assassination

[spice spire]

829 not a small number

[manic haven]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[verbal flower]

are the shard bonus buffs live?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[verbal flower]

ah, ive been living under a rock

[hollow river]

Lol

[verbal flower]

with the dashing scoundrel build , i have a 252 div ooze and 246 phial. is it worth using a 236 fleywings toxin over the ooze for poison crit

[hollow river]

Doubt it

[verbal flower]

or the agi more prio. sims havent been accurate for me

[hollow river]

But sim yourself

How have they not been accurate?

[verbal flower]

user error likely

[hollow river]

Ah

I would stick with whichever sims the best

If you can figure out how to input the sim

Are you inputting shards correctly? And using simc?

[verbal flower]

yea im using simc. i think the set bonuses were off

oof

[hollow river]

Yeah make sure they’re on

And if you want to sim different sets or different ranks you don’t have

You need to make sure gems/enchants box is checked

[verbal flower]

will do, ty for the help 😄

[hollow river]

Any time

[verbal flower]

just need to craft DS and upgrade my frost shards now

[hollow river]

Yeah frost depends heavily on those upgraded ranks. And good amount of crit. But always sim.

[winged moss]

IQD trinket with frost?

[alpine latch]

It was simming quite high for me until I started getting more crit

Phial/Salvaged is better for me once I got more crit

[manic haven]

Logged in and had all my WAs wiped, as good as any to ask any you guys find particularly useful? Have the traditional combat ones covered already.

[alpine latch]

https://wago.io/rdRQBLKGX

That's a must, IMO

[tight ginkgo]

ahh my scuffed guardian kill ;__;

Can confirm though. Blood is quite good for sub.

[spice spire]

I know it was just to illustrate blood stonks

[cobalt pelican]

honestly recommend against using an aura for tricks unless you manually swap it out for raid

[spice spire]

I am an ape and macro to focus

[fallen arch]

Same

I mean, why not

As easy as it gets

[cursive silo]

U can also just macro to tank name

[alpine latch]

I refuse to manually focus the tank and do it that way

[tight ginkgo]

More of a pain to swap if you play with a lot of different tanks

[alpine latch]

They get what they get

[fallen arch]

And make a macro every pug dungeon no thanks

[cursive silo]

Its 5 seconds to change a name lol

[tight ginkgo]

And fewer seconds to middle mouse click a focus :V

[spice spire]

2 to click “set focus”

[fallen arch]

Or just focus target

[cursive silo]

Just do it while youre eating

[tight ginkgo]

That's my chill time!

[fallen arch]

Me time

[cursive silo]

If you focus tank you can’t focus something else WeirdChamp

[bleak sky]

just click the tank and md

[spice spire]

Only think I’m focusing is the damage 😤

[fallen arch]

And what else would I focus?

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah that is a bummer -- focus interrupts and stuns can be nice but

[cursive silo]

Idk other targets

[tight ginkgo]

in m+ at least I havent had a problem

[fallen arch]

I usually focus target the other rogue in the group

And use tricks macro

[spice spire]

Misdirect to healer always

[tight ginkgo]

with sub m+ aoe it is easy to swap around while im spinning

[spice spire]

Little surprise for them

[knotty dew]

Why not just use clique addon and all you have to do is (left)click on party/raidframe? You guys make it hard 😆

[fallen arch]

Clique?

[cursive silo]

Like you dont have better things to do with your mouse

[fallen arch]

So instead of twice you click once?

[woeful meteor]

clique makes mouseover macros for u basically, its mostly healer thing since they need mouseover on most spells

[alpine latch]

Didn't they add that into the game though?

I'm pretty sure you can do mouseover macros with just the stock UI

[woeful meteor]

of course but making a macro for all your spells takes way longer than using an addon and switching all spells to mouseover in one click per spell

[knotty dew]

I use clique for leftclick tott and rightclique shadowstep

No need to be fast with mouseover macros and funky moving players

[cobalt pelican]

i just use an addon called tricksofthetrader

which basically just edits macros for you with 1 click

to maintank/offtank/targets name

[knotty dew]

You still have to insert a player name every time no?

[sour grail]

is normal raid sylva daggers better than a heroic raid weapon?

[split furnace]

Yes but sim it

[small bramble]

gotta sim it

[sour grail]

thanks guys

[split furnace]

Gg btw lucky bastard 😄

[small bramble]

mine was a 20 dps upgrade so ehhh

[sour grail]

haha thanks a lot

[misty bough]

TYVM i needed that as fuck

kekw

now nobody can complain on not misdirecting tank

[spice spire]

On fucking mut

[bleak sky]

pot macro'd to vendetta

[misty bough]

only on some bosses minalba

u see its //

i remove a slash here and there depending on what

[bleak sky]

I see

[misty bough]

got pot binded regularly aswell ofc

[bleak sky]

Isn't it less work just to press pot?

[misty bough]

depends on bossfight

i wanna pot with vendetta on some SoD bosses

remmy, guardian etc

especially if i can suck off a priest for a PI

[alpine latch]

I manually click pots

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

There's a few things I don't have bound and DPS pots are one of them

Every time I have it bound I fat-finger it and use it incorrectly

And waste it

[uneven hamlet]

I macroed it, cause if I don't won't remember using it

[misty bough]

hmm

anyone got a feint macro

WA*

https://streamable.com/ftkc9t

wanna add it to the pots

CD/uptime

same with cloak

[raven vapor]

anyone know if the sylv dagger can come from the timewalking chest?

[spice spire]

Yes

[fallen arch]

It can?

That’s dumb

[spice spire]

99.9% sure

[slow marsh]

yea it can

[spice spire]

It’s just 1/x options so it’s pretty low

[slow marsh]

if you kill her that week

[fallen arch]

Oh if you kill

[cursive silo]

Timewalking has nothing to do with what bosses you killed lol

[plain thistle]

duplicate phial WA and change to feint

[misty bough]

nobody got a feint/cloak CD and active WA?

fuck yes

thanks jhon

phial? u mean crimson vial right

[slow marsh]

maybe not that week but i think you have to have killed her in general. idk i remember some people saying something like that

[plain thistle]

vial yes sorry xD

[slow marsh]

tbh i dont pay attention to timewalking stuff

[misty bough]

think you could help me real quick jhon?

[slow marsh]

if it was heroic loot and dagger could drop then i'd be more informed

[misty bough]

I can hop on #two-person-1 and stream

would appreciate it a ton

[plain thistle]

right click > duplicate

after that go to triggers and change to feint

[misty bough]

come on baby <34

[plain thistle]

xD

[misty bough]

ok, now how do i make it to always show :c

[quasi venture]

Desturate

[misty bough]

vecause right now its up but not showing

same with vial

[quasi venture]

Copy and desturate one of the copys

[misty bough]

im sorry but I got no clue what that means :/

thats why im streaming in voice, hoping someone could help me

[quasi venture]

Duplicate the feint. Go to the duplicate. Click on display and there should be a box called desturate

Check that in

[misty bough]

duplicated the fucker

[abstract flicker]

is it normal that i sim higher in st as assa then sub cause im necro?

doomblade as assa, finalty as sub btw...

