which potency conduit would be best for the enhanced slot on nadija?
#assassination
verbal flower
dry chasm
gg
alpine latch
Man, it really bums me out that I got a Dom socket from my GV and it's a downgrade
dull osprey
Yeah my guildies don’t believe me when I say that my 252 chest sims higher than a heroic dom socket chest for my 5th gem. I even simmed with a r3 gem in it and the ilvl wins
alpine latch
That's easy - link them the sim
dull osprey
I’m at work otherwise I would lol
I got the chest as a drop and figured it had to be an upgrade… noop
hollow river
What about a rank 5 gem o:
slow marsh
I mean i can somewhat see that if it's a high crit 252 chest and your dom chest is the haste one from eye but yeah at some point the other dps shard should win out
lone wren
sylv chest heroic sims higher than a 252 chest, due to the crit values, it's pretty normal. I have my 252 chest and the sylv chest is better for me as well.
slow marsh
So yeah he's right
if he has the high crit / haste chest at 252 it sims higher than the haste/vers eye chest + dom gem at rank 3
rank 4 gems the dom takes over tho
balmy condor
The raid helm and neck are pretty good
shy dust
Get fyucked
hollow talon
spice spire
Rekt nerd
spice spire
Damn
fervent rune
fleet atlas
I have 11 kills on sylv and have yet to see a single dagger
hollow talon
im gonna get the mythic one before the heroic one at this rate
slow marsh
yep
shy dust
That might contribute a bit
slow marsh
welp it's finally happened. my outlaw sims higher than my sin even with just a 242 pox MH
heady drum
maybe thats the 50dps yeah
true
cloaks have so little stats though so i didnt even consider
south flicker
for raid , oil or Shaded Sharpening Stone ?
heady drum
both
viscid spear
Minor increase between the different combinations, so use whatever you prefer
hollow talon
welp it's finally happened. my outlaw sims higher than my sin even with just a 2...
what are ur ass weps ilvl
slow marsh
252 / 242
spice spire
You can’t just ask someone about their ass weps
digital zodiac
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nkgXQHTwUYGktf5jFF5tiE
Would you lads wait until ocular 252 for 23 DPS? or just take the SGT (the Eye sim has 252 dagger, SGT has 246)
hollow talon
252 / 242
can u link the sims im curious
im thinking abouit switching back to outlaw
slow marsh
I just did
slow marsh
and with a 242 pox i can valor to 246 this week
hollow talon
ive always done nadija since i got the last row
but let me double check the numbers
slow marsh
theotar sims with 25% uptime on all 4 tea rolls, which vers and agi are a loss i last time I checked. You can reroll every hour so I just log in a couple hours before raid and reroll to crit or haste. So it's like +30-40 compared to what it sims as normally
hollow talon
actually yeah youre right
only like a few DPS difference for me
between the two soulbinds
slow marsh
yep and so if you were to reroll your tea to crit or haste theotar would actually be better than nadjia
hollow talon
and if i got the good buffs it would pull ahed slightly
slow marsh
Not to mention the increased value vs adds in raid
hollow talon
i really want to go outlaw but i need some good one handers
digital zodiac
its boring af
slow marsh
252 dagger OH is fine for outlaw until you can get a sylv dagger or painsmith fist
hollow talon
yeah gonna see if i can get one from mythic painsmith
or even heroic
i'd take that
lone wren
252 dagger OH is fine for outlaw until you can get a sylv dagger or painsmith fi...
for outlaw in raids, do you prefer venthyr or necro?
slow marsh
I haven't played necro outlaw yet so idk
Venthyr is the best for sin/outlaw which is what I am so yeah.
strange python
at Soulrender Dormazain Mythic are u Crimson Tempesting adds + when u r out of CDs or just adds?
spice spire
CTing adds and keeping up whenever you’re not in a shiv window
slow marsh
Yeah regular CT rules
tawdry eagle
Yeah regular CT rules
aye out of Shiv i meant, thanks
slow marsh
Unless you're dashing in which case I think you focus more on envenom uptime until adds come out
half tartan
I've noticed that dashing makes shiv windows feel better
buoyant fossil
Is it worth to hold Shiv until you have something like maxcp-2 and 30 energy from maximum so you can get immediately Env after Shiv? Or just Shiv on CD and hope you can fit 3 Envs in
real bay
loud mason
i hate having high itlvl, my logs keeps reminding me how bad i am on itlvl % xDD
slow marsh
ya never hold shiv unless you aren't going to be attacking the boss for 10 sec and even then i think it's still worth
buoyant fossil
So its better to make sure you get as many Shivs in as opposed to making sure you get 3 envs.
oak sky
Here we go again
obtuse robin
lol
spice spire
Necrolord finally back
obtuse robin
the only way i go necro is when my outlaw sims pass my sin and i have a syl dagger
which is soon
monka
wintry mica
I wanna try kyrian sin, but cov swapping is too much of a pain
obtuse robin
dont worry they gonna pull the ripcord in 9.1.5
slow marsh
Yeah i wanted to try out kyrian but it doesn't make sense. Necro does the same thing but is just better
obtuse robin
i have a source
wintry mica
I hope so, wish I could try out other covenants without gimping myself in raid for 2 weeks
spice spire
Necro sin is for true gamers™️ only
(I’m kidding, this is pure 
for my bad decisions)
slow marsh
I mean necro is the padder cov that's for sure
wintry mica
necro sin is totally fine tho no
obtuse robin
or in like that belluar video just package the cov skills as talents on ur talent page
wintry mica
id be schocked if they added that
lone wren
I mean necro is the padder cov that's for sure
that's literally my eternal struggle this patch, on one hand overall parse i think necro is slightly better, but it is as you say padding damage. I would hate for my boss damage to suffer since strong bos damage is my priority task in raids.
slow marsh
that's literally my eternal struggle this patch, on one hand overall parse i thi...
