Jeez that’s a lot of haste y’all got there
#assassination
radiant dirge
spice spire
gusty mirage
yes fix soulbinds cheese that are used by 0.1% of the playerbase
what did you expect them to fix real problems? 
the 3.5 people still working for blizzard right now are busy shredding
limber swallow
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/266712108861751296/8800507831759...
oh, that explains how I had it at 99% uptime in keys last night... and here I thought I had finally figured it out
spice spire
plain thistle
don't forget the new appearances for nightborn and void elves
hey, we can solo island expedition now
gusty mirage
hey, we can solo island expedition now
I completely forgot about the greatest feature coming in 9.1.5
smh
dull cloak
I'm an islands enjoyer.
real bay
enjoyered a lot of islands in bfa
raven vapor
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
pseudo hamlet
Do higher ilvl items gives stronger bonus sets?
Like do Kel'Thuzad drops stronger shoulders than Terragrue? (not in terms of ilvl/stats, just asking about the bonus set)
prisma cypress
no
thorn fjord
Was looking around and couldn't find it but im assuming UH shard set is still the way to go R4 right?
thorn fjord
Thought shards were still buggy... r4 UH seems much higher for me than frost
Cool
Sims*
violet jackal
you probably don't have the crit to make frost good
prisma cypress
my crit is around there and i think r4 unholy and frost sim about equal
violet jackal
what covenant?
thorn fjord
Venth
echo cargo
47% Crit Venth and frost is waaaay higher for me
rocky pecan
Stat weight suck
pseudo hamlet
17% here and everything is fine. 🙂 With Dashing gives you really nice regeneration buff!
frigid kestrel
Ye, that high crit make up for the regen you miss with high haste
I’m at %10 haste and everything is cool and smooth
thorn fjord
yeah i get that
but it just feels left fluid
i like to press buttons LOL
less fluid*
frigid kestrel
It “feels” like my CPM went up with high crit Dashing vs High Haste Doom
slow wadi
Kevin is fixed now
pseudo hamlet
less fluid*
Less fluid? It sometimes feels like an outlaw rogue with adrenaline rush >.<
alpine latch
lol
fallen arch
Kevin is fixed now
It is?
spice spire
Yes
fallen arch
I’m sad and glad at the same time
spice spire
gloomy rose
got knocked with cloak in the pizza on nerzhul, does it not work against it? I think I used it before fine
gloomy rose
ok, thanks
fallen arch
Hasn’t ever worked afaik
gloomy rose
yeah its possible I just sometimes get lazy in a bad spot and press cloak
strange python
guys do u have some updated chart with PI dps increase on all dps specs?
fallen arch
Don’t go down that road, we’re probably not worthy enough to ask for it
fallen arch
It’s from 1000 tweaks and tunrs ago tho
cursive silo
For frost set specs yea maybe
frigid kestrel
It’s from 1000 tweaks and tunrs ago tho
You are worthy of everything
alpine latch
I'm about to start running m0s to get my phial 😢
pseudo hamlet
Why m0s? Do +15 x10 you will have a chance to get it from the weekly 🙂
alpine latch
I'm not actually running m0s. Just bitching, really.
I need a 252 MH far more than I need a 252 Phial
Given the option of both I'd take the dagger
Based on the sims I've ran, a 252 dagger is worth a fair bit more than a 252 Phial (and the bump from 246 to 252 is much higher on a dagger than Phial)
gloomy rose
it surprised me how often even with 35% crit I get two CP from mutilate in opener
wintry mica
bruh i feel you
gloomy rose
makes me often question if I even started stealthed
wintry mica
shit still happens to me at 41%
dull cloak
hey man, it's just missing 2 90%
wintry mica
isnt that like 1/100 chance?
dull cloak
ye
narrow ravine
if you had a choice between a phial and a weapon id say go with phial, its extremely more rare than any random weapon, there are lots of weapons to roll into and only one phial
you will get probably see 5 more 252 weapons before you see phial again
alpine latch
if you had a choice between a phial and a weapon id say go with phial, its extre...
Sure, but the DPS difference you gain between a 252 weapon and a 252 Phial isn't the same. The dagger is much higher. However, you're right in the fact that a Phial is in theory 4x rarer than a dagger from the GV
wintry mica
if ur thinking purely from going for bis gear I kind of agree, but a 252 wep is a phat upgrade for some people
you wont replace a 252 phial until next tier
narrow ravine
I just dont want you to be disappointed after getting more and more weapons you dont need
wintry mica
well maybe 252 sack becomes bis but i doubt it
alpine latch
I just dont want you to be disappointed after getting more and more weapons you ...
That's true... Although, in 4 weeks my WoW time will be cut down, so I don't know how many more 252 daggers I'll be getting.
I'll probably get sucked in D2R for a while
narrow ravine
been playing sin too long, tried to go back to outlaw and everything felt off
like why am I having to refresh this so often!
ebon notch
how come haste is still simming so highly with frost set
is it because you're meant to stack crit and not completely ignore haste or
gloomy rose
it changes quite a lot with rank of frost set
on rank 3 I had haste and crit about the same, on rank 4 it shows crit way ahead
iron orchid
on souljudge or save it for sylvanas burn?
Depends on how hard it is for your guild to get through the last add platform
if you are on a farm run, it can also depend on where you plan to use your cds in the last phase
shadow pivot
depending on your guild/random pug group the souljudge might die in 5-10s in hm too, which makes vendetta kinda wasted
iron orchid
If you know your guild is going to lust on 3rd platform and down sylv there, cd usage could be souljudge, 1st platform, 3rd platform
wintry mica
i flag summoner on 2nd platform
iron orchid
I used to full burst and solo an add on the last platform on our first few kills, which helped a lot at the time
wintry mica
you can also just second pot on the second adds platform if you used one on pull
woven ruin
Are we trusting hero damage or bloodmallet more right now? Getting different numbers between the 2
solemn plaza
just use either as a general guideline and sim yourself
slow marsh
Are we trusting hero damage or bloodmallet more right now? Getting different num...
