And they get melted by your windwalkers and havocs
#assassination
dusty peak
adds aside, the boss just moves so much in that fight that poison bomb is kind of a crap chute
pure moth
Haven't got shoulders yet. I'll have this ready though. Thanks! I still only ever got 2 dom sockets after all this time. Having no set is meh.
viscid spear
Why be lucky when you can maintain another bleed on an inssnely short duration timer?
your WA tells you CT is in pandemic range
the icon is lit up 90% of the fight
sterile torrent
is frost bonus bis for sin?
flat pike
anyone have any screenshots of their dps for sin rogue in some big aoe dungeons like dos or hoa? is it even possible to hit 11-12k dps overall as assassination with these big pull dungeons?
echo geyser
yeah that sounds very possible
but not many ppl play sin in keys, most seemed to have swapped to sub
like ryfie etc
seli might be the only sin rogue left in m+
flat pike
lol
on huge packs is where it really falls behind, I don't think I ever got past 25k on huge pulls whereas others easily hit 50-60k
echo geyser
yeah target caps + not having actual aoe burst cds
vendetta does fuckall in aoe apart from prio dmg
flat pike
ye
viscid spear
seli might be the only sin rogue left in m+
I play Sin in dungeons, though honestly I'm waiting in Sylvie daggers so I can dabble in Sub
flat pike
but even with cap, subtely still can do way more aoe
echo geyser
it can but it still gets fucked by actual uncapped aoe burst classes i believe
flat pike
ye
echo geyser
is sin also 8 target cap?
flat pike
ya
echo geyser
I play Sin in dungeons, though honestly I'm waiting in Sylvie daggers so I can d...
yeah the sylv daggers are kinda sad on sin vs sub
almost half value
i guess in aoe its good tho still
but for st at least its sad
viscid spear
Is there a dps class worse in AoE than Sin?
Affliction maybe? At least they can spread DoTs
flat pike
haha nah affliction absolutely pumps in AOE, especially with uncapped aoe
and outlaw is one of the best no?
fierce hill
Yep it is not pretty in m+ right now
flat pike
oh really, then why do people say outlaw still the best when sub can do like 50k on big pulls
fierce hill
spice spire
capped at 10-15k
That seems low right? Even on shitty capped sin I can do 12-21k
echo geyser
i bring st its fine guys
echo geyser
outlaw is 5 target cap
spice spire
Ramfam big boy outlaw fragger though, he’d know
spice spire
F.
flat pike
wow really, weird how it's the go to mythic plus spec then lol
echo geyser
BR is the only uncapped skill
i mean it kinda evens out when u go higher keys i guess, outlaw just has perma dmg
even tho its 10-15k every pack
quasi scroll
Finally just got a new main hand. Offhand now has Lightless. Do I overwrite that with Celestial and put lightless on MH?
echo geyser
the cds classes might do like 5-10k without cds for a 1min or 3
flat pike
gotcha
dark token
oh really, then why do people say outlaw still the best when sub can do like 50k...
What lol
Sub cannot do 50k on any pull
Even max targets
obtuse robin
at 255 ilvl with cds maybe
obtuse robin
whole pull no
dark token
Obedience was also nerfed since ptr
kind talon
P sure you can burst 50k on live
obtuse robin
this was like 4 days ago
kind talon
But like
kind talon
You’ll never actually see that number in a dungeon
obtuse robin
not whole pull
spice spire
I was going to say I’ve seen an aff live pull 45k+ sustained on a pack that took a few minutes to kill
That pack being ardenweald entirely tho
kind talon
I was going to say I’ve seen an aff live pull 45k+ sustained on a pack that took...
Aff can easily pull 50k+ sustained, spec is nuts busted
kind talon
Yeah that’s why you bring like
Other classes
Call in the ST specialists
Rogues, roll out
novel arrow
Hey do any of you know, if you get KSM one on character. Can you upgrade valor stuff on an alt?
obtuse robin
no
kind talon
Ksm is character specific this season
keen gyro
Ksm is character specific this season
The achievement is accountwide. But you need the rating for upgrading, which is characterbound sadly😓
fallen arch
‘Alt friendy expansion’
flat pike
Sub cannot do 50k on any pull
no obvs. not entire pull, 50k ceiling burst
kind talon
no obvs. not entire pull, 50k ceiling burst
the ceiling is more realistically like
70k on 8 targets
maybe a bit more
steel ridge
WCL implies that assa delivers higher dps on that fight
wispy plaza
last phase we blast
steel ridge
because of?
wispy plaza
its pure ST we have full cds + pot with lust
kind talon
so is sylvanas a fight for assa or outlaw?
all 3 specs are extremely strong
play whichever you are comfortable on
steel ridge
yeah i just start the progression as assa, since it allows me to take in more of my surroundings, whereas outlaw just occupies more of my cognitive capacities xD
kind talon
yeah i just start the progression as assa, since it allows me to take in more of...
Sounds good, sin is a good choice for sylv
shut flame
Guys, is there any way to configure plater so it will highlight spell casting mobs? I mean when they casting
waxen socket
U can give enemies different color Health plates
I got it all for all stops and all casters in dungeon / raid
runic maple
cloak doesnt protect us from the knockback from grasp of malice (black lines) in nerzul right?
runic maple
btw shld we shadowstep after the first malevolence knockback or 2nd? ive been doing it on first everytime
warm scarab
239 Salvaged fuision amplifier sims higher than 246 shadowgrasp for, how should i use it? on cd or hold it for vendetta?
warm scarab
ohh nice, but is the bloodmallet list wrong?
kind talon
Wdym?
