assassination

[oak sky]

i can focus with all that on my screen

[kind talon]

i mean u probably could

its not that bad

[frosty cedar]

gives me everything I need

[oak sky]

i cant even focus with a weakaura package

[frosty cedar]

thats why u have strong auras

[kind talon]

this is like the same difference

[oak sky]

i unironically like jpc's system

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

just having little WAs for cds

i could do that

everything else is all plater

[frosty cedar]

im addicted to my ui. when i enter combat i feel safe

[oak sky]

i feel safe with an empty middle of the screen

[kind talon]

energy and combo points

[glad siren]

I feel like a tornado is about to crash onto my keyboard

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

i have that alr

seeing everything makes me

[exotic hare]

Looks like my ui

[kind talon]

yep

[oak sky]

i bet you guys blast too

dont know how you do it

[frosty cedar]

by using the cockpit

it lets me blast

[oak sky]

i believe

[frosty cedar]

u have to believe in ur ui

just like it believes in you

[oak sky]

Mine could use some touch up but it does the job

[frosty cedar]

leak

[oak sky]

There is no ui

Its just plater

Literally personal bar and enemy healthbars with dots showing up on them

[frosty cedar]

thats rough buddy

[oak sky]

nah its good

only problem i can identify is moving my eyes for cds

thats the bad shit

[frosty cedar]

thats why i ahve everything in the centre

no need to move eyes

[oak sky]

yeah

all i need is to stop being lazy and set something up

[quasi ledge]

Please don't do another.. "cockpit" :)

[frosty cedar]

do it

its optimal

[oak sky]

im not doing a cockpit

[quasi ledge]

I would sooner have a blank screen

[frosty cedar]

another failed convert

[oak sky]

i just want a little shiv to show up when shiv is off cd

and then the same thing for vanish vendetta flag and trinket

thats it

ill get it done sometime

just not rn

[frosty cedar]

ill be awaiting the results with great interest

[wintry mica]

with scoundrel do you still just slam envenoms and muts during shiv or do you delay envenoms a bit to maximize the buff uptime?

[frosty cedar]

slam with the swiftness

[cobalt pelican]

do you just roll a dice to figure out how many pixels are between your icons

or what

ah unlucky i rolled bad guess these ones are overlapping and offset vertically

[woven crest]

is it normal for doomblade to still sim higher than dashing at 42% crit

[balmy condor]

dashing only wins with high crit, high ilevel, and high frost set

so give that the crit is the only info, seems very reasonable, yes

[woven crest]

ya just 245 ilvl

[balmy condor]

you have r4 frost?

[woven crest]

ya

[balmy condor]

now that sounds a little weird then

link the sim

[wintry mica]

are you simming with bs/ds

[woven crest]

EP / Vigor

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u54VVSupcMGqbqwyU7UMaL

[wintry mica]

also if you are running maim conduit thatll boost doomblade

[woven crest]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bGHy8Vvk1SHXjrbpLbMkSw

honestly im dog at sims

so maybe i fucked something

[balmy condor]

oh

necro

[wintry mica]

ya doesnt SBS bleed count for doomblade

[woven crest]

ya i live in the cave for m+

[balmy condor]

necro is more difficult to get dashing working than venth

[wintry mica]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f6TtCQiPep7EfpTZsiMPGR just reran one with different conduits and bs/ds

[balmy condor]

let me see what I can do

[wintry mica]

tiny difference

[balmy condor]

should really craft a 262 tho

[wintry mica]

ive been hoarding my cinders

not sure if i wanna make r6 dashing now or something else

[balmy condor]

but why

[woven crest]

ya i have the cinders i just have no idea what to make between dashing and doom or if i want my outlaw one

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rKzwJMdCujXqE67Rm4TqSA

yeh

I'm getting similar

dashing and doom bout equal

necro be like that

[wintry mica]

yea venthyr dashing was a lot bigger upgrade for me once i had r4 frost

still getting used to bs/ds tho

[woven crest]

so just probly w/e i like using more i guess

[wintry mica]

do you hold BS proc during shiv or just slam it whenever it comes up?

[woven crest]

i dont run BS at all unless guardian

[wintry mica]

yea ive been using ep/vig for everything but BS/DS is outsimming by a decent amount now

[balmy condor]

BS always replaces the next mutilate you would've done

[woven crest]

Well i appreciate the help ill flip a coin and send it on my 262

[slow marsh]

I mean it's not really a coin flip tho

[warm rapids]

Does blight scale with weapon ilvl?

[balmy condor]

what's blight

[violet jackal]

edge of night effect

[balmy condor]

yes it does

[warm rapids]

f

The normal one does like no dmg

[balmy condor]

it's not great for sin

[warm rapids]

o

[glad siren]

Wait... norm weap isn't great for sin?

[balmy condor]

dagger in general isn't really a rager

[strange python]

This questing i garanteed answered somewhere, but how much better i Vent over necro for Frost build?

[balmy condor]

it's better, that's bout it

there's no real number for that

[strange python]

Is it worth rerolling? In your opinion

[balmy condor]

depends what you're doing

if you play outlaw in keys, probably not

[strange python]

Yeah i play outlaw i keys, outlaw has been feeling kinda meh in damaged this patch tho, and vent sub looks good for m+ anyway

[narrow ravine]

finally got it, phial dropped for me

[keen dirge]

what horde race do yall think is the best for outlaw/assassination rogues?