Yeah I mean that's just the facts though. Necro does have more consistency and has a better profile while doing mechanics since you can sbs from range, while venthyr does a decent amount more boss dam so long as you are able to stick on the target
I would rather be necro right now if I was learning mechanics in prog because it's a bit more forgiving to be off boss on top of already being sin
wintry mica
yea messing up a flag because of a mechanic feels pretty bad
lone wren
I really wanna try necro, I might do it for a couple of weeks. My renown as necro is 40 so I can get caught up in a few days between raid
slow marsh
I mean just having something to throw out that does a good chunk of dmg while doing stuff like rings in fate or spreading for bombs in guardian are all little things that can add up
worthy cliff
Im not going away from my necrobros
Im way too invested in them
To try and change to someone else and betray them
wintry mica
Im sticking venth for now since its good for all three specs
not really sure why cause i only do sub in like torg and dont have an outlaw wep lol
worthy cliff
Id try venth but im sentimental towards my first choice
wintry mica
I gave up on that when 9.1 came out and changed bis covenant on like all of my characters lol
at least for sin you have a couple viable options
lone wren
Im way too invested in them
Transfer off a RP server then :p
worthy cliff
Why?
wintry mica
for real I bet your covenant doesnt even know your name
they probably just call you maw walker
lone wren
You are just a number to them!
wintry mica
true, necro is hardly off-meta though
thin imp
)= where is the simc for food / oil / stones?
worthy cliff
Yeah but i didnt plan the meta
i just chose necro
because theyre cool
id chosen venth if they werent as ugly
wintry mica
I like venth aesthetic for sin rogue
wintry mica
lol
wintry mica
)= where is the simc for food / oil / stones?
are you looking for simming oil vs stones?
lavish grove
Are you guys putting bleeds on orbs for Remnant? Before they are activated? (garrote, rupt)
Or just use those CP on boss?
wintry mica
I wouldnt waste a GCD before they are activated
balmy condor
You should gar and rup at least 1 orb
wintry mica
)= where is the simc for food / oil / stones?
!oil
prisma monolithBOT
Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ
balmy condor
The earlier the better
halcyon zealot
I wouldnt waste a GCD before they are activated
you definitely want to pre dot them lol
balmy condor
Yeah
zinc frost
I feel like it would be a GCD waste once they are activated since they tend to blow up pretty fast
balmy condor
It definitely would be since they don’t proc the energy on death
You either dot them as they spawn, or not at all
lavish grove
definetly before yeah, i rupt garrote when they spawn
cool ty, will continue doing that
spice spire
zinc frost
Just tossing SBS at anything is fun
narrow ravine
I would miss not having a long range attack if I switched
zinc frost
It’s good for shades this week too, can get resets on them at range
slow marsh
Mfd 😎
narrow ravine
ugg dont remind me about them, not being able to restealth between packs is so annoying to me
wintry mica
yea not a fun week, at least its not too hard
if its a single pull for whatever reason you can stealth before the spiteful spawns if you are quick enough
violet hemlock
If ur crew kills at same time
narrow ravine
yeah if you can sometimes if they all die in the same second
wintry mica
yea ive only gotten it to work if its just a one target pull
otherwise the timings gotta be really good
spice spire
It’s just a bit of a built diff I guess
narrow ravine
just makes the whole second row of talents moot
dull cloak
play outlaw and sub and never have to worry about restealth that much 
slow marsh
You can stealth as they're coming out as long as everything dies around the same time
slow marsh
I usually don't have issues idk
wintry mica
just depends on how quick the tank pulls
slow marsh
Healers want to kill them too for sips
gusty mirage
if its chained properly you lose nothing w/o the garrotes
it's just a lot of tanks start chaining when the last 2-3 are about to die
and you're just sad
wintry mica
yea I always gotta remind my buddy to pause for like 1 extra second and let me stealth
narrow ravine
I mean realistically how much dps do we lose by not restealthing between pulls
5%?
gusty mirage
From quel thalas?
wintry mica
empowered garrote does a lot of damage
worthy cliff
nah my tanks never wait
gusty mirage
but if the bleeds are up it's negligible
zinc frost
It’s nice but if you wanna time high keys you can’t wait for restealths
narrow ravine
yeah even though all the sims keep telling me to use nightstalker, MfD on CT
worthy cliff
Nah im not gonna play this week
gusty mirage
we don't listen to those shenanigans
worthy cliff
maybe try 1 +15
slow marsh
I mean generally you should know when the chain pulls are coming so you can prep for it
wintry mica
yea i dont think this is the week to go for the MA leggo nightstalker build lol
slow marsh
Yeah def not xD
spice spire
The chad spiteful ignorer vs the beta reality accepter
wintry mica
just take tiny dancing shoes and you can ignore spiteful
spice spire
Did someone say tiny toxic blade 
slow marsh
Or make up for the lost dps by padding on spiteful
spice spire
Sbs to spiteful
worthy cliff
Whats sbs?
wintry mica
flag the spiteful
narrow ravine
sbs mfd to spiteful
spice spire
flag the spiteful
Chad move
spice spire
Whats sbs?
Serrated bone spike
slow marsh
Just run zold and NS MfD never stealth
worthy cliff
ahh
wintry mica
not runnin subt just feels wrong
worthy cliff
You guys run other specs?
wintry mica
nah the talent
worthy cliff
I tried outlaw once and came back to ass
narrow ravine
ah an ass man
worthy cliff
Always am
wintry mica
i dabble in other specs but im an ass man all the way
slow marsh
I've been playing outlaw a lot in keys so I'm ready to play it for soulrender
wintry mica
im still looking for a wep to start learning outlaw
narrow ravine
assman, lawman, subman?
