assassination

[spice spire]

[idle star]

ill ask a third time. Is there a reason my rank 3 frost is only simming 100dps less than rank 4? anyone know why that may happen?

[spice spire]

Post the sim

Because no lol

[fathom flax]

because mercury is in gatorade

[idle star]

all i did was compare rank 3 to rank 4 and it was a diff off 100dps

[cobalt pelican]

that's not a sim link

[zinc frost]

Glad I’m not the only one

[lavish stag]

did you select blood and unholy dmg gems aswell ?

[cobalt pelican]

might not be that f ar off reality though, i think r4 to r5 is like 280 or something

and idk how the r3 to r4 jump is cause they aren't linear gains

[spice spire]

What plode said essentially. Was going to check for any error in input but chances are it’s not wrong. I know the diff for me is pretty low currently. But my gear is dog

[idle star]

im running like 45% crit so it should be bigger gains.. man its dissapointing

[drifting cloud]

if I had to bet he forgot to select dyz so he has an empty socket or some shit

because linking the sim is hard, its easier to just describe it in great detail

[idle star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sGLE94rQMeFmzLfE8UxkJu

ok its more than 100

[drifting cloud]

oh look your gloves are emtpy

who would have thought

[cobalt pelican]

lol

[spice spire]

Subterfuge

[idle star]

but they arent on my character tho...

[cobalt pelican]

do you not have dyz as a shard

or why are you using bek

in your normal gear even

[harsh lantern]

always more

[idle star]

omg this sim is all over the place...

[drifting cloud]

no you just dont know how to sim gems

[sour wraith]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[drifting cloud]

well it also works a little dumb but you just need to understand how it works

[idle star]

can someone else sim for me? lolol

[cobalt pelican]

just click run again and click the blood shard you have lol

(and the dyz one you have if you actually have it)

[drifting cloud]

its +270 when you actually sim correct gems

[cobalt pelican]

oh i was wondering

[drifting cloud]

or wait my default overwrote your chest enchant aswell eh whatever

[cobalt pelican]

why my sim was showing 400

but you have double sinful in your equipped gear too

[spice spire]

I found a few changes

Still running because I’m an idiot that did t5 zzz

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/irRmUJopA4FL56yv6FP6kQ

I probably scuffed tf out of it, mobile and in bedge. But normalizing most of it is quite a big change

[idle star]

what did you change??

cos i did it again and got just over 9k

[spice spire]

Talents, offhand

[idle star]

ah offhand to Sylv dagger

[harsh lantern]

41 embers for r5 frost already did normal raid

is it possible this week

[idle star]

no

[cobalt pelican]

um

i mean

depends what you have already

[idle star]

max you gonna get is 20 more im pre sure

[cobalt pelican]

but likely not

[harsh lantern]

ouch another week

so close

[cobalt pelican]

probably 2

[harsh lantern]

sadge

[idle star]

actually no, 28 more

[harsh lantern]

i have 9

[idle star]

cos of the non boss mobs dropping embers

[harsh lantern]

need 50 for last t5 upgradde

[drifting cloud]

well normal raid is 20, max you can get in a week is 61

[cobalt pelican]

oh you meant you need 41

[drifting cloud]

actually normal raid with trash is 30?

[harsh lantern]

yes

[cobalt pelican]

i see

[drifting cloud]

do they even give 2 on normal

fuck if I know

[idle star]

yes

[harsh lantern]

https://gyazo.com/b7064c9a487461f3d4486c6b79d8c358

lastone :(((

[idle star]

normal = 2 heroic = 3 mythic = 4

[drifting cloud]

I meant the trash mobs but yeah same thing

do lfr trash boys also give 2 then

more than bosses?

[cobalt pelican]

oh yeah that reminds me

lfr sylvanas tomorrow right

i'm goin in

[spice spire]

Also @idle star you don’t have nadjia as your soulbind

Checking that rn

[drifting cloud]

you want daggy or what

just ping me at some demon evening hour when u do normal ill trade it to you if it drops

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iUXnPcrvmAgJx1Zb4jxtTi

[drifting cloud]

cba about normal one

[spice spire]

• even more

[idle star]

by going Nadja?

[spice spire]

Yes

[cobalt pelican]

will do

[idle star]

and thats rank 4 frost not rank 3? i have rank 3 equipped

[spice spire]

Yes I’d assume it’s even an upgrade the . Lemme run again

[fathom flax]

you dont get any extra from trash on mythic so a full mythic clear only nets 10 more than heroiac

[idle star]

full heroic run is like 42 embers

there is 4 non boss mobs yeh?

or 5

[harsh lantern]

If that’s true ez r5 then

[idle star]

yeh but if you have ran normal already, subtract that

[harsh lantern]

ah nvm then lmao

[idle star]

lol

[harsh lantern]

Next week

[spice spire]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kDiL9wH527QJ5wfMkvuzQp

+431 from current setup

[harsh lantern]

Next week just like phial

[spice spire]

So r4 is like +260ish

[calm pawn]

is it better to use flagellation of cd or always combine it with vendetta

[spice spire]

Use together unless you’ll miss a cast of flag

[calm pawn]

ty

[hollow talon]

did they update something on raidbots? my sim went down even though i got conduit upgrade and ilvl increase

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sqTg1pBiUGvwY9bWnjbaiJ

this is from last week

this is from today

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Npc38tjSrgRy4c6cuN4CF

[calm pawn]

i think the shards its a lil bit rng so its not always going to sim the same

[cobalt pelican]

one has no flask for some reason

oh nvm i am dumb

not loading icons pepelaff

let's SEE

[drifting cloud]

could just be smart sim spazzing out

like it did for vels ring

[lavish stag]

one is smart sim one is stat weights

[spice spire]

[hollow talon]

is there usually a noticeable difference between the two kinds of sim

[lavish stag]

i know they should be same but i remember having inconsistancies between topgear and stat weights

could be here too

[hollow talon]

ill do a stat weight to check then

hmmm nope

statweight is still 30 dps off

[balmy condor]

but also like

[hollow talon]

i cant figure it out

[balmy condor]

why you be simming weekly

[cobalt pelican]

i didn't actively sim frost because i don't play it

but there was a change like 7 days ago to more cleanly seperate the stacking interval

koji said it'd have little to no impact but idk if little to no impact is within the 30 dps range

everything else looks fine, just ye running weekly build 7 days ago probably means a 14 day old build

[hollow talon]

it might be bigger than 30 cause i upped the ilvl of my braacer and got the 252 venthyr conduit

i guess just diff simc builds

[balmy condor]

yeh

the weekly last week didn't have the winds thing

so it's for sure that

nightly would've had the change btw

[oak sky]

Wait is that grom

[balmy condor]

yes

[oak sky]

Lol

[spice spire]

[oak sky]

That guy is a character

[gusty mirage]

[hollow talon]

is the default setting for simc weekly

i dont think i ever changed it

[balmy condor]

you 100% should

there's no reason to ever sim weekly

[hollow river]

@oak sky

you on/up?

oh he just said something

aotc with new guild and this

[oak sky]