They are using old info and we've gone through two different optimization changes since then
Use raidbots and sim yourself
slim pebble
What’s the best opener with SBS in m+ on aoe? Playing subterfuge
slow marsh
Garrotes into sbs spread to build for rup
limber lion
What’s the best opener with SBS in m+ on aoe? Playing subterfuge
gar gar gar gar ct sbs sbs rup sbs rup
(if you have snd already up)
slow marsh
Cev with the step by step. Best cf
limber lion
it honestly doesn't matter that much. You just make sure to use all 3 sbs charges, use all 3-4 garrotes, have snd/ct up and then just apply ruptures to everything
slim pebble
Thank you 😁
limber lion
Cev with the step by step. Best cf
verbal mantle
obtuse robin
so after seeing infexious name in here all the time i finally tuned into his stream and my god his ui is fucking nasty
gusty adder
is loosing 13 ilvl on cloak and 17 on legs worth going zoldyck over doomblade in m+?
balmy condor
is loosing 13 ilvl on cloak and 17 on legs worth going zoldyck over doomblade in...
Probably not
Just say you’re doing prio/boss damage
Group will understand for sure
gusty adder
Alright. I mean, Dslice agrees with you, just wasnt sure if it was a trap
limber lion
https://tenor.com/view/crow-bird-gif-8893786
balmy condor
Alright. I mean, Dslice agrees with you, just wasnt sure if it was a trap
Yeh seems reasonable
limber lion
Alright. I mean, Dslice agrees with you, just wasnt sure if it was a trap
Hate to break it to you, but Doomyboy pulls ahead Zoldyck in dslice pretty often even at similar item levels, but we still tend to stick to Zoldicky.
narrow ravine
in dslice dashing is not too far behind zoldyck anyway, I find it a good all around legendary right now
balmy condor
Zoldyck usually proves better for group reasons tbh
limber lion
I wouldn't play Dashing in keys :( but you do you
balmy condor
But it’s hard to sim that
cursive silo
But deathspike
cursive silo
Zoldyck usually proves better for group reasons tbh
People always cd at the beginning of the pack so zoldyck more value 5Head
winged kindle
I’ve had decent success in some dungeons with Doomblade where the pull sizes aren’t too large
ToP, Spires and PF mainly
balmy condor
People always cd at the beginning of the pack so zoldyck more value 5Head
I mean it’s completely true
narrow ravine
I just got a 252 crit/haste cape, so I can make Zoldyck next
just using dashing at the moment as it still seems to do well enough
getting close to the 10k club
and doom is simming higher than dashing by 18 dps again
alpine latch
My sims have always put Dashing/Obe/Doomblade within like 55 DPS of each other
glass tulip
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
glass tulip
Dagger sims for Sylv are no longer pinned, anyone still have those?
heavy cedar
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
bleak sky
I just got a 252 crit/haste cape, so I can make Zoldyck next
if you're venthyr, playing obedience in keys feels super nice
narrow ravine
I am a necro currently
bleak sky
F
glass tulip
F
narrow ravine
SBS is fun, and more interesting to work with
feel like if I went venthyr id feel like a part of my rotation was gone
agile geode
old halo
can rogue solo cloack soak the big circle on the nine?
limber lion
Yes.
old halo
Sweet, ty, progging tonight on them
thin imp
Can someone help me with this log? I have quite decent logs in other bosses but seems like sylvanas is my kryptonite
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AyPgqDjtzW2XR1FL#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=4
versed mica
I don't like SBS, it feels very clunky
It's good
But I just don't like the playstyle
old halo
the shield tho OP
versed mica
It is nice yeah
woeful meteor
Can someone help me with this log? I have quite decent logs in other bosses but ...
You didn’t vendetta during lust and your flag was at the end of it also you didn’t pot during lust try to plan your cds in a way that you get those 3 inside bloodlust
old halo
frost set R5/ecro shield EZ 90's parse for healing
woeful meteor
You can also pot on pull
pure moth
Can someone help me with this log? I have quite decent logs in other bosses but ...
You may want to check your talents as well. I noticed the amount of ambushes you had.You're running blind side and deeper. Those aren't talents we generally would take for the fight.
dusk void
I’m a lazy fuck and just pot on vendetta.
woeful meteor
I’m a lazy fuck and just pot on vendetta.
Isnt that the right move in most scenarios?
old halo
ep/vigor > bs/ds feels better to play
gloomy rose
regarding the pooling until 30 energy from max in FAQ, does it still apply even with vigor / ep? doesn't maximizing EP uptime do more than pooling for envenom?
old halo
envenom go brrrrr
hollow river
I think with vigor you can pool to like 40-50 from max
anyone have tips for painsmith prog
old halo
not there yet but saw a shadowstep macro you can put on a hunter
deft obsidian
Don’t shadowstep balls
😂
There’s a gap in the wall now so no need to step people, can just run the gauntlet with all the gang
kind talon
@hollow river keep alacrity up during intermission
deft obsidian
FoK on orbs for easy boss funnel and resetting cor shard is nice too
But depends on your priority damage on balls, 1st kill I was on each ball but farm now the balls disappear
subtle tundra
pretty sure if you want to funnel into boss, mutilate is better
deft obsidian
Was more for when you pass through I always FoK for a cor reset
subtle tundra
well, yea, for that its worth it
wintry mica
and its worth it for all the poison damage feeding your frost proc
viral moat
I apologize if this has been asked before, but is there any reason why the frost set is simming so badly for me? I simmed R5 frost set, R5 unholy set and R5 blood and R5 UH is 2.4% better than my current gear which is R5/R4/R4 UH. Frost R5 set is simming worse than my current gear. Is it because Patchwerk isnt a representative fight or is it because my stat priority isnt ideal?
here are my stats
violet jackal
crit too low
wintry mica
yep
viral moat
what should i be aiming for for frost?
