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balmy condor
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Definitely not

drifting cloud
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nah lashing is busted baseline

dawn ivy
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ahhhh

balmy condor
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Lashing is good because it’s strong base

sinful crag
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is it weird that haste is winning over crit at only 40% crit with a rank 4 frost set?

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im necro though, so that might be why

dawn ivy
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yeah necro can kinda make things funky

gusty adder
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Which soulbind are you guys running as venthyr? Primarily asking to sim the difference from my current necro build

bleak sky
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nadjia

gusty adder
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Thanks

raven torrent
fallen arch
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Guys

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U can't make this shit up

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Garbage for weeks

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and then this

pseudo nimbus
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Kreygasm

tribal mauve
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This is à Nice vault

gusty adder
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shiet

fallen arch
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Yeah its the wet dream of vaults, but it's also the nightmare of vaults when 5 items are an upgrade

zinc frost
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“Hey I heard you missed out on the vault in the other weeks so here is everything you want, but choose one, enjoy” - Blizzard

uneven summit
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just give me the fucking edge.... still rocking 226 offhand

fallen arch
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Simming now, think the 246 edge is best upgrade, but it might be the 252 thorn

heavy coral
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most garbage vault so far

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cursive silo
dark token
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sin dungeonslice sims are sus

bronze grove
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yeah i wouldnt take the sylv dagger til you clear heroic this week

fallen arch
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Ye doing her tonight, might holdout until then

dark token
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it wants heroic KT neck over this

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really

oak sky
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maybe you have too much crit

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plus its ilvl

dark token
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never too much crit wicked

oak sky
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on frost set maybe

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probably just some haste so you can do boss dam

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sim probably just likes boss damage

fallen arch
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You have so much vers on your gear

dark token
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raid gear has vers

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what you gonna do

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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all the big crit items are crit vers

bleak sky
heavy coral
idle star
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My vault offered me 2 x 252 chest peices after i got my 246 dom socket chest the week before in vault

oak sky
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cool and fun system

dark token
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i dont think this is worth doing more than 1 key a week right

gusty adder
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Does crit gain more value as Venthyr? Im currently simming 9938 as Necro (with doomblade winning over dashing=, and simming 9982 with venthyr (with dashing winning over doomblade), granted, im only on 40% crit at the moment

idle star
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I can be on 40% crit and 15% haste

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But i like, want my 45% crit build lol

gusty adder
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currently 40% crit, 19% haste

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I guess I just assumed, that dashing would win out, as I just got R4 frost today

dawn ivy
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not very concrete, but venthyr valued crit a bit more than necro in 9.1.5

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so id imagine that haste is less value on venthyr which makes crit more valuable

alpine garden
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252 vers/mast with socket bracers 😬

dawn ivy
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ouch

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jfc ilvl really is just king, i cant get 246 crit/haste shoulders to sim better than 252 vers/mastery ones

alpine garden
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Yeah, thankfully my previous bracers were only 233 haste/vers so it was still a nice little upgrade, could gem haste to offset the loss

dawn ivy
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whispyr was telling me an hour ago that WPS is better for most people

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but conduits are still conduits and its probably a difference a few dps

hollow river
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It barely pulls ahead .2%-.4% at 255 ilvl

worthy cliff
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Dont do me dirty like that i just made dashing and got frost r4

strange python
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How bout kyrian?

dawn ivy
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theyre basically equal, but still ends up simming better

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wouldnt worry to much if you crafted dashing

worthy cliff
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I just got a big neck with crit coming very good with my frost/dashing build but my haste is now 19%

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is that a bit low or is it fine?

dawn ivy
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whatever sims best for you is fine

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i was sitting at 14% haste laste week

worthy cliff
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Yeah i guess, i got used to big haste

dawn ivy
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i would be upset about low haste, but i really enjoy 70k winds crits PepeFull

worthy cliff
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yeah cant wait to try em on my next raid

hollow river
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Just gotta farm all crit haste gear

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Or whatever sim says is best

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But yeah dashing/doomblade on necro can equal out

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Just for a lot of people doomblade sims better

hollow river
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I notice a lot of 20-30k

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But I just upgraded to rank 5 after raid earlier

dawn ivy
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i think im going to be JUST short of rank 5 next week

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im going to be so salty

quasi grotto
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Max I've hit is 30k I believe

hollow river
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Wowzers

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Does using dashing actually met you more procs?

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Because I don’t usually get that much overall from frost

dawn ivy
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well dashing increases the crit chance on envenom and poisons

hollow river
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On 5-8 minute progression pulls I barely get 300k

dawn ivy
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so yeah its certainly grabbing a few more instances of damage to pool from

bleak sky
hollow river
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And sub rogue in my raid gets 350k+ from blood

fading mason
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What Lego would you recommend for m+

hollow river
bleak sky
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30 from heroic bosses, 6(?) from trash, ~5 from mythic bosses I guess?

hollow river
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If u full clear heroic weekly it’s around 40 embers a week

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10 more from full mythic clear

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1 per boss per difficulty level

bleak sky
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10/10M ain't happening here LUL

hollow river
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Yea me either

dawn ivy
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we're clearing 9/10 mythic for sure this week

hollow river
gusty adder
hollow river
dawn ivy
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but im still about 70 away from rank 5 next week

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so im going to be within 10-15 short T.T

slim wagon
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you also get 10 embers from shaping fate iirc

bleak sky
dawn ivy
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yeah thats included

bleak sky
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so I'm happy with that, obedience feels good

hollow river
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Fight timings can cuck obedience

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If u kill any bosses in 3-4 minutes your sim is 5 minutes = different results

valid coral
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Hey guys I just got [Soul Cage Fragment] trinket. Looks good, but is it ?