Sheeeesh

[hollow river]

can't even believe dood

[oak sky]

Congrats friend

[hollow river]

ty

think trial is going well too so far

[oak sky]

Thats awesome

[gusty mirage]

grats man

[oak sky]

Its probably about time i found a new guild maybe ill apply to some this week

[hollow river]

thanks oxi ❤️

[loud silo]

so like one in every 15 bone spikes, my bonespike will just flys past remnant and doesnt hit him

[lavish stag]

probably parry

[warped kiln]

Hello guys, I have try to sim sylvanas weapon on 233 vs my 246 dague and apparently it's a los of -44 dps. I saw on FAQ that sylvanas 233 weapon almost beat 252 weapon, so i don't understand, does the sims are fked up ? Sim here : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/argv428yemhtJhqbBXqnnH

[drifting cloud]

it beats it for sub

[gusty mirage]

In his defense it does say that it'll beat most 252s in the assa faq too

but yeah what ryler said, that's more true for sub than assa now

[warped kiln]

ok, so i guess i can trust the sim on that one right ?

[gusty mirage]

yeppers

[warped kiln]

ok boyz thanks 🙂 ❤️

[drifting cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qXQfqpGyckBQHch5n3GzPs this is how it looks for me

hmm for you its almost double the difference

[gusty mirage]

yeah my 233 edge beats all my 236/239 offhand options

[severe sparrow]

how much crit do i need before dashing sims higher than doom?

[gusty mirage]

However much raidbots tells you to have for it to sim better than unholy

just run your highest simming gear and change up the dom sockets and sim em

[fleet anchor]

Well 30 DPS is 0.3%.. I think that's fair to say little to no impact, but would need to look at the sims to know what it was specifically

[severe sparrow]

as in, sim myself with unholy and then sim myself and force frost?

[gusty mirage]

you can sim both sets in top gear

[severe sparrow]

well yeah, but it just puts me in unholy/doom all the time cuz it's aparently a 100 something dps increase

[gusty mirage]

what's your ilvl?

[idle star]

im simming 9.4k with no access to Mythic raid

[severe sparrow]

242

[gusty mirage]

hm

what about your crit %?

[severe sparrow]

http://puu.sh/I4INf/fa3f00ac5f.jpg

it's not where i want it

but that's where it be

[gusty mirage]

are you simming the sets at equal level? like r4 v r4 or simming what you actually have?

[severe sparrow]

i have them both at equal level

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oCrWcF82PeBo2Vb9Dt41Rd

[gusty mirage]

ah you're necro

[severe sparrow]

ffs is that the key to all this? ive been trying to scrounge for crit where i can but 😩

[drifting cloud]

is trinket giving haste or crit to you?

but yeah as necro I assume crit must go beyond insane if you wanna do frost

you probably need fatescribe helm, better neck, 1 bettter ring

[severe sparrow]

yeah. was hoping for some drops tonight but nothing. not sure what the trinket gives me, never actually checked

ah trinket gives me haste

oh if i sim max level leggys and shards it goes to dashing tho

smh

[sand sigil]

interesting finding btw. i got both 239 SF and 239 wps. i lose 5st dps putting the sf in the empowered slot vs wps, but i gain 80 in 2t. basically identical st but decent aoe gain

idk if anyone else profile behave like that, i thought it'd be more of a dps loss on st but i guess not

[idle star]

Next week nadja enhances a potency slot boota

[fallen arch]

Nah not really, for me at some point haste is kinda on the same level as crit for st

And dashing/doomblade sim really close. Doesn’t matter if I run like 35 or 45% crit

As necro

[hollow river]

man

first H sylv dagger

so i opened as outlaw

and got 252 wep

[gusty mirage]

spicy shoulders though

[hollow river]

i have 239 shoulders

and 226 fusion amp

but my outlaw MH is 213

and i wanna do outlaw keys again

[fallen arch]

Then take the weapon

That must be a huuge upgrade

[hollow river]

yeah

[fallen arch]

Dps wise

[hollow river]

i should be able to farm those other items

[fallen arch]

Exactly

[hollow river]

or take them another week in vault if they pop up

[fallen arch]

Weapon u might not see for ages at 252

[hollow river]

exactly

[fallen arch]

Shoulders do look nice tho

Crit haste

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[sand sigil]

[soft shale]

sf is bae for anything

[hollow river]

yeah they're actually bigger upgrade than the H fusion amp, but like 40 dps

outlaw wep is like +400 dps just in ST

[fallen arch]

Huge

[hollow river]

yeah +550 in dslice

is it weird that my ST sims higher than my dslice? >_>

[iron orchid]

nah it's fine, it's probably just a matter of shard sets being active on your patchwerk sim

[hollow river]

yeah that's what i was thinking

but still kinda weird

[fallen arch]

It’s the set bonus

[hollow river]

yeah ik

still thought having some aoe in the sim would be higher

[slow marsh]

So who wants to go kleia sin for science

[balmy condor]

set bonus far outweighs that

like these are from my sims earlier today

it's not even close

[hollow river]

O.o

That’s so insane lol

I’m used to last tier I guess since it was my first tier

Kinda crazy that sin is getting gapped in dslice like that now

Buff sin pls

[balmy condor]

sin's always gotten gapped in dslice

sin dslice just doesn't keep up

[iron orchid]

but I still play only sin

[hollow river]

Make CT baseline and give us something that spreads dots faster

Idk I’m no expert, obviously

At least each class has their niche kinda. Besides outlaw this season

[balmy condor]

I mean I think sin performs better compared to what dslice would say

[hollow river]

Ah

[iron orchid]

true I guess

[hollow river]

Sin cleave is also heaven

Compared to subs

[balmy condor]

but It's pretty hard to nail down why that is

[iron orchid]

I always overperform compared to my sims

[balmy condor]

I've spent many hours of my life trying to get sin dslice better

[hollow river]

o:

[balmy condor]

I'm out of ideas tbh

found like 2% over the last couple months

[iron orchid]

I guess it's mostly the dungeon covenant effects and specificities

[balmy condor]

but it's just nowhere near enough

but like it was bad in legion as well

and it was bad in bfa as well

I've basically chalked it up to dslice just not favoring sin as a sim type

[slow marsh]

Sin is just higher floor and lower ceiling compared to the other specs

It's a dot spec. That's how it be

[balmy condor]

not to say it's bad and you shouldn't use it or whatever, but it just doesn't bring out the strengths of the spec I guess

[slow marsh]

Put dots up and keep them up, you're probs doing decently

Sims are sims and don't account for misplays that happen during fights. It will play whatever it is perfectly according to the apl

It's hard to optimize a spec and attempt to push past it's ceiling when it's ultimately limited in what it can do like sin is

[worldly condor]

What specifically makes EP/Vigor better than Blindside/deep strat?

