assassination

[alpine latch]

If he's just wanting to fuck around in alt runs, who cares

Just run whatever and call it a day

[meager mountain]

Alt raids so mostly just heroic for now. I only care about doing big ST damage and ignoring mechanics 🙂

But the info you gave me is what i was looking for

so thank u

[alpine latch]

Perfect, run frost. Obe/Dashing/Doomblade are all perfectly fine

Obedience has been within 50 DPS of Doomblade for me since the start

And Dashing is only like 25 DPS better than Obedience for me as of my current gear set

[meager mountain]

I have dashing

only

thats ok right?

[alpine latch]

Dashing only takes over once you hit r4 frost and have like 35% crit

[meager mountain]

for heroic alt

[kind talon]

yes thats fine brother

[meager mountain]

okay thanks

[alpine latch]

You'll be behind what Obe/Doomblade would offer you now - but that's the late game pick

And by "behind" I mean minimally behind

[kind talon]

they are all pretty close

[alpine latch]

Yeah, super close

[kind talon]

at all levels of gear pretty much

so as long as u have 1

ur fine

[alpine latch]

If you sim all 3 it's probably around 100 DPS variance between all 3 of them

You have bigger variances between races than the legendary choice

[meager mountain]

alright sounds gucci

thank u

[alpine latch]

Btw

[meager mountain]

time to run a normal raid pug to get last frost shard

;p

[alpine latch]

Learn where Shadowstep takes you on the Eye

It ALWAYS takes you to the same spot

[meager mountain]

wont it kill me

lol

[alpine latch]

That's the biggest "are you fucking kidding me" for the tier for me

I died thinking I'd be on the other side because it dropped me on top of the beam

Die once, then never again

[meager mountain]

hehe

learn the hard way

[alpine latch]

Always

GLman - hope you enjoy the rogue.

[meager mountain]

thank u sir

[west geode]

30% crit unbuffed crit, rank 5 frost, and Dashing and still Sims 117 dps less then 30% crit rank 5 unholy, and doom. I have to be doing sims wrong... or is my crit just too low?

[obtuse robin]

ur ilvl?

[west geode]

239

[obtuse robin]

u need more crit

[west geode]

i figured

so by the time i get the crit ill have enough embers again )

[fallen arch]

How does frost + doom sim?

For Tyious I mean

[safe rover]

to swap from 4/5 unholy to 4/5 frost is simming 1% dps, but going from 4 to 5/5 unholy is simming 2.2%. just seems like too much effort to swap if youre committed down one path

surely there isnt actually much difference in the 2 in actual gameplay

[cedar star]

Your crit is 5-10% below where most of us are

I bet if you simmed stat weights, crit would be like 3.5

Crit was over 3.0 for me until hit 40%

The helm from Fatescribe was worth like…. 120 dps just based of crit

[arctic hare]

Thats nuts

I don't think i've gotten to the point where crit is a better stat for me

Its not

haste is highest by like, 0.2 and vers is slightly higher by 0.02

[west geode]

just ran stat weights and it puts vers at 2.34 and crit at 2.26 but thats with my current doom/unholy

[arctic hare]

Spec=Assassination, Agility=3.92, CritRating=1.86, HasteRating=2.14, MasteryRating=1.75, Versatility=1.88, Dps=19.36, OffHandDps=2.45 )

Tasty stat weights

[cedar star]

Yea, now sim it with dashing and frost gems

[arctic hare]

Oh

I don't have either

[cedar star]

Well there you go

[arctic hare]

Well, I do have 2 frost gems, but I focused on Unholy because thats what I ended up getting first

my crit is almost 37% though

[cedar star]

You are getting haste/crit/Vers because that’s what unholy prefers

Crit is only insane like that for frost

[arctic hare]

Oh, hmm

[wintry mica]

i dont really like statweights but I can run one with my r4 frost and dashing if you want

to see the difference

[arctic hare]

Which one do I do, top gear?

[wintry mica]

yea you should just stick to top gear

[cedar star]

I don’t live by stat weights, but I sometimes use them as a helpful idea

[wintry mica]

stat weights have the issue that as soon as one gear piece changes the stat weights change again

[cedar star]

Top gear is vastly superior

I should have stipulated that before hand

[balmy condor]

Oh god

[safe rover]

for those that play frost over unholy, is it nicer to play with by not having the rng around getting 15 stacks aligned with CDs?

[balmy condor]

Why do I open the channel

And see pawn strings

[arctic hare]

Lol

[balmy condor]

Haven’t I beat you guys enough

[arctic hare]

I was just showing my statweights at ilvl 229

[cedar star]

Now I’m regretful I ever mentioned stat weight, I was assuming people would use their brain and not live by them

[arctic hare]

I'm actually simming myself with slightly different gear than I have

[wintry mica]

its consistent, but you also never get the moments where you have chaos bane during vendetta

[arctic hare]

I tend to ignore them

[wintry mica]

frost is also better for prog imo because of the defensive gems

[arctic hare]

Hmm, that makes sense

okay, simming now

[safe rover]

this and for mythic prog is really pushing me to make the jump, even at a rank 3

[arctic hare]

I simmed my future gems at the same rank that i have my unholy gems at rn

[balmy condor]

I still wholeheartedly believe with every fiber of my being

[wintry mica]

yea too many fights have times where chaos bane can be wasted imo

[balmy condor]

That Raidbots should remove stat weights

[arctic hare]

Just to check out what ends up happening

[balmy condor]

Completely

[west geode]

think ill just make my next leggo zolds and not dashing, unless dashing and frost is better in m+

[wintry mica]

yea there isnt really ever a reason to use it over top gear or droptimizer

[safe rover]

the pain of getting chaos bane and youre running about is so sad

[balmy condor]

There’s no reason to even consider it honestly

[cedar star]

You wouldn’t be wrong

[balmy condor]

Like even simming it

Is just a waste of time

[wintry mica]

we were doing our alt normal run and painsmith had both of my procs during intermission

[west geode]

on a side note how many stygia embers do a week?

[arctic hare]

I think this might be the biggest sim I've ever done lol

[wintry mica]

sims are out of control this tier

[cedar star]

I can’t wait to see the first guild that has every player go r5 blood

[arctic hare]

Figured it out

[wintry mica]

even with 16M you cant sim everything

[arctic hare]

its 54 higher at the same rank

[cedar star]

20 people with r5 blood would be hilarious

[safe rover]

its when youre at 10 stacks and a big movement is coming up and you start stacking fast

[wintry mica]

someone did the math pre buff

[safe rover]

panic panic panic

[wintry mica]

that a full 20 blood sets = about 10k hps

i dont remember if that was r5 or not though

[balmy condor]

It’s looking closer to 16k from my logs

At rank 4

[wintry mica]

yea 800hps sounds about right per person

[balmy condor]

Our hunter is getting almost 900 Hps from it

Rank 5 probably 1k

[arctic hare]

800 hps, that ain't too bad

[balmy condor]

So yeh

[wintry mica]

yea crazy that blood is competitive or beats unholy for some specs

[balmy condor]

It’s a lot

[hollow river]

I’m getting about 900 hps with rank 4 frost

[cedar star]

The overheal also gets splashed to people around you

So it’s never wasted

[balmy condor]

Yeh but that’s just absorbs

[hollow river]

Isn’t that just as good?

