assassination

[oak sky]

which has a bunch of 3t pulls

but in practice its probably meh at best

[dark token]

Not really, no

Dashing ties with obedience for my character, and Zoldyck quite a bit worse (admittedly at 235)

[oak sky]

poke the bear

[dark token]

MA talent is pretty good actually

I like it equally to subterfuge haven't decided which I like to play better

MA sims better

[oak sky]

are you simming patchwerk?

[dark token]

No?

[oak sky]

then why would those legendaries sim higher

[dark token]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2DwnhXyFbaaNHPrbSMuFNh

Because they are good?

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

[dark token]

Feelycract subterfuge is better but having played keys both with and without it it's equal dmg and more aoe on big pulls like in dos

I DO play sin in m+ a lot https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Frozensoviet

[balmy condor]

And you’re entitled to your opinion, even if it’s wrong

[cursive silo]

Playing a lot doesn’t mean youre good lol

[dark token]

So if the sim says MA is better

[balmy condor]

You wouldn’t

[dark token]

And I got more dmg from MA in keys

Why is subterfuge better

[balmy condor]

Because iron wire exists?

[dark token]

Yeah the silence utility is nice but not critical

[oak sky]

reduced damage

[dark token]

Depends on your comp

[main forge]

As always, the sim is completely perfect play. There is always feelcrafty and other things to take into account.

[dark token]

If I'm in a low interrupt comp I would probably take subterfuge

[balmy condor]

I mean in every key there’s casters that could benefit from a silence on pull, it helps group up mobs if the casters are spread, it helps the tank going into the pull, you can vanish for 3 potent silences/kicks in a hectic pull

Like

That doesn’t seem very “meh I guess I’ll just go for 50 more dps” to me

But if you want to do that

You are a man of convictions and you have the right to play the game however you’d like

Go for it

[oak sky]

on an unrelated note, fuck holy priest

[dark token]

It's also not 50 dps but more like 400-500 but yeah

I agree the utility of subterfuge is hard to measure and I'm still 50/50 on the usage of MA or subterfuge in keys, I vary it based on dungeon or comp or what I feel like lol

I do think however Zoldyck is pretty shit if you play venthyr

Both dashing and obedience sim a LOT higher

[oak sky]

not for me

and i have better non leggo legs than cape

at least dashing doesnt

i should say

[cursive silo]

A lot higher (55)

[tacit wedge]

The first pull of HoA, i always do a beeline to the 2 casters while my tank grab the 2 melees and the huntmaster, having 3 garrotes is just so good for that

[main forge]

I have been really struggling these past few weeks before I got my 3rd domination socket... and seeing the parses being low... in the green and grey range, sometimes a blue one... but now looking at just night fae rogues alone... I'm not doing bad... hitting top 100 or 200 on some heroic fights. makes me happy that I am doing SOMETHING right at least. even if night fae is probably the worst cov right now.

[tacit wedge]

Or just 3xgarrote, vanish, reapply them and watch everything melt

[main forge]

also with that silence, DPS can just worry about DPSing and not waiting for a cast.

[oak sky]

so called free thinkers using fok in keys when they can use the chad mutilate instead

[dark token]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow dirge]

Do you particulary like something about nf?

[dark token]

Also zerocool is blasting with dashing scoundrel in keys too so

[tacit wedge]

Tho i am a nasty Internal Bleeding user

[dark token]

It's not just me thinking it's good

[balmy condor]

Who?

[dark token]

#1 sin rogue Rio

Also has highest key dps rankings

[tacit wedge]

highest key dps ranking

Yeee because m+ is only that

And not good use of utility

[hollow dirge]

Everyone thinks and knows it’s good. That said, for an average player, it’s not an advice to give .
Most players will get the best results from subt/zoldyck+ all the benefits of silence and stuff whispyr mentioned.
It’s an interesting expansion in terms of dps diversity, especially for rogues, many picks can be picked and played efficiently, but some are still going to provide your grp with a bit more

[main forge]

I loved the covenant story, and the aesthetics of it. and enjoy the zone and everything else. and honestly don't want to relevel out another covenant tbh. This is literally the dumbest system they may have ever designed.

[hollow dirge]

Cool, nice to see there are still many out there picking for their own flavour and game experience, rather than min maxing all the time 😂

[misty holly]

Triple garrote on single target for max pandemic

[tacit wedge]

Gaming

[dark token]

I'll give you subterfuge for sure it's the better pick for most cases I think, but scoundrel vs Zoldyck are both passive legendaries that require no gameplay adjustments

Zoldyck value often lost especially in tyrannical weeks as by the time bosses get to 30% hp your 2nd 2 mins comes up, reducing time in execute phase

[main forge]

I really didn't like Flaggelation when I last played with it leveling up either. felt like a wet noodle and didn't seem to do anything. felt clunky to use, even though sepsis is too. Necro had the best ability but their cov ability sucked. I really enjoy soul shape. gets me out of jams and is fun to use.

[dark token]

Same reason raging axe power isn't as good as brand

Not to mention it just sims lower

[vestal wren]

i don't maintain the google doc but no its using the default profile so the answer is no.

[cursive silo]

Don’t flame my man Fleshcraft

[misty holly]

I actually really like fleshcraft... like a lot

think I use it more than I would any other ability

[hollow dirge]

True, having a blink felt great. Sepsis sucked dick though

[main forge]

I aim to be at the bottom of the damage taken meters so... I didn't see much use for it.

[zinc frost]

100 percent.. it’s so good.

[misty holly]

It's amazing how many boss fights seem to have these little 5 second intermissions here and there

[dark token]

Zoldyck def the best tif you play necro but like I said, if venthyr consider dashing scoundrel for high keys/tyrannical weeks

[misty holly]

perfect for a fleshcraft shield

[hollow dirge]

Fleshcraft is nice,but having to cast anything as a rogue is cancer

[misty holly]

when you are watching for them, they are everywhere

[hollow dirge]

Same with door of shadows

[cursive silo]

I mean theres a lot of times youre doing nothing lol

[hollow dirge]

Yeah, and that’s the only time I was using it 😂

[misty holly]

sylvanas changes phases has a break each time

after you jump platforms sometimes you get time to fleshcraft too

[cursive silo]

Yea thats the point of the spell lol

Except if ure using emeni

[fallen arch]

Disagree

[main forge]

Its not scaling well either. I think it did 0.7% to 1.3% dps...