[hollow river]

Idk man aff looks way easier

All their dots are instant and spender just does big dam based on how many dots u have out

Plus they’re ranged

[slow marsh]

Nothing. Bs DS is actually better but people prefer the feel of EP vig

[hollow river]

We have to dodge shit in melee, build resource just to dot etc

[worldly condor]

ive just noticed all top parses are EP/Vig. over 90%

[cursive silo]

Nah fight timings and uptime can make EP/Vigor better

[hollow river]

Even on Guardian?

[slow marsh]

Then play ep vig idk

Like you asked I answered idk what you want

[worldly condor]

Guardian is 77% Ep/Vig

[cursive silo]

Becuz people don’t care lmao

[hollow river]

Probably just people being too lazy to switch tbh

[cursive silo]

Ep vig probably better for the boss just before and the boss right after so Id see why people don’t swap talents

[hollow river]

Yeah I mean

People are blasting over 10k dps now

A small change of dps like those talents

Isn’t a big deal

[slow marsh]

EP is better when there are adds and there's a lot of fights with random adds you can use to pad your parse with

[hollow river]

I need someone to teach me they way of the parse

[cursive silo]

Press buttons harder

[carmine dawn]

Be in a speed kill guild

[hollow river]

Nah I feel like that makes parses suffer tbh

Depending on CD usage

[cursive silo]

No lol

[slow marsh]

No it doesn't

[hollow river]

Look ik

Don’t @ me ok

But if boss dies right before my CDs come back up again

P sure dps will be lower than if I got them off

[carmine dawn]

Less time to kill means higher damage per second cause there’s less seconds

[hollow river]

And then boss died

[cursive silo]

Yea

But if boss died 2 min faster

[hollow river]

Because higher average

[cursive silo]

Youd have had moredps too

[hollow river]

Ye

Ofc

I mean we’re killing heroic bosses atm

I’m just over 3 min on some of them

[cursive silo]

Never lucky

[hollow river]

But 2:30ish and 4:30ish

Are the sweet spot I feel like

Compared to 3:30ish

[carmine dawn]

Do people do heroic parse runs?

[cursive silo]

Obviously

[hollow river]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cursive silo]

Best kill timer is just after your 2nd cds lol

[hollow river]

No

[cursive silo]

They sure do

[rotund oak]

Kyrian dashing higher than necro 😂

idk why ive bounced to necro anymore

[hollow river]

Alt/helping guildies get aotc/getting raiders last of their gems/sockets

[cursive silo]

Even after that

[hollow river]

Seriously lol

That’s nutty

[cursive silo]

People do for fun heroic clears

[slow marsh]

Yes they do

[hollow river]

Lmaoooooo

[carmine dawn]

Most people parse on boosts tho to be fair

Heroic wise

[slow marsh]

There's a reason ceverion is #1 heroic

[hollow river]

Parsing on a boost

How’s that work

More dam for u to do

[carmine dawn]

Cause it’s heroic

And it doesn’t matter

[hollow river]

With boosters present?

[cursive silo]

Boss easy as fuck so you pad

Do big parse

[slow marsh]

You're not there for gear so you may as well parse

[hollow river]

What about normal

[carmine dawn]

Mythic parsing is just a totally different game than anything

[cursive silo]

Not really lol

[carmine dawn]

Raidmasters kind of shows a cool glimpse into it

[slow marsh]

Do people buy normal boosts

[cursive silo]

People got mythic on farm after a while just like heroic

[carmine dawn]

Yeah but speedkilling is different I mean

[cursive silo]

People buy torghast boosts bro ofc

Not really

Theres always some speed strats on bosses

With gear

[rotund oak]

ofc they do,most likely undergeared alts farming those cinders

[fleet anchor]

I mean they are about the same, just offset like 2-3 months 😛

People use Heroic as an outlet for pushing numbers while Mythic is still in prog mode or quick/clean farm, but eventually do the same shit in deep Mythic farm lol

[sterile ocean]

how much crit do i want for assassin just outta curiosidy

[reef axle]

40+ if you’re running dashing frost set

[sterile ocean]

i have 36% and i have obidence

[reef axle]

Should be fine

[sterile ocean]

i also assume same with haste? like as much as i can

[edgy pawn]

just sim yourself

[shadow tusk]

Sim it

Can change real Quick

[sterile ocean]

im not asking like on gear im talking in general cause i thought were supposed to have atleast 30%

[shadow tusk]

There isnt really any breakpoints

Its not as simple as stack haste untill ur hat falls off

Only thing to look out for is having High crit with Frost set which is like 35% +

[sterile ocean]

oh i got the unholy set on

atm

[pale plank]

Is it easier to flex between sin/outlaw or Sin/sub?

[sterile ocean]

sin and sub

[shadow tusk]

Playstylewise?

[sterile ocean]

cause they both use daggers

[iron orchid]

for stats i'd say sin/outlaw, but weapon-wise sin-sub

[pale plank]

Mainly stat wise, Bcz I am fully committed with crit and dashing frost

[iron orchid]

well with a crit build, i guess sub is easier to transition to

iirc outlaw is haste/vers then crit or sth

[fallen arch]

Is there a way to see in logs what powers someone ran on Tarragrue?

[pale plank]

Hmm… I guess I gotta do some sub research the, yea it’s kinda hard to get other stats when I am already like 40%+ in crit

[slow marsh]

Outlaw is going crit haste just like sin right now

Sub doesn't mind mastery but sin doesn't like it at all

[fallen arch]

It does for keys

[slow marsh]

You could run the same exact gear set for outlaw and sin with frost and be pretty optimal. Sub not so much cuz the haste

Yeah for keys true

[fallen arch]

Its pretty bad for st tho

Luckily there’s many multi target encounters so secondarys are kinda w/e outside of crit as far as I’m concerned

[slow marsh]

I mean you can one trick any of the three specs right now and still be optimal so it doesn't super matter anyways

[fallen arch]

Ye exactly

Have the feeling we get way to caught up in secondaries atm for really minimal gains

[slow marsh]

Tbh I love it. I'm learning outlaw right now just because, but knowing I can just play one spec for all content and not just be competitive but be optimal is a good feeling

[pale plank]

I was just aiming for a other outlaw or sub that I can switch on using my same dashing frost sin for mythic

[slow marsh]

I mean yeah sure people do worry too much about secondaries and not enough about just simming themselves

[pale plank]

Minimal gear change is what I am looking for

[iron orchid]

oh fine then, i guess that's for the frost set too ?