[woeful meteor]

you miss obedience on sub by being necro so probably yes apart from necro not being that good for sub st

[cursive silo]

Finality isn’t the best legendary either

[polar ether]

hey guys. I want to ask for your opinion just for minmax reasoning. Witch one do you think is better, sharpening stone with agility potion or shadowcore with phantom fire? I can't decide and sims didn't help.

[cursive silo]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[woeful meteor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[polar ether]

❤️

[frosty cedar]

any oilers

[misty bough]

https://streamable.com/oto3n1

WOHO I DID IT

hmm, the cloak CD is kinda whack

[wintry mica]

man how you gunna have 104 health pots in your bags

[misty bough]

gotta refill consumes soon

[cursive silo]

Why do you have legion pots

[misty bough]

?

prolonged?

[cursive silo]

Yea

[misty bough]

those are for prepotting dungeons on 1sec pulltimer

had no clue they were from legion lmfao

I wonder if potion of empowered exorcisms is good in aoe cleave, simming time

[cursive silo]

Probably worse than agi

[misty bough]

most likely

im using phantomfires and oil, idk why

triggers me that the oil have CD

[kind talon]

Idk what that is

What is that

[misty bough]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=171352/potion-of-empowered-exorcisms

[cursive silo]

Phantom fire but aoe

[lament dove]

can it be that frost domination set sims almost 10% lower than unholy? or did I set something wrong in raidbots?

[misty bough]

frost is op for us now

[cursive silo]

Probably the later

[subtle kiln]

post your sim

[misty bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i6GDqR1gkaaMe4DKWRCPaT phantomfire (hectic addcleave 20sec 10bosses)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cHDW6JD62F47R7KWkZ9UNa Empowered exorcism (hectic addcleave 20sec 10bosses)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cFdT6XazCKXmsLGStYTi9k Agility pot (hectic addcleave 20sec 10bosses)

[kind talon]

Uh

20 second sim

When pots are 25 seconds

[misty bough]

yes, its a AoE nuke for dungeons

oh fuck

[kind talon]

Lol

Just do a 5 minute sim

[misty bough]

bro i cba

im never gonna use that excorism shit anyway

[cursive silo]

Imagine potting on a 20 sec 10 mob pack

Kekw

[kind talon]

Yeah it’s dogshit

[subtle kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-oops-ouch-well-maybe-gif-15443300

[kind talon]

Agi is just guaranteed dmg to all dots

Doesn’t matter positioning

[misty bough]

yea

[kind talon]

[misty bough]

i should start using agi pots instead of phantomfire

[kind talon]

Ye

Prob

[misty bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wvJ46gN2x5ffCRELcQar6z agi pot (oil)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8GCbmdh7FcSCeFkeaKtDz3 phantomfire (oil)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cMeqzy8VZeeFQk6W3ZCSsw agi pot (20ap)

looks like im sticking to the phantomfire oil

[lament dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hYYYSJfUYxEnmTCvHLZ4Ca

[misty bough]

simtalents for most dps

how much crit do u have strayhand?

[lament dove]

only 25%

[misty bough]

oh, gotta get that up

[lament dove]

it means that much?

[cursive silo]

You don’t have

Shoulders

[misty bough]

mines at 35% and i feel low

[cursive silo]

Bro

[misty bough]

lmfao shoulders is the frost set

[lament dove]

ah lol, right:DD

[misty bough]

but he is simming unholy set here

[lament dove]

sorry folks

[misty bough]

I doubt frost is better with 25% crit anyway

but im not sure

[cursive silo]

He is simming between unholy and frost

[subtle kiln]

you kinda need a frost socket in your shoulders unless i’m just not seeing it. also try dashing lego

looking on mobile is 🔎

[lament dove]

so that's settled^^

[misty bough]

😄

[cursive silo]

Just add shoulders to the sim

And youll see

[lament dove]

but what I don't understand is, why does raidbots change the place of the gems in the sockets? does that count?

[cursive silo]

No it doesnt raidbots just orders them by id i think

[misty bough]

simming frost shards (comparing) didnt work properly for me

i simply had to go buy them and upgrade them to T3 and then do a quicksim

[cursive silo]

What

No don’t do that

Lmao

[misty bough]

yea it was scuffed as fuck

we tried plenty of sims

[cursive silo]

It works for everyone else

Lol

[cobalt pelican]

ummm

[real bay]

[misty bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tZLjCBPtkRuEfRBdC3aUzT

added T5 unholy and T5 frost

do i gotta change sockets perhaps kekw

[cursive silo]

Bro

[real bay]

lmao

fixd

[misty bough]

that did explain a lot

can you "modify" and add like 50agility in the sim somehow?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/RRr4RvdXKLtG5C7ZSMjVr kekw i feel stupid

[lament dove]

we are too casual for this shit bro:D

[cobalt pelican]

if you went to the vendor and bought shards before asking it's not just a feeling bud

but we can all grow : )

[misty bough]

I got T4 unholy set, T3 frost set and i destroyed a T4 unholy shard last week

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

[real bay]

bro

get the addon

[misty bough]

I dont wanna talk about it

i got the addon now

but u can no longer destroy em

[scenic osprey]

I could be the top 80 survival hunters

[arctic hare]

Lol, amazing

[scenic osprey]

shiv

how much dps loss if never use shiv ?

[real bay]

shiv is a completely different spell for ass

[scenic osprey]

its like tiger's fury lol

[slow marsh]

1mil

[fallen arch]

1bil

[real bay]

its the old talent toxic blade baked into shiv

[scenic osprey]

how many env should be inside shiv window ?

[fallen arch]

Anywhere between 0 and 100

As long as you press it on cd

[scenic osprey]

trinket

[fallen arch]

But you can aim for 3 if you pull right

Poool

[scenic osprey]

worth saving bonespike for shiv window ?

[fallen arch]

No

Spend those in gemstone windows

[vestal wren]

quite a bit:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/og6BL1g4guzHKt1QQb9ZHn

[scenic osprey]

4%

[fallen arch]

Lol

I thought it would have been more

It’s more intricate than that

But ye that’s pretty much what it is

On ST that is

For m+/aoe it’s a different cookie

[scenic osprey]

save shiv for sooth

or kiting

[vestal wren]

i haven't followed the conversation but keeping your maintainers up and strategically using your cds should bring you further

[fallen arch]

Not the first thing I was thinking about but ye sure

[hollow river]

Never

[rancid pier]

On bosses like the nine where there are two targets, how do you manage your opener? Do you open and drop all cds on one boss and bleed the second boss after?

[hollow river]

I’ve been wondering about this too^^^

That’s what I do though

Seems to work just fine

[slow marsh]

you do the same thing you do in any multi target right

[fallen arch]

Not really

Cos i dont play subterfuge there

[slow marsh]

in any 2t

[fallen arch]

You*

[hollow river]

Nah idk about that

Wasting vendetta if u start cleaving immediately

[slow marsh]

open with muti slice garrote flag rupt

then garrote rupt

then shiv vendetta vanish

[hollow river]

And you’re forgetting CT

You don’t have enough time to stay on 1 target throughout vendetta and keep bleeds up on the 2nd target

The first round of bleeds on 2nd target would end up dropping anyway but idk I’m noob

[scenic osprey]

omg I cant do CT on ST

[hollow river]

Why not?