[balmy condor]

20 people with blood set would basically become a permanent mini spirit link

[wintry mica]

if it absorbs damage its good

[arctic hare]

That would actually be stupid powerful wouldn't it?

[wintry mica]

yea like unironically

[balmy condor]

It’s pretty good yeah

[wintry mica]

if you are struggling end of tier 20 bloodsets is probably the way to go to finish out CE

[arctic hare]

I mean, you could literally survive difficult mechanics

Maybe not one shots, but still

[wintry mica]

you basically have a free healer or 2 worth of passive hps

[arctic hare]

Whew

[obtuse robin]

man just add a vendor to refund embers

ffs

[lavish lichen]

You don’t really bring extra healers for HPS, you bring them for CDs

[cedar star]

Imagine if RWF had access to that lmao. I want to see someone do a 1 healer Sylvanas

Or 2 heal Sylvanas

[wintry mica]

I bet they add that shit in like another month or 2

[lavish lichen]

They wouldn’t

[wintry mica]

when anyone thats actually raiding doesnt need it anymore

[obtuse robin]

if it happens it has to be soon

[balmy condor]

We have 3 blood links, one rank 4 on a hunter and 2 rank 3’s on a tank and me

And it did 2700 hps averaged across our 3 hours of soulrender prog yesterday

[arctic hare]

Thats not terrible

[wintry mica]

like all together 2700?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[obtuse robin]

with or without theo

[balmy condor]

?

That’s just bloodlink

[obtuse robin]

o right

dam

[arctic hare]

So if it were the entire raid, it'd probably end up being quite a bit more

[wintry mica]

yea its like 700-800 per person at r4 it looks like

which is pretty crazy

[balmy condor]

Well let’s say 18 people used it, it would be 6 times more

Which would be 16k hps

[frigid pilot]

@balmy condor do u prefer blindside and deeper stratagem or vigor and elaborate planning in raid

[balmy condor]

Would unironically replace 2 healers

[balmy condor]

Ep

[arctic hare]

Lol, thats funny

[nimble tartan]

my blood link had me healin 2k hps on fights

sick af

[arctic hare]

not to mention doesn't it do relatively good dmg?

[nimble tartan]

with token

[wintry mica]

everyone basically says to only use bs/ds on guardian, but im not really sure why

[nimble tartan]

im a healer now

[balmy condor]

Because it’s the only pure single target fight

[cedar star]

I prefer BS/DS :/

[balmy condor]

And bs/deeper is better in single target

[frigid pilot]

im def not a fan of bs and ds

[balmy condor]

Then don’t use it I guess

[oak sky]

blindside feels great imo

[wintry mica]

yea but vigor is so comfy

[cedar star]

I like that BS gives me a proc 😦

[balmy condor]

No ones holding a gun to your head telling you to run bs

[frigid pilot]

amen raymuss

but i will try on gaurdian tonight for fun

[oak sky]

so we just run bs/vigor

[cedar star]

I like the excitement of have a glowy button to push

[balmy condor]

Do it

So I parse better

[wintry mica]

I actually dont think ive ever even simmed bs/vig lol

[indigo valley]

Is it possible to sim the frost set if you dont have a shoulder piece for the set bonus yet?

[balmy condor]

Gear compare

[wintry mica]

or manually add a shoulder to your simc string

[indigo valley]

oh thank you so much

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

i couldnt outparse you anyway whispyr you're safe

plus you play sub rn right?

[wintry mica]

i feel like im cursed with how often I get a 2cp mut during the stealth window

[gusty mirage]

you're the one making my parses look worse?!

[oak sky]

hm?

[gusty mirage]

idk

[oak sky]

i havent done mythic yet so you guys are REALLY safe

[wintry mica]

that emote makes me miss when exsang was actually decent

[gusty mirage]

all my homies hate exsang

[wintry mica]

but the dps during the opener was so tasty back when it was not a troll talent

[mint narwhal]

quick question here , do you pop Fusion trinket with vendetta . like macro . or before /after

[obtuse robin]

on cd

[mint narwhal]

right now im using it macro to vendetta

on cd

so it will desync

[obtuse robin]

yea

[mint narwhal]

damn

[obtuse robin]

ven doesnt affect ur trinket

[mint narwhal]

i see

is there a particular moment in the opener to use it that is good

or just use it anytime

[gusty mirage]

just use it anytime

put that baby on CD always

[mint narwhal]

alrighty

[slow marsh]

Use it as you open

[obtuse robin]

it doesnt use gcd just press it

[slow marsh]

Trinket muti snd muti

[mint narwhal]

oh well that is nice

thx for the info

[obtuse robin]

the only one u might want to press at a certain time is iqd

[mint narwhal]

i see

[balmy condor]

Yeh damage trinkets aren’t affected by Jack shit

(As per #assassination-faq)

So you can really use them whenever

[mint narwhal]

alright thx

[icy ember]

hey on mythic guardians, is it possible to feint obliterate? or just cloak it all the time

i haven't done it yet, we just killed painsmith last night

[plain thistle]

obliterate is the tank mechanic that you need to soak?

[icy ember]

correct it needs to hit 4 people

[plain thistle]

you cloak

[brazen zodiac]

silly question is there a set number of embers you get per week? tried googling but its just telling me nonsense

[halcyon zealot]

you get 10 from shaping fate, i think it’s 10cfrom each torg wing?

and then it scales in raid, 2 on normal 3 on heroic 4 on mythic per boss

[brazen zodiac]

oh torghast gives embers too?

[drifting cloud]

no it doesnt

[halcyon zealot]

oh

not embers

fuck

the other currency

[brazen zodiac]

haha

[icy ember]

nah just the minibosses and bosses drop em, you need to loot em otherwise you're fucked for the week

[halcyon zealot]

week 8? still confused

[drifting cloud]

hc clear and wb with weekly is 51

[brazen zodiac]

if i full clear heroic can i clear norm too for em or

[halcyon zealot]

no

[icy ember]

nah it goes "up" the # of embers that drops

so normal drops 1, heroic drops 2-4, and mythic drops 5

or something like the above

[brazen zodiac]

ah so basically full clearing heroic will give you the amount?

[halcyon zealot]

i think lfr is 1 normal is 2 heroic is 3 mythic is 4

[loud light]

yes doing heroic will give you the normal + heroic embers

it's like 10 bosses + 5 named dudes

[arctic hare]

I wonder, can dashing scoundrel be used on other specs?