balmy condor
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No

bleak sky
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that was fast

balmy condor
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The shittier the trinket the faster I respond

dawn ivy
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its a quick answer LOL

valid coral
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😄 lol

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ok thx

dawn ivy
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no scenario where thats the play

hollow river
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Whispyr been lurkin

balmy condor
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I lurk a lot

hollow river
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hi

balmy condor
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Just to make sure things aren’t going too far into crazy town

bleak sky
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lurks thinking "god dammit what are these idiots arguing about now"

balmy condor
dawn ivy
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one of these days ill be able to convince someone to use int pots again without getting hassled by you pesky green names

soft shale
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cage fragment is only decent for m+

idle star
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I raid once a week because i have a family. Im not upset about that either because this xpack is becoming boring af and blizz are in deep shite

soft shale
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and even then its low ilvl

hollow river
dawn ivy
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well in uldir rogue sims were fucked up and kept telling people to use them

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and i kept telling them sims were right

balmy condor
hollow river
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O.o

bleak sky
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no str on hands

oak sky
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me running decanter of anima-charged winds and flayedwing toxin peepohappy

hollow river
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I have strength on my gloves

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Because I stronk

bleak sky
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strong gloves hit hard

hollow river
balmy condor
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Hunter in my guild complained about no mage buff killing his wild spirit damage, since it’s magic damage

hollow river
balmy condor
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Fkin idiot

hollow river
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LOL

oak sky
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i was just trying to bait whispyr @hollow river i have phial and shadowgrasp

manic pebble
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lmao

hollow river
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Wow

worthy cliff
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Im ok with this expac im still new to wow, but i dont give a damn whats going on with blizzard

hollow river
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Ur mean

oak sky
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lmao

zinc frost
bleak sky
balmy condor
worthy cliff
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Yeah i dont tend to look at the drama going on

balmy condor
manic pebble
hollow river
balmy condor
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Oh

hollow river
manic pebble
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I just play the game and that’s all

balmy condor
oak sky
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😈

balmy condor
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Imagine only playing the game

manic pebble
hollow river
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Imagine not no lifing the game

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It’s not even a game anymore

oak sky
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Painge

bleak sky
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not simming your character every 2 seconds

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yikes

hollow river
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Oof

zinc frost
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I thought simulations was the main game and wow was just like a mini-game?

bleak sky
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make big number go bigger is the game

hollow river
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Sims will teach you about life

dawn ivy
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ive been nonstop simming for 3 hours with 0 results besides a +2 difference

balmy condor
oak sky
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oh yeah i forgot

zinc frost
oak sky
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my crit isnt dog water anymore

hollow river
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I’ve been having to sim for all 3 specs for raid and m+

oak sky
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i got like 3 items from raiding today

hollow river
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And it’s too much

balmy condor
hollow river
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But I like being able to@play whichever spec I feel like this tier

dawn ivy
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i can degen 51% crit but then im at 4% haste pepeclown

balmy condor
oak sky
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the real question logs

dawn ivy
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n...no

balmy condor
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Unlucky

hollow river
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I hate depending on ocular gland

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For that extra 2% crit

oak sky
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just get phial 4Head

hollow river
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Yea

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Lemme tell u about it

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Guild has been running stacked PFs with me

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No drops

oak sky
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cursed account

balmy condor
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One of my friends had phial drop two runs in a row

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For him

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Not like in the group

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He actually just looted 2 in a row

hollow river
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I feel like some people are getting mondo gear this tier

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My rng isn’t the best

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Still no dom chest

oak sky
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i got like nothing for 2 weeks but this week i made out like a damn bandit

hollow river
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Last week I got H edge of night and 252 outlaw wep

balmy condor
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I see you

oak sky
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whaaaa

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"bad rng"

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has edge of night

dawn ivy
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its -113 dps if i go full 51% crit pepehands

balmy condor
hollow river
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I don’t even have

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My dom sockets

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....

oak sky
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i still dont have hands

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which

hollow river
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U can farm hands

oak sky
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once i get t6

dawn ivy
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i have INSANE gear, i just dont have edge of night at any ilvl

oak sky
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wont be a problem

dawn ivy
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249.5 ilvl but no edge of night makes me cry

hollow river
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I just want 252 and 259 everything

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Is that so much to ask

oak sky
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now, yeah

dawn ivy
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nah thats reasonable you can get that in a week if you play your cards right

hollow river
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O.O

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And no job?

oak sky
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pay for split runs

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you got it

hollow river
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One day I’ll be in a guild that clears CE first month or two

bleak sky
hollow river
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One day...

oak sky
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i would have double 252 weapons actually

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took something else this week tho

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rather have heroic edge anyday

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obviously

bleak sky
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stuck with 246/233 sadge

abstract flicker
obtuse robin
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cuz ur necro

gloomy rose
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does for me as well as necro, not that I complain

obtuse robin
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check the pins

abstract flicker
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yeah saw it right now mb

fossil raptor
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wrist or chest?

gloomy rose
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I would go wrist because you pretty much won't change them and heroic chest can drop, you dont need the dom socket too much anyway

fossil raptor
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but wrists drop from 1st mythic boss

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doing it every week

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and they are same stats

gloomy rose
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oh right, I had wrists for so long I didnt realize

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then I guess chest because of the sim

pseudo hamlet
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I'd personally go wrists because they're bis and you won't change them even in mythic raid(and they have a socket). The chest will drop some day that's for sure though

naive wigeon
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So is the sylvanas dagger better than what my sims say, like are my stats just dogshit for it? I tried doing a droptimizer for heroic and it's only 87 dps increase but all the daggers from 15 vaults at 252 is between 126-130 dps increase

pseudo hamlet
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For MH?

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MH damage(ilvl) > everything.

gloomy rose
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ohh the wrists have socket, then yeah probably I agree with eazye

digital zodiac
fossil raptor
arctic walrus
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You will also replace that chest if you get sylv

oak sky
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max shadowgrasp is like the 3rd best trinket

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pretty good

digital zodiac
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I forgot... is there BIS time to use it?