[slow marsh]

Yep outlaw is using frost too

[pale plank]

If outlaw is frost too than that would make it lots easier for me since my other gems are pretty low rank

[slow marsh]

Same idea as sin except a lot of our crits are coming from bleeds poisons whereas they are high apm with a crit booster built in

I'm going sin/law right now. Sub goes frost but at way higher gear than both other specs. They are more comfy with blood atm so it would throw things off for sure for multispec

[iron orchid]

I've been doing only sin for a few weeks now, i'm not aware of changes to the other specs after the shards buffs

but I'm having so much fun as sin

[slow marsh]

Yeah same I'm progging as sin and experimenting in heroic/normal

But ye they are all 3 in a great spot so it's a good time to just one trick something until you know it in and out

[shadow tusk]

Tbh u Can do pretty much whatever u want with rogue atm

I played all 3 specs for painsmith prog so far

[gusty adder]

I just cant seem to get this out on top. At 40% crit, r3 frost and 235 dashing, but simming lower than UH R4, doomblade. Guessing Ill have to wait for R4 frost and 262 dashing, but im kinda committing for small gains atm it seems. Am necro btw

[slow marsh]

You can sim with r4 frost and see

But yeah 235 leggo usually means low ilvl which means uh is better for the flat stats

[gusty adder]

Ye, not at home right now, but afaik my last sims were very close with R4 frost and doomblade still came out on top

Am 243 eqq tho

Obv. Lower with 235 dashing

[reef axle]

Dashing only starts seeing value at r4 or higher. From my experience anyway

[slow marsh]

It honestly just depends on your gear. The 40% crit isn't even that accurate it's just something that people started saying as a short answer

[gusty adder]

Alright. Guess ill have to hold on and believe. Still 55 embers off rank 4 frost (spent 50 embers on the blood DPS shard 1st week kekw)

[slow marsh]

For some people blood is the play for their current setup. It just be like that

Sim yourself and slot in some stuff that is easily attainable to feel it out if you really care about future proofing

[odd python]

can sm1 link me necro assa rogue that sims ~10k (243-246 ilvl range)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eopndbGhLdS8B4pTaPFjU4

mine seems low

[slow marsh]

Seems about right

You have ep/vig and CT

[odd python]

im running CT

ep.vigor isnt the play now ?

ep/vigor *

[slow marsh]

It's fine

[odd python]

CT is mistake

[north pecan]

Try BS/DS & Poison Bomb - not CT for Single target

[odd python]

bs/ds is literally 2 dps gain

and spec is clunkier to play

Should i maybe craft 262 dashing

i've heard its the play now

[slow marsh]

I would probably worry about getting ksm then getting the other 2 Dom pieces

[odd python]

ksm ?

[iron orchid]

keystone master

2k score

[slow marsh]

Your rings D=

[odd python]

sadly, those seem to be simming the best

[velvet nacelle]

i just realized that despite doing at least 1 15 every week, 4 some, i've only pulled one 252 from my gv

[slow marsh]

Dom slots be like that

[slow marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gQeE1qLxt1hF4zQcuYixPD

[zealous marsh]

Leeching poison

[slow marsh]

Look through this, bunch of options for you

[tacit wedge]

Leeching poison is chad

[slow tulip]

[cobalt hemlock]

hey guys sorry to bother but i was doing volunteer work for past 2 weeks could anyone quickly explain why dashing is the best now? i would greatly appreciate

[tacit wedge]

More crit=more frost dammy

And dashing=more crit

[clear shadow]

anyone know if u can get sylv dagger from 4 mythic dungeons weekly this week

[tacit wedge]

No

[zealous marsh]

Leeching poison is like asking for being dead

[odd python]

bone spike copium -,,,-

eh.. back to venthyr next week i guess

[oak sky]

I'm pretty sure you can get a sylvanas dagger from the weekly tho

[gloomy rose]

why wouldnt you be able to, as long as you killed sylvanas at least once

[oak sky]

i think it actually doesnt matter if you killed her or not, at least that's what ive heard

[shadow tusk]

For vault it matters probably not for quest

[oak sky]

yeah

[gloomy rose]

ohh you mean the weekly quest, nevermind I was confused

[tribal mauve]

is that 100% confirmed ?

[arctic cloud]

My vault is so scuffed this week that the biggest upgrade is totem trinket.

Isn’t it a sim trap though at 252?

[verbal mantle]

shadowgrasp totem?

it's a very good trinket

[arctic cloud]

I was always under the impression it’s a sim trap

[iron orchid]

no, it's really good

easy to use

[verbal mantle]

It wasnt simming properly until recently iirc, but it's a very good trinket

give it a try

[arctic cloud]

Well it’s either that or I take the mists neck t 252 but it’s not enough crit

[verbal mantle]

just sim

[arctic cloud]

I did.

4Head

[verbal mantle]

then trust the robot

[formal lichen]

Heya sorry to bother, but, Zoldyk Insignia, secondary stats: crit/haste? (I'm doin m+ mostly)

[zinc frost]

Crit/haste or crit/mast

Either is fine

[formal lichen]

Cool, mastery seems easy to obtain on the Gear, haste not so much..so Will Go crit haste, thanks m8 :)

[final tree]

any faq about the use of fusion amplifier? im assuming sync it with vend?

[oak sky]

use it on cd

vendetta doesnt affect it

[verbal mantle]

slam it on cd just like shiv

[half tartan]

Is deathly shadows pre fight worth for sin? Or is The vanish on opener better generally

[zinc frost]

Doesn’t work for sin

[arctic walrus]

No

[pseudo hamlet]

I'd say use it with Flag(if you're venth and don't have obedience legendary), they both have 1,5 min cd 🙂

[verbal mantle]

which is literally on CD

like advised

[shut flame]

Dont get why top-rio sin rogues running heirmir in m+, as marileth sims higher in dslice. Whats the difference in playstyle for them? Marileth is more ST oriented?

[final tree]

thanks a lot!

[soft shale]

marileth does more damage because you have perma uptime on 120 mastery

and on most dungeons 2% agi

then extra dmg on kevin use

that has high uptime because the way sbs works

[shut flame]

Yes, the reason why its higher is clear, I dont get why ppl dont run it

[soft shale]

also 10% dmg on hitting not damage enemy

as it has been seen many times

top rio does not mean they are running the best things

they play what they like/want

[shut flame]

Hence my question - what is the diff in playstyle for them. I mean, m+ playstyle is always the same for sin

[drowsy parcel]

no real difference

bonesmith has gemstone windows

marileth has kevin windows (sync with vendetta etc)

[shut flame]

And kevin sometimes pulls trash, like when if you are sapping someone - pulled this way in mots

[quaint carbon]

Is there a way to find how much % increase the dps shard do in m+ ?

In sim*

[zinc frost]

Just sim dungeon slice, no set bonus, choose the dps shards you want and see the difference.

Will need dom sockets tho

[oak sky]

a little more crit and frost is gonna pull ahead for me

[weary marten]

hey guys, i finaly got HC shoulders with domination slot ! I'm looking forward frost build but doesn't simc higher than blood currently. Too low crit ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4LhmcWrKnVrsq536ejnb7Y

[oak sky]

could be low crit or low ilvl in general

[weary marten]

235ish

24% crit in game. 466 score, yeah that's kinda low

[oak sky]

another thing would be frost set level but idk what level u have it at

[weary marten]

i simmed it at max level

just to check it

[oak sky]

gotcha

when you get more gear even with low crit frost starts simming better

i have 27% rn because i cant find any but im 242 ilvl and frost is like 30 dps down

just keep getting ilvl and crit pieces

[weary marten]

i play sub basically but i've them both in 40 dps range now

dunno if i should totally switch to assa 🤔

[oak sky]

thats up to you

both specs are really strong

[weary marten]

is dashing scoundrel the go to for assa ONLY in frost ?

or all builds ?