slow marsh
It's outlaws best fight imo
slow marsh
True
wintry mica
outlaw is probably the hardest rogue spec imo
zinc frost
Ahhh the ol cubes
narrow ravine
just think of roll the bones as garrote
worthy cliff
I guess but im still new to wow so ill probably understand him a bit more now
slow marsh
You have to process information a lot faster as outlaw
worthy cliff
Im just loyal to one spec
wintry mica
outlaw also a lot higher apm than sin
narrow ravine
its higher APM for sure
slow marsh
It's challenged my brain for sure
worthy cliff
ass is the slowest tbh
zinc frost
sin will be healthier for your wrists so that’s why it’s the best spec
wintry mica
arms feels slower than ass, but if we are being real ass is def one of the easiest dps specs
narrow ravine
but that double melee range is pretty nice to dodge mechanics and still dps while doing so
so many things you can stand outside of the effect and still dps
worthy cliff
Yeah the jordan arms help
but i like to learn first how to evade everything
then make it easy for me
tbh the only reason i chose rogue when i started wow in october is because i like stealthy characters
narrow ravine
I played, mained for a tier, a lot of melee dps, and I do miss stealth
wintry mica
stealth is op for world stuff
worthy cliff
stealth and just sap
zinc frost
It’s a solid class, only big downsides is zero raid utility
wintry mica
yep, you are at the whims of tuning because no utility
no reason to bring a rogue to raid if they are bottom tier dps
worthy cliff
if youre with friends its all good
wintry mica
yea, and even bad specs will outperform the avg raidier if you play them well
narrow ravine
well if your raid is a jerk sure, but as long as you are doing mechanics most raid leaders dont care what you play
arctic hare
outlaw also a lot higher apm than sin
Faster than havoc dh?
worthy cliff
tbh ive seen off meta classes who play very well
being top dps
If you know how to play the meta wont matter as much
wintry mica
Faster than havoc dh?
havent played dh since legion so not really sure, but outlaw is def up there as one of the highest apm classes iirc
worthy cliff
from covenants to classes
arctic hare
Though i suppose dh doesn’t count, barely has any abilities lol
spice spire
Faster than havoc dh?
Havoc dh apm 
subtle tundra
yea but thats comparing people who play very well against mediocre players
worthy cliff
Havoc dh is apm heavy??
arctic hare
havent played dh since legion so not really sure, but outlaw is def up there as ...
Yeah, i could somehow process the info easily, just didn’t understand how rtb worked very well
spice spire
It’s not imo
wintry mica
i think it depends on which build you play
balmy condor
dh is pretty high apm
arctic hare
True
balmy condor
it's up there with fury and outlaw
arctic hare
I meant mostly demonic build
narrow ravine
dh and outlaw are nearly identical on apm
arctic hare
Cause that gets nuts
wintry mica
fury just unga bunga smash buttons is pretty fun
worthy cliff
Dunno when i played him i just spammed 5-6 buttons
wintry mica
too bad arms is so much better
spice spire
Prot pally apm is
narrow ravine
fury is the only higher apm but they are not doing so well
arctic hare
Honestly, being a sin rogue is really nice cause i can slow down a bit and focus hard on mechanics
slow marsh
dh and outlaw are nearly identical on apm
true but dh doesn't have to think and outlaw you sometimes do
wintry mica
venthyr druid got that high apm but only for 30 seconds every 3 minutes
arctic hare
I tried outlaw, but I was terrible at it and just wasn’t very good with rtb
Switched to sin and was immediately doing more dps in aoe
wintry mica
i stopped playing outlaw when rr buffs was a big part of it
slow marsh
Takes practice. Has taken me 2 weeks of playing it in everything save prog to feel comfy on it finally
narrow ravine
I can get decent numbers out of sub in aoe but its not muscle memory yet, getting single target is not as good for me
zinc frost
Outlaw with BtE stun was so good tho..
wintry mica
yea thats why I need to get a wep here soon, ive put off practicing it for too long
I just hated the rtb mechanic
arctic hare
Yeah, I just decided to try out sub in aoe again and did stupid dmg
wintry mica
shadowstep> hook
slow marsh
both would be broken
arctic hare
True
wintry mica
maybe one day
arctic hare
Then why does sub has 2 and we only have one?
wintry mica
iirc shadowstep originally was sub only?
zinc frost
Yeah was in the subtlety tree
arctic hare
I’m definitely not comfortable with sub enough to do higher keys
I’m stuck at about 12k aoe dps max
wintry mica
i never played sub back then except for briefly with hemo in tbc pvp
zinc frost
Used to reduce threat and increase damage too
narrow ravine
dat monk aoe tho
arctic hare
lol, trueeeee
wintry mica
bruh everytime we do heroic farm its like why do I even bother putting dots on the soulrender adds
arctic hare
And here I always thought spinning crane kick would never be used
wintry mica
the monk just kills all that shit basically by himself
narrow ravine
everytime I jump in a group and windwalker is there im like, fine you win all the meters... im going to beat you on the boss
wintry mica
literally goes from like middle of the pack to 20k dps when we pull the adds in
arctic hare
Is it fast apm?
wintry mica
I no basically nothing about monks
zinc frost
P2 sylvanas is a monks wet dream
narrow ravine
windwalker is low apm but some channeled things
arctic hare
Ahh ok
wintry mica
itd be even crazier if they hadnt fixed the double dipping bug
narrow ravine
the trick to them is you cant use the same power twice, so they are constantly using new powers
arctic hare
Don’t they just punch kick then obliterate
lone wren
but the women are ugly there
As opposed to the ladies from necrolord? I guess we all have our kinks, some are into blondes, some into stitched up oozing corpses ...
worthy cliff
Nah but compared to venthyr
arctic hare
lol
worthy cliff
A trashcan is attractive
wintry mica
my buddies alt monks dps chart on normal souldrender
arctic hare
Good god
civic trellis
!bug
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/labels/Rogue
wintry mica
its even worse than old convoke druid lol
spice spire
They’re pumpers
worthy cliff
But id rather stay with draka than with nosferatu
arctic hare
They’re pumpers
Still stupidly ST heavy?
narrow ravine
I hear the fistweaving is fairly fun, up in melee doing kungfu while you heal
arctic hare
Oh? what can they get to?
