wintry mica
they are gunna have a baby and its gunna be the 9.3 boss
oak sky
Jailer is the last boss though no?
cerulean nest
either that or like the first ones
oak sky
So if hes the boss of 9.2 thats it for shadowlands
No didnt they like
Say the jailer is the last boss
kind talon
Joe said it
oak sky
Wait
lavish stag
jailor is too big of a megamastermind to die in 9.xx
oak sky
Whos joe??????
kind talon
Joe mama
lavish stag
we will get him at 10.xx
kind talon
lavish stag
but we already have tier sets 
kind talon
kind talon
What did it do
kind talon
Wait this isn’t monk chat
oak sky
The visuals
oak sky
Ask a legion gamer 
But like
Class specific armor is sick
Hopefully they dont do each armor type but just with different effects bt class
By
arctic hare
Yeah
oak sky
But that could be ok iguess
arctic hare
I miss individual armor sets
oak sky
It would be fine with me if for 9.2 they did it by armor type then with "9.3" or 10.0 they went back to individual armor
Just a transition thing
last stirrup
Just went from necro > venth. been farming torghast layer 6 up until now (46 Renown) Haven't gotten any from the last 3 runs, should I just go higher or do something else?
balmy condor
Have you done campaign
last stirrup
ye, seemed like you had to do it to get renown from torghast at a certain point
Got raid sunday, hopefully 60+ is doable :d
delicate berry
I can't get my third frost domination shard to save my life
delicate berry
Not yet shudders slv on lfr
wintry mica
yea easier to do a normal pug probably
delicate berry
I joined a lfr 3rd wing to try for some shards they had like 10 stacks of determination or something on kt
wintry mica
lol yea
sounds about right
i havent done anything past wing 2 even on alts cause its just not worth the time
delicate berry
Anyone know if DS leg is worth using with unholy or should I switch to obedience for now
Until I get my frost set
wintry mica
just sim it, but they are probably pretty close
dashing was good even before frost buffs
delicate berry
Just figures since I have unholy set should use until I can find the third frost
wintry mica
yea it wouldnt surprise me if obe would outsim ds for you
delicate berry
Just would have to craft obd since I havent yet
oak sky
Doomblade is good as well if u have it
delicate berry
I haven't only zoldyck and ds so dar
oak sky
If u dont i wouldnt craft it now then
delicate berry
Just trying to tool around and get my s together before raid tonight
oak sky
Dashing isnt bad with unholy or anything
wintry mica
yea youll be fine with dashing
oak sky
Just doesnt pull ahead like with frost set
delicate berry
Dashing isnt bad with unholy or anything
That's more what I was wondering as most talks I see them talked about together frost + DS
oak sky
Dashing is very close to doomblade or obe with unholy, ur fine
Wait whoever was saying shit about renown cap messing with swaps was off
It says you just hit a certain renown level and its account unlocked
burnt star
You have to have full renown to swap out without the penalty is what I see it be...
They say high renown required for swap. My wild guess and one that also make sens with the lore is completing the 9.1 chapter.
It both require a "high enough renown" and lore wise also serve the purpose of what they want to implement (avoiding spoiler)
slow marsh
They say high renown required for swap. My wild guess and one that also make se...
well i hope that's the case but i'm gonna have the opinion it's 80 renown until proven otherwise tbh
burnt star
They didnt word it to be max renown
But. W/e. Anyways 9.1.5 is not before end of october.
And we will be max renown by the release the patch
9.0.5 wasnt big change and it took 2 month of ptr
Now theres a bunch of new stuff. Wich means lot of potential bug
limber lion
I love myself a QoL patch
hollow river
Cev Feral inc
safe linden
what soulbind and conduits do i use for AoE if im venthyr
limber lion
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
limber lion
what soulbind and conduits do i use for AoE if im venthyr
It doesn't really matter honestly.
Theotar and Nadja are both fine.
Same conduits as in single.
Maybe switching out WPS for LP.
but the differences are so small that it doesn't honestly really matter too too much
safe linden
Right on thank you
final hull
is there some crit cap ?
hearty dagger
Is Crit always the right secondary stats for raid in 9.1. or is there a cap ?
dawn ivy
crit is certainly your focus
but you gotta sim to see when haste becomes equal/better to stack
hearty dagger
Sound great thank you
dawn ivy
for some people it takes 47+ crit
fast frigate
How is your crit/haste balance?
dawn ivy
i have 44% crit 20% haste. crit is still leading haste a little bit
but i assume rank 5 frost might skew things a bit, not sure in what way
not getting it for another 2 resets
dawn ivy
grats 😢
dense hamlet
i still dont even have a normal shoulder even 
pure moth
Same
wintry mica
I should get mine after reset im hoping, i might be just short though
wanton creek
sharp zodiac
are you guys on pain still?