wintry mica
40%+
old halo
crit low af
heavy coral
got 44% on me and frost doing top2 dmg 
wintry mica
yea i have pulls where frost is my top damage at 41
old halo
top dmg at 39% for me
wintry mica
first easy fix I see is replace that haste crafted ring with a crit one
viral moat
right now I have 112 embers I can either use to upgrade the last 2 UH or use it to upgrade frost to R4/R3/R3, not sure what I should do. Yes subcreation says that all the top sin rogue parses are all frost and its all top 3 of their damage. I guess i will stack more crit then
and save my embers to upgrade frost to R4/R4/R4 next week
old halo
frost set heals a ton too
wintry mica
frost set definitely has more survivability than unholy
viral moat
is it worth using the frost set for me with crit so low? im guessing prob not, but should be worth saving the embers rather than spending them on R5 unholy
prisma cypress
unholy has no defensive component at all, does it
drifting cloud
you are literally losing 100+ dps from not having 4th dom item
with frost set
because you need something to put dyz in
wintry mica
is it worth using the frost set for me with crit so low? im guessing prob not, b...
you should sim the gems you currently have and see
violet jackal
speed is kind of a defensive you don't take damage if you dodge the swirlie 🤔
wintry mica
unholy leeches a tiny amount of health too
viral moat
simming a big loss so im guessing no. but since i want to get the frost set its prob worth saving the embers while i farm more crit gear rather than spend them to max out unholy
wintry mica
yes
old halo
agreed
wintry mica
frost is definitely bis at higher levels of gear
viral moat
thanks for the advice, you all just helped me avoid making another big mistake 😄 (the first one was upgrading the dps UH shard to portentous because UH simmed well for me at the time, what a waste of shards that was
embers*
wintry mica
yea ive got dyz at r4 cause I was boosting my unholy set before the buffs to frost
hopefully should get r5 frost finally next reset
old halo
r5 slaps
deft obsidian
Yeh I’m like 25 shards from r5. Gimme
viral moat
i should get enough embers for R5 frost in 2 weeks, R4 next week but gotta work on the crit gear to get to around 40%
old halo
so cloossse
wintry mica
i need 62 embers
old halo
which is why we play vigor, got to drop that a haste a little
wintry mica
but i havent done more than a couple bosses so far this week
deft obsidian
On the topic of self healing though, I’m digging seeing that huge absorb appear just as raid damage hits
wintry mica
yea its no blood set but its pretty good
deft obsidian
Not tried blood at all, prog be over before I could get it to a decent rank. Guess we’ll see it a few weeks
wintry mica
just looked at a random eye kill and like half my damage taken the whole fight was absorbed
balmy condor
I apologize if this has been asked before, but is there any reason why the frost...
btw this MS paint lettering
is very good
I suck at ms paint writing
wintry mica
I just use the shapes for like arrows and stuff, its impossible to actually write letters
cursive silo
Its just like writing
wintry mica
I have bad handwriting irl, let alone in ms paint with a mouse
deft obsidian
I have bad handwriting irl, let alone in ms paint with a mouse
This tbh
thorny pond
I’m illiterate
thorny pond
Yea I can’t
deft obsidian
When I’m on occasion asked to sign something with a pen, my brain sweats
wintry mica
nah just do what I do and make your signature not even resemble your real name
thorny pond
Full fist pens like a toddler
deft obsidian
Full fist pens like a toddler
Legit, my kid will be showing me the way
thorny pond
Hi dad
wintry mica
I do like the first letter of each of my names and everything else is random scribbles
deft obsidian
nah just do what I do and make your signature not even resemble your real name
This happens by proxy
thorny pond
They let me buy a house with scribbles
deft obsidian
Legit had to sign a contract recently, could have been anyone 😂
wintry mica
problem with everyone running frost now is you dont get easy orange healing parses anymore
thorny pond
If I’m ever famous my auto graph will stump the pawn stars guys
wintry mica
everyone knows heal parses are the real ones
deft obsidian
everyone knows heal parses are the real ones
Need to go frost set theodar /W leech poisons Bois
old halo
On the topic of self healing though, I’m digging seeing that huge absorb appear ...
check my healing logs
wintry mica
Need to go frost set theodar /W leech poisons Bois
spam crimson vial on cd
thorny pond
Need to go frost set theodar /W leech poisons Bois
Low key kleia with leech as well slam vial on CD
old halo
everyone knows heal parses are the real ones
real end game
wintry mica
1.4k on guardian is what I call pumpin
wintry mica
its normal heal logs though lol
i probably had leech poison on instead of cheat death for the nine or something
wintry mica
lol
we had our blood dk get a super high healing parse because of their cheat death thing
wintry mica
they have some thing that reduces any damage they take when below 30% and I think he took 2 oblits and it absorbed 2.4M damage
yea i just looked 15.6k hps on heroic guardian and he was only 98% for blood dks
old halo
frost set always over 1K hps on herioc
wintry mica
frost by itself usually isnt doing 1k hps for me at least
its more li ke 7-800 usually but im only r4
just talking winds proc not the other frost gem absorbs
harsh lantern
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eyZxGz6GcfzLdiD3ASjUgf r5 almost 10k club
old halo
eww bs/ds
harsh lantern
tyty
wintry mica
Might break it with some valor into that phial
old halo
^
cursive silo
Yea valor that phial and that weapon
wintry mica
Then you’ll get one in the vault on reset
cursive silo
Smh
wide ridge
i won't get phial on vault if i spend my valor upgrading mine, it's all good 
oak sky
Talking heroic?
upbeat needle
ye
lunar elm
is there a difference in rotation when swapping from UH set and Doomblade to Frost Dashing
void pecan
Push buttons more.
lunar elm
which buttons push more do i
dawn ivy
its a normal rotation
nothing dramatic changes
might get a dozen more globals in a fight, but nothing massive
balmy condor
might get a dozen more globals in a fight, but nothing massive
SO YOURE SAYING IT FEELS BETTER?