Since trinkets are affected by your stats and other things, your profile may very well have a different value for different trinkets than the bloodmallet profile does
warm scarab
oh yea i cut the sentence short, should have included "or is it just my stats" ^^
kind talon
Its your whole profile in general
Mainly a haste thing I’d assume though, since shadowgrasp totem is hasted, but I’m unfamiliar with the bloodmallet profile anyways
I think it’s still using unholy
flat kiln
would haste/crit still be the best stats for obedience that was only made for m+, or would mastery become better?
slow marsh
If it's for sin m+ only then crit mastery but it's only really worth mastery stacking if you are gearing for it. Also keep in mind obed is good for sub, if you would ever mess with it it's highly recommended just going crit vers
winter vapor
btw shld we shadowstep after the first malevolence knockback or 2nd? ive been do...
I'd do second, the first will push you to a spot for the raid (at least that how mine does it) and boss is possibly going to be pulled to you. I shadowstep back to boss after the second so as not to be in wrong spot and piunted off for my trouble
flat kiln
@slow marsh makes sense, thanks
slow marsh
Np
viscid spear
Vendetta only affects rogue abilities
We can thank Kyrian Rogues using the Drest trinket at the start of the expansion for that, lmao
slow marsh
It was skulkers
Oh vendetta not ma rip my reading skills
But people went from drest trink to skulkers and did the same stuff
thorny pond
Vendetta has had a white list for some time. They just always forget one or two here or there
vestal wren
We can thank Kyrian Rogues using the Drest trinket at the start of the expansion...
they changed that at the start of bfa and i think we had a lot of trinkets in legion/wod that did lead to this
its not one single instance but multiple and its not only rogue
thorny pond
MA leggo with Vendetta and Draight was the first nerf I remember
odd heath
It was because of necrotic wake
slow marsh
Yeah NW weapons
vestal wren
yes
slow marsh
Juicy spears
vestal wren
also only baseline damage amps are restricted
viscid spear
they changed that at the start of bfa and i think we had a lot of trinkets in le...
Yeah, the change to trinkets benefitting from the 100% crit from MA was what I was talking about
vestal wren
a lot of other things are not, e.g. for subtlety deeper dagger works on all shadow damage and pe works on a lot of things
slow marsh
Doesn't sg totem do shadow?
Man why can't sin get cool interactions like that with nature damage
viscid spear
Closest we got was bleeds with Doomblade, though that was only Rup-Gar-CT-SBS
slow marsh
Yeah but that's supposed to happen, it's all in class abilities
Sub is getting buffed shadow damage from everything
Blood set, sylv dagger
viscid spear
So with the first set of conduits bring empowered, it would be Lashing Scars top priority in the first potency slot?
viscid spear
Never going off Nadja now that we have her capstone I wager
obtuse robin
in general
if u have the right frost wit gear and roll crit with thetar thats better
slow marsh
I believe it
If nadjia procs lined up with CDs then it would be so nice
But it's almost always before or after
slow marsh
I guess it depends on which one you will be able to maximize uptime on
obtuse robin
thoe for progg almost certainly
slow marsh
But yeah triple potency Theo is real good
obtuse robin
on hard fights
frigid kestrel
Reason?
slow marsh
And damage is very comparable if not just better if you reroll tea correctly
frigid kestrel
O, I’m should be good period then. I typically take the least damage in raid. Meaning if I need extra defensive most of the raid is prolly dead anyways.
frigid kestrel
Ahhh, gotcha
slow marsh
Cuz it refreshes constantly off recup
uneven summit
Eternal Skirmish or hard stats?
slow marsh
And just raid heals in general
obtuse robin
on fights like pain smith gonna be huge
slow marsh
And just raid heals in general
delicate berry
Anyone know what the dps gap is between zoldyck vs obedience? I have zoldyck crafted at a decent level wondering if it's worth the gold sink to switch
delicate berry
Ugh I hate the crafting system this xpac just a giant gold and grind sink
And thanks guess I need to see if I can get it made for cheap
obtuse robin
if u have korth crystals its not bad at all
also
frost is best with crit that means dashing
if ur necro prolly doomblade
delicate berry
Im venthyr literally on every toon
Think unholy is simming better for me atm but still pretty low ilvl only 215 atm
obtuse robin
yea make 235 leggo for now is my advice
u dont need to make over that for anything
at that ilvl
delicate berry
Yea was thinking the same. And probably obedience for now
upbeat needle
y'all savin yall death bound shards for next week to target specific conduit upgrades?