[gloomy rose]

only if you have frost set and even then it doesn't have to always be the choice

for me as necro at rank 3 frost set I still use doomblade with vigor and ep, dashing with bs and ds sims only 2 dps higher

[weary marten]

wow that's pretty close yeah

[oak sky]

dashing should be the one you generally use atm

but doomblade is still good if you have it and it sims higher

[weary marten]

how is assa in dungeon ? i tried one it seemed so much weaker than sub

[oak sky]

its good but not better than sub or outlaw

[wanton comet]

I find it more fun tbf 🙂

[primal elm]

Guys phial 252 or sylv dagger heroic

[weary marten]

still playing zoldyck in dungeon ?

[oak sky]

obedience can be good as venthyr but zoldyck is the normal go to

[gloomy rose]

I would get the phial just for the reason that you cant get that ilvl anywhere else

[fallen arch]

depends

[silk valley]

Phial period

[brave reef]

i would go phial. who knows when it shows up in vault again

[silk valley]

Never

[primal elm]

Yeah that what i was thinking xD

[oak sky]

phial is probably better since you won't ever replace it

dagger if you do mythic can get replaced

[last stirrup]

Hey guys.. Is this shit cause it occupies a dom socket slot or is it good? Since i can still run 4xShards, frost bonus and all that could it be worth? rest of vault is hot garbage (or alrdy obtained)

I do not have a dom chest yet so for the moment it's def a big upgrade

[oak sky]

seems like its up to you man

you'll probably swap to a socket chest anyway but its probably good until then

[last stirrup]

Yeah frick it i'll go for the chest. The nice one is from sylvanas so might take a little while to get it

[oak sky]

i mean if you dont its vault research right?

better this than no loot

[last stirrup]

There's a small ilvl upgrade of a ring i've got aswell

[oak sky]

if the ring sims higher you should probably just grab that

but it probably doesnt

[bleak sun]

What is the weekly évent mates ?

[last stirrup]

nah, no way my chest is really bad

[oak sky]

on the other hand you could greed if you havent done heroic yet and wait until you see what loot you get

[devout spire]

Whispyr it seems lile you simmed wrong neck on necro sims, you used tarragrue neck at 259 ilvl (low haste/high mastery)

[balmy condor]

Probably won’t change much but thanks I’ll take a look tomorrow

[eternal turtle]

can we get 63 renown this week

[wooden crag]

no up to 62

[eternal turtle]

will it be every week +2 now?

[balmy condor]

Yep

[civic trellis]

@limber lion hey do you have frost set?

[limber lion]

Yes

[alpine garden]

252 crit neck today, up to 38%

[proper eagle]

how do my stats look for m+, i feel i may have to much crit ? but im unsure

[limber lion]

Stop looking at stats.

Sim yourself in top gear.

Definitely not too much crit

[proper eagle]

im doing that as we speak just wanted opinions while i waited lol

[civic trellis]

Can you check if frost bonus is oversimming in a dummie? 😛

[dim temple]

as frost shards whats best Dashing Scoundrel or doomblade?

[limber lion]

It doesn't proc on a normal target dummy because you have to be in the Maw, and I don't have a special dummy

[civic trellis]

Damn

I have the punching bag

But dunno if it behaves like a dummy

Armor etc

[gloomy rose]

the frost set is so good, the sustain it adds is insane

like you can really feel being beefier during the boss fights

[fallen arch]

Omegahealing parses too

[slim geyser]

how do you cast crimson tempest in aoe ? after i get 3 ruptures up i usually just spam fan->ct, but should i wait until ct ticks of before recasting it ? i'm talking 6+ mobs

[fallen arch]

Don’t spam ct

On 6 mobs you apply and reapply the dot

In between you garr and rup em

[fervent rune]

Get CT up first

You cast CT before snd if I remember correctly

[slim geyser]

well yea, ct->3xrupture->spam ct, is what i was doing, cuz with 3 ruptures it;s already really hard to spend all the energy

and mobs are starting to die, casting rupture on 25% hp target feels bad

[fervent rune]

I usually just dump a couple envenoms and refresh my snd for next pull

[civic trellis]

iirc you want to SnD first

then garrote& rupture 1 mob, Ct

then normal aoe rota

[dry chasm]

can someone remind me the addon for rogue for the combo points buffs?

the weak auras i mean

[civic trellis]

with subterfurge you want to spread up garrotes then snd

[slim geyser]

sure, i wasn't talking about the start of the rotation, just when you get into pure aoe

i go 4x garotte from stealth, snd, ct, 3x rupture then just spam fan and ct untill my ruptures start falling off

and i'm not sure how right it is

[fallen arch]

You don’t stop at 3 ruptures

And again you dont ever spam ct

Also apply the first ct before snd and make sure to always have it up before packs the rest of the dungeon

Use shiv and vendetta on cd

And make aure you envenom to maintain snd

[slim geyser]

ok, thx for the help

[fallen arch]

And use vanish on cd to reapply empowered garrotes, let’s not forget

[jaunty hill]

I am in the position of Creating my 2nd Max rank legendary. Dashing or Doomblade? What are you guys using? I ran with Obidience for the most time.

[shadow tusk]

Do you run Frost set

[jaunty hill]

Yes

[fallen arch]

Nobody other than you can make that decision

What covenant? Current gear? Current stats? Preferred content? Access to content?

[shadow tusk]

If ur venthyr most likely dashing if ur necro most likely doom but it’d sim Them

[jaunty hill]

Well I do ask with one you guys use not wich I should use. I definitly should use Dashing but I feel like this is a niche wich only works for now

[shadow tusk]

Ive Been using doom so far with t4 Frost but im swapping to dashing today

As venthyr

[jaunty hill]

I might craft dashing too and hope it will stay stable so I do not have to switch around until I have enough Soul stuff for leggy 3

[jaunty hill]

I am Venthyr, lacking propper Weapons but have otherwise phantastic Gear. I do raid a mix of Hc and Mythic. But more Hc since most of us quitted Wow after the harrassmant stuff

[carmine dawn]

Just do dashing fuck it

No one can see the future

[fallen arch]

What would make it unstable?

I don't see any buffs/nerfs to either db or dashing coming soon

[carmine dawn]

It’s not getting nerfed this late

[jaunty hill]

Yeah I probably will craft Dashing

Sims told me, you told me. I should be fine ❤️

[carmine dawn]

235 dashing sims higher than my 262 doom

But 40 dps isn’t the reason we’re wiping on prog

[worthy cliff]

Players leaving wow for the harassment?

[fallow estuary]

Am i missing something?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29rqmN3o1FjgpALL5eCbP7

Why is necro so much stronger than venth for me

[burnt star]

Ur necro has an empowered conduit btw on a potency

[fallow estuary]

Yea but thats only 30dps

[limber lion]

You should be simming with Lashing Scars.