Sin rogues if anything can actually get a cast off. Sub and outlaw might be too button mashy imo

[strange python]

Should I have any haste cap if I'm running frost shards?

frost bonus*

[dark token]

No just stack giga crit basically

[hollow dirge]

Well to each his own, but I always liked melee becouse everything is instant. Even back in the day when slam was a cast, I hated it on my warr 😂

[dark token]

And haste where you can get it

I'm at 1100 crit and 500 haste and my sim still prefers crit gear

[fallen arch]

It's a massive shield that u can lose on any downtime

[strange python]

Thank you so much ❤️

[tacit wedge]

Wait ppl use door of shadow in raid/m+

[strange python]

Btw what leggo are you playing with? DS or mutilate?

[tacit wedge]

Sim

[strange python]

@dark token

[cursive silo]

I use it on sylv to precast in the veil kekw

[misty holly]

door of shadows should have had no cast time like warrior leap or something

[oak sky]

dashing is probably better to craft if you dont have either but if you have both sim it @strange python

[misty holly]

just target it and go

[oak sky]

didnt it in beta?

[zinc frost]

That shit is OP

[strange python]

Okay, thx

[cursive silo]

Wouldn’t go as far as calling it OP but yea its fun

[forest junco]

Is Obedience bis for Venthyr?

What item do i put it on?

[zinc frost]

Cloak

[forest junco]

thanks

[rocky lodge]

Have been wondering… with the frost set might it be an idea to go Kyrian with Kleia as SB and the DS legendary to get more crits?

[kind veldt]

@rocky lodge u could always sim it

[rocky lodge]

Ye was thinking of doing that when i get home from work, just maybe if someone had already done any research on it

[iron orchid]

If you happen to check the details of the sims in the pins, you'll notice that there is a kyrian profile using kleia and dashing

[rocky lodge]

Ah Nice

[slow tulip]

how much of a dps inc is to level your conduits by 1 rank

on average

🤔

[untold nest]

Prob 0.3-0.6%

Sim it. Sim a 239 and a 252 conduit and see the dps difference

[slow tulip]

🙏

thx

[winged basin]

morning y’all what’s the move today

[tacit wedge]

We uuuh wait to scale and top charts again

[winged basin]

sCaLiNG

[spice spire]

Work then MDIQ time trials

[tacit wedge]

We scaled in CN we just needed a 20% aura buff

[winged basin]

Now that’s

[viscid spear]

Got progression kills on Painsmith & Guardian last night, 7/10H now
Now progression on Fatescribe

[spice spire]

Let’s go! Fatescribe is easy as long as raid doesn’t monkey out

[kind talon]

@spice spire

kyrian sin

might be tech

ngl

[spice spire]

No shot

[sterile chasm]

Why my sim is so low

Only 9600

I want break 10 k :(

[spice spire]

Gem rank? Ilvl? Less than ideal talents or conduits? It could be a million things

[fallen arch]

Whats different there from hc?

[neat reef]

People are selected at random to do runes

And the bombs stay around and blow up again when the next round of bombs come out

[viscid spear]

Was a weird night tbh.
Came in and one-shot Soulrender & Remnant after having trouble on Tuesday (we've already downed them before, we just had a rough night). Got Painsmith after a few pulls and then did 17 attempts on Guardian. People were dying to stupid things and by the 17th pull we had people dropping off to go to sleep because they blamed exhaustion. One pull we had like 117k left on boss.
So despite it bring past raid time, some of us decided to do one more pull. We were 2/3/7 at this point. We took a break to talk about strats and adjustments since we were running a smaller comp. Downed it on first try. Went to sleep and woke up 4 hrs later for work.

[spice spire]

The 4 hour gamer

Welcome to the leagues

But good shit homie

Let’s go

[spice spire]

Ash was talking about heroic. I’m a heroic shitter still. My only edge is that I’m an OTP

[gusty mirage]

You gonna watch my m+ tank and his crew try to qualify or nah?

[viscid spear]

Our server's not very great, 7/10H ties puts us at 4th overall server prog, and 1st for Alliance.

[somber breach]

Woah that's nuts

[viscid spear]

But I'm happy.
Especially for the tips and help from here.

[spice spire]

No I’m trying to qualify the heck

[kind talon]

mythic fatescribe?

[fallen arch]

Ye

[kind talon]

theres soaks in the boss dps phases

that are randomly assigned

[fallen arch]

Gonna be there in like a week I hope

[kind talon]

you have to los the p2 add casts

or outrange them as melee

cant interrupt them

the runes shoot a beam into the middle when you run them

[arctic hare]

Oh GOD

That sounds terrible

I got to tank my raid last night and it was pretty fun, so

[sudden shell]

dumb question, when playing vigor, do you mutilate on 3 CP or just go into envenom not to overcap by chance

[arctic hare]

You envenom on 4-5 cp, if you’re at three, I recommend using poisoned dagger for that extra cp

Cause its not affected by the passive that gives an extra combo point for every crit

[spice spire]

This is cursed

[arctic hare]

Heh

[spice spire]

Don’t play around seal fate. Just mut > finisher

[arctic hare]

I thought I would honestly never use poisoned dagger

[arctic hare]

True

[orchid timber]

is frost getting a nerf or is infexious click baiting agian ?

[spice spire]

At 3 CP. better to overcap by 1-2 than using a finisher at 3

[spice spire]

He’s baiting

[real bay]

there is no nerf

[spice spire]

Sim wasn’t reflective of actual damage so it’s showing less now

[real bay]

nothing has changed except in sims

[orchid timber]

srsly this guy

[real bay]

i fuking hate clickbait youtubers the worst there is

[spice spire]

Preaching to the choir chief

[gusty mirage]

especially when they're named Infexious

and are full of shit

[real bay]

and thats not enough, misinformation too

yea, more like obnoxious

[stuck knoll]

If anything it's better for us the sim is being adjusted

your damage in game will be more appropriate to what your sim says

[real bay]

idd

[wanton comet]

How reliable are sims for the shards? my rank 3 unholy still sims better then rank 3 frost?

i have 40% crit aswell

[spice spire]

Very reliable currently. I’d check rank four to see if they pull ahead.

If you want to link top gear I can check it out and make sure it’s kosher

[shrewd night]

Im just curious, could you link the bait to me

[gusty mirage]

why must you do this to me

just mute me now

lmao

[tribal marlin]

on his live stream there is a !frostshardnerf command

[fervent rune]

Why does it sim the unholy aura gem in front of shard of bek both the same lvl? When I use it I do barely any dmg with it

[civic trellis]

frost shards nerfed due to change in multipliers like ghostlystrikes and Weapon enchant being blacklisted

xd

xd

xd

[shrewd night]

I fucking hate contentcreators not understanding the difference between adjusting sims to be accurate, and actual nerfs provided by blizzard.

[civic trellis]

he actually added a change done to ghostly strike

he is definitely creating content

[shrewd night]

Ye, he is creating content that doesnt exist.