obtuse robin
if ur not ur trolling
obtuse robin
i already had everything
obtuse robin
god bless
upbeat needle
narrow ravine
the expected dps increase of 226 to 252 on the soulbind conduits is very small
upbeat needle
well i think we get empowered conduits next week too so
obtuse robin
lol
dark token
The increase is so small im leveling sub conduits for my offspec instead of sin conduits
obtuse robin
its not small
226 to 252 is like a socket
it might be small ur that guy with 215 ilvl
if ur 240 plus
50 dps is not small
narrow ravine
the higher you are the less impact it is, 50dps is worth more when you are doing 6k than when you are doing 10k
narrow ravine
its a larger percentage of your dps
obtuse robin
the harder it is for u to get upgrades the higher value a dps increase is
ur thinking about it wrong
narrow ravine
but the impact it has is less, when you are already doing high dps its at best a rounding error or one less mechanic worth of loss
upbeat needle
I mean regardless an upgrade is still an upgrade
obtuse robin
if u have played bdo u will understand this concept hundo p
upbeat needle
but yes when you're a higher ilvl and upgrades are more rare technically it's worth more
obtuse robin
yes
narrow ravine
we are both saying the same thing but from different points of view
obtuse robin
20 dps for u at 255 ivl if woth more then 150 at 226 ilvl
something like that u get it
obtuse robin
no we arnt tbh
narrow ravine
im just promoting going for larger increases with less effort, save the tiny increases for later once you already have the easy big ones done
upbeat needle
i mean I don't think he's right about conduit thingy being small
obtuse robin
see thats why its different
glad siren
Hi all, I finally have some time and wanted to do some research on dashing ... where cN I find most info on it... i.e. what ilvl/crit % is it best to switch or should I even switch in your opinion? I tried it out last week, did pretty well for being 8ilvl lower than my obedience set.
obtuse robin
the tiny increase later can be bigger then the larger increse earlier
glad siren
Sorry to cut in the middle of the convo there
narrow ravine
gotta sim yourself with dashing to know when it surpases doomblade or obed
upbeat needle
Hi all, I finally have some time and wanted to do some research on dashing ... w...
Best answer is to sim yourself but Dashing is good with frost set and high crit. SO ideally 35%+ Crit and Rank 3/4ish may start to take over whatever you're using
narrow ravine
but 35-40% crit is the target for frost dashing
glad siren
Tyvm, I'm at 40% crit but 237ilvl in it. I assume it will only get better with ilvl. Will it ever outsim subtlety? I hate the feeling of missing ticking dmg on mechanics
obtuse robin
u should be good
and its about the same with sub from what i hear
waiting for big brain whyspyr sims
upbeat needle
personally I think Sin is better for prog bc if you have to do a mechanic you still have bleeds ticking
instead of having to hit boss and Sub and have lil shitty rupture that SUb has
glad siren
Ty. Yeah I don't have the stuff for blood gems atm and gotta get 60 still for rk4 frost next week
upbeat needle
all 3 rogue specs in a good spot though atm so whatever you choose as long as you play it well you'll be more than fine
obtuse robin
from what i remember cev or whyps said sin is like 20 dps ahead or behind
with the right gear
glad siren
I've been upgrading conduits over taking sockets, should I put a socket in instead next week if I have a 252 piece bis?
obtuse robin
yes
upbeat needle
if you'll never replace it this tier then socket it
glad siren
Ok ty
upbeat needle
random thought blizz should bring class halls back
glad siren
That's all the time I want to take from you all today, time to Sim and research. Tyvm everyone
upbeat needle
ask as much as you need to that's what we here for
glad siren
Ty I'll be back later when I can't find an answer.
I got 4 hours of being on the road before I can get home and try some stuff. Gonna make the most of it.
stray mural
im socketing 246 stuff now that conduits r done
I was gonna socket my 246 stuff before my conduits. Is this a false move I have 60k saved and I’m exalted today
violet jackal
I was gonna socket my 246 stuff before my conduits. Is this a false move I have ...
i would not socket anything that isn't BiS and lasting for the rest of the patch
unless you are insane like me and enjoy 100% korthia grinding everyday
violet jackal
those you can socket if the sylvannas ring isn't in your end game plan
stray mural
I high rolled this patch and got nuts lucky.
My guild doesn’t do mythic raiding, we’re stopping after AoTC and I don’t know what I’ll do
obtuse robin
u can socket w/e u want if conduits r done and the gear is really good
obtuse robin
oh id save for 252 then
violet jackal
the jewelry he can socket, highly doubt he is replacing those since he not mythic raiding
obtuse robin
yea
violet jackal
definetly start pumping those conduits though
scenic osprey
what is your spell queue window set to ?
willow osprey
anyone know if its worth to bleed first 2 targets on The Nine HC?
instead of just Dotting one
scenic osprey
I think def dotting 2 i had better result dotting both than 1+2
still have open gcds after double dotting 2
willow osprey
cheers
narrow ravine
simmed myself with my current conduits and all 252 ones, 39 whole dps, not going to kill myself to grind those upgrade tokens
scenic osprey
also i use CT too for 2 target fights
narrow ravine
ill of course upgrade what I can
I want to keep 5k research banked for emergency socket replacements
ruby oyster
guys would you craft dashing for 62dps upgrade lol?
tulip nacelle
also depends on your gold situation and how much you value the extra dps with your prog
I personally would, but can't decide for you
scenic osprey
@ruby oyster what did you have before
ruby oyster
o have doomblade, i wont use cinnders for anything esle probably dont play offspec too much
glad siren
@scenic osprey what do you mean?
glad siren
@scenic osprey spell que window
ruby oyster
just 62dps seems low?
to clarify, im sitting at 35% crit and 18% haste im just not sure if with more crit ill get better return on dashing so i could save gold crafting it now vs 2-3 weeks from now
glad siren
The price will go up?
ruby oyster
no, it should be other way around, ill save gold crafting later
glad siren
Sorry ex-filthy casual trying to catch up and be half as good as you all. 😁
native karma
dashing scoundrel legendary also increases envenom crit chance, right ?