zinc frost
Resto shammie can be decent dps too
arctic hare
My Hpal does about 6k hps
narrow ravine
some pulls the holy paladin is highest dps
ornate lake
How are you guys parsing on mythic remnant? Only reaching 8k dps and thats like 60 parse. Im stepping every knockback and only do 1-2 orbs to sides.
feel that the orbs die too quick to actually cast stuff on them
arctic hare
some pulls the holy paladin is highest dps
Thats utterly and completely terrifying
clever kindle
Gonna vary every attempt
Remnant is completely dependent on how many bombs you get
arctic hare
CRAP, I still haven't gotten a better dagger than my 220, and last night my DH just hit both 226 weapons
zinc frost
I run with a ele shammie, monk, bear tank and hpal in keys. Who do you think is near the bottom on the first pull 😅
wintry mica
How are you guys parsing on mythic remnant? Only reaching 8k dps and thats like ...
it was brought up earlier that you should be dotting 1 orb when it spawns if you arent already
clever kindle
The fight is on your dispellers so
and healers
For us its mostly single target blast with some orb damage or multi dotting
depends how fast your group can kill orbs, for ours some orbs are up enough that its worth it to throw a few point rupture in
digital zodiac
Anyone know what’s the bis conduit to use as the enhanced one? Well placed steel 252 or lashing 239
wintry mica
top gear takes empowered conduits into account so you can just sim it
but i have yet to see a sim with wps beating lashing
spice spire
My Hpal does about 6k hps
Our hpal barely casts https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/doobieepal
Lol
digital zodiac
Okay maybe that’s why mine just was the same then lol
wintry mica
empowered conduits are a lot less of a dps boost than people think
the difference between wps and lashing is probably within margin of error on sims
slow marsh
cuz our conduits sukkk
narrow ravine
you can do a top gear sim and override all your conduits to 252 and see how little it changes
spice spire
Hpal is high key busted
wintry mica
you can do a top gear sim and override all your conduits to 252 and see how litt...
yea it was like 40 dps for me and that was back when I still had a 213 lashing
ornate lake
it was brought up earlier that you should be dotting 1 orb when it spawns if you...
Do we dot it with a garrote or rupture, or doesnt matter?
wintry mica
both
zinc frost
Yeah both but wouldn’t bother doing multiple orbs
wintry mica
yea whispyr said its not worth the movement
slow marsh
uptime is everything on that fight
wintry mica
you dot when it spawns for the energy regen
ornate lake
We just killed it, i died mid attempt. Chest knockback
slow marsh
you dot the orbs when they spawn
eager cypress
I thought 2 daggers from Sylvanas would be better
wintry mica
not for sin
eager cypress
for sub only?
wintry mica
unless its double mythic sylv daggers I think 252 mh wins
zinc frost
Yeah sub loves the sylv daggers
eager cypress
😆
hollow talon
I thought 2 daggers from Sylvanas would be better<:ionwut:482536516006969364>
ill take one off your hands
seems like you dont need them
narrow ravine
starting to go outlaw spec to find non-dagger drops
dim wyvern
Is there a known bug that lets us pull Bosses as necro rogue in stealth? And how to fix ist?
wintry mica
i swap for everything that doesnt drop a dagger
placid pagoda
First HC Slyv kill and I get the dagger GIGA
lavish grove
Also is it just because I'm old or shadowstepping when you are outter bomb on Remnant is pretty tight?
hollow talon
hollow talon
Also is it just because I'm old or shadowstepping when you are outter bomb on Re...
nah its tight gotta be quick
wintry mica
do you have the mass dispell WA?
lavish grove
for who to stay outer?
narrow ravine
I do find it amusing that people assume every guild is full of priest healers
arctic hare
Yeah, I think i've done it once or twice
lavish grove
can anyone link it?
narrow ravine
that the only strat is mass dispel
wintry mica
ping ponging across is just awful though
everyone will naturally gravitate towards the "easiest" or most optimal strat
or most popular strat
narrow ravine
was more amused that people think everyone has a priest 😛
like our sims assume we all have WF totems
wintry mica
my guild went from too many priests to only 1
i recruited an enh shammy myself to get WF lol
narrow ravine
hah
ive not seen an enh main since legion
but 5 hunters and 3 mages... pretty common for me
lavish grove
thank you, the MD wa is really helpful !!
narrow ravine
and the boomies
wintry mica
lol we have 4 hunters right now
wintry mica
yea one of our officers is stuck playing lock cause we dont have any others
alpine latch
I went lock in 9.0 because we hadn't had one in like 5 raid tiers
narrow ravine
I feel bad playing a rogue sometimes being utterly useless when we could really use other classes for raid benefits
limber lion
It's not utterly useless though
Just because every single class in the game, except for rogues, have some kind of raid utility, it doesn't make it "utterly useless"
narrow ravine
lol
limber lion
Being able to pump crazy amounts of damage is still a really good feat
Like in P3 Sylvanas
Rogues are consistently the top 3 damage dealers on Sylv p3
shadow tusk
fallen arch
Just because every single class in the game, except for rogues, have some kind o...
MN posion
narrow ravine
kitteh and arms tend to be up there with me on dps
but cats are pretty much direct ripoffs of assassin gameplay
devout jasper
What should I use 246 Double Edge of Night or 246Edge and 252 Mythic Plus dagger? I'm confused
wintry mica
oak sky
should be 252 MH 246 OH
royal lantern
and i hate you for dropüping it
wintry mica
but yea its most likely what Agreon said
oak sky
almost for sure
devout jasper
oh okey
wintry mica
maybe with BS/DS but even then id be surprised
zinc frost
Like in P3 Sylvanas
Do you remember your damage on the end of p2 to the end of p3 in mythic sylvanas? Curious to see the difference
wintry mica
grabbed a random top 10 sin parse and for p2 they were doing 6.9k and p3 was 8.7k
8k overall
zinc frost
Yeah but Cev is a big baller
spice spire
P2 damage is built
P3 damage is different
limber lion
Do you remember your damage on the end of p2 to the end of p3 in mythic sylvanas...