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or is that only in m+

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i guess in raids we just use it whenever its up?

oak sky
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yup

north basin
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@dawn ivy post ur 51% crit setup

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Wanna know where is "crit at all cost" gear approach stops.

zinc frost
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Until your sim says otherwise?

noble umbra
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how do u sim enhanced conduit slots?

fallen arch
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oh wow for the first time ever ep+vig outsims bs/ds for me on single target

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So I don;t have to feel bad for playing it on Guardian

late birch
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can you link sim?

fallen arch
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No clue how that happened

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Tonight I will have rank 4 frost tho, might switch stuff around again? idk

late birch
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I get like 200 dps increase withh BS/DS D:

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idk

zinc frost
fallen arch
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yeah guess what dumbass invested in unholy right away

zinc frost
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You and me both? kekw

alpine garden
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Doomblade simming higher than dashing with 42% crit :/

fallen arch
zinc frost
fallen arch
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must be necro

alpine garden
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Venth!

fallen arch
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an anomaly

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what lvl frost shards ?

alpine garden
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4? I think

fathom flax
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Foreboding?

alpine garden
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Yeah

fathom flax
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Post the sim

fathom flax
alpine garden
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Just re-running to check some stuff

late birch
alpine garden
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Yeah ok so dashing sims higher with bs/ds but with ep/vig doomblade is better

worthy cliff
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oh damn im the same ilvl and i cant get that dps

real bay
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hes simming with WF youre not

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gap is smaller prayge

zinc frost
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Plus hes frost venth

storm quest
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is it just a sim thing i have lvl 3 frost shard and my level 1 unholy shards sim higher

worthy cliff
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Whats WF?

zinc frost
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Wind fury?

worthy cliff
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I always get lost when people use these abbreviations since i dont know em

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My guild doesn't use windfury so i sim without it

celest ruin
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any tips for padding in heroic sylv? ive tried everything the best i could do is 98

gloomy rose
slow wadi
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Is kevin bug making marileth best now?

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1 spike gives 20sec kevin buff instead of 10 assuming it broke when they fixed necro for sp

alpine garden
fallen arch
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Magic, voodoo

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Idk

feral wasp
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does edge of the night still works for 1 rogue per raid ?

vital crane
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Hello. When frost set explodes and does dmg, does it have a set range?

limber lion
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what.

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No, it was literally fixed before the dagger was introduced in the live game

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It was bugged in the ptr

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which is the place

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where you test out bugs

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and get rid of them

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and they did that

gloomy rose
fallen arch
halcyon briar
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hello im actually wearing 2 korthia dagger 220 ilvl and i have in great vault Sylvanas dagger 246 and Tirna's dagger 252. in sims tirna's dagger is ahead but rogues in my guild telling the opposite. whats your advice plz

whole pilot
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That’s unfortunate

fallen arch
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I had to make the same choice today

next dune
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I'd take the tirna 252. Main hand with Crit haste is better. You can get a sylv dagger from raid and vault anytime

noble umbra
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how do u sim enhanced conduit slots

next dune
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Well not "anytime" but yeah

fallen arch
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Its haste vers irrc

wind dune
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dont believe there is a crit haste dungeon dagger

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yea

next dune
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Thorn wood? Ah could be verse

whole pilot
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The same logic applies to a 252 dagger though

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You can loot one from remnant

fallen arch
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If you have access to mythic remnant on weekly basis yes

drifting cosmos
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how come dashing is worse for necro?

fallen arch
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Cos doomblade is better with sbs

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It’s an extra bleed which counts towards bigger envenoms

drifting cosmos
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oh yea true

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cheers

next dune
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How's dashing in mythic plus?

fallen arch
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Dont use it

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Pick obedience or zoldyck

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It’s not great

next dune
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K sounds good. Was curious with the poison spread aoe

fallen arch
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Ye I guess that could be nice for big groups

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But with a couple of bleeds you’re gonna be energy saturated pretty quickly

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Which means that part of leggo is redundant

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That’s how I see it at least

celest ruin
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262 dashing sims better for me in dslice than 262 doomblade and 235 zold

fallen arch
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Have you tried it in real dungeons?

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For me doomblade and zoldyck also sim close

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But for they’re not close in most cases

celest ruin
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yea but only in 16s and 15s, i do about 9k-9.8k overall

fallen arch
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Zoldyck>doomblade I mean

celest ruin
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but if i upgrade my zold to 262 it wins out

harsh thicket
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I need some help.
I was playing with blindside / stratagem and the venth leg and was simming at 9k7dps with frost shard.
I switched yesterday for elaborate planning/vigor and dashing as leg (I have 980 (39%) critrate) and my sims dropped to 9k5.
I assumed it was just a sim but better in boss fight but i tested on a dummy and I have really lost tons of dps.
What did I do wrong ?

fallen arch
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Bs/ds is only better on guardian if you can play it well

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All the other bosses have some type of multitarget scenario

quaint sequoia
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Can u have too much crit?

fallen arch
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No

harsh thicket
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Is having to much crit possible ? 👀

quaint sequoia
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so no DR on it?

tacit wedge
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There's DR on every stats

fallen arch
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there is

thorn grotto
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There is DR on all secondary stats at some point but that doesn't mean you have too much of it

fallen arch
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So u follow sims to tell u when to switch out

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crit for something else

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Cos for every profile the behavior of that DR will be different

quaint sequoia
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aight

harsh thicket
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In which scenario you use dashing or doomblade on raid ? I don’t know which one i should use

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When i look at logs over 75% parses, it’s 50/50

frosty cedar
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dashing when you have frost set as venthyr

halcyon tapir
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Is 9k overall in a 1 chest mists 17 fort good dps or should i be doing a lot more? Necro

dense hamlet
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cant tell without any context and routes a certain number dosent show alot

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overall depends on alot of stuff

halcyon tapir
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Ah ok, i cant get a feel for performance... any advice i can follow as a yardstick?

nova imp
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if timed, ggwp

verbal mantle
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overall can be different regarding tanking, pulls and path in the dungeon so it's a nice metric, but take a step back about it

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9k seems reasonable for a mists 17 as necro sin

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but theres always room for improvement

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and you eventually hit 10k overall

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which is just a number, what matters is where and when to deal big damage

iron orchid
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In mists your overall can be heavily affected by how well you burst on the first boss vulnerability phase

