Oh god no, i don't think i'll ever reach that point
#assassination
arctic hare
slow marsh
I'll push keys later when raid is on farm. Personally there's no point in the extra effort right now
arctic hare
I just enjoy keys lol
here's something for your reference, I still only have 220 daggers....
slow marsh
Ouchie
fallen arch
I'll push keys later when raid is on farm. Personally there's no point in the ex...
Cos it’s fun?
steel ridge
I did aswell till yesterday
kind talon
here's something for your reference, I still only have 220 daggers....
go get a 246 one
from m+
slow marsh
Cos it’s fun?
True it is fun
arctic hare
But, how?
I'm literally only doing my first 14 this week lol
So good luck with dat hahaha
fallen arch
Practice
slow marsh
But for me it's either try in raid or try in keys, don't super have time for both rn
steel ridge
That implies a group invites you
arctic hare
Wait, Soulbind conduit upgrade??????
I could probably get into 10's
maybe, I only have 1121 io
slow marsh
And I say that as I'm contemplating starting up an alt 😞
oak sky
I listed my own from like a 12 this season and i timed a 16 yesterday
steel ridge
No chance at a 14 invite then
oak sky
Your own keys cant reject you
arctic hare
I just have a friend who has a 14 key
arctic hare
Good point
kind talon
if u dont have friernds to play or queue w u
slow marsh
Yeah push your own key and check io scores to make sure they will carry
oak sky
If you can get into 10s you just start there, get one next week and push far
steel ridge
I have seen exclusively shitty mages, druids and warlocks last 7 days
fallen arch
if u dont have friernds to play or queue w u
Or u know, guildies?
steel ridge
Who is supposed to carry
fallen arch
I have seen exclusively shitty mages, druids and warlocks last 7 days
In what lvl keys?
slow marsh
Uhhhhh
kind talon
Or u know, guildies?
that was my implication too lol
steel ridge
15/16
oak sky
Monk carries by walking in with quaking 
fallen arch
I exclusively run into shitty outlaws btw
slow marsh
Yeah but nobody is taking double rogue in lfg
fallen arch
Never seen a good one
oak sky
And dh is momentum pulling bonus packs
fallen arch
Yeah but nobody is taking double rogue in lfg
I do that loads of times
If I pug my own keys
oak sky
@kind talon ive seen a decent double rogue before 👀
slow marsh
I enjoy it personally but I've never gotten into an lfg with double rogue
kind talon
I enjoy it personally but I've never gotten into an lfg with double rogue
we're talking about who he should invite
to carry him
oak sky
I could flex on this outlul
kind talon
man i love flexing on sin players
oak sky
Couldnt
kind talon
i was in a pug sylvanas
oak sky
I blame gear
oak sky
Master poisoner i hope
fallen arch
Rip
slow marsh
Oofer
slow marsh
!!!!
fallen arch
kind talon
he was consistently 1.5k dps below me on sylv
oak sky
Time to swap sub just to flex
slow marsh
🍿
oak sky
?????
fallen arch
This was lfr I hope?
zinc frost
So his talents didn’t even matter cause he ded
fallen arch
Ye idk? Cba with lfr
deft vault
@oak sky whats the name of that emote in your profile pic
kind talon
So his talents didn’t even matter cause he ded
multiple pulls where he wasnt dead
oak sky
Wicked
slow marsh
Blindside on boss that dies at 50% seems good
zinc frost
He probably should have stayed on the floor then :p
kind talon
📈
kind talon
He probably should have stayed on the floor then :p
yes
slow marsh
Dude I'll rock the shit out of floor pov
oak sky
Same
kind talon
@oak sky inv
oak sky
Not rn
slow marsh
Hell yeah carry me for once and let me get loot from a boss I did absolutely shit on
kind talon
Hell yeah carry me for once and let me get loot from a boss I did absolutely shi...
that'll be 500k gold
kind talon
I should do timewalking but I’ll prob get a cloak
no reason to do the raid either then
ull prob get a cloak
kind talon
just dont do m+ either
sudden canyon
i got 0
slow marsh
that'll be 500k gold
We've been free carrying half our guild up until last week when we swapped RLs
kind talon
and dont open your weekly box
oak sky
🙂
sudden canyon
well i got 1 that i already had and gave it away
kind talon
We've been free carrying half our guild up until last week when we swapped RLs
fucking hate that shit man
slow marsh
Like imagine the gold we could've gotten
oak sky
...