[burnt star]

And that^

[fallow estuary]

Ah, i'll retry

[burnt star]

Lashing scar is our best conduit

Also. If u do this mostly for raiding. I would sim with ep/vigor

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nZzzKyMqAQaTdZkM6w8SwT

[hollow river]

Hey Cev, from a prog stand point, you think EP-Vig-PB is better for every fight right?

[limber lion]

Not every fight

But yeah, most fights.

[burnt star]

As we dont really use bs/ds. Except foe gardian (and maybe remnant)

[hollow river]

Oh

Thought I remembered you saying every fight

Maybe you said most

[limber lion]

Definitely not

We do not run PB every fight

[burnt star]

Did u try bs/ds cev on wvery fight

[hollow river]

O:

[fallow estuary]

Thanks mate

[hollow river]

Which fights would you run CT?

[burnt star]

I think i saw u write u would try this next reset

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'll try it this reset with my new legendary and whatnot

[hollow river]

I usually just play Sub on fights with add waves

But I’m trialing with a mythic guild

And Sin is definitely safer

[burnt star]

I tried in heroic with my fellow rogue who do usualy similar damage. And it wasnt conclusive.

[hollow river]

You run CT on soulrender/Fatescribe? Or which bosses

[limber lion]

Soulrender, Fatescribe and KT at least.

[hollow river]

Kk I actually didn’t go to phylactory on my reclear heroic last night

I played PB upstairs

I still did good dam just spreading rupts around on stuff for energy

CT would’ve banged tho

Thanks sir

[burnt star]

On heroic. It could be a hit or miss.. if the add stay alive forever. Thats good

In my group they get nuked

[hollow river]

U can still use like 3cp ruptures on them

Because u will get energy regen even after the add dies

For whatever the duration was left

I used FoK on the ice spikes, and the little adds to spread poisons. And on the big adds after he dies each phase

I was energy saturated for a lot of the fight lol.

[patent quartz]

why does my doomblade sim 100dps more than my dashing with frost lmao https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPi4FjhoXCynRXXwnJQn6u

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sZQKeUbfuwMtESDVbZQmNd

[harsh lantern]

what’s ur frost rank

[patent quartz]

4

[harsh lantern]

hmm idk I’m pretty similar but 235 dashing beats my 262 doomblade

[shadow brook]

So dumb that changing soulbind doesnt reset the timer on theotar buff... Imagine if it was bis to swap spec every 2. boss, just not possible 😦

[hollow river]

Covenant?

[patent quartz]

Necro

[hollow river]

That’s why

Dashing pulls ahead for Venthyr easier

[hushed timber]

why though?

[winter vapor]

is there a line to add to sim your vault choices?

[wary pawn]

anyone else lost like 60 dps in sims? same gear 2 days ago lmao

[winter vapor]

simc*

[plain thistle]

open vault and do a /simc

[patent quartz]

@hollow river ah i guess it does with extra bleed

[plain thistle]

it will get all your vaults options and you can use top gear

[hollow river]

Venthyr gets more haste so you can stack crit even harder for frost dashing

[winter vapor]

@plain thistle tyvm

[deft obsidian]

Also it’s the capstone of Nadija. Huge crit

[hollow talon]

Apparently there was an update

[worthy cliff]

Couldn't leave my necrobros for a bit of dps

[patent quartz]

@hollow river should i play doomblade then ?

[weary marten]

guys are you pulling energy as venthyr right before flag ? i seem to reach only like ~20 stacks (playing Deeper stratagem though)

[hollow river]

You mean the update to frost shards on raidbots?

[hollow river]

Until dashing sims higher, sure

Or have u not crafted anything

[wary pawn]

gotta love these updates

[patent quartz]

i crafted both but doomblade is rank6

[hollow river]

Why deeper? O.o

[patent quartz]

dashing is 235

[weary marten]

sims higher so i trusted it

[hollow river]

That could also cause a bit of dps to lean towards doomblade unless u simmed 262 dashing too

[gusty mirage]

That’s about normal for sin

[hollow river]

Most people only play BS/deeper on Guardian of the first ones

[gusty mirage]

20-24 stacks is average

[hollow river]

But oxi

U DO pool a bit before flag

Right?

[weary marten]

rest of time we go for vigor ?

[hollow river]

Not gonna make a big diff but I think u do pool

[weary marten]

vigor / EP ?

[hollow river]

Yeah EP/vigor

[gusty mirage]

I full send my first flag to get it on CD and end up with about 24ish stacks

[hollow river]

Same

[weary marten]

that's probably cuz of vigor, i starve energy quick with DS

[gusty mirage]

But yeah for others you’d pool a bit so you don’t get like 17 stacks and be sad

[deft obsidian]

28 stack dream a few times on painsmith opener last week, felt subbish 😂

[gusty mirage]

I hit 29 on soulrender last night

Lust helped

[weary marten]

even when reaching only 20-24 stacks, obedience is better ?

[hollow river]

I’ve gotten 29 once during lust

[deft obsidian]

Gotta love the huge crit. Nothing worse with the old unholy build getting zip crits in openers 😭

[hollow river]

Depends a lot on your build. Sim yourself with other legendaries if you’d like to.

[weary marten]

says scoundrel is higher in 235 even when not frost build

[hollow river]

O:

[gusty mirage]

You probably have a bunch of crit which synergizes well with scoundrel

[hushed timber]

Doomblade still simming higher for me even though venthyr nadjia

But I'm still rank 4 unholy

I guess frost would change that?

[hollow river]

That’s prolly why, unholy

[hollow river]

Maybe

Depends on your crit and the rest of your gear

Sim sim sim

[deft obsidian]

Just do a little top gear sim with frost r4

Zoom zoom

[gusty mirage]

Most likely yea but as others said double check before committing to anything 🙂

Finally go my frost to r4 last night too

It pumps

[winter vapor]

I'm still waiting on gems/dom socket gear 😦

[deft obsidian]

2 weeks until r5, then we popping

[arctic hare]

Whew, we’re starting heroic next week

[runic maple]

any1 know if simulationcraft includes dom sets? I loose about 300 dps when changing to frost set (gear change is a -4% downgrade)

[gusty mirage]

[hushed timber]

Lashing scars upgrade going to be good

[deft obsidian]

They actually seem to be better than I initially figured, the enhanced conduits

[gusty mirage]

Make sure you’re simming with the nightly build and not the weekly build

[runic maple]

i c

[patent quartz]

My sims are weird Frost Doom > Frost Dashing > Unholy doom

[deft obsidian]

Crit % sora?

[patent quartz]

45%

[burnt star]

U are necrolord

[hushed timber]

Aren't you necro as well?

