assassination

[gusty mirage]

dude we did a carry last night

and one of the carries was out dpsing our shadow priest

kinda sus if you ask me

[hollow talon]

[rough creek]

raidbots is telling me my 226 OH is .2% better than normal EoN?

[nocturne herald]

For a trinket like Salvaged Fusion, given is fine just holding it for Vendetta everytime?

[amber mountain]

how weere they on mechanics?

[gusty mirage]

the carries?

not bad actually

[harsh lantern]

Think u rip on cd

[wintry mica]

no, just use it whenever you flag

[nocturne herald]

Am Necro

[harsh lantern]

I’d imagine cd then

[wintry mica]

then just use it on CD the damage wouldnt be buffed by vendetta

[nocturne herald]

Not sure I want to deal with a 3rd covenant swap for Venythyr

Oh I thought vendetta buffed stuff like that. Ty I was going to just macro it with Vendetta to not forget it

[terse talon]

macro it with mutilate instead ^^

[limber lion]

Never ever macro it with a generator

[terse talon]

dont macro it with muti

[nocturne herald]

Rofl

[amber mountain]

I have 2 on use trinkets as of today's vault. Shadowgrasp totem macro'd in with my vendetta, and now Grim Codex that I haven't macro'd in with anything yet

[nimble tinsel]

I have mine with Shiv and SBS cause I'm lazy

[wintry mica]

pretty much every damage amp only works for specific class abilities and not trinkets, apart from a fire and sub conduit iirc

[limber lion]

Macroing trinkets with anything is actually a really bad thing

Well, not "really" bad

But imagine hitting Sylvanas when she's at 99% damage reduction and you pop your trinket

Imagine hitting a chain on Sylvanas to oneshot it and pop your trinket

[thorny nest]

When I sim legendaries with topgear, it shows the same one on all the options (doomblade), but in 'my top gear', it shows dashing. Is that a bug on my end?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aLMhnVdkj9mqJzzhF8xsrE

[amber mountain]

I'm thinking either shiv (after shiv), or CT/Envenom

[nocturne herald]

That's why I tend to macro with Vendetta anyway since like if I'm popping that I'm expecting her to not be going damage reduced in 30 seconds lol

[indigo shard]

Hey team. My guild is getting ready for mythic guardians this week. Can we cloak soak the obliterate?

[odd heath]

Yes

Soak 1 and 3 or 2 and 4

[indigo shard]

Okie thank you!

[wintry mica]

waiting 30 seconds on a 1.5 min trinket means you only get 75% as many casts through a fight

[nocturne herald]

Yeah that's why I asked about holding before* I won't be doing that. I just meant in general macro's to Vendetta like the PvP ones or something

[wintry mica]

yea I was going to macro totem to vendetta, but with the cd reduction its not worth

and like cev said there are some scenarios where you may want to trink without vendetta or vice versa

[amber mountain]

Cev, I don't see an issue with macroing Shadowgrasp Totem to Vendetta in either of those scenarios. If i'm popping Vendetta, it's because I'm expecting a big damage window. That said, I can definitely see potential issues with macroing to other more commonly used abilities

[bleak sun]

Are we going nadja with empowered Conduit lashing scars now ?

[wintry mica]

if you use shadowgrasp when there are adds up and they die it reduces the CD below 2 minutes

[fallen arch]

/gkick

[wintry mica]

so you are holding it and could potentially lose a cast in some situations

[amber mountain]

Yep, which can definitely screw up the timing

[wintry mica]

the main thing cev was saying was definitely dont macro things to builders

[amber mountain]

I know it's not perfect 🙂

Yeah, that jsut seems like a bad idea to begin with

[terse talon]

yeah shame om that person suggesting that

:p

[amber mountain]

lol

[wintry mica]

its better than never using the trinket at least lol

[limber lion]

They were specifically talking about Fusion Amp

[amber mountain]

Yeah, i'm in a gear state where things are constantly being upgraded and changed, so I forget about shit all the time 🙂

[limber lion]

And Fusion Amp is a 1.5 min cooldown, Vendetta is a 2 min cooldown.

Never, ever, macro things together that share 2 different cooldowns.

[amber mountain]

Yeah, you'd lose a lot of casts that way

[terse talon]

i have fusion amp macroed with flag

[limber lion]

It's fine if you want to throw the sgt there

But I still wouldn't do it

[brazen zodiac]

i hope u all get good stuff :D

[limber lion]

There are moments where you want to use it slightly later or earlier

[wintry mica]

still iffy if you ever run obe

[limber lion]

Or you want to hold Vendetta but want to send your trinket on cd

[wintry mica]

I also dont know if its an optimization but when I used amp I wouldnt pop it right when I popped flag

[amber mountain]

Oh, i still have the trinket on my bars for those situations (if i want to run it earlier)

[limber lion]

Plenty of scenarios where macroing abilities/trinkets together is not worth it.

[wintry mica]

Cev may know better but I would hold fusion so it would end right when the flag buff would end

instead of casting at the start, not sure if haste effects the procs on it or not though

[terse talon]

yeah, true

im just old… dont need more keybinds

[wintry mica]

yea, for a while i had double on use and when I did AOE with CT I ran out of keybinds lol

[terse talon]

was 16 when playing vanilla. now im 33 and cannot manage too much anymore haha

[dark token]

macro it together but have a seperate bind for on use trinket usage, imo

[amber mountain]

wow... you're ancient (I'm 42)

[dark token]

scenario 1: if you have vendetta and fusion amp off cooldown, you would always use them together

scenario 2: fusion amp off cooldown, vendetta isnt. Use it seperately

[limber lion]

Why?

[dark token]

saves button presses?

[limber lion]

Why would you have 2 keybinds for them

[dark token]

and it doesnt cost anything

[limber lion]

But then also macro together

There is literally 0 reason

to do that

like literally 0

[dark token]

blood fury is macrod to my vendetta

no reason to not add /use 14

[limber lion]

That's fine

No

[brazen zodiac]

i thought vendentta doesnt do anything on trinkets? did i read something wrong >.<

[limber lion]

Trinkets and racials are completely different

No, Vendetta doesn't.

That's correct.

[brazen zodiac]

so why would u want to save or use together if one is 2 and other is 1.5

[limber lion]

But there is literally 0 reason to have separate keybinds for your trinkets AND macro it with your Vendetta

[wintry mica]

basically every class damage buff is hard coded to only work with their class abilities

[limber lion]

Like you either macro it and be a dumbo, or you don't, as you shouldn't.

[dull cloak]

macro trinket with vendetta, track triket with WA, press macro if you need to use trinket works too

[dark token]

it doesnt, but if both are off cooldown you would use them together as usually flag is off cooldown too

and it DOES affect fusion amp

[dark token]

exactly

[limber lion]

lol.