strange silo
someone used the 30% power cost reduce on tarragrue as rogue and if yes was it any good?
glad siren
@native karma good question, I thought it was just dot poisons.... 🤔
ruby oyster
someone used the 30% power cost reduce on tarragrue as rogue and if yes was it a...
yeah it felt good as fuck, went with DS for that
glad siren
So DS/frost crit high... haste secondary still? Or will there be a point where vers/ mast is second
violet jackal
someone used the 30% power cost reduce on tarragrue as rogue and if yes was it a...
i tried it, didn't feel too good
native karma
<@154580836128260096> good question, I thought it was just dot poisons.... 🤔
mastery increases bleed and poison dmg. envenom is included, because it count as a poison
so im 99%sure dashing scoundrel also applies to envenom
hitting a dummy also confirms this
wind totem
Does frost bonus
accumulate a flat value per critical hit
or does it matter how big the crit is?
wind totem
Alright. Thanks a lot.
glad siren
That their 3?
glad siren
👍
copper sundial
when simming theotar, any idea if it takes into account the mad dukes tea effect and if so which effect does it utilize?
obtuse robin
it sims a 25 % average of all buffs
if u want to sim ur self
profileset."primary"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=primary"
profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"
copper sundial
ah thank you
novel arrow
Black . How do I use what u just pasted ?
obtuse robin
put it under ur simc in advanced
novel arrow
All of it ?
obtuse robin
yes
novel arrow
Oh so sim in top gear ?
obtuse robin
i said advanced
frank axle
hey i simmed dashing today and it only wins if i change to deeper, but i guess we still change ep/vigor on 9 fights in sod or?
novel arrow
9 fights ?! 😮
frank axle
all non st
undone eagle
Guys if i play necro and doomblade for raid which set bonus is best for me, is it still frost???
tulip nacelle
sim it
sharp zodiac
Guys if i play necro and doomblade for raid which set bonus is best for me, is ...
Probably but what Meffer said
balmy condor
hey i simmed dashing today and it only wins if i change to deeper, but i guess w...
You mean EP deeper?
shrewd helm
Does the DS crit build work with unholy?
balmy condor
Not really
shrewd helm
i have 3k soulash on this alt and have only been clearing normal, I want to swap to the frost gem build but I dont have all the gems yet. I do have the unholyt 3 set
undone eagle
the orbs of nerzhul, is it worth to rupture?
strange trail
the orbs of nerzhul, is it worth to rupture?
nop
undone eagle
i just bonespike & garrote as bleed @strange trail
i hope thats right
and just burst it down since it takes 2-3 sec
strange trail
i dont even touch it, waste of time and dps, just tunnel the boss
undone eagle
aight , since my raid leader want us to focus it
ill just bone spike them and go boss
since i get dots from it
sand heath
I just throw a bone spike, on them, and if they close I will throw another bleed
That maybe not optimal tho
But comes down to what your raid needs
stray mural
the orbs of nerzhul, is it worth to rupture?
If you’re going to be low energy going into a shiv window then yes all else no
Like I mean that rupture will drain your energy and you have bleeds ticking on the boss low
obtuse robin
they dont give energy back for rupture when they die
stray mural
Wait I’ve been scammed
obtuse robin
atleast iv checked like 20 diff times
stray mural
I’m never helping orbs again lmao
undone eagle
yeah i realized with bone spike, sad pepe
but whats your opener guys as necro?
I do mut > SnD > mut > garrote > rupture > vendetta > shiv > vanish > mut > envenom
when do i Bone spike??
i usually do it after my envenom
sinful cradle
undone eagle
oh so no more mut as first hit
balmy condor
Yeh sbs takes prio cause it actually does damage on hit now
frank axle
You mean EP deeper?
no i meant when comparing doomblade vs dashing legendary (r4 frost, venth, 37% crit). dashing only won on Blindside/deeper but not on EP/Vigor. since i play on doomblade most encounter with ep/vigor it seems dashing is not worth at the moment which i didnt expect
slow marsh
i just bonespike & garrote as bleed <@!167301479265337346>
It doesn't die so I wouldn't sbs, you don't get reset
slow marsh
You just bleed the orbs before they are debuffed and then maybe envenom orb once it's debuffed
fallen arch
And then dump em after vanish in the gemstone window
balmy condor
no i meant when comparing doomblade vs dashing legendary (r4 frost, venth, 37% c...
Oh yeah
That’s fairly normal
slow marsh
Whispyr why should I stay venthyr instead of going back Necro
shadow tusk
Damage
slow marsh
Necro has more overall damage
fallen arch
‘Damage’
slow marsh
So that's out
slow marsh
Ok
fallen arch
True
slow marsh
Convinced
fallen arch
And you’ll maybe lose all those obedience cinders?
balmy condor
Still trying to figure out how to do a graphic to compare all the shit without confusing people
slow marsh
I think you can just make the graphic with all the respective bis gear and put a disclaimer that depending on your build the gear profiles change a bit
slow marsh
Imo the point of the graphic is to give people something to work towards knowing the ceiling of said build, they should already be simming along the way
oak sky
bis bad 
balmy condor
Like you either build haste, or you don’t
slow marsh
Yeah it's dumb I agree
balmy condor
There’s 3 legendaries that are viable
Like you’re changing everything other than talents
It’s crazy
slow marsh
Well frost is the only super crit build right? Obed and db both stack more haste
true mesa
why isnt dashing good on necro?