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Which is also affected by your group members' performance

halcyon tapir
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Appreciate the advice guys =)

open gust
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does main-hand/off-hand matter much? i have heroic sylv dagger and just got 252 mists dagger, which should be in main-hand?

green ledge
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252

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Always highest ilvl in mainhand

open gust
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thanks

tropic grotto
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I am really confused is frost better or unholy for sin? unholy is simming higher for me but everyone is going frost from what i can see

verbal mantle
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Are you necro

random fossil
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would you guys craft zoldycks with haste/crit or mastery/crit?

tropic grotto
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I am

spice spire
solid nymph
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Zoldryck/Dashing and Doomblade all sim within 100 dps for me on ST PW and Dungeonslice, should I go with whatever I feel or will this change depending on gear etc? (225 ilvl atm) - Necro

harsh thicket
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Crit/mastery imo

verbal mantle
tropic grotto
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no, with doomblade

spice spire
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I still sim higher with unholy, but if I swap a ring and a non-crit piece frost becomes better

tropic grotto
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that makes more sense, thanks for that

fast frigate
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How much haste/mastery u have guys as%, and how it is recomande?

spice spire
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Whenever you get a new piece of gear, it’s recommended you sim to see what works best for you

fast frigate
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OK mate

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I tried but I have 2 big haste rings but no crit, and i thought some crit would help

spice spire
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Probably will - crit is one of, if not our best stat most of the time

fast frigate
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I'll run a sim to check that

harsh thicket
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I think that even if you reach 1500 crit, crit will still be the best stat x)

late birch
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overkill?

asdfg.PNG
tough trout
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Hey, the Silvanas Ring ist not simming good for me. But it is so much crit, should I try to get it?

fast frigate
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😍

dense hamlet
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dont feel craft if it dosent sim good then its not

tough trout
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ok

spice spire
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Set bonuses can kinda ruin that thought though ><

tough trout
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thank you

spice spire
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But 99% of the time, dj is correct

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But if you have frost on, and it’s still not simming we’ll, probably not a goal

dense hamlet
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yeah

gusty mirage
spice spire
gusty mirage
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Fair

dense hamlet
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imagine not being necro omegalul

gusty mirage
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I can’t believe you’d disrespect door of shadows like that

dense hamlet
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oh yeah

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i almost forgot

gusty mirage
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Literally the greatest most worthless spell in the game

dense hamlet
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that even existed

gusty mirage
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I do too unless I’m in korthia kekg

dense hamlet
gusty mirage
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Solid 1.5s cast to move 30 yards

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That you could run in the same time

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Just great design tbh

dense hamlet
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yeah i see no problem

spice spire
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It’s like .25s faster

gusty mirage
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Makes dropping traps behind tank spikes painsmith less miserable

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But only slightly less miserable

spice spire
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HUGE VALUE poggersgasp

gusty mirage
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OH

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It’s bis in dos too

thin nexus
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!sims

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
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Where in DoS is it good?

gusty mirage
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I have a 252 lashing don’t you dare make me consider switching back exsangery

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The pipe in mechagon and the ardenweald jizz room

spice spire
gusty mirage
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Double door dash + step = ez no dam taken

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While half your group dies to it

arctic hare
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Its super situational, but incredible in said situations

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And i opened for 22k on tarragrue heroic last night

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Totally worth it

real bay
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2 days 2 252 weps, soon 10k with ep vig

pure moth
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i also noticed chaos bane doesnt show up in the list

spice spire
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Don’t think it procc’d lmfao

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Because it didn’t do damage either

pure moth
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didnt proc and i still did 9k? lol

spice spire
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Two PI’s

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And you got the buff in between

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Checks out

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And WFT

ruby birch
gusty mirage
ruby birch
drowsy parcel
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why does kevin get 20s per buff

charred wraith
hollow nexus
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So that empowered conduit slot, which conduit people put in as venthyr

alpine latch
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You can sim that, I believe.

ruby birch
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But yes you can also sim it

hollow nexus
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the yellow conduit is the enhanced right? cuz then it tells me to put lashing scars into it

runic maple
#

I am running dashing so mby stats are way more important

lavish lichen
#

Same enchant on hc dagger?

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Idl why enchants are so hard to see on mobile

runic maple
#

oh fk lmao

#

yh fked up on enchants

burnt star
#

Remnant dagger is suppose to be worst

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So ya u probly did a mistake

celest marlin
#

Yo .. is Nadya the shits now ? 😄

burnt star
#

Nadja has been bis since we got last row

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Empowered conduit is.irrelevant

runic maple
#

gaining about 120 dps now from hc sylv dagger, so it was the enchants lel

worthy heart
#

Yo, so i'm in the middle of a really hard choice: i'm going back venthyr cause necro outlaw is kinda meh for me in raid, and i have just enough cinders for one 262: i play m+ regularly, and i'd play them as sub, i'd also play raid as sin, but i don't know if i should make an obedience262 or a dashing scoundrel262

burnt star
lavish lichen
#

What leggos do you currently have?

burnt star
worthy heart
#

All the relevant ones, dashing, doomblade, obedience, finality235, celerity 262

burnt star
#

Obedience with frost is really close to dashing

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And obedience is bis for sub

lavish lichen
#

Yes id prob do that

burnt star
#

I would skip doomblade

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And go for dashing after obe

worthy heart
#

Ok, i'll do that ty:D

burnt star
#

U have frost gem i presume right

worthy heart
#

Yep

burnt star
#

Since u come from.outlaw

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If u want higher raid number u could also go dashing (if u have obe 235)

slim pebble
#

My guild killed heroic sylv once when I wasn't there, added a raid day that I cant make where they will continue to kill it. Pugging is a nightmare... Maybe my dreams of sylv dagger wont happen

burnt star
#

In m+ i doubt the 235/262 obe is gonna be the reason u deplete

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In raid 262 dashing will help u achieve a bit higher parse over 262 obe

But neither will be the difference between a green/purple sim

runic maple
#

if u play sub aswell, I wld definitely go obedience 262

worthy heart
#

I'll think about it

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I'd play sub just for the m+

burnt star
#

There are no bad choice

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One or the other

worthy heart
#

Because assa is a nightmare and outlaw is unplayable as venthyr in dungeons

burnt star
#

Depend how well u can play with a shorter lashing in raid

runic maple
#

if u are in to mythic raiding and dont mind being sub in raids for some bosses, I wld go with obedience

inland oasis
worthy heart
#

I know, but i dont like it without sbs

inland oasis
#

Ah ! I understand, sbs cp gen is so damn good

fallen arch
cosmic sandal
#

whens best time to use salvaged fusion amp?