[patent quartz]

yeyte

[deft obsidian]

Kekw

[hushed timber]

Ye low haste

[deft obsidian]

More obvious than I figured

[hollow river]

I’ll be 4 Embers from R5 this week 🙃

[burnt star]

Necro favors doomblade

[gusty mirage]

you’re actually about to transcend to pumper supreme soon

[burnt star]

Ur spike also increase envenom damave

[patent quartz]

then i gotta check if i need to go back venthyr

zzz

[hushed timber]

I can go rank 5 unholy this week sadge

[hollow river]

Ye H sylv dagger last night made my month

[gusty mirage]

I asked my RL if we could clear heroic tomorrow after remnant and he never responded

[hushed timber]

pug sylv kek

[deft obsidian]

Wtb

[hearty lagoon]

Hey i got a Question: Is the Sylvanas Dagger on 233 in Offhand always the pick? because Raidbots says i should use my 236m+ Dagger over the Sylvanas one and i´m not sure if i should trust it XD

[gusty mirage]

It is safe to trust the robot

[burnt star]

U should

233 edge of night is shit

[hushed timber]

Unless you play sub

[burnt star]

For us

[gusty mirage]

[burnt star]

On a 5 min fight it dis like 180 dps

According to my aim weight. A 236 dagger stat would have given me 180 dpa

Thats only with secondary stat

[spice spire]

[burnt star]

Tldr: It doesnt really so a lot of damage*

[hushed timber]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pHwZLfucBW2Yj811PJBrUZ - Doom - Unholy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3MyjGZPDYAL87MVNKKELRU - Dashing - Unholy
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pEU6us2Ps4dCsgZFL9tTS6 - Dashing - Frost

What crit percentage do you guys have that dashing starts out performing? (I'm on 32%)

[spice spire]

Higher than 32

[burnt star]

My sims tells me to equip 45%...

So i have 45

But even with that. It wasnt until i had 262 dashing that it put it ahead of doomblade

With ep/vig. Doomblade at 262> daahing 235

And. Dashing 262>obedience 262> doomblade 262

[hushed timber]

I don't know how to get more crit, I've got Decanter + crit major on most of my stuff, if not major then crit secondary + sockets on everything that can take sockets and only get to 41

[tacit wedge]

Meanwhile my rogue is broken and dashing frost outsim doom unholy despite both being r4+having 31% crit

[worthy cliff]

ohh nice ill try it with my 30% just gotta get r6 dashing soon

[alpine latch]

Finally got my KT shoulders last night. It's from normal, but it was a bigger upgrade than my vault was so I'm excited.

[runic maple]

shld I yolo my cinders in to r6 dashing? been holding off but it seems like dashing is the endgame

I guess we truly never know what the endgame is kek

[alpine latch]

I'm r4 Frost with 36% crit and Dashing isn't that big of an upgrade for me right now. It's a 21 DPS upgrade over Obe and Doomblade is a 16 DPS loss.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vYHGo27qpr8yfFp5n6j7FA

Current gear is with Obe

[runic maple]

damn that ring tho

[alpine latch]

That was my vault item from yesterday. Not a big DPS upgrade, but a buttload of crit

[hushed timber]

63 renown is this weeks cap, right?

[alpine latch]

62

[hushed timber]

ah

[thorny pond]

You can sim it. It is good with the right circumstances

[arctic venture]

Guys what is the best shards for now?

[thorny pond]

Your set bonus + the other 2 dps shards

[arctic venture]

Using frost at moment, and Im necrolord.

[thorny pond]

Sim yourself for best bet

[timid talon]

I would

[runic maple]

any1 know if I have to enable dom sets in the simulationcraft program? I get about 500 less dmg here compared to raidbots. I am using the nightly build

[pale plank]

@alpine latch this me with dashing frost, both rank 4 and 40% crit

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9WFVWB5ZytoQ2VdSNcnpvm

[alpine latch]

Yeah - I wasn't flexxing damage I was just showing how close DS and Obe are

[pale plank]

I feel like I will be simming way past 9k at ur ilvl

Just what I feel like

[alpine latch]

Obe/DS/Doomblade is within like 45 DPS for me

You have 4 Dom sockets, so right now you probably will be lol

I only have 3 Dom sockets and I haven't even gotten a m+ dagger to drop for me, so gear wise I'm behind

[arctic venture]

to upgrade de shard you have to unsocket it and upgrade?

[limber lion]

Yes.

[arctic venture]

damn that´s a lot of stygia.

[real bay]

no

[pseudo nimbus]

Is Titanic Ocular Gland any good?

[real bay]

the item you remove shards with is permanent

[hushed timber]

no

[pseudo nimbus]

It's siming quite well but I will most probably go for 252 arachnid cypher ring with socket. Thank you!

[shell cloud]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sJHirH9wjcytnXnSgSnADg too much 226 items

[arctic venture]

Oh truely nice.

[woeful wigeon]

if you got 45% crit you have a 10% penalty on crit stats says my addon so i got 41 then i got 1049/1050 crit

233illv

[warm parcel]

Dont think you understand what the crit dr is

Just ignore any nonsense bout it and use sim

[hollow river]

You you need to enable it lol

[pale plank]

Yep, this right here. If sim is telling u that crit keeps giving u dps, then keep get crit

[warm parcel]

Yes

Its also not entirely true to just blanket state 45% crit is when the penalty hits

[winged basin]

Specially when every character has different weights depending on gear

I am almost KSM boys 1964 and have a 12 tyrannical times for Theater so I think I can get KSM this week?

[warm parcel]

[pale plank]

Yes yes yes u can, this week is super easy compared to last week

[winged basin]

I think I’m gonna have to do like 17 theater + 2 15s on some other keys. I didn’t notice I don’t have a fortified PF time so missed out

[bleak sun]

Yay 247 with 0 raid stuff /0 dom socket thing

[winged basin]

Sheeeeeesh

[pale plank]

Oh no! At least go do normal, it’s super easy, those Dom shards gives good buff

[bleak sun]

Raid require time to clear it i can only play 1hr/day

[alpine latch]

Yeah, optimizing your character without playing multiple game modes is impossible. It's one of my gripes about the game (and I understand you don't HAVE to optimize). I just look back and Conflict and Strife from BFA being BiS for so many DPS specs

If you're even somewhat m+ geared, you can join a guilds alt run on Normal. They usually fly through Normal

You won't get a full clear in an hour but you'd probably get 4-5 bosses

Usually Tuesday/Wednesday nights are good to join a guild who's missing a DPS or two and Saturday/Sunday nights for alt runs on guilds

Pop in when you can, leave when you need to

[winged basin]

1 hr a day and better geared then me, I’d say you are doing pretty good for yourself besides the dom sockets

[untold wagon]

is it better to stack up som energy & CP before using shiv, or just use it on whenever ready?

[runic maple]

Where?

[fallen arch]

In ilvl maybe, cant be better geared this tier without raiding

[pseudo hamlet]

Is there something wrong with raidbot/sims?
It tells me that if I swap my Dyz with Kyr shard from chest to the hands and vice versa I will receive +154 DPS bonus.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5JLtdiAwHLKCHKgiUSvtd

[primal falcon]

How should I open fight (all round - quests, dungeons etc) in one guide it’s stated to put Mark for death and then Snd and then regular rotation with garrote, rupture and so on. The other one says to open with garrote, and use mark for death outside stealth if you don’t have cp

[winged basin]

Ye that’s what I mean should’ve been slightly more specific my r4 frost puts me up there

[pseudo hamlet]

It's really worth 154 DPS?