As in p3 damage?
zinc frost
Yeah
limber lion
Around 9.6k
zinc frost
👀
zinc frost
Could do better probabl
Yeah look, I agree… just not good enough
humble ginkgo
cev how did you enjoy first raid in methodical?
alpine garden
Was it everything you dreamed of?
limber lion
cev how did you enjoy first raid in methodical?
Pretty decent, a bit lackluster on the later bosses but we managed.
Seems like a good bunch of lads and lassies
half tartan
Is it a common thing for hunters to be log whores and sociopaths in your guys' experience
void pecan
Just play with smooth brains like me, then only 3 or 4 people care about logs or parses.
alpine garden
If you're only playing with people who struggle to stay on the bridge on sylv p2 no one cares what you're parses are 
dawn ivy
hey man bridge can be tricky for some people 
delicate bone
Is it a common thing for hunters to be log whores and sociopaths in your guys' e...
yes lmfao
loud brook
after much toiling, my peanut powered brain has finally gotten a mythic orange parse on sin
I am happy
cerulean raft
guys can anyone tell me how to sim different domination sets on raidbots?
zinc frost
Do you have the set pieces? If so you can just chose the different shards in top gear
cerulean raft
i have and i did, just clicked the different shards on the bottom of the page. but that didnt work
jaunty kayak
remove the gems and then paste the /simc output
delicate bone
it should work, you have to also make sure the box is check on the bottom to sim dom set bonus
jaunty kayak
that works for me
minor anchor
Is kevin's oozling bugged atm? It's giving me double the buff duration.
slow marsh
yes
quasi ledge
@cerulean raft Make sure you tick the box saying "Replace existing gems/enchants", then select the shards you want to sim
cerulean raft
remove the gems and then paste the /simc output
seems like that works
cerulean raft
<@434408677303123990> Make sure you tick the box saying "Replace existing gems/e...
but this would have been easier 😄
kindred rapids
after much toiling, my peanut powered brain has finally gotten a mythic orange p...
Why yes of course I orange parse in mythic. Tarragrue still counts right?
loud brook
lol
hollow river
I always get the sac mechanics at end of fights on mythic
Never heroic just mythic lol
loud brook
I love tarrague because of how silly the fight is, but no mine was on the eye
kindred rapids
I always get the sac mechanics at end of fights on mythic
but rogue
hollow river
I could’ve done almost 10k on my last 2 eye kills
But got fragments and had to sac
Didn’t want to cloak it just so someone else would get it
deft obsidian
Tonight was a good night, hc edge of night, mythic painsmith legs & soulrender belt. We juicin
hollow river
The very last set depending on the overlap ye
gusty mirage
@burnt star it was nice crossing paths with you in korthia my friend 
loud brook
burnt star
<@!151093088599801856> it was nice crossing paths with you in korthia my friend ...
hahah same 😉
loud brook
I havent been able to hit 10k on eye myself. Though I did finally figure out that the bonus from the unholy set goes from the lowest one
loud brook
so apparently upgrading my speed gem was a 800 dps boost
hollow river
Lol
I never get to cleave the extra add on the eye
And we have to stop dps
RIP
loud brook
we had to stop dps on remnant because the shatter at 60% kept lining up exactly with dispel timings
hollow river
Hopefully I get my first remnant kill tonight
kindred rapids
BS/DS sims better even for add cleave
hollow river
We didn’t reclear remnant last week
kindred rapids
considering running it for remnant
loud brook
which one is BS again
hollow river
Blindside
loud brook
oooo
hollow river
I wanna play ep deeper
dawn ivy
we need a bit more finishers in our rotation in order for ep/deeper to be a play
loud brook
my biggest issue with remnant is target switching. usually we dont need extra help slapping the orbs until the third one starts appearing. I feel like I shouldnt put up bleeds on the orbs because they still die in like 6 seconds and dont refund any energy since they don't technically "die"
dawn ivy
maybe next tier lol
loud brook
so it's just envenom spamming the orb while keeping dots rolling on boss
but idk if that's right
hollow river
my biggest issue with remnant is target switching. usually we dont need extra he...
They do give u energy regen
kindred rapids
If it's convenient I dot them while invuln for energy
loud brook
huh, ok
I could've sworn they didnt give anything back, but if I'm wrong that's a great help
hollow river
They do
loud brook
we're doing it tonight so I can mess around with it
kindred rapids
Don't know about the energy refund thing, but just the energy they give you while alive is worth
loud brook
also fair
zinc frost
Yeah fairly certain they don’t refund energy when they die.
hollow river
chilly viper
zinc frost
Whatever you enjoy most I guess
hollow river
If I craft 262 dashing now that I have rank 5 frost
I close the gap on sub another 200 dps
But sub will still be 200 more dps ahead after that
kindred rapids
As long as I'm still blasting idc
Sticking sin
Anyways, I just can't stand the shadowstrike sound
Like nails on a chalkboard
gray sleet
Is everyone using the Deadly Shadows bug to parse so high?