[dark token]

idk i just like to save button presses

it doesnt hurt performance

[limber lion]

What do you mean

[dark token]

it costs me nothing to add /use 14

[brazen zodiac]

i like pressing more buttons its kinda fun

[limber lion]

one keybind

on a spec

that is LOCKED to 1gcd/s

will never hurt you

Also

You have 2 keybinds

You're already using 2 binds for it

so why would you not use it

[dark token]

exactly

[limber lion]

there is literally 0 reason to do what you're doing

[dark token]

so i dont have to press it? its literally a free -1 button press

[limber lion]

And you do NOT want to always press it with Vendetta.

[dark token]

maybe im just lazy but that makes sense to me

[wintry mica]

vendetta also doesn't buff fusion amps damage

[limber lion]

why does that 1 button press matter whatsoever?

[dark token]

cause i like to do minimum effort possible for max performance?

[limber lion]

Might as well macro Vanish and Envenom on it as wel

If you're going there

"Max performance"

Macroing things together

is FAR from max performance.

[dark token]

idk why people hate macros

[limber lion]

I don't think anyone hates macros.

[dark token]

you just have to think about every scenario you would use it then setup macros in such a way all are viable

[limber lion]

Macroing 2 things together though for Assassination is just not optimal most of the time.

[dull cloak]

macros are fine to use, but it has to make sense u can't just slap everything together

[limber lion]

For Sub it's completely fine.

[thin imp]

He's just saving one buttom press in the opener, I guess is more easier to do the muscle memory of the opener

[dark token]

exactly lol

[limber lion]

But you literally can't do a
/cast Vendetta
/cast Vanish
/cast Envenom
/use 14
/use 13
/use Blood Fury
/use Drums of Malfury
/use Potion of Phantom Fire

like

[dark token]

im not talking about dumb stuff like that

[thin imp]

He is probably using it after flag or at cd with another keybind

[limber lion]

It's not maximum performance.

It's just laziness.

Nothing else.

If you want maximum performance, you press your guardian trinket IMMEDIATELY when you start the fight

[dark token]

im talking about targeted macro usage to reduce button presses where you can

[brazen zodiac]

:DDD

[limber lion]

Not with Vendettta

[dark token]

cause idc about going zxzcxasd

[thin imp]

that's was the point he said it was just laziness

[limber lion]

He said

[dark token]

i have carpal tunnel and im lazy

[limber lion]

It's "maximum performance, minimum effort"

Which is not true

Me too buddy

[dark token]

vendetta bind exists, trinket bind exists

[limber lion]

But that's just a very poor excuse for playing wrong.

[dark token]

not like im losing anything adding /use 14 to vendetta right?

[limber lion]

You are

[dark token]

ok

what scenario would you not use fusion amp if you press vendetta

[amber mountain]

I'm gonna go get the hugging sweater

[dark token]

both are 20sec single target procs

they serve identical purposes

[limber lion]

First of all, Fusion Amp is hasted so it gains value from having more haste

[odd heath]

I have vendetta macross for best performance

/Cast vendetta
/Use fire-eater's vial

[wintry mica]

using fusion amp later in flag is more beneficial than immediately when you cast vendetta

[odd heath]

Best dmg amp

[limber lion]

Using it 8s before you finish your flag during bloodlust is the most optimal case

so you get full 20s of flag value

out of the trinket

Also

MOST trinkets you want to use on cooldown

Meaning you press them the very first second of the encounter

[dark token]

yeah i do use it on cooldown with my onuse trinket bind

[limber lion]

Not 6s in when you would normally Vendetta

[dark token]

oh i see

[hasty siren]

From all of this. All i hear is #makenightfaegoodagain

[limber lion]

Also

[thin imp]

is there a list of the trinkets that are hasted?

[limber lion]

Sometimes you want to only Vendetta, but not use the trinket

If you use Shadowgrasp totem

And you know there's going to be adds coming up

You're not going to pop it on the boss

You're going to look for resets from the adds

To get more value out of the trinket

[dark token]

if i have a scenario where the trinket is useful in scenarios outside my major cooldown i dont macro them

so grasp totem or quantum device i wouldnt

[limber lion]

Fusion Amp also has a completely different timer than Vendetta

You don't literally have to press it with Vendetta

[dark token]

but i understand the argument for pressing fusion amp on pull (1st global) vs vendetta

[limber lion]

You can press it in the beginning, 5s after Vend

And that completely voids you having it macroed in the first place

[dark token]

or after flag haste proc

[limber lion]

Like

Macroing things together is just poor play.

It's completely fine for Sub

but it's not for assa.

[wintry mica]

yea should clarify its poor play for sin

[dark token]

i think it depends on fight timer ultimately, if you get another partial usage out of doing it 1st global its def worth

[amber mountain]

Taking notes "Sub = poor play is ok"

[wintry mica]

good luck playing boomy without macroing some stuff lol

[limber lion]

Sub can't press Shadowblades, Shadowdance, Symbols and Shadowstrike manually

So you need macros

[dark token]

foreverguy says you should

[limber lion]

But that is far from the truth for Assa.

[vast forum]

no thanks 🙂

[dark token]

yeah i agree in general, i have like 4 shadow dance macros for sub for various scenarios

cause you dont want to waste dance globals

sin its a lot less useful

[limber lion]

But even then you don't want to macro trinkets/potions on it

Because it really varies on how you want to use them.

Depending on the encounter.

[dark token]

potions 100% i never macro

[vast forum]

that would mean i press pots on irrelevant reclears 😄

[dark token]

8s of fusion amp in flagellation is a fair argument, the on pull thing depends on if you gain a partial usage for 6s on boss kill timer

so ill prob split it to get the extra haste if it doesnt affect my usages

i would macro something like dreadfire vessel to vanish tho @limber lion

[wintry mica]

if you can reliably predict your kill times well enough to know if that couple seconds of holding will lose you a cast thats pretty impressive lol

[limber lion]

Oh boy.

Why would you ever macro them together? :)

[dark token]

MA proc for extra crit chance

[limber lion]

That doesn't work like that first of all

It's whitelisted

[dark token]

sadge

[limber lion]

It doesn't work on DFV

[dark token]

ok nevermind

[limber lion]

lol...

[dark token]

i have legion mindset thinking that my tooltips actually are accurate vs hidden behavior

[limber lion]

MA, the talent, has never worked on trinkets btw.

It's only the legendary that did and that was hotfixed with the NW shenanigans.

[dark token]

interesting

[nocturne herald]

I thought MA did cause that's why people were using it with the leap trinket in PvP stuff

[dark token]

that was the legendary

[nocturne herald]

Oh disregard me

[limber lion]

The legendary did yeah.