HOW DOES IT FEEL
PLEASE
I NEED THE SPEED
charred wraith
drug propaganda hello
charred wraith
man, you gotta stay off this shit
balmy condor
I can't stop it
I have brain damage
I want slow specs to be fast
and fast specs to be faster
if my rotation doesn't have a built in typeracer mini-game, I'm out
plain thistle
balmy condor
wintry mica
it doesnt matter which way you face on remnant right you can still just hit shadowstep when the MD goes off?
dawn ivy
my brain thinks dashing feels better, even though it doesnt FEEL any different
wintry mica
you got that bit of extra energy regen
zinc frost
I mean both doomblade and dashing are passive increases so it shouldn’t feel different
wintry mica
it says it gave me 710 energy back over a 6.5 minute fight
dawn ivy
710 energy sounds like alot but then you see its like 14 mutilates
wintry mica
yea that same fight the bleed energy regen was 5k
dawn ivy
so I guess your best arguement is that it would slightly increase your envenom uptime
wintry mica
yea i mean like 5-10 extra casts over the course of the fight isnt too bad
fathom flax
HOW DOES IT FEEL
Feelcraft
visual prairie
when mass dispel on remnant. what do you do to stay on?
suddenly i can't stay on
if you're one of the 2 jokers
wintry mica
do you have the cast bar weak aura
spice spire
if my rotation doesn't have a built in typeracer mini-game, I'm out
I’m screenshooting this nonsense 
lunar elm
so when simming my chara
mystic fractal
hey folks, in opener, do we flag just before rupture?
mut-snd-mut-garrote-flag-rupture?
lunar elm
it says that Doomblade and UH is better than Dash Frost, could that be due to secondary stat?
spice spire
mut-snd-mut-garrote-flag-rupture?
Yes
spice spire
it says that Doomblade and UH is better than Dash Frost, could that be due to se...
Frost sims higher at higher gear levels
hollow river
O:
lunar elm
Frost sims higher at higher gear levels
so not necessarily better when not 252
lunar elm
30%
hollow river
That’s why probably
spice spire
that's real low
lunar elm
sorry
lunar elm
yea ig the haste isnt as important because dashing just gives energy with crit
hollow river
My haste is like 10% it’s really weird
Frost getting better with crit just outweighs your haste
For quite a while
I’m still running doomblade
But dashing sims +200 dps for me
lunar elm
and my dashing is 235 compared to Doom at 262
hollow river
Do you have gear of similar ilvl that’s crit heavy?
hollow river
Try Top Gearing with more gear chosen that’s crit heavy, and 262 dashing
lunar elm
i feel like you kinda need the sylv ring for the crit
hollow river
Or PF ring is good too
Atm I’m using sylvanas ring and Painsmith ring which is actually haste heavy and has crit still
lunar elm
yea even simming higher crit its says doom is just better
hollow river
Hmm idk
Imo getting crit to 35-40 would probably swing it in frosts direction
But I’m no expert either
I’ve also been using M ocular gland for an extra 2%
But you have phial and amp so idk if that’d even help
Oh you don’t have phial
lunar elm
i dont have phial
hollow river
Do u have eye trinket
lunar elm
ye
hollow river
That’s why then lol
Didn’t even notice
Try simming it at 4 or 5 with your crit gear
Against 4 or 5 UH
wintry mica
frost was winning for me even at rank 3
deep solstice
I had quite a few pulls on M Sylv tonight where my flag built up but I did not get the stats at the end. Is there any kind of known bug that would be causing this?
hollow river
But yeah at 230 ilvl with 32-35% crit frost rank 3 simmed higher than UH rank 4
My power just went out in the middle of a pug
lunar elm
yea i think the ilvl of my leggo and my crit kinda affects it aswell
lunar elm
well its not for some reason
lunar elm
thats not what im seeing
hollow river
with more crit/262 dashing frost would win both
lunar elm
i have more crit now
i just found 8% more crit chilling
okay so now with 38 crit its 200+ dps increase
at level 4
hollow river
lunar elm
its called buying a boe ring
hollow river
haha
lunar elm
hollow river
sometimes you do what you gotta do
lunar elm
yea
fleet anchor
I wouldn't play Dashing in keys :( but you do you
FWIW, honestly don't really feel like it's that much different than running Doomblade. Like Doomblade you'll only get value with Mutilate, at least with Dashing you'll still get crit value on your poison procs while FoK/CTing and you will get the full Envenom bonus unconditionally with Dashing compared to Doomblade where you won't always have the Mutilate DoT up.
The only real non-bo with Dashing is that you don't want to use CT in ST with Dashing so you lose some value there on bosses compared to Doomblade. But this is pretty side-gradey with the loss of the Mutilate DoT in AoE.
At least for me they sim within like 0.3% of each other in DS, so really very similar damage profiles.
vocal stone
Hey guys. Just that i dont miss understand it. The best Assa DPS is atm with Dashing and Frost set but as Venthyr ?
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
then don't
balmy condor
like why would you do that
you going venth vs necro has 0 impact on your raids ability to kill things
vocal stone
I just went Necro for "assa raid and outlaw M+" but as it seems sub is even with outlaw in m+
fleet anchor
SBS has some intangible benefits on a number of fights too, it's not really all loss imo
vocal stone
so i would go anyways back vent ig
fleet anchor
For example Necro still has slightly higher average performance on Fatescribe than Venthyr
You get some more uptime from SBS on the tank adds and split intermission adds, etc.
In reality they end up being very close in a lot of situations
Across all fights Necro marginally overperforms on parses due to a few factor, slightly higher on some fights, slightly lower on Guardian and some other fights.. it's really a wash
Both are so close there is not really much concern one way or another
But Necro is not as good for Sub if you plan on playing Sub
So that's certainly a consideration
vocal stone
well but this 6% difference between Necro Doomblade Frost and Vent Dashing frost seems kinda big tbh 😄 And the thing that i can play Sub rogue atm good in M+ is also fine
fleet anchor
I mean that is theorhetical difference in BiS gear with double Mythic Daggers
vocal stone
I mean that is theorhetical difference in BiS gear with double Mythic Daggers
yea sure
fleet anchor
That will matter far more for 9.1.5 parsing than actually playing currently 😛
Across all raid encounters right now there is really no significant difference: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/28#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&combatantinfo=Covenants
balmy condor
👏 necro 👏 is 👏 fine 👏 venthyr 👏 is 👏 fine 👏 both 👏 good 👏
vocal stone
well then is just the difference what is better in M+ atm Necro outlaw or Sub Vent. Most tell me both are super even and depends on Dungeon. But when it comes to funnel DPS in AOE to a single Target Sub seems doing this better then any class atm
balmy condor
fleet anchor
Yeah I mean your secondary spec will bias things for sure
balmy condor
what do you think is more fun
fleet anchor
Or you can just play Assassination in keys too 😛
vocal stone
And outlaw feels like a "meh" can do all but nothing that good
balmy condor
do you like hitting the sbs button, or the venthyr button
is your favorite color green or red
vocal stone
Or you can just play Assassination in keys too 😛
Assa feels bad since you spin and get 1 Combo point on 10 targets if your unlucky XD
golden zodiac
I kinda like Venthyr tbh I hella forget to use flesh craft on rogue
vocal stone
I kinda like Venthyr tbh I hella forget to use flesh craft on rogue
well i mean i have also never binded Door of shadows on my rogue as sub tbh too XD
golden zodiac
It feels so anti rogue I always glance at it and it’s off CD lmao
fleet anchor
Assa feels bad since you spin and get 1 Combo point on 10 targets if your unluck...