fallen arch
Its by no means bad
oak sky
frost still can sim higher on those 2 with higher crit though
slow marsh
Cuz sbs counts as a bleed for db
oak sky
pretty sure
fallen arch
Just not as good
balmy condor
Frost can sim higher for other talents and stuff too yeah
drowsy parcel
dashing still good on necro what are you talking about
slow marsh
frost still can sim higher on those 2 with higher crit though
Yes but haste has a higher enough value on them to where half your gearset changes
balmy condor
dashing still good on necro what are you talking about
It’s significantly worse than venth
slow marsh
Not to mention the damage profile in general
balmy condor
Like “struggles to beat doomblade” worse
oak sky
i have super low crit and frost still sims within 200 or so
drowsy parcel
doesnt mean its bad per se? its ahead for me by 150 dps
slow marsh
You go Necro for more add damage
drowsy parcel
is that bad
balmy condor
doesnt mean its bad per se? its ahead for me by 150 dps
You’re an outlier
drowsy parcel
balmy condor
Getting dashing to sim higher on necro for my profiles needed some help
Koji’s been having issues too
slow marsh
Yeah and even if it wins it's barely winning
drowsy parcel
it's been very slightly ahead for me ever since frost got back in the picture
and my gear has evolved quite a bit since then
fallen arch
Getting dashing to sim higher on necro for my profiles needed some help
Same
They’re so close I’m not even bothering getting dashing to 262
With db already 262
brazen zodiac
silly question is 26% haste too much?
brazen zodiac
i feel like im trolling myself by using the frost set with only 30% crit
idk cause im new to wow
first time playing haha
true mesa
so 262 doomblade is the move for necro?
fallen arch
Ur probably fine, just try and focus getting more crit
brazen zodiac
okie dokie
fallen arch
so 262 doomblade is the move for necro?
Not particularly, but dashing is just not as good for us as for venthyr
fallen arch
When they sim within 50 dps of each other regardless of secondaries? Not really
Dashing and doomblade just interact differently with necro
slow marsh
theres gotta be a best lego
The issue we're having is that there are 3 builds that are relatively close but have very different requirements
fallen arch
THERES THREE NOW?
slow marsh
Uh yeah?
fallen arch
Still ppl rocking unholy?
oak sky
obe
fallen arch
Oh right
oak sky
right?
slow marsh
Dashing, obe, db
slow marsh
Yeah not surprising
balmy condor
Than Frost
slow marsh
It's annoying but at least it's the good kind of annoying I guess
slow marsh
Are you full sub geared tho
balmy condor
Yeah but that’s the same gear I’d use on sin
slow marsh
Fair
balmy condor
I do
slow marsh
That makes sense blood would be pretty big with that much verse though
fallen arch
With that and frost set u must be super tanky
brazen zodiac
Am I just trolling with 26% haste wtf
balmy condor
No
balmy condor
How do I put this
slow marsh
What did sime say
ruby oyster
how do you even play with 7% haste ;_; ? 14% already feels dogshit
balmy condor
Uhhhhh
fallen arch
As long as frost isn’t higher than unholy
balmy condor
Fuck yo stats just get ilvl and sim yourself who cares
balmy condor
how do you even play with 7% haste ;_; ? 14% already feels dogshit
I’ll let you in on a secret
Going from 10% haste to 30%
Doesn’t have a noticeable difference on the speed of the spec
Because it’s a slow spec
And that’s kinda what it does
fallen arch
‘Feels’
zinc frost
Bleeds up and chill
ruby oyster
i "feel" like i play much better with higher haste values, maybe its just getting use to low haste but i for sure notice my performance going down with lower haste as well
plain thistle
yup, changed from 30% to 14% haste while increasing my crit from 25 to 43, only thing I noticed is that I can get to 24-27 frag stacks easier
drifting cloud
last time I felt haste diff was when I had 120%
balmy condor
i "feel" like i play much better with higher haste values, maybe its just gettin...
have you played with Blindside/deeper, as well as Ep/vigor
ruby oyster
have you played with Blindside/deeper, as well as Ep/vigor
i did not play bs/ds in a while so maybe i just need more time with that again, but in CN i did more or less the same
ruby oyster
vigor is. thats how it feels at least, i notice more CP wth DS/BS but it feels slower anyway
balmy condor
and you'd be wrong
fallen arch
With bs u probably have more apm
glad siren
Ok so, should I be just more patient all around? If I don't hit 5 cp I usually freak and env anyway...
fallen arch
Especially at boss below 30
balmy condor
Ok so, should I be just more patient all around? If I don't hit 5 cp I usually f...
finish on 4 with vigor/mfd, 5 with deeper
ruby oyster
to be clear im not arguing one way is better or something, just i guess my personal preference, haste feels better to play for me currently
glad siren
I was more afraid of overcapping cp ... I'll work on my patience with it, ty.
zinc frost
I got down to 6 percent haste in keys and it actually feels great
balmy condor
to be clear im not arguing one way is better or something, just i guess my perso...