[balmy condor]

blood elf or orc because troll is unplayable with their fucking toes sticking out of every mog

and also because the difference is super super minimal

[keen dirge]

oh i know its absolutely minuscule but i still like to know ;D (not the transmog side)

[dark token]

Orc cause it looks good, and blood fury

[keen dirge]

im actually orc now and i hate it .-.

[balmy condor]

looks like zandalri troll is 6 dps better than goblin, which is 3 dps better than vulpera, which is 3 dps better than troll, which is 2 dps better than belf

so

zand troll

apparently

[keen dirge]

goblin it is, thanks.

[young nacelle]

nightborne rogues rise up

[quasi venture]

Standard troll Sims 40 ish dps more then belf for me but toes

[full tendon]

The toes are awesome wdym

The run is the goofiest tho

[keen dirge]

@quasi venture how do you sim race?

[fathom swift]

race=x

[cedar star]

Is there any horde rogue race but undead?

If you aren’t a shoeless homeless World of Roguecraft wana be what the point of playing rogue?

[keen dirge]

@fathom swift where do you put that?

[fathom swift]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights#advanced

[keen dirge]

ty sir!

[obtuse robin]

how do i sim past lvl 60 renown

[hollow river]

i read how do i sim past lvl 60

[drowsy hollow]

I am so bad at outlaw, screw that spec at least this week

[balmy condor]

why would you

it's renown=80 tho

if you want to cap

[obtuse robin]

to sim for this tuesday cuz im bored

also

why does raid bots give a different sim then simc does

by like 400 dps

[balmy condor]

are we getting something this week?

[balmy condor]

what does that mean

[obtuse robin]

first row of empowered conduits no?

[balmy condor]

big whoop

[fathom swift]

old version of simc maybe?

[obtuse robin]

uh ok

[balmy condor]

empowered conduit

is just free 40 dps

hyper super poggies

[obtuse robin]

beside the point

obv

but ok

[balmy condor]

whats the point though

[obtuse robin]

past now

[young nacelle]

[fathom swift]

is raidbots ui set up to deal with empowered conduits yet?

[balmy condor]

yes

[fathom swift]

i havent looked

[balmy condor]

it adds a yellow ring

[fathom swift]

ez

does it do it based on renown or you gotta manually empower them

[balmy condor]

It should handle it naturally

from renown

[fathom swift]

hopefully also rotates conduits through empowered slot automatically

[obtuse robin]

[fathom swift]

?

[solemn marlin]

is it normal that dashing sims lower at r4 frost with 40% crit?

[cedar star]

Compared to?

[solemn marlin]

doomblade

[balmy condor]

are you below like 245 ilvl, or are you not venthyr

[solemn marlin]

both

[balmy condor]

then it's normal

[solemn marlin]

necro 242

i see then thanks ^^

[balmy condor]

if you're not venth, it's kinda hard to make dashing work

[oak sky]

brb swapping necro so i dont have to get soul ash for dashing

[hollow river]

If only

I should have 262 dashing this coming week

[oak sky]

how do people have the money for this ill never know

ill have a 235 dashing if i do torghast, but it should sim lower

[solemn marlin]

i see some ppl playing kevin on the top ones as necro but it simmed lower also

[hollow river]

Money?

[oak sky]

gold

[hollow river]

Oh

Idk

Someone in guild crafts for me

For mats so it’s like 20-30k for 262 stuff

[oak sky]

what about korthite

[hollow river]

I’ve been in like 3 guilds in passed few weeks but that’s been the case in all 3

[oak sky]

i crafted a 262 a few weeks ago

and i brought most of my own korthite but i still spent 60k

[hollow river]

U can get korthite from korthia

[oak sky]

yeah

but like

40 is a lot

[hollow river]

:?

Idk about that

[oak sky]

i had like 30 when i crafted my 262 doomblade

[hollow river]

I had like 80 at tier 4 codex

[oak sky]

what the hell

[hollow river]

And I’m a casual korthia doer

[oak sky]

i dont do all rares and all boxes or anything

[hollow river]

Oh

You should try to do those sometimes

But that’s not a big korthite supply

[oak sky]

ive done every daily every day

[hollow river]

Dailies give like 5 or something don’t they? Like 1 of the dailies almost everyday

[oak sky]

and i open a couple boxes and do a few rares

[hollow river]

Idk

[oak sky]

they give like 1 or 2

[hollow river]

Haven’t done korthia in like 2 weeks now I need to get back on it

Idk I had a bunch of them

[oak sky]

i probably just need to open more boxes

and do more rares

[hollow river]

Maybe

[warm saffron]

I crafted 262 doomblade, 262 arcane harmony and 262 Wilfred's Sigil of Superior Summoning all in 3 weeks without buying extra korthite 👀

Now to get a second 262 for each of them

[oak sky]

god damn

[warm saffron]

Zoldyck for rogue obv

Maybe celerity but I'm not missing outlaw that much yet

...yeah zoldyck

[oak sky]

i just dont have the patience to hard farm

[warm saffron]

Me neither

I just do the dailies and whatever chests or rares are in the way on my rogue, mage and warlock

👀

[rotund oak]

but u dont have patience to farm

which contradicts the original statement :p

[warm saffron]

quiet

[oak sky]

i dont understand

how you can have 80

[drifting cloud]

easily?