[fallen arch]

I bet @limber lion has something sensible to say about this

[scenic osprey]

how much loss is bomb compare to ct

[rancid pier]

I’m thinking you would stay on one boss with cds and maybe drop your 2nd mutlate on the 2nd boss to get poisons going

[cerulean nest]

am I dumb for not swapping to sub rn?

[hollow river]

I feel like I remember Cev saying you open on 1 until CDs are done but idk

[scenic osprey]

if you have right gear anytime

[hollow river]

No sin is fine just a little behind

[fallen arch]

Ye me too, but feels like a waste not to at least bonespike and rup the other

[scenic osprey]

I dont think its behind , its dependant on fights

[hollow river]

Well I don’t play necro atm

You definitely SBS the 2nd target

For sure

Which might allow for a rupture too but idk

Could use for CT and stay on 1st target

[fallen arch]

Cos the extra energy from garr and rup on the 2nd target during ur vendetta must be invaluable

[hollow river]

Ye that’s true too like I said idk

[fallen arch]

So what I do

[hollow river]

I tried getting bleeds on both targets

Then using CDs on prio

It felt bad

[cerulean nest]

im just saving up cinders and am trying to decide if i wanna go dashing or obedience

two different paths

[fallen arch]

Sbs, snd, sbs 2nd, garr, rup, switch to first, shiv vendetta vanish on that one and then just maintain everything on both

[hollow river]

I feel like you could use your 3rd SBS as well

[fallen arch]

I can’t imagine there’s a better way but I might be wrong

[slow marsh]

you use cds on main

and bleed 2nd

i already said

[fallen arch]

Oh ye ofc in the gemstone window

[hollow river]

Waiting for gemstone is pure ST I think

[slow marsh]

bleed 2nd during cds

[hollow river]

No I mean for the CP in opener

[fallen arch]

Gemstone is pretty much instant after vanish

[hollow river]

True

[hollow river]

Wouldn’t that waste some vendetta value?

[fallen arch]

No btw

[slow marsh]

no

it would gain

[fallen arch]

I shoot the 3rd into a small add

[slow marsh]

more energy for vendetta target

[fallen arch]

So it resets

And u can use more

[hollow river]

I wish I was necro

[fallen arch]

Swap

[hollow river]

I switched to Venthyr before patch

[fallen arch]

Ez

[hollow river]

Not worth it

[fallen arch]

It’s good being a stinkyboy

Especially on the Nine

That fight feels made for sbs

[hollow river]

I can play all 3 specs optimally as Venthyr

Might be going outlaw

[fallen arch]

Doesnt pirate like kyrian now?

[hollow river]

Venthyr bis

For all specs ST

[red bloom]

just play what you enjoy, not like you're going for world first, if you are, I hate to break it to you but thats gone and past

[scenic osprey]

I personally dont do sub because I dont enjoy higher stress burst window ever 30s

[gusty mirage]

Yea kyrian outlaw is strong too

[scenic osprey]

and not a huge fan of ol rng either

[red bloom]

I enjoy all three, but i'll stick with one through a tier, sometimes I just need to feel like a basic bitch with my classic thunderfurys

[hollow river]

Lmao. I need to get thunderfurys and the artifact swords/daggers..

I’m using Blackrock Foundry daggers/sword

[red bloom]

broken bottles for life

[real bay]

torturing pokers

[deft obsidian]

Ayo, quick question, what should i do at 3 combo points, without garrote or shiv?

Do i build with mutilate or just 3 point envenom / rupture?

[violet jackal]

build

im pretty sure you are never doing a 3 point finisher that isn't slice and dice

[rapid lintel]

ik it prob depends on dungeon, but are you guys running crimson tempest on tyrannical?

[spice spire]

Always

In m+ run CT

[rapid lintel]

thanks

[spice spire]

You can debate legendaries x y and z. But CT will always be ran

No problem

[deft obsidian]

I was thinking that it would be pretty wastefull since generally theres a ~50% chance to generate at least 3 cp

[spice spire]

Don’t worry about seal fate in that case.

Just keep to the rule max-1 for finishers

[deft vault]

Hol up I just saw we're gonna get empowered conduit? What are those exactly?

We start getting em at like Renown 60 something

[narrow ravine]

I think it just goes top to bottom and increases the ilevel of whatever power is in that socket

so soon we will need to sim which potency conduit to empower

[deft vault]

I see. Do we know how much stronger they'll be?

[soft shale]

assa is quite decent on cleave

[deft vault]

The nine were top tier I believe

[soft shale]

even without cds

[narrow minnow]

personal preference, but even if kyrian was good for rogue, i wouldn't do it...the ability is annoying mini-game thrown into your rotation

[narrow ravine]

having a hard time finding real numbers but I think it just adds 26 ilevels to whatever is already socketed

[narrow minnow]

also, i'm pretty sure the guides had WPS in the top potency slot for a reason

[deft vault]

So 40%shiv

Big dam

[narrow ravine]

so if you can get a 252 conduit empowered to 278

[cobalt pelican]

ya

just +2 ranks from whatever you have

[narrow ravine]

the more important shiv gets the more I worry im not doing it right 😛

mostly just using it on CD, set an audio alert weak aura to loop if its off cooldown

[arctic hare]

That, yeah, i really ought to do that lol

[frigid wigeon]

Potion of phantom fire or potion of agility for raid purposes?

I see phantom fire being recommended, just wanna make sure

[cobalt pelican]

mostly doesn't matter

[frigid wigeon]

Also any way of changing the sim on raibots to run a different potion to see the difference?

[cobalt pelican]

difference is negligible, agi works for keys and multitarget too so i just usually have those

[red plaza]

Phantom fires + Oil are cheaper for me, at least on my server, so if you're a broke boy you can stock up on those XD

[narrow ravine]

alchemist + engineer thats what I go with on my rogue, make my druid harvest

get the extra long flasks and cheap raid pots, battle rez for keys

repair bots, orobus AH and wormhole teleports are just icing on the cake

[frigid wigeon]

Do rogues bother about battle rez in raids?

I guess it depends on the guild/group right?

[narrow ravine]

only as wipe prevention, druids handle the real brez

but im generally the last to die and if someone doesnt get it off I can rez a healer

that bonesmith conduit power that keeps me alive 10 seconds after death, I also can get a brez off during that, its great

[frigid wigeon]

Shame, I'm Venthyr

[narrow ravine]

its a shame night fae is so awful, seedpod is awesome too

[strange python]

Sub isn't as far ahead unless you have sylv daggers at heroic+ ilvl. Dashing frost makes sin very competitive.

[narrow ravine]

I used to main a night fae druid before this tier

I have been doing m+ as sin and thinking maybe next legendary should go to outlaw or sub for m+

[cerulean nest]

yeah thats what its seeming like. i dont have the daggers yet but i have pretty much everything else I would need for a good sub build

[alpine latch]

I'm going to loot Edge of Night this weekend when I pug a KT/Sylv kill and I'm getting EoN in my vault on Tuesday also ... I can feel it.

