assassination

[torn atlas]

I was stoked to hit a 91 on the nine a few weeks back. Then I saw Cev was doing like 1.5k more. So much more to learn it seems.

[misty bough]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[oak sky]

yeah this man is a gamer

[limber lion]

My page is kinda cute now

ngl

[oak sky]

oh yeah

cev

[misty bough]

ceverion got some extra attacks

[oak sky]

in m+ its lashing katar lethal

[dawn ivy]

of all the bosses i need to get a parse on its terragrue lmfao. i never try for good powers. best is a 91

[oak sky]

or lashing wps lethal

[misty bough]

that we dont have access to

[limber lion]

Fatescribe ruins it because we always soak the adds on boost runs

so parses are bad by default :(

[oak sky]

im kinda happy i got a 95 on fatescribe without going ct

[limber lion]

I just use Lashing WPS Lethal if I care enough to change.

[oak sky]

yeah

i just simmed it because i wasnt sure

but ive heard conflicting things anyway

[limber lion]

I honestly don't care enough to change most of the time

it's like 5-20 dps

which is super duper whatever in a m+ environment

where there are millions of variables

[oak sky]

true

[misty bough]

ceverion mythic logs when

[oak sky]

katar definitely feels really good in aoe tho

[limber lion]

Method will never public log, so, never :P

[misty bough]

lol u got into method

[oak sky]

[misty bough]

damn gz

[limber lion]

:)

[oak sky]

ill never get to see and try to replicate 98% uptime on all bleeds, the perfect pooling

the stellar shiv on cd

they said the perfect log didnt exist

and it doesnt

because cev's logs are private

[kind talon]

shiv on cd is so advanced

really hard to do

:)

[oak sky]

as opposed to outlaw

[iron orchid]

@limber lion full time streamer for method when ?

[kind talon]

outlaw is braindead easy yes

[oak sky]

everything on cd

[limber lion]

Probably never ngl

[kind talon]

[limber lion]

Big prio is still viola/violin and university.

[dawn ivy]

no guys i promise outlaw is hardest spec in game

[limber lion]

But I'll def try to stream some more in the future.

[oak sky]

yoooo i used to play violin

thats poggers

[iron orchid]

I get that

[old halo]

!bis

[kind talon]

!deathly

[wintry kayak]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

[sonic schooner]

Ceve

[limber lion]

[little panther]

Hey guys very new Sin rogue here I’m new to rogue in general. Next week I’ll be able to craft a rank 6 lego. I currently have a rank 4 doom. But it looks like more people are leaning towards dashing/obedience atm. So I guess my question is should I go dashing, obedience or stick to doom? Thanks in advance!

[oak sky]

i think we would recommend dashing for raid

[little panther]

Is that because of the frost shard build?

[oak sky]

yup, and even without the frost build its pretty close to the other

others

[limber lion]

I would recommend Dashing probably as well. I have seen better results with Doomblade on some fights, but it's very minmaxy and you probably will never see the difference honestly.

It's really good and feels good to play to most people.

[little panther]

Oh okay if I could only have one for a few weeks how close is obedience to dashing? Obedience is the go to for M+?

[vast forum]

the extra energy just feels better to play even if it's a super minor dps loss 😄

[little panther]

Haha I bet

[clear shadow]

with dashi g do u use crimson tempest in ST for bosses like fatescribe and soulrender?

[oak sky]

its neutral actually

[vast forum]

it does

[oak sky]

so you can just not use it in st

[vast forum]

envenom uptime is more important

[little panther]

What is st?

[vast forum]

single target

[little panther]

Ah

[clear shadow]

CT is so annoying in ST

im progging soulrender with my guild and its actually so much fun with dashing

[chrome trout]

Does anyone know why the quick sim on raidbots wants to use mutilate over ambush out of stealth/vanish? Does the same when using both scoundrel and doomblade.

[clear shadow]

cuz mutilate gives 4 combo points when u crit

[oak sky]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[clear shadow]

also why pot on pull and not when u press vendetta

[oak sky]

because vendetta doesnt affect your pot

only stuff that comes directly from you

your abilities etc

and melee as well i think

[chrome trout]

Ah, that makes much more sense. Was extremely confused when looking at the breakdowns. Thanks!

[idle star]

How does dashing effect CT?

[oak sky]

it just makes envenom more valuable

[dark token]

It doesn't, CT (or fok) just spreads poisons which give you dashing energy

But CT does build winds of winter

[limber lion]

Yeah, you actually don't even want to use CT on single target when playing Dashing

[ruby mantle]

sorry, i read the faq but don't know if i understand correctly. as a dashing legendary, with CT, do i just CT once for the dot then use envenom? even during mob packs?

[placid pagoda]

Actually mad that 😂

[wintry mica]

you only ever CT for the dot

[ruby mantle]

thank you. it appears i have been playing wrong then 😦 well least i know now. cheers

[idle star]

Our Arcane mage got a rank 1 parse last night on Nerzuul

[alpine garden]

BS/DS but everyone seems to play ep/vig

[limber lion]

Cute.

[drifting cloud]

ceverion what if I get a seal team to PI a rogue to steal your r1 before rankings set in

you will be back to 99!

[cursive silo]

that's not how parses work

[drifting cloud]

it works like that for 100s

[cursive silo]

if you get a rank 1 once then your best will always be a 100

well if he already has the 100 set in

[drifting cloud]

they set in like 8h

[cursive silo]

which i assume he does or he wouldn't have bragged about it

[placid pagoda]

How are monks doing 25k on mythic soulrender

[drifting cloud]

ook ook adds

[cursive silo]

bursting the small ads

[placid pagoda]

Tarragrue damage with no powers lol

[oak sky]

that fight is monk

do the adds even spawn every 45?

that would just be too disgusting

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion why don’t method open log for mythic

[limber lion]

Because of poaching reasons.

But yeah, I haven't done any real mythic kills with them yet either :P

Tomorrow is my first full raid. We'll see how it goes.

[placid pagoda]

Oh that makes complete sense

[placid pagoda]

Ah good luck g that’s huge

[limber lion]

Cheers!

[woeful meteor]

Also in pure st with dashing, using ct for the dot is neutral compared to always just using envenom, at least that is what other people on this discord said.

[limber lion]

I don't think so.

Where did you hear this and when?

And by whom?

[oak sky]

i heard that too actually

[limber lion]

It might be true for Doomblade, or even a slight gain for Doomblade, but I don't think it is for Dashing.

Currently the apl ignores using CT in single target when using Dashing.,

[woeful meteor]

I forgot who answered me, but if ct isn’t used in st with dashing, doesn’t that mean it’s neutral or even worse than using envenom only.

[oak sky]

i cant get dashing 262 until next week

if ur wondering why so late its because i didnt do 2 weeks of torgy

[hollow river]

good luck man

[oak sky]

cevvy gonna blaaaast

[hollow river]

im trialing atm too

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion if all goes well does that mean you’d be raiding with them next tier?

[limber lion]

You're actually correct. Using CT is neutral or even a very slight gain.

[placid pagoda]

Providing rogue was good too lol

[limber lion]

I was just skeptical because I saw some people talk about CT in single target back in Castle Nathria and using their own advanced sims to come into their conclusions, which were back then incorrect.

But it looks like using CT in single target, even with Dashing Scoundrel, can be a gain.