[oak sky]

when i do like the same thing

[warm saffron]

120*

[drifting cloud]

you get 2-3 per day on average

[glad siren]

i posted this in the wrong group but, did someone earlier say that sylv dagger isn't great for assassin? i thought norm dagger in offhand was outdpsing 252 offhand and heroic on main hand was out performing 252 mainhand? is this wrong?

[oak sky]

i get like 1 or 2

[rotund oak]

it takes alts to farm cristals,3 per day in average,with 5 alts u can craft as many leggos as u want

[balmy condor]

heroic in offhand beats a 252 for most people

[rotund oak]

im playing 4 rogues for that 😛

[balmy condor]

but it's close

just sim yourself

[rotund oak]

Whispyr ❤️

[drifting cloud]

theyre also a q reward almost every 2nd day, 3days ago I got 6 or 7 in 1day with actual luck

[warm saffron]

Anyway the prices will likely keep going down, most people don't want 2nd legendaries, let alone 2nd 262s

[balmy condor]

how u doin bb

[warm saffron]

But then again there's non-rwf people with rank 5 legendaries which is an absolute waste so what do you know

[rotund oak]

Flexing my curve + 3/10 M,pretty happy but a long way to go 😛

[balmy condor]

hype

[reef axle]

On soulrender, do we spam crimson tempest, or just apply it and go back to envenom spam?

[fallen arch]

Never spam ct

Apply dot and move on

[reef axle]

Yeah hardly ever used ct, so In cleave situations our goal is to just apply and move on similar to what we do in mythic plus?

[fallen arch]

If you have ct talented you always apply it

Even on st

Outside of shiv windows

[reef axle]

Hmm k so even cleaving soulrender adds, we just apply it and back to envenom

[fallen arch]

Yes

But its a waste to spam it when dot is up

Just apply and refresh in pandemic window like all other dots

[shadow tusk]

If the adds have 100% dmg taken and ur grp is struggling with add damage you Can spam it

[fallen arch]

Dude no

You never spam ct ever

[balmy condor]

okay

but what if

you have 37 energy regen

and you're saturated

and it's 7.5 targets

and an explosive orb

and I'm playing unholy, and I'm about to get a proc

[tulip nacelle]

[balmy condor]

so I hearth out, swap legendaries to deathly, vanish, get summoned back in

[fallen arch]

That’s more information than my brain can handle

[balmy condor]

and then pop a wod agi pot

would I spam CT then

[tulip nacelle]

I think that you can use ct every 2 seconds then

[fallen arch]

No

[balmy condor]

fuck

[fallen arch]

I have the feeling its only worth to use twice when a pack is like 15+ mobs

So u can get the dot up on more targets

[oak sky]

thats not a feeling

thats a fact

🙂

well i can craft 235 dashing now i did torghast

[strange moss]

is there a quick tldr for how to use flagellation? i accidently cov swapped

[oak sky]

build to max-1 cp then flag then use the finisher

[strange moss]

ez thanks mates

[oak sky]

and use it on cd blah blah blah

[potent dagger]

Build to max cp or max -1 , energy pool , flag then finisher , then stack as many finisher as possible during flag debuff

[clear shadow]

anyone know if shadowgrasp is bugged i cant seem to get it to reduce the cd?

[balmy condor]

it reduces if it kills the thing it's hitting

[clear shadow]

yeah it doesnt work for me

[oak sky]

it has to die during the duration not after

idk if thats what it is

[clear shadow]

yes i agrro the mob and use it

i let it kill it

and it doesnt give me the cdr

[oak sky]

thats weird it always works for me

[viral aurora]

Is there a best time during the week to change covs? And if you do, you Keep 100% progression with the old cov?

[oak sky]

i dont think it matters when

if youve been the new covenant before you have to do a swap quest and you want it done before the reset

and you keep all progression if you go back

[viral aurora]

Ty bro!

[oak sky]

np

[drowsy hollow]

Swapping covenants is something I actually haven't done this expansion

I kinda plotted out all my characters in beta

[oak sky]

i was necro for a few weeks at the end of 9.0

but i started venthyr and came back when 9.1 dropped

[drowsy hollow]

I messed around with all the abilities on the beta and had a good idea of which I liked.

[lusty surge]

Does CT smart select targets in a pack that don't already have the dot like this? Or is it total rng

[fallen arch]

Nope

[oak sky]

its closest i think

[fallen arch]

Rng

[balmy condor]

[lusty surge]

Kk ty

[fallen arch]

Smart targeting would be awesome

[bronze heath]

Hey, im playing venthyr and always get to 20 stack minimum. If i have let's say 22 stacks and got 3 CP but will get only 1 GCD before i can't stack, should i evenom at 3 or mutilate and do the normal rotation? It happens quite a lot of time, and usaly i do my normal rotation, what is opti?