Gotta stay positive

[red plaza]

[alpine latch]

I both need Sylv/KT killed this weekend (and I have to pug it), and I also need Edge of Night

So let's dream big

[frigid wigeon]

How many shards of domination are there? 5?

Ranks*

[untold nest]

Yes

300 embers from r1 to 5 per set if iirc

[frigid wigeon]

That's a lot of embers

[narrow ravine]

Been tracking my own purchases with a spreadsheet

marking the cost to 0 as I buy them

still need 296 more to rank 5 the 5 I plan on using

101 if I just upgrade frost and ignore dyz and bek

[sinful citrus]

I too have been lying to myself every week 🤣

[narrow ravine]

need to sim if its better to push for rank 5 frost first or upgrade the 2 dps shards and stay at rank 4

[alpine latch]

You get embers across all versions, right?

Or is it only one the first kill regardless of difficulty?

[timid coral]

Higher difficulties give more embers, and if you kill on lower difficulty first, when you kill on higher you loot the difference

[alpine latch]

gotcha

I'm just hoping my guild can get at least 7/10 this week. I know Fatescribe will probably cuck us

I just really want to start getting KT/Sylv on heroic every week so I can be disappointed in not getting my drops

Trying to avoid buying a carry and earning it, as the price will go down each week anyway.

[quaint carbon]

whats is a good % uptime of rupture/garrot on Painsmith ?

nvm im dumb just gotta check better people logs

[safe patrol]

the dashing frost build feels really good and Im even not optimal when it comes to crit yet. dashing still sims the best doe

238 w 34 crit so way to go but already liking it

[frosty cedar]

Same as me then, 239 36 crit and it feels great

So much better than missing an unholy window because of a mechanic or intermission

Plus the survivability is insane

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[strange silo]

Do we need to change smth rotationwise with dashing?

[wheat whale]

how much crit/haste should one aim for with the frost/dashing set? The guide and pin just says "high value" - but what is a "high" value

Im at 32% Crit / 23% haste now

cant really sim it as i am still missing the legendary and the frost shoulders

[pseudo hamlet]

Gimme a sec, I will tell you

[pseudo hamlet]

don't think so, it's just more fluent thanks to bonus energy regen

[tawdry sparrow]

Am only 33% crit and 20% haste.. hope i can get both value’s up more next lockout.. guess its all about luck on drops..

[strange silo]

alright im not quite sure if i wanna go for dashing at this point with t3 frost it sims 80 dps increase with t5 frost and no stat change it goes up to 110 more but if it feels better and does more dmg i might consider it

[pseudo hamlet]

With ~29 crit and 24% haste frost shards + dashing is simming higher for me than other shards and legendaries 🙂
Its the best to sim yourself still!

[heavy coral]

Frost set with dashing makes BS/DS build feel way less clunky

Personal preference buut i enjoy playing blindslide

[ornate lake]

Is it as noticeable as switching to vigor?

(Without dashing)

[pseudo hamlet]

BS is also simming higher for me than vigor

[wheat whale]

So how important is haste still with that built?
@pseudo hamlet could you do me a favor and post your stat weigths with that Frost ST built?

[heavy coral]

Its close to vigor when it comes to smoothness

Way more smooth than it used to be with doomblade

[fervent rune]

So is the play to run bs/ds for all content with that build or only for the st fights

Frost ds build

[pseudo hamlet]

unfortunately I am doing TW with legendaries/HoA/daggers/etc. I cannot do it right now

[wheat whale]

no worries

[pseudo hamlet]

I guess that Zoldyck is still superior, not sure for how much

[strange silo]

Does dashing envenom buff all poison crits or just the one on the "main" target?

[pseudo hamlet]

All crits I think

[alpine latch]

Damn. There's never a time where my r6 Obedience will lose to r4 DS. Guess I'm not changing until I'm rocking a r6 DS then

[wheat whale]

I cant wait to change. I am so hyped for that frost set. I love the mechanic, it sounds so fun

[tawdry sparrow]

Rpob not the end of the worldb😊 i’ll be waiting for max rank DS anyways

[alpine latch]

With my current gear, r6 DS is only a 40 DPS increase

[wheat whale]

Can't even sim it because i am missing shoulders and legendary

[steep torrent]

The Book Of Shadows is only for 2 bosses? Are there anything like it for the new raid?

[soft shale]

work in progress

[steep torrent]

Yes, my only info is wowhead, which suggested to cloak "to dispel Daschla's Mighty Impact." which worked for me on HC last week, but today it just exploded the whole thing on my Mythic raid 😄 so outdated

on The Nine

[wintry mica]

if i only have enough for one should i make obe or zoldyck for keys?

[cold rampart]

miam mangle or well placed steel?

[wintry mica]

sim it, but maim usually wins out if you are running doomblade

[cold rampart]

yep

[thin imp]

PF Dagger > Mist Dagger for the crit with frost?

[wintry mica]

, but almost certainly yes

[thin imp]

doing it

yea a whole lot of 23 dps

[pseudo hamlet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9FJwUDo5V9FkvKTEnXM4Tr
Breaking the 9k! +100 dps compared to the sim I've had yesterday... and that's with just single different item with crit I've got today!

[white jetty]

is macroing flag+vendetta considered a bad practice?

I see the guides recommend flag->rupture->vendetta but I can't seem to understand why shouldn't I just macro flag+vend then rupture

[quasi venture]

yes its not very optimal

[white jetty]

but why?

[untold verge]

Hey hey shiv on Cd or shiv before envenom?

[quasi venture]

because the rupture will scale with the vendetta bcs there is no thing as snaps anymore. So initially you will miss a gcd and the time it takes to cast the remaining 2 mutilates. and that will cost you alot during your vendetta "pump"

but if you flag->rupture then vendetta pump you will save those seconds to funnel it into a big pump

[white jetty]

oh wow, thanks Fazz!

[quasi venture]

npnp

[placid pagoda]

Damn @limber lion see you in top 10 of most SoD HC kills that impressive

[limber lion]

:)

[placid pagoda]

You running FA trink pretty much every fight?

[limber lion]

Yes, it's really good with the frost set.

[placid pagoda]

Nice I’m nearly rank 4 on all shards

[heavy coral]

Whats FA trink

[placid pagoda]

Fusion amplifier

[quasi venture]

Fusion amplifyer

[heavy coral]

Ah

[quasi venture]

amplifier*

[placid pagoda]

You going to run dashing or you sticking with doom?

[heavy coral]

Ah, always called it guardian tinket

[limber lion]

Dashing eventually, just don't have the cinders currently.

[exotic hare]

Frost set best for assa?

[quasi venture]

with enough crit yes.

[placid pagoda]

Yes same next week will have dashing 262

[placid pagoda]

High crit builds yeah it’s big; I went from 8.4K to 9.1K with dashing and high frost shards

[placid pagoda]

In sims

[exotic hare]

Damn thats crazy @placid pagoda

[quasi venture]

I wonder why no assa rogue has followed me into the subterfuge dream on the nine mythic still solobolo

[limber lion]

Who knows, maybe there's a private logger or two that also do that.