[limber lion]

I'll be raiding with them next tier, that's already confirmed.

Well, unless rogue is awful

And I don't get any gear.

[hollow river]

i thought CT in ST was fine, if you're running CT anyway

in CN

[limber lion]

Or there's another dumb rng borrowed power system

[limber lion]

and I get mega unlucky.

[limber lion]

It was yes, but for Dashing Scoundrel it was actually a loss.

[hollow river]

ya

[limber lion]

But not many people played DS back then.

Just Doomy.

[hollow river]

ye

[oak sky]

hopefully just tier sets right?

[limber lion]

It's probably neutral/gain now because of frost.

[hollow river]

r u gonna learn any new classes Cev

or do they prefer otp

[limber lion]

I mean, I have 2 rogues.

I have a few alts that I'll use in splits

[oak sky]

mirror alts 🤮

[limber lion]

but I'm playing a rogue or I'll be warming up the bench.

Those are the 2 choices for me.

[hollow river]

well you'll still get in on farm the rest of the tier

i assume

[limber lion]

Well, yeah.

Obviously

But that's not really what raiding is about.

[hollow river]

i know

its the fun of prog

guild im trialing with

is first guild i've been in with a bench

xD

[oak sky]

half my guild just did less than the tank on eye prog last night 🙂

[frigid kestrel]

Sounds like an alliance raid

[oak sky]

nope

[frigid kestrel]

Ooof

[oak sky]

i was 2k dps up on 2nd

and we cant meet dps check

for eyes

and everyone is around 240 ilvl

[hollow river]

can u transfer characters to other peoples accounts?

[oak sky]

i think you can actually

[hollow river]

why don't they just do that in RWF

i know they used to just account share, which is much more prohibited now

but the account xfer on the shop says u can xfer to other accounts

[oak sky]

you probably are only supposed to transfer to another acct u own

or like same blizz account

something like that

[hollow river]

would be pointless wouldn't it

[oak sky]

can you have 2 warcraft accounts 1 blizz?

idk actually

[placid pagoda]

Why 😂

[woeful meteor]

Transfering between accounts is for multiboxing, since the 2 accs have to be/are supposed to be your own

[static gorge]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow river]

loot splits

[placid pagoda]

That’s mad tho @limber lion , congrats again - fingers crossed rogue / assa is still big pumper come new raid

[placid pagoda]

Thanks for clarifying

[hollow river]

you're allowed to xfer to a completely different blizzard account

the website says nothing about it being your own

[woeful meteor]

“The Character Transfer service allows you to move characters to other realms, different World of Warcraft accounts, or from one Battle.net account to another. To transfer a character to another Battle.net account, both accounts must be registered under the same account holder name. It is not possible to transfer a character to another person.” This is from Blizz website

[hollow river]

oh well that wasn't on the page i found

lame

[oak sky]

yeah

so lame that rwf players cant be even more degenerate

[woeful meteor]

It would just result in people selling 250ilvl characters, which would be so expensive that it results in a ton of rmt

[oak sky]

yeah

or characters with certain mounts and achieves

[limber lion]

One gets unlucky with gear/rng, there's still one more shot :)

[limber lion]

Cheers, fingers crossed!

[balmy condor]

you mean biff is holding you at gun point

[idle star]

That realisation that you should probably play a different game. Trying to be competative and grow as a dps when you cant commit to mythic raiding and all the heroic loot gets councilled to mythic raiders even when you won the roll... why am i even logging in and trying to improve?

[cursive silo]

you don't need gear to imrpove lol

[slow marsh]

i mean it should get counciled to mythic prog tbh

trolling not to

unless its tmog

[idle star]

Last night heroic amp dropped and i won the roll and raid leads like "You win the roll but DH gets it cos hes mythic" this DH does trash dps btw...

Im seriously playing the wrong game.

[slow marsh]

i mena yeah i guess so

[cursive silo]

i mean if you're only playing for the loot

yea

[zinc frost]

Or wrong guild? Maybe heroic raiding one instead?

[slow marsh]

ye should get into a heroic guild to improve not a mythic

they are just carrying you in farm content, you need to get somewhere that pushes you to improve

[half quarry]

where are the looogs!

[idle star]

Carrying me?! Hahahaha... no dude. This mythic team has a bunch of duds in it

Im at a major dissadvantage gear wise and beat most of their dps

[slow marsh]

then why arent you in mythic then

[tidal oak]

very noob question, just played assa for a few days, do i hold flagellation for vendetta? using the obedience lego, read the faq but it still confuse me lol

[brisk imp]

what's a normal amount of stacks to be getting to as Venthyr sin? I feel like 24 is relatively consistent but higher requires good crit RNG

[oak sky]

he already said he doesnt have time for mythic

[slow marsh]

oh well then there you go

[idle star]

I do shift work = cant commit to the nights 100%

[limber lion]

Yeah, sounds about right. 23-29 during lust with all cds, 19-23 without other cds/lust.

Doesn't really matter too too much.

19 is usually the bare minimum though.

[brisk imp]

24 is no lust, but yes vendetta

[oak sky]

what hurts is when flag gets parried

[slow marsh]

I mean

[brisk imp]

with lust maybe I could get another GCD in

[limber lion]

No

[oak sky]

pure pain

[limber lion]

Rogue is gcd locked to 1s

[brisk imp]

alt-F4 when flag parries, sorry guys I DC'd can we pull again

[slow marsh]

If you can't commit to mythic then gear should go to the mythic proggers

[limber lion]

It's not about haste or anything

It's about crits

[brisk imp]

I mean I might have the energy

[limber lion]

and whether or not Muti crits.

[brisk imp]

maybe

[cobalt pelican]

fwiw the dh you're calling shit parsed better than you across the night and on the pull that the trinket dropped you ran out of the circle on guardian and killed yourself 1 minute in @idle star

look inwards champ there's always room to improve

[slow marsh]

OOOOOOOOOOOOF

Actually put on blast damn

[zinc frost]

Yeah big oof..

[oak sky]

0 people play perfect

[idle star]

How would you know?

[cursive silo]

You also have 9 heroic pieces so it's not like you're getting shafted on loot lol

[balmy condor]

except @limber lion

cev is an actual bot

[zinc frost]

Method using bots, reported

[oak sky]

cev doing sim dps on every boss

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

[oak sky]

dude

i dont know where you're finding some of this damage

[cursive silo]

he presses buttons

[limber lion]

press button good

big damage

[balmy condor]

SIN OTP BTW

[limber lion]

LUL

Why you gotta expose me like that

[oak sky]

at least some of it has to be kill time

[cursive silo]

Method players when they turn cheats off

smh

[oak sky]

surely you arent like my guild killing guardian in exactly 4 minutes

[balmy condor]

4:05

[oak sky]

im checking your tarragrue log i gotta see what powers i need to get

huddled carvings potent acid gland and elethium weights

and

[limber lion]

1. Potent Acid Gland
2. Elethium Weights
3. Huddled Carvings
4. Erratic Howl or Lumbering form or Tremorbeast Heart

[oak sky]

the haste power?

damn

and then im seeing you took soul empowerments

from other people

gamer move

[zinc frost]

Elethium weights - Oh no I can’t jump…anyways

[idle star]

Your raid lets you take lumbering?