I mean I think that is less the case now when we are gearing heavy crit for Frost set
I know the set isn't active in M+ but
My gear is my gear 😄
golden zodiac
I liked door of shadows
vocal stone
I mean I think that is less the case now when we are gearing heavy crit for Fros...
true
vocal stone
i thing its still cringe that door have a cast time. Feels kinda unrewarding if you can also just shadowstep 😄
golden zodiac
This is true
vocal stone
I use door for Re stealth mostly in pvp
yea but in PVE you dont really need it
maybe on sire mythic but there is no sire anymore
golden zodiac
True
lunar otter
Hey the real question doea dslice work for zold lego is it acurate?
golden zodiac
I don’t pick my ability based on pve however. Door has its uses for sure. Fleshcraft I’m still learning, use it heavily on DK feels like part of their toolkit
lunar otter
*does
fleet anchor
Yes it is accurate
lunar otter
Fek sub sims 1200dps higher but sub so borin in keys :(
fleet anchor
hey btw can I get someone to Patreon donate me some Sylvanas daggers in trade for continued SimC updates?
Sylvanas is really juking me this tier haha
lunar otter
@balmy condor i know this but my brain says why not use the most dps haha i sont wanna cuck my self to much
slow marsh
As long as you're not playing NF I think you can do whatever you want + what whisp said
spice spire
I’d like to go exsanguinate 
golden zodiac
I miss hemo
balmy condor
I've been in 15's where the other 2 dps don't do more than 6k
and they time that shit
fleet anchor
Hemo 🚫
balmy condor
go venom rush
fleet anchor
Exsang 🚫
fleet anchor
I mean it is true that unless you're tryhard parsing for ranks only, really very little actually makes a substantial difference atm
Although I think Exsang might be a bridge too far because that shit suxxxxxx
😄
balmy condor
sure
fleet anchor
But in a lot of ways, Rogue really has very unsubstantial talent choices
balmy condor
it still won't stop anything tho tbh
oak sky
Ewwww
fleet anchor
Someone could whip out the EPIC Blindside+Subt+Deeper+Exsang+Hidden Blades combo
And still outdps most of the dudes in random queue 17s
oak sky
Venom rush 😡
gusty mirage
Nah we don’t talk about hidden blades
fleet anchor
Easily
balmy condor
pb isn't a talent
gray sleet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yrV1KAqzn2xJbPfh#fight=30&type=casts&source=5&view=timeline Did i fck something up? Why is my parse so low?
i'm reading it and i just don't get it
balmy condor
you missed shiv casts
gray sleet
How did i?
i used on CD and then didn't when i had burst coming up in at least 20 seconds
spice spire
Missed a flag as well didn’t he?
balmy condor
indeed, yes
spice spire
fleet anchor
Hey fun fact though about specs
fleet anchor
Due to the way Dashing works and how CT is worse than Envenom in every case in ST with it
balmy condor
trinket doesn't get buffed by vend
fleet anchor
Hidden Blades is better in ST than CT for Dashing builds
fleet anchor
This is when someone makes a meme Hidden Blades build, pads to hell on some Fatescribe pull to get to the top of WCL and everyone is like OMG IS HB BEST???
balmy condor
you mean like they did on sire
gloomy knoll
hidden blades lul
clear shadow
someone should make a weak aura that tells u not to use shiv when vendetta is about to come out
fleet anchor
But yeah I think it is actually really quite unfortunate that NF is like 7% behind even Necro when the WORST possible talent combo is only like -11%.
They really managed to make a mess out of the Covenant balancing 😦
Too many moving parts
Across too many specs
golden zodiac
I keep eying venthyr again haha
Haven’t played Assas at a serious level since MoP. Im chalked.
gusty mirage
They really managed to make a mess out of the Covenant balancing 😦
Well color me shocked
Good thing they didn’t have a copious amount of feedback about making covenants more than just cosmetic in beta or anything 
toxic quail
how the fuck do i do more dmg boys
lemme hear it
im stumped
i felt like i played so good but thats not my kinda parse
slow marsh
Someone could whip out the EPIC Blindside+Subt+Deeper+Exsang+Hidden Blades combo
Don't tempt me
HB for soul render or what
gusty mirage
HB for soul render or what
slow marsh
I kid I kid, I'm going outlaw for soulrender
oak sky
balmy condor
I kid I kid, I'm going outlaw for soulrender
sub*
oak sky
sin on every fight 
bleak sky
tfw can't play sub for shit 
oak sky
i already played sin on soulrender
dont check my logs 
@balmy condor i definitely didnt die to red 
slow marsh
Yep my sub sim is trash as expected
gray sleet
Cev you around?
loud brook
do I stack sylv daggers?
violet jackal
how the fuck do i do more dmg boys
5 people died which means the boss should of died sooner and in your vendetta window. also looked like a rupture fell off very briefly
hollow river
@balmy condor i believe i remember you telling me spreading mutilate dot wasn't worth
am i remembering this correctly?
balmy condor
ye
hollow river
5 people died which means the boss should of died sooner and in your vendetta wi...
nice to see someone else from arthas
toxic quail
5 people died which means the boss should of died sooner and in your vendetta wi...
You right. If our TTK was slightly better it would have been better. I completely overlooked that. They grieved me.
hollow river
you would fok to spread poisons on 3 target, mut on 2
right right
snow hamlet
fallen arch
do I stack sylv daggers?