#

with fleg?

thin gate
#

guys is there anything special to take care of when playing Dashing Scoundrel + Venthyr Assa?

#

i wanted to craft the Dashing Lego now played with obedience be4

cosmic sandal
thin gate
#

got all Sahrds Rank 5 and 42% crit atm

#

but i mean about rotation

#

is it still mutilate slice n dice mutilate garrote?

cosmic sandal
#

same as usual

#

yup

thin gate
#

i got a question about the opener

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i mean like i go Muti - Slice - Muti (now im at 2-4Combo Points)

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if i am at 2-3 Combo points should i do another mutilate pre Rupture or should i go Garrote Shiv Vendetta Flag Rupture Vanish 2x Muti Envenom?

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or 6 CP Vendetta Flag Rupture Vanish Mutilate Shiv Envenom

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bcs i mean pre Flag should always be 6 CP

lunar otter
#

garote flag rup

thin gate
#

but doesnt it suck to start the Flag with 4 CP?

green plover
#

guys quick question, in my vault i got the shoulders from kel thuzad with leech (no frost boni so far) and the guardian trinket. both in hc version. wich one would you take

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sim is already running^^

thin gate
#

should i force the 6 CP with Garrote into Muti into Vendetta Flag Rupture Mutilate Shiv Vanish Envenom

lunar otter
#

check logs of high passers

thin gate
#

Both are Huge but i can only say Frost Boni Is Broken AF especially in cleave where assas strougle a bit compared to other classes

green plover
#

ryluk you should aim for vendetta when rupture is already running

sterile chasm
#

Frost not work aoe

thin gate
#

it does.

#

the Damage u deal Saves Damage

sterile chasm
#

Procs only

thin gate
#

into the Frost

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yh thats what i mean KT + Dormazain is Free ST DPS

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it wont Proc AOE but FOK = Free Damage load

green plover
#

btw, does crittical poison proccs trigger the frost boni?

sterile chasm
#

And posions

thin gate
#

any damage u deal up to 180 get safed

green plover
#

cause then dashing scoundrel should get a totaly new value

thin gate
#

(only Critical damage too)

#

Dashing = BIS.

#

around 250 Dps increase to me compared to Obedience Leggo

sterile chasm
#

Doomblade work good too

thin gate
#

and tbh i think Doomblade/Dashing are a safer DPS increase than Obedience, sometimes u wont be Able to have 30+ Stacks on ur window and lose dps

green plover
#

pref doomblade>obedience

gloomy rose
thin gate
#

i think Sylvanas HC Ring + Remnant Mythic Necklace are pretty much Must Haves atm

#

im stacking Crit like crazy and the Sim tells me get more LOL

slim jay
#

Whats your crit at

thin gate
#

40++

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still tells me to get rid off my haste Enchantments and sockets and grab crit

slim jay
#

Yeah mines at 42% but it tells me to do 1 haste ring enchant+gem

thin gate
#

at some points haste>crit bcs of all the AA+ Dots were running

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but i feel like 42% crit should be the break point

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like 42 Crit ~20 Haste as venth

slim jay
#

Im necro so idk

thin gate
#

as necro ur playing with the 18% crit proc right?

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and the execute repeat dps

#

Heimir or who it was

slim jay
#

Heirmere yes

thin gate
#

yh, because as Venth u got the Nadija Mistblade Proc which leads into a 10 Seconds Crit Proc afterwards (20% Each)

#

Haste into Crit

slim jay
#

Been doing dashing but moght go back to doomblade because i think it pulls ahead by like 100 or so dps

#

Since im not venth

#

Was going to swap to venth but might want to play outlaw too so

thin gate
#

well i guess Outlaw/Assa = Necro Sub/Assa Vent

slim jay
#

I think venth pulls ahead in raid for all specs

spice spire
#

Outlaw can also go venthyr lol

slim jay
#

But loses value in m+

thin gate
#

@spice spire i meant if u play outlaw / Sub M+

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and assa for raid

spice spire
#

Ahhhhh I see makes more sense then RHmm

thin gate
#

i mean tbh theyre all really close to each other and every Covenant provides some value and play we ur comfortable with

slim jay
#

Nightfae

thin gate
#

no

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dont

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do this

#

LOL

slim jay
thin gate
#

i call it, 9.2 NF BIS Kappa

slim jay
#

Anal [Sepsis]

thin gate
#

well u got a free Cheapshot on Boss

#

why not

slim jay
#

We're all furries now

subtle tundra
spice spire
#

Free silence from garrote when we run subterfuge in 9.2 Prayge

gloomy rose
#

well tbf its also generally bashing a fluffy pillow standing in one spot without mechanics

slim jay
#

Nightstalker bis

thin gate
#

@spice spire id like to see a mastery buff and run around with 400% Mastery.

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@vtuber everything for the big envenom.

spice spire
#

I hate all of this conversation

#

But

#

Gorilla together strong ApeYes

winged basin
#

me walking through the discord today

thin gate
#

@subtle tundra ty btw, didnt knew.

plain thistle
slim jay
thin gate
#

Ape Gang WYA

slim jay
#

I should go night fae so i can blame it for my mediocre parses

spice spire
#

I’ve created a monstrosity Sinscheme

slim jay
#

Its not my fault guys, my meaningful choice is handicapping me

winged basin
fallen arch
#

So

#

Do we boneboys go marileth now? As long as this bug lasts?

gloomy rose
#

I mean I dont see why not

slim jay
#

What bug

fallen arch
#

Kevin

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Lasts 20 sec instead of 10

slim jay
pearl jungle
narrow ravine
#

Kevin's oozling, not Kevin!