[oak sky]

small indie company cant pull that off

[balmy condor]

is it the afternoon?

or the morning?

[fallen arch]

In EU almost

[oak sky]

lmao

[balmy condor]

oh and whats your astrology sign

[drowsy hollow]

My rogue was always gonna be Venthyr for transmog, enjoying flagellation mini game was a bonus

[balmy condor]

is saturn in retrograde

[lusty surge]

Aight if you're tired of hearing all the usual questions I got a good one for ya

Will true bearing reduce my CDs without having restless strikes

[fallen arch]

Finish at 4

[balmy condor]

fuck

[oak sky]

wait

is there like

a channel

[balmy condor]

[oak sky]

where you can view most of your questions

and their answers

?

[soft shale]

new tech

dont tell anyone

[balmy condor]

what about like a question that happens a lot

[fallen arch]

I don’t know what any of those words mean

[lusty surge]

I played count the odds in m+ last night

[balmy condor]

and you write that down

[oak sky]

oh like

a question thats asked frequently

[lusty surge]

But I couldn't tell if I got any CDR from true bearing

[balmy condor]

sure

that sounds good

[lusty surge]

Cuz I only got two procs

[balmy condor]

but like "question thats asked frequently" is so long

maybe we can come up with an acronym or something

QAF

[fallen arch]

We don’t do that here

[lusty surge]

I'm trying to give you something more interesting to answer 🤣

[balmy condor]

and you know what

I have no idea

let me think

[fallen arch]

By asking pirate questions in sin channel?

[balmy condor]

for a second

no no

this is a good brain teaser

he's valid

[kind talon]

boutta test it

rn

[balmy condor]

okay

[kind talon]

putting on my thinking cap

[balmy condor]

I'm saying no

[oak sky]

brb swapping to my outlaw soulbind

[lusty surge]

I see a bug report about true bearing not working on outlaw rogues who haven't learned restless strikes

[balmy condor]

because true bearing is a modifier

on restless

[lusty surge]

But that's on wowhead for the 9.0 prepatch

[balmy condor]

and so it wouldn't proc on sin

[kind talon]

and this is restless

but maybe

just maybe

it reduces vanish cd

[balmy condor]

no

[kind talon]

that would be quite funny

[balmy condor]

cause the passive doesn't exist

true bearing would do nothing

[kind talon]

yeah

[lusty surge]

I had 2m30s uptime of skull and crossbones

[kind talon]

this is my idea as well

[lusty surge]

It was so sad

[cursive silo]

It was bugged for a while in outlaw leveling because you got rtb before restless

[oak sky]

if it was good blizzard would remove it

[cursive silo]

I assume it never got fixed

[oak sky]

fun detected

[kind talon]

🤖

[cursive silo]

So TB shouldn’t work without restless

[lusty surge]

Aight thanks guys hehe

[kind talon]

https://tenor.com/view/police-siren-siren-gif-14993722

[cursive silo]

Skulls and crossbones sadly doesn’t make your mutilate proc gunshots

[lusty surge]

Yeah too bad

[kind talon]

ok

so

i dont think broadsides works

sec

[balmy condor]

it should work on shiv, and ambush

specifically

[kind talon]

yeah

it wasnt working with mut

[balmy condor]

god I'm such a fucking nerd

[kind talon]

but worked with shiv

[balmy condor]

[lusty surge]

How do you just know that offhand lol

[cursive silo]

Cuz its whitelisted

[kind talon]

and ER

[lusty surge]

Nice can't wait to play TTB and CTO

[balmy condor]

shiv and ambush are whitelisted

[lusty surge]

Ah

[balmy condor]

and available to all specs

[cursive silo]

And sbs

[balmy condor]

mutilate wouldn't be a whitelisted spell

[cursive silo]

Would work too

[balmy condor]

cov abilities would work yeah

[lusty surge]

It's too bad that half these abilities don't apply

[cursive silo]

RP should be the same right

[lusty surge]

I was thinking I'd craft toxic onslaught and play CTO

[kind talon]

still havent gotten

true bearing

[lusty surge]

And be a store brand outlaw

[kind talon]

LOL

[cursive silo]

Wait no

They actually whitelisted spells of other specs

For ruthless precision

[balmy condor]

[cursive silo]

What

[balmy condor]

they're outlaw only

so we whitelist outlaw stuff

[kind talon]

this is so weird

i havent gotten tb

[cursive silo]

Every rogue spell is in RP whitelist

[balmy condor]

oh

yeh sounds like something

[lusty surge]

I had about 27% uptime on CTO buffs in a 25 min dungeon

[balmy condor]

it's probably like copy paste master assassin lego

[lusty surge]

Only got TB twice

[balmy condor]

with a different multiplier

or some shit

[cursive silo]

So its 50/50 of getting a buff that works on cto

[kind talon]

currently losing my belief in the existence of TB

[cursive silo]

Sounds like bis to me

[lusty surge]

I mean it only sims 40dps lower than maim mangle in st for me lol

[kind talon]

so uh

[lusty surge]

I figured all the restealths in m+ might make it a fun meme

[kind talon]

grand melee

doesnt work

[lusty surge]

Lol

[balmy condor]

and people wonder why cto is awful

on sin

[cursive silo]

How can melee not work

[kind talon]

it just

doesnt work

i dont think sin finishers count

as a combo point

[civic trellis]

wait

[kind talon]

[civic trellis]

does CTO work for sin?

lol

[kind talon]

you get the rtb buff

but the rtb buff dont work

[balmy condor]

yeah you get the buffs

[civic trellis]

wtf

[balmy condor]

but they don't do anything

[kind talon]

meanwhile i still havent gotten

TB

[lusty surge]

This dead conduit is only barely worse than maim manhle

[cursive silo]

But the other prt works

Right

[lusty surge]

Lel

[cursive silo]

The leech or whatever

Is it leech

[kind talon]

ok

i got TB

[lusty surge]

25% I think?