Only mythic ones
balmy condor
well
envenom technically a poison for dashing & mastery
envenom not a poison for zoldyck
but yeah
half of dashing's value is that it increases envenom damage
fallen arch
envenom not a poison for zoldyck
That actually is maddening
Never thought of it that way
I feel robbed
oak sky
we love blizzard here
balmy condor
if zoldyck buffed envenom it would be crazy
fallen arch
Ye but then they’d have to tweak the percentage
loud brook
Only mythic ones
kk, I got a heroic and normal dagger
and was confused as to what to do
fallen arch
kk, I got a heroic and normal dagger
U wanna go for a high ilvl MH
Which would be mythic sylvanas, or a 252 one
With for instance the 246 sylv in off hand
oak sky
killable
deft obsidian
First kill, I feel it dropping 😂
fallen arch
Ye not many ppl have access to that shit 😂
kind talon
Just get the daggers 4head
fallen arch
Ok boss
oak sky
getting daggers 
sharp zodiac
hollow river
Guardian H pug I was in traded trinket to a warrior who died 30 seconds into every pull
Hopefully M painsmith doesn’t take us too long so I can just loot M amp 4head
gusty adder
Hate to break it to you, but Doomyboy pulls ahead Zoldyck in dslice pretty often...
Dont hate it 😊 i actively asked, thought so as well, just wasnt sure with the ilvldowngrade (246 overall to 244) but guessing zoldyck is better this week with fortified, can prolly go doomblade for next weeks tyrr
strange python
Hello, I'm simming myself and I obtained that mythic Titanic Ocular Gland > Salvaged Fusion heroic... Should I trust this?
winter moss
since you are playing frost set yes
ocular gland provides your highest secondary stat and frost set heavily favors crit > anything
hollow river
Phial still won
winter moss
praised be the sim god you got it
strange python
Okay then, thank you a lot
and yes I'm runing frost + DS, and phial will always be top 1 hehe
hollow river
Yep
strange python
no matter the build I guess
hollow river
What ilvl are those
winter moss
good thing we have 2 trinket slots eh?
hollow river
good thing we have 2 trinket slots eh?
Yeah for phial and amp
strange python
Shamefully for me, I have 246 from dungeon, no luck and vaults, and 233 weapons....... sad
strange python
myth 252
hollow river
Idk buddy coulda whipped out the 252
hollow river
I'm 5/10 right now so..
Same
oak sky
ur trialing rn right notrickz?
strange python
the bad thing is... no sylv hc weapon and 233 weapon in other slot, PF doesn't want me to get this 246 dagger
hollow river
ur trialing rn right notrickz?
Yea why
oak sky
is it going well?
hollow river
I think so yes
oak sky
thats great dude
deft obsidian
Gland was like 15-30 dps higher than a fusion amp heroic for me, but mucho marginal
fallen arch
Does it assume 100% uptime in sims tho?
winter moss
iirc you can set the uptime for sims
hollow river
it does assume 100% uptime
i'd run amp if i had it
i have M gland and 242 totem >_>
winter moss
eh rather between 90~100%
oak sky
depends on fight i guess
winter moss
eh healers gonna pump you up in a short amount of time
winter moss
and most of the time when you take damage that would push you under 50% you are doing the mechanic
and probably wont be able to attack
uptime on gland is fairly high imo
oak sky
i mean even 90% is high
winter moss
yeah
reef ginkgo
thinking of trying sin out on some fights but i only have blood shards levelled atm as i main sub, will that be ok or is it rubbish?
shadow tusk
Youll be fine
reef ginkgo
neat thanks guys
green ledge
Guild is stopping raid prog so they can play final fantasy. Ripperoni
winter moss
time to ditch and move onwards to new adventures
potent dagger
FF is soooooooo slow :/
hollow river
my last couple guilds lost 2-4 players
potent dagger
2.5 ish GCD is awefull -_-
limber lion
FWIW, honestly don't really feel like it's that much different than running Doom...
Yeah don't get me wrong, if the options are Doomblade or Dashing, then either is fine. I'm more specifically saying that you should just be playing Zoldyck in every dungeon instead of Doomblade/Dashing, even though the dslice might promote those 2 higher sometimes. I personally wouldn't play either Doomblade nor Dashing ever. 
hollow river
and my new guild lost 1 so far to ff
zinc frost
Yeah couldn’t deal with the long GCDs in FF
hollow river
did you unlock all of your abilities tho
because there's lots of off GCD stuff you weave in
zinc frost
Yeah still felt a bit slow for me. Maybe I’ll give it another go when I slow down with WoW
hollow river
yeah i'm not touching it until CE, and even then i might not
rocky pecan
Well gland with frost gems it's kinda not that hard to get 95%+ uptime tho so
north basin
is it normal being at the end of august and having z e r o sylv daggers and 252 daggers? i fuckin broke 10k sim in sin and still 246 dagger. wtf...
dawn ivy
sylv daggers, yeah. not having a 252 dagger though is a bit sad
north basin
not doing 10 dung. but 4 dung always. no raid dagger no m+ dagger yet
gloomy rose
got lucky this tier and got 252 out of first vault, but last tier I didnt get 226 dagger for the entire CN
dawn ivy
ive gotten three 252 domina daggers over the last 4 weeks
and ive only taken 1, because i keep telling myself ill get sylv dagger
uneven summit
literally replaced my 226 offhand yesterday with fucking 239, so 246+239 daggers now, yay...
still no sign of either 252 or sylv
gusty adder
ocular gland provides your highest secondary stat and frost set heavily favors c...