[gusty mirage]

I mean it can, but it won't do anything

[arctic hare]

why not?

[gusty mirage]

because it's tied to envenom

[arctic hare]

I mean, poisons generate 1 energy each?

They can still crit without envenom can't they?

[gusty mirage]

sure

[arctic hare]

so wouldn't they give extra energy, such as sub getting 1 energy every time their instant poison activates?

[balmy condor]

This is by far the dumbest conversation I have seen in a while

[arctic hare]

it is

but I'm mostly just curious cause I'm going to get it now

Since rank three frost set already sims higher than what I've got

[balmy condor]

I wouldn’t think it affects instant poison from sub/outlaw

[arctic hare]

It does say poisons, so

[balmy condor]

Well yes

[arctic hare]

I highly doubt I could test it though

since 1 energy is kinda negligible

[balmy condor]

It’s negligible on sin as well

But it’s even worse on the others

[arctic hare]

Yeouch

[balmy condor]

Cause the proc rate is like a quarter of what it is on sin

And also doesn’t have a dot attached

[arctic hare]

Oh wow

Thats kinda crappy

[balmy condor]

Well it would be shitty even if they were double the proc rate

[royal lantern]

1energy is

nothing

[balmy condor]

Cause a good 2/3rds of the legendary is just envenom damage

And they don’t even have envenom

[arctic hare]

So we only use it right now because of the crits?

[balmy condor]

So like what’s the fucking point

[royal lantern]

yes

[arctic hare]

Hmm, interesting

[balmy condor]

The energy from dashing is an afterthought

[royal lantern]

more crits=more frost set dmg

[balmy condor]

It’s like 1.5 mutilates every minute

[arctic hare]

it'd be kinda cool if it worked for bleeds as well

[arctic hare]

That hurts my soul

[balmy condor]

I mean what did you expect

[royal lantern]

its 1 energy lol

[arctic hare]

I want MORE energy lol

[balmy condor]

Then play outlaw

[arctic hare]

Yeah, thats a nope from my side

and sub is an offspec

[balmy condor]

Pisses me off that people always want sin faster

[drifting cloud]

play 8.3 private server

[balmy condor]

Why my slow spec slow

Smh

[bleak sky]

!bos

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[old halo]

energy overratted, got to run out all the time

[arctic hare]

I don't want it much faster, just fast enough to where we don't have to wait 5 seconds to cast

[royal lantern]

but spamming mut->envenom 2x more bettwen shiv windows would make the spec more fun?????ßßß???

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to do that

[arctic hare]

I've, had that problem once lol

[balmy condor]

No you haven’t

[arctic hare]

What about when I didn't use my bleeds one time?

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

Exactly lol

happened once and only once

[bleak sky]

since it's not on book of shadows: is evasion good for anything on nerzhul?

[balmy condor]

No

[bleak sky]

ty king ❤️

[balmy condor]

I mean literally ignoring the core spec mechanic, yes, you would have to wait

But sin right now

[arctic hare]

Yeah.... I regretted that

[balmy condor]

Is just as fast, if not faster than it was at any point outside of 8.3

[arctic hare]

Seriously?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[arctic hare]

Wait, what was it like back in 8.3?

[drifting cloud]

120% haste

[balmy condor]

Energy capped

With 120% haste

[arctic hare]

constantly/

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[arctic hare]

jeez

thats nuts lol

[balmy condor]

It felt awful but it made exsang viable so people loved it I guess

[arctic hare]

idk about that speed

[royal lantern]

honestly

evasion is ussules 99%of the time

[balmy condor]

But you would look at logs and it would overcap like 35% energy

[royal lantern]

like, there is like 1 raidfight trought out an expac where evasion does something lol

[arctic hare]

Used to main DH throughout bfa and legion, so my hands still remember the feeling of pure speed

35%, WHEW

[balmy condor]

Just cause it couldn’t stop itself from overcapping

[arctic hare]

were you GCD locked?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[arctic hare]

gross

[cobalt pelican]

evasion good on tarragrue if oyu get chain and if you're scared on painsmith and umm

to tank p2 sylvanas ads on heroic cause your tank got lost

[drifting cloud]

the run out bubble on 9

[royal lantern]

i mean, rogue is almost always last place on the threat meter anyway

wich makes it even worse for "emrgency tanking" cus you are the last guy that gets hit

[arctic hare]

Yeah... that'd be bad lol

[cobalt pelican]

the bug is still in the game that makes dance drop threat which is funny

[arctic hare]

Wait, thats a thing rn?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[arctic hare]

thats, actually epic

[balmy condor]

It’s been a thing

Since legion

[arctic hare]

never knew about it

[balmy condor]

Sub rogue couldnt grab aggro if they tried

[arctic hare]

I really ought to get better at sub tbh

[balmy condor]

its fun but not needed tbh

[arctic hare]

I mostly mean for M+

I kinda have a bit more fun playing sub in M+, but can't do like, any dps without shuriken tornado

So I've been maining sin, which is still plenty of fun once all the bleeds are up

[shy dust]

Yes you can

You just get attacked when dance runs out

[arctic hare]

oh boy, I'm doing LFR

[royal lantern]

maybe tell your tank to use abilitys and not just melee attack then

[limber lion]

@last summit

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[arctic hare]

Heh, reminds me of Feral...

[limber lion]

For example, if you have a garrote on the enemy and it has 3 seconds remaining, and you apply another garrote (which is 18s) on top, it'll now combine the two for a longer, 21s garrote (18+3)

[wintry mica]

the ring from PF is a pretty safe valor upgrade right?

[arctic walrus]

ye

[rain frigate]

so i went venthyr lol

[wintry mica]

welcome

[loud silo]

I once hit 500% haste in 8.3

[cerulean nest]

dot up both the guys on Nine before vendetta, or just unload on one?

[spice spire]

I dot up both personally - someone who's bigger brain than I can take over on that, but generally i open with rupt'ing both, after snd and then vendetta the thiccer one

[cerulean nest]

both feel awkward

i just dont know which is optimal

[woeful meteor]

2 Target Sim Ruptures the second target, after shiv on the first target runs out, so that should be the most optimal opener for The nine

[cerulean nest]

so complete unload on one then start dotting the second

[woeful meteor]

Yes

[cerulean nest]

fsho

[drowsy parcel]

you garrote second target even during shiv

its kinda clunky

[cerulean nest]

ill give it a try

[woeful meteor]

Dotting both and then using vendetta on one is probably the better way for a human to do it. The sim also alternates targets for mutilate which is definitely way to clunky in reality.

[cerulean nest]

I'm a bot so I should be fine

[oak sky]

i usually just rupture and garrote on the 2nd target after my 3rd global with vanish

not sure if thats right tho

[weak crescent]

where can i find the weak aura that shows when the winds of winter are going to go off ?