[kind talon]

it doesnt work

[lusty surge]

Not even for shiv?

[balmy condor]

I remember the start of nathria people were like YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CTO ON SIN ITS SO GIGA SICK HOLY SHIT YOU GET ALL THESE BUFFS AND WHATEVER AND ITS SO GOOD ON OUTLAW AND WE AMBUSH MORE THAN OUTLAW IT MUST BE HUGE

there was like

a good 3 weeks of that

[lusty surge]

Ahhh

[oak sky]

what im seeing is i need to go cto

[balmy condor]

till everyone got off their rocker

[civic trellis]

XDDD

[balmy condor]

and decided to breath some fresh air

[cursive silo]

Whispyr

[lusty surge]

I missed that cuz I was casting spirit shell at that time

[civic trellis]

i missed that damn

[cursive silo]

Is it good

[lusty surge]

Sorry I'm retreading old tech lol

[kind talon]

idk if leech works

[balmy condor]

all good

[cursive silo]

If you roll 100% buried treasure

[kind talon]

well lets take a look

ok

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bPtV6L3dYaXnmDf9/#boss=0&difficulty=0&type=auras&source=1

also

finality works

with rupture for sin

[cursive silo]

Why wouldn’t it

[civic trellis]

dude

what the fuck

its actually true

[balmy condor]

yeah

[cursive silo]

Damn who remembers the rtb buffs got renamed

[balmy condor]

that's also well known from like 6 months ago

[oak sky]

isnt that in the wowhead guide

[cursive silo]

jolly Roger and Shark infested waters

[civic trellis]

dude that must be the most troll log

ever

[oak sky]

Finality: The Rupture buff of this Subtlety legendary does work for Assassination. It does not really make it worth picking though.

[civic trellis]

that's almost art XD

[oak sky]

from wowhead

[kind talon]

i find it extremely funny that this just doesnt work

[balmy condor]

wowhead does have it

[kind talon]

no shot

make me a wowhead writer i just rediscovered the wheel

[gloomy knoll]

hey whispyr

[tulip nacelle]

remember when sin and sub almost played celerity?

[oak sky]

i remembered from way back when i was crafting baby's first zoldyck

[gloomy knoll]

i was comparing some logs between dashing scoundrel and doomblade

[kind talon]

baby's first zoldyck

[gloomy knoll]

and dashing does't really seem to be changing the poison damage

[kind talon]

uwu

[balmy condor]

Guys akaari got nerfed are we playing celerity now

[gloomy knoll]

like only noticable difference i could find in logs was a slight energy gain

over a few minutes

honestly seems like dashing is bugged

either that or i'm just low roll king

[balmy condor]

look at crit rates

and guess

which is dashing

[gloomy knoll]

yea like i notice the crit diff

but the overall damage of the poisons

doesn't really seem to change

much at all

[cursive silo]

Probably whitelisted from one of these 2 builds

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna say wcl jank on that

[kind talon]

@gloomy knoll

take a look at the logs whispyr just linked

and look at the difference between

rupture / garrote crit chance

[oak sky]

seems to be working as intended 🤓

[balmy condor]

no no

he's got a point

[kind talon]

and the deadly poison crit chance

[balmy condor]

he's saying the crit is different

but the damage isn't

[kind talon]

oh

[gloomy knoll]

like

[balmy condor]

time to log in and find out I guess

[gloomy knoll]

i checked multiple sylvanus logs

and doomblade just straight up seems to be better than dashing in p3

for all of them

[kind talon]

wtf

[gloomy knoll]

and the overall poison damage

seems about the same

even with the extra crit from dashing

it's kinda wonky

[oak sky]

yooooo maybe i didnt fuck up making my doomblade 262

[gloomy knoll]

honestly seems bugged

like ngl

[kind talon]

so what ur saying is

[lusty surge]

Please don't tilt me like this

[kind talon]

poisons arent critting

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[kind talon]

[lusty surge]

I can't take crafting another legendary

[gloomy knoll]

or some shit iuno

[kind talon]

no shot

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[balmy condor]

good chance probably, but WCL and crit is fucking silly

[oak sky]

does it only affect the instant hit or only the dot or something

[gloomy knoll]

no clue but dashing does not seem to represent how it's simming

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna go test it myself rq hold on

[gloomy knoll]

like every log of sylv i've seen in p3

doom is just shitting on dashing

[kind talon]

looks like both

[gloomy knoll]

and the overall poison damage is about the same

which is just weird

[kind talon]

ur actually

5head as fuck esra

[oak sky]

legend

[kind talon]

kyrian sin rogue still int as fuck?