I know you're not arguing one way or the other, I'm just saying, it's in your head
you're placebo-ing yourself
fallen arch
I have the feeing it’s mainly the opener with ds
glad siren
Probably a big reason why I'm not getting over 90 parses
fallen arch
That feels kinda meh
fallen arch
I got down to 6 percent haste in keys and it actually feels great
Keys are hella different tho
Once u get bleeds rolling
ruby oyster
i need to forcemyself into DS then and just roll with it, i remember in CN it felt super slow but i had garbage gear luck
fallen arch
Why would u force yourself on it?
glad siren
@ruby oyster I've been sticking with vigor too ... I'm gonna work on it.
ruby oyster
if if stay with doomblade yeah ill stick to EP but im thinking about going dashing and it only seems worth it with BS/DS
i get like 60dps from dashring on EP/vigor and 228 with BS/DS
balmy condor
by the way for those interested, 10% haste is worth about 3apm, and bs/deeper is about 3apm faster than ep/vig
viscid spear
Yeah, switched to EP/Vigor after being BS/DS for the entire raid so fair and we downed another progression boss?
Correlation Causation be damned
balmy condor
as a general kinda rule at least
drifting cloud
whispyr whats the secret to 3 envenom every shiv
glad siren
Apm?
balmy condor
whispyr whats the secret to 3 envenom every shiv
mfd
fallen arch
Actions per minute
drifting cloud
glad siren
Ty
fallen arch
Or learn to pool like a bot
glad siren
Pooling? Maybe
fallen arch
Don’t think its possible every shiv
balmy condor
you can pool like a bot all you want, you're still not hitting 3 consistently
glad siren
That's where my patience runs thin again. Lol
fallen arch
Pi every shiv window?
glad siren
Is there a WA for building frost dmg? Or letting you know how much you've got and when it'll explode?
fallen arch
U can spam 70% of the time
glad siren
@balmy condor oh it will be my spec, I just have to be better and learn more. 😌
I got faith in myself
glad siren
@ruby oyster ty you're my hero
slow marsh
i "feel" like i play much better with higher haste values, maybe its just gettin...
this is true if you have like 60%+. Getting up to 30% doesn't mean anything right now. If anything having higher crit feels better for the seal fate
ruby oyster
this is true if you have like 60%+. Getting up to 30% doesn't mean anything righ...
maybe the problem is that i couldn't get high enough crit to make a difference while i was dropping tons of haste, i had 16% vers and 35% mastery couple of days ago
balmy condor
disgustign
glad siren
Lol
ruby oyster
xd yeah it was awful but my gear luck is still bad so i was picking whatever i could, 252 4% vers ring is still an upgrade over 220ivl crit/haste ;c
slow marsh
well yeah
as long as you're simming and following what sim says is best within reason then you're fine
glad siren
I've been trying to do 10 m+ a week to get stuff... haven't gotten too much but eventually... it'll come together
ruby oyster
yeah i was clearly doing more damage and obv it was simming higher
glad siren
@slow marsh question, can I Sim for end game rather than just the immediate upgrade?
slow marsh
I would say if you're just starting out, just do whatever sim says for immediate upgrades unless its really obvious
balmy condor
there's no real reason to sim for end game though
like that just hurts you
trying to chase pieces isn't really a thing
slow marsh
But once you get a feel, you can start using droptimizer and pulling wowhead simc strings for items to sim around stuff
glad siren
@balmy condor ah OK, damn. Yeah I've been droptimizing and simming a lot. But I don't want to just pick up anything if something else might be better long run
slow marsh
If you are progging then you always sim for what will help you prog
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> ah OK, damn. Yeah I've been droptimizing and simming a lot...
even on the best profiles, there's like 150 combinations of gear that sim close to margin of error
you can mix and match a bunch of stuff
glad siren
Yes baby it did stop raining don't worry the lightning can't hurt you here come on let's go see peppa
zinc frost
Wut
glad siren
My bad. Lol
glad siren
Sorry, storm over head, daughter... talk to text... and I'm a derp lol
zinc frost
balmy condor
I thought you being an indie singer would be much cooler than a "sorry wrong channel"
but you do you
glad siren
With that I'll see myself out for now lol. Have a good one, be back later 😀
late birch
what makes Dashing sim higher than doomblade with frost set? a certain amount of crit?
fallen arch
Sorry, storm over head, daughter... talk to text... and I'm a derp lol
Did this actually happen 😂
Watching peppa pig now
old halo
what makes Dashing sim higher than doomblade with frost set? a certain amount of...
yes it scales well with agaility and crit
late birch
yes it scales well with agaility and crit
ty, do you have a rough estimate on crit needed. Atm I can get like 31% crit with 21% haste
harsh lantern
https://gyazo.com/111bda6966887250bab97c2b7db98245 winds is so fun
old halo
40% i think Dashing takes over doomblade
harsh lantern
https://gyazo.com/a481cd9cd23e9c715f1dc1a4a46201ab do i need more haste tho
old halo
im necro tho
old halo
they close, play whats fun
old halo
luv the shirld for prog
late birch
ye
limber lion
https://gyazo.com/a481cd9cd23e9c715f1dc1a4a46201ab do i need more haste tho
Sim it!
old halo
got H slv to 53% this week so close
harsh lantern
u right
late birch
Starting prog on painsmith M, so trying sub thats only reason thought of going venthyr
but nah, assa still my main spec
fiery mauve
Flag is great for prog
late birch
why?
fiery mauve
It’s a cd
late birch
well its prog
and sub looked really good on logs
even playing it a bit and sub stuff lining up so well
limber lion
then im 10k gang
Good stuff
limber lion
and sub looked really good on logs
I can tell you that my private assassination log is higher than any of the sub logs.