[dark token]

stuff like vendetta used to work on them too

pretty sad they removed that

[limber lion]

when was this

[dark token]

legion?

[limber lion]

aight

[dark token]

shadow dance/symbols would definitely increase trinket dmg

unless im totally cracked out of my mind

[sudden canyon]

im so nervous

[limber lion]

Could have, I'm not entirely sure.

Didn't look into rogue apl/theorycrafting much back then

[wintry mica]

I think legion was when they changed it from increases all damage you deal to increase the damage of your abilities and melee attacks

[dark token]

i havent really invested in the nitty gritty theorycrafting since legion which was when i last played seriously

so i may make some wrong assumptions sometimes

[nocturne herald]

At one point Vendetta was a 30% dmg amp > attacks/abilities, or at least the tooltip said that.

[sudden canyon]

jack

[scenic osprey]

if i dont pick the vault loot and go kill 9 bosses then take the loot from vault , would 9 kill count twoards ths week ?

[sudden canyon]

shit

fuck this game

[cursive silo]

no it's BFA

Legion was what made the change happen

with Draught of Souls

[dark token]

yeah

[harsh lantern]

Don’t think so

[dark token]

and the tomb of sargeras aoe trinket

MA + symbols + shadow dance + aoe trinket was rediculous dmg for sub

[wintry mica]

but now its only shadow damage for sub and fire damage for fire mage that get buffs

they might have even removed the fire mage one

[subtle gyro]

Is dashing worth using before having the shard bonus, or should i stick with Obi? Opinions? Have not simmed yet

[wintry mica]

dashing is good even without frost set

but obe probably outsims it without the set

[brazen flare]

Stick with me homie

[subtle gyro]

lol, cleaver name

kuddos

[fallen arch]

Why wouldn’t it?

Vault represents last week

So u can hold out on getting anything until after your raid, that’s fine

U won’t get your keystone tho

Which can be fixed by running a low one

[sharp orchid]

which conduit do we want in the upgraded slot lashing or well placed steel?

[wintry mica]

lashing

but you can just sim it

[limber lion]

Either of those two, you should sim to see which is better.

[scenic osprey]

so I can go to raid without looting from vault kill 9 bosses and loot after the raid this week , and next week's vault still 9 bosses slot coming tuesday

[wintry mica]

yea you can stack up multiple weeks of vault drops without grabbing anything if you wanted to

[scenic osprey]

@wintry mica that sounds nice but lol

can I hold the temptation is the question

[wintry mica]

did you open the vault yet?

[clever kindle]

That depends if you value progression or end game bis

[viscid spear]

No dagger or Phial
At least I have my 5th Dom socket now

[clever kindle]

Having the item later in the week wont help your raid at all this week

[wintry mica]

unless its a blatant choice or a m+ drop I will wait until after we clear farm to grab something from vault

or at least thats what Id do if I ever got anything decent from my vault

[clever kindle]

Right but again you're taking progress away from your raid for personal gain

So that's a personal choice to make

[wintry mica]

which is why i specified farm

[scenic osprey]

no not yet , im actually planning on stacking 2 weeks loot tbh

[wintry mica]

theres quite literally no reason to

[north basin]

in m+, whats more important on 2-4 targets, keeping envenom debuff or apply CT?

[lavish lichen]

I dont see why would would do that tbh doesn’t change anything

[scenic osprey]

i have a raid group that can farm first 9, and a group for m+ so i got semi carried for a bit lol

[clever kindle]

Just take your slot machine upgrade and move on lol

[lavish lichen]

Just loot the item you want ez

I needed dagger got 252 dagger ez as that

[clever kindle]

its true it's just that simple

you either get the item or you dont 50/50

[wintry mica]

yea but theres still no reason to not open the vault

nothing you can do this week will change what options you are given

[scenic osprey]

ill try it for this week lol

[wintry mica]

2+ targets you want 100% CT dot uptime

[scenic osprey]

its heroic KT sylvanas against the 15 key loot

[wintry mica]

you shouldnt really be running dashing in m+ so I wouldnt worry about envenom uptime in aoe

[slim pebble]

I can’t wait to loot my 252 phial after spending all my valor upgrading the one I looted this week

[scenic osprey]

that too

[real bay]

same bro

its guaranteed now

[stark smelt]

I tried that a few weeks ago, all my vault did after that was give me trash

But at least I have a 246 phial!

[wintry mica]

just do what I do and assume you will get trash

then when you end up taking tokens you arent as dissapointed

[slim pebble]

My first week back after a 2 month break I looted a 252 dagger. Since then I’ve gotten trash

[wintry mica]

I would do unspeakable things for a 252 dagger

[kind talon]

Sheesh

[slim pebble]

I’m listening

[nocturne herald]

I'd do unspeakable things for things other than my korthia ones

[wintry mica]

they are unspeakable so I cant mention them

yea I have a korthia dagger oh still

and im not even r6

[nocturne herald]

Yeah both of mine are korthia and I'm not farming the r6

[astral plover]

im suddenly simming 400 dps less today thjan yesterday. rip

[wintry mica]

you done fucked something up

link it if you want me to take a look

[astral plover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pxhGS3SpGzpPbApV26tJvp

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tikJcxzxtKXenWqiy6L8AR

[slim pebble]

We want our lashing scars to be “enhanced” right?

[astral plover]

we do

[slim pebble]

I’ll obviously sim myself but I was just wondering because I only have a 200 lashing but have 239 toxic blade

[wintry mica]

the ilvl of the shard you put in doesnt really matter

[kind talon]

Do you mean

Well placed steel?

Lol

[harsh lantern]

252 wps is easy to get a ways

[wintry mica]

you get 2 upgrades worth of bonus to the empowered conduit

[harsh lantern]

Anyways

[kind talon]

226 lashing is easy to get

Just do korthia

[harsh lantern]

Ye I got it finally haha

[astral plover]

@wintry mica

U see my sims?

[deft widget]

do we have a bis cloak if we dont slot with lego

[wintry mica]

yea im not sure why that quick sim is so much higher

oh that first sim has oth shard instead of dyz

but that wouldnt be the whole difference

[kind talon]

It would be

[astral plover]

Gonna laugh it it is

[wintry mica]

it should be like 100-150 dps i think

since its like 1.5% dmg

[astral plover]

Yep simming 9850

[wintry mica]

also make sure to run nightly sims and not weekly

[kind talon]

Rest is explained by the frost set sim fix

So there u go

[raw fog]

Hi all , whats the pourcentage of dps from flagellation i should have in my total dps to know im using it well ?

[kind talon]

Ez clap

[late gulch]

is poison bomb alot worse then tempest in dungons?

[wintry mica]

yea

[limber lion]

Yes, very.