[subtle kiln]

frost dies a critiful death

[gloomy knoll]

I might be completely wrong but something seems off to me iuno

[kind talon]

or what

[oak sky]

it definitely seems worth checking out

[gloomy knoll]

Like every log doomblade just does more dam

And poisons seem very similar even with the crits being different

Almost identical tbh

[kind talon]

bro thats so weird

[balmy condor]

it's weird though

cause like

dashing is showing up at the top of guardian and stuff

if it doesn't affect poisons

then that's kinda whack

[gloomy knoll]

Yea is odd

[balmy condor]

aight

I have identical 190 dashing and doomblades

time to cry

[gloomy knoll]

Lmao

I’m assuming I’m wrong and just small sample size shenanigans but had to be sure

[civic trellis]

I'd test it if i had dashing

What does the sim say tho?

[balmy condor]

what the sim says doesn't matter

[gloomy knoll]

Dashing is good in sims but this is checking for bugs

[kind talon]

well

[balmy condor]

it would oversim if it's bugged

[kind talon]

@gloomy knoll

i found 2 logs

with same killtimes

and the dashing log on the right has more crit and more dmg

from poisons

[gloomy knoll]

It has more applications also

[oak sky]

a lot of shit is different between the two logs

[kind talon]

yeah

[gloomy knoll]

Look at the deadly poison lower though

[civic trellis]

Exactly

[oak sky]

control setup

[civic trellis]

Which would make it easier to test in a dummie

[kind talon]

ye the dashing did like 8k more damage

[balmy condor]

what do you think I'm doing

[fallow estuary]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/feLUe66kqUVkakvvProEED

[kind talon]

with approx equal applications

[fallow estuary]

idk if i really wanna swap for 31 dps

[civic trellis]

Ah sorry didnt read you were testing it 😛

[fallow estuary]

esp. because vigor is just simply stronger the more boss movement and downtime you have

[shadow pivot]

The poison are not alot higher than w/ doomblade when playing dashing

it's a minor upgrade

the winds of winter tho

[cursive silo]

15% crit shouldn't be a minor upgrade 🤔

[gloomy knoll]

4 more applications and like 20% more crit

for 8k dps

seems odd

iuno maybe poisons just suck butt lol

[kind talon]

ye

idk

[kind talon]

shit is wack mr

[shadow pivot]

first eye of the jailer kill week 1 w/ doomblade

last one w/ dashing

[kind talon]

wait

[shadow pivot]

Poisons are relatively doing the same dps

had only winds of winter r3 there tho

[kind talon]

does dashing increase envenom crit %

[cursive silo]

yes we are saying it shouldn't be

[kind talon]

[cursive silo]

like that

[kind talon]

im so confused

[balmy condor]

yes

[gloomy knoll]

i mean you can't test it

[shadow pivot]

ik, just backing up with few logs I have to compare

[gloomy knoll]

like that lol

[kind talon]

so envenom counts as one of your "poisons"

or what

[balmy condor]

it counts for dashing

[kind talon]

so dashing makes the envenom buff also buff envenom

[balmy condor]

that's what I said

[kind talon]

yeah but im also an idiot

[cursive silo]

wait

shouldn't there be like

poisons here

[lusty surge]

Looks like ooze is also critting a lot more lol

[gloomy knoll]

doomblade envenoms just do more

even with less crits

[kind talon]

he just sent us a log of dashing envenoms doing way more

[shadow pivot]

overall since playing dashing envenom is always top damage source

(unless its dormazain and winds of winter ends first kek)

[gloomy knoll]

basically same gear

doomblade

dashing

[cursive silo]

set?

[gloomy knoll]

frost on both

[lusty surge]

Crit% is the same on that log?

[kind talon]

that seems quite odd

how is the crit% the same

[lusty surge]

Doesn't make sense

[balmy condor]

seems to be kinda close on dummies

[gloomy knoll]

that's why i have my tinfoil hat on

and think dashing is bugged

[balmy condor]

like

[gloomy knoll]

[gloomy knoll]

and like looking at the energy gain

[balmy condor]

about 350 hits on both

[gloomy knoll]

over multiple minutes on dashing

u only get like

couple hundred energy

which is meh

[balmy condor]

crit is 13% higher

damage is about 10% higher

like that seems reasonable

[drowsy parcel]

it feeds winds of winter

isnt that the entire point

[balmy condor]

what

who gives a shit about frost set

[civic trellis]

Yeah

[drowsy parcel]

thats the entire reason dashing is back on the table

[civic trellis]

That seems pretty good

[balmy condor]

this is about a legendary working or not working

frost set is irrelevant here

[civic trellis]

What's your crit whispyr?

[balmy condor]

38% on this set

[cursive silo]

now do it 10000 times

[drowsy parcel]

i only caught the last part of the discussion sorry, whats the supposed bug with dashing?

