#assassination

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velvet nacelle
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i think if we cut like 4 people and replaced them with even just decent mythic level raiders we'd probably be at least 5/10 right now

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r4, i invested too heavily in unholy before the buff to frost

arctic hare
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I have rank 3 unholy atm

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one piece left to rank 4

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but honestly, i've gotta start working on the frost part

slow marsh
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i'm like 20 embers away from full r5

arctic hare
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That must feel terrible

wintry mica
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its pretty quick to get up to r3

velvet nacelle
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eh this late in the week, 20 embers away isn't too bad

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i mean you could get 20 in lfr right on reset on tuesday

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and tuesday lfrs are usually ezpz

slow marsh
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yeah i should have it next week

velvet nacelle
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weekend lfrs are... a mixed bag but mostly a shitshow

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tuesday it's a bunch of try hard raiders trying to get their embers right now, it's nice

arctic hare
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Welp, I suppose I should do a 16

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But that should prooooobably be done tmr

velvet nacelle
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i've only done one 15 this week

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kinda getting discouraged from my vault and the drops

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i've literally only pulled one 252 all season out of the vault

wintry mica
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ive got 2 so far

arctic hare
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I'm just nervous about doing a 16 at 230 ilvl

velvet nacelle
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eh you'll be fine

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just don't get cleaved

arctic hare
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The highest key I've ever done was a Freehold 16

velvet nacelle
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15+ really isn't that bad

arctic hare
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So uh, yeah...

velvet nacelle
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and, tbh, 15+ is where assassination really starts to shine

wintry mica
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its barely noticeable difference from a 15

arctic hare
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Really?

velvet nacelle
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go do like a 5 and you'll barely hit 6k dps, stuff just dosn't live long enough for our ramp

wintry mica
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longer the trash is alive the better we do

arctic hare
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I think the highest dps I could hit was somethin around uhhhhh

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8k?

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Closer to 9

wintry mica
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even on big pulls?

velvet nacelle
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go to your cov hall and go to the swarm dummies and practice your big pull rotation

arctic hare
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We didn't really pull all that big

velvet nacelle
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you'll see you start low but after a solid 30s it'll climb and never really look back

fathom flax
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Measuring DPS in m+ is a bit off

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There’s so many more variables than a raid boss

wintry mica
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yea

arctic hare
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Good point

velvet nacelle
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@fathom flax oh yeah there's not a consistent metric

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but general patterns still emerge

arctic hare
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So garrote as many as possible

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for me rn its 3

velvet nacelle
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ie. the longer trash stays alive the better we do

arctic hare
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Then rupture as many as possible

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after that crimson tempest

obtuse robin
arctic hare
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and spam envenoms at 4-5 envenoms

obtuse robin
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so this is you with 100 more dps form items in ur bag

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notice how theo is only 37 dps down

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this is you with certain buffs

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theo is now the same

velvet nacelle
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oh weird, when i simm'd iqd it was higher than... the kt trinket

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whatever it's called

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er.. it was lower

obtuse robin
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iqd gains value as frost gains

velvet nacelle
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yeah that neck is good but i've been stacking crit for winds

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i guess i haven't compared it since i swapped to frost

idle star
obtuse robin
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if ur healers suck run theo

arctic hare
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8.6k dps

velvet nacelle
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i miss old necrotic wake

obtuse robin
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also ur lashing is rlly low

velvet nacelle
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before they scaled down the weapons and made them not be affected by MA

arctic hare
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I hit up to 8.6k

velvet nacelle
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do you know how many world bosses i had to farm to get lashing even that high? 😛

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where do higher lashings drop?

arctic hare
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hahaha, I actually did more with Sub

idle star
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Assub i burst over 20k lol

oak sky
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you want to do ct before rupture probably

arctic hare
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oh?

oak sky
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at 3t+

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just bc it hits more targets i thin

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think

velvet nacelle
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@idle star secret technique?

arctic hare
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So garrote as many people as possible

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Then use Crimson Tempest?

oak sky
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yeah

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unless snd is down

arctic hare
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Right

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so garrote as many people as possible, snd, get to 5, crimson tempest

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then start spreading around ruptures?

oak sky
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yeah

velvet nacelle
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oh man am i gonna have to do a denathrius to upgrade my lashing scars?

oak sky
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nah

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just get the item from korthia

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the conduit upgrade item

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soultwining crescent

velvet nacelle
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oh good deal i forgot about that

idle star
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Yrh ive had like 15 of those conduit upgrade items in korthia and they hit everything but lashing

wintry mica
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I got everything but lashing up above 226 and it’s still 213

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Haven’t had a crescent drop in like a week

obtuse robin
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either u guys dont play much or have the worst luck ever

wintry mica
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I’m about to use a 252 one on it

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I don’t grind korthia

velvet nacelle
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i've used a bunch but i had a lot of low conduits

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it's actually the lowest now

arctic hare
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okay

velvet nacelle
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@obtuse robin i got bored of korthia p fast

arctic hare
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like, 9k

obtuse robin
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are u in a ce guild

arctic hare
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me?

velvet nacelle
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CE is a "nice to have" goal for my guild

idle star
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Im still only half way through rank 4 korthia

arctic hare
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it is

obtuse robin
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where they ce in cn

velvet nacelle
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oh god no, we got started hella late in nath

arctic hare
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but my ultimate goal is KSM as well as AOTC

velvet nacelle
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we didn't have 20 for ages

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we got to council like a month before 9.1

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but most people were pretty burnt on the raid by then

obtuse robin
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i c

velvet nacelle
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we also didn't start til well after hall of fame either

hollow river
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Made it farther than the guild I was in CN

obtuse robin
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its all starting to make sense now

velvet nacelle
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i think if we started on week 1 we might have had a chance

hollow river
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I was in a guild that only got 4/10M in CN

velvet nacelle
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@obtuse robin haha... wait...

hollow river
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Now I’m in a guild that got 9/10

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Trialing tho

obtuse robin
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just saying ur in a casual guild nothing wrong with that

velvet nacelle
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yeah i know, i was just joking

hollow river
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A lot of people are quitting for FF

velvet nacelle
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i miss raiding/playing harder but it's also been nice not having the obligation

hollow river
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:/

velvet nacelle
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and when you think of it as an "obligation" that's not a great sign