[cursive silo]

i mean for maximum pad you have people feeding you green beams and soul empowerements

[limber lion]

Nope.

[oak sky]

[limber lion]

Lumbering is also less dps because you can't abuse the green soak thingies from your friends, probably end up knocking everyone back when you try to snipe the powerups from the floor and just end up killing your team during intermission.

Not worth

[cursive silo]

imagine not standing in the aoe during intermission

[limber lion]

These were the powers I had on my best hc kill, but Obleron Winds should definitely be something else.

Erratic is pretty pogchamp.

[balmy condor]

||I always take the reduced aoe damage and fear immunity for the uptime||

[oak sky]

i think on my best log i had same as you but the 90% damage reduction one instead of winds

i love uptime

[arctic hare]

Whats potent acid gland do?

[limber lion]

Big damage and a 25% damage increase during the dot.

[cursive silo]

random proc that gives the boss +25% damage taken

[arctic hare]

Thats friggin NUTS

[limber lion]

It's the best power you can get.

Probably.

Maybe.

[arctic hare]

Thats so cool, i knew the jumping one was pretty good but I’ve never gotten that before

[limber lion]

Who knows.

[balmy condor]

[woeful meteor]

You want to line as many vendetta casts with flag as possible without missing a cast. For example in a 3 min 30 fight you get 2 vendetta and 3 flag casts, so you would hold second vendetta until your third flag. With obedience you should basically be able to vendetta with every other flag cast, this can result in loosing a cast, if you get unlucky with the duration of a fight, but I haven’t played with obedience enough to get a good feeling for that and plan cd usage around it.

[tidal oak]

ty for info, it's just i notice with my current gear i can only net a total of 10 combo points during flag window, feels kinda stiff, since according to the tooltip of that lego, i only lower 10 sec of flag lol

i mean with every vendetta i can actually just flag, but well as u say i did end up losing a cast of flag to save for vendetta, which is kinda....well

and casting a 2nd flag when vendetta is on 45sec of cd feels kinda weird

wait i did flag before rupture, that makes it 15 i think :))

[woeful meteor]

Getting only 10 cp during flag seems really weird, since you cast flag while at max-1, which means you only get one or two finishers after the initial one of during the 12 sec flag window, when assa only needs 2 gcds max to build cp for a finisher and 3 gcds max with deeper strat

[tidal oak]

i spec EP/vigor for smoother gameplay tho

so maybe im wrong , actually i have 15 cp total

[balmy condor]

ep vig is better for cleave

[woeful meteor]

That isn’t a problem the vast majority of players runs ep vigor since it deals with uptime loss better and is especially better in aoe than bs ds

[balmy condor]

usually fien

[tidal oak]

but like, usually how many cp during flag window is enough for cd reduction

[woeful meteor]

.

[balmy condor]

idk what "enough" means in this context

but sin struggles to get more than 25 regularly

[tidal oak]

hmmm

[gusty mirage]

is that why you abandoned us for the stealthy boys?

[idle star]

If i could trade rsnk 4 frost sin for rank 4 blood Sub i would... time gating be damned!

[balmy condor]

[woeful meteor]

Flag should be around 1min 10 sec with obedience on assa sometimes a bit more sometimes a bit less

[gusty mirage]

now you're shaming me for my mediocre parses

[tidal oak]

just do some testing my flag is around 1 min 15 , damn need to try harder

[gusty mirage]

try harder for what

pushing mutilate harder won't give you more GCDs in the flag window my guy

just go with the flow

you get 20? great. You get 25? Fantastic

[tidal oak]

well i just messing around with rogue for a week so i dont know stuffs lol

[gusty mirage]

if you get 15? You're probably me, and I suck

[bleak sky]

sub

[tidal oak]

at least for me, rogue looks like most fun melee spec, and i dont wanna main wheelchair casters anymore

sadge

[gusty mirage]

you'll love rogue

just stick with it, the learning curve gets easier with more muscle memory

sin is also super forgiving

[idle star]

When you have 90% crit in the MA window and only get 3 cps from mutilate suring burst

[balmy condor]

boss damage gamin

[tidal oak]

getting the hangof it in single target

[gusty mirage]

that's why I love the spec, it's just as disappointing as real life for me

🙂

[tidal oak]

but still im struggling with aoe lol

tabbing for rupture hurts my fingers lol

[gusty mirage]

aoe takes some getting used to

but sin aoe is super satisfying when you get it down pat

[tidal oak]

it's playing melee aff lock lol

[gusty mirage]

until you fan of knives into 5 mobs

and get 1cp

and want to cry

[tidal oak]

oh shiet

that hurts right here in my meow meow

so like how many ruptures should i maintain tho, 4 or 5 targets

like do that right after i CT all stuffs?

that's what im figuring out dont know if im right or not

[narrow ravine]

I open with 4 garrotes, CT then start ruptures using SBS for combo ramp

refreshing CT in pandemic

[tidal oak]

ok so im doing it right

nice

wait what is SBS

[narrow ravine]

don't mind me, im just a necro

[tidal oak]

oh

okay okay

[woeful meteor]

Serrated bone spike necro ability

[tidal oak]

was going for necro before but i found venthyr more fun

[narrow ravine]

SBS is fun...

[tidal oak]

i just love the venthyr covenant overall bro

[oak sky]

In my experience both are fun

[tidal oak]

couldnt play it in my lock for the sake of dps

[bronze fiber]

Sbs feels so good as sin

[woeful meteor]

Everything is fun since in the end it’s still rogue and not some wheelchair caster

[oak sky]

Rogue

[narrow ravine]

upgrade my phial to 246 or wait to see whats in my vault... hmm

[idle star]

Wait

[woeful meteor]

If you upgrade its in the vault, if you dont upgrade it wont be pretty simple

[oak sky]

What else are you spending valor on?

Prob not much

[safe barn]

does anyone have this ring 246

just wanna sim it but i can't modify it on my top gear

[balmy condor]

just add ilevel=246 to the line

[obsidian socket]

go to droptimizer and choose a socketed entwined from SD ? or do what whispyr said

[arctic walrus]

finger2=",id=178848,enchant_id=6164,gem_id=173127,bonus_id=7359/6652/7620/1560/6646/7576"

[balmy condor]

yeh 246 droptimizer would also work

[safe barn]

u guys are the best

trying to figure out how to use dashin with my shitty gear

[winged basin]

got mythic rem helm :))) finally using all the dps shards now :))

soulrender prog for hour 20

[obtuse robin]

hour 20

[shadow wedge]

hello boys, just coming back from a break to the game, is Doomblade a good choice to make it rank 6 as necrolord?

[idle star]

Just play BM. Requires 1/5 the effort

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

yep

[lavish lichen]

just now getting into assa and the first thing in FAQ is about pooling, trying to see if I understand correctly, I don't envenom unless Im 30 energy from max?

so just aa?

[idle star]

Pooling before shiv and on every other vendetta use? Idk

[dark token]

Fatescribe heroic helm >>>>

Big krit

[dark token]

I mean you can get 99 parses without pooling every envenom it's fairly minor minmax

Dw, about it too much, just try to save some energy for shiv and flagellation windows

[kind talon]

found an unreal player

on sylvanas

crazy stuff

[warm saffron]

"you're here to kill adds"

[tardy parrot]

why would it be crazy? CT isnt far behind on st either and on slyvanas you have plenty of adds.