Amp and ocular is bis from raid? Which wins out at 252 as frost?
winter moss
sim it
winter moss
Amp and ocular is bis from raid? Which wins out at 252 as frost?
took the liberty and simmed it for you seems like sfa will win
sonic schooner
Don't worry vault is giving me raid pieces I already have, m+ dom and legendary spot pieces, since the beginning of the patch I ve taken only 1 item from the vault. Last patch I was a 220 daggers gang, this one might be a 246 gang
zinc frost
Yeah sylvanas dagger in vault
sonic schooner
I'm actually a joke to my guild, I m the only one without a weapon
ebon thorn
verbal mantle
like a lot of ppl
shut garnet
hold up, do you actually not ever press CT in st with frost dashing?
verbal mantle
hold up, do you actually not ever press CT in st with frost dashing?
you do, except in shiv window
shut garnet
ye thats what i thought too
shut garnet
FWIW, honestly don't really feel like it's that much different than running Doom...
monkahmm
gloomy rose
you do, except in shiv window
from what I've read sometime ago its actually damage neutral with dashing to use CT on ST, search "neutral"
sonic schooner
It's something like minmaxing if u can use CT but keep envenom debuff as a priority or something like that if I remember well
gloomy rose
you can sim it quite easily, I dont use dashing, but just do one sim normally with CT and the second one add "skip_actions=crimson_tempest" to the simc options
my two cents is if its close enough just forget about it, maintaining CT is just additional burden
limber lion
you do, except in shiv window
Doesn't matter. It's neutral either way. Sometimes using CT with Dashing is actually a loss, like in m+ st fights without the benefit of the frost set.
Dashing is the only legendary where it's whatever, for Doomblade you would press CT outside of Shiv windows.
plain thistle
explains why ct sims like hella poopoo for dashing
because you dont CT in ST with dashing
which, obviously, decrease CT power
burnt star
is it normal being at the end of august and having z e r o sylv daggers and 25...
ya its normal, its very sad and this game needs some kind of bad luck protection tbh; neither me or my fellow guildie rogue has a 252 dagger , and neither of us have a 246 sylv dagger, despite killing her every week since week 2-3. and running 10 dungeon every week x-x
meanwhile some player has got their 4th 252 weapon in vault..
my 2 last vault were token too lol
token should be an ability to reroll your vault instead of those shity anima/research/stygia exange
royal lantern
ya its normal, its very sad and this game needs some kind of bad luck protection...
bro
thats how rng works
lol
wanting bad luck protection for EVERYTHING is like
what
+people love to overvalue the impact gear has
burnt star
theres a difference wanting bad luck protection for everything and just having some kind of bad luck protection.. and just so you know both of us me and my fellow rogue arent your regular grey andy parser
its just sad that there isnt any
fallen arch
The vault is a bad luck protection system in itself
burnt star
final fantasy has a really nice system for that.. after x amount of boss kill ur allow to buy the item
we used to have reroll
fallen arch
Then go play that?
somber breach
Can anyone answer a question I have regarding KT mythic? Maybe I'm just not reading logs correctly.
pure moth
ya its normal, its very sad and this game needs some kind of bad luck protection...
I got lucky on 1 h sylv dagger from vault. But ive yet to see a 252 with running 10 dungeons a week
gusty mirage
Can anyone answer a question I have regarding KT mythic? Maybe I'm just not read...
I can try, not there yet though so take what I say with a giant grain of salt
spice spire
Same as oxi
spice spire
I got lucky on 1 h sylv dagger from vault. But ive yet to see a 252 with running...
100+ dungeons in this season 
0 daggers
somber breach
I am trying to figure out what my target dmg to remnant should be during each down phase. I have all CDs for it
royal lantern
i mean, thats hard to say cus that REALLY depeens on the remnant team
like, we had to do dps stops down there
somber breach
It's in flux
royal lantern
with 1sin 1dirty sub and 2druids
gusty mirage
A lot people end up holding CDs to extend the phases I’m pretty sure
drowsy parcel
500k is a good target i think
somber breach
Yes, we are. Vendetta comes up as we are going down
royal lantern
ye something like 400-500k is good as a rogue
it really also depeens on the other pumpers
somber breach
I did 475 once, we weren't meeting the check initially. It was just me and 2 boomies to start with
royal lantern
we had a druid that got pi, so ofc i had less myself
somber breach
But that part is in flux. I am just thinking optimal target damage for myself. We will get the right team figured out for optimal timings
If 400-500k seems about right then that's good with me. I was having difficulty finding specific numbers from logs without determining the timestamp that they pushed and pinning it
somber breach
Not my log, kill logs for me to compare
cobalt pelican
yes i know
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63MvRcFgJnfaWZL8#fight=6&type=damage-done&target=61&start=2793730&end=2859219
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yGF7hkmYwKMPXCDn#fight=50&type=damage-done&target=270&start=11939999&end=12003461
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nFD9R3yPvC47zwhg#fight=9&type=damage-done&target=155&start=4535627&end=4602382
takes like 1 second
just select remnant as the target in the log and then speed drag your mouse over the damage window
somber breach
I did not know you could drag select an area. Well sheet. Thank you
raw fog
hi all just wanted to ask
do you sync shadowcore oil with potion of phantom
or you prefer sharpening stone
spice spire
Well if you do potion of phantom, you’d go oil. The more consistent combo for me is stones + agil potion
But for general dps stuff
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
harsh thicket
Is there something in the game that prevent to have a second set if you play with a cloth stuff ?
stuck knoll
What do you mean?
spice spire
Oh yes
harsh thicket
I was wondering because we can sim ut
stuck knoll
Ahh
Ye if you wear 1 piece that's not the correct armour type you lose like 5% main stat or something
gusty mirage
Is there something in the game that prevent to have a second set if you play wit...
Yeah they hot fixed the cloth belt allowing a second set
stuck knoll
Along with any stats on the piece you're not wearing
spice spire
But also what Ronkles ssid
harsh thicket
Who care about 100 agility when you can be frost + unholy
stuck knoll
Ye
harsh thicket
Damn
night atlas
In single target scenarios, if I poorly manage my energy and shiv comes up when I'm at like 10 energy, should I wait to get energy or just use it so that I can put it on cd?
spice spire
Just send it
spice spire
arctic hare
If my calculations are right, you need 990 shards to max every single one of em
compact atlas
So how good is dashing? I see more and more people playing it. It also sims better for me than doomblade so I wonder if I should give it a chance.
strange python
Is Kleia worth running assassination on?
With frost gems?