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i'm not switching to a new MMO, plus FF feels like playing in molasses

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2.5s gcd

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i gets better at max level i hear but...

hollow river
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You have to weave in off GCD spells

velvet nacelle
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that sounds like work to get that far

slow marsh
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I'm assuming you never made it past 50

hollow river
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Yeah sounds like it takes forever

velvet nacelle
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@slow marsh i did not

slow marsh
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Tbh ARR is so long

velvet nacelle
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it just felt like more of a chore to level up in that game

hollow river
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In wow you just boost and learn ur character otw to 60

slow marsh
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But once you get to actually play your job it's fun

velvet nacelle
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i'm sure, i have plenty of friends that play it

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but i'm not leaving wow for it, i like wow still

slow marsh
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Leveling is easy, the fact you have to do the whole story line is what is annoying

hollow river
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But in FF besides boosting u have to do all the MSQ of every expansion don’t you?

slow marsh
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Yeah

velvet nacelle
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i don't want my games to feel like "work" which is why i'm not in a more aggressive mythic guild anymore

slow marsh
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I think you can buy msq boost

velvet nacelle
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and FF definitely felt more like work than fun

slow marsh
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I just stopped playing after my free month sub cuz I am actually trying in wow rn

velvet nacelle
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the last few FF's felt that way though, even the single player

slow marsh
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If I was a whatever casual I'd just play ff

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It's a much better casual game

velvet nacelle
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30 hour tutorials or reviews that start off with "once you hit the 40 hour mark the game really takes off"

fathom flax
arctic hare
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Lol

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I was hoping to make a full group that can help me and each other with KSM

slow marsh
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Are you horde or ally

arctic hare
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Ally

fathom flax
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My guild and I are 4/10 so my gear isn’t trash tho

arctic hare
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Why?

hollow river
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I have like no haste

deft obsidian
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Because mechagnome? 😂

hollow river
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It’s becoming a problem kekw

arctic hare
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no, I don't play a mechagnome lol

slow marsh
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DM me your ign and I'll try and help you out next week

arctic hare
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For what reason?

deft obsidian
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How much we talking @hollow river

fathom flax
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Mechagnome shit tier race

hollow river
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5% on my sub gear and like ~10% on sin

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Something like that

deft obsidian
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Must got some spicy crit?

hollow river
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My sub/outlaw gear is heavy crit/vers

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Oh yeah

arctic hare
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I'm only ilvl 130 and not all that far into M+

hollow river
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41%

slow marsh
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No reason

hollow river
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Crit

slow marsh
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Just seen you in here a lot so may as well do a couple for you

arctic hare
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230 LOL, not 130

deft obsidian
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130, was like wtf 😂

arctic hare
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Yeah hahaha

fathom flax
hollow river
fathom flax
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HEY MUM GET THE CAMERA

arctic hare
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Doin 15's at ilvl 130

hollow river
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Oof

fathom flax
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MUM I HIT 10K

arctic hare
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Now that would be legendary

slow marsh
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I just carried a 230 guildie last night nbd

hollow river
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246 get outta here

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230 in 15-16s is easy

arctic hare
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Really?

deft obsidian
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Yeh yeh

slow marsh
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Not like 15s are hard.

hollow river
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Nope

slow marsh
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Esp as sin

hollow river
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Super easy this season

arctic hare
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I used to main DH back in BFA and they were pretty difficult

hollow river
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I play sub mostly in dungeons

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Been getting back into outlaw too

slow marsh
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Just pop flag vend on CD and make sure you have it at some point during boss and tormentors

hollow river
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My law gear is 240. Sub/sin 238

slow marsh
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The hardest part is getting into groups tbh

deft obsidian
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Depends on the instance but mostly sub yeh, I just prefer sin in the likes of SoA etc

slow marsh
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The keys themselves are cake walk

arctic hare
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Hmm, okay

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Unless you get a crap tank

fathom flax
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I’m a real low effort gamer, all I do is change PB to CT for m+ and yolo the rest

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15-17 you’ll be fine

deft obsidian
arctic hare
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Lol

slow marsh
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Everyone in here is horde so nice to actually play with an ally regular tbh. Sounds fun

arctic hare
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The tank I had in the 15 earlier did great

fathom flax
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Sin is stronger for m+ than people give it credit for, great cleave and wicked ST without changing specs/talents

fathom flax
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90% of OCE is ally

slow marsh
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Yeah tru

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I always get them in the mornings

fathom flax
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That’s an inaccurate statistic but

slow marsh
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It's not bad

deft obsidian
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Was always wondering what that correlation was 😂

hollow river
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I’ve seen a lot of OCE looking for keys in LFG lately

slow marsh
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No it's accurate

hollow river
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On horde

slow marsh
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It's literally all frostmorne until like 2pm mst

fathom flax
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I get the war mode bonus and still outnumber them

arctic hare
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hahaha, wait, most people here are horde?

slow marsh
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Yes ofc

hollow river
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Yes

fathom flax
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Most people who play wow are horde

hollow river
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Yep

deft obsidian
slow marsh
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Horde is the better faction

arctic hare
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For what reason?

fathom flax
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Retail Oceanic is the only place in any version of the game alliance outnumber horde

slow marsh
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But certain servers are not bad for ally

hollow river
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To see more than one ally talking in here is actually crazy

slow marsh
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Cuz of pop

arctic hare
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hahaha

slow marsh
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More people on horde means easier time getting groups for stuff

arctic hare
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I've never mained horde, ever

deft obsidian
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Not gonna lie, I feel dirty talking to alliance…jks 😂

fathom flax
slow marsh
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I played horde for like 2 weeks then xferred back

oak sky
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all the good players went horde because of racials and stuff then everyone just kept going there

slow marsh
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Well

oak sky
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its a cascade

slow marsh
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It used to be racials

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100%

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Op af

fathom flax
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If your LFG is full of people you’ll have a better time

slow marsh
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Then they just stayed

oak sky
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once it was racials more and more people swapped