[drowsy parcel]

https://wago.io/AxF6CvQ79

[weak crescent]

thanks !

[royal lantern]

tbf, i dont see a reason to track them?

[woeful meteor]

It always hits your last crit target so you want to make sure the last target you crit is the boss in cleave

[arctic hare]

Utterly beautiful

Even though completely useless lol

[viscid spear]

He transcended space and time and was dpsing Zovaal

[arctic hare]

Lol, sounds about right

That moment when you buy a new lego and end up getting one that you can't even use

[viscid spear]

Was already on the last tier of Shadowlands with that much Haste

[loud silo]

nah it was pumper burst with exsang

[arctic hare]

Really? but wouldn't you be maxed out at .75 seconds of gcd?

[loud silo]

it wasnt for the gcd

[oak sky]

Poison tickrate i think

[arctic hare]

Wait

[loud silo]

exsang snapshots your haste

[arctic hare]

oh crap, poison tickrate

oh jesus

[loud silo]

it made your bleeds tick super hard

[oak sky]

Isnt energy static 1s gcd anyway

[viscid spear]

It was like a Fist of the North Star barrage of dagger strikes

[limber lion]

Why are so many logs using Elaborate Planning and Vigor, instead of Blindside and Deeper Stratagen like the sims suggest?:

This has come up time and time again during this tier, and I would like to remind you that we have answered it in #assassination-faq . However, due to the constant barrage of questions that come up regarding this particular topic, I'll attach a pin here for a week or two, referencing 9.1 scenarios specifically.

---

1. EP generally enjoys having multiple targets because more targets = more bleeds = more energy = more CP = more finishers = more uptime on EP
   BS is generally not great on multiple targets, it's a very single target heavy focused talent and doesn't benefit as much (if at all) from multiple targets.

2. EP/Vig is also better for movement and having to deal with mechanics and it's also generally is considered the combination that "feels better to play". It's a much more forgiving setup for most cases as well.

3. The talents go hand in hand for most cases, meaning you never play Blindside/Vigor and very rarely Elaborate Planning/Deeper Stratagem.

For some fights, EP/DS can actually pull ahead, but it "feels the worst" to play so a lot of people tend to not use it. It can be a valid choice for something like Kel'Thuzad or even Soulrender.

BS/DS is obviously very bad on Sylvanas, because the boss never hits 35% so you never get full value from Blindside's execute effect in P3, so we stick to EP/Vig for Sylvanas.

Generally we only see BS/DS being used on Guardian, use EP/Vig for everything else.

---

Again, sims are sims, the game is not a simulation and is full of moving variables. If you have better results with a different setup than the sim suggests, then stick to it. Please refer to #assassination-faq for future questions, as most likely your most burning questions have already been answered there.

[arctic hare]

Fist of the north star?

[viscid spear]

"Omae wu, shinderu"

RATATATATATATATATATATAA

[arctic hare]

I've never watched that

I have heard that classic line though

makes me think of Cthun too

You are, already dead

I think thats right

[oak sky]

Sick pin

[limber lion]

Any #assassination-faq lovers in the chat

[arctic hare]

I wonder what it'd be like if marked for death increased energy regen by the same amount as vig

[limber lion]

Anyways, I'm off to bed

[arctic hare]

I skim over it every once in a while

[limber lion]

Don't wreck the place, kids.

[zinc frost]

Just Cev lovers

[arctic hare]

we shall see about that muhahaha

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

Viva La Revolucion

[zinc frost]

So anyway guys, what’s the go with everyone taking ep/vigor?

[arctic hare]

Heh, nice

[oak sky]

Wait why do we play ct on denathrius???,?

[viscid spear]

Regular Jerry Seinfeld over here

[arctic hare]

Actually, I remember the answer to this surprisingly

[viscid spear]

"What's the deal with taking Elaborate & Vigor, Elaine?"
Kramer slides in
"Jerry, I prefer Blindside & Deeper."
"Oh Kramer, you silly man. I can't imagine someone using Blindside & Vigor"
"Newman...."

[arctic hare]

blindside and vigor, hmmmmmmmmmm

[balmy condor]

Why aren’t we playing venom rush with dashing frost? Isn’t cheaper mutilates mean more cp for envenom mean more envenom uptime for dashing so more frost damage?

Sorry new rogue I have no idea

[arctic hare]

ew...

I mean, 8 energy for 50, cool I guess

[manic pebble]

when do I use dashing instead of doomblade?

[balmy condor]

Excellent question

[limber lion]

Excellent question

[manic pebble]

😮

I'm asking this because I don't know which one is the best for pure ST fight

[balmy condor]

Oh

You’re being serious

You use whichever sims higher

[arctic walrus]

Thank you Ceverion <Method>

[balmy condor]

They do the same thing

[arctic hare]

I, was kinda wonder if it was or not

[manic pebble]

so dashing it is, thank you!

[balmy condor]

Dashing is more envenom damage + some extra nonsense, doomblade is more envenom damage + some extra nonsense

[arctic hare]

Lol, true

[arctic walrus]

why do you say it's more envenom damage

[drowsy parcel]

more envenom crits = more dam

[cobalt pelican]

more button more envenom more cool

[balmy condor]

? cause it is

doomblade directly increases envenom damage

dashing directly increases envenom crit rate

[arctic hare]

Heh, I have a feeling that having both of them at the same time would make it kinda ridiculous

[cobalt pelican]

ye you'd do like

7% more envenom damager

pokker

[arctic hare]

Doesn't it increase the dmg per bleed? so uh, I think it'd be a bit stronger than that

[cobalt pelican]

yes quite likely

[arctic hare]

5% per bleed iirc

[cobalt pelican]

7 is a factor of 5

[arctic walrus]

yeah well wording says poison crit chance not finisher therefore L + ratioed + hood plays frostlaw + ur white

[balmy condor]

yeh

it's one of those weird ones

where poison is actually lowercase

and spelled wrong

so it works on envenom too

get clowned, bent, and buttered

[arctic hare]

Lol, thats funny hahaha

[balmy condor]

[woeful meteor]

We’ll see in 9.3 at least I would guess we get double legendary then

[arctic hare]

I meannn, i'll take it

[arctic walrus]

that's weird

[balmy condor]

not to be confused with zoldyck's "poisons"

which does not work on envenom

[arctic walrus]

nah like that's weird, you think anyone asked?

[balmy condor]

yeah

I think that's weird too king

maybe I'm just talking to myself

[lavish stag]

what

[balmy condor]

you ever consider that

[lavish stag]

i thought zoldyck worked on envenom

my life was a lie

[balmy condor]

if zoldyck worked on envenom we would all be crafting zoldycks right now

[arctic hare]

True!