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Kevin is far too powerful and busy to help us

#

would be OP

gloomy rose
fallen arch
#

It’s Kevin

#

Cmon

narrow ravine
#

I got a few side grades last night unfortunately they are all in my socket slots and I now have to farm korthia again for 3 more sockets

hollow river
narrow ravine
#

been tapped buying conduit upgrades

slim jay
#

Grats

bleak sky
fallen arch
#

Don’t think so

narrow ravine
#

well normally the oozling gives 6% damage 10s, 30s cooldown, thats ~2% dps, the bug makes that ~4%

#

so its fairly significant boost for the time being

slow marsh
#

You could already have 100% uptime on ooze and it still wasn't better I thought

narrow ravine
#

maybe with deathspike you could

#

but who runs that anymore

fallen arch
#

I do in world stuff

#

super fun

#

10/10 recommend

iron orchid
#

I mean, even without deathspike, in dungeons it's basically 100% uptime

#

so straight up 6%

fallen arch
#

I meant for raid

lean fossil
#

didnt the ooze always last 20 seconds?

slow marsh
#

For raid it's 100% uptime if you time it

spice spire
#

I know what I’m testing tonight bearJAM

thin gate
#

guys can some1 send me the String for raidbots with the doomblade Back Haste Crit 262 pls

#

when i add leggos it wont show a Doomblade back...

slow marsh
#

I answered my own question

fallen arch
#

You play triple potency with Marileth right ?

#

Never actually used the soulbind

sturdy mesa
#

Is there any haste requirement to efficiently play assa

bleak sky
spice spire
#

Yes @fallen arch

bleak sky
#

disregard stats, listen to raidbots prayge

fallen arch
#

wicked

spice spire
#

No @sturdy mesa the haste requirement is >0

spice spire
slow marsh
#

Im pretty sure the bis m+ build goes 0 haste o.O

verbal mantle
coral aspen
#

How do I do more damage as assassin? What are some easy tips to improve?

spice spire
#

You still want some level for energy regen. Just a lot less

slow marsh
#

Press shiv more

coral aspen
#

should i always be max energy when shiving? or do I just press it right away?

spice spire
slow marsh
#

No

echo cargo
#

Stand behind the boss

slow marsh
#

Just press it on cd

echo cargo
#

Xd

spice spire
#

Slam that shi on cooldown

slow marsh
#

Unless you are about to have to move away from the boss for 10s

coral aspen
#

Ok I will try that

#

what if I'm at 1 combo point and 0 energy

spice spire
#

Slam it

slow marsh
#

Press shiv

coral aspen
#

won't I miss using an envenom in shiv?

spice spire
#

Doesn’t matter

fallen arch
#

doesnt matter

#

SLAM IT

slow marsh
#

Think if shiv as an uptime buff

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Not as a window buff

spice spire
#

Trust in the slamming friend Prayge

coral aspen
#

But it just seems wrong for some reason

#

but I trust

fallen arch
#

forget the amount of envenoms in that window

#

Focus on that when ur able to remember slamming it when it pops up

#

Yes, ideally u pool before and dont refresh bleeds in that window

slow marsh
#

Instant dps increase guaranteed

fallen arch
#

But that comes when ur able to manage energy and cp

coral aspen
#

Ok I will test it out on some bosses, ty for the help. I feel that other assassins out dps me by 10-20% even when I feel i hit my rotation correctly

spice spire
#

Also weak auras are your friend for helping dps

fallen arch
#

Ok so when running Marileth instead of Heirmir

spice spire
#

If you don’t use them

fallen arch
#

Do I manage SBS any differently?

coral aspen
#

I have weak auras yes

tacit bay
#

I'm trying to decide between 2nd HC Edge of Night or a 252 dagger. Is there a way to sim a patchwork fight where the boss ends at 50% hp? (sylvanas, kraal). I would like to see how much value edge of night loses in that scenario

narrow ravine
#

I set a hash mark on my energy bar as a point of reference, how much I want to pool before shiv comes off cooldown, and a sound effect happens about 5 seconds before it to remind me to pool

#

its helping

spice spire
lavish lichen
#

Can you send me that plez @narrow ravine

bleak sky
spice spire
#

You’d want to maximize your uptime on Kevin as I don’t think it stacks so once the oozeling leaves, pop another sbs

bleak sky
#

sim, but probably wps

spice spire
#

You can sim it, the sims pick up the empowered bearJAM

fallen arch
#

DEATHSPIKE STONKS

tacit bay
fallen arch
toxic badge
#

what would you take guys ?

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fallen arch
#

oh no there's not

thin gate
#

for M+ and cleave the M+ and Edge for ST 24/7

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do u already have 1 Edge?

#

if not then Edge 100%

lavish lichen
#

Can you get daggers traded by other rogues?

fallen arch
#

It depends on what he has now

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and it depends if u multispec with sub

spice spire
slow marsh
#

True I was about to reeee and you have a good point

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If you dont have edge already, take that

toxic badge
thin gate
#

i mean /simc raidbots Patchwork

toxic badge
#

I multispec sub for M+

fallen arch
#

then edge

bleak sky
fallen arch
#

If this is current

slow marsh
#

edge 10000%

thin gate
#

yh sim urself but i guess edge for sure

bleak sky
#

Alternatively:

fallen arch
#

u lucky bastard with yo daggers

toxic badge
#

😄

fallen arch
#

1 m+ and gets a dagger

bleak sky
#

Clear the raid this week;
If no dagger drops from sylv, get it from vault

toxic badge
#

thank you guys

fallen arch
#

10 m+ every week, first daggers this week

lavish lichen
#

I have 252 with korthia off hand kekw

bleak sky
fallen arch
#

is there a 252 korthia off hand?