[quasi venture]

man i was actually gonna ask you if you did.

[quasi venture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KJbQ8HFgNtwLhPVG#fight=84&type=damage-done i say this here, i tried MA and it was so boring. spiced it up with subter to test it out and it actually was soo much more fun, especially since it lines with the first bleed drop with the add spawn so the vanish is fucking perfect.

[limber lion]

Yeah, looks great. If it works, just keep at it :P

It's just one talent, so it's not the biggest thing in the world.

[quasi venture]

Nah, I mean MA for other fights are just reign supreme but yea, since first week of the raid i always found the nine a real cringe boss, so wanted to test something new.

[hollow river]

Hey @limber lion

There was some discussion earlier about how to properly open on 2 target cleave, was wondering if you had any input.

[wintry mica]

dot second one after you do your vanish combo

at least thats what Cev did on his nine log lol

[hollow river]

So switch targets even during vendetta?

[wintry mica]

yea thats too much dot uptime to lose

[drifting cloud]

both is fine if youre dotting 2nd one up before cds youre just risking losing a cast of cds

its the same thing as huntsman

[hollow river]

Well on huntsman I had SBS

Made it quicker to get out those extra dots on opener

[slow marsh]

Imagine that =P

[limber lion]

Just apply the second rupture after the Shiv window.

You don't really need the energy regen that the second rupture gives during a lust opener, and it's slightly less damage than just pumping out Envenoms.

[hollow river]

We don’t open with lust

[limber lion]

[slow marsh]

Lust at 20%

Probs

[hollow river]

We lust after the third one comes down

Kek

Still in hc atm

[slow marsh]

Yikers

[hollow river]

Moving to mythic next week hopefully we down sylv

[slow marsh]

Not at heroic but at lusting at that weird time

[hollow river]

Yeah well

I don’t get to choose ):

[strange python]

how do u sim the shards, like whenever i input all of the Foreboding it still shows them in the results as un-upgraded.

[wintry mica]

check the box that says replace

[pale plank]

God damn doing almost 10k

[strange python]

this one ?

[hollow river]

No

“Use gems and enchants you don’t have”

On the gems enchants part of the page

[hollow river]

^^^^^

[strange python]

605k / 300k lool

[wintry mica]

yea good luck simming stuff without premium this patch

[hollow river]

Yeeep

[strange python]

not only blizzard makes me pay, now raidbots as well 😄

[quasi venture]

Well if our shaman didnt forget to use flametongue during the whole fight it would of been over 10 k

[hollow river]

What is flame tongue

[quasi venture]

well its a shaman spell that procs lava lash, so our shaman probably lost around 600k raw damage.

which mean our boss timer went up quiiite a bit

[pale plank]

@quasi venture u play outlaw for the whole raid?

[quasi venture]

I never play outlaw fyyyfan

[drifting cloud]

well you had a perfect kill timer for your cds tho

your vendetta expires at like 6:40

[hollow river]

Assssaaaa

[quasi venture]

ye but if everyone played better in that kill the min b4 it was even better. @drifting cloud

we are boosting like 4 people that kill quite literaly.

[drifting cloud]

yeah im just sayinf if the boss dies 40s faster

you probably do less dps

[hollow river]

O.o

[quasi venture]

i think at the 5:50 mark i was like 10,3 k ish

[hollow river]

Thought the shorter the fight the higher your dps is

[quasi venture]

but yea the last vendetta helped the dip

ofc

[drifting cloud]

you can check all that 😛

[quasi venture]

ye i did,

[drifting cloud]

youre 9.5 at 6:07

[hollow river]

How do you differentiate phases on your log timer?

[quasi venture]

whatever do you mean @hollow river ? you can either check replay on the whole fight, or there is a "phase" section on the log like where you can check p1 damage and p2 damage etc

[pale plank]

Wtf for some reason it had the outlaw icon for me in logs, I must be going crazy

[quasi venture]

ye trust me you will never ever see me play outlaw ever again.

[hollow river]

Ok I didn’t know there was a phase section

[quasi venture]

xd

[quasi venture]

yep it's a very good add-on to the website, you can see if something is lacking etc in your guild for the different scenarios

[hollow river]

let me see if i can find it now that i'm at the pc

[pale plank]

@quasi venture what surprise me the most is how much of ur dmg comes from ur melee

[hollow river]

oh wow it's right there up at the top leftish of the page nice

[quasi venture]

Well if there is something im min maxing is my active. @pale plank

[hollow river]

guess i just overlooked it. so much info/different options on logs lol

maybe he has an enhancement shaman in his group? o:

[toxic falcon]

On big aoe pulls in +15 and higher keys what is the secret to getting up in the 15-20k range I’m hard pressed at 10k-12k running necro bone smith?

[narrow storm]

what would you guys do
I have the 235 Doomblade shoulders (havent got Dom shoulders yet)
Should i make the max doomblade cape
or make the max Insignia legs?
I mainly raid but doing some keys would be nice to use the best lego

[quasi venture]

@pale plank like this is a solid rogue in my guild with more power in his weapons etc, and my active on just hitting is alot more, and that is 100% the goal of higher parsing.

im the left and his the right.

[hollow river]

wait, autos are the goal of higher parsing?

[quasi venture]

well if you can't keep a good active with your melee attacks thats often the main source of your damage your gonna flop in your logs.

[hollow river]

what do you mean a good active?

[toxic falcon]

Really so maintain good active white melee?

[drifting cloud]

its because he doesnt have a tabard equipped!

[hollow river]

just trying to remain in range for your autos to land hits?

[pale plank]

@quasi venture any plans on switching to Dashing Frost?

[quasi venture]

i will switch to frost yes. but "cough" this very well designed game made me waste my embers on unholy so you know

[pale plank]

😂

I gave outlaw the other night a try, and yea I couldn’t do it, I prefer sin play style way more

[quasi venture]

ye like im pretty sure that if you figure out what you are gonna do/stand/be during a fight b4 the encounter even starts you can 100% min max your auto attacks etc always premove to a spawned target to not lose any hits etc.

[subtle tundra]

man, doing 10.8k overall is good, right? but when mage does 12k and shaman 11.8k it doesnt feel good at all

[hollow river]

or just not swap to a spawned target at all

[quasi venture]

that works

[hollow river]

10.8k is good for a key. willing to bet a lot u did better boss damage and that's what you're there for.

[hollow river]

only on some things, like the balls on Remnant. they get blown up in 5 seconds. not worth.

[subtle tundra]

nope, mage did more than me on all bosses except first one(mists, so i burst a lot)

and by a significant amount

[toxic falcon]

You running duck or doom legendary this week @subtle tundra

[hollow river]

frost?

[red bloom]

Ele will rake in all yours and the mages overall as well with his add dam

[subtle tundra]

y

[subtle tundra]

duck?

i run obedience

[toxic falcon]

Hmm trying to decide if i want to go venty

[hollow river]

well a good frost mage can be hard to beat they are very consistant

[subtle tundra]

then they are just a better rogue

[hollow river]

and ranged with lust

[red bloom]

Catching on

[hollow river]

[drifting cloud]

you play triple potency or the tea buff?

varas

[subtle tundra]

nadja

[drifting cloud]

I see

[quasi venture]

realized it was remnant and not painsmith kek. like rupturing the balls on nerzhul will gain you more then like pure 500 dps on the fight no joke

[hollow river]

how

just from the "sniped" regen?