[civic trellis]

XDDD

[dull cloak]

wym, I get all my rogue content from only Infexious

[alpine latch]

Wait, we don't use Noxxic as a source anymore?

[spice spire]

Next you’re going to tell me ask mr. robot isn’t the go to

[alpine latch]

Oh shit, I forgot about askmrrobot

[gusty mirage]

same tbh, I take all the content he puts out and I do the exact opposite

it's done me well

[fallen arch]

IT ISNT?

[kind talon]

Wtf????

[kind talon]

So instead of max rank frost gems with 41% crit you have rank 1 blood gems with 14% crit?

[gusty mirage]

yes

[fallen arch]

Sounds about right

[gusty mirage]

have you seen my parses?

they ain't very good

[kind talon]

That’s is amazing

[thorny pond]

Oxi doesn’t even run shards

He puts in random xpac prismatic shards and blasts

[viscid spear]

Oxi justs runs this shit

[thorny pond]

Oxi once fought off 14 ravenous bears with nothing but an aluminum folding chair and a cigarette

[viscid spear]

It wasn't even lit

[narrow ravine]

the bears were not animals though

[real bay]

tbh, this youtuber seems like a worse source of info than Noxxic

[fallen arch]

Probably right

[thorny pond]

When the name of the game is speed of content and reactionaries, who has time to run sims and fact check your claims?

[tacit wedge]

I once tried to use AMR for the meme and nearly got an aneurysm because it was awful to use

[drowsy parcel]

[real bay]

last time i used AMR was in MoP

[tacit wedge]

I dont even remember if Noxxic was once a decent source

[strange python]

It was shit xD

[real bay]

always has been

[strange python]

always will be

[fallen arch]

Shit there makes no sense at all

[thorny pond]

We are a community of learned doctors. If you don't open source your claims, we hate you

[tacit wedge]

Also i remember that day a friend told me that stat weight is good if you get ur new weights after each upgrade
Like
Bro
Just sim topgear instead?

[gusty mirage]

why sim topgear when you can just run 54953594393 stat weights a day?

[drowsy parcel]

that was the old way

[real bay]

why sim when you can use pawn, kekw?

xdd

[drowsy parcel]

in legion

get new pawn string after every item

[real bay]

one of the most useless addons

[thorny pond]

Just sim every piece of gear ever

[gusty mirage]

true

who needs droptimizer?

or top gear

[real bay]

just do math in your head,easy

[gusty mirage]

^

[drowsy parcel]

droptimizer didnt exist back then i think?

[tacit wedge]

Just follow your guts

[gusty mirage]

I don't believe so

[tacit wedge]

Droptimizer was in beta during Legion iirc

So not optimized

[gusty mirage]

it's been so long and I'm an old man

[tacit wedge]

Or paywalled

[gusty mirage]

memory's not what it used to be

[real bay]

droptimizer came in bfa pretty sure

[spice spire]

@gusty mirage go to sleep

[kind talon]

I’m about to sleep, @gusty mirage come lay down w me?

[spice spire]

[ionic vault]

Is frost shard set still bis for sin rogues ?

[spice spire]

Yes

[kind talon]

Yes

[ionic vault]

Thanks

[spice spire]

[kind talon]

Too slow

[spice spire]

Shouldn’t have had decaf this am

[scenic root]

So I got my shoulders, and just need one more Dom sockets for frost set. Need to recraft Lego cause doomblade still on shoulders. Should I craft dashing or doomblade first?

[craggy oak]

Dashing

[narrow ravine]

they are pretty close in ST, and dashing is a bit better in m+

you can use top gear on raidbots to sim with different legendaries on

make sure maim and lethal conduits are simmed too, each legendary seems to like one or the other more

[shadow helm]

when playing with frost shards

phantom fire/shadowcore oil and eternal skirmish shiet?

[scenic root]

I have obedience(crit/verse for sub) on cloak and zold on pants. So shouldn't need to worry for m+

[hollow river]

Stones/oils don’t really make a difference

[scenic root]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[hollow river]

Eternal skirm/eternal stats I don’t think is a big difference either but idk

[shadow helm]

i mean with frost shards

more crit procs = frost procs right

[narrow ravine]

if they do end up letting us use two legendaries, dashing+zoldyck might be so nice

[thorny pond]

It stores the crits if that's what you mean, it will proc in the same intervals always

[hollow river]

Zoldycks + MA legendary in keys would be sick

[fallen arch]

A lot of stuff paired with Zoldyck is gonna be reallly good I think

But there are probably specs/classes that can make way more broken combo's than this

[thorny pond]

Lot to happen between now and then

I remember in legion we had similar talks then they added the ring and tuned things around quite a bit

[hollow river]

Fire mage

[spice spire]

@marble hemlock should I craft deathspike or is Zoldyck’s still better 99% of the time? Sorry for ping, legitimately curious and trying to put it in correct chat

[fallen arch]

for instance yes

[spice spire]

Since you’re a higher end Necrolord enjoyer

[thorny pond]

Quake, what specs are you playing?

[spice spire]

I’m a sin gamer

OTP even

[narrow ravine]

I prefer Zoldyck because its not completely useless on a boss fight

[thorny pond]

I'd prob stick zolds then simply because DS doesn't offer a lot on tyran weeks

[spice spire]

He’s posted some damage tho

[thorny pond]

eventually you'll get both

[spice spire]

On tyran weeks I’m forced into ST

[fallen arch]

by whom

[thorny pond]

by virtue of being a sin rogue on tyr weeks

[spice spire]

Because my ele and UDH aren’t doing dick for boss damage

So i have to pick that burden up

[pale plank]

I don’t think they are gonna do 2 leggo, too hard to balance I think some classes are gonna be bonkers

[spice spire]

I still run CT though, not an absolute ape

But it works for comp, I still top charts at 8-10k overall and it’ll only go higher as they progress

[narrow ravine]

is MfD+ Nightstalker really better than Subterfuge in m+

[fallen arch]

Not for me

I have no clue how to play that

So I'll stick with subt

[hollow river]

It’s better for lower keys

[fallen arch]

But played by a robot, that might be better

[thorny pond]

MfD NS revolves around slamming the shit outta CT

[narrow ravine]

I keep seeing places like herodamage only suggest the mfd+nightstalker in every single dungeon slice chart, and I don't really know anyone who actually plays it

I mean subterfuge cant be that behind that all top 1000 combinations never change talents?

[thorny pond]

It may assume no restealths

check for things like that

[hollow river]

What does hero damage use to get its sims

Raidbots patchwerk and dslice?