kind talon
ask @oak sky
kind talon
sudden canyon
frost shards op
zinc frost
no reason to do the raid either then
Difference is I enjoy raid and keys, not timewalking
oak sky
Decaf was the big brainer juicer that people told to shut up for no reason sometimes 
slow marsh
Its frustrating sometimes. Like literally held back because troll Necro mage can't do mechanics and the ret pally in Singapore with 150 ping is dying every pull to lag
kind talon
Difference is I enjoy raid and keys, not timewalking
yeah fuck timewalking, but u still have to do it for a shot at gear
oak sky
Necro mage
sudden canyon
dude i havent guild raided since legion. i really wish i had a consisten schedule i miss progging so much. heroic pugging is annoying. too main brainlets. specailly on NA alliance. playing the game on hardmode rn
kind talon
necro mage isnt that bad lmao
solemn plaza
no lie, necro mage looks so cool tho
slow marsh
NF sin is decent
kind talon
"free carry"
slow marsh
Kyrian sin is worse
oak sky
Usually better players pick good covenants
kind talon
one is kyrian
slow marsh
He just wants to be one of the 3 players in the world to do this very specific combination
kind talon
Usually better players pick good covenants
yeah true
slow marsh
It would be diff if he was hard pumping and never died
oak sky
Dying in a guild group
slow marsh
But dying so much as a mage is sus already, pair that with doing mediocre dmg
oak sky
Thats new to me
zinc frost
Yeah I can respect someone playing a tough class/covenant and pumping but if they floorpov then they should get the boot :p
sudden canyon
if venth is not BiS next patch im still not swapping. i prolly wouldnt swap covenants unless my current one was the absolute worse performing one.
slow marsh
Don't even get me started on our boomies either jesus
oak sky
Tell them to just play convoke
slow marsh
They do
oak sky
Uh oh
slow marsh
Exactly
It's just been low standards for a while and so some people who have been there way longer than I have are just used to it
oak sky
Sad way to go :/
slow marsh
Yeah I mean thankfully it's only 5ish people but it's still a third of the raid team ya know
oak sky
Guess so
slow marsh
Or a quarter I guess
zinc frost
Yeah I mean thankfully it's only 5ish people but it's still a third of the raid ...
Dang are we in the same guild 😂
slow marsh
Lmao
oak sky
Are you pretty much too attached?
slow marsh
All in all our new RL is more serious about stepping it up as a whole and seems to be following through with benching people already so we'll see how it goes
fallen arch
All in all our new RL is more serious about stepping it up as a whole and seems ...
How far are you?
oak sky
Oh thats really good changes though
slow marsh
I mean yeah I'm friends with the guild leaders so it's not like a random guild
oak sky
I hope it turns out good and you guys hit your goals
zinc frost
Yeah sounds exactly like mine, RL finally kicking people for prog and we one shot the boss go figure
slow marsh
How far are you?
We had 1% wipe on the nine m last week. But it was new RL first week so I think it's going well
oak sky
Ive been trying to pug hc sylvanas because i dont think its gonna die this week after 20 pulls last week
slow marsh
They are better than they think they are, they just let the few shitters weigh them down too much
oak sky
Lucky you in mythic lmao
zinc frost
Are your shitters a 2 x mages, warrior, holy pally too? Haha
manic pebble
I’m still finding a decent pug that can actually kill H syl
slow marsh
The whole "I've been in the guild a long time so I should auto get a spot" attitude is so toxic
slow marsh
Are your shitters a 2 x mages, warrior, holy pally too? Haha
Uhhhh so close lol
oak sky
I had a pug get to p3 on the 3rd pull last week then everyone left after the next pull
Heartbreaker
Total kill group
slow marsh
1 and a half mages, a warrior, and two boomies.
manic pebble
Same as mine
fallen arch
We had 1% wipe on the nine m last week. But it was new RL first week so I think ...
Oh that’s not too bad
zinc frost
1 and a half mages sounds like mine since one is floorpov on majority of bosses
slow marsh
Then just a couple toxic people in general
But they at least perform well numbers-wise
grizzled orbit
Is the 3 piece dom bonus affected by a lower rank 4th gem of a different kind?
slow marsh
Is the 3 piece dom bonus affected by a lower rank 4th gem of a different kind?