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because it was a stacked faction

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and everyone wants to be where theres more people

fathom flax
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Alliance radials we’re the broken ones

oak sky
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domino

fathom flax
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Once upon a time

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Duck my autocorrect

slow marsh
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Yeah ally racials are op now but everyone is on horde so why swap

manic pebble
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I like night elves racials

arctic hare
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I'm a weirdo Void Elf

deft obsidian
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Been horde 17 years, no turncoats here gang

slow marsh
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NE is bis. I say as a void elf

oak sky
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void elf is pretty good

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for damag

fathom flax
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“OP” is a bit much, racials are a small small increase, fashion and friends is the main reasons

slow marsh
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NE is actually like 200 dps increase for most races if you are frost set

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200 dps isn't small

arctic hare
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Really? thats kinda surprising

hollow river
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They can meld

slow marsh
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From human to ne is 200

hollow river
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Dwarf is actually good too

arctic hare
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I know they can, but jeez

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Before Void Elves existed

fathom flax
slow marsh
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Dwarf is crazy too yeah cuz crit dmg increase

arctic hare
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I mained NE for yearsssssss

slow marsh
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Voild elf is solid all around so no reason to swap imo

arctic hare
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My literal first character at the age of 6 was A night elf rogue named blue

manic pebble
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I like alliance but I’m lowkey wanna play vulpera lol

fathom flax
slow marsh
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My first toon was human rogue named Stranger that my dad gave me

hollow river
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You’re my boy blue

deft obsidian
slow marsh
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Then made ne named iceblades

arctic hare
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Lol, nice

hollow river
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Stranger danger

manic pebble
arctic hare
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honestly, I genuinely never thought I'd end up back on rogue, ever

slow marsh
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True furries play worgen imo

deft obsidian
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First character ever was a human paladin…lasted until 10 and swapped to an orc rogue, never looked back

arctic hare
fathom flax
arctic hare
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Hmm

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I wonder, what exactly did I go to after a rogue

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I think, maybe a druid?

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YEAH, a druid

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Cause I played him all throughout cata then into mists, which I stopped playing

slow marsh
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I keep wanting to gear other stuff like DH, dk or sham but just no reason to right now

arctic hare
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after which I ended up heading towards draenor, which I mained Druid then

slow marsh
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Rogue is in such a great place

fathom flax
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How do I sim myself as NE instead of Human

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I wanna test this 200

arctic hare
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after that, legion, I touched Hunter, survival hunter

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Then I quit that and mained DH for a while, then I made a new one on Proudmoore and continued that way

slow marsh
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Lemme see if I can find. Someone had posted it in outlaw a few days ago but I'm sure it's a simple line swap

fathom flax
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I’m on my phone so that’s gonna be a pain

arctic hare
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All the way through the rest of Legion as WELL as BFA, which is the character that is my DH alt now, who I got 2k IO and KSM in the last patch of BFA

manic pebble
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Is it fun playing other classes? I’ve only played wow for almost a year and still have one toon

arctic hare
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Hmm

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I would say that it provides a way to relieve yourself of constant stress of playing one class all the time

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I do it because I REALLLLLY don't wanna get burnt out again on a spec, like I did with Feral

manic pebble
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I see

arctic hare
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Also the reason why I started screwin around in sub a bit more too

fathom flax
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Shadowlands is shit for Alta

manic pebble
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For me grinding on 1 character is suffering enough, imagine having more than one toon

arctic hare
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I personally have found a way to have an alt

slow marsh
sly shadow
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hi guys tonight its first time i'm going to raid as an assa rogue what lego do i need,

slow marsh
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Go to the advanced sim section and you'll see

manic pebble
arctic hare
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Whenever you get into the game far enough, to where the raids that you're in just aren't good enough gear for you anymore, you can start playing an alt and still experience the feeling of gettin GOOOOOD

sly shadow
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thx i'm necrolord so

manic pebble
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Or dashing if you’re using a frost set

sly shadow
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i have all the sets ready to use

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dont know what is the best tho

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or what is the best build

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i'm completley new

manic pebble
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Frost is a beast right now

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But you need high crit

sly shadow
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ait and what talents etc do you take then?

manic pebble
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40%+

fathom flax
prisma monolithBOT
manic pebble
sly shadow
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i only have 29crit atm

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in assa

arctic hare
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What Ilvl?

sly shadow
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240

arctic hare
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Oh wow

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Welp,

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you're higher ilvl than me lol

sly shadow
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well i'm outlaw main

manic pebble
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Just sim and see which set is better for you atm

arctic hare
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Ohhhhhh, okay, that makes sense lol

manic pebble
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But I guess it’s unholy set for you

sly shadow
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oke thanx

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so i make doomblade then?

fathom flax
sly shadow
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oke thx

manic pebble
fallen arch
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What covenant?

sly shadow
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necrolord

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can farm today

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but both daggers are haste vers

fallen arch
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Then the rank of the frost set is more important than crit percentage in my experience

sly shadow
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frost set is rank 4

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i guess

fallen arch
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So doomblade or dashing are pretty equal but dashing pulls ahead in the long run

arctic hare
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mkay, Imma head to bed now, night peeps

fathom flax
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Simmed

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9 dps loss at night 2 dps loss at day haha

hollow river
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any mods around

slow marsh
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Well there goes that idea

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Im gonna try and find that sim someone posted of them gaining 200 dps swapping

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Looks like it was more like 130 but I did find it

fathom flax
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I’m at 43?44? Crit so the human 2% overall might be better

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I guess lower ilvls a flat 2% increase is better but human ramps more and ice evidently just hit that point haha

slow marsh
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That's not me that's someone else

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I'm simming myself rn

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You know I used to be a gnome rogue when I first came back but even then I cannot stand the idea of being a mechagnomw

fathom flax
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Necro mecha rogue

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3 cheat deaths

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Kinda

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With frost set

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And theotar healing

idle star
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Its basically 1 gem slot for your highest stat

fathom flax
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Yeah dude I’ve got 1166

slow marsh
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Yeah I think NE just sims higher for outlaw in general cuz restealth + cto

fallen arch
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NE is good for restealths with any spec