[narrow ravine]

yeah and raid boss with adds, but was just looking at dslice

[thorny pond]

AMR and Infexious

[hollow river]

Oof

[thorny pond]

I have no clue just being a jackass

[hollow river]

Someone in here linked an infexious log

He got rank 1 on some fight

[spice spire]

Then a 4 and 8 parse on fatescribe and KT

Balanced as all things should be

Plus private logs

[fallen arch]

Well that he makes questionable guides doesn't make him necessarily a bad player

[narrow ravine]

dunno what assumptions herodamage is making but im scrolling down their top combinations list to find a single instance where they used subterfuge

[fallen arch]

Don't use Herodamage

That simple

[narrow ravine]

im not using them clearly cause I am using subterfuge 😛

just more a curiosity why its not even in their top 5000 parses

[violet jackal]

Wait is ask mr robot not a good sim site?

[narrow ravine]

my raid leader swears by AMR, and I use raidbots

[violet jackal]

I like that I can adjust the stats to how I want them and it will still optimize gear to fit my criteria

I also enjoy not waiting an eternity on vault day to compare dps difference of a single piece of gear

[narrow ravine]

he thinks AMR produces results that are more real world obtainable than simc

[harsh lantern]

I just pay for raidbots it’s very nice

Like 5 bucks for zero wait ever

[spice spire]

^

[harsh lantern]

I can’t even use free raidbots you change 2 things and you’re out of iterations

[violet jackal]

I don’t have a job but I can farm you herbs daily. You trying to buy my premium

[narrow ravine]

more like 10 things but I get your point

[harsh lantern]

Shared accounts op just have a discord pitch .25 cents each

[narrow ravine]

on dslice, the difference between the entire 2nd row of talents is minimal , a 60dps swing from worst to best

for me

I might even stop using subterfuge over MA if its this little difference

[harsh lantern]

don’t think I’ve even done a key as sin feels like you gotta be doing 20+ keys for it do anything

I always just swap sub

[narrow ravine]

yeah im not a big key pusher, 16-17 is about all I do

[harsh lantern]

same here

And I do like zero aoe dmg in those

Press FoK and black powder profit

[narrow ravine]

yeah I am way out of practice for sub

I just cant pull the ST numbers out of it like sin

[harsh lantern]

It’s kinda close for me

But aoe isn’t even close

[narrow ravine]

FoK+BP sounds super easy for packs but on boss fights, im just not doing sub right

but to be fair ive only played it maybe twice this whole expac

went back to sin because its all muscle memory

[harsh lantern]

yeah I have the great habit of playing a new class sub par every tier

but sin is fun I quit rogue too early last tier

[scenic root]

I enjoy sin up to 5 targets. More than 5, just feels bad to FoK and get 1 CP.

[slow marsh]

I play kt

It

And if you sim that vs subt vig in dslice it wins with both MA and zold

[narrow ravine]

im sure, but when I simmed myself it was nearly no difference but maybe dslice is not a very good thing to sim against

[slow marsh]

Dslice is very good for rogue

[narrow ravine]

im more mistrusting of the dslice as a measurement, it seems to do a single 2min boss fight, restealth and then a few small packs of mobs

[slow marsh]

Which is almost exactly how m+ works

[narrow ravine]

maybe on lower keys

[slow marsh]

😫

Then do what you want since you're the expert

[fallen arch]

get crit

[scenic root]

I'm at 32% right now.

[narrow ravine]

not an expert but its just not how we play the game, we are not doing packs of 4 one at a time, we are pulling 2-3 packs at a time

[marble hemlock]

zoldyck

[fallen arch]

Does Chaos Brand boost our nature damage?

Dont think so right ?

[marble hemlock]

vendetta so trash, cant even solo kill muehzala add on 24

[scenic root]

Did you have lust?

[marble hemlock]

regular drums

but even then

its tight

imo just better to have healer solo his with ashen

tank comes with me, i hold vendetta, and pop it on boss after with 120% haste buff

[fallen arch]

If you have pala that is :p

[marble hemlock]

during execute

but yeah its kinda sad

how s hit vendetta is these days

[scenic root]

They need to make those adds not effected by tyrannical

[marble hemlock]

its just that vend is a bad CD these days

used to be one of the strongest with 30% damage amp

now its just bad

when every other class has CDs that doubles or triples their DPS

and ours is still 30% amp

[slow marsh]

Flag is the better rogue CD now a days

[marble hemlock]

ye

[tired citrus]

general kit should be stronger than a covenant ability but thats shadowlands

[spice spire]

Unluckers ty papi

Rogue damage profile is flat af

[slow marsh]

It's nice for the consistency but yeah when other classes are spiking way higher and being played around it does feel bad sometimes

[marble hemlock]

i personally think no CD should boost DPS by more than 50%, at most

[slow marsh]

They wouldn't have a game then

[marble hemlock]

worked fine up until ~2expansions ago though

these massive burst windows werent really a thing until late legion/bfa

[slow marsh]

You mean when they started half assing content

Makes sense right

[marble hemlock]

i think its just a design decision that sets them apart from other games

but it leads to a whole lot of issues

[tired citrus]

used to be fine some expansions ago but ye you are right

[marble hemlock]

whether its world of multipliercraft in pvp, or strategies on raidbosses being tailored around CDs

[tired citrus]

mage outside of combust

[marble hemlock]

boomie doing 4k dps

[tired citrus]

boomies outside of 3mins

[marble hemlock]

and then 40k during CDs

[shadow helm]

how do u open on two targets guy

esp on THE NINE

[tired citrus]

makes 0 fkin sense

just cloak the first dispell thingy and you should be fine

[shadow helm]

ignore the other one until you finish your opener i geuess

[slow marsh]

Open normal ST then apply dots to 2nd target after shiv

[marble hemlock]

yeah, just fuck over someone elses opener by cloaking your debuff

[tired citrus]

if you precloak you still get it but its only 3 persons

[marble hemlock]

meh, id rather cloak meteor

[tired citrus]

thats on opener tho you would have it back for somehting more important

in p2

[frigid kestrel]

Full open on one, and Pop Bleeds and keep them up on the other

[slow marsh]

Ye for sure cloak first shards on your way to stack point so it goes to someone who's already getting dispelled

[frigid kestrel]

After burst window of course

[slow marsh]

Then step back to boss. You lose like 1-2 s

[tired citrus]

if you precloak shard and its on you only 3 get it

[cerulean nest]

any tips on sylvanas? blue parsing where I otherwise am in the orange. i went PB for prio damage but it still just feels messy

[slow marsh]

Uptime bb

Make sure you're getting full use of the two burn phases in p2

[cerulean nest]

yeah i'm slapping during those

on the add platforms are you dotting up both big boys?