Yeah had a good week
obsidian socket
where da pin with the sims
solemn mason
whats prioity in key pulls getting rups up or CTs up when pulling 5+?
wintry mica
just CT after you get 4 garrotes up
limber lion
where da pin with the sims
solemn mason
cool thanks @wintry mica
slow marsh
Yeah had a good week
what strat did you guys do for pain?
sharp zodiac
Survive
slow marsh
lol pro strats
arctic hare
I can't wait to switch back to necrolord and mess around in it for a while again
wintry mica
i cant wait to try out some kyrian
solemn mason
so quick question CT caps at 5 targets right? if we pull 7-10 target big pulls are we double casting CT back to back to get on more targets?
ruby oyster
anyone remembers good trinkets from legion?
wintry mica
CT is 8 targets i believe
wintry mica
anyone remembers good trinkets from legion?
I assume umbral glaive from nighthold will still be op in legion timewalking
ruby oyster
if we can take them outside of TM i hope there is decent drop rate
ruby oyster
yeah im thinking which ones would be good at lvl 60, if we can use legion gear that is
solemn mason
imagine EoC from upper kara with frost shards
ruby oyster
we dont know yet
hollow river
have they ever done that before
ruby oyster
how its gonna work, but you can sim any old gear for funzies
m+ timewalking is brand new
hollow river
Yeah I know
I meant get relevant gear from time walking
I know you’ve been able to get catch up gear
They should bring back Mages Tower in timewalking
ruby oyster
we dont really know how its gonna work, i kinda would like to see legion drops usable at lvl 60 with current m+ gear scaling so lets say up to 246 (maybe vaullt)
but then we have timewalking only once every 3 or so months, and i dont want to spend a week trying to farm a single trinket because it wont drop for next 3 months
hollow river
I mean that’s be dope but
I wonder if they’ll go to the trouble of tuning that kinda stuff for max ilvl (or 246)
Thought we had timewalking every week or every other week or something
hollow river
but then we have timewalking only once every 3 or so months, and i dont want to ...
This also sounds horrid
dense hamlet
if they have low drop rates
ruby oyster
Thought we had timewalking every week or every other week or something
Yeah but it rotates different expansions, so TW is up quite often but it goes from tbc>wotlk>cata>mop>wod before it goes back to tbc, now we need to add legion in that rotation
hollow river
Oh so legion TW is completely new
It’d be nice if they just had all old m+ and raids relevant at all times like FF
But then u prolly struggle for groups in that content
And it’d either have to drop the same gear as current m+ or else it’d be way too much retuning needed
dense hamlet
group isnt the only thing you just add another set of stuff that u dont get and are timegated to farm
i mean i still dont have a shoulder from raid for frost not on any diff so i wouldnt wanna try that
fiery mauve
I’d like to not see legion gear in vault
Seeing as it only occurs on TW
I’d be happy for it to contribute to vault
For weekly, that’s cool
hollow river
i mean i still dont have a shoulder from raid for frost not on any diff so i wou...
Yeah I literally just got a chest piece yesterday and I was missing shoulders until a couple weeks ago too
dense hamlet
i mean i have my set
hollow river
And I’ve been raiding heroic clears since they came out, give or take a couple weeks of prog
hollow river
I had all my shards before I had all sockets for sure
Crazy to me people don’t have shards yet
dense hamlet
yeah me too and its kinda very cringe that me neither have a shoulder or the chest
hollow river
You either aren’t full clearing every week or you started late?
dense hamlet
i have been
hollow river
I meant about shards
hollow river
Sockets I can understand
dense hamlet
shards are easy to get
hollow river
Ye
dense hamlet
just kill bosses or kill sylv
hollow river
Sockets harder to get especially if u didn’t clear sylvanas for a while like my last guild that’s still progging sylvanas
dense hamlet
but getting gear is so cringe i even have 3 friend with me to trade i havent seen neither me or them drop it
like idk
hollow river
O.o
dense hamlet
maybe cursed
hollow river
Do u have dagger
dense hamlet
nop
dense hamlet
i actually did lfr sylv and first boss for transmog
hollow river
Lmao
I need to but Lfr is just torture
They don’t even ready check most of the groups I’ve seen
Cringe
dense hamlet
its w/e you just go in md tank and pull
hollow river
I was playing sub and they scuffed my prepull
hollow river
Hahaha
dense hamlet
?