[kind talon]

Yes

[limber lion]

Always run CT

[late gulch]

ah ok

[limber lion]

There is no secret % number.

[wintry mica]

flag doesnt actually do that much damage in sims its like 4%

[limber lion]

If you use Flag before a finisher, you're playing it well.

That's all there is to it

Build to max-1 cp, flag then finish

[violet hemlock]

And using it on cd

That parts important

[wintry mica]

depends on fight length, but yea

[violet hemlock]

Not missing a cast a better way to put it?

[wintry mica]

yep, thats the general rule of thumb for desyncing for basically all classes

only hold if you dont lose a cast or a strat requires it

[alpine latch]

You showing off my logs again? 😢

[wintry mica]

dang I actually gotta do the weekly before raid since we get an empowered conduit

[cerulean nest]

ay, 252 offhand in vault, grabbed r4 frost and dashing

decent reset day

[raw fog]

@astral plover i saw yours sims tried to sim the same gear without sockets and got like 2k less dps, domination sockets do that much dammage

[wintry mica]

grats

[pseudo nimbus]

Guys if I play frost set with dashing + DS, BS - for which bosses I should consider changing to EP + Vigor?

[cerulean nest]

all except Guardian realistically

[wintry mica]

yea, guardian is the only actual ST fight

[burnt star]

I find remnant to be perfecly good for ds/bs

[wintry mica]

if you are ignoring orbs then yea

[kind talon]

Remnant is ok for bsds

[burnt star]

I mean we just garr/rupt the orb

[wintry mica]

you also are less likely to cap energy when moving for dispells

[burnt star]

Made our tank tank it close to the esdge on mythic

So all melee can stay on it

[cerulean nest]

ideally we're sub on nerzhul for the double shadowstep lol

[hollow river]

Not necessary

[limber lion]

With what setup?

[hollow river]

Afaik you can step every MD

As sin

[cerulean nest]

not if your group refuses to MD 🙂

[hollow river]

Well that’s not ideal either

So

[wintry mica]

with ep/vig over bs/ds

[limber lion]

Ah yep

[slim pebble]

Yes I’m just bad 😅

[cerulean nest]

I can hit 46% crit but sims wants me to stop at 40%. feelsbad

[brazen zodiac]

ooo lashing scars got enhanced :o

[deft obsidian]

Did I miss the great US vault unveiling?

Favourite part of the week

[burnt star]

Missed nothing

Got 3 token again this week

[wintry mica]

tokens for me as well

im about to just start opening shit as outlaw since i cannot get a dagger to drop from anything

[strange python]

well no shoulders for me but i did get the UH gem i need.

will have to try again on heroic

[hollow river]

252 phial is waiting in my vault

Too bad I won’t open until after my 3 raid nights

[deft obsidian]

I was dreaming of a guardians trinket in the vault but rnjesus hit me up this reclear 😍 now I’m not sure what to try look forward to

[wintry mica]

lol why not

[strange python]

I grabbed some 252 legs out of mine

[hollow river]

I’d rather get full reclear loot first

And decide loot spec

Another H edge of night would be sick

But I need Veinripper

Too

[wintry mica]

i need all the weapons

[deft obsidian]

Still yet to see an edge of night, in any difficulty

[gleaming jackal]

same

[deft obsidian]

Feels Sadge

[hollow river]

Hopefully I get in on M remnant reclear this week

[wintry mica]

ive only seen one wep the whole tier and it was a remnant dagger in my vault

[deft obsidian]

Seen one remnant hc drop and one in vault, zip from mythic yet

[gleaming jackal]

the only weapon ive gotten this tier is veinripper normal

[crystal delta]

Ive killed sylv heroic and normal 4x now and Not a Single edge

[hollow river]

I have 252 outlaw mace

246 EoN

239 remnant daggie

[wintry mica]

must be nice

[hollow river]

No phial or H fusion amp

[polar ice]

So it's just the sims that were adjusted for the frost set? I see my sims are lower slightly

[crystal delta]

I have 2x pf dagger, 252 and 246

[gleaming jackal]

yeah got my h fusion on first kill so atleast im lucky there

[wintry mica]

yes, only sim, you shoud be using nightly instead of weekly btw

[deft obsidian]

Max phial & M fusion, still no weps. It’s always one or the other isn’t it

[gleaming jackal]

yup sadge sadly havent gotten the phial either though

[wintry mica]

yep, I got 252 phial and totem, and a korthia dagger equipped right now

[hollow river]

[plucky isle]

sylvanas dagger (HC version) seems to a small dps upgrade compared to a normal 246 dagger?

[polar ice]

Nice tip. thx

[hollow river]

OP

How big of a hit did we take on nightly build

[wintry mica]

nightly build was fixed several days ago

[hollow river]

~100 dps?

I haven’t used it yet

[wintry mica]

its just people that run weekly that are seeing dps drop today I think

[deft obsidian]

Depends really, I “lost” 150 give or take.

[wintry mica]

anecdotally people say its like 100-200

[hollow river]

I’m using frost to rank 5 this week I think

I have the embers

[wintry mica]

math doesnt really add up to that much though

[deft obsidian]

Im 1.5 week away from r5. No bueno

[wintry mica]

r4 frost proc does about 1100 dps for me currently, the bug was that sinful's 6% was buffing frost damage in the sim

[hollow river]

Kinda torn on upgrading blood

But I think finishing frost first is the play

[wintry mica]

which would be like 66 dps

[hollow river]

That’s why sims were saying double sinful

Ye

[wintry mica]

but sinful also only has like 1/3 uptime

[hollow river]

My sub sims ahead of everything

Even with frost

Wonder when my outlaw will pull ahead

[wintry mica]

frost is really close on sub

[hollow river]

100-200 dps diff from blood at bis levels

Idk about lower gear levels

[deft obsidian]

Sub simming like 50 dps more over sin for me.

[bronze wagon]

sin is like giga op on boss damage for sylvanas so i'd go frost

[hollow river]

Sub sims like 400 more for me

[deft obsidian]

But that’s frost vs unholy

[hollow river]

I’ve already got frost R4

And I usually play sin when we start prog on a boss and as I get more comfy I give sub some tries

[plucky isle]

is edge of night still the bis weapon option?