Im outlaw main but want to dip into assassination when needed
Also when do assassination use their on use trinkets like fusion amplifier?
tired vessel
If you're kyrian and main outlaw; I can't think of a time you'd need to be sin? I would think you'd do more ST as outlaw as kyrian, and more cleave.
strange python
Ok thanks
wintry mica
Also when do assassination use their on use trinkets like fusion amplifier?
for kyrian you can just use it on CD, I believe its only venth that gets a small benefit out of holding amp until like halfway through flag so its up for the whole haste buff
strange python
Thank you
strange python
If you're kyrian and main outlaw; I can't think of a time you'd *need* to be sin...
Mainly slyvannas, idk why outlaw feels terrible on that fight
wintry mica
it doesnt feel great as sin either, but you do pump the boss
Kyrian sin isn't bad for ST, I would sim it and see if its competitve with outlaw for ST for you
alpine latch
Ah, yeah I don't know much about ST. I've been reading up about m+ Outlaw and Kyrian is slightly behind but easier to play
wintry mica
sin is more forgiving if you lose uptime, but I don't think itll make much of a difference for you. Id say try it a couple pulls and see if you like it
untold nest
Sin rotation is ARGUABLY simpler than outlaw as well
tired vessel
Iirc the sims for sub gems are(were? pre frost api fix) all pretty close.
Id be willing to bet sub would sim higher than Sin for you; provided you have or can make the finality or the ER leggo, even with frost gems.
But if downtime is the issue; I agree with raymuss.
wintry mica
i would say its not even really arguable and sin is the easiest rogue spec
untold nest
Weeell outlaw is not hard either u just send everything on cd. Its just higher apm and more buttons to press
wintry mica
higher apm and more punishing of mistakes imo
all we can really do is fuck up a flag or not pool properly
wintry mica
Iirc the sims for sub gems are(were? pre frost api fix) all pretty close.
Id b...
yea sub gems were pretty close but frost is their weakest, not enough small crits compared to big shadowstrikes
tired vessel
All I was getting at is dont dismiss sub as an option if you've invested into frost and wanted to try sub.
wintry mica
true, all the specs are pretty even right now, it really just depends on your specific gear/gems
terse talon
im gonna try out sub with my r5 frost
wintry mica
yea I havent messed around with it, but I assume its not the best just because any crit damage over like 3-4k doesnt get stored by frost
tired vessel
I wish I had frost gems upgraded. Envious of yall
wintry mica
i wish they would update the frost set tooltip so I know what they actually buffed by 45%
is it just the damage proc gets boosted by 45% when it shoots out, or does it increase the cap of damage stored from each crit by 45%?
cedar star
I wish I had frost gems upgraded. Envious of yall <:copium:854628182104080414>
Don’t feel bad, a lot of us got unholy to r4 then the buff happened and we had to start over
Only just now getting r5 frost bonus next week
wintry mica
yep, i should get r5 frost next week thankfuly
cedar star
Yuuup
wintry mica
at least I think, it could be close
pure moth
I need 25 more embers to make frost all rank 5. However, i never got shoulders soooo..
strange python
Not to mention outlaw stats and sub stats are almost identical
wintry mica
not that different from sin either
strange python
Ill play around! Thanks for the input
oak sky
Free covenant swaps free renown catchup no more conduit energy
wintry mica
huh
whole pilot
linklink
wintry mica
yea just came out
another post just went up too
Once you’ve reached a high Renown threshold, you will thereafter be able to freely switch among any of the four Covenants without cooldown or restriction, as well as use cosmetic rewards that you have earned from one covenant even if you are currently a member of a different one. Both the Covenant switching and the use of cosmetic rewards will also apply to alts once the Renown threshold is reached on one character.
Conduit Energy is being removed - Conduits will be freely swappable without restriction.
When playing alternate characters, if you have already completed a given Covenant’s campaign on a different character, you will be able to immediately earn the Renown and third soulbind unlock without needing to replay the full narrative arc.
holy shit that is pog
clear shadow
do you guys think frost set with get nerfed
wintry mica
no
clear shadow
it was hitting for 124k last night on soulrender
wintry mica
yea its pretty nutty
I feel like rogues are the only class I actually see use it over unholy or blood though
clear shadow
yep
wintry mica
spear of bastion op
wintry mica
yea we still got that going for us
velvet haven
Finally ripcorded
dusk void
Frost is best set to play multiple specs right? Since it’s BIS for Outlaw/Sin and still really good for sub
wintry mica
you could argue that any of the sets is fine for all three specs
kind skiff
Guys I see a lot of people using dashing for M+, is it better than zoldyck rn?
wintry mica
blood is super consistent and helpful on prog for any class
wintry mica
lol
arctic walrus
Must swap
spice spire
The 750 DPS diff will cost me prog 
oak sky
Hmmm whats necro actually better on
wintry mica
m+?
tired vessel
Don’t feel bad, a lot of us got unholy to r4 then the buff happened and we had t...
Yeh. Im in that boat; but still working on max rank unholy cuz I aint no quitter
wintry mica
depends on the covenant
wintry mica
wait i missed free renown
oak sky
Well
wintry mica
or do you just mean from campaign skip
oak sky
Free campaign catchup gives renown
wintry mica
oh nice, was going to say I wouldnt be surprised if it didnt
wintry mica
if they are going full simp for the customers mode maybe we get increased renown catchup from other activities too
wintry mica
i wouldnt say its good, you have to grind torg or dungeons if you want to catch up in a reasonable timeframe
def better than it was
wintry mica
yea if you grind the first 30+ levels
clear shadow
yeah im playing dashing on soulrender mythic and its actually pog
slow marsh
Wait holy shit is this real about covs
wintry mica
yea
clear shadow
fuck crimson tempest single target
wintry mica
you gotta try the secret technique
get all ur bleeds up on the adds, then just vanish and sit there with 90% crit
try and get like a 200k frost proc
ember isle
Hi ! I'm kinda new to the dps scene on mid end content ( currently doing ~16 m+ key.) i'm playing an assa rogue, and use raidbots to sim myself on Dungeon Slice. It keeps telling me that i need many, many haste when i already have plenty, wanna know if i'm doing something wrong. Cheers !
wintry mica
apparently it does, but I dont think its actually smart to do