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But I don’t think sims use it that way

slow marsh
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Yeah but it's over 100 dps gain as outlaw

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And DPS loss for sin

fallen arch
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To restealth with meld?

slow marsh
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I'm assuming so

fallen arch
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On raid encounters it doesn’t work

slow marsh
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I don't see how else it can be that big of a gain for outlaw specifically

fallen arch
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On dungeons it’s massive cos of extra subterfuge

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Or extra Ma in your case I guess

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If u still run that weird Master Assassin voodoo

slow marsh
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I run outlaw in keys as of this week xD

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I had to choose between 262 celerity or 262 MA and I figured it's a good time to learn outlaw so full sent it

hollow river
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i'm trying to choose between crafting 262 dashing from scratch or 262 celerity from scratch rn

potent dagger
fallen arch
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I never get myself out of combat with shadowmeld for a raid encounter

slow marsh
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Yeah just double checked and it's melding into ambush in sims which is why it's 100 dps gain for outlaw

potent dagger
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You don't get out of combat , but you can use a stealthed ability

slow marsh
fallen arch
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Ah ok, that sounds about right

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Which is super weird btw but ok

potent dagger
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and it don't proc MA for assasination that's why it's not as OP as for the other two spec

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Free Ambush for outlaw , free shadowstrike for sub thus lead to free 15sec FW

slow marsh
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And sin gets

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Nothing 😂

potent dagger
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Yeah XD

slow marsh
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NS proc I guess

potent dagger
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i've haven't tried for NS , but MA don't proc

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and subt neither

slow marsh
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Even if it did work for ns which I doubt, it's not big gain anyways

hollow river
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but def wanna do outlaw keyz

potent dagger
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For assa you can still do an ambush , but since we get no benefit from it exepti the skill itself ... it's not gamebreaking

hollow river
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think i'm just gonna make cele at 235 or something

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but only have Ash for 1 235

slow marsh
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I mean the difference between a 235 dashing and 262 dashing isn't necessarily huge. Def not as much as 235 celerity vs 262. But I would craft whichever you're gonna play in raid esp if you're progging

potent dagger
hollow river
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how much ash do u get from farm runs

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because me and torghast do not vibe

potent dagger
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180ish

slow marsh
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Like 190 or something idk

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Yeah

hollow river
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yeah thats not happening loooooool

slow marsh
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I was doing speed runs with a friend to help him grind renown so I'm stacked

potent dagger
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go to floor 9 , stealth to bosses , reance and repeat

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5 minutes a run

slow marsh
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Ye less than that probs

hollow river
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can u kill bosses without powers

slow marsh
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Friend plays pally tank and speed ran in 3:20 average

hollow river
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well i guess with set bonuses must be easy enough

potent dagger
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Yeah it's not taht hard

slow marsh
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Just ignore all powers other than the ones on the path out and pick up speed powers. You should be able to solo the elites with ease with blessings + one or two dps powers

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It's not bad actually for alts if you need to grind tower knowledge + renown + ash

fallen arch
slow marsh
fallen arch
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Yea I was void elf before too, but I really like NE so far

slow marsh
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Dwarf is like 40 dps upgrade for me cuz crit dam and mechagnome is 60 but forget that

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I'm not opposed to race swap if it's a decent amount, but yeah

hollow river
pale plank
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How do u guys deal with malevolence on Mythic remnant when u guys are the one standing on the edge with the debuff?

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My raid team is doing the double MD and the guy standing outside is gonna get pushed off the map

hollow dirge
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Shadowstep to boss, personally. They rarely put me on edge though, have many people with better options

brazen zodiac
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goblins are based just rocket jump 4head

pale plank
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Just trying to adapt to the raid group, the boss is tank kinda far in the middle, and I was told to stand alll the way in the edge

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I only got to try it twice, Bcz I didn’t get it the other time

hollow dirge
#

Boss shouldn’t be tanked in the middle before dispells

pale plank
#

Tried shadowsteping a teammate with no luck Bcz of the speed we are flying away from each other

hollow dirge
#

Yeah, it’s a very brief moment

pale plank
#

Only got to try it twice, I am gonna see if I can hop into a normal or LFR and stand on the edge with the debuff guy to get some practice to see if it works

brave socket
#

Get the massdespell wa and use shadowstep at Zero. Works always flawless for me. So step and massdespell at the same Time

pale plank
#

Do u have the link to the MD wa?

brave socket
pale plank
#

Thank you

restive elm
#

I use cloak, makes you immune to all knockback and doesn't dispel your debuff

pale plank
#

It doesn’t?

#

I am gonna have to test it, bcz it feels like it does

#

The dispell part

tulip nacelle
#

it should dispell

pale plank
#

Queuing up in a LFR right now to see, hopefully he puts the debuff on me

#

I will let u guys know

arctic walrus
#

It definitely dispels you but you’re just immune to knock back as well

#

I’m not sure if it’s only yours personally so for a mass dispel strat it might still send you

tulip nacelle
#

it should immune both in the first 0.5 seconds of cloak

rotund drift
#

is there a reason everyone is playing dashing scoundrel for keys now?

tulip nacelle
#

but you have to time it with the md

arctic walrus
#

Who’s everyone

rotund drift
#

almost everyone on the leaderboards

arctic walrus
#

What leaderboard

rotund drift
#

m+ leaderboard

#

or is this more of a tyrannical thing? new to assa in keys xD

arctic walrus
#

Well

#

Nothing in m+ meta

#

Should have changed with the introduction of domination sets

#

Dashing is only good, because of a domination set

rotund drift
#

but the sets don work in keys xd

#

ah ok, gotcha

pale plank
#

Zoldyck is ur go to M+

rotund drift
rotund drift
pale plank
#

technically yes, but me myself i just use the current stats that my gear have, since i am just doing 15 for vaults

pallid valley
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
cosmic sandal
#

hey lads quick question, in m+ - if lets say tank pulls 8 mobs. should i be rupturing all? on how many targets is rupture not worth

sinful cradle
#

Theres no cap for ruptures

#

Just get them out there on targets that live long enough

limber lion
#

You likely won't get to apply all 8 ruptures though, because the older ones will start to run out