[civic trellis]

Pretty accurate imo

[balmy condor]

it's not affecting poisons apparently maybe

but I just hit a dummy and it seems fine

[gloomy knoll]

what about the dot

is that also good

[civic trellis]

350 poison hits should be enough 😛

(i know you jking)

[arctic hare]

The fly gets me every time

[civic trellis]

😄

[balmy condor]

the dot is definitely whack

but there is a crit difference

so I'm assuming maybe just unluck

idk

[arctic hare]

Welp, I can’t switch to frost set rn anyways lol, i went and upgraded unholy set to rank 4 except for one piece of it

[gloomy knoll]

hmmm

[lusty surge]

Can you filter for ticks of deadly during envenom buff?

[balmy condor]

so far seems pretty normal though

[gloomy knoll]

yea nothing too off

[lusty surge]

Maybe you're losing crit% for ticks outside buff

[balmy condor]

aight

here's what we're gonna do

I'm just gonna mut enven a dummy

for 5 min

and log both

brb

[gloomy knoll]

lol

[arctic hare]

Have fun with that, I’m over here debating whether its even worth it to get up and do the 14 i have

[cursive silo]

it's not

[lusty surge]

Lol

[arctic hare]

I would sleep, but thats a lost cause at this point

[lusty surge]

You're gonna get a sylv dagger in box this week so don't bother

[gloomy knoll]

lemme go hit a dummy too i wanna check my diffies

[arctic hare]

Knowing my luck I’ll have a 246 dagger at the same time

[lusty surge]

Prayers

[arctic hare]

Now that I finally actually have killed sylv it’ll be much easier to pug

[lusty surge]

Even if nothing is bugged, at least I learned that with dashing you absolutely have to make sure you pandemic envenoms

To get the benefit

Unless it applies to itself?

[arctic hare]

Wait

[lusty surge]

On first cast

Now I'm not sure if I learned anything 😂

[arctic hare]

Pandemic envenoms???? Huh?

[lusty surge]

The buff from envenom pandemics

[balmy condor]

it applies to itself

[arctic hare]

Really? Isn’t it only a 4 second buff tho?

[gloomy knoll]

oh

did you check the envenom crits

does it seem to be doing more crit on dashing

er critting more

[kind talon]

[gloomy knoll]

that's another thing i noticed in some logs but could just be pure rng from small sample size

[balmy condor]

if you go and send me on a goose chase

[gloomy knoll]

xD

i sorry

[balmy condor]

at 3:30 in the morning

[gloomy knoll]

i just need to know why dashing

seems to be hyper suck noob in sylv p3

when it should be good

Q-Q

[kind talon]

how is dashing hyper suck noob in sylv p3

esra u are a hyper suck noob

[cursive silo]

agree

[balmy condor]

cause he compared logs

and dashing was doing less

thats why we in this bitch to begin with

[gloomy knoll]

yerp

[civic trellis]

can you link the logs

[arctic hare]

I’m just layin here and watchin de show

[gloomy knoll]

don't got em anymore

i was going over it after raid

[arctic hare]

You could say I’m watchin from De Other Side of the screen…

[civic trellis]

XDDD

[gloomy knoll]

i'm go try doomblade out tomorrow tho

[gusty mirage]

Another chapter in RH lore, how esra got shanked

[kind talon]

@gloomy knoll so i just saw

some logs

[balmy condor]

I'm playing 15 apm sin

[kind talon]

where doomblade was beating dashing

and uh

[gloomy knoll]

i basically finish sylv p1 same damage done

[kind talon]

the main difference was PI

[gloomy knoll]

every time

[balmy condor]

the fact I'm able to type between

[kind talon]

btw

[balmy condor]

should give you a sense

of how slow

[gloomy knoll]

i only looked at logs without pi

[kind talon]

the doomblade logs had PI

[civic trellis]

the real outlaw involution

[kind talon]

oh ok

[gloomy knoll]

i'm not braindead xD

[arctic hare]

Terrible

[balmy condor]

like im hitting the dummy atm

[gloomy knoll]

i checked the buffs

[balmy condor]

and typing

[oak sky]

are people playing ct maybe?

[balmy condor]

its fine

[gloomy knoll]

nah like i only compared logs

that could be comparable

[balmy condor]

oh its been 5 min

guess we going 6

[gloomy knoll]

i.e same stats same raid etc

similar buffs

[arctic hare]

Guy, now just imagine, if CT regenerated energy for us

[civic trellis]

CT spamming

[gloomy knoll]

dashing just seems suck in p3

but like i said

it's probably just small sample size rng

i need whispyr senseis guidance to prove myself wrong

[arctic hare]

Yes, ofc it’d have to be less energy than rupture and garrote, but it’d still be pretty cool

[balmy condor]

okay first lego done

now we wait

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[balmy condor]

to give some breathing room

in the log

[kind talon]

most of these logs seem pretty comparable esra san

the one big diff i saw was

lolae and subk log

[balmy condor]

oh bb

[kind talon]

but like

[balmy condor]

the energy is cranking

[kind talon]

LMAO

[gloomy knoll]

yea that one confused me

[kind talon]

in that log the dashing guy had really shitty crit luck on envenoms

like 40% crit in p3

[balmy condor]

its much easier to notice dashing energy

[kind talon]

🤮

[balmy condor]

when its your only source

[gloomy knoll]

xD

i mean dashing energy is pretty meh ngl

is like 1 additional mutilate a minute

[balmy condor]

oh god

[kind talon]

so thats like

15 muts

[arctic hare]

How good would dashing be if it regenerated the same amount of energy as rupture and garrote?