spice spire
fathom flax
9.1.5 sounds cool but I bet other classes will get buffs and not rogues
Because we’re pretty solid across the board rn
hollow river
Well we could use a little help in aoe
But based on how they seem to balance, we are meant to be the ST pumper
slow marsh
I mean they listed talents as one of their focus points so maybe we will get some talent changes like we need
hollow river
Like atm I wouldn’t call rogue a “meta” pick
We’ll see
Only keys I get invited to are Venthyr keys
And usually the skip in those dungeons too
slow marsh
demo is more the ST meta pick cuz you can pump it with two buffs instead of just 1
hollow river
I meant m+
ruby oyster
Maybe we'll get burst of speed back :)
nocturne geode
iron geode
hello everyone
manic pebble
Hello fellow rogue player
hollow river
Assassins, assemble
iron geode
i have a quick question regarding stats if thats ok
hollow river
What’s up
iron geode
so in m+ is there a recommended haste where i shouldnt go below
hollow river
Nope
Just use raidbots and sim your gear for dungeonslice for m+
I’ve seen someone play m+ with 0-5% haste
Because priority stats shift to crit/mast in aoe
But it’s no big deal either way
iron geode
oh wow gotcha, i did feel 28% mastery was kinda low
iron geode
i have a few times, normally my stats are 26-26-28 but i wasnt sure if i should look into more mastery
hollow river
Ilvl or more main stat (agility) is usually best
iron geode
oh yeah sorry these are all same item level stuff
hollow river
You can sim Droptimizer for each dungeon
And it’ll show u the best pieces to get
But I wouldn’t worry too much about secondary stats honestly
iron geode
oh? i just wasnt sure if not having a threshold of x-haste or x-mastery would effect my dps overall
burnt star
smoke bomb was hyper hint on 2 interview, obiously wouldnt be in 9.1 cause when it was hint, we were on 9.1 ptr
i can expect it to be in this 9.1.5 ptr
hollow river
oh? i just wasnt sure if not having a threshold of x-haste or x-mastery would ef...
No it won’t
oblique parcel
Hello friends i need some help with these sims here how can it be i sim this much higher as necro?
gusty mirage
did you select lashing scars as a conduit?
hollow river
Shard bonus isn’t on for Venthyr?
That’s a bigggg discrepancy
Something is definitely wrong if this is simmed against Venthyr
oblique parcel
did you select lashing scars as a conduit?
I forgot lashing
burnt star
u didnt pick lashing scar
hollow river
I’m on phone I can’t see everything
oblique parcel
Simming againn
oblique parcel
30 dps and this is without the enhanced
burnt star
i feeel i could bring your number higher
burnt star
enh conduit isnt really a gamechanger for us
oblique parcel
I also sim turbo shit
oblique parcel
Cuz weapons don't exist
oblique parcel
Kek
burnt star
since im using a 226 lashing
hollow river
oblique parcel
But still
burnt star
i just simed a 252 lashing
burnt star
2 rank is less increase then 1 socket
hollow river
The difference should be more with more crit and more gear
But
Even at top gear levels the difference is like 2%
burnt star
i mean overall its not gonna skyrocket from 22 to 50
oblique parcel
The difference should be more with more crit and more gear
Not that badly geared
burnt star
for a empowered lashing
oblique parcel
This was with dashing
hollow river
Because that’ll widen the gap a bit too
oblique parcel
in the sim
oblique parcel
Maybe 750 crit is too little?
hollow river
I have rank 5
oak sky
Dude your daggers are baaaad
strange python
zoldyck goes on pants right?
oak sky
Yes
strange python
tyty
idle shard
why are almost every necrolord rogue using doomblade instead of dashing?
harsh lantern
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mUy2Qb15oJgyryFKhSTyyV phial and weap still need upgrade but 10k gang 
plush garnet
Where are you guys using flag in your opener?
ivory hinge
Went from necro to venth after raid. With a preexisting 40 renoun on venth.