And i was wondering how can i not do 99 parses when doing perfect rotation
dawn ivy
its not the reason people are parsing
gray sleet
fcking disgusting
dawn ivy
but yes its something most sub rogues are doing
gray sleet
only subs?
kindred rapids
And i was wondering how can i not do 99 parses when doing perfect rotation
true and real
zinc frost
Only works for sub
dawn ivy
its a net neutral on sin and a dps loss for outlaw to do it
gray sleet
I was smashing my head against the keyboard wondering how can i not do good parses
kindred rapids
There must be a secret apl they're not telling us about
dawn ivy
as for doing a perfect rotation and not getting a 99, there is RNG in every corner of your characters build. and even a perfect rotation has faults in it
not to mention gear is a massive factor in comparing yourself to the other thousand parses
youre going to find it basically impossible to beat someone if they have multiple ilvl above you if youre both playing well
wintry mica
was just pugging sylv and there was a guy with a chain out in africa at full hp so i shadowstep over hit it once and frost set goes off and insta kills it with 45k dmg
dawn ivy
had that happen on our first sylv kill last week, think i saved our hunters life
wintry mica
yea
maybe if i get the WA timer you could do like a poisoned knife to try to get it proc on one
but seems pretty pointless
dawn ivy
yeah not a big deal to TRY to do it
wintry mica
just made me laugh cause i was like well guess i already have to run back
and then the bitch drops 2 belts and a ring someone cant trade
dawn ivy
ive looted all the items from sylv heroic except dagger
hollow river
I got dagger first heroic kill
Probably my sickest wow moment thus far
I got aotc like 2 weeks ago tho nothing special
loud brook
ok. so I did lfr just to make sure and kept my eye hard on my energy pool to make sure I wasnt seeing things. remnant orbs do not refund energy when they die. They do provide a substantial damage boost when dotted up and 99% immune to funnel to the boss
I also got ppl to not hit orbs so I could be meticulous about keeping track of everything lol
pale dew
And i was wondering how can i not do 99 parses when doing perfect rotation
Latency, crits, kill time, gear, movement. And potentially not actually doing the rotation fully properly.
hollow river
ok. so I did lfr just to make sure and kept my eye hard on my energy pool to mak...
U dot then up when they aren’t taking damage right?
zinc frost
Because they don’t technically “die” they turn into a moveable object so the refund doesn’t count
hollow river
Maybe that’s what it was instead of refund
loud brook
you dot them up and they take 1% damage. they still give energy while shielded
wanton creek
Is 41% with eye ocular gland enough crit for dashing frost build?
noble gyro
For me Dashing still sims 100 dps behind doom blade with 42% crit.
hollow river
As Venthyr?
noble gyro
yes
hollow river
Weird
noble gyro
rank 4 frost shards. maybe i'm doing something wrong in the sim
hollow river
Idk dashing was ahead for me at 30% crit 230 ilvl rank 4 frost
dawn ivy
i guess i should sim domblade 262 for shits n giggles
hollow river
Now I’m 43% 240 ilvl rank 5 frost and it’s even more ahead
hollow river
i guess i should sim domblade 262 for shits n giggles
I did yesterday and dashing was still +200 for me iirc
I wonder if crafting 262 dashing will get me 242 ilvl
From 240
o:
dawn ivy
yeah doomblade -178
hollow river
Kinda sucks tho that if we ever go back necro dashing is almost a waste
Want to go back for m+ but prog comes first I suppose
zinc frost
It’s not terrible for necro, they do sim very similar for me
hollow river
Yeah ik but it’s like
If it’s a neutral comparison kinda pointless
I guess dashing pulls ahead in meaningful cleave
But there’s hardly any of that in the raid lol
I miss Huntsman and Sire 
can we go back pls?
wanton creek
I’ve been saving shards and legend craft mats for gear as I only really raid for gear, wonder how big diff will be going from doomblade and r1 blood set to r4 frost and dashing
wanton creek
I sure am
hollow river
Depends a lot on your ilvl and crit too
wanton creek
Crit with Titan trinket will be 41% ilvl is only 233
prisma cypress
rank 1 of any set is going to be awful lol
wanton creek
As I say raiding is unfortunately all I have time for and haven’t been very lucky
wanton creek
rank 1 of any set is going to be awful lol
Yeh but reading the constant changes in here made me hold off🥲
prisma cypress
what's changed lately?
hollow river
It’s gonna be big boy stonks
wanton creek
Nothing really but I was holding till crit was higher
wintry mica
of course it comes from normal pug not heroic but i finally got one
main wharf
Pog
hollow river
what's changed lately?
Frost shard sims
wintry mica
finally get rid of my fucking korthia dagger
hollow river
finally get rid of my fucking korthia dagger
wintry mica
70 dps upgrade 😄
hollow river
70 dps upgrade 😄
wintry mica
obe is still basically even with dashing for me in my sims
hollow river
Obedience can cuck you
civic trellis
i thought with rank 4 frost set would sim more than 10k
hollow river
Depending on fight timers
delicate smelt
i am around 34% crit with lvl3 Frost and Dashing and suddenly now Cube simm as my second best trinket. Is it ok?
hollow river
i am around 34% crit with lvl3 Frost and Dashing and suddenly now Cube simm as m...
Have u simmed fusion amp?
delicate smelt
well, i have only 226 version against 246 cube
hollow river
Then yeah cube better
U need to get a WA for it
Because it can give u random stuff
Or give ur healers mana
delicate smelt
is there any diminishing with crit? When i hit 34% Top gear showed me as my second ring ring, which is without crit but have haste instead. I thought i need to stack crit as much as i can with Frost and Dashing
balmy condor
is there any diminishing with crit? When i hit 34% Top gear showed me as my seco...
there are points where additional stats would have a diminishing return on top of that, but usually that isn't a concern
most people get up around 45% crit
I would assume that the ring has an ilvl difference
or your frost set isn't r5
civic trellis
or your frost set isn't r5
Is that a must for dashing?
balmy condor
it's very desired
wintry mica
dashing is even with obe for me at r4 but ahead of doomblade
delicate smelt
yea, there is ilvl difference between them, 200 crit ring against 246 without any crit and shit stats
balmy condor
need all those things
balmy condor
yea, there is ilvl difference between them, 200 crit ring against 246 without an...