[slow marsh]

And then pray you don't get wailing p3

Yeah ofc

[cerulean nest]

i did get a couple arrows last night which didnt help

not to mention still need another week for dashing + r4 frost

just felt bad

[radiant dirge]

Any tips on parsing KT?

[shadow helm]

use FoK when they grip the shit add

mythic btw

[slow marsh]

Parsing KT is too dependant on your group imo

[plain thistle]

dont stop dps for 40s every phase is also very good

[drowsy parcel]

dont go downstairs

[slow marsh]

Even if you go full blast through it though

[drowsy parcel]

stay up and pad

[slow marsh]

Or

[marble hemlock]

jhonwei

[slow marsh]

Go down dot then come back up

[cerulean nest]

lmao

[plain thistle]

[radiant dirge]

Always get sent down

[marble hemlock]

rogue isnt even that good downstairs

would be much better upstairs

boomie carries the living shit out of it

i guess cloak is nice

[tired citrus]

can definetely pre immune it and get less than 4

[cerulean nest]

unless you dodge everything

[slow marsh]

Unless your boomies are still nf

[radiant dirge]

We have 0 boomies 😂

[slow marsh]

2min usually don't line up for downstairs though except for last one but that's 20% so not worth using

[radiant dirge]

I don’t even know what happens up top, never seen it live

[slow marsh]

Perfect sin cleave

[radiant dirge]

Literally sends all melee downstairs

[slow marsh]

It's 3t cleave upstairs

[radiant dirge]

Omg!!

[slow marsh]

With random stuff going on

[radiant dirge]

Dots galore

[slow marsh]

Yeah our dh usually gets to stay up for pad

[fallen arch]

I’m gonna stay up for pad this week

Also never seen what happens upstairs

May or may not go rogue for once

[proper mango]

is there any source that shows a optimization of when the best timings on SOD bosses are to use your cd's ?

[slow marsh]

Not really

But it's just on cd

[proper mango]

well usually yes, but you want to align a few things dont ya.

[slow marsh]

We aren't like other classes who can afford to hold

Unless it's like hero is coming up for sylvanas p3

[cobalt pelican]

usually that's stuff you figure out for yourself based on how your guild does fights/kill timers etc

there won't be a universal answer

[proper mango]

i usually open with all i have Vendetta -->Flag-->Trinket (salvaged) -->Shiv --> Vanish

in terms of cds

[pale plank]

i will only hold for like 1 sec max right before shiv for some energy

[slow marsh]

Kill time is the biggest variable

[proper mango]

but i apply my bleeds first and do a 1 cp slice&dice

then i'd use my cds

[slow marsh]

Do slice first

Then bleed

[proper mango]

whats the upside?

[slow marsh]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[fallen arch]

Check the openers

[slow marsh]

Suggest you read wowhead openers

[fallen arch]

^

[pale plank]

Mut SnD Mut garrota flagellation rupture vendetta shiv vanish mut and do the rest

[proper mango]

but i would like to know why a slice with more than 1 cp isnt a waste of cp's?

[slow marsh]

Because you don't open with garrote

[pale plank]

you open with mutilate

[proper mango]

yeah but i could open with mut --> rupture --> garote --> Slice

[slow marsh]

And lose dps sure

[cobalt pelican]

you have 50% bonus crit on your first 3 gcds

why would you use 2 of them on non-critting bleed applications

[slow marsh]

And you're wasting cp anyways by not mut again in ma window

[cobalt pelican]

read your spells

trust the guide

[pale plank]

just a heads up that most of your damage comes from your auto attacks not you bleeds

[cerulean nest]

so fusion amp outperforming shadowgrasp huh?

[slow marsh]

Yeah

It's lower cd

[proper mango]

yes iceblades but you dont double mut in MA when you hit 4 cp

[slow marsh]

You do

Mut

Slice

Mut

[pale plank]

^

[fallen arch]

No you envenom

And you envenom in the ma buff

[proper mango]

at opening?

[fallen arch]

No with vanish

So

[proper mango]

yes

that is obvious

[slow marsh]

How about this

Go to your logs

[fallen arch]

You open with mut-snd-mut-garr-flag-rup-shiv-vend-vanish

[slow marsh]

Tell me what does more dmg rupture or melee

[pale plank]

trizzler this is an Example of my dmg profile with BS/DS

[proper mango]

yes melees

[fallen arch]

Dont waste your ma window on garr and rup

Its as simple as that

[slow marsh]

So why wouldn't you slice first

[proper mango]

ok i gotcha now. thanks for the laid out explanation

[zinc frost]

Big brain double garrote instead /s

[slow marsh]

😆

[proper mango]

its on cd :x

[oak sky]

Slice is the best finisher for dps im pretty sure so you want that shit up asap

[fallen arch]

With Infexious powered subterfuge sure

Wasn’t he the one that said to run subt for sod

[slow marsh]

Who knows

[fallen arch]

For some non apparent reason

[slow marsh]

He tried to take credit for my build that I still can't play

[zinc frost]

Who knows, he’s king at baiting newbies that’s all I know.

Overuses the word crispy too, I don’t like that word now

[scenic root]

Crispy is moist

[fallen arch]

CRAISPAY

You mean?

Shat

[olive edge]

scottish accent intensifies

[red bloom]

34% crit is a must

[harsh lantern]

50

[spice spire]

[pale plank]

lmao 34%?

[alpine latch]

If you're not 99% crit you're clearly not trying

[spice spire]

People too new for the 34 meme

[red bloom]

sad

top tier back in the day

[pale plank]

fill me in

[alpine latch]

title of your sex tape

[spice spire]

Essentially the “only build for sin” was exsanguinate haste stacking but you had to have exactly 34 % crit

[zinc frost]

Wish I forgot that video

[spice spire]

Wish I forgot infexious tbh

[zinc frost]

Good luck he’s brought up hourly around here 🤣

[north pecan]

Is he a meme here or something? Never heard of the chap

Some one give me TL;DR

[harsh lantern]

clickbait rogue content creator

[spice spire]

He’s a decent rogue player that RPs as a theory crafter. A lot of clickbait fried takes for views

Spreads a bit of misinformation

[north pecan]

Gotcha, thanks

feelcraft stuff?

[spice spire]

Like a lot of “was frost nerfed?” Had come up as a result of his videos

Yes

[radiant dirge]

Crispayyy clickbait

[red bloom]

reads the disc, regurgitates it on youtube as a bigbrain

[zinc frost]

Lurks a lot here “look at this new build I come up with”

[fallen arch]

44

[spice spire]

Young rogues missing lore

[fallen arch]

Roguelore

[spice spire]

Rogue meme lore

[red bloom]

rogues have other lore?

[spice spire]

True

[fallen arch]

Afaik

Valeera is the only significant rogue lore character

But what do I know

[spice spire]

Wait there’s lore in the game we play?