toxic badge
limber lion
#

No

lavish lichen
#

No I have a 252 MH AND a korthia off hand

fallen arch
#

euh, I read that wrong

lavish lichen
#

Nah

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I just can’t type

toxic badge
narrow ravine
#

you get two daggers from her you must transition over to a sub

#

it is the way

fallen arch
#

What would you use the other 252 for

narrow ravine
#

edge lords

thin gate
#

for myself a offhand sylv dagger is 100 dps increase compared to a 252...

slow marsh
#

the edge is the best OH for all 3 specs

narrow ravine
#

ive simmed myself several times with it in the OH and its lack luster

slow marsh
#

as sin sure

#

but it's better than other optoions so

dull cloak
#

200 dps increase from 252 dagger to 246 edge on offhand

slow marsh
#

yeah sub will do that

dull cloak
#

this was outlaw lol

thin gate
#

(dont forget the execute effect)

fast zodiac
#

Is the Edge of Night Sim buggy atm?
I got a 252 MH and 246 OH
If i switch the OH with the 246 Edge i lose 200 DPS. Sounds pretty wrong for me

narrow ravine
#

did you enchant it

fast zodiac
#

yeah, same enchants

narrow ravine
#

link the the result, we cant guess, just have to look at the sim

fast zodiac
#

Running the sim again atm, found a little mistake in the settings

#

But still its weird in my opinion

narrow ravine
#

thats about what I get, around the same to a dps loss of a few, not 200 at least

#

its lacking stats on the dagger which is hurting it for us

thin gate
#

well, just kill Mythic Sylvana and get a 259 dagger then

spice spire
#

True YEP

fast zodiac
#

But thanks for your help guys

slow marsh
#

its most likely just losing the crit on your OH dagger

final sky
#

can i give you guys my logs? i took a 3 week break from wow and after coming back i seem to be doing less dmg and my energy regen feels a bit slow.. can you see if im doing anything wrong?

spice spire
#

Yes

final sky
#

mainly the kt one we never got past p2 on sylvanas

#

i can find some other bosses though

spice spire
#

A lot of energy and CP wasted

#

But let’s look at other fights

strange python
#

Were you going down on KT?

final sky
#

yeah

spice spire
#

As KT is a bit wonky if you’re going down

strange python
#

You're just not gonna parse on that going down, period.

final sky
#

kk ill look for some other fights

lavish lichen
#

I mean

strange python
#

link like a guardian

lavish lichen
#

Parses don’t matter

#

Just look at gameplay

strange python
#

if you really want feedback

spice spire
#

Holding CDs is cring and having to do ST while other rogues can do aoe

final sky
#

i dont think i did guardian after coming back, i did normal painsmith today but i dont think i kept the logs

strange python
#

Just wait till people are regularly pugging KT H -- and go in, then even if assigned down, just don't go

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or work it out with your RL that you guys take turns.

narrow ravine
#

I am picked to go down on KT every single time...

thin gate
#

"Just don't go" - Every Raidlead liked this.

strange python
#

lol i am too on every character i have

final sky
#

found the painsmith logs

clever kindle
#

oh no you cant pad on the adds you cant kill anyways until the downstairs phase is done

#

pain, suffering

lavish lichen
#

“Ele has the best movement”

thin gate
#

guys got a question do i get 50 Soul cinders from doing this Korthia Attack in Maw? that 1 u can do 1 x per week

alpine latch
#

I know I can sim this, but in general it's finishing your Shard bonus THEN leveling the other shards, right?

lavish lichen
#

Mf bring some melee

clever kindle
#

Im sure me and the other sin rogue will be downstairs, just work with the job you have in your raid

#

(on mythic)

#

we do go down on heroic normally

final sky
thin gate
#

@alpine latch the Shard bonus iLVL always picks the lowest Shard from the Set so ur goal is to get 3 x Frost Shard Lvl 5 Into 1 Offensive Unholy and 1 Offensive Blood on 5

alpine garden
final sky
#

i think i did 1 set of runes

strange python
#

Yeah but how many bombs did you get and runes did you run

spice spire
final sky
#

1 set o fbombs too

strange python
#

you literally can't compare stuff like this.

spice spire
#

Wait

#

Okay

clever kindle
#

Big parses on fate scribe rely on juicing the adds

#

You're better off looking at your damage to boss parse and see how that is

#

Assuming your adds are dying at the right time and everything

spice spire
#

During MA window, you shouldn’t be garroteing.
Your opener as NL during the MA window should be SBS > SnD > Mut > then garrote > rupture if at 4 CP

bleak sky
#

How do we sim fae guardian buff?

final sky
clever kindle
#

borpaBased Finally broke 10k sim mark

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spice spire
clever kindle
#

ignore the talent though the number shown is for deeper strat/blindside

final sky
#

it'll be normal tho since i missed hc guardian :p

clever kindle
#

Its just a talent compare

spice spire
#

No worries

#

Guardian is the easiest to look at because it is a patchwerk fight

final sky
spice spire
#

And outside of being hella unlucky with the orbs shouldn’t be a ton of deviation

strange python
#

@clever kindle that is necrolord? What legendary?

clever kindle
#

necrolord with dashing scoundrel

strange python
#

ok - yeah i just need the frost bonus still

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I"m running unholy cause i dont have shoulders yet

#

feels so bad

clever kindle
strange python
#

so bad

bleak sky
clever kindle
#

I got lucky with my dom sockets to start so I picked those whenever possible so I could trade them

strange python
#

i mean i UPGRADED my frost ones already

#

and am running unholy lol

#

cause it's what i got

clever kindle
#

Still missing a frost shard?

strange python
#

no missing the shoulders

clever kindle
#

oh duh

#

the shoulders are the activator

strange python
#

i have one chance left on mythic tarra tomorrow

clever kindle
#

I got mine from my box

#

and said fuck it

final sky
weary marten
strange python
#

lol my vault always has duplicates

clever kindle
#

the first ability you should use is SBS

strange python
#

@weary marten did you upgrade the shards to the same level as unholy? Also one thing is that it scales with crit you know

bleak sky
final sky
#

oh ok

clever kindle
#

So im pretty sure that Frost set is also causing a gap between Shadowcore oil and sharpening stones