[hollow river]

Depends on ilvl

[deft obsidian]

I prefer using frost sin currently for prog. Also just prefer sin in general

[gleaming jackal]

yeah i can relate sin is def more fun for me than sub

[wintry mica]

doesnt feel as bad to get mechanics as sin imo

[hollow river]

Double Mythic sylvanas daggers are bis

[deft obsidian]

Sub is just higher APM whackamole it feels like

[hollow river]

But heroic is a bit different if u have a 252 dagger

I think heroic sylvanas dagger is bis Off hand

[plucky isle]

aye, comparing the HC version vs a 246 normal dagger and its a 10 dps upgrade

[hollow river]

Over a 252

10 dps is not worth writing home about

[deft obsidian]

I’ve 2x 246 upgraded daggers and a Sylvanas 246 is like ~65 dps increase

But a 252 is more like 90

[hollow river]

Yep

[plucky isle]

guess i'll have to sim it once i get one

[deft obsidian]

So yeh 252 MH/Sylvanas 246 OH 👌

[plucky isle]

thx guys

[hollow river]

Sylvanas dagger is way better for sub

Huge upgrade

[deft obsidian]

Crazy how much more. Like 240 😂

[wintry mica]

shadow damage too op

[hollow river]

Probably why my sub sims a lot higher than my sin

[plucky isle]

does sub benefit from the weapon oil as wel? 🙂

[hollow river]

Part of the reason anyway

[wide ridge]

you guys think we'll see triple potency nadjia once we get all 3 of them upgraded?

[wintry mica]

yea that and they just use more CP than us

[deft obsidian]

Maybe this week I’ll snag one, want to try sub more once I have one

[balmy condor]

Probably not

[hollow river]

Oil or sharpening stones same as any blade weilder

[balmy condor]

Sin conduits are trash

[wintry mica]

people vastly overestimate how much conduit upgrades give you lol

[gleaming jackal]

+1

[wide ridge]

true

[balmy condor]

Conduit upgrades are like 15 dps

[deft obsidian]

Yeh 226->252 lashing was like 18 dps

Huge pogs 😂

[hollow river]

[deft obsidian]

Meanwhile a warrior in guild was getting near 100 dps from upgrades

[hollow river]

Yeah some classes have good conduits

Mage and warlock for example

S priest and boomie have decent ones too

Iirc

[wintry mica]

nah boomies are pretty trash

outside of the covenant ones

shit i just did the world boss before i grabbed the jailer weekly

[hollow river]

Lol

[deft obsidian]

😂 I tend to get my coffee on reset and hit the assault/world boss. Last 2 weeks I’ve forgotten the quest before doing both

[wintry mica]

well at least I grabbed the anima one so I can turn that in for the nadjia empower

[lavish grove]

Did anyone try BS Vigor build? Sims 100dps lower but I'm wondering if it feels better to play

[brazen zodiac]

oh no

[balmy condor]

We played that at the start of nathria before we got gear

[sudden canyon]

i kinda like bs/deeper strat over EP/vigor.

[deft obsidian]

Only really play it for guardian but it’s nice, feels a bit slower but juicy envenoms

[burnt star]

Still better then mythic remnant dagger.

[sudden canyon]

the EP playstyle fits a bit better with current assa trying to keep 100% uptime on it just naturally has you pooling properlly.

imo

[balmy condor]

I mean ep is better because there’s a ton of random cleave in the raid

[lavish grove]

How does ep benefit from cleave? More uptime on it due to more bleeds and more energy?

[deft obsidian]

@limber lion you run PB or CT for Fatescribe?

[balmy condor]

Increases all damage, and more uptime yeah

[limber lion]

CT on Mythic, PB on Heroic if we're soaking everything.

[visual prairie]

is tiny dancing shoes power good for spiteful?

[balmy condor]

Blindside is just raw single target

[visual prairie]

worth giving up shield?

[deft obsidian]

Yeh working on mythic atm, cool will give CT a whirl

[balmy condor]

Remind me what’s that one

Idk the names tbh

[visual prairie]

2 free melee dodges every time you enter combat

[balmy condor]

Probably not worth

You rarely drop combat before the spitefuls come up

[visual prairie]

yeah, but if you didn't get meleed during the fight i think it would still be active?

from the start of pull

dunno. feral guy who does a lot of keys was promoting it. i was skeptical

[balmy condor]

Yeh I guess

I mean at the end of the day, those powers are kinda whatever anyway

So you can take it, see if you like it

Won’t really change much

[thorn fjord]

Kind of torn between continuing using maim, mangle over Well-places steel

[loud light]

it's up against stone ward so you better be getting meleed by those guys a lot to be worth it

[thorn fjord]

my WPS is 252 though and the Maim, mangle is only 226

[balmy condor]

Does maim actually sim higher than wps for you?

That’s kinda fucked

[thorn fjord]

it was but with the upgrade to 252 its not anymore

[wintry mica]

I assume you are running doomblade?

[thorn fjord]

yeah

WPS is simming higher now though

but having the increased mutilate dmg still seems nice

[balmy condor]

Over increased envenom and poison damage?

[spice spire]

MM sims higher for me. 226 vs 239 WPS too

[balmy condor]

Fried

[round swift]

Roughly at what percent crit does frost pass unholy?

[spice spire]

NL diff chief

[wintry mica]

Only with doomblade though right?

[round swift]

When running DB

[spice spire]

Yes

[wintry mica]

Whenever the sims say it does

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t equip maim even if it simmed like 40 higher

[lavish grove]

Do you track EP with a weak aura? Or I shouldn't overthink it and it will just happen that I hit inside EP with proper pooling?

[balmy condor]

Can’t make me

[balmy condor]

I do, but it’s really not that important

[spice spire]

It’s like 52 or some shit - or it was

[thorn fjord]

gotcha

makes sense with the poisons

trying to decide what to craft this week... Really want DS but having Obedience for Sub seems so nice too

[gleaming jackal]

just make both

[wintry mica]

It doesn’t take too long to get the ash for a r4

[thorn fjord]

i skipped torghast weeks 5-7 lol

i have the ash for a r4 now

but im a poor boy 😦

[gleaming jackal]

same

[wintry mica]

R4 cloaks are pretty cheap too, what other leggos do you have

[thorn fjord]

DB R6 and Zoldyk R4

oh and MA R4

i think obedience over DS considering i already have the R6 DB

[wintry mica]

I’d make obe then, cause I bet a r6 DB is better ST than r4 ds

[thorn fjord]

yeah

[wintry mica]

And you use obe for basically everything as sub

[limber lion]

@balmy condor Anything good from the vault, king?

[balmy condor]

Haven’t opened yet, not ripe enough

[wary ice]

grats on green cev

idk how old that is but i just seen it

[balmy condor]

That’s like 3 months old xD

[wary ice]

I dont stop by assassination very often

[balmy condor]

Tru

He also got scooped up by method

That ones more recent

[harsh lantern]

ouch

[deft obsidian]

Was watching danwar reclear and seen his name in shining lights, repping

[wary ice]

congrats getting scooped by method cev

[deft obsidian]

Actually, it’s probably been asked. Any future streams planned @limber lion

[balmy condor]

Already have an amp I assume?