[warm saffron]

yeah i don't feel last row is highly impactful tbh

[cursive silo]

u just suck

hope he beat u

[dark token]

Found a non scoundrel player

[balmy condor]

ep ma vig ct

[dark token]

Or actually it's just someone who cba changing talents after KT

[balmy condor]

seems pretty normal

[dark token]

Tbh

I almost did guardian with CT cause I had it from soulrender through painsmith lol

Last row is decent impact for dashing scoundrel since poison bomb gives energy

CT is like 2.5% dps loss for me

[full tendon]

If you do run CT on a ST fight, for whatever reason, should you strive for 100% uptime?

[dark token]

Nah

[full tendon]

Just whenever you need to run out, etc.?

[dark token]

Depends on what legendary you play with

[full tendon]

If raiding, likely doom or dashing, I guess

[dark token]

If doomblade, I'm assuming, you cast it before shiv for extra envenom dmg

On dashing it's not worth to cast pure single target unless you are gonna have boss downtime

[balmy condor]

doomblade you maintain it outside of shiv, dashing you don't cast single target

[dark token]

Personally after testing on denathrius p3 prog with doomvlade I found a lot lower ST dmg maintaining the dot at all times vs just before shiv, not sure if that condition has been tested in simc

[balmy condor]

it has been

[dark token]

Might depend on haste levels too

But yeah it's worth casting on St with doomblade/Zoldyck (in execute)

[tidal oak]

hard to net 20 cps during flag windows 😦

it's like when i finish my rotation i look at vendetta with only 49 sec left and wonder should i press flag or save for next vendetta lol

[cursive silo]

u save if you won't lose a cast

[kind talon]

he was a buyer

[dark token]

Use a time to kill weakara to help with the decision, if the boss will die before another use don't use

I also look at our last kills kill time to estimate when to hold my last casts

[winged basin]

we are not progging soul tonight cause our dk who was supposed to come in wasnt here

heroic clear and pray for sylv dagger in vault

[dark token]

This happened to us and we made our blood dk go necrolord lol

[balmy condor]

are you building to 4-5 before hitting flag

[winged basin]

our dk is looking to do that too @dark token

our bdk

[tidal oak]

i think so

[dark token]

We did prog fine with a necro blood dk as the only grip

And hunters pushing adds in

[cursive silo]

isn't blood with the legendary enough?

I thought it was either 2 necros or 1 blood with the leggo

[tidal oak]

probably, it's like a habit for me

[dark token]

Idk about their legendary

[cursive silo]

there's a grip legendary

bdks use it on that fight

you can infinitely grip for like 3 seconds

or something

[tidal oak]

so should i build 4 5 before hitting flag or just right after i press SnD?

[balmy condor]

you should always build

[tidal oak]

ok

but still even if i build i only manage about 15-17 cps, dont know what i do wrong

[soft shale]

assa will not get high stacks

you get some more with the conduit

so in reality you only finish with 15 cp or so

[plain thistle]

using lashing scars?

[tidal oak]

i do use lashing scars

[plain thistle]

thats low

[tidal oak]

well i only start playing rogue for 3 days 😦

[plain thistle]

your gear is probably not very good then, if you have a log of something maybe we can help a little more

[tidal oak]

probably as im only 222 now haha

[balmy condor]

should get 5 stacks from conduit, 15-17 cp

makes 22 stacks

seems reasonable

[left plaza]

yeah CRIT helps a lot for flag stacks

[plain thistle]

ohh sorry

yeah, he said CPS not stacks

[tidal oak]

that explains as i only have like 18% crit

well

[plain thistle]

20-22 stacks basically is what you are getting, you can get more with good gear (more crit)

but thats ok

[left plaza]

im playing with 40% Crit and i get 22/25 stacks all the time

[tidal oak]

yes probably ill get there with better gear

[balmy condor]

if you're gettin 20-25 stacks

[tidal oak]

because so far i ve been doing the rotation with what icy veins and wow head told me to do lol

[balmy condor]

you're not getting more

even with more gear

that's just how it is

[lavish lichen]

what do you use as your indicator to start pooling for Shiv?

like hwo much time left

on CD

[balmy condor]

depends on what else I need to do

[tidal oak]

didnt really notice

[balmy condor]

I think 3-4 seconds is fine usually

to start thinking about it

[tidal oak]

but i do fill garrote before pooling with shiv?

just melee mutilate til the energy feels right i think

listen to what my ancestors told lol

[balmy condor]

you can

but there's nothing wrong with garrote during shiv

[tidal oak]

and garrote for 5 cp rupture too

just learnt that a minute ago 😄

[balmy condor]

yeh

you can do that I guess

it's no different from a 4cp rupture into a garrote

so I guess would be a timing thing

[tidal oak]

that net me more 2 cps i guess

but still i think right now i need more gear

[balmy condor]

don't we all

:P

[tidal oak]

just realized my lashingscar still 184

rip

[balmy condor]

that's kinda fine

conduit ilvl isn't too important

[brisk drum]

are u telling me the many number of hours i spent in korthia to get lashing scars to 252 was a waste of time !?

😉

[gusty mirage]

Only if you don’t brag about it

[spice spire]

True

[gusty mirage]

Cuz 252 lashing twins

[spice spire]

Imagine not being a sudden fracture gamer

[gusty mirage]

Imagine being a boner in summer of 2021

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

About to get some serious stonks next week with my empowered lashing

[royal lantern]

Oh yeha 13dps more

[late gulch]

is torghast hard as assasin? doing my first run on this char. was thionking a 12 run. at 220 gear. is that gonna be hard?

[drifting cloud]

at 220 yes

[steel ridge]

it will be hell

[balmy condor]

undergeared torghast

[steel ridge]

with leeching poison and frost set bonus you can do some serious pulls in torghast 12

but holy shit do those mobs fuck you over

[hollow river]

Just try to join a group

And might not be so bad

[steel ridge]

thats the way, get your ass carried 🙂

[hollow river]

Yes 👍

If anyone will take u

[steel ridge]

torghast boosts confirmed

new business model

[fallen arch]

no it sucks balls as sin so find a group

[oak sky]

in a group you blast tho

with the right powers you can do a cool 80k+ on bosses

[fallen arch]

Ye the problem isn’t output

[oak sky]

oh yeah

its living

[fallen arch]

You just can’t take a hit

[oak sky]

but in a group the tank worries about that for you

[fallen arch]

So you have to pull super conservatively alone

Which makes it awfully slow

[oak sky]

very boring and unfun

in a group its not too bad though

i got AV easy this week

[undone eagle]

I play necro assa and I have a question regardind sbs

When you raid single target and there is no mobs spawnings for a while, is it worth to use sbs when avaible because it cost less energy and does more damage than mut?

I usually throw sbs when im starving energy for mut

Is it wrong done?

[slim wagon]

sbs in opener, and then you do 2x sbs casts during gemstone windows

[undone eagle]

Sorry , what do you mean with gemstone windows? 😅

Im unaware

[slim wagon]

Marrowed Gemstones is a trait from Heirmir soulbind

every minute you get a small buff of 18% crit for a few seconds and you should have 2 x sbs charges for that as they need 30 seconds to recharge

[undone eagle]

Ah I see, didnt think about it all, thanks

[slim wagon]

it's better written in #assassination-faq

[undone eagle]

Mb

[final hull]

Is there some planned changes in domination shards ?