#

as well as potion choice

weary marten
strange python
#

wait can shadowcore oil crit and trigger it?

clever kindle
#

More crits from Shadowcore oil and from the potion

#

yes

#

it can

strange python
#

oh god

spice spire
clever kindle
#

Im pretty sure anyways

#

shadowcore oil does crit, and the value is almost perfect

#

It's around like 540-560 for me

weary marten
bleak sky
#

!oil

prisma monolithBOT
#

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

clever kindle
#

which is pretty much the frost set cap for crit absorption

#

yes

#

Frost damage is ridiculous

strange python
#

sigh

spice spire
#

A. Same as above, your wasting a lot of CP in avoidable stuff - and here you wasted a bit of energy.
B. Your opener is off, see above for that 😛
C. You’re not saving your remaining SBS for gemstone procs. On this fight it says you fired both off at 4-5 seconds in; but gemstones didn’t proc until 8s. Which means you missed some free crits in potentia

clever kindle
# bleak sky !oil

I'm aware of what the normal thoughts on it are but I wasn't sure if crits from the oils were being considered over the non secondary damage source provided by sharpening stones

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Same thing with using stat potion

wide ridge
#

sims telling me to drop from 47% crit for more haste feelscryman

bleak sky
rapid flame
#

Any reasons the apl tells me to not vendetta pre-flag and rather vendetta after going right into shiv? surely that must be wrong idk

chilly viper
#

Do u use a WA or

weary marten
#

does the ilvl of the shoulders affect the strenght of the frost set also ?

#

like if i have 239 shoulders, would i gain even more with higher shoulders

bleak sky
north pecan
#

Don't think there is a way to game the frost set, just do normal priority

rapid flame
#

^is what im refering to, not only is it delaying vendetta for seemingly no reason, other than pre-vendetta envenoms after shiv AND losing out from added damage values of using vendetta on the global before flag. this is playing with obedience and CT, not playing shiv conduit either. APL is not the best or?

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spice spire
chilly viper
#

maxed out unholy first too sadly

alpine latch
#

I leveled all of mine to 3

#

Then started working on Frost

#

I think a few are still 2 but all DPS went to 3 and the Unholy Aura one

uneven summit
#

According to you guys, what are must-have wa´s as assa rogue and in retail right now

spice spire
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spice spire
#

I like afenar’s a lot

alpine latch
#

I don't think there are "must haves", personally. I think that changes for all of us.

spice spire
#

Had to fix that NODDERS

fallen arch
gusty mirage
deft wagon
#

If obe sims +4 dps more than dashing

#

I was just gonna craft dashing but now idk

arctic walrus
#

What level is your frost

heady drum
#

my frost is r4 and obe sims 60dps more with bs/ds

deft wagon
#

my frost shards is rank 4

chilly viper
#

how much time should I sit on Vendetta to line up with Blood lust?

shadow tusk
#

If you wont lose a cast, unless you need lust+cd's for a mechanic or smth

uneven summit
#

Obedience stats?

#

crit/vers for multispecc?

shadow tusk
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crit/vers for sub crit/haste for sin, pick your poison

deft wagon
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crit haste

gusty mirage
wispy leaf
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!oil

prisma monolithBOT
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Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

gusty mirage
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But tbh it’s kinda whatever, the 54(?) secondaries at 262 ilvl won’t make or break it

quasi grotto
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how do i add a upgraded m+ piece to top gear ( i dont have it levelled yet )

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i want to compare with the rings i got in vault

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have a feeling ill need both but dont wanna burn valor

bleak sky
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ilevel=246 in the simc input

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head=",id=186330,gem_id=187318,bonus_id=7188/6652/1485/6646"

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let's say this is my head and I want to change its ilevel

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head=",id=186330,gem_id=187318,bonus_id=7188/6652/1485/6646",ilevel=246 and you're good to go

quasi grotto
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thank you very much. will give that a go now

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couldn get the i level to change. unless it just doesnt show on the selction

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but slyv ring seems to simming as a loss :/

spice spire
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You can also droptimize pieces you need happybear

strange python
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Yeah as far as weakauras - they're very personal. I think it's good to get ideas from the popular ones - but then make your own.

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All of mine are custom made. It helps to know some LUA - but in reality you can just "steal" stuff from the other sets too.

bleak sky
quasi grotto
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its in brackets * 236 ) changed to 246 and nothing

bleak sky
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can you put the string in here?

quasi grotto
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to long to post haha

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messaged you it

drowsy parcel
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remove the bonus stuff

bleak sky
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bonus stuff is fine, just needs to add ilevel=ilevel at the end of the string

subtle gyro
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Anyone have a good WA for the Decanter trinket?

bleak sky
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yea don't use decanter that's the best wa

subtle gyro
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well it was better then the Heroic Sludge trinket i was using

shadow tusk
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decanter isnt bad

viscid spear
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236 Shadowgrasp last night, haven't gotten around to trying it out

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Guildie said she macros it to her most used ability and it accounts for 2% of her overall damage
peepostudy

shadow tusk
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its really good

rustic whale
viscid spear
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Was running all the PF keys my guildies had too

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Mine's a Spires, I always do poorly in that place

split cipher
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Careful though, it will pull things out of combat with a bad tab target

viscid spear
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Yeah I'll have to try it out on open world stuff, never had it before.

prisma cypress
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do you guys still play assassination on spiteful weeks?

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doing m+ without those subterfuge garrotes is such a drag

spice spire
strange python
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lol - i do still -- i think it depends on the group, sometimes i have no issues restealthing.

gloomy rose
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I just play assasination, the other two specs are not fun to me at all

bleak sky
strange python
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just spam that /cast !stealth macro

bleak sky
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my sub is dogshit, so I play sin

strange python
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yeah i dont know why sub doesn't sit well with me.

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like i do fine doing dailies in korthia, but anything longer and it doesn't feel right

sterile chasm
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guys

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i am blind or it not simming my legendary back?

hollow river
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It is lol

tired dagger
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It’s under mutilate

sterile chasm
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thanks

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XD

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i am blind haha