If you're only looking at overall damage.
kind talon
^^^
limber lion
Sub does have other perks on the fight though
Like add damage and better ball damage.
fiery mauve
Funnel pog
late birch
exactly why im playing it
IF we comfortably getting to p3 or something
I will try out sin
just trying to see fight as much as possible for now
hollow river
I can tell you that my private assassination log is higher than any of the sub l...
o.O
late birch
wasted so much stygian embers, at the start for patch :\
zealous marsh
Which leggo cev
late birch
gemmed over my rank 3 blood
limber lion
Which leggo cev
Doomblade.
zealous marsh
You planning to change?
limber lion
I don't have access to my old private logs anymore though :'(
Yes, looking to switch to Dashing.
limber lion
No lol.
hollow river
sub is
zealous marsh
Btw, how was your mind on adds on soulrender though. Just crimson tempest and burn the boss
limber lion
.
hollow river
late birch
Im sure only reason you're pulling ahead of sub is because you've got close to perfect gear and shard rank xD
limber lion
Btw, how was your mind on adds on soulrender though. Just crimson tempest and bu...
Gar one add, rupture 2
CT
blast boss
limber lion
Im sure only reason you're pulling ahead of sub is because you've got close to p...
Definitely not.
I was r4 unholy when I got that parse
And 239 ilvl (iirc)
so, definitely not.
hollow river
painsmith is looking sub heavy too at 9.3k o.O
zealous marsh
Gar one add, rupture 2
I’ve did around 10k dps on prog kill i had to burn boss and deal „some” dmg on adds
kind talon
Painsmith is extremely strong for sin rogue my guy
zealous marsh
First kill is the worst
kind talon
Nah
zealous marsh
I swap
kind talon
Full boss
kind talon
Ez clap
zealous marsh
I even dot it
late birch
farm CP with FoK?
echo geyser
late birch
You rate CT better talent to play for that fight?
kind talon
Nah
limber lion
Def not.
kind talon
CT trashe
idle star
5 runs of Plaguefall, no Phial :(
obtuse robin
rookie numbers
idle star
Im spent
Im casual so running the same dungeon more than twice in a season is big for me
strange python
Man... Even having the expectation of getting a targetted drop in that few runs with my rng is mind-blowing
idle star
I want all the best items quickly so i can win the game
harsh lantern
^
idle star
Then i can move on to other games
strange python
In my mind I have my mind set on about 40 odd runs. After that I get to disappointment
Then after about 60 I feel burnout
strange python
I got 2 daggers from m+ already this season which is a miracle.
Did more than 150 odd runs for them though. Now it's a challenge to just do 4 in a week because surprise at that rate isn't "fun" it's "releif"
balmy condor
I did 8 plaguefalls in a day
idle star
For the first time ever i did 4 m+ in a week for 2/3 loot options
balmy condor
and didn't see anything
idle star
I just have life stuff happening. Its wholesom. Family, adventure irl etc. My work, my passion. Plaguefall can wait i guess
My low-fi music
subtle otter
frost still the best for assa?with dashing
balmy condor
yes
subtle otter
thx ❤️
why dont more sin rogues play m+
full tendon
tbh I've had the worst time trying to get into keys this season
And worse since this week io changed from showing s1 after surpassing to being 75% of it
hasty grotto
I got a question about combo points, it might be kinda weird but, what do I do when I have 3 combo points (with Deeper strat)? I know I don't want to generate more combo points than I can hold, but I don't want to use a spender below max-1? Do I still mutilate?
dark token
I got a question about combo points, it might be kinda weird but, what do I do w...
you generate combo points until -1 from max
the only exception is short lived ruptures on off targets or snd if you dont have it
hasty grotto
But if I mutilate when I'm at 3 combo points, I generate 2 + crits, which overcaps?
alpine garden
or you generate 2, and then you're at 5 😮
hasty grotto
Okay that's all I wanted to know, overcapping is better than finishing below max-1, thank you
nocturne geode
i found out something with kyrian and bron idk if its being tracked in the sims but using a spell like mutilate back to back doesnt generate another stack for bron
hasty grotto
You just react to it in case one mutilate gives 4?
nocturne geode
do you know if this is taken into account in the sims @balmy condor
balmy condor
do you know if this is taken into account in the sims <@!167090536602140682>
yes
that's how it works
nocturne geode
kk i wasnt sure thanks!
balmy condor
np
nocturne geode
i know theres not alot of us kyrian rogues out there so wanted to double check that
primal quest
hey i just switched to vent and im looking to upgrade lashing scars conduit from 200 to any higher. Any suggestions where/how ?
balmy condor
korthia to 226
then adament vaults
but conduit upgrades aren't too important
so I wouldn't sweat it
primal quest
where in korthia do i do it ? the reputation then random upgrade ? or u mean rare drop
balmy condor
random drop
the rep stuff works too
all conduit upgrades are random items or raid drops
but lashing doesn't work
cause no cov conduit in raid
frigid kestrel
Idk why, but I want Master poisoner to be a thing.
That’s my random hot take today
red plaza
It is……in pvp 🙂
hollow river
Idk why, but I want Master poisoner to be a thing.