[quasi venture]

the energy reg will get you going forever.

[hollow river]

do you 5cp rupt them?

[subtle tundra]

idk what more i can do its getting to my head when other players just do 1k+ more than me in m+

[hollow river]

well rogue has utility

[quasi venture]

nah depends, but atleast 3. if they got hit by the thingiemcthingie i just maybe even 1 cp them.

[hollow river]

"""

[hollow river]

o.O

idk rogue in keys getting kinda old to me as well

[subtle tundra]

i did bring shroud to skip first pack so atleast that

but 1k dps more from another class would've been better i'd say

[hollow river]

[subtle tundra]

im slowly catching my monk up

it was 224 last patch

and hopefully ill enjoy necrolord on it

[quasi venture]

but missing overall 1-2 million boss damage in a dungeon might make or break the key also

[hollow river]

monks boss damage just sucks doesn't it

[subtle tundra]

but when it does 2-3k more overall and you gain a couple of minutes for more boss time, its not that bad

[hollow river]

i find it easier to get into tyrannical keys as rogue tbh

but still not very easy

[subtle tundra]

its not about getting in keys easier

its about being able to do higher keys

and making them easier

[hollow river]

rogues already been doing 23s

[subtle tundra]

that doesnt mean its best

its the same setups as last tier most of the time

[quasi venture]

yea well rogues will never be the best aslong as they are capped and that is just the plain truth.

[hollow river]

yep

[strange python]

Lots more locks this tier.

[subtle tundra]

its still early tier so meta aint established

[hollow river]

loooots more

[drifting cloud]

well yeah anything more than 0 is gonna be lots

[hollow river]

i feel like Prot warrior, ww, dh, rogue has a chance this tier

full melee comp

or even switch dh for enhance

enhance is actually blasting

[quasi venture]

milk that wf totem.

[subtle tundra]

if you want full melee enhance pops off

[hollow river]

ya

[pale plank]

Yea right now, warrior, monks, and dh are popping off in keys

[hollow river]

enhance too

doing like 30k 5-6 target

[pale plank]

I have not seen an enh yet

[hollow river]

and good boss dam

check it out on YT

[pale plank]

I will definitely check

[hollow river]

there's a couple ppl who do commentary on their recorded keys

[pale plank]

All I see are ele Bcz they are pumping on every pack and boss

[hollow river]

my guild leader asked me if i wanted to make an enhance,

but we have no Arms warriors or Prot

1 sub rogue

and plenty other melee

[quasi venture]

according to our enhances weakaura or addon or whatever, me and the other rogue benefits more from the totem then our warriors which is actually kinda interesting.

big milk

[hollow river]

idk about that

OH swings aren't benefitting from WFT right now

so his wa could be wrong.

[quasi venture]

ye probably

[drifting cloud]

from what melee dmg count?

warr gets rage from procs thats why its insane not the actual white dmg

[quasi venture]

yy

[hollow river]

ye

that's why its better on sub than sin/outlaw

shadow tech

[drifting cloud]

theres no way a wa can caculate how much actual dmg that is for arms 😛

[quasi venture]

but also, weapon damage for warriors are also king, so it's a win win situation.

[pale plank]

@quasi venture mind if I ask u on which fights are u taking CT over Poison bomb?

[quasi venture]

on mythic 100% soulrender, it was very solid on the nine. Rohkalo is a good CT fight. Remnant mythic CT works but id probably still go bomb.

[pale plank]

Nice, thanks for the advice. I have been running PB on all fight as of right now

What about CT in sylv? For arrow and adds?

[quasi venture]

on hc i would never, on mythic for prog probably a good start and then later change into PB.

[pale plank]

[quasi venture]

but CT is also a extra button so if you have bad managment on when and where you gonna press it, it could just be a bad move.

[limber lion]

I disagree with a lot of those takes personally.

But it's a matter of preference in the end.

I would never run CT on Painsmith or on Nine, nor on Sylvanas.

[hollow river]

really?

[drifting cloud]

rohkalo is fatescribe cev

[hollow river]

i can understand not running it on painsmith

[drifting cloud]

you silly fin

[hollow river]

but not on the nine or sylvanas?

[quasi venture]

Ye painsmith i would never.

[limber lion]

Oh wwlp

[hollow river]

wouldn't the dps gained on the 2/3 target out weigh the loss on ST?

[limber lion]

People using weird ass names for Fatescribe and Painsmith

[quasi venture]

but as i said during a progression state for a non top guild if adds are a problem CT would probably be a good preferance for that person if he likes to help the guild on sylvanas adds BUT id probably go with bomb in the end aswell.

[limber lion]

Can't remember which is which.

[limber lion]

You can sim it if you'd like.

Using advanced sims.

[hollow river]

i know that but like

[quasi venture]

but as cev said like what ive felt during this whole raid its so much what you feel.

[hollow river]

feels like obvious to me

[limber lion]

But for me, they were about equal

[hollow river]

maybe i'm stupid

[limber lion]

Most of the fight is ST

[jagged viper]

Anyone know if we still go with the unholy sockets or switching to frost?

[hollow river]

simsimsim

[limber lion]

Frost is pretty good.

I personally just use Frost

[quasi venture]

Frost works well on most fights where you can funnel the crits etc and pray to jesus it hits the target you want it to hit aswell.

[hollow river]

D:

sounds bad

[jagged viper]

Thanks! 🙂

[hollow river]

but no matter what target it hits you gain that dps

[limber lion]

Yes

[quasi venture]

but most bosses are pure ST aswell so it will hit the target you like

[limber lion]

It's good

Nothing wrong with it

[quasi venture]

ye, im longing for my embers so i can start frost pew pew

but unholy is kinda fun aswell.

[deft obsidian]

This reset coming, we good 👍

I’ll have r4 of both and can just test it all out

[quasi venture]

ye, but then again gotta wait a extra week for dashing in 262 aswell

[jagged osprey]

FUCK

boys

its happene

[deft obsidian]

I’ll have enough for 262 dashing this reset 👀

[jagged osprey]

frost/DS is simming higher for me now

[quasi venture]

big.

[deft obsidian]

Missions table RNG

[limber lion]

I'm simming quite a bit better with frost and without dashing

[quasi venture]

yee.. ive changed covenants 4 times on my rogue during this expac sooo mission tables are not on my table atm.

[limber lion]

Just doomblade + r4 frost

[limber lion]

Just 4 times?

[quasi venture]

[deft obsidian]

Legit there is like a 15 dps difference between doom and dash for me based off r4 frost

[limber lion]

For me it's around 200 dps at r6

[quasi venture]

even if you had a dashing or just overall like better?

[limber lion]

My 262 doomy is better than 235 dashing.

Sims better overall.