I'm up to 51 now is torg reliable enough to grind the remaining
idle shard
Man I kinda wanna go back to necro
lmao
thats why I was asking about the legendary :p
ivory hinge
It does feel weird without sbs
idle shard
what do u mean without sbs
ivory hinge
You said you wanted to go back to necro. I said it feels weird without sbs?
idle shard
oh u asking xD
harsh lantern
Where are you guys using flag in your opener?
im using my b4 full rupture
idle shard
You said you wanted to go back to necro. I said it feels weird without sbs?
been venthyr for a while now, but idk, I kinda miss the covenant and the sbs indeed lol
wouldnt say weird, but I miss throwing sbs to targets
lol
bad thing is I gotta spam torghast to craft dashing tho
ivory hinge
Yeah. Last night I was doing dailies as venth for renoun and felt quite naked without my spikes
idle shard
its also cool when it crits
ivory hinge
Lol yeah
manic haven
How do you guys like to open on the nine? Get garrote and rupture up on both and then send vendetta or?
fathom flax
Normal open on one, don’t flag, swag to other mut to 3/4 garrotte flag rupt then vend vanish
I only have purple parses tho
idle star
im simming for rank 5 frost set at 240 ilvl and im still not cracking 10k dps ST... some of you guys must have BiS gear or some crap
stray mural
I've been lurking on the assa io leaderboards. Is Maim, Mangle actually relevant? I've seen a LOT of it in the top 100 compared to the supposed it's trash viewpoint.
fathom flax
Makes your doom blade stronger
stray mural
I do be having a 262 doomblade tho
Also surprised to see a couple higher end players using poison bomb over tempest. Maybe it's a comfort thing.
fathom flax
If you’re don’t have to move or it’s just ST PB wins
balmy condor
maim is just a sim it
and if its good
you use it
for venth it's usually right under wps
for necro it's usually up there
hollow river
why are almost every necrolord rogue using doomblade instead of dashing?
because dashing isn't an upgrade for most necrolord rogues
ebon notch
@balmy condor why doesn't the poison damage conduit gain value with dashing setup?
balmy condor
it does
burnt star
Ill have to gear compare I guess
the other reason is because sbs bleed increase doomblade power
idle shard
the other reason is because sbs bleed increase doomblade power
yeah I forgot about that lol
ebon notch
Yh but not enough to sim over shiv or flag conduit
ebon notch
Fair
idle shard
whats the best renown farming way after doing the campaign and being around 44 renown?
idle shard
with all the campaign done?
fathom flax
Campaign / callings / world bosses
oak sky
monk alt is the move idk
gusty mirage
hopping on the bandwagon i see
I've had my monk alt since 9.0
hollow river
spice spire
I've had my monk alt since 9.0 <:kekg:866683121486135296>
Wasn’t it ur main for a bit?
arctic hare
Welp, looks like I've gotta have rank 4 for the frost set to be better for me
idle star
My gear is really far from bis haha
Youre 246 ilvl. Its pretty dam good
Not raiding mythic really stunts your ilvl lolololololol
restive dawn
Hello! Just started upgrading my frost shards and I was wondering if I needed to be in melee range when the “Winds of Winter” effect happens for it to do damage or if it will still do damage even when I’m running around doing mechanics?
fathom flax
Youre 246 ilvl. Its pretty dam good
With a blue ring 😦
I got shamed off by a hunter in my raid on Wednesday
Big sad
indigo valley
Can anyone look over this log and see if I'm messing anything up? I feel like I'm barely getting above 70s for any of the mythic bosses.
slim pebble
How do I sim a leggo in gear compare to figure out if its worth making a dashing
fathom flax
Gear compare sets, add item
slim pebble
I am doing that but when I type in Dashing Scoundrel nothing comes up
slim pebble
TY ty ty
idle star
Wow going maintenance mode :(
idle star
2023 its going maintenance mode. End of an era
zinc frost
Surely you didn’t take that mmo champ post seriously
balmy condor
oak sky
confirmed maintenance mode on the day of the 9.1.5 outline
brazen zodiac
hey, may you guys give me your input on this report? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tyLzLy7BLPTty7gUtWNFgj im curious why its saying my current rings are better than the entwined ring. the crit seems big, esp with dashing. trying to figure out what legendary to upgrade next now that my set's rank 4.
balmy condor
hey, may you guys give me your input on this report? https://www.raidbots.com/si...