[balmy condor]

and then we need to do math

[kind talon]

on sylv

holy moly

[balmy condor]

to compensate

for envenom uptime

[gloomy knoll]

[kind talon]

[cursive silo]

same as running cto if you only get buried treasure

[balmy condor]

fun

[arctic hare]

What???

[balmy condor]

looks like im not going to bed until 5

[cursive silo]

the pog build

[kind talon]

gn whispyr

im gonna sleep now

i hope u also sleep sometime before tomroww

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[arctic hare]

I still have no idea what cto and buried treasure are

[balmy condor]

yeh check pins tomorrow I guess

[civic trellis]

@gloomy knoll i just checked the logs you were talking about

what was wrong with them?

[lusty surge]

This is the advantage of working at 5am

[civic trellis]

i mean everything is perfectly fine

[gloomy knoll]

just checking to make sure dashing is working properly

that's all

[lusty surge]

I get to bake the noodles of y'all while getting paid

[civic trellis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/pTmRaqAG2DWfBbZL/pTmRaqAG2DWfBbZL#fight=13,13&source=5,47&type=damage-done&translate=true&phase=4

dashing guy got 12%/10.4% more crit in his poisons

and there is a 2% crit diff between them (gear wise)

so 14/12.4

[balmy condor]

@gloomy knoll

fuck you.

[civic trellis]

Hahaha

[gloomy knoll]

lol

i'm assuming i was wrong

[balmy condor]

yeh

[gloomy knoll]

pog

[balmy condor]

I don't need math to see it

its pretty clear

[gloomy knoll]

figured it was just rng shenanigans

[balmy condor]

guess

which one is dashing

[gloomy knoll]

ty though i appreciate it

[balmy condor]

318 to 289

that's pretty gud

[gloomy knoll]

yea

seems to work fine

[civic trellis]

Banshee's blight

Gz 😛

[balmy condor]

heroic btw

[civic trellis]

🙂 gz^2

[balmy condor]

tyty

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

sometimes u must get shanked in the name of science

[cursive silo]

i was waiting for a reaction to the poisoon bomb

but no

[fallow estuary]

Outlaw keeps pulling further n further ahead for me :| But SIN feels that much better in Progress

idk guys

esp. cus ghostly strike and KS singletarget feel so awkward

[civic trellis]

Sin is safeplay imo

WIth pretty good dps

[balmy condor]

Negative damage talent gets no response from me

[cursive silo]

yea thats why it would have been funny

[balmy condor]

I don’t dare recognize it

Even as a joke

[fallow estuary]

Thats true

My guild traded me a 252 mh for outlaw because someone fucked up loot spec and noone needed it

now my outlaw is like 500dps ahead

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8NUaxzq3ow8FqMptmHm1Rm

:|

[arctic hare]

Epic

[civic trellis]

celerity should be crit/haste tho 😛

shouldnt it

That gear, jealous

[arctic hare]

Same

I have the plasma sword from tazavesh and its better cause i still have 220 weapons….

I only wish they made a dagger that was like the plasma sword

[fallow estuary]

Crit/Vers simmed higher for me, maybe i just have weird statweights right now

[civic trellis]

Yeah maybe its because the crit/haste head?

Idk

[balmy condor]

Mannoroth tusks from hellfire

Kinda

[arctic hare]

Hmm

True

But it isn’t blueeee plasma

[balmy condor]

Different colors per difficulty

Green and red both exist

[arctic hare]

Aw crap youre right

Is there blue too?

[balmy condor]

Maybe?

[arctic hare]

Ehh, when I get on I’ll check it out

[slim wagon]

Whispyr that video is that a set wa or you made them yourself? they look really nice

[balmy condor]

The entire UI is mine

https://wago.io/p/Whispyr

Should be all there

[civic trellis]

Is that shadowunitframes?

Your target/own hp bar

[slim wagon]

thank you they look clean and for the first time someone has a combo point bar that I dont want to instantly recolour.

[balmy condor]

Elv

[balmy condor]

[arctic hare]

lol

Welp

Guess its time to get on WoW

@balmy condor Welp, no blue, but there is green, orange, and pink

[balmy condor]

Green normal orange heroic pink mythic?

What’s lfr

[arctic hare]

Its a stupid looking dagger

[hollow river]

The pink one is kinda purple

[arctic hare]

there is no color for it, just, a random blade

[hollow river]

Ish

The unobtainable mage tower skin of kingslayers look like plasma daggers

But you’d have had to get them back in Legion I think

Lots of still obtainable skins that are cool though

[arctic hare]

Yeah.....

still irritates me that I can't get those plasma daggers

[hollow river]

I know the feeling

[arctic hare]

Like, those things are the ONE daggers I want

[hollow river]

The subtlety Kingslayers are kinda cool

There’s really a load of different skins that are nice

I haven’t done any of the quests for them

Atm I’m using Blackrock Foundry daggers

[balmy condor]

Whack