[warm parcel]

easily

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks for clarification!

[alpine garden]

You skirmish. Eternally. The dps gain is unlimited.

[narrow ravine]

15 stygian embers short of t5 frost 😦

[pine grove]

Any of you champions know how many embers those named mobs give in SoD on M difficulty? I can't remember.

[unkempt mountain]

I think 4? Not sure if some are less

maybe thats just bosses I might be wrong actually

"1 Stygian Ember per difficulty starting from normal." according to WoWhead comment. I did it earlier tonight but it all blurs together sorry

[pine grove]

Yeah. I saw that. If they're right, fantastic - I'm golden. But it blurred together for me too so I can't quite remember.

[regal ledge]

We swap to frost shards?

[warm parcel]

named mobs always drop the same

bosses increase

[pine grove]

Ah. Do you remember if it's 2 or 3 then? Got a feeling it's 2.

[winter vapor]

Depends on your talent setup and your current content

[warm parcel]

or hc and M are the same

not sure

[silent breach]

is there a way to make a macro that will use ambush over mutilate when it procs from BS

[warm parcel]

as I never get embers from mythic named mobs after hc clear

its just the same

[silent breach]

or is that not possible

[unkempt mountain]

dashing frost is simming better for me, check pins and sim yourself

[primal falcon]

So there is no general rule?

[pale plank]

I would follow ur sim opener, usually it will go something like Mut, SnD, Mut, Garrote, Vendetta, Rupture, vanish, Mut for CP into Shiv then envenom and so on

[scenic root]

Dashing would be crafted crit/haste?

[pale plank]

Yes

[hollow river]

Lots of gripes yo

[winter vapor]

@primal falcon generally speaking if your Master Assassin Talented you open with muti or SBS if subterfuge you open with multiple garrotes

[hollow river]

Same

[alpine latch]

Most of my gripes are me being salty about not getting loot to be honest. I don't even believe my own bullshit.

99% of the time I'm talking out of my ass

The GV was amazing when I got my 226 Phial. It was shit the next week when I got nothing but downgrades

[narrow ravine]

its a scratch off lotto ticket

once a week

[pale plank]

In my opinion, I think they should at least maybe the vault not give u any duplicates, there was one week that I got like 2 wrist in the vault from raid and I already had one of them

[alpine latch]

100%. I don't enjoy the pure RNG aspect of the game, but I also know it's not going anywhere. While I may not particularly enjoy it, I still actively participate in it.

[hollow river]

I got pretty lucky this week so I’m happy

[hollow talon]

i got 252 phial early on

[narrow ravine]

feels bad to put forth a lot of effort to get 10, +15s in only to get things you cant use or downgrades

[hollow river]

H sylv dagger from sylv and 252 outlaw wep from vault

[hollow talon]

everything since then has been SHIT

i took research this week

[alpine latch]

jesus...

[hollow river]

I only did 1 +15 last week

[pale plank]

God damn

[hollow river]

And got 252 outlaw wep

Now I’ll grind 10 a week

[alpine latch]

I got that nasty crit ring this week, but my normal KT shoulders that I got last night was a bigger upgrade. Most of my DPS increase from the ring was just because it came socketed

[harsh lantern]

dw Palmer my GV has been worse than current equip for weeks

[hollow river]

Since I replaced my 213 outlaw wep

[harsh lantern]

got salv amp from weekly tho

[narrow ravine]

they need badluck currency, if you dont get anything in the vault give us 10 coins of pepe, and a vendor where we can buy any 252 item off it for 50 coins, 5 weeks of bad luck becomes working towards a goal

[fallow estuary]

How did you get a dagger and outlaw weapon in 1x vault?

[narrow ravine]

thats all we really want

[alpine latch]

I got Decanter from the weekly

[fallow estuary]

Can you set more than 1x loot spec?

[hollow river]

No

[fallow estuary]

Ah

[alpine latch]

I think he was saying he got both, but not necessarily the same week

[fallow estuary]

i read it again

nvm

<3

[harsh lantern]

He said dagger from raid

[fallow estuary]

<--Stupid :)

[hollow river]

Yeah it was my aotc kill too

🙃

[cedar star]

I know the heroic Sylv ring is a ton of crit, but I actually think I’m going to run double M+ crit haste rings to try to keep my haste over 500. Haste and crit are already starting to pull even at 41% crit, 12% haste

[harsh lantern]

pog

[alpine latch]

I'm hoping this will be my last week for pugging heroic Sylv

[narrow ravine]

people just want to know their work is going to pay off down the road, not complete rng on if you ever get the thing you are working towards

[cedar star]

It might sim less, but I don’t like dumping that much haste

And the sim diff is minor

[harsh lantern]

I’m in a guild still feels like pug heroic XD

[hollow river]

Oof

[hollow river]

I was too

But now I’m trialing with a good guild

[harsh lantern]

lucky

[alpine latch]

Yeah - we are 8/10. We'll easily kill KT this week but IDK how much time we'll have for Sylvanas so it'll probably be next week

[hollow river]

Just hope I make the cut

[harsh lantern]

No one wants rogues

sadge

[cedar star]

Then they are dumb

[hollow river]

It can be hard

[harsh lantern]

plus thrall is dead realm

[hollow river]

But u can find a guild

[harsh lantern]

need to swap

[hollow river]

I’m on a dead realm

More dead than thrall

I’m on Arthas

[alpine latch]

Come over to Area 52

[harsh lantern]

I was last tier

Plain Jane baby

[hollow river]

I was going to, with my last guild

But I think I am done with that I hope

[harsh lantern]

Area 52 is the move tho

way more prog guild than thrall

[alpine latch]

I used to be Alliance on Burning Legion. Before the last merger I think it only had like 20k max levels and it was a 70/30 split Horde to Alliance

[hollow talon]

woah woah woah

im on thrall

stop calling my realm dead

[hollow dirge]

Yeah becouse great dps+ ability to cheese mechanics , not to mention survive most shit other classes can’t is bad.
On 9/10 wipes my guild has, I’m the last man standing

[harsh lantern]

it’s dead

3 guild play

Everyone else slacks

[alpine latch]

I came over here and joined a Friday-only guild. We aren't super progressed, but the raids are fun and I have 6 nights a week to do whatever I want.

[hollow talon]

i have a home here and i like it

[harsh lantern]

true

Whatever makes you happy tbh

[hollow talon]

i left mal g to come here

[harsh lantern]

I got convinced this was the realm

Then all friends quit

[narrow ravine]

pfft friends

[hollow talon]

i transferred for the guild not the server

[harsh lantern]

played on tich for years

[hollow talon]

but the server is okay

east coast, doesn't lag as much as mal g

[pine grove]

Oh yeah. We're like cockroaches. Everyone else died ages ago and we're still scurrying about the ruins looking for stuff to stab.

[harsh lantern]

yeah thrall is perfect for me

I get 30 world

[narrow ravine]

friends just hold you back... hold you... hold me, sob

[harsh lantern]

We got 3/10 to push this week for mythic so we will see