[arctic walrus]

hey man I"m just the same 5 recycled phrases, could be worse

[arctic hare]

true!

[lavish stag]

hmmm , does zoldyck make crimson tempest better finisher below 30% if you have it talented

[arctic hare]

It should count as a bleed, so yeah?

[balmy condor]

it does

yes

[lavish stag]

man

[arctic hare]

I had figured as much

[lavish stag]

i've been envenoming my entire life

all the keys i have thrown

[arctic hare]

Well, actually, envenoming isn't necessarily bad

[zinc frost]

You can still envenom, especially on prio targets and snd buff

[arctic hare]

once you have all of your bleeds up, as well as crimson tempest ready to go you can start envenoming iirc

oh yeah, Snd buff too

I'm so used to automatically maintaining it now

[lavish stag]

yeah you should do those

but i never crimsoned

thinking envenom is buffed

[arctic hare]

Yeouch

[woeful meteor]

Can anyone help me understand what I’m doing wrong on fate scribe, it’s the Boss I consistently perform the worst on https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vCbFL9qMB8fPm3WJ#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=16

[plain thistle]

what, you maintain CT on AoE, with or without zoldyck

[arctic hare]

yeah, it just gets stronger with zoldyck under 30%

[lavish stag]

we are talking about crimson on ST below 30%

[drowsy parcel]

you maintain crimson on ST too

[plain thistle]

ST if you have CT you also maintain

outside shiv

[woeful meteor]

Things I see myself are, I didn’t pot and with ct i could pad harder on the adds

[indigo ginkgo]

didd they switch someting in the sims ?

in raid bots ?

[lavish stag]

i need proof for that

[indigo ginkgo]

cuz 2 h ago i simmed 2000 dps more

200

[cobalt pelican]

lol

frost gamer?

[plain thistle]

#assassination-faq

[arctic hare]

Yeah, you definitely maintain CT in ST

[plain thistle]

if using frost set check #tc-updates

[oak sky]

Dude zoldyck should work on envenom that would be way cooler

[arctic hare]

Annnnnd stupid powerful

[oak sky]

And?

Best execute in the game on the assassin class

Problem?

[arctic hare]

oh no, I ain't got a problem with it

just saying that it'd be way ahead of the other legoes

[oak sky]

yeah

true

[arctic hare]

I wonder what they're going to add to our base kit after this expac, if anything

[oak sky]

raid utility

[arctic hare]

Such as a more minor lego effect?

Pfft, good luck

I've already consigned myself to my fate on that respect

[oak sky]

it will come eventually

9.1.5

9.2

9.3

10.0

[indigo ginkgo]

thanks , now i know why i lost 200 dps from like 2h ago

[drowsy parcel]

new talent row with echoing, sbs and flag

just delete sepsis

[arctic hare]

Hmm

that'd be kinda cool

it'd also be cool if they balance sepsis more in line with the others too

[oak sky]

maybe some covenant abilities will be talent

whos ready for convoke druid

[arctic hare]

I think they'd probably balance that just a bit more

it would be an interesting effect though

[indigo ginkgo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2F5LXHBmrHittAkjKt4X4X

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vaLePfXEwPG1pCEn5vV33t

200dps gone

[oak sky]

#tc-updates

[lavish stag]

FAQ says maintain CT on st outside shiv indeed but would be cool to see sims for that

[plain thistle]

sim already does that, you would need to modify the APL to see the difference

modify the APL to prevent sim to use CT on ST

[lavish stag]

i'm not smart enough to do it myself

[plain thistle]

yeah, that was already done, thats why its recommended on the faq

[lavish stag]

if it's true i've been playing wrong for years

[arctic hare]

It is true

[plain thistle]

dont worry, the difference shouldn't be huge

[lavish stag]

yeah can't be huge

[arctic hare]

If you're running doomblade it could be 5% dmg

if not, then prooooobably less lol

[woeful meteor]

Of you are running dashing its neutral to not use ct at least someone said that a few days ago

[arctic hare]

Right

[lavish stag]

definetly not with dashing

[balmy condor]

it's about 0.4% for non dashing

with dashing you don't CT single target

and that's in sims as well

[lavish stag]

yeah i've been doing 30~ dps less then

i can live with that

[oak sky]

free damage is free damage, but its always your choice

[pale plank]

@indigo ginkgo damn that’s insane, how are u simmin 9k + at ilvl233?

[arctic hare]

domination shards?

They brought me up a lot when I first got my unholy ones

[plain thistle]

I thought it was a little more, but less than 1%

good to know

[cobalt pelican]

it's pretty easy to check your own profile just go delete the commented ct line for st

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/evwtayEdUxdX8kUE3rYeXo

[lavish stag]

i have no idea but i copied your raw input and it worked

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kKz3afGCkL88J58dwgSMuq

i'm gonna be pressin ct from now hehe

[plain thistle]

64 dps

[lavish stag]

actually huge

[echo blaze]

with the Blindside talent, do i need to have Ambush somewhere on my main bars or will it overwrite Mutilate when it procs?

[cobalt pelican]

bind the spell

[lyric dock]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[frank stag]

Any known issues for shs on M Remnant? Especially on the edges closest to bridge? If so, tips to alleviate those.

[balmy condor]

I don’t know any issues with it

But some people stand sideways

[cobalt pelican]

apparently there's an instakill zone at the enterance

but i've never noticed it when playing

[balmy condor]

Weird

Yeh my guild does mass dispels for basically every single one

[frank stag]

Same mostly, w/ the occasional ping-pong audible.

[balmy condor]

yeah I just face my back to the boss

and it knocks me back

and I step

and we're chillin

[cursive silo]

If youre outside its random tho

Like if youre the one close to the edge

[balmy condor]

didn't seem random in my prog

I've never been the inside

[cursive silo]

Well its supposed to be

Depending on who gets dispelled first which is random now

[drowsy parcel]

ive always been knocked backwards too

even after the "fix"

im a sideways gamer and just react to the mass dispel cast bar

[balmy condor]

random since when

[cursive silo]

Since post-wfr patch

[hollow river]

i've heard you get knocked back in random direction if you're outside dispell

but i haven't done the fight on M, until tomorrow.

[balmy condor]

I did ~20 pulls, prog and a kill on that boss since then, and have not seen a single person get knocked randomly

so idk

[hollow river]

and i think sub is going to be the play

sub simming almost +800 dps higher than sin for me now

[cobalt pelican]

do you still use a weakaura to determine outside or

[balmy condor]

idk my raid lead calls it

I think he does

[cursive silo]

No that was what they fixed by making it random

[slim pebble]

Finally my luck was with me and I never have to step foot into plague again (until 9.2)

[hollow river]

gratz

[cobalt pelican]

i know miki said that they still use their playerid weakaura just fine and have no issues

[cursive silo]

O

Idk blizzard coding

[cobalt pelican]

no idea if tru though my guild adopts the call on the fly attack

[cursive silo]

Yea same but idk sometimes we get 2 people who can’t dash back on the platform and then their knockback direction is 50/50

And they die

Because unlucky gamers

[north basin]

My guildy were flying random directions sometimes during dispells, but i bet its just their poor positioning..