[harsh lantern]

ye

[balmy condor]

Unluck

[harsh lantern]

gloves would be best if they werent a dom location

unlucky

prolly just take the boots

[limber lion]

Wish I had those boots.

[violet hemlock]

I want those too

[deft obsidian]

Got em this reclear finally, last peasant in the leather crew needing em

[limber lion]

Probably soon-ish. Gotta sort my streaming setup out first. Can't be sitting at 12 fps during a raid with the stream on

[limber lion]

Tytyty

[balmy condor]

Wish I had you

[limber lion]

Tytyty

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

i'm all yours babyy

[gleaming jackal]

did sims get changed? im simming lower than usual

[limber lion]

#tc-updates

[violet hemlock]

/cast [@mouseover] Serrated Bone Spike?

[placid pagoda]

I sorted it thanks man

[violet hemlock]

Cool

[half igloo]

new to assa, do you ever press Ambush in legit any content or situatioN?

just seems like a dead button both in pvp and pve

[wary ice]

u ambush w/blind side procs

and i think thts it

[half igloo]

that talent seems like a meme tho

[mint gorge]

which slot should I go for the Dashing leggo?

[obsidian socket]

back

also week X still no vault dagger

[mint gorge]

decent, and just before I commit, purely going from Logs and being a Necro Dashing Frost = Best right

[next solar]

we did it, we finally did it

[kind veldt]

Sink what’s best for you

Sim*

[obsidian socket]

anything dashing frost r5 will be best ST

BUT, venthyr pulls like 1k ahead of necro in pure ST

[kind veldt]

Typically BS+Ds sims better but EP+vigor feels more smooth

[fallen arch]

Where did u get that 1k from

[obsidian socket]

i rounded too much

[slow marsh]

same

Where is @gusty mirage i changed my prof pic back just for him

[spice spire]

Busy day for him iirc

He’ll be around in a few hours

[balmy condor]

[slow marsh]

he usually just pops in and out so makes sense

[obsidian socket]

anima drought

[narrow ravine]

im necro dashing frost man, still thinking of switching to venthyr that ~500 or so dps is hard to leave on the table...

[slow marsh]

Necro is fine

[viscid spear]

Aralon had to give up Ursoc's soul because Whispyr hogged all the anima

[slow marsh]

you make it up with add pad dam

[narrow ravine]

im here looking at 30-50 dps upgrades and leaving 500 on the table, seems silly

[obsidian socket]

its also simulations mane

[slow marsh]

necro is more consistent ye

[obsidian socket]

nobody truly gets 500 more dps jus by being venthyr

[slow marsh]

you kinda do

but

yeah

[obsidian socket]

o

[grizzled orbit]

Is there anyway I can sim which conduit is best for the empowered slot? I have a 252 well-placed steel vs 226 lashing.

[narrow ravine]

top gear

[balmy condor]

already have 252 legs, the dom helm is equipped, the 252 bracers are the same 252 bracers I have equipped, the 252 head is a dom socket

[spice spire]

[balmy condor]

ocular would have to beat 246 phial and 239 fusion amp

[spice spire]

Somehow I’m going to get a worse vault

[narrow ravine]

my 252 options this week were the same haste neck as last weeks, and a 252 cape

this is my 3rd week in a row that the vault had no upgrades, feels bad

[deft obsidian]

Was a strong 14 dps upgrade over amp for me last week

[spice spire]

[grizzled orbit]

do sims take into account the empowered slot?

[balmy condor]

yes

[narrow ravine]

yeah it glows

[balmy condor]

would be silly if they didn't

[grizzled orbit]

yeah, you know how it was with shards at first. Just had to make sure.

[sudden canyon]

yo i swear u used to be able to cloak remnant knockback

did they change that

[balmy condor]

I mean, shards was a thing because blizzard couldn't decide what they should be

kinda different

[spice spire]

Remnant knock back has been finicky for me.

[grizzled orbit]

I just say a quick prayer before the mass dispel and attempt to ss. 50/50.

[limber lion]

Damn, that's a bit rough.

[balmy condor]

3 weeks in a row

[wide ridge]

i got offered iqd 3 times in a row

🤡

[spice spire]

You should always be able to step

[cerulean nest]

so i ran droptomizer bc I dont have a dom chest (kill me) but I dont think the sim adds a shard to the chest

is there any way to force it to?

[shadow tusk]

spending 40k reserach to upgrade finesse and endurance conduits is soul shattering

[crystal totem]

At this point wouldn’t the pvp crit trinket at 239 be better than ocular too

[fallen arch]

Gland

[wide ridge]

true

[balmy condor]

not to my knowledge

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

you'd have to manually add the chest to your top gear, add a gem, and then droptimizer

[balmy condor]

shows a fat loss

[cerulean nest]

meh

without the shard it's saying my 226 chest sims higher than hc Eye (probably because no crit on it?)

[balmy condor]

gland -0.8%

[cerulean nest]

but I imagine with the shard it cancels that out

[mint gorge]

Thanks all xx

[kindred rapids]

I know, but it's worth it when you finally hit that 7 DPS lashing scars upgrade

[shadow tusk]

I did get it, cus im a high roller

[narrow ravine]

I think cloak has this 0.5 second immunity at the start that blocks it, but doesn't block it for the full duration

[fallen arch]

Really?

[wintry mica]

do I take KT shoulders with avoidance or just tokens

[fallen arch]

So 239 amp > 252 gland?

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean

[kindred rapids]

Not for me

[balmy condor]

I would've been giga surprised

if it were the other way

I have 43% crit

that gland would just sit there and DR into oblivion

sounds giga shit

[fallen arch]

Ye guess that’s true

[arctic walrus]

@limber lion do u get r5 this week

[balmy condor]

I think we take it anyway

just for ilvl

to trade stuff

[spice spire]

[verbal mantle]

[arctic walrus]

it's still like 2-3% and frost set just wants to suck the life out of your crit

[balmy condor]

blood gaming

fuck yo frost

[subtle tundra]

blood 🤮

[wintry mica]

whispyr moved to the dark side of sub

[arctic walrus]

and you claim to figure this community?