[carmine dawn]

My rogue lore is seeing vel in game and getting /spit on

[harsh lantern]

thanos won

[tame coyote]

whats the best m+ legendary as venth assa? 🙂

im playing with obe and thinking to craft r6 zoldyck

[spice spire]

Either Zoldyck’s or obedience. Both are very good

[pale plank]

zoldyck or obe

[spice spire]

Very good being a loose term

[fallen arch]

Very good would be playing sub or pirate

[spice spire]

But one of those two. Seli shot down my deathspike dream

[spice spire]

I’m a 10k gamer

[fallen arch]

Still gonna craft it this week tho

[spice spire]

Playing alliance PepeLaff

[pale plank]

thats why i just roll with dashing, get one 15 and i am out

[fallen arch]

Casual

[near girder]

i run doomblade

[fallen arch]

1 fifteen a week

[alpine latch]

Valeera, Garona, the Van Cleefs, Elling Trias, Mathias Shaw, Tess Greymane, Alexi Barov, Lord Raveholdt, Marin Noggenfogger ... There are a LOT of significant lore characters.

[pale plank]

[marble hemlock]

shun the nonbelievers

[subtle tundra]

assa bis

[spice spire]

[marble hemlock]

bad spec btw

[slow marsh]

very bad spec

[spice spire]

That was a boost right?

[pale plank]

god damn

[marble hemlock]

mhye

sanguini

[spice spire]

Okay thank fuck

[marble hemlock]

assa is stonks when you chainpull a lot

[spice spire]

Holy fuck tho I’m proud of 10ks and you’re just casually doing 13

Almost 14 what the fuck seli

[marble hemlock]

gotta keep in mind its inflated tho

[slow marsh]

sanguinie jars op

[marble hemlock]

cuz no burst AoE blasting certain pulls

[subtle tundra]

nah its good tank

[spice spire]

Ahhh true

[subtle tundra]

good urns

[spice spire]

Ele shaman cucking my damage

[marble hemlock]

if you have a boomie or mage dropping 60k on the bigger pulls

your overall gonna be worse ye

[spice spire]

Still beat him overall though

[marble hemlock]

but still, if youre not doing atleast 10k, youre doing something wrong. and outlaw/sub arent really better at that point

[spice spire]

But for how long

On mine, not yours

[pale plank]

you running zoldyck?

[marble hemlock]

ye

it is the way

[subtle tundra]

obedience better

[fallen arch]

No

[marble hemlock]

no

[subtle tundra]

yes

idc

about your

opinions

[marble hemlock]

cant beat zoldyck on sustained aoe, sadly

[fallen arch]

Necro>venthyr

[marble hemlock]

and yeah, necro is stronger than venthyr anyway, so no obe

[spice spire]

Raid venthyr still king, but god damn fixed sbs is

[marble hemlock]

ehhh

i dont really feel like venthyr

[fallen arch]

Idk about all that

[marble hemlock]

is so much better in raid either

[fallen arch]

On Guardian ye sure

[spice spire]

I think it still is, especially for your pure ST fights. But I’m a Necrolord enjoyer still

[marble hemlock]

ye but on guardian you wanna play sub anyway

[spice spire]

Feels really good on the nine especially

[marble hemlock]

for assa necro just seems kinda even

in raids

[subtle tundra]

no important ST fights this tier

[alpine latch]

Guardian, but that's about it

[subtle tundra]

not a dps check

[alpine latch]

And Guardian isn't that hard of a DPS check honestly

[fallen arch]

Tell that to my raid team 😂

[spice spire]

I was about to say, guardian definitely a dps chexk

[subtle tundra]

nah

[fallen arch]

Eh yes

[spice spire]

Most have just outgeared at this point

[fallen arch]

Where you gonna go

After last pylon

[spice spire]

It’s low tuned as well

Not near the wall of stone boy

[fallen arch]

That’s another story

[alpine latch]

Our first Guardian kill we only got because me and another rogue popped cloak

lol

[fallen arch]

You cant drag that fight out

There’s no way

[pale plank]

yesterday on the nine, i switch my talents from BS/DS to EL/Vigor to make it easier to keep rupture up for both targets, but man i think that was a mistake. i was getting so much energy back that i coudlnt use it in time. plus my group blasted through them like no tomorrow

[spice spire]

Just take double purge

[fallen arch]

It’s still better

[subtle tundra]

if your raid doesnt have enough dps on guardian, then they didnt gear for shit

[fallen arch]

Oh ye sure

But that doesn’t mean it’s no dps check

It’s just poorly tuned

[pale plank]

really? cuz man i felt like i had too much energy

i mean i did parse a 90 for my ilvl

[spice spire]

Ilvl parsing

[fallen arch]

Which dooesnt mean much

[alpine latch]

My only 90% parse is a 93% and it's on Tarragrue 😢

[tired vessel]

Imagine being annoyed with too much energy.

[spice spire]

But yeah you get used to energy. Just send stuff on CD

[alpine latch]

Throw them daggers son

[fallen arch]

It should feel good dude

To make use of every global

[spice spire]

Sin very slow without extra ruptures so I welcome it

[tired vessel]

Yeh its definitely a little on the low apm...especially when compared to our other 2 spec options

Even then though; there are some slower specs in the game fosho.

[harsh lantern]

could play feral

😴

[pale plank]

sin > feral

just saying

[harsh lantern]

feral just lower apm

[harsh lantern]

Eh pretty close actually

Seems like you spend like 40% of your time just waiting on feral

[fallen arch]

If that graph is true

Then why do I always hit top 3 in apm in my raid?

[slow marsh]

cuz mut counts for 2 per

[alpine garden]

Everyone playing ep/vig all the time it seems

[civic trellis]

That's false

Not even close for rogues

Outlaw apm is usually at 90

[fallen arch]

In raid too?

[proper mango]

You prefere Phantom Fire potion or Spectral Agility?

[harsh lantern]

zoomer spec

[civic trellis]

Yes

[harsh lantern]

Depends on weapon enchant I guess but think the difference is minimal

just use phantom fire if you got oil on

[scenic root]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[proper mango]

thx

[wispy night]

Our shadow in raid has 96 APM

Not 55

[drowsy parcel]

are you going from logs?

logs count differently

apparition procs counts as 2 actions

every mutilate cast counts as 2 actions

broadsides proc on outlaw counts as an extra action

that apm chart is fairly accurate

[tired vessel]

Yeh I cant math any way that normally outlaw is doing 1.5 actions every 2 seconds in ST 🤷‍♂️

[lavish lichen]

That counts shadowy apparitions which aren’t actions

[bleak sky]

looking at that apm chart all I can think is

why can I play havoc comfortably but suck at outlaw?