[silver osprey]

is anyone having a bug where they prepull? i believe its from the sudden fractures necro conduit, looking at logs bone spike dot is always first hit, even in steath

since taking the conduit off the prepulls stopped

[hollow river]

man 2 ppl in my new guild

face pull a lot

even if away from computer

doesn't make sense

[silver osprey]

i mean its not a facepull i make sure to not be near the boss once i saw the pattern of me always being first boss target

[hollow river]

oh idk

my guildies aren't anywhere near boss either

just something is bugging them

are u using tricks of the trade on pull? on primary tank

might help

[silver osprey]

can confirm it is the conduit

just tested again with and without conduit, only conduit pre pulls

its a proximity bug

[gray sleet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GgQKMt1CvdhFHyrD/#fight=last&type=damage-done
Am i doing something wrong, or is it mostly stats and trinkets??? and the gems of course I'm Kawague

[drowsy parcel]

@silver osprey i dont understand, how exactly do you prepull? just by sitting in stealth?

i havent noticed anything but i dont run SF on bonesmith anymore, only marileth

[silver osprey]

literally just by being close to the boss

running sf on bonesmith

only today has this bug occured

[torn atlas]

You don't need to be close to the boss to open with bone spike tho?

[silver osprey]

no, i mean im not even throwing bone spike

just having the conduit and being near a mob will pull it

[narrow ravine]

finished my clears until Mon, 1 fucking ember short of tier 5 frost

soooo close

uggg

[gray sleet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GgQKMt1CvdhFHyrD/#fight=last&type=damage-done

Am i doing something wrong?

or is it gear

and the shards?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GgQKMt1CvdhFHyrD/#fight=last&type=damage-done

This one too

Kawague is my name

[smoky bluff]

is there a rotation when using dashing frost?

[lavish stag]

you don't have domination gems nevermind the set bonus

would say your dps is normal with that gear

[gray sleet]

Is that the main reason?

Ok so i don't feel bad

Just farm for the sockets

and i'll be good

[smoky bluff]

domination gems set bonus is good dps

[arctic walrus]

your gear is trash, you have a 158 lashing (lol), you dont sync vendetta/flag/vanish properly, and your opener could use a bit of work follow any of the guides posted that have a detailed opener section

[gray sleet]

do i hold Flag for vendetta?

But i do the same opener as everyone does

Mut>SnD>Mut>Garrote>Flag>Rupture>Mut>Shiv>Vanish>Envenom>Mut>Envenom

is that wrong?

[arctic walrus]

you can type it now just press the buttons in that order too this is your guardian

[gray sleet]

i don't know how to get a higher Lashing

But isn't it the same thing that i did?

It's the same thing that i did or am i using Vendetta too early?

@arctic walrus ¡?

And do i hold Flag for vendetta? or do i use on CD?

[slow marsh]

depends on fight length

but in opener you should be using vendetta after flag not before

[gray sleet]

got it

after flag it'll be

[slow marsh]

it should be flag rupture vendetta shiv vanish

[gray sleet]

ok and the Flag thingy

like 4 min fights?

i hold?

i mean 3+ mins?

[slow marsh]

if you will lose a cast of flag by holding then you want to cast on cd

[gray sleet]

ok

thank you very much

[slow marsh]

np

[gray sleet]

and how the fyuck

do i get a better Lashing scars?

haven't got any

[slow marsh]

same

just conduit rng

[gray sleet]

i'm so burnt out of this rng shit for alts

since thursday i've ran 100 DOS

2 14s 2 10s and 3 5s

to get my shaman legend

and todfay i finally got it

[wind totem]

This opener is wrong lmao.

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the point

[wind totem]

oh i thought he was linking a correct one.

Should porbably follow the conversation before joining it.

Usually Im the person calling out people for not doing that.

[long hawk]

Hey I’m trying to compare my sims for unholy and frost bonuses, my frost is rank 4 and my unholy is rank 3, I’m trying to sim my unholy at rank 4 so they’re equal and I can properly check, how do I do that?

[pseudo nimbus]

Select whichever sockets you need and tick this checkbox

Don't forget to enable domination shard set bonuses at the simulation options

[torn atlas]

That's strange. Not sure why the conduit would do anything to make you pull but sounds like a bug if it's happening.
I'm always the closest to boss on pull and never experienced it. Wonder if there's anything else interacting with it to pull early.

[hollow talon]

8% on painsmith again tonight

[manic pebble]

Is opener still the same when you’re using dashing?

[wind totem]

Whole night yesterday and barely killed nerzhul. Reprogressing nerzhul and soulrender everyweek is extremely discheesing.

[oak sky]

opener is same

[manic pebble]

Wew that’s nice

[maiden gust]

hmm why did i lose 170 dps on sims from last night lol

new build?

[wind totem]

Just check the build versions of your 2 sims

[maiden gust]

yea its a different build but

where did 170 dps just disappear from lol

[inland heath]

so for mythic+ dashing is better than zoldyck ?

[manic pebble]

Also what’s the correct opener? Is it
mut>snd>mut>garrote>flag+ven>rupture>shiv>mut til 4 cps+>envenom>vanish>mut>envenom>mut

[wind totem]

no

mut>snd>mut>garrote>flag+ven>rupture>shiv> vanish > mut>envenom>mut... etc

[halcyon zealot]

if ur playing frost set, read the post in #tc-updates

[manic pebble]

I see some people hold 4 cps+ then shiv before they vanish>envenom>mut>envenom

[maiden gust]

damn rip

[wind totem]

I do this when vendetta/vanish doesnt overlap with flag. When they do it's vanish>mut>env>mut

[manic pebble]

I see

[halcyon zealot]

i think with EP that is technically more optimal, but it’s very very minor either way

[oak sky]

pretty sure it doesnt matter

the cp generation from mutilate crits offsets a big envenom crit

[burnt patio]

Hi I'm pretty new to rogue and am trying to figure out why I'm parsing so low. I've compared myself with others of same ilvl in logs and one thing I notice is my melee attack count is lower than most. Is there something I could be doing that is like cancelling melee attacks or something?

[halcyon zealot]

i mean, not having slice n dice up

but i imagine you have that up, lol

[burnt patio]

yeah I have it up the whole fight

I tend to move around a lot while still staying in range. Does walking slow down melee attacks or something?