#

But yeah, no cap.

cosmic sandal
#

cool, cheers

clear shadow
#

hey guys i have a question about dashing scoundrel

#

so when u fan of knvies and put bleeds on multiple targets then envenom does it give you 15% crit chance on your poisons for current target or in general?

limber lion
#

In general to all the poisons around you.

marble hemlock
#

been thinking about DS+IB monkaHmm

#

in smth like dos

balmy condor
#

Internal bleeding

marble hemlock
#

kidney targets below 30%

#

for some extra dam

#

DPE of kidney with IB is much higher than rupture

viscid spear
#

That's where the blood's supposed to be

marble hemlock
balmy condor
#

I mean I guess if you wanna pad

#

But iron wire

marble hemlock
#

pad monkaHmm

#

i do kidney a fair amount to disrupt atm

#

thats why i was thinking IB

fallen arch
#

How big a deal would it be to lose Iron Wire there

kind talon
#

Not super huge in dos

#

But iron wire is still rlly nice utility

#

When you consider the essential oil pull and the Hakkar wing but otherwise it’s not that important

bronze fiber
#

Idk I have issues killing my add in high tyran keys in dos

#

Next time I'm just saving my cds for it

limber lion
#

Hmm

#

You should definitely save cds for it anyways

bronze fiber
#

Always used it for the boss but this is the first time I'm pushing high keys

#

You live and you learn

carmine latch
#

is Winds of winter with scoundrel for raid ST still da shiet?

#

better be, just uppgraded 3 frost shards to tier4 :p

limber lion
#

Yes sir.

red bloom
#

Ask after the fact, this the real play I like it

last summit
#

Is there a way to sim phantom oil and phantom fire potion vs sharp stone and spectral agi? Or is it quite close?

fallen arch
#

!oil

prisma monolithBOT
#

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

last summit
#

With Frost shards*

limber lion
#

They are very close.

#

Doesn't really matter which you use, as long as you use something.

wide ridge
#

not sure if it's been discussed already but next reset when we get nadjia's first upgraded potency conduit, which one should we put on it?

plain thistle
edgy ginkgo
#

hey, faq says i should aim for crit/mastery for m+, my dungeonslice stat weights are saying that i should go with haste/mastery. should i believe stat weights with a dslice assa sim?

#

or should i sim patchwerk 4 targets or something?

fallen arch
#

Don’t use stat weights

#

Every time you sim stat weights a pup will die somewhere

edgy ginkgo
#

D:

#

and if top gear also says haste mastery? 😄

fallen arch
#

Top gear for dslice values your haste mastery over crit?

frigid kestrel
#

The better questions is what is your crit currently at?

edgy ginkgo
#

yeah it does, my drit is at ~~36%

#

crit*

fallen arch
#

Well usually the advice for aoe is crit>mastery=haste>vers

#

But maybe once your crit is at a certian point it might value the others better

edgy ginkgo
#

yeah and thats why i'm confused.. i want to craft zoldycks and normally i would craft it with crit/mastery, but the sims made me overthink it^^

frigid kestrel
#

What are your gems/enchants?

fallen arch
#

It’s only 1 slot tho so kinda w/e

#

Not like its a massive loss to do the one or the other

edgy ginkgo
frigid kestrel
#

Crafting Crit/Mast is always the safe bet. You can always adjust stats around gems/enchants

edgy ginkgo
#

okay

fallen arch
#

Don’t lose sleep over secondaries on one slot

edgy ginkgo
#

dont worry, but thank you anyways! 🙂

rocky sluice
#

what missives stats for Zyldok?

burnt star
#

Crit/mast

#

Since u will only use zold in m+

idle star
#

Missed out on a 239 amp trinket tonight to loot councelling....

cobalt pelican
#

good

idle star
#

How is that good?

lavish lichen
#

means you are closer to getting it traded 😛

steel bane
#

I just saw that Frost was oversimming for Outlaw. Is that the case for Outlaw as well?

#

sorry , Assassination

fiery mauve
#

Yes very slightly

steel bane
#

still BiS?

fiery mauve
#

Yes

steel bane
#

k

woven ruin
#

Got a 239 amp trink last night, plus got my 239 phial last week! Better drops than the whole last tier

graceful mirage
#

i mean, naturally. since the ilevel is higher by default, you will always get better items

placid pagoda
#

IQD good for assa ST?

thorny pond
#

decent

river magnet
#

is there a minimum amount of haste one should have for ST in raid before stacking crit?

thorny pond
#

If you are playing frost shards then crit > haste

river magnet
#

blood atm, i have around 500 haste, if i switch ring, it will drop to 360ish

thorny pond
#

*sim yourself with top gear as always

#

Sim yourself then

river magnet
#

thanks!

arctic hare
#

Hmm, I wonder if its worth it to do my 16 today

fallen arch
#

...

#

Why would tomorrow be any better?

arctic hare
#

School

fallen arch
#

You make no sense to me right now

timid cloud
half quarry
delicate smelt
#

For which trinket i should aim to pair it with my Phial? Guardian trinket and from M+?

kind talon
#

Guardian trinket or shadowgrasp totem

#

:)

delicate smelt
#

Ok, Totem :) only one which I dont have :D

bleak sun
#

Im Playing iqd +phial for m+ 22/23

pure moth
#

So i have the bare minimum selected in raidbots. i hit replace existing gems but its far too many iterations to run it. any idea how to run this properly?

shy dust
#

Upgrade to premium

fervent rune
#

^

shy dust
#

It’s really worth it

fervent rune
#

Yeah definitely

pure moth
#

i did

#

and its just over the max

shy dust
#

Are you simmimg every possibly gem?