[late gulch]

what souldbind is best as venthyr at renown 50 =)?

[balmy condor]

No

[balmy condor]

Whatever sims higher, probably nadjia i would think

[late gulch]

ok 🙂

[gray pond]

What is our best scaling conduit? Basicly should i put wps or lashing at first socket. I have 252 wps and 226 lashing

[balmy condor]

Lashing

Sims will automatically pick the best slots if they’re empowered btw

[gray pond]

Ty

[bronze heath]

Ive read the assa-faq, was questioning myself about shiv. I know we should use it on cd, but should we pool just a quick second for it? Also shouldnt we hold the previous vendetta one not to miss the window?

[oak sky]

there should be something in the faq about how we pool for envenom, which means usually when shiv comes up you should have some energy

and about vendetta idk if thats in there but you can hold shiv for 10ish seconds

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[oak sky]

i think the holding shiv thing might be in those

[solid mica]

does dashing increase crit chance of envenom?

[bronze heath]

RH:
"You aim to use Shiv on cool down as it is already a very short cool down. You want to avoid applying bleeds during Shiv and instead cast as many high combo point envenoms as possible. It is also fine to cast Shiv while you are already at maximum combo points. Lastly, you might want to hold on to some combo points and energy prior to Shiv cooling off to increase the amount of Mutilates and Envenoms you are able to cast."

Wowhead
"Use  Shiv on cooldown for the damage debuff. If you are close to a new  Vendetta window you can hold it for that though."

IV:
"Try to refresh  Rupture and  Slice and Dice before using  Shiv. The goal is to get three, 4-5 Combo Point  Envenoms inside the 9-second duration of  Shiv."
+
Pooling "before the cooldown on  Shiv recharges, to allow for immediate use and optimized burst"

So RH: max cp/pool, refresh bleeds before, not talking about vendetta

Wowhead: on cd, hold for vendetta, not talking about bleeds or pooling or cp

IV: pool, max to max-1 cp before, not talking about vendetta

RHdiscord: cast on cd regarless of evenom window, not talking about vendetta

Anyone knows precisely?

[fallen arch]

Follow discord rule

[proper sage]

[oak sky]

yes

[solid mica]

that's nice

[marble hemlock]

none of them are different from each other

use on cd, try to pool before, refresh bleeds outside of shiv (but dont let them drop)

its like

1. use on cd
2. pool before
3. try to not have to refresh bleeds during its duration

those arent mutually exclusive. you can do all 3, if you play things optimally. if you dont, then thats the "priority" list so to say

[bronze heath]

Sorry for the big text but often i was questioning my self, if should i hold 3sec shiv to refresh bleeds.
Im really trying to minmax.
Also for vendetta. Does it change anything if the shiv is up on the 8 last second of vendetta paired with flag instead of up on start of debuff.
Would make me use shiv if vendetta is up in 13sec or more, to get the 8sec at the end of the debuff. (25sec shiv cd-(20sec vendetta-8sec up time shiv) =13sec before vendetta is up)
Ofc never on pull, talking about when you get back vendetta n°X

[marble hemlock]

You dont hold Shiv, you use it on cooldown

Shiv has a 25sec cooldown. A 5 CP rupture lasts for 24seconds. So for example if you refresh Rupture once before Shiv, it will always line up in the same way again, that you can refresh it again before the next Shiv

Assa has a lot of these situations that when condensed into a prio-list seem like theres a lot of things to check off before you use Shiv, but when you actually play it, it often falls into place naturally

And ultimately its a very minor DPS difference whether you hold it once or keep using it on CD. Keep in mind its only 25sec CD, so if you have it 15sec before Vendetta, just use it, cause itll be back up again during Vendetta

Shiv is not a major DPS CD

Its a minor increase to abilities that ultimately make up ~25% of your damage.

I recommend just playing the rotation a bit, trying to remember the most important priorities like not letting bleeds drop, using Vendetta on CD as much as you can, and once you familiarized yourself with it a bit more a lot of the questions will already be answered

[bronze heath]

Im doing good parse but i wanna consistantly 95+

[marble hemlock]

It's one of the easiest rotations to play on single-target

Whats your gear?

[bronze heath]

248

[marble hemlock]

Cause that will matter much more than minmaxing shiv

r4 frost?

[bronze heath]

Y next week r5

[marble hemlock]

Then you shouldnt struggle at all with hitting those numbers, unless youre assigned to mechanics that will cost you a lot of DPS, or your uptimes are bad. But losing a Shiv or two isn't gonna be the difference between a 99 and a 93

Killtimers matter a lot as well

Ideally youd refresh Rupture before each Shiv (while still using it on CD), refresh Garrote after a 3 or 4 CP mutilate to still only need 2 GCDs per Envenom to build CP, and have enough energy to be able to get in 3 Envenoms into each Shiv

If you only get 2, thats fine, especially when playing Deeper

[bronze heath]

Thats basicly what i do, or at least what im trying to do i wanted confirmation

Thanks Seliathan

[analog pilot]

should I hold shiv for flag? or hold flag for next shiv? or just use on CD with pooling some energy and cp for both?

[oak sky]

nah

dont hold them for each other

[tacit wedge]

You only hold flag for vendetta

[shadow tusk]

You dont

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, we startet progress on sylv M yesterday. Is there a way to influence the way she leaps away while she spawns the chains? we had her at the outer edge sometimes, and ive never seen that before in kill videos and the RWF

[forest grotto]

You only hold flag for vendetta if you wont get another cast iirc

[woeful meteor]

You also sometimes hold vendetta for flag, if it gives another synced cast without missing one

[tacit wedge]

[thin trout]

BS + DS vs EP + Vig on Painsmith mythic? Not like i'm touching those shitty adds after the transition (besides one or two FoKs until painsmith is active - Using dashing + frost r4 atm

[leaden bough]

22 aug frost set lvl4 vent
4 aug anholy set lvl4 necr
i hate frost random

[bronze heath]

Track it

[drowsy parcel]

@hybrid cosmos she targets a random player and jumps backwards-ish

you can influence it a bit but not guarantee a spot since she does some random side hops too

most of the time you can get her to go between the arrow spawns since they are static

[exotic rose]

Do you guys know what is the range of Winds of Winter?

[burnt star]

U know ur aug 3 parse is worst then your aug 23 parse though

[karmic crystal]

It’s just other people did more damage this week

And your damage didn’t increase by the same amount

[burnt star]

There are 3000 more parse

The percentile will change

[hollow river]

Frost is way more predictable than unholy

Unholy procs are the random ones lol

But yeah that parse is less dps

Just ranked higher because less people at that time had done the fight at higher dps

[slim jay]

Does haste get more value for m+?

Ive gone heavy crit for raid and feel like my overall after dungeons is lower

[sterile chasm]

No

[slim jay]

Guess its operator error.

[limber lion]

Crit is the best stat for m+

Not that stats matter that much anyways

[subtle tundra]

but you will definetly feel the difference between 20% and 40% crit in m+

[alpine garden]

Got AotC last night, thanks to this channel for all the tips that made me top boss damage boi

[arctic hare]

Epic

[gusty mirage]

good stuff keep it up!