[oak sky]

doubt it

[strange python]

No. it doesn't

Else my add ass would be fucked

[burnt patio]

For example in heroic guardian I'm comparing to someone with a lower 15 second lower fight length than me and they have 600 melee casts to my 520

[halcyon zealot]

you can link a log if you want jugglr, ppl in here love to dissect logs

although it is a bit late

[strange python]

Check your melee uptime and compare it to others

Then check your maintenance on alacrity and slice

If all those are actually good. Then a: I'd be surprised and b: idk haste values

[wind totem]

Maybe the guy has more haste

[burnt patio]

thanks. Wasn't sure if linking logs was allowed here's the comparison I have open.

Already checked the haste is the same

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/ApFKGvVRaq83bDBW/FBvwRjt8yYGP9faD#fight=33,32&source=5,Lapger&type=damage-done

I'm not tracking alacrity at all

maybe that's my problem?

[round swift]

Quick question if you’re running Doomblades in sanctum (I like it better than scoundrel) should I be using unholy instead of frost shards?

[wind totem]

There is nothign to track about alacrity

[strange python]

If haste us similar then I'd almost 100% guarantee your melee uptime is low

[wind totem]

no

[halcyon zealot]

you’ll have to sim, even with doomblade frost wins at higher crit

[round swift]

Mine is at 17%. Mastery is 45 and haste is 29%

[wind totem]

Just sim yourself mate

[strange python]

I'm at 40% crit. Frost wrecks UNH for me with db

[halcyon zealot]

17% crit?

[round swift]

Ok good to know. Don’t yet have a third frost shard

[halcyon zealot]

i’d say unholy wins if u have 17% crit lol

[strange python]

Yeah lol

No doubt

[halcyon zealot]

but also, get more crit by any means possible if that’s the case

[round swift]

I’m basically wearing the whole raid set so I’m doing my best lol.

[strange python]

45% mastery is massive. Avoid that like the plague for a while

I have like sweet fuck all

Basically baseline

[burnt patio]

Here's another one where I even have more haste than the other person but same problem of way fewer melee casts :/ If anyone wants to take a look

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/ApFKGvVRaq83bDBW/LNvnmG2pYaXTPjtz#fight=33,21&source=5,Lemunter&type=damage-done

[wind totem]

Are you getting parried by staying infront of the boss or something?

[strange python]

Necro vs venthyr for 1

So haste is definitely not the same

[burnt patio]

not sure. Maybe that's it. is there some way to see everything getting parried in the logs?

[wind totem]

Fuck if I know. I've been trying to do find that exact thing for the past 3-4 mins

[burnt patio]

lmao

it says under Miss% for melle that I miss 19.54%

only 5% of which are parries

[round swift]

Found your problem mate

[burnt patio]

so what does that other 95 percent mean then?

[round swift]

It means you can’t hit the broadside of a barn with a dagger.

[wind totem]

where did you find the miss?

[burnt patio]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ApFKGvVRaq83bDBW/#fight=33&type=damage-done&source=5&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24228510268.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24228510268.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%241

there's a column for Miss %

[wind totem]

so you got parried 5 times

big deal

thats not it

[burnt patio]

ya

so weird

logs don't actually show melee uptime it seems

unless I'm missing something

[regal ledge]

God I don't get why my logs are always shite roll tank so logs don't matter

[oak sky]

finally tier 5 codex jeez

[strange python]

Playing sin on heroic sylv when she gets pushed at 1:40ish feels SO BAD. So much lost vendetta time

[halcyon tapir]

Is dungeon slice a good way to make m+ gear choices? Im at 46% crit and wondering if pushing haste/mastery up would increase overalls

[strange python]

Next vend opportunity is like a full fucking minute later

[oak sky]

yeah dungeon slice is good for choosing m+ gear

for sure

[brazen zodiac]

does 7.9k sim in dungeon slice sound ok

[oak sky]

probably fine

doesnt necessarily mean that's what you get in your dungeons exactly though could be higher or lower

[brazen zodiac]

i kinda slammed on mastery now @ 35%

ah

[oak sky]

i think its mostly supposed to tell you what gear will do the most damage more than be a target or anything like that

and its definitely an accurate sim for what does the most damage

at least as far as i'm aware

[balmy condor]

It is

[strange python]

Hey whispy

[balmy condor]

Hi

[strange python]

For the spec comparison sims - is that with deathly shadows swap for sub?

[quaint carbon]

thank to all the help i got here i finally hit my first orange parses ever

[strange python]

I imagine not, seems difficult

[oak sky]

[balmy condor]

No

[strange python]

Any rough gut sense on how much leggo swap adds to total DPS over a 5 min st fight?

[balmy condor]

Bout 150

[strange python]

My sin and sub sim within 100 of each other and I've gotta imagine it's time to go sub with DS swap

Kk. Ily

<3

[balmy condor]

I didn’t include it because I’m still a believer

That they fix that fucking nonsense

[strange python]

I hate it.

Going through the entire pull with DS when someone early pulls is pure cancer

[oak sky]

theres 0 reason for it to be in the game

just like unethical theotar cheese

[neon cloak]

time to switch sub?

😦

[strange python]

What theotar cheese

And yeah, hard to justify not being sub for some bosses this tier

Double shadowstep makes p3 remnant a joke, funnel damage on KT is hilarious, adds don't live long enough on fatescribe for Sin to get much value out of dot spreading, sin feels really bad on p2 sylv mythic

Sub is well suited for this tier beyond just being strong balance wise.

[balmy condor]

The old potion cheese

From 9.0

[strange python]

???

What's this cheese, I played lock 9.0

[oak sky]

he gave double pot length but you could swap to nadjia in prepull

[balmy condor]

You could take the double duration potion trait from theotar

And then swap

[strange python]

Oh

[balmy condor]

And keep the timer

[strange python]

Lmfao

[balmy condor]

So people did it with phantom fire and got god tier rng

[strange python]

Amazing

[balmy condor]

And phantom fire + oil was like 8-9% of their damage

[strange python]

Idk, I'm just bored off my ass. Guild swapped and my trial won't start till farm (they have sylv in p3)

[balmy condor]

I think I saw 12% on a really speedy pull

[strange python]

They likely take a break after the kill too

[oak sky]

people just have no morals smh

[balmy condor]

Well, at least something

I swapped guilds about 2 months ago

[strange python]

Nervous AF. Didn't play between mop-nyalotha, haven't been above 100 since then

[oak sky]

when you guys swapped how did you find your guilds

[balmy condor]

Raid lead trolled, no prep for soulrender

40 pulls in

[oak sky]

just wowprogress or whatever

[balmy condor]

Might kill

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[oak sky]

im gonna start looking soon and idk what ur supposed to do exactly

[strange python]

Came back in nya, went from us 600 - 250, then rogue got shot in the head for CN so went lock, climbed back to us150 on lock, back to rogue this tier, us 50. Has me nervous I'm gonna fail trial spectacularly

[balmy condor]

I mentioned that our boss damage is low

The response I got was “yeah it’s a comfort thing we’re working on healer cooldowns”