#

Like all 4?

pure moth
#

no

#

i unchecked things to try and reduce the iterations. just nothing is bringing it lower

wintry mica
#

check talents

shy dust
#

You must have something increasing it besides gems

wintry mica
#

also if you are simming combinations of dom shards and multiple rings or anything it gets to high iterations quickly

pure moth
#

i have 2 trinkets, 2 rings.. legit bare min is checked

wintry mica
#

and its over 16M iterations?

pure moth
#

by 205k

#

yes

wintry mica
#

uncheck replace gems and enchants

#

run the sim and link it and ill take a look

pure moth
wintry mica
#

I got all 4 of those rings, the conduits, and both leggos to fit under 16M

#

except I just realized I ran it as dungeon slice and not patchwerk

#

It was simming combinations of endurance conduits, it was also simming swapping your wep enchants from MH to OH

#

Id also say you dont even need to sim vers gems or ring enchants

pure moth
#

it doesnt change iteration count if u do or dont have the weapon enchants up though

wintry mica
#

it most definitely does

neon cloak
#

As rogue i can soak [Obliterate] ?

wintry mica
#

yes

#

you can cloak it

pure moth
#

it didnt change for me just now

shadow tusk
#

cloak and feint works relaly well

wintry mica
#

I'll link it when its done in a sec, but going from simming both wep enchants to just forcing Celestial MH sinful OH cut the iterations down by 3/4

pure moth
#

unsure why it didnt change for me

#

but its working for u

wintry mica
#

cause it was simming double sinful and double celestial too

#

granted double sinful can work but theres only 1 pure ST fight so not worth imo

#

hmm

#

i got basically the same as you did

#

doesnt make sense that that 252 ring isnt top though

#

even with the socket the 252 ring still has the same haste, but more vers

pure moth
#

yeah

#

i was also trying to sim shards to see what will be better.. but i dont even have 3 set after alll this time.. so meh

wintry mica
#

would need to add another dom socket piece or 2 to the simc input to sim the sets right now

#

if you add a shoulder you should be able to sim unholy vs frost

slow marsh
#

I mean once the ring is valor'd up it'll be better anyways

wintry mica
#

true

pure moth
#

the entwined?

slow marsh
#

Stitchflesh

wintry mica
#

it wouldnt surprise me if entwined wins with frost set

slow marsh
#

Well yeah with frost ofc

wintry mica
#

I wouldnt use valor to upgrade that haste vers ring if it was me

slow marsh
#

But doomblade UH

wintry mica
#

frost beats UH for doomblade with my gear at least

slow marsh
#

Also you need to buy the 220 Dom gloves from the deaths advance vendor

wintry mica
#

yea if you have 3 unholy gems, you should def go buy those gloves asap

slow marsh
#

213 Dom from lfr is better than m+ pieces

wintry mica
#

assuming you have a dps gem for it

pure moth
#

ya i have every gem... rank 4 frost rank 3 unholy.. i just have terrible luck getting things to drop otherwise

wintry mica
#

yea go get those gloves

#

those with unholy set will give you like 500+ dps probably

pure moth
#

ok

wintry mica
#

im so jealous of your dagger and ring btw

pure moth
#

hah.. i had luck for dagger in vault... but u think id have the same luck for dom sockets.... nahhh lol

wintry mica
#

and chest jeez

#

you got all the sylv loot lol

#

i finally got a normal sylv ring the other week since Im still bringing this guy in for sylv on alt runs lol

pure moth
#

ya 1 weeks vault was dagger, next week was chest

#

this past weeks vault was a dud

#

the gloves are tier 6.. and im only have way there. so i cant get them yet

wintry mica
#

damn forgot they were t6

#

im not even close to t6 either lol

pure moth
#

i need 10k more rep with them

final sky
#

what talents and conduits do u guys like on sylvanas? (necro)

wintry mica
#

I run normal single target on sylv

final sky
#

kk

wintry mica
#

I would be willing to bet that an LFR dom piece from tarra or the boots from nine would still be a dps boost for you because of unholy set

pure moth
#

ill queue now... im bored..

wintry mica
#

or shoulders from tarra could give you frost set

rancid pier
#

What are these gloves that go with unholy people are talking about?

wintry mica
#

you can buy dom gloves when you have tier 6 research

pure moth
#

subtle mortality manipulators off of archivist

wintry mica
#

only telling them to do it because they dont have the sockets to activate a set

rancid pier
#

Oh gotcha

#

I thought was missing out on something

halcyon zealot
pure moth
#

im really surprised i havent seen the shoulders from terra.. esp since its first boss.. and between normal/heroic chances.

halcyon zealot
#

all you need is revered with deaths advance

#

maybe even honored

wintry mica
#

oh then maybe you can get it now Kriz

pure moth
#

oh i saw the 239 version

deft vault
#

Is duskwalker any good for painsmith? seems like it could be pretty good for 2 vendetta per phase

wintry mica
#

I dont think its worth giving up another leggo for

pure moth
#

ah jsut 2k stygia. not bad i guess. atleast i had enough

wintry mica
#

yea that should be a big boost until you can get some shoulders to swap to frost

#

of the 102 mythic KT sin kills

#

0 are zoldyck

halcyon zealot
#

start the wave

#

xD

wintry mica
#

bout 60% doomblade 35% dashing 5% obe

#

probably just because not as many 262 dashings

#

and older kills will all be doomblade

pure moth
#

feels weird wearing a set after all this time

wintry mica
#

unholy looks really cool

#

frost is so boring in comparison

#

90% of the time I dont even notice the thing shooting out

#

until it crits for like 60k lol

pure moth
#

i think ill still queue for lfr and see how it does

#

i also just added the last upgraded rank for phial too.. not that 1 rank is significant

wintry mica
#

I dont have any exp on mythic KT but I dont know why a sin rogue would be staying out to AOE instead of going into phylactery

astral plover
#

T0he frost nerfs. didnt do anything to sin Right?

wintry mica
#

frost nerfs?

#

are you talking about the fixed outlaw sims?

plain thistle
#

but yeah, a frost SIM fix

fallen arch
#

Not really

wintry mica
#

cant decide if I should just make my dashing 262 or obe

pure moth
#

i just made the 262 dashing to have it available..

wintry mica
#

I mean if you are progging on mythic KT you know more than me, but it seems like a waste on heroic with how quick inside the phylactery goes

#

i still have obe outsimming dashing in ST which seems weird

burnt star
#

There were no change ingame

astral plover
#

Thank god

wintry mica
#

yea its not even really noticeable in the sims

burnt star
#

And still bis for outlaw

wintry mica
#

and us

burnt star
#

It had to do with ghostly strike being counted as damage amp or something on the proc

#

Anyways

#

Not important for sin channel

gusty mirage
#

why are they being called nerfs?

wintry mica
#

no nerfs

#

sim fix

#

nothing has changed in game

gusty mirage
#

I know

wintry mica
#

because sim dps is lower now

gusty mirage
#

Is this because of the garbage a certain "content creator" is putting out?