[cursive silo]

0.7s gcd 40% of the fight

[lavish lichen]

Not all abilities are on GCD

[cursive silo]

Yea thats tru too

[burnt star]

Also for rogue. The wowlog apm count combo point generation as an action

[tired vessel]

Mfd, AR. Potions...math still not adding up.

[burnt star]

Even celestial guidance/sinful are counted

[cursive silo]

How

[burnt star]

Dh vengeance count every soul generated by fracture as an a.p.m

Priest counts every apparation

[cursive silo]

Yea but not on the sim

Only on logs

[burnt star]

Only raidbot sim show real apm

Otherwise u need to filter manually in wowlog

[spice spire]

Manually filtering for APM

[visual prairie]

my details views are just APM and JumpsPM

[tired vessel]

Thinking priests click 96 abilities a minute

[visual prairie]

damage shmamage

[gusty mirage]

A fellow cultured gamer

[delicate berry]

Is iqd any good for sin? Doesn't really line up with cds

[shut flame]

@fleet anchor , you mentioned some mnemonic equipment bug, what is that?

[cursive silo]

If it sims better its better (as long as you get stats twice) and i think youd probably delay it ?

[bleak sky]

sims good = good

[delicate berry]

I did Sim it just was negligible increase

But my gear is still pretty bad so taking what I can atm

[flat kiln]

I think with iqd there is some leniency on sim good = good. If it's close, don't use iqd.

[cursive silo]

If its negligible don’t use it especially with bad healers/tonks

[bleak sky]

oh yeah for sure

you get 1 good use always + 1 MAYBE HORRIBLE use

mana procs

[visual prairie]

good in dungeons

[delicate berry]

Ok 👌 cause my other trink was agi...on use lots of haste

That it was negligible against

Forget the name of it already

[fleet anchor]

It doesn't capture all of the damage because it doesn't work on background spells

Similar to the early Frost bugs

For us it isn't that big of a deal because it's already low value, I think it's -0.4%

More annoying that they haven't fixed it than impactful 😛

[shut flame]

Sounds so, indeed. ME is a total meh

[scenic root]

Can you add legendaries into the gear compare? Can't find dashing scoundrel in the list, what is it named as?

[alpine latch]

Probably? Normally you'd just add them in Top Gear

[vestal wren]

just do so in top gear

it has a option for that

[agile geode]

Guys do you think Is worth to play necro sin for last 5 raid bosses?

Or should i swap venthyr?

[scenic root]

I'm not on my PC right now, so don't have my simc profile to do top gear. Just wanted to see some comparison of Legos with frost set on my toon

[alpine latch]

You can play either and still perform well

[alpine latch]

For what it's worth, Doomblade, Obedience, and Dashing are within like 53 DPS of each other for me.

[scenic root]

I have obedience but with verse for sub, so will make either dashing or doomblade, cause my haste is lower than verse right now. Got some really good neck/ring that are both crit/verse but my haste is super low now. Want to make one to help my haste up some.

[oak sky]

definitely would recommend making dashing over doomblade

even if at your current gear it isnt that much better it will pull ahead at some point

[alpine latch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vYHGo27qpr8yfFp5n6j7FA

Okay, I lied @scenic root - they are within 37 DPS for me.

I thought it was higher

[jaunty kayak]

anyone else simming 252 + 249 sylv dagger higher than 2x hc sylv dagger? (i forgot how the comparison between all the combinations looked like :( )

[oak sky]

its probably because mh dps is really strong

[unreal epoch]

if I have both phial and guardian trinket should i still be going after shadowgrasp totem?

[scenic root]

I got my shoulders last night, so hopefully I'll get my last socket from weekly m+ quest. Or if I can finish out normal/heroic raid this weekend. My rogue is my alt now, so been slow going and still have doom on shoulders. Need to craft new Lego asap lmao

[alpine latch]

That makes sense, yeah. For me a 252 PF dagger is ~100 dps higher than a 246 PF dagger. The top end of the dagger is huge.

It's a simple check - run a +12 GV and a +15 GV and compare the top dagger to see the DPS difference

[jaunty kayak]

mhm.. i thought that the a bit lower ilvl of the sylv dagger in mh would beat out the "raw dps" of a generic 252 dagger in mh

[oak sky]

on sub i think it does

[alpine latch]

^

[oak sky]

just on sin the effect isnt quite as impactful

its still really strong

[alpine latch]

I believe sub is heroic EoN > 252 MH, but Sin is 252 MH > heroic EoN

[oak sky]

but in offhand 246 edge is better than 252 for sin as well

[civic trellis]

even 233 i would say

[oak sky]

maybe offhand

[alpine latch]

Not sure, I don't have any EoN or 252 daggers to test it against 🙂

[jaunty kayak]

true, i mean .. the difference is just ~40 dps :D but was surprised either way that its lower.. a tiny bit.. but lower

cheers for the responses y'all ^^

[scenic root]

EoN gets the bonus dmg from subs conduit, which makes it better than 252

[ruby oyster]

You need to add base item and then apply legendary power, for example search for Grim-Veiled Cape and then you can pick dashing

[scenic root]

Thanks! I'll test it out

[civic trellis]

Oh is not, 233 is better than any weapon in any slot except 252 mh

for sub

at least for me

[spice spire]

Probably not - I think totem has to be 249+ to beat a 239 fusion amp last time I simmed.

Totem pretty good AoE tho

[oak sky]

i think for me a 246 totem outsimmed the 239 fusion amp

[shrewd helm]

How much crit is needed for the frost build? Do I need to swap Venthyr as well? Currently Necrolord

[harsh anchor]

I get +2 dps with heroic EON in OH. big wurf

[oak sky]

its not a specific crit number, you just sort of use it when it sims better for you @shrewd helm

[radiant dirge]

Just get 2 heroic EoN’s

Ezpz

[shrewd helm]

I’m running about 37%.

Trying to decide if I should swap Venthyr or stay Necro

[oak sky]

i think both venthyr and necro are good with frost set

venthyr just is more st damage

like a good amount more

[shrewd helm]

Yeah that’s why I’m considering the swap

[oak sky]

are you playing sin in raid or ?

[alpine latch]

Sin

I only play Sin

[oak sky]

im asking snoz

lol

[alpine latch]

Oh, my bad. lol

[oak sky]

i only play sin too

[alpine latch]

Didn't catch up to the convo 🙂

[oak sky]

nah ur good

[half tartan]

At work bad with acronyms EoN?

[shrewd helm]

Yes. Sorry boss called

[real bay]

phial club boys

[jaunty kayak]

edge of night (sylvanas dagger)

[shrewd helm]

If sub is viable I like to play it as well

I’m familiar with all three and play all three depending on situation.