Rank 5 will push some more crit, but it’s kinda the item level + socket pushing the ring. Having more stats is usually just better than having perfect stats, also part of the reason why ilevel is so important
Dashing would bring the go to
Sim seems completely reasonable
brazen zodiac
ah okie dokie i assumed it was reasonable but was just wondering
i kinda prioritize stats too much but i should remember the famous "fuck yo stats" sayin
what determines the rank of your set? i was told the rank of the lowest shard determines but im not sure
balmy condor
Yep
5/5/1 will be rank 1 bonus
4/4/4 is rank 4
That’s why you should level the gems of your set evenly
All the way to 5
brazen zodiac
so if i have a desolate shard of kyr as my lowest, my set would be a rank 3?
even tho i have the 2 other at port?
balmy condor
Yes
brazen zodiac
ah so i pwned myself okie dokie
safe patrol
is it okey to ask if someone is willing to take a quick look over my logs in DM/PM?
hollow river
for me the entwined ring at 249 simmed lower than 239 haste ring, but only for a specific set up
brazen zodiac
someone mentioned that the sim automatically sims the enhanced conduit but its still showing my flag at 85% instead of 95, is there a setting i need to click?
trying to sim WPS as my enhanced without using conduit energy lol
balmy condor
trying to sim WPS as my enhanced without using conduit energy lol
The golden ring on your soulbind is the empowerment
balmy condor
is it okey to ask if someone is willing to take a quick look over my logs in DM/...
Can post here or dm
brazen zodiac
on the sim or in game
balmy condor
It is late for me so would have to wait though
balmy condor
on the sim or in game
In that screenshot
brazen zodiac
ohhh i see what you mean now thanks
balmy condor
Np
brazen zodiac
how would i change the two though?
im assuming that lashing would come first since its above the rest, so is there a way to move well-placed above or
balmy condor
Uh you can select a third conduit
twilit hollow
does assassination on the PI spreadsheets gain much if any value for the frost set/dashing setup?
balmy condor
And itll compare all 3
balmy condor
does assassination on the PI spreadsheets gain much if any value for the frost s...
Not really, no
brazen zodiac
ah okie
twilit hollow
gotcha, was wondering if the haste would help add enough damage events to stack up frost faster
balmy condor
It would but it’s not that meaningful
People tend to really overestimate the effect of haste
balmy condor
Like “oh sin under 15% haste feels terrible, but it feels fine at 25%”
Like that kind of thinking
Kinda seeps into a lot of stuff
twilit hollow
buff make brain go brrr
balmy condor
Yeh pretty much
10% haste equates to roughly 3 more casts per minute
Which isn’t all that noticeable realistically
But people get 3-4% haste and swear it feels like a completely invigorated and new spec
Kinda wild
twilit hollow
dotn most people say haste cause of the energy regen less so for the additional casts per minute
balmy condor
Well that’s the thing
Haste for the energy regen
And additional casts per minute
Are the same thing
Sin is limited by energy
3 casts per minute is about 150 extra energy a minute
twilit hollow
fair actually
balmy condor
Which roughly napkin maths out to 1.5 energy a second, 10 energy per second baseline, 10% would be 1 energy, .5 from dots
Kinda makes sense
brazen zodiac
sin rogue my first class/spec i ever played (first exp too), im kinda stuck in that feel where 24% feels better than 13% but probs just psyching myself hardcore lmfao
what does this mean on the sim report by the way "Highlighted rows are sidegrades" >.<
balmy condor
So sims have a margin of error
Usually for single target these days it’s around 6 dps
So if something sims within that margin of error
It’s considered a side-grade
brazen zodiac
ah okay
balmy condor
Like an upgrade, but it’s not an upgrade, nor a downgrade, it’s close enough
So it’s a side-grade
:D
brazen zodiac
:DD!
i re-ran the sim i posted earlier and it went down 40 dps after re-applying the IQD excuse checkbox. weird stuff
.<
balmy condor
Yeah iqd does raw damage when you cast it on low health targets
You can disable it by just not targeting something and then casting it
Which would then give stats again
balmy condor
Like it just does a hit of damage
balmy condor
Iqd is a very weird trinket
brazen zodiac
yeah i realized that when i pressed it and my healer said "yo thanks for the mana bitch"
lmfao
i didnt know it could break cc and all other fancy stuff
pretty fun trinket tbh.
balmy condor
Yeah I find that to be the stupidest fucking argument of them all
fallen arch
Whisp
worthy cliff
Yeah I actually had this effect on me, I went down to 19% haste and feel like I'm casting like super sloow