[jagged osprey]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a2vpzp8wzTEdk1evKVmHyX

[modern heart]

ye im on 60 diff with frost(r3)+obedience(262) vs frost(r3)+ dashing(235)

[quasi venture]

ah ye. i mean frost looks very solid. so id just go the same as you next week with r4 and doomblade to try it out. my crit is pretty much min maxed for it even if im unholy atm.

[hollow river]

i don't wanna swap back necro ): i've found my happy place, full sanctum upgraded, getting higher lvl followers etc

but after prog, if we ever get CE... i want sbs back so bad

[deft obsidian]

Yeh in fairness I need to rejig for more crit so it was sims based off existing gear with dashing/r4 frost

[quasi venture]

sadness is @hollow river that the most fun ive had in any of the covenants is fae i wish it was solid

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dDPwFB3kzGSghZZL9hULXY
163 dps difference for me between 262 doom and 262 dashing

[hollow river]

o.O?

[quasi venture]

ye thats solid @limber lion .

[hollow river]

i like kyrian the most i think

was my first cov

can't stand nf

[deft obsidian]

That big fusion amp 🤤

[quasi venture]

but yea i played boomie during whole of CN so not having the little foxie is sadness @hollow river

[quasi venture]

you know if you were female belf you hit the 11k mark on the sims right?

[misty holly]

Mechagnome would have hit 11k easy

[quasi venture]

belf is rank 1 with frost shard duh

or actually, berserk would probably make your shit tick more often > would funnel the shard proc > go boom boom.

[worldly bobcat]

Help me understand something: if another rogue has more melee than me on the same target, is that white damage? more hits/haste, are they faster, is it overall dps?

[pale plank]

I remember a couple of days back, it was like the apocalypse here people freaking out that they have to switch to frost and use dashing

It will probably be a bigger difference later on

[quasi venture]

Little bit of all. His probably not moving as much as you etc.

[fallen arch]

More haste, more crit, more vers, more uptime

[ebon notch]

ticking sack of terrors is simming the same as shadowgrasp totem

but it does a fuckload of damage

raidbots is accurate i assume?

[quasi venture]

probably, from own usage of ticking its very solid. does not fluctuate to much between pulls.

On a 5 min sim it should be at around 180k ish i think so if its around that its probably solid.

maybe a bit lower.

[somber thistle]

OBedience/doom/dashing All same on cloak ya

[quasi venture]

yup

[civic trellis]

Keep in mind it gives mastery while SW totem gives agility

[toxic falcon]

@quasi venture what % crit/haste/mastery/verse we looking for?

[willow prairie]

No magic number just sim

[strange python]

after alot of fail HC

[potent rune]

grats

[hot chasm]

gz, shes still holding out for me

[wind totem]

Normal dagger for me is a +11 dps upgrade. Not even worth it. Heroic is no where to be seen.

[strange python]

NO luck at all i try about +20 times +10 mists but butterly's dagger drops when i was in a +5 key ;D

[strange silo]

Hey how big of an issue is it if i refresh garrote/rupture like 2-3 sec too early? my issue most of the time is that im afraid ill loose uptime on it

[wild beacon]

like 2-3 seconds before it drops? perfectly fine, actually good because of pandemic window

[strange silo]

na like 2-3 before pandemic window

[marsh stone]

Hi everyone, I'm starting to improve SoD and I'm playing assa necrolord but I would like to know if there is a real increase in dps on the bosses if I switch venthyr, on the logs we see both (venth / necr)
My RL has no opinion but if the switch is really good I would change to pump more.
my logs:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/archimonde/khireefufu

Thank you for your answers!

[wild beacon]

i think rupture window is like 5-7 seconds so should be enough time to rebuild cp. refreshing early isn't ideal because you're wasting energy if it loses a tick. i'd say it's not a massive deal but if you're looking to optimise it'd be something to work on

[limber swallow]

for those running Marileth/Kevin's Oozling, what're you seeing for uptime on Kevin in your average M+ run? I'm usually seeing 50-65% depending on the dungeon, trying to see if I should push that higher.

[compact atlas]

If blood set sims better than frost by 500 dps should I go with it? I probably don't have enough crit for frost and unholy piece didn't drop for me so far :x

[dry copper]

if it's all you got

why not?

[woeful meteor]

It depends do you want more dmg now or in the long term upgrading to t4/5 takes a while

[dry copper]

just don't pump embers into it until you sim higher tiers of what you really want

[quasi venture]

Ye. Not really any Magic number. Should always check your stat weights after a new item. And change things like enchants etc after it. The dps increase per stat will change drastically per item if its a big stat upgrade etc

[woeful meteor]

Or always use top gear

[quasi venture]

But seeing What you dont have is a very good thing. That top gear cant provide

If lacking crit is What is shown in your stat weights you might be able to go and fish for the right item which Will -> a dps increase

[woeful meteor]

Idk, for that I use droptimizer, but its kinda annoying to use without premium

[quasi venture]

Ofc, i mean droptimizier is very good. Gear compare is golden if you have your sight in something you think would be an upgrade. There is probably more then a billion different ways to sim your char. Id say to keep track on What stats you are lacking is probably the most worth one of em all.

[polar matrix]

So it’s ideal to refresh rupture at 5-7 seconds? Can you elaborate on that

Never put any thought into it just refreshed before it drops tbh

[wild beacon]

yeah there's a specific time window before dropping where it will add the full amount on the new dot to the current one, known as pandemic window

[dark token]

Rupture window is 30% of current cp so

[wild beacon]

i don't know whether there's an optimal time within the pandemic window itself though

[dark token]

Iirc 5.6 seconds at 4cp and 7.2 seconds at 5cp

Idk exactly my weakaura just lights up when refreshable with current cp count

I hit it when it glows

[wild beacon]

yeah i have that too and just go by it

[dark token]

I suggest making all your WAs doing the thinking for you

[quasi venture]

Wow 2021 in a nutshell just hit it when it glows

[wild beacon]

only exception is situational like if i'm about to be off the boss for a while, then i'll just refresh early

[raven vapor]

When you refresh Rupture Icon Rupture, Garrote Icon Garrote, Crimson Tempest Icon Crimson Tempest, Envenom Icon Envenom or Slice and Dice Icon Slice and Dice before they expire, the remaining duration is added to the newly applied effect, up to 30% of the newly applied base duration. This mechanic is called "Pandemic".

Example — You can safely refresh a 5-Combo Point Rupture when it has 7.2 seconds or less remaining, because its base duration is 24 seconds. Deeper Stratagem Icon Deeper Stratagem allows for 6 Combo Point Ruptures, which last 28 seconds. 6-Combo Point Ruptures can be refreshed safely when they have 8.4 seconds or less remaining.

Safe Pandemic refresh timing is based off the newly applied base duration and not the original length of the effect. Therefore, a 2 Combo Point Rupture can benefit from full Pandemic if it is refreshed by a 4-5 Combo Point Rupture. We explain how to take advantage of this in the opening sequence later in the guide.

from icy-veins guide

[thin gate]

guys is anyone here up with a premium SIMC /raidbots acc

[raven vapor]

i've got premium

[thin gate]

can i send u my string?

for gear droptimizer

[raven vapor]

sure

[solemn mason]

what lego are we using for m+ now?