[strange python]

If your logs are decent just tick the "looking for guild" box on your wowprog page

My mythic average on first 5 is 92 and 3 top 100 guilds reached out the same night

Dude soulrender tilts me so hard

[neon cloak]

easy boss tho

[oak sky]

my current guild just got aotc last week

[strange python]

Ranged standing in melee with brands after adds are dead. But also not bringing the brand onto overlord

[neon cloak]

we stack brands like champs lol

[oak sky]

im kinda looking for something better than that tho

[neon cloak]

doesnt matter

[strange python]

Aotc is harder than first 3 in mythic. You could reasonably find a 3/10 mythic guild if your logs are good

And then work your way up

Im low-key proud of my 96 on remnant when we held DPS for 15 seconds

[oak sky]

thats solid

[strange python]

Also, I'm not positive you can get above a purple on remnant as venthyr unless your brands are immediate and the overlord lives for two max CP envenoms

It didn't live long enough in my guilds prog to warrant rupture or garrote being worth it

[jaunty crystal]

heroic logs are more than enough to get recognized by a CE capable guild

[oak sky]

my hc logs are pretty good

not insane but good

[jaunty crystal]

it also helps if your class/spec is meta in the tier. I started playing in Uldir and went from only having heroic logs.

to being put on Zul progression by a guild that needed more rogues

so I skipped to 6/8M in like 1 week from never having done mythic before.

[strange python]

Rogues aren't necessarily in demand like that now though

[jaunty crystal]

yea definitely

[strange python]

Were strong, but no guild that's at/past painsmith will take you until you've got at least first three

If you can average 80% logs in heroic with aotc, you should be able to find a 3/10 mythic guild, imo.

[oak sky]

lol

i avg 90

so thats not too bad

[strange python]

Honestly you will likely struggle to get into a 4 or 5/10 guild because the first three are so much easier, most guilds will want you to have those.

But not impossible

[oak sky]

i pugged first 2 last tier

almost got hungering and inerva in different pugs

[jaunty crystal]

90 at this point in the tier is fine in heroic since you're competing with mythic geared people that still clear it on off nights

[strange python]

Id say throw out some feelers, join up with a 3/10 guild, try to get a purple average on the first bosses, and go from there.

[jaunty crystal]

should be able to find a guild

[rose dirge]

But logs aint always it on progress tho

Cause mechanics and stuff, mostly when you reclear is when it gets better

i have to do first chains on soulrender everytime, i cri 😦

[strange python]

Are you trying to jump around till you get to a guild that's "your level"? Or trying to just find a permanent home that's better than your current one?

[oak sky]

idk

kinda depends on if i like my next step

[strange python]

Either way, I'd try to join a 3/10 guild, see how you like it, and reassess after two weeks.

[rose dirge]

A lot of it doesnt only depend on their progress but how they manage and plan etc

[strange python]

If you throw up big logs (85% or higher) on mythic first 3, you can try to jump again. It not, put in some more practice.

[rose dirge]

but 3/10 is so variable, some could be awful and some not

[strange python]

Yeah, that said, it will be hard to parse on the Eye if you do side swap

My overall damage on Eye was also lower last week than the one before because we got one less chain add lol

That's a weird parsing fight

[rose dirge]

I cant get good logs on remnant/nine cause ppl in my guild do shit dmg on progress, so fight always takes ages

[oak sky]

yeah we'll see

im mostly just trying to get ce this tier

thats the goal anyway

[strange python]

Remnant should be okay even if the fights long, sin isn't tooooo badly hurt by longer fights tbh. But holding DPS for p3 transition is killer

Also protip

Account or server transfer for remnant so you get a new GUI and get less miseries.

Scumbag as fuck.

[oak sky]

lmao

[strange python]

Not gui, what's the term I'm thinking of

[frigid pilot]

Does anyone know if I’m going frost set do I need dashing scoundrel

[strange python]

That character identifying shit

[strange python]

No. At high gear it's better even with doomblade. But sim yourself with both legendaries to be sure

[oak sky]

you don't need it but eventually it should do more damage

[frigid pilot]

Like the higher set I have

[shadow tusk]

Dashing scales well with Frost yeah but its different for necro and venthyr

[frigid pilot]

What’s the difference

[rose dirge]

Dashing is better if you have low haste values, cause you need crit

[frigid pilot]

I’m venthyr

I got like 41%

[rose dirge]

But venthyr is smoother gameplay

[frigid pilot]

18% haste

[rose dirge]

Yeah as venthyr i dont think dashin sims better

Cause flagg and nadja

[shadow tusk]

It should

[frigid pilot]

Gonna build it and find out I guess

[shadow tusk]

From why ive seen so far necro dont gain much from dashing

But pretty good for venthyr

[frigid pilot]

I’ve seen people parse crazy high with both leggos and venthyr

From my research of the last 5 minutes

[oak sky]

@strange python yo wheres the lfg box

im currently in a guild does that mess with it

[shadow tusk]

Yeah theyre pretty close but Keep in mind most people Got their 2nd rank 6 this week so i Think theres a lot more dashing from here on out

[frigid pilot]

When can I refund legendaries and upgraded shards

Xd

[edgy pawn]

probably in 9.3 "because they listen to feedback"

[vestal zodiac]

@oak sky na it doesn't just edit your details/history part to include what u want people to know

[oak sky]

why am i not seeing any options

i might just be blind

appreciate you guys ev and uwutangclan ❤️ thanks for all the help

[balmy condor]

no thank you

for being here

getting help

[oak sky]

[gloomy fern]

np

[late birch]

WWould a 252 or 239 dagger be better than a normal sylv dagger at this point?

[tacit wedge]

Got H Sylv chest in my vault yesterday, I'm now part of the 5 shards gaming gang

More stygian embers to farm and spend

[balmy condor]

252 for sure, 239 probably needs a sim

[slim wagon]

whispyr my friend I love your weakaura I tried it a bit, but I need to make a matching set for the other specs too and I low key hate the work

[pseudo hamlet]

It's normal that after reaching some kind of treshold for the stats the weights are changing? I mean after getting an item which change my crit to ~1030 it shows me that crit no longer my "highest stat". It's second and haste is first.
It shows me that Haste/Crit ring is better than Crit/Haste.

[twilit hollow]

Ignore weights and top gear sim. It's normal for Stat valuations to fluctuate with gear swaps

[tawdry sparrow]

Is it bad am concidering to switch to outlaw rn? 😂 its seems superior of the 3 specs ztm

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah I understand. But I am on the point that whenever I change my ring it shows me the second one is better.

[weak bane]

There's just a lot of factors that change it. Like this week I swapped to dashing scoundrel and frost set, so my crit value balloons

You'll get to a point where you can just see gear pieces and know what to do to get the best sim, but you might make some changes based on what you're doing