[verbal mantle]

glad I could help

[mental wasp]

Been reading the FAQ here and looking at Warcraft logs. Do sin rogues go venthyr or necrolord?

[iron orchid]

You can pretty much go for anything except night fae

most people who raid a lot prefer venthyr

And many of us still play necro because they like SBS or need it in dungeons

I even swapped to kyrian for my M+ teams, and it's pretty fun everywhere ngl

[topaz echo]

do any of you guys have a weakaura that tracks the amount of damage my frost set stores? i've only found the one which shows how much dmg the latest proc did

[mental wasp]

Icic ok thanks. So if I were to go venthyr, first leggo to make is obedience?

[gusty mirage]

yeah obe is a good jack of all trades legendary

it's solid enough for assa in m+ and raid, and bis for sub

[mental wasp]

Nice thanks. Besides Obe, next choice will be Doomblade?

[gusty mirage]

for raiding you'd want to make Dashing

[pure moth]

What do you guys do in phase 2 on sylvanas? Just garrote, rupture it all? while you mut/fok and envenom? i feel like things just melt, so i do almost nothing in this phase

[idle star]

Just burn Sylv at the 2 opportunities. Other classes will melt the packs

[pure moth]

ok

[idle star]

Apart from st the summoner adds

[dusk mason]

hey guys i have a question about EP talent. do you just ignore the talent and let go off as it goes ? or do you try to cast envenoms within the 4 sec time to get 10% damage increase

[thin gate]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[gusty mirage]

you just let it do its thing

[dusk mason]

so just ignore it ? ok thx

[old summit]

Heya all, can someone explain me why Winds of Winter is better than Chaos Bane for Assassination. I don't get it, shouldn't the agility provided be better?

[plain thistle]

frost does more damage

its probably a combination of lots of dots and attack speed

we crit a lot

[old summit]

@plain thistle Ok, thanks mate

[somber breach]

Anyone have an issue where the frost set doesn't kick in (start gaining stacks) until 20s into the fight?

[gusty mirage]

Yeah every poison and bleed crit counts toward the frost set

so it stacks up pretty quick

[somber breach]

I track it with a weak aura and you get that up to 30k+ during your opener. But sometimes it won't start stacking until later into the fight ~20s

[plain thistle]

its the same with heimir gemstone, we proc that shit really really fast, its not like that for every class

[somber breach]

Like it's on some separate static timer or something

[plush garnet]

Is it possible to sim frost set, without having the frost dom set piece? Like can you manually add it into raidbots to test it

[spice spire]

Gear compare

[plain thistle]

80k

[spice spire]

[somber breach]

That's if it crits though right.

[plain thistle]

top gear

you can select the gems there

[spice spire]

But he doesn’t have the piece jhon

[plain thistle]

probably gear compare, add the piece , copy the line and top gear

[spice spire]

You can also manually add it through the line yeah -

[plain thistle]

that way you have the gear piece and you can add the gems

[somber breach]

Bc the frost dmg proc can also crit which is what's making it pop off. But only if it starts stacking with your opener, and it was not doing that for me every time.

[spice spire]

Jhon knocked or out of the park as always

[plush garnet]

Yeah, I'll manually insert it thx

[old summit]

Would you guys say Desolate Frost is better than Forebonding Unholy? I made the mistake of ranking up all my unholy shards as soon as I got them

[topaz echo]

sim it

[plain thistle]

wait, gear compare doesnt add the button to copy? then you will need to open the HTML report open the "profile" tab and find the piece of gear you want

[hollow talon]

For me it was not, higher or same rank for frost was necessary to be more dps

[old summit]

Ended up being my case. About 200 dps lost for a lower rank

[plush garnet]

Anyone else having Main Mangle sim higher than WPS?

[gusty mirage]

are you necro?

[plush garnet]

Venth

[gusty mirage]

hm

playing doom?

afaik they were always pretty close

[plush garnet]

Yeah doomblade

[spice spire]

Then yeah makes sense

[gusty mirage]

more mutilate damage = bigger doomie dot

[last stirrup]

Not happy w my parses in sod.. I've always been necro. Is venth a substantial dps gain? I dig necro but like 90% of assas are venth in raids

[plush garnet]

You can throw nadjia in your sim and check it out,

warcraftlogs has about 28.6% of rogues using necro in mythic logs, vs 65% for Nadjia, so it has its place, but I think Nadjia is the min max choice

[zinc frost]

It’s about 200-250dps difference for me as necro if i swapped back to venth.

[hollow river]

Even with dashing/frost

?

[random fossil]

my greatest achievement with sin so far, vulpera racial ftw

[narrow ravine]

2k hps, you throwing down the gauntlet on us?!

[dusk void]

Anyone know off the top of their head the dps needed for H Guardian?

[spice spire]

It’s low low

[cunning locust]

depends on amount of hits raid take before luring big woman to circle, we took like 2 hits and ~8k was enough

[spice spire]

Like 6k iirc. Possibly even lower

[dusk void]

Big oof for my guild then 😂

Thanks y’all

[narrow ravine]

its much lower than that, only me and one other dps were over 8k dps and we killed it

folks between 5.3k and 6k

[shell cloud]

Hey! Any idea what happend to my WA why it doesnt show rest of the time for snd and shiv but it works for garrot and rapture?

[narrow ravine]

looks like its using the clock method

[shell cloud]

https://wago.io/HJe5_pfNm im using this one

[narrow ravine]

its a setting in wa to display the text vs show the cooldown as a darker area swinging around in a circle

[shell cloud]

it works for me previously but now idk

[narrow ravine]

you could re-import it from luxthos and see if it fixes it

unless you have been doing a lot of customization

[shell cloud]

i tried this

and it doesnt work

:/

i just simply delited this and imported again but still

look like shiv doesnt have text now lol

[cobalt pelican]

so.. click the button that says add text?

[narrow ravine]

find one that has text, and mimic those settings

%p

[cobalt pelican]

if you had countdowns before and didn't randomly it's probably because you either had the ingame cooldown text on or were using an addon like omnicc or something

[narrow ravine]

it should have a section called Text 1

just do what Nameless suggested, Add Text button at the bottom of Shiv but look at rupture to copy the font and sizes

see what rupture is using for those settings

[astral mirage]

hey guys - stupid question in which the answer is probably "get gud" . Your simmed dps, is there a rough "all things aligned, on an average fight you'll get with X dps of it" people have in their head?
I've run several sims (patchwork.cleave etc) but even on a training dummy im lucky to get within 1-1.5k of it. I've watched people, reviewed my logs (probably not correctly) & practiced my rotation - but at this point I'm at the conclusion that i just cannot rogue to save my life.

[spice spire]

Wait are you doing sim patchwerk or training dummy?

Because patchwerk implied all the buffs, while training dummy is raw dps, no buffs

[pseudo hamlet]

I think that it's almost impossible to reach the full potential that sims are showing.

[spice spire]

No you can lol

It’s just perfect play required

[slow marsh]

Just be ceverion fiveheads

[astral mirage]

I meant comparing the simmed dps against me smashing a training dummy. Tbf I hadn't considered the full buff side of it but would it really make up for that much gap?