Apparently it’s not too terrible to use in keys with Dashing. Someone tried it out yesterday and lost around ~1k overall. It it still looked viable lol
Definitely not the best option by a mile but could be fun
balmy condor
10% damage loss btw
kind talon
it's too terrible to use in keys
lusty surge
korayn or dreamweaver on sylvanas?
kind talon
korayn or dreamweaver on sylvanas?
niya or dreamweaver, korayn is just useless for the part that matter tho
execute soulbind when theres no execute
lusty surge
yeah ive been playing dreamweaver
and i can usually stand in my blossom reliably
was just wondering how good wild hunt would be even with just half uptime
but yea useless last row is sad
idle star
Idk why, but I want Master poisoner to be a thing.
Lethal posions conduit + master poisoner + dashing scoundrel. Surely deadly poison is pumping
kind talon
Lethal posions conduit + master poisoner + dashing scoundrel. Surely deadly poi...
or u could just run lethal poisons, elaborate planning, and zoldyck
😮
kind talon
was just wondering how good wild hunt would be even with just half uptime
dogshit
unless you really really need phase 2 damage
lusty surge
yea unlikely
kind talon
but thats not really your job lol
lusty surge
yea
kind talon
if u can stand in blossoms dreamweaver
else u can go niya
niya is decent too for the tankiness as well
but dreamweaver probably takes the cake
lusty surge
ya the fight on heroic at least lines up well for dreamweaver
kind talon
i mean the dreamweaver lineups are the same as the niya lineups no?
just when u cast sepsis?
or is there something else
lusty surge
just being able to stand in the field of blossoms for the haste buff
i dont find myself having to get out often
i wonder if dashing scoundrel procs off sepsis
somehow i doubt it
kind talon
wdym
the envenom buff increases crit rate of your poisons
and they generate energy
"poisons" = deadly poison, wound poison
lusty surge
yea i was just hoping sepsis would count as a poison
kind talon
nope
kind talon
yeah it works with doomblade too
lusty surge
i cant remember, did kingsbane count as a poison?
kind talon
no clue i didnt play legion
drifting cosmos
Is bone spike still bugged ?
tribal marlin
Believe me, Sepsis not amp is an intended feature
kind talon
Is bone spike still bugged ?
drifting cosmos
And yes kingsbane is poison
tribal marlin
I report it more than enough time on PTR and they refused to change it
it's intended
If Sepsis was counted as a poison, it would be a bit better than its current state
probably won't be enough to make the covenant "shine" but would close the gap
drifting cosmos
Ty @kind talon
tribal marlin
They should rework Sepsis, or the legendary to make it work like Kingsbane
CDR on poison application
I'm confident : Sepsis 📈 9.1.5
lusty surge
^
kind talon
no shot
lusty surge
nf is fun as hell
kind talon
lusty surge
i was reading early builds
and sepsis used to make you vanish if the target survived
imagine that opener
tribal marlin
yeah it was procing MA
oak sky
how is sepsis fun
kind talon
yeah it would be quite good for outlaw too
oak sky
press twice and only get a maximum of 15% haste
lusty surge
do agree
tribal marlin
how is sepsis fun
I mean you know as Assa you get a new button to push that put a dot
So it's fun
Assa player are happy with little yk
wheat leaf
hi, i played sin in bfa and starting to level a new rogue. I can't seem to find one of my old weakaura and wondering if any of you had a similar one.
frigid kestrel
Bone Feels the best out of the three
wheat leaf
frigid kestrel
IMO
oak sky
flag feels just fine because its good burst and damage
bonespike feels nice in world and aoe though
for sure
frigid kestrel
M+ Bone make me feel good
drifting cosmos
A lot smoother
quasi ledge
frosty cedar
i get that a lot
frosty cedar
vendetta no blood fury PI
frosty cedar
its one of my raid macros to cast vendetta without using bloodfury and triggering the power infusion weak aura for my priest
kind talon
Why not use blood fury?
echo geyser
cause hes getting permanent fae from priest so his cd is actually 1.5min
kind talon
Ahhhh
echo geyser
kind talon
True
frosty cedar
bit more optimally timed on the vanish aswell
but im holding till 2m anyway mostly so the fae messes with me
kind talon
Sadge
frosty cedar
for m+ I have blood fury on vendetta so I use it on packs
usually im vanishing later into the pull for reapply ruptures
so i have diff macros for raid and m+ basically
glad siren
Oh jesus... is there macros I need like that for raiding with the frost spec/venth/DS?
I've been only using an opening macro... but probably still no good tbh cause I made it myself. Lol
frosty cedar
nah u dont need these lol i just like having a raid set of macros (using combat potions etc) and not
so i dont randomly waste potions in world or something
glad siren
Oh ok, phew.
I'm only just learning to not be AS derpy so. Any input is appreciated. 😁
frosty cedar
i just like silly amount of information on my screen for optimisation cause the base spec is very very simple
so ill have a phial weak aura for spreading it properly in cleave or sinful rev tracker so I can decide whether or not to envenom during a pandemic window or reapply rupture sometimes
glad siren
Atm I just know to keep dots up, but I've been saving flag for 2 min cds and combining them all, bloodfury included
glad siren
i just like silly amount of information on my screen for optimisation cause the ...
Yeah I still don't really get all that yet.
Erm the second part I mean
I think k I'll have to get a pandemic WA so I get the hang of what that even is
frosty cedar
hahahah
oak sky
is that ui
kind talon
agreonchizus
oak sky
😳
frosty cedar
chad ui
oak sky
Agreon, aka Agreowner, aka Agreonchizus
kind talon
lmaooo