[oak sky]

in a key

prob go venth

if sub and sin

im in key

[rancid spade]

im necrolord with doomblade and unholy sims more than frost for me anyone could know why?

[winter vapor]

Aside from Soulrender, and maybe KT/Sylv, everyones going PB over CT for fights right? (Necro with doomblade atm, Heroic only)

[civic trellis]

the nine

[oak sky]

fucking healer left man

[wintry mica]

lot of people run CT on fatescribe

[oak sky]

ct isnt that good on the nine though

i feel like

its an st fight

though there is some movement in there

[wintry mica]

yea I dont use CT for nine

you spend a lot more of the fight doing ST

[oak sky]

plus p1 is trivial anyway

[wintry mica]

yea it probably doesnt make much of difference either way

[oak sky]

you almost definitely do more damage with pb

[wintry mica]

yea

only 12 out of top 100 mythic ran CT

[spice spire]

I ran CT/subt week one

Realized it was definitely not the play

[wintry mica]

ew

lol

[oak sky]

subt in raid

[spice spire]

I thought p1 with two adds would be longer

It was not

[wintry mica]

yea they die pretty quick lol

even then, 2 targets i would think MA would be better

[spice spire]

Subt is good for constant 2T

[wintry mica]

makes sense

[spice spire]

On altimore was 100% the play imo.

Nine definitely not

[wintry mica]

if your team has bad add damage you could maybe make it work on soulrender lol

[oak sky]

oh yeah there was that wack mfd subterfuge build

[spice spire]

[wintry mica]

why MFD with subt?

[oak sky]

no idea

[spice spire]

The SNIPES

[wintry mica]

I guess

best case scenario you are getting 4 snipes every couple of minutes

[spice spire]

Huge

[wintry mica]

I was still meaning to try the MA nightstalker MFD build for m+

[oak sky]

i think thats good if stuff dies fast

[wintry mica]

starting every pull with a big ole CT sounds fun

[oak sky]

i had a key last night where almost every pack died before ct fell off

juiced enhance and shadow priest

the prot warrior was out dpsing me in mega pulls

[wintry mica]

lol

[oak sky]

i couldnt do shit

[wintry mica]

our venth boomy was running as tank and almost beat me on some pulls

[oak sky]

just go higher keys

[wintry mica]

frenzy+incarn spam is nutty

[oak sky]

he'll still beat you but you'll actually do damage

100k ramp vs actual 20k assassination aoe

[wintry mica]

yea I was with an arcane mage and an arms warrior and they were killing shit too quick

[spice spire]

Thrash spam

[oak sky]

incarn go brrrrrr

[wintry mica]

should i make celerity next so I can start doing outlaw keys or just upgrade zoldyck

[harsh lantern]

just spend a day running torgy get all the r4s u want

I got all the capes

[wintry mica]

yea, i hate that though

i turned all my alts into soul ash farmers

still so bored of torg at this point

[harsh lantern]

ye another cringe system

[wintry mica]

its crazy how competitve our leggos are at least, but it makes it hard to choose lol

[harsh lantern]

Also nice some of the good ones are cape at least

[wintry mica]

yea I dont even have everything and I have like 4 capes lol

[harsh lantern]

Same haha

[oak sky]

theres like 4 cape leggos

[harsh lantern]

I got my blank 262 ready for dashing

db 262 collecting dust

[wintry mica]

ive got the cinders right now but I cant decide what to upgrade

[harsh lantern]

235 dashing does better than 262 db for me

[wintry mica]

obe dashing and doomblade at 235 all sim really close

[harsh lantern]

just bag ilvl pad for now xd

[oak sky]

i still run doomblade bc my dashing isnt 262 yet

[wintry mica]

theres a lot of people still running doomblade on logs

[harsh lantern]

I run 235 dashin I got 262 doomblade

Dmg is the same for my kills in my experience

But I’m casual trash

[oak sky]

235 dashing sims lower for me

[harsh lantern]

What’s ur crit

[oak sky]

27%

cant find any

[harsh lantern]

I’m like 44 unbuffed

Prolly why

[oak sky]

yeah

[wintry mica]

yea 27 is pretty low

even at 40% they are still pretty close

usually it depends on which conduits

for me at least

[harsh lantern]

for my crit 235 dashing beats 262 db

With venthyr

next week I’ll have max rank frost and 262 dashing

Boutta be juiced

[wintry mica]

i wasted too many on unholy set and the 2 dps gems

i need 100 more embers for r5 still

[oak sky]

i need money and another week of cinders

[harsh lantern]

I just stocked up embers when everyone had uh set I had no dom slots till I got frost gems lmao

Now I just need the gloves for all my slots filled

[tired vessel]

Dashing doesnt become better for me till rank 5 frost

[limber lion]

11k sim next week with r5 frost 💃

[oak sky]

[gusty mirage]

This man is actually transcending

You love to see it

[frigid kestrel]

Ok so

Normal Sylvie - No Dagger

Heroic Sylvie - No Dagger

Keeping hopes alive with getting it in the weekly quests and then my Tuesday vault

[harsh lantern]

Edge of Next Week

[distant mist]

Those daggers don’t exist 😦

[tired vessel]

Cant get daggy from weekly quest

[radiant dirge]

Dagger dropped week 1 haven’t seen it since and never in vaut

[harsh lantern]

Just gotta run the 2/3/9 H with all rogues

[radiant dirge]

😂😂

[oak sky]

split runs

[harsh lantern]

I got 252/246 no sylv dagger

I’m okay for now

When it drops it drops

[oak sky]

252/239

[harsh lantern]

1.4% I’ll live

I want the phial more than dagger rn xd

pF makes me sick

I got the nine mount first week so my rng is used up

[strange python]

can you clear platforms on sylvanas with cloak ?

the black shit on the ground

[viscid spear]

I had horrible luck this week so I'm hoping it's good next week

[harsh lantern]

just gotta make it thru the week.

[viscid spear]

I was the guy that opened the Vault while in Outlaw loot spec and then got a duplicate piece from the weekly cache. Hoping it gets better.

[harsh lantern]

Dw bro I’ve been hit with current equipped 3 weeks in a row

[oak sky]

i feel like ive been pretty lucky tbh

[burnt star]

Neither me or my fellow guildie rogue has seen heroic dagger in drop or vault since week 2. :(

[harsh lantern]

is dagger even that big for us

[burnt star]

We still rocking 242 dagger cause no luck in vault either

140 dps upgrade

[harsh lantern]

heroic sim shows 1%

[burnt star]

Right now

[harsh lantern]

Sadge

[oak sky]

its like clearly bis but not game breaking insane