That said if I compare my raid logged dps to the sim, it reflects a similar story so I guess I'm missing a decent sized trick somewhere

[spice spire]

No I meant when you sim

There’s a training dummy option

Sorry target dummy

[astral mirage]

Ah ok no I've not actually ever tried that one. Patchwork, cleave, light movement and the add ones are the ones I usually use to get a rough across the board idea.

[spice spire]

Yeah so by comparing random things vs target dummy dps you won’t see an equal but there’s actually a 1 to 1 comparison available

And you can use that to see if you’re right on rotation but just see flubbing in play

Also be sure to check off set bonus

Otherwise you’ll still be off 😛

[astral mirage]

Valid points, Solid school boy error on my part! Will give that look now.

[spice spire]

For example, target dummy:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9x9dTKwoCmer2PZ4ATo4uP

Raid:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aPoVHyRUCx5rSShxcwqnoX

And yeah, talents are off 😛

[astral mirage]

Christ....

That's massive difference rofl.

[spice spire]

That’s also set bonus off for dummy, on for raid.

So an additional 800 or so

You also have to think about buffs you have for accurate raid dps. Do you have a wind fury totem? If not, check it off

Etc.

[astral mirage]

That I at least remembered to take off each time as I don't have the damn thing yet still :(

[real bay]

tbh everyone sims with wf on but yeah remember to take it into account when looking at your dps

[spice spire]

Gz. If you have any more questions just ask away; no worries king

[astral mirage]

Thank you, will do!

[alpine latch]

Are you guys running CT for any bosses in SoD?

[astral mirage]

OK.. I'm spot on for training dummy dps. Which means I'm flubbing my rotation in raids. Lovely. Well not lovely but means I'm not AS crap as I thought I was rofl. Cheers again!

[gusty mirage]

soulrender

and not even for the add damage, mostly because the dude's running around like Usain Bolt the entire time

Will update list when I get out of painsmith hell

[slow marsh]

I tried CT on soulrender and felt it didn't make a difference, but we only progged for an hourish so

[spice spire]

Because he’s constantly moving, it’s hard to get the value out of PB

[pseudo hamlet]

That's the reason why I wrote "almost". Once in BFA I had like ~1-2k difference between real DPS and the sims. Felt awesome 😄

[gusty mirage]

it's a small difference for sure @slow marsh

[spice spire]

CT Is 100% the play for soul render

[spice spire]

Huge gamer

[gusty mirage]

it's just that boss randomly moving around is pepega af for PB

[spice spire]

I outdid my sims on my best remnant kill

But I SBS’d the balls

[gusty mirage]

smh unethical

I outdid my sims on remnant too

it was kinda poggies

[spice spire]

Huge

[gusty mirage]

still blue parsed

[spice spire]

Then I had to raid lead the last one

And got fucked

[gusty mirage]

just be Cev

ez

[zinc frost]

True gamers outdo their sims on Painsmith /s

[slow marsh]

Literally so ez

[spice spire]

Painsmith parsing

[gusty mirage]

we've had the answer in front of us for years

I definitely got a r1 parse on getting clipped by thinking I can cheat corners on painsmith

most ape-brained deaths for sure

[strange python]

Are we talking remnant?? Does that mean I get to complain again about how I 97ed but they pulled with vendetta and vanish 40 seconds from being up, and only got one pot off?

And now I'm on bench for a new guild until sylv dies and they're taking a break the week after so I need three weeks to fix it? :(

[gusty mirage]

yes

[halcyon zealot]

bench gamers

why these world 500-1000 guilds putting y’all on the bench n y’all staying?

[strange python]

I joined them mid sylv prog, no point for them to change roster at that point.

Any guild on mythic sylv right now is not a world 500-1000 guild lol

[pure moth]

Why join the guild then knowing you wouldn't get in?

[halcyon zealot]

cuz you’ll raid in farm

[strange python]

Cause going from 230 pulls on painsmith prog to a guild on sylv prog is worth it?

[pure moth]

Bench isn't worth it

[strange python]

And if I'm good I will earn my spot for next tier in a us top 50 guild?

Sounds short sighted.

Jumping from us 300 to us 50 is worth two weeks of bench time.

[cobalt pelican]

using us ranks is mega cronk

though i do not disagree with your decision : )

[strange python]

Fine, world 1k to world 140

Same point.

Also since the last guild had 250+ pulls on painsmith, chances are they were only going to get worse as the tier went on.

[whole pilot]

Wdym painsmith is the 2nd longest to prog

Easily

[strange python]

250 pulls is 100 more than the average.

Bad sign for the guilds ability to handle mechanics.

[karmic crystal]

Skipping progress to join a guild to farm is weak

[strange python]

And being far and away the best player in a bad guild and staying out of "loyalty" that they aren't reciprocating by refusing to bench+replace bad players is even weaker. :)

I also find farm more fun than prog.

All I gotta do is not fail trial and I'll be in a more fun environment for the raid tiers to come.

[cobalt pelican]

[manic haven]

Farm more fun than prog, this guys built diff

[rocky pecan]

You will get bench next tier cauz they never saw you in prog environnement

[strange python]

No lol. Rosters are always fluid for the first bosses and on heroic+PTR.

Unless you're top 5

[rocky pecan]

Heroic and ptr aren't progress

[strange python]

Heroic week absolutely informs roster decisions before mythic week.

[karmic crystal]

Every time I see someone describe themselves as the best player in their guild I am almost certain they are not the best player in their guild

[rocky pecan]

If you was a lead or gm did you take ppl you progress with them for 2 tier and you know there capacities or a new guy who just never do more than top 1k? And you know nothing about is comprehension of the fight /game/mechanic/learning

[dull cloak]

i see we have a guild ditcher

[strange python]

Within 5 hours of putting lfg on my wowprog I had four top 50 guilds reach out and all four offered trials. My last guild was basically world 1k and I was only there because I didn't rogue in 9.0 because class was dead.

[karmic crystal]

This guy is a navy seal

[strange python]

You take whoever is playing the best at the moment. You sound very uninformed and idealistic.

There's a reason that rosters change between tiers

You are implying every decent raid roster hasnt changed anyone between tiers unless others have quit. Which is laughable.

[rocky pecan]

Y ppl stop play

[karmic crystal]

With over 4 confirmed “top 50 guilds” asking him to apply

[rocky pecan]

BTW guild actually they almost all need ppl to apply due to ppl stop playing

[strange python]

So you're upset with me for jumping higher on the ladder and you also think I'm lying about jumping higher on the ladder. Yikes.

Pick one and stick with it

[rocky pecan]

I pick nothing is cool for you

[karmic crystal]

I’m not upset with you and I don’t care if you are lying or telling the truth

[rocky pecan]

Just don't think trial is done cauz you will raid on farm

Your trial will start next tier

[karmic crystal]

I wouldn’t put you in my guild based on your attitude

[dull cloak]

guilds that reach out to you is usually bad news imo

[karmic crystal]

And guilds are farming trialists at the moment due to player drop off before the next tier

[strange python]

You want players who think they are bad xD

The two of you are...interesting.