[spice spire]

Blood shard gaming

[arctic walrus]

[spice spire]

[subtle tundra]

even unholy is more ok than blood

[limber lion]

Yeh

[narrow ravine]

I cant seem to find crit rings or neck, im haste heavy on all my jewelry

[wintry mica]

depending on your gear it might be an upgrade to go buy a 230 crit ring or neck

[narrow ravine]

im wearing the 230 neck cause I cant get a good one higher level

[wintry mica]

the crafted jewelry is surprisingly good

[narrow ravine]

I have several 252 necks with no crit its getting annoying

[wintry mica]

yea im using the one from tazavesh but I think im going to go buy a crafted one instead

[arctic walrus]

perpetually behind

[wintry mica]

what is it like 50 embers a week or something

[fallen arch]

56 iirc

If u clear full mythic

[wintry mica]

assuming full mythic clear?

hopefully im only 2 weeks off then

[balmy condor]

I am a dual spec gamer

[limber lion]

It's okay, you'll get it next week. One week here or there, one week difference is nada

[balmy condor]

I do as the dual spec commands

[spice spire]

Dual spec going into blood shards

[wintry mica]

blood is big brain

[arctic walrus]

working on a 0-1 upgrade a week basis

when people out here getting full bis in 6 hours

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's a bit rough ngl

[wintry mica]

the one time I wish i had been less lucky with gear was getting unholy set right before the nerfs and wasting my embers

[balmy condor]

I'd rather take a 100 dps loss for sin than a 150 loss for sub

[limber lion]

I got Korthia last week (nothing from vault), Frost this week (probably nothing from vault again)

[balmy condor]

[narrow ravine]

only upgrade ive obtained in the last 2 weeks was changing my frost set from tier 4 to 5

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Mythic daggers next week for sure

[arctic walrus]

amen

[terse talon]

did frost get nerfed?

[wintry mica]

[narrow ravine]

oh I also got KSM so upgraded phial to 246

[wintry mica]

no

[balmy condor]

#tc-updates it was a fix in sims, not a nerf

[arctic walrus]

we start seriously reclearing next week so maybe sylv drops it

[limber lion]

Eyy good shit

[arctic walrus]

and now that you know who can trade

bitch better be in idc if he's dead on the floor

[limber lion]

We only did 9/10 which is super sadge

[spice spire]

I was about to say you know who is going to get it

[tidal gorge]

Finally got a weapon this week, 10k club

[terse talon]

heres the exact same gear and my winds does less dmg on these two sims

[limber lion]

If he actually got a second dagger from the corpse

that would be legit insane

[balmy condor]

did you even read

anything I said

[terse talon]

aah no sorry

[balmy condor]

yeah

maybe do that

[limber lion]

Whose getting the dagger when it drops for him, you or Rae? @arctic walrus

[arctic walrus]

well, I still dont have 1 so :^)

[limber lion]

Rae has one?

A mythic one?

[wintry mica]

I still dont get how the sinful change ends up dropping sim dps by like 150 when just looking at the math behind how much it should have been buffing

[arctic walrus]

rae has either double heroic or 1h 1n

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair enough

[arctic walrus]

@shy dust what u got dagger wise

[cobalt pelican]

0 dagger gang

[arctic walrus]

the heroic dagger he even had to have traded from an alt who had gotten a 252 from vault and they looted it

[shy dust]

1h 1n

[arctic walrus]

we are down atrociously bad

[limber lion]

wtf lol

[placid pagoda]

I have all my frost shards at tank 4, was it a blood or unholy I need to rank for my 4th dom socket @limber lion ?

[limber lion]

shitty game, what can I say

[wintry mica]

do dyz first if you only have 4 slots

[limber lion]

Get your frost set to t5 before you start upgrading other gems.

[placid pagoda]

Okay!

[limber lion]

But after that you'd do Dyz then Bek

[wintry mica]

yea dont be dumb like me and do the math wrong

[fallen arch]

Unless m+ is bigger prio I guess

[placid pagoda]

I got dyz yesterday, bek is r2

[wintry mica]

im pretty sure im going to be like <10 embers off of r5 this week

[shadow tusk]

most people who upgraded UH is i believe

Unless they're clearing most of mythic

[wintry mica]

I bumped bek up to r3 for 20 embers like an idiot

[limber lion]

I just counted that I'll be getting t5 frost only if I'm on a full mythic run and only after killing KT. Welp.

I kinda thought I could blast heroic, do the weekly and get the t5 but guess not. Sadge.

[obsidian socket]

u get max 60 a week if ur a 10/10 m guild

thank u blizzard

[limber lion]

Yeh I'm like 55 away or something iirc

[deft obsidian]

74 🤮

[wintry mica]

at this rate we will have all 3 sets r5 just in time for 9.2 to make them useless

[obsidian socket]

[gusty mirage]

[prisma cypress]

i know i should be happy to have gotten a 252 shadowgrasp totem, but i still can't get over the fact that i'm still using 220 korthia daggers

not a single dagger drop from any raid difficulty, m+, or great vault

[wintry mica]

hey join the club lol

I at least got a remnant dagger out of vault though so I only have one korthia dag

[prisma cypress]

main hand's the one that matters, i guess

[wintry mica]

maybe one day a wep will drop for us

[prisma cypress]

i'm counting on it

because i don't want to pvp

shadowgrasp is sick though right

[wintry mica]

yep its pretty good

beats heroic amp for me

[sudden canyon]

doin heroic rn

just got 2 peices i dont need

its fucking doomed

theres no i way i get loot from sylv

[cerulean nest]

is there a WA for tracking winds of winter and, follow up, is there a point to getting a WA for tracking winds of winter

[wintry mica]

i dont know if there is a WA but there isnt much of a point

[twilit hollow]

There are weakauras and the only point is to make brain go brrrrrrrrr when you see 40k stored dam

[wintry mica]

whats the highest winds yall have gotten so far not counting tarra?

[gleaming jackal]

42k non crit is my highest i can remember

[slow marsh]

I don't play with numbers anymore but my winds regularly does like 2nd highest dam. Kinda crazy

[wintry mica]

yea its pretty ridiculous

i had a 65k on fatescribe that i think is the highest ive had

[gleaming jackal]

crit or no crit?

[wintry mica]

crit

[deft obsidian]

Genuinely don’t check often but last nights raid I had a 68k crit on guardian mythic

[plain thistle]

my max was 80k, rank4 frost

[slow marsh]

After I finally got my shoulders last week I just skyrocketed back where I belong

[plain thistle]

on sylv progress

[slow marsh]

On top bb

[wintry mica]

i had a couple 80ks on tarra with r4

but thats cheating

[limber lion]

My best was 129k on KT

With r4 frost

[gleaming jackal]

wtf

[wintry mica]

lol

[slow marsh]

The funnel is kinda dummy good for it

[limber lion]

Yeh, a lot of adds with dashing + ct

kinda nutty

[plain thistle]

"stop dps stop dps" 130k frost sorry

[limber lion]

Probably could get even higher if you just Env - Fok - CT - Vanish

[plain thistle]

[limber lion]

And just stand in vanish doing nothing

and waiting for dots to tick

[wintry mica]

lol i never thought of that

[slow marsh]

Omg

[wintry mica]

thats some cheesy shit

[slow marsh]

You are disgusting

[limber lion]

We legit had problems with this in Mythic KT yesterday because we stopped 2% before transitioning in Phyl

And all 3 of our winds would proc and push the boss

2 rogues and a dh

[cerulean nest]

what would that do?