#

beautiful

#

I hope he stubs his toe tonight

dark token
#

Sim dps goes down class was NERfEd

wintry mica
#

the change for sin is probably close to being within the margin of error

plain thistle
#

quite noticeable

dark token
#

I got 5 sockets and have less dps than I did prenerf with no sockets

#

So it was a decent sim nerf

wintry mica
#

mine didnt change by that much but I guess ive gotten gear

plain thistle
#

I lost 240 if i remember corretly

halcyon zealot
#

i wonder how many people actually think they got nerfed in game

plain thistle
#

10.600 to 10.360, now I got back to 10.4k

wintry mica
#

frost set was doing 6% extra damage like 1/3 of the time so you wouldnt think it would be that crazy

late gulch
#

as venthyr. should my first legendary be obedience?

wintry mica
#

Yes, you can use it for any content so it’s a good first craft

late gulch
#

cool thanks ^^

wintry mica
#

It’s also not too bad farming soul ash on rogue

viscid spear
#

Gotta go fast

gusty adder
#

is it a bait, that dlice sims my 262 doomblade over 235 zoldyck?

#

dslice

red plaza
#

Kind of. I don’t think Dslice takes in to account keystone level and mobs living longer during zoldyck execute

#

If you’re hanging around 16s or 17s or below mobs just get deleted (depending on your group ofc)

plain thistle
#

ghostly strike?

#

maybe in outlaw channel 🙂

deft escarp
#

oh lol sry

plain thistle
#

np sir

misty bough
#

i love the frost set

#

look at that sweet 71.5k crit

limber lion
#

Yup.

#

Pretty juicy.

misty bough
#

love it

#

but painsmith... not so much kekw

raw kernel
#

is it maxed out?

misty bough
#

t4

tribal marlin
#

Crimson Tempest :3 ?

#

is this mythic ?

misty bough
#

yesa

tribal marlin
#

Seems a wierd choice of talent to me

misty bough
#

how else

#

r u gonna help w balls

tribal marlin
#

you means adds ?

misty bough
#

there is no adds

#

there are balls

shadow tusk
misty bough
#

and crimson tempest is just free dmg on em

tribal marlin
#

But I mean you only need to kill one ball right ?

misty bough
#

yes

tribal marlin
#

So you'd better do envenom than CT

#

on that ball

misty bough
#

@limber lion help

#

i give up

#

crimson tempest op

shadow tusk
dawn ivy
#

not an awful choice

#

youre doing damage to the boss and an orb at the same time, or youre helping with adds

misty bough
#

balls everywhere

mint kindle
#

Is 31% cc enough to go frost?

shadow tusk
#

u padding on balls?

dawn ivy
#

okay wait you think those balls count

#

LOL

#

WAIT BUDDY

shadow tusk
#

cus the dmg isnt counted on logs

tribal marlin
#

Please guys tell me you are trolling me pepehands

misty bough
#

lmao no

dawn ivy
#

youre doing the right thing for the wrong reasons lmao

tribal marlin
#

I would understand an argument about having a bit more of damage on the intermissions adds

#

Even if well you're not gonna do shit on these add CT or no

#

but balls Oo

misty bough
#

adds aftger intermission

tribal marlin
#

Lik idk ball spawn, you target it Mut Mut Env

#

end of story

misty bough
#

also

#

those adds

unknown.png
#

those balls mid intermission helps me keep my snd up due to envenom

#

but crimson is for after intermission adds and the spiked ball that spawns

limber lion
shadow tusk
#

you'd be better off just clicking SnD

#

in the intermission

misty bough
#

thats atleast what im using it for

#

wheres the fun in that dank

#

thats T5 right cev?

limber lion
#

no

#

T4

misty bough
#

😮

shadow tusk
#

soulrender?

oak sky
#

Dont the adds die super fast to classes that do actual aoe anyway though

shadow tusk
#

they do

limber lion
#

Always PB.

misty bough
#

yea ur memeing if u dont do ct on painsmith

limber lion
#

huh

misty bough
#

inting*

limber lion
cursive silo
#

whazt

cursive silo
sharp zodiac
#

Dude

#

Your CT is useless on those adds

oak sky
#

Yeah thats what im saying

sharp zodiac
#

No burst

oak sky
#

Its not even worth it

sharp zodiac
#

Your better off rupturing two for the energy regen

#

Then back on boss

limber lion
#

Yeh, CT is not worth it on Painsmith.

oak sky
#

You get value out of ct for one cast then it does less damage

limber lion
#

Would not recommend.

oak sky
#

Or 2 casts ig

misty bough
#

why the heck wouldnt u be using CT on painsmith

limber lion
#

Why would you

tribal marlin
#

I wonder if you can actually funnel AoE damage into the Frost set pool

#

to do higher Frost hit on main target

misty bough
#

there are sets of adds after intermission aswell

cursive silo
#

you can

sharp zodiac
#

Even your ball damage is worthless really as sin on Painsmith haha

limber lion
sharp zodiac
#

I guess any bit helps

misty bough
#

those 3 seconds is prob more damage than PB would give you on the entire fight

tribal marlin
limber lion
#

Definitely not worth.