No only the 3 shards
grizzled orbit
ty ty
slow marsh
Yeah one of our mages is hit or miss
When he was fire he was totally fine. I guess swapping to frost messed him up
slow marsh
Either that or just getting carried by spec tuning like the boomies
oak sky
I feel like fire isnt that bad either though
zinc frost
Yeah my mage mains frost, does alright in some bosses. As soon as mechanics become an issue he’s at the bottom of the metres
kind talon
I feel like fire isnt that bad either though
It’s not lol
fallen arch
Yeah my mage mains frost, does alright in some bosses. As soon as mechanics beco...
This happens to all our 3 boomies
slow marsh
Yeah I'm not sure what's going on there. I just know that he used to be top 5 and now he's barely making it above bottom 5
fallen arch
Kinda sad cos its a big chunk of damage
sudden canyon
i want to play another class but the domination and soul ash grind sounds like such a PITA
slow marsh
Yeah a lot of our guild struggles when the mechanics come
zinc frost
I wonder if the mage discord is going “have these shit rogues who run bs/vigor on sylvanas” lmao
oak sky
Fire gets scorch too
fallen arch
I wonder if the mage discord is going “have these shit rogues who run bs/vigor o...
Probably
slow marsh
I wouldn't be surprised tbh. I've noticed a ton of fotm rogues this patch that have no idea what expac it is
oak sky
Actually yeah
sudden canyon
i havent
oak sky
Ive seen hella rogues lately
slow marsh
"uhhhh yeah I haven't played rogue since legion do we still do xyz"
oak sky
I saw a feral in lfg once
slow marsh
Boomies were fotm in CN
kind talon
I saw a feral in lfg once
Me too ferals are hype as fuck
slow marsh
Now that they 'should' be venthyr I think they've dropped off
sudden canyon
i pug with a feral and he pumps
slow marsh
I love seeing feral
zinc frost
We had a rogue who played sin in raid but swapped to his bm hunter cause sin was “too hard” yikes
oak sky
I was gonna take the guy for my key but i ended up not running it after all
sudden canyon
also pug with with a kitty weaver tanks that goes for dmg parses lol
fallen arch
We had a rogue who played sin in raid but swapped to his bm hunter cause sin was...
I have the feeling it’s one of the easiest really
sudden canyon
sub is easier and more forgiving imo.
oak sky
A feral that tells you they play feral in the note has to be good
fallen arch
sub is easier and more forgiving imo.
In raid?
strange python
are blood shard bonus any worth it?
fallen arch
On m+ for sure I think, dunno about raid
sudden canyon
idk why ppl say it isnt. like ur longest CD is flag. (ignoring shadow blades)
slow marsh
are blood shard bonus any worth it?
Yeah kind of
strange python
I mean, bonus is bettter than unholy?
slow marsh
I wouldn't rank 4 them but they are fine until you can get your frost going
strange python
can't sim it cause I don't have chest
sudden canyon
if you fuck up your cd's on sin u lose alot of dmg i feel. on sub if you fuck up a cd you at most wait like 40 seconds before you can line it up again
slow marsh
I think it's better than UH because it's the same but more consistent
strange python
frost > UH?
slow marsh
Ye
Sin is the easiest and most forgiving which is why it's the best prog spec
You have two 'big' CDs
kind talon
Ez clap
kind talon
Shiv is kinda a big cd tho
strange python
kind talon
Class sucks
slow marsh
That makes sense
fallen arch
Wait ur name is Milk and ur not Dutch?
sudden canyon
do you slam on cd, arent u supposed to pool and make sure ur garrote/rup wont fall off mid shiv.
fallen arch
No
strange python
lol no, spanish 😛
fallen arch
For starters slam on cd
kind talon
do you slam on cd, arent u supposed to pool and make sure ur garrote/rup wont fa...