oh well jesus
yeah
that'll fucking do it
delicate smelt
😄
wintry mica
get in them sylv pugs even the normal ring has phat crit
pulsar reef
Hey guys, read the FAQ but having a hard time on what leggo I should upgrade first.. Pretty much wold content > lower M+ ( maybe 10's or so for awhile ) > WPVP. I'm thinking MA or the mutilate one
wintry mica
over 5% just from normal sylv ring
delicate smelt
yea i will
wintry mica
speaking of crit though
wintry mica
how the fuck do i have 91% crit during MA and still get 2 cp from muti sadge
worst feeling
kind talon
how the fuck do i have 91% crit during MA and still get 2 cp from muti sadge
Unreal
Just get 100% like me
Idiot
oak sky
P0ggerSs
kind talon
Kleia vibe
loud brook
I will riot if I have to go from venthyr to kyrian
oak sky
On GOD
kind talon
👆
oak sky
Kyrian ability doesnt feel bad
wintry mica
its a nice little mini game
oak sky
Rather have venthyr mog and damage though
wintry mica
venthyr works if you want to dabble in all the specs too
civic trellis
and high crit
How much?
oak sky
Simmy simmy
balmy condor
like 40%
civic trellis
I have a neck which would put me at 43% crit with frost rank 4
but its a dps loss
it prefers 39% crit somehow
similar ilvl
wintry mica
trust the sim
balmy condor
ok?
civic trellis
I know
oak sky
Could just be your ratios and stuff
wintry mica
do you use cube?
civic trellis
But i mean i am just curious, i would expect the neck to give me a dps increase
Nop
civic trellis
haha
loud brook
my normal damage is 9.3k, but I had to take off my gems to make raidbots use the gems I wanted them to use https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tyas31zGWkFkJKdx2Pj1Dg
seems like frost is a 400 dps increase for me at 38% crit
oak sky
Replace gems and enchants
woeful meteor
Is there a way to add vantus to a sim? The 100 Versa makes idq proc versa for me, which Could be worse than getting haste.
lavish stag
But i mean i am just curious, i would expect the neck to give me a dps increase
both your rings are crit vers , you are starving for haste
wintry mica
Is there a way to add vantus to a sim? The 100 Versa makes idq proc versa for me...
pick one of your equipped pieces of gear and go in and edit the simc string
at the end just add ",gems=100vers"
itll sim it as if that piece of gear was giving you the extra vers
woeful meteor
Ok thx
wintry mica
i double checked it worked by simming a head with an extra 1000 crit on it
turns out a 200 ilvl helm with 1000 crit is better than frost set, who woulda guessed
balmy condor
wintry mica
also a really easy way to post some confusing sims, since it doesnt show up when you mouse over the items in top gear
late birch
Should we stop at 40/41% crit or do we keep blasting?
wintry mica
trust the robot overlords of the sim
you have enough crit when it tells you to start enchanting/gemming something else
man normal sylv dagger dropped me over 1% on crit, I got scammed
i used to have a nice round number
halcyon zealot
hey atleast u don’t have to wear an ocular gland to boost ur crit to make frost viable
phial/ocular gland sims like 200 dps more than phial/sgt and phial/fusion amp for me rn, down bad
wintry mica
the crit giveth and the crit taketh away
reef axle
At 41% crit and it’s telling me to focus on haste now.
south hollow
I know the difference ain't that big but do you guys think it's worth going from necro to venthyr for fun?
dawn ivy
i personally LOVED necro way more than venthyr
wintry mica
if you think youll enjoy it I would say go for it
south hollow
is the rotation more enjoyable?
wintry mica
its not much different
south hollow
can bosses dodge your flag? 😂
south hollow
yikes
wintry mica
not sure why youd be hitting the front of the boss anyway though
south hollow
noob tanks?
wintry mica
venth has the edge in ST and necro pulls ahead for cleave/m+
but they are close enough that you can just use whatever you like
wide ridge
do we CT single target outside of shiv window when using dashing scoundrel? about to do M dormazain
strange python
Is poison damage "Magical" or "Physical"
wintry mica
it deals nature damage so magic
late bolt
its damage neutral apparently
wait its dmg neutral to not ct single target? damn
wintry mica
only with dashing
late bolt
I see
wintry mica
if you are running something else you use CT outside of shiv
wintry mica
the dashing thing doesnt make much sense to me either but i guess you lose envenom uptime? I just do what Cev says without questioning lol
late bolt
the dashing thing doesnt make much sense to me either but i guess you lose enven...
Well then Im right in ur boat 
thorn crater
239 fusion amp or 252 ocular gland? Gland sims like 80 dps higher
obsidian socket
hey assass bros. anyone have some tips on getting high dps on soulrender mythic? venthyr
wintry mica
239 fusion amp or 252 ocular gland? Gland sims like 80 dps higher
seems like you already have your answer
thorn crater
True, but I see a ton of people using the fusion amp compared to gland so I was unsure if there was more to it than the sim shows
wintry mica
fusion amp is really good, but the sims are correct
you probably just need the extra crit
thorn crater
Could be, I am at 37% without it
wintry mica
yea thats pretty low for frost set
quasi scroll
does mind-numbing do anything on the adds on Dormazain?
thorn crater
Thanks @wintry mica
dark token
hey assass bros. anyone have some tips on getting high dps on soulrender mythic?...
idk just dot everything
run crimson tempest
i put out like 5 dots then pump boss
wintry mica
does mind-numbing do anything on the adds on Dormazain?
I dont think it does, but i havent tested it myself
wintry mica
i put out like 5 dots then pump boss
if ur trying to pad you pump one of the adds with brand instead of boss
but i dont condone padding
zinc frost
Hit boss, hit adds don’t die. Win
wintry mica
the secret tech is put all your dots up and vanish
MA + brand debuff + frost set
I don't know if its actually good or just a meme for getting a fat frost proc lol
how long do you think itll take to replace a mythic sylv dagger in OH when we get to next tier
wintry mica
I wonder if we will still be using a mythic OH until we get like mythic daggers next tier lol
wintry mica
yea good point
the lfr sylv dagger actually lost a sim to my 220 crit haste korthia OH lol
slow marsh
That's cuz the proc is booty at lfr ilvl
Which is why we will still be using stupid phial at the end of the xpac cuz as ilvl increases the proc dam for most stuff just gets better and better
wintry mica
Yep we get to farm for new ones every tier lol
slow marsh
Wtb more than just 1 good trinket in raids
arctic hare
Feelssss GOOOOOOD man hahaha
cerulean nest
these low sims are lame to look at
wintry mica
I’m still below 10k 
wintry mica
The secret is to farm for it and then pump it with valor
Then next reset you get one from the vault 100%
slow marsh
The real secret is to just do your weekly vaults as all PF.