[slow marsh]

Is it worth going from world 2k guild to 1500? I feel like itd be roughly the same

[oak sky]

i got a crit item in vault

[limber lion]

Vanishing procs Master Assassin, so you'd be sitting at around 90-95% crit chance until you cancel the vanish

[slow marsh]

Ma 50% crit bonus for all the dots to stack up winds dam for big blastie

[limber lion]

So all the poisons/bleeds around you would crit.

Which in turn would add in to the winds damage.

I will not say that it's worth to do so

But if you want to cheese a frost proc just for the luls, then that's one way to do it

[cerulean nest]

I dont understand entirely how the "buildiing" of winds works I guess lol literally just switched to it

[gleaming jackal]

for every crit you do the frost set stores a certain amount of damage and after 20 seconds you deal the amount of damage you stored

[cerulean nest]

ohhhh I see

[frosty cedar]

make crit crit also add to crit pile. Make hit also crit sometimes big dam

[deft obsidian]

Stores a % (based off of rank) of crits up to a max of X (rank based again) and releases every 20 seconds in one big boom

[gleaming jackal]

and it can crit aswell

[cerulean nest]

so then it that case wouldnt you want a WA to track that?

so you know when its about to happen

[shadow tusk]

dont really need it

since you dont play around it

[gleaming jackal]

yup

[limber lion]

There's nothing you can do to pump it up when it's about to happe

So there's no need to track it

I just track the damage to see how big of a hit I did just for the fun of it

[arctic walrus]

76% crit chance btw

[cerulean nest]

so play completely normally and just watch the big booms happen every 20 secs

[arctic walrus]

[gleaming jackal]

yes

[cerulean nest]

for sure

[limber lion]

They removed KT from Allstars

[arctic walrus]

I personally disagree i've been wanting a WA for it because you can waste a proc at very unlucky timing

[limber lion]

best fight down the drain

[cerulean nest]

is the boom proximity based btw? like if it booms when im off doing a mechanic do I lose it basically?

[arctic walrus]

for example dotting an add and missing a 60k crit on boss

idk how they remove kt but not fate+soul

[limber lion]

That's true, but it's also quite hard to play around with because it will hit the last target that it gained damage from

[slow marsh]

just remove all of them at this point

[limber lion]

Unless you want to hold off adding bleeds/poisons whatever on other targets, which might not be optimal in most cases.

[arctic walrus]

oh I did not know that interaction

[limber lion]

Yeah, Koji mentioned it in #tc-updates

[arctic walrus]

i thought it was simply just what u have targetted

[limber lion]

I was under the assumption that it just hits your target

Yeah

Same

[gleaming jackal]

same

[limber lion]

I haven't tested it out personally too too much, so I just trust whatever the TC boys say

But I could have sworn it hit my target every time.

But maybe not, idk.

[wintry mica]

there is one secret way to get more frost set damage

[gleaming jackal]

crit more

[wintry mica]

yep lol

[cerulean nest]

ok ty

[wintry mica]

also my understanding is that frost set targets the last enemy that you hit with a crit

[limber lion]

Actually it was Solo who asked Koji what the impact of the commit was that included the change in the apl in #tc-research

[cerulean nest]

so on the nine for instance, if you have bleeds up on all three, itll just pick the last one that procced and only boom on that one?

[limber lion]

Looks like it.

[gleaming jackal]

yeah checked my outlaw logs and it def hits last enemy you crit

[cerulean nest]

hmm

so that would be a big waste on add phases in KT wouldnt it? it just hits like one of the skeletons

[frosty cedar]

can't wait to ruin parse on Nerzhul by it hitting 99% dmg reduction orby boys

[wintry mica]

if it overkills them yea

[limber lion]

I'm not entirely sold on it though because I still think it hits your target

buuuuuuut I might just be tripping

I'll have to take a look at some logs

[arctic walrus]

Well

The likelihood

That you don’t crit simply off an auto

Regardless of how fast you swap

[cerulean nest]

if that's the case then I'm for sure getting a WA lol so I know to flip back to boss or whatever if I'm dotting something else

[wintry mica]

i have seen some weird things in logs that I think would only happen if it was last crit

like hitting little guys on sylv that i never target directly

or a buddy had one hit anduin during the p3 transition lol

[cerulean nest]

do you have that log? ^

[wintry mica]

of one hitting anduin?

[gleaming jackal]

yeah thats what happend in my outlaw logs aswell it hit adds when my only damage on them was from blade flurry

i never target them

[cerulean nest]

i hope that's the case, bc then it really is just play normally and forget it

[wintry mica]

yea the guy that hit anduin was a frost mage and im pretty sure he hit him with a splitting ice lance during the 1 gcd you can get

[cerulean nest]

out of your control

[deft obsidian]

Nothing worse than FoK on painsmith to proc Cor/get cps and it procs on a ball that isn’t priority

[gleaming jackal]

[shell ivy]

anyone know if u can loot sylvanas dagger or any of KT and sylv items from the weekly mythic plus quest

[frosty cedar]

no

[shell ivy]

not sure if i should loot spec as sin or outlaw

[shell ivy]

no as in?

[wintry mica]

ive heard conflicting answers but never seen proof of someone getting a sylv dagger from the chest

[frosty cedar]

ye this

It says on the box 239 too

[shell ivy]

damn

yea

[wintry mica]

hmm is yorick soloable or should i wait for some peeps

[frosty cedar]

I can solo with frost

I couldn't before

[oak sky]

its soloable he doesnt do insane insane damage

could always say in chat youre on it usually at least 1 person shows up

[wintry mica]

yea wasnt exactly fast but pretty easy

i missed a group doing it by like 30 seconds so no one in chat was interested lol

[bleak sky]

got my 233 from the chest

and that's the only weapon I've seen in the chest so far

[wintry mica]

talking about the weekly heroic chest from the 4 mythic dungeons

not the vault

[somber thistle]

I had 3 daggers in my vault today. 1 239, and 2x 252.. All downgrades 😄 Had to take the token this week

[deft obsidian]

I’ve yet to see a 226 and now 252 dagger in my vault. Reeeeep

[wintry mica]

yea never feels good when ur lowest ilvl items are ur wep

[narrow ravine]

so who maintains the icy-veins pages for rogues?

[wintry mica]

i dont know if it is maintained

[plain thistle]

seli

the green guy over there >>>>>>>>>>>>>

[balmy condor]

When I tell him the guide is wrong

[narrow ravine]

just noticed that its still suggesting people use zoldycks in raids and dashing is nowhere to be found

[wintry mica]

it recommends master poisoner in aoe with dashing scoundrel that doesnt seem right lol