[quasi venture]

Zold

[feral lantern]

Wait is opener into a 2 combo point rupture a thing?

Lol thats jokes

[quasi venture]

Would not be a very ideal thing if running venthyr anyway

[balmy condor]

@polar matrix @raven vapor just want to point out we have a bot command for that now, !pd or !pandemic

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

anyway hi guys hope you're all doing well and having a great time I'm going to disappear again

[raven vapor]

i assumed there would be just didn't know the command!

[balmy condor]

it's fairly new to be fair

[quasi venture]

You on vacay whispyr?

[balmy condor]

mental health vacay, I'm actually at home with delta covid atm (both vaccines for 3 months btw keep wearing your masks it's not fun)

[fallen ginkgo]

oh sheesh get well soon, at least plenty of time to run those sims

[balmy condor]

yeah uh huh

the mental health vacay is to stay away from ravenholdt and sims

but now that I'm stuck at home

I'm bored as shit

[fallen ginkgo]

Dont say that or ppl gonna ask random questions again!

[balmy condor]

I'm sure this channel has been fine in my absence

right

[west geode]

we all went Night Fae without your guidence

[balmy condor]

ah

well

[cobalt pelican]

hippo form is worth it

[balmy condor]

korayn give crit and crit frost set and dashing crit and crit frost good so korayn crit and crit frost good too me monke brain

seems worth to me

[wild beacon]

Get well soon mate

[void needle]

Hey, anyone got any good suggestions for a ranged class that plays similar to sin? Wanted to build up a ranged alt so I can be flexible but stuck finding one with the same vibes.

[drifting cloud]

bm hunter

[narrow ravine]

only ranged class that plays like sin would be afflock

if you enjoy managing multiple dots on target

[zinc frost]

Get well soon man, us plebs will survive without our sim overlord

[narrow ravine]

play a different game to cleanse the palate

get into a single player RPG for a few hours

[dim ledge]

would it be a fair guess that dashing frost will be better on every boss than unholy doomblade if the sims cev showed translated for bis gear

[hollow talon]

did some raids with obe + DS/BS, its my best simming combo but i feel like im not pumpin as hard tho

as EP/vigor with doomblade

[kind talon]

Attention all assa rogues

It has come to my attention that WOWHEAD is trying to deceive us

Do not listen to their lies

[mortal pike]

DS/BS is a bait

[kind talon]

Vigor Blindside is actually dogshit????

DS/BS is atleast viable

[mortal pike]

Simming 300 dps less as venth now 🤔

[hollow talon]

ya i see very few top parses taking DS/BS

maybe its just bait

sims like 150 higher tho

but its cause i have 262 obe which i made for sub

[kind talon]

It’s not bait lmaoooo

Y’all are wilding

[hollow talon]

[pale plank]

whats the cape for dashing called?

so i can sim

[reef axle]

ep/vigor is honestly better for progression, only fights blindside/DS MAY be more useful is guardian and terragrue.

[wild beacon]

literally just "Dashing Scoundrel"

[pale plank]

nah the power name, but the actually cape name, here is an example. this is the doomblade leggo but the cape is called differently

[thorny pond]

Just add legendaries using top gear

[hollow talon]

it just... sims so high when i pick DS/BS

[oak sky]

its called the grim-veiled cape then you add the legendary if ur doing the gear compare sim

[narrow ravine]

everytime I sim myself with dashing its lower than doomblade

[wild beacon]

i think you need high crit and frost set and it moves ahead

[narrow ravine]

im t4 frost already

could use more crit maybe, im at 30%

[night leaf]

yes you need 40ish%

[wind dune]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rV7PJEscT1esKsRDeMAvhp https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hsn8JbhZTwijjczAheFR5U is this just sim rng? the first set has no other stats different but 1% more crit so it should be better for dashing yet sims lower even on top gear

[narrow ravine]

maybe it doesnt scale linearly with crit, maybe there is a point it takes the lead

try again with 2 3 4 and 5% more crit

[wind dune]

Weird even so, having a higher crit% sounds like it should sim better. I'd understand if that second set gave more vers %for the neck swap but it's just a stam increase

[narrow ravine]

yeah I assume dashing is just one of those things that works once I get better gear, and im a scrub with garbage right now

[pale plank]

besides crits, whats are the other stats that are important? vers>haste>mastery?

in that order?

[slim pebble]

Got 3 piece unholy dom sockets tonight and only 2 pieces of gear.. fels bad

[slow marsh]

haste

then vers i guess

[arctic hare]

Does Assassination have any stat hardcaps/softcaps?

[timid talon]

No

[arctic hare]

Oh wow

[strange python]

with the shard buff is still unholy best?

[timid talon]

No, sim yourself

frost is better with more gear/higher shard ranks

but unholy will be better without a lot of gear/crit

[strange python]

ok

and the legendary is still doomblade or it changed?

[regal cape]

Unholy also benefits aoe

Legendary can be dashing/doomblade/obedience depending on your current gear and stat budget

The usual answer is to just Sim it but now more than ever it seems we have such close options it's paramount to sim

[strange python]

hmm when do u se doomblade dashing and obedience?

[fiery mauve]

When sims say it’s better

[regal cape]

Like blood is even above both for me currently on pure st

I mean obedience tends to be better in aoe

[fiery mauve]

Yeah but there aren’t maybe aoe fights in raid

[regal cape]

Doomblade "falls off" if you mutilate less

[fiery mauve]

And in m+ I’d use zoldyck

[regal cape]

But there are multi target fights

M+ I run sub like exclusively

[fiery mauve]

I can see more justification for obe on sylv

[strange python]

and what about dashing?

[fiery mauve]

For cd timings

[regal cape]

Dashing has value in a lot of situations with increased poison damage and energy gain

[fiery mauve]

Regardless they all pretty close depending on gear

Which is why it’s best to sim

[regal cape]

But its singers with frost is excellent in pure st

Synergy

But again it'd highly dependant on your stats

And a high level frost set

[strange python]

i got 35% crit 21% haste 20% mastery and 9% versa

[regal cape]

Like I have 43% crit

And I still need r4 frost set to make dashing pull ahead of doomblade unholy

I would Sim with top gear adding in an equivalent ilv dashing

And throw in equal ranking frost gems to have a realistic comparison for you

[strange python]

i seen some people said outlaw became good as much sin and sub is that truth? (raid)

[regal cape]

It already was good

[strange python]

i tought it was better in m+ but less in raid

[regal cape]

But now with buffed frost and perfect gear in Sims it is ahead pure st and already has some of the best cleave potential

[strange python]

so is better to switch to outlaw?

[regal cape]

Rogue is in the rare but excellent situation where you can legitimately play which ever spec you like, and it's fine

Do you like outlaw?

[strange python]

never really tryed it

[regal cape]

Try it if you like but all rogue specs are very very close

[strange python]

but with sin my m+ is garbage xD

[regal cape]

Personally I'm just playing sub and sin on every mythic boss

[strange python]

i could try outlaw or sub

[regal cape]

And I m+ exclusively as sub

This season

[strange python]

u play sub in m+