#

but you do you.

cursive silo
#

if you can make sure your frost set tick goes on the boss then yea

shadow tusk
#

Theres adds on Renman too Pepeg

sharp zodiac
#

Listen if you think your CT is what is killing the adds and you can kill without them

cursive silo
#

i mean wouldn't you dot them for energy anyway

sharp zodiac
#

Your comp has issues

limber lion
#

You can always use CT on the balls and then proc the frost proc on a ball that you won't even kill

misty bough
#

I use CT on remmy

limber lion
#

so completely wasting damage.

misty bough
#

🙂

limber lion
#

All damage on balls that don't die, is wasted damage.

oak sky
#

The only fight where i feel like my ct is doing something is soulrender

limber lion
#

Unless you get resources back from them

#

Legit only 3 fights where you'd play CT

sharp zodiac
#

If you’re playing Sin on Painsmith do what you’re good at. hit the boss

limber lion
#

Soulrender, Kel'Thuzad and MAYBE Fatescribe

tribal marlin
#

And Soulrender like, we extended 2 weeks on Sylvanas because we are monkeys

oak sky
#

Kt if you were to go down you would just play pb yeah?

bleak sky
tribal marlin
#

But I'm pretty sure Soulrender's adds

#

when, we will come back

misty bough
#

dont forget eye ceverion

#

😮

tribal marlin
#

will just melt

misty bough
#

and nine

limber lion
shadow tusk
#

Is it worth rupturing a ball or 2 on pain tho

limber lion
#

nor on Nine

#

lol.

sharp zodiac
#

Excuse me

bleak sky
oak sky
#

Literally does less damage on both those fights

sharp zodiac
#

Who plays CT on eye or nine

oak sky
#

What

misty bough
#

why wouldnt you play CT on nine

sharp zodiac
#

Bruh youre trolling

cursive silo
#

nine and eye are like 66%+ ST

bleak sky
#

why would you play ct on the nine

oak sky
#

Eye is funnel and nine is an st fight

tribal marlin
#

Idk how Soulrender actually going for full geared guilds, but yeah I think these adds just melt right ?

limber lion
#

oh boy.

sharp zodiac
#

@limber lion don’t feed it

bleak sky
#

adds live for like 1:20 on the nine

sharp zodiac
#

Don’t do it

misty bough
#

multiple 3target

cursive silo
#

no

sharp zodiac
#

Sir

limber lion
#

You can play CT if you want.

cursive silo
#

like once or twice isn't multiple enough

limber lion
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Might not be optimal, but you do you.

oak sky
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Enjoy ct parse

misty bough
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i like ct

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limber lion
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"You should play CT on the Eye"

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it's better

bleak sky
cursive silo
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that's fine if you like it but don't tell people it's better than bomb

sharp zodiac
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Literally all the top logs are bomb 😂

misty bough
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last time i played with bomb it did like

sharp zodiac
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That 97 might be a 99 if you play bomb

misty bough
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3% overall

oak sky
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???

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It also doesnt cost p

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Cp

cursive silo
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3% damage from a passive talent somehow it's bad

misty bough
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but too be fair my CT did 3.51% overall on my ninelog so lets not talk about that

sharp zodiac
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Yeah because 1:30 of the fight is 2-3 target

dawn ivy
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i mean its not a TERRIBLE choice, if you want to play it, its not inting that hard

bleak sky
sharp zodiac
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The remaining 4 minutes is ST

dawn ivy
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but yeah it not ideal probably

tribal marlin
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yeah like this talent row anyway

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is like w/e

misty bough
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on 2 targets one 5cp ct would do more damage than a envenom tho, only issue is that u dont get the precious envenom buff

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its time to give hidden blades its glory

tribal marlin
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especially nowaday : if you don't kill bosses today it's not a dps problem

dawn ivy
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@misty bough keep in mind everyone running dashing/frost set makes pb a little bit more valuable

bleak sky
cursive silo
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yea but when the fight is more than 2/3rd ST it doesdn't matter that CT does slightly more damage on 2

misty bough
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my gm is gonna flame my ass for not doing enough add damage when i swap out ct on certain bosses OMEGAKEKW

sharp zodiac
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Not really

cursive silo
oak sky
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Ur on a st class though

bleak sky
tribal marlin
bleak sky
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you pump bosses

cursive silo
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nah just people bad

sharp zodiac
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I’m going to guess Remnant you play CT as well @misty bough

cursive silo
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one pullthey'll wake up and do actual damage

tribal marlin
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or not doing mechanics properly. But even your grey parsing guild will not have dps issue if you do the encounter correctly believe me !

misty bough
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fuck yes

sharp zodiac
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Whatever floats your boat I guess

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If the boss does who cares what talent set you play

misty bough
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oh yea it was that trial run

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now i remember

cursive silo
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doing damage doesn't mean you're right

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some people do 99s with rotation mistakes and/or bad talents

sharp zodiac
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You’d be better off just rupturing quick for energy regen

tribal marlin
misty bough
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for sure miki

sharp zodiac
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SBS too if you’re Necro

tribal marlin
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pre-nerf I swear to god you would not have killed that boss

shadow tusk
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keep in mind, even tho CT would be higher overall than PB

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Pressing CT means u dont press envenom

tribal marlin
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When we killed Ner'zhul last time the orbs were staying alive like 3sec after the tank hit theim 😦

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Well it looks like guys in your guild don't like AoE @misty bough so yeah

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maybe you're right to play CT after all xD

oak sky
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is there a way to sort rankings by add damage

tribal marlin
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nop

oak sky
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rip

kind talon
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someone summoned me

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who is playing ct on painsmith

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bad boy

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u need a spanking

misty bough
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one of our players is legit dying irl in some infection rn and playing, he got a adrenaline shot right next to him in case

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dedicated af

oak sky
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tell him to quit

cursive silo
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adrenaline rush irl

oak sky
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wtf

cursive silo
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the apm

misty bough
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i told him agreon

cursive silo
misty bough
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20 times

sharp zodiac
misty bough
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he works as a ambulance man so i guess he knows wtf hes doing

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but dudes sitting there struggling to breath and raiding

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yet performing better than plenty of others

oak sky
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thats fucked

misty bough
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i told him to go to bed he was like

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"nah i have more fun here"

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bruh

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gtfo

limber lion
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Got my last heroic r1 today yay

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no more pink parses

oak sky
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damn

vagrant bison
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is havoc better than assa in st? I know assa is theoretically the best but there is this havoc that just does stupid damage and i can't get close to his dps at all

drifting cloud
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assa is better

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but not by alot

oak sky
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teach me your ways @limber lion i cant pass 97

limber lion
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:P practice makes perfect.