[fluid crystal]

He wants player that can admit they can improve

[karmic crystal]

So you probably just got picked up by an algorithm rather than someone salivating over your logs

[slow marsh]

I like buts

[rocky pecan]

They are bad? I never say that

[cobalt pelican]

american guilds really gotta be fiendin for any gamer they can find if 5 top 50 guilds contacted you in 5h

[fallen arch]

Me too

[rocky pecan]

I don't know you you can be good but actually you aren't that good

[cobalt pelican]

god bless strong european nation

🙏

[fallen arch]

Oh I meant butts

[rocky pecan]

Top 50 guild want player mentality

[karmic crystal]

I would rather a player who knew they were bad than one who was bad but thought they were good

[slow marsh]

Those too 😉

[strange python]

You have already said top guilds change rosters exclusively in the case of players quitting which is maybe the most laughably stupid thing I've read in weeks.

[strange python]

LOL WHAT

Heroic raiders?

[rocky pecan]

Exclusively I said that? Ok

[karmic crystal]

I think you have an attitude problem

[strange python]

"I want bad players who know they're bad"

[slow marsh]

Any u.s. guilds want me to apply? I parsed a 99 on terragrue I'm really good

[fallen arch]

Not what he said

[karmic crystal]

I said I would rather have bad players who know they’re bad than bad players who think they’re good

[strange python]

It's been effectively his arguments the whole time.

[fallen arch]

No

[strange python]

Dudes got big socially awkward weeb energy

[rocky pecan]

Player who know they have problem are on the good way to resolve that player who think they are to good will change nothing

[fallen arch]

I agree

Players who think they are better than they really are, super cringe

[slow marsh]

True

The cringest of them all

[hollow river]

But bro I’m the best ever

[strange python]

Thinking you're too good for a us 1k guild where players are 0% passing is different than thinking you can't improve. You're making assumptions because you have no clue what's going on.

[dull cloak]

time to link logs

[spice spire]

What is happening

[rocky pecan]

Idk

[strange python]

It's okay, the body pillow will hug you tight.

[hollow river]

Lmao

[fallen arch]

Nope dont go that road

[drowsy parcel]

[fallen arch]

Or I’m getting koffing

[karmic crystal]

You’re making just as many assumptions and refusing to properly read peoples criticisms

[strange python]

No.

[rocky pecan]

True

[dull cloak]

wym, the only way to settle arguments on WoW is link 🪵

[rocky pecan]

You take our message like we attack you personnalu

Isn't the case

[fallen arch]

It’s the only way to get muted

[karmic crystal]

There is a discord full of people telling you you have an attitude problem and you have yet to acknowledge that maybe they are right

[hollow river]

Oof I know some people who need to be muted then

[strange python]

Nah. There's two being socially awkward as fuck.

[karmic crystal]

Okay pussy slayer

[rocky pecan]

He is prolly just mega happy to climb in world rank he can be happy its fine tho

[fallen arch]

Also, that you can parse doesn’t mean you can make a proper argument in a discussion

[karmic crystal]

Gonna be hard to go to all those parties when you’re benched in your US top 50 guild

[rocky pecan]

You can parses and don't play mechanic in progress

Or you can play mechanic don't parses but your guild kill the boss o0

[limber lion]

Might want to get the CF's first before disturbing the blades.

[fallen arch]

Or that

😄

[karmic crystal]

Tell me, mister uwutangclan, at parties do you mention your guild rank?

[fallen arch]

Usually I only see Koffing swoop in to shut people the fuck up

[karmic crystal]

I want to know how to be less socially awkward

I would like some tips

[strange python]

It's funny how hard you're trying to be offended. Would bet money aotc raider.

[limber lion]

So I can't be bothered to read everything you've said thus far

Any loremasters in the chat?

[karmic crystal]

Yes I’m very offended

[potent dagger]

@limber lion i've got a litle question , you advise me to go subterfuge and Zoldyck on MM+ , although i sim way higer on DS with Obe and MA Oo

[fallen arch]

Ofc

[strange python]

Two "never leave your guild they are your loyalty stay there only, how dare you betray" raiders

[karmic crystal]

I’ve never even killed a heroic boss in my life I just do LFR

[limber lion]

You can't really sim accurately for m+ honestly. Just go subt with zoldyck everytime.

[rocky pecan]

Just rember uwutangclan this is a game

Not your life

[strange python]

Subt zoldycks? Not finality??? When did this change?

[limber lion]

So? Tl;Dr of the argument?

[rocky pecan]

If you prefer play with you loyalti friend just do it

[potent dagger]

Ok , thanks ^^

[limber lion]

[dull cloak]

oof

[rocky pecan]

Kek

[verbal mantle]

stay strong Cev

[rocky pecan]

Top 50 us

Xd

[dull cloak]

not gonna lie that was cringggge

[strange python]

Idk shit about keys, I half afk four 15s a week as sin. Let's are bad content.

[limber lion]

[strange python]

Keys*

[karmic crystal]

Guy says he’s skipping his pain smith progress guild cause they benched him, he applied to a much higher progressed guild to sit on the bench until farm.

[rocky pecan]

I don't see problème about that pzrsonnaly

[strange python]

So you didn't even read properly??? I was never painsmith benched lol

[fallen arch]

No clue, someone has an attitude problem but he seems to be in denial

[whole pilot]

Tbf I don't think he was benched in original guild

[strange python]

You should figure out reading before talking.

[rocky pecan]

I'm juste saying don't think you will make your trial on farming

[limber lion]

What's wrong with jumping guilds?

If you want to aim higher, all the power to ya.

[strange python]

They think you have to stay put forever and guilds never change rosters and if you leave you are a flawed human who should be put down.

[karmic crystal]

Nothing really I made an off hand comment about skipping progress being weak

[strange python]

^

[limber lion]

I jumped from wr800 to wr28 to wr8 to wr5

[slow marsh]

Except you were benched for painsmith o.O

[limber lion]

it's chill

[rocky pecan]

Did we say that?

[strange python]

No.

[limber lion]

it's to be expected if you want to tryhard the game

[strange python]

I was benched on one night of painsmith after I apped out and the guild found out.

[hollow river]

@strange python

[limber lion]

So just joking around then which turned into a full blown argument then?

[karmic crystal]

Pretty much

[strange python]

They doubled down on "never leave your guild you must be loyal you're a bad human"

[spice spire]

El Classico

[rocky pecan]

Wtf

Did we say that?

[dull cloak]

the right thing to do is leave after painsmith dies or thr guild dies, but thats just my opinion 😋

[rocky pecan]

Amazing

[karmic crystal]

Well, it’s one guy shouting about how we’re all socially awkward weebs

[strange python]

Just two of you.

[karmic crystal]

Not really a full blown argument

[gusty mirage]

I feel personally attacked by this statement

[limber lion]

Well, whether or not someone is fully commited to a guild or not

Fact is that it's very, very normal for someone to jump guilds

even during progression

[rocky pecan]

8 never say you was bad human for doing this

[strange python]

you literally just brought up a week old argument, you have grey parses in raid as outlaw, it was bullshit you telling us you "could play outlaw"

stop pinging me

[limber lion]

A lot of people prefer pushing the entire tier before jumping guilds, but it's very normal to do so even during prog.

[strange python]

Lol

[slow marsh]

Like I could care less about guild swapping but the cap has to stop

[rocky pecan]

I juste say don't think you ez trial on farm time and not in progress time

[stuck knoll]

this seems like one of those really in depth conversations taht we could use threads for

[strange python]

Yep. Was the excuse they gave pre raid. After they copped they saw me apping out.

[rocky pecan]

Kek iceblades