arctic hare
My sims are at 8,041
slow marsh
I stead of thinking about farming phial you're just doing your weekly 15s
arctic hare
I am indeed, yes
wintry mica
I almost wish you could target m+ in vault but that would make groups way harder
slow marsh
They just so happen to be all in the same dungeon xD
wintry mica
Yea socket rng can be rough
wide ridge
I only get my rank 5 set bonus next reset 
wintry mica
I hope I get mine next reset
wide ridge
dumped a bunch of styugian ember on unholy shards
wintry mica
It’s going be really close
arctic hare
I also pushed ALL of my embers into unholy as well
wide ridge
before frost became a thing
arctic hare
So yeah..., I'm one shard away from a rank 4 shard set
wintry mica
before frost became a thing
Same I got my unholy set on the Monday before the set changes went out
wintry mica
That’s where im art right now
arctic hare
PFFFFT, since when do I have the full blood set on this char
Ahh, okay, its the shard of cor I need
tribal marlin
yeah I'm 60 ember away from R5 frost
wintry mica
how much have you cleared this week?
tribal marlin
Basically I upgraded Blood to T3 early because we needed that damage 1st mythic week.
Then I waited and when they announced there will be no nerf, I upgraded unholy to T4
2 days after they announced the changes
So I'm fucking late
wintry mica
lol yea, im looking forward to it
shit i already have pulls where winds is my top damage at r4
arctic hare
how much have you cleared this week?
I've cleared absolutely nothing this week hahahaha
wintry mica
I assume lfr sylv also drops a guaranteed shard
full tendon
Too bad LFR is fucking hard lmao
wintry mica
I haven’t tried it but it’s probably harder than pugging normal lol
I did lfr soulrender at one point and at least half the raid just stood still until they died to torment
full tendon
It's pretty bad
Had several <200s in the two different times I tried
Honestly just assumed enough people needed transmogs that it'd be flush with overgeared folks
Was not the case
cobalt pelican
only took me 3 determination stacks to win earlier!!
and some intense say chat raidleadingf
wintry mica
are there any removed mechanics or just tuned down a bunch?
cobalt pelican
erhhhhhh
banshees fury is removed in p3
idk about the rest
seemed the same
main issue was just getting people to walk along the bridges in p2 and then not stand afk on the platforms in p3 with the arrows
ebon notch
@balmy condor how do i change the ilvl in the simc string?
what is it i add onto the end
dry copper
kevin's oozling is bugged, got duration up to 20 minutes in an m+
ebon notch
kevin's oozling is bugged, got duration up to 20 minutes in an m+
you can have it for over 2 hours lmao
wintry mica
im pretty sure you just add ,ilevel=252
ebon notch
im pretty sure you just add ,ilevel=252
that was it cheers
mental trout
#showtooltip rupture
/cast [nomodifier] rupture
/cast [modifier:shift, target=focus] rupture
any one kno why this might not be working?
cobalt pelican
you wiped the raid by doing damage?
cobalt pelican
if your raid is cutting your shatter close enough that winds procs push it then um
sounds like a recipe for disaster
winged basin
well tbf, thats almost 80k from just me, but 100k
thats not including the other monkeys who just dont stop
sour wraith
#showtooltip rupture
/cast [nomodifier] rupture
/cast [modifier:shift, target=fo...
#showtooltip
/cast [nomod] rupture
/cast [mod:shift][@focus] rupture
try that
dawn ivy
do people still hold damage for shatter?
sour wraith
for m remnant? if you have bad timings it might make things easier but ideally you just push faster
hollow river
how so
balmy condor
do people still hold damage for shatter?
yes
dawn ivy
i guess its just gear dependant
dawn ivy
DK is in a rough spot this tier
dull osprey
Simming with max gems just to check and I am confusion
dawn ivy
if thats your rank 5 sim, your gear is not where it needs to be for frost
hollow river
I never see DKs 🙂
they are very nice to have for Soulrender prog which finished tonight
they can grip all the adds in etc
dull osprey
if thats your rank 5 sim, your gear is not where it needs to be for frost
I do only have 35% crit
Its still 40% right?
drifting cloud
theres no magic number
dawn ivy
40% isnt a number
hollow river
frost was better for me at 30%
sonic schooner
are u necro?
dull osprey
venth
drifting cloud
well youre simming 8.7k so unless you have alot of buff disabled your gear seems pretty bad
balmy condor
yeah
drifting cloud
and 4 dom socket sim at the top?
dawn ivy
thats what im saying LOL
sonic schooner
yea agreed
cursive silo
Yea agree
hollow river
i disagree
dawn ivy
what ilvl are you @dull osprey or show sim
dull osprey
So I should still be working towards frost, just hope my gear improves
balmy condor
just work towards frost
dull osprey
I'm 235, but I'll show a sim one sec
balmy condor
and then you'll get there
hollow river
try simming with doomblade or dashing
hollow river
obed is still decent with frost too tho idk
dawn ivy
probably aim for a better ring than haste/vers
full tendon
I love how the tooltip for Obedience has the typo it's in the place of its.
sonic schooner
at this point i would just try to swap all the 226 & 233 in a first place
dull osprey
Yeah, the haste vers ring hurts, but the best I have rn QQ
dawn ivy
its still decent
balmy condor
yeh 226 stuff can just be replaced by a couple days of m+
dawn ivy
haste is also good for frost set
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHVvPiyxvNUB8PWNdLyPbK
yeh
ez
ez breezy
just a dashing and frost pivot
and you're chillin
dull osprey
ye
sonic schooner
Whisp owning the sims 