U pool for envenom, check the assassination faq
slow marsh
It's better to hit shiv on CD than to miss a cast trying to optimize it
kind talon
There is a little section called pooling
fallen arch
Get into pooling when u got that down
strange python
I was meaning for shards hehe
kind talon
But yeah you always slam shiv on cd
kind talon
I was meaning for shards hehe
We know
oak sky
Shiv 
slow marsh
I was meaning for shards hehe
Yeah UH is better at lower ilvl but frost takes a big lead when you start getting geared in raid
kind talon
@strange python get more crit
slow marsh
Yeah probably
strange python
I have like a milion embers
fallen arch
Big lead in single target, lets not forget to mention that
There’s hardly fight pure st
sudden canyon
i mean if your pooling envenoms arent u pooling shiv? since ur casting it before env
sterile chasm
Hello how can I upgrade my Venthyr conduit to 252??
fallen arch
I’m gonna stick to unholy for now
oak sky
I cant use frost no shoulders 😄
slow marsh
Imo upgrade UH to rank 2 or 3 to use until you can get frost geared and rank 3 or 4 then swap
fallen arch
i mean if your pooling envenoms arent u pooling shiv? since ur casting it before...
Yes but if it means u delay every shiv with a few seconds it can be a big loss on a 5 min fight
strange python
ok
fallen arch
So pooling means planning, not delaying cooldowns
strange python
thanks you a lot guys
oak sky
I think we only ever hold shiv for vendetta but i barely even do that tbh
slow marsh
Yeah always hit shiv on CD ubless vendetta is in 12 seconds
fallen arch
Yeah always hit shiv on CD ubless vendetta is in 12 seconds
Thats too long
I think it’s like 8-10 sec max
ripe saddle
I just swapped to Venthyr what do you guys mostly run in raid. Theotar or Nija?
slow marsh
Nadjia
fallen arch
No it's 12-13 seconds
U sure? I remember it being shorter
ripe saddle
Its what I thought too, how come https://www.wowhead.com/guides/venthyr-assassination-rogue-covenant-best-soulbinds-shadowlands guide says Theotar is Best Venthyr Assassination Rogue
fallen arch
Doesnt matter, I always slam on cd
slow marsh
I mean it could be but I remember it was 12/13s specifically when simmed
oak sky
Damn right @fallen arch
strange python
Its what I thought too, how come https://www.wowhead.com/guides/venthyr-assassin...
tf? XD
slow marsh
Cuz would you rather hold shiv 12s or hold vendetta 12s
fallen arch
Cos if its 12 seconds, u slam it now. Then it comes up during vendetta, so why hold?
oak sky
I guess its 12-13 to get the full debuff inside vendetta
fallen arch
Cuz would you rather hold shiv 12s or hold vendetta 12s
Depends on how long the fight lasts
kind talon
Yeah you miss vanish
kind talon
Which is cringe
slow marsh
Exactly
fallen arch
U can vanish later in ur vendetta, wdym?
oak sky
You would just vanish later in the vendetta which is fine ish but also weird
sudden canyon
so do u shiv at 0 cp as well
slow marsh
It's a loss to densync vanish
kind talon
^^^^^
slow marsh
It's not by a lot but it's a loss nonetheless
fallen arch
Also depends on fight length
slow marsh
True
kind talon
Yes this is true
mortal pike
Any frost shard gamers in the chat? how nice is it not having ur unholy shards proc during intermissions and being sad
slow marsh
The cp doesn't matter you just shiv
obtuse robin
its a loss
fallen arch
Just wa a sound for shiv off cd and slam it
kind talon
Is it more than 1% to not just slam shiv on cd every time
fallen arch
It’s as easy as that
kind talon
its a loss
I’m aware
slow marsh
It's within margin of error so it's fine
kind talon
I’m asking how much
sudden canyon
thats so jank
kind talon
It's within margin of error so it's fine
Ok that’s what I thought
slow marsh
Like it's not the end of the world
slow marsh
It's just optimization which is nice on a really easy spec
oak sky
WE SLAM
sudden canyon
bruto
fallen arch
https://tenor.com/view/nick-offerman-jackson-boudreaux-slam-slam-it-down-will-and-grace-gif-10703428
That shiv button
sudden canyon
that makes the spec so much more boring lol
sterile chasm
how can I upgrade my Venthyr conduit to 252??
slow marsh
Like it's a gain to refresh garrote/rupture before shiv even if not in pandemic if they will expire during shiv
fallen arch
Get a big red button on your desk for shiv and slam ur face into it
fallen arch
that makes the spec so much more boring lol
Then play outlul if u want a challenge
kind talon
Like it's a gain to refresh garrote/rupture before shiv even if not in pandemic ...
No shot
slow marsh
And I mean before shiv as in shiv is about to come off CD, cuz you don't want to hold
slow marsh
=D
kind talon
Refreshing early is like
oak sky
I think that goes against the texts
sudden canyon
remember when we had TB and kingsbane.
slow marsh
Na
kind talon
Shiv is 12 seconds right
fallen arch
Refreshing early was only okay before Sludge pillars
kind talon
But garrote is like
fallen arch
Never anywhere else
slow marsh
You can refresh one or the other in shiv and it's fine
kind talon
No shot
oak sky
Its a 9s debuff
sudden canyon
this is for parsing right? like if burst is needed isnt it better to hold the shiv for a 5cp pooled envenom.
kind talon
this is for parsing right? like if burst is needed isnt it better to hold the sh...
???????
sudden canyon
?????????
sudden canyon
overall
slow marsh
You don't need burst for any boss this tier
kind talon
There’s actually no relevancy for burst rn
kind talon
Except for places where it lines up anyways
Like sylvanas phase 3
Painsmith phase 3
@sudden canyon yes you’re correct in a way though, if you’re thinking about a fight like sunking
Then you would hold shiv
Or sludgefist
fallen arch
this is for parsing right? like if burst is needed isnt it better to hold the sh...
WHen would that be needed?
kind talon
Just to take advantage of increased damage taken windows
sudden canyon
doesnt matter
kind talon
It’s just not relevant in this raid
sudden canyon
its a general question
kind talon
Yeah
It’s more overall damage
But less burst
Is that what u were looking for @sudden canyon
arctic hare
Welp, just timed an 11
kind talon
Welp, just timed an 11
Nice dude keep going up
sudden canyon
theyre just questions bro im sub rn lol
kind talon
theyre just questions bro im sub rn lol
Ye bro I was just wondering if I answered your question
sudden canyon
oh yea
kind talon
Been in a few discussions about parsing and stuff
So it throws me off
When ppl use that word
Something that is “only for parsing” would be like, hidden blades on sire denathrius
oak sky
Keep it up frostfire
kind talon
Where you’d lose relevant dps but gain overall
sudden canyon
i was just curious why shiv on CD. last time i played sin when it was toxic blade i remember the play was to use it near max-cp and you would even overcap on CP because you wanted to get an envenom in right after it
kind talon
Yeah so the thing is, since your pooling for envenom, every time you envenom you follow it up with 2 mutilates @sudden canyon
So when shiv comes off cd, you are at near max cp anyways
In almost all cases
slow marsh
i was just curious why shiv on CD. last time i played sin when it was toxic blad...
Yeah and that was two xpacs ago right
slow marsh
Well that's fine
oak sky
kinda feeling like timewalking 😳
sudden canyon
yea i can see the argument for shiv on CD now with dashing/frost for sure
slow marsh
Poison bomb (gross) is 2-3%
oak sky
it was already a thing tho
oak sky
shiv on cd has been a thing since at least last patch
oak sky
no worries
slow marsh
That wouldn't ever happen because you'll get at least one unless you're doing something wrong
But the difference between getting 9 and then only 7 shivs in a fight is huge
In terms of missing casts
sudden canyon
whats the cd on it?
oak sky
25
sudden canyon
static or can it be dropped
sterile chasm
Poison bomb (gross) is 2-3%
Bridge back Old poisonbomb from legion
outer furnace
so let me ask
slow marsh
Ye I wasn't playing in legion but I hear it was ok lol
outer furnace
how hard is it to level as assa for rogue
sterile chasm
IT was random but op
slow marsh
Leveling isn't hard for any spec anymore I thought
sudden canyon
og poision bomb was way too much dmg on a rng proc.
slow marsh
static or can it be dropped
Static 25s cd
outer furnace
i am thinking to start level a rogue
slow marsh
Lasts for 9 s
outer furnace
but with spec is the most beginner friendly
oak sky
play whatever one you like the most
outer furnace
i never played rogue before
slow marsh
I would recommend outlaw
sterile chasm
@sudden canyon they should give us Old poisonbomb on CD live shiv
slow marsh
Because you'll get spoonfed your abilities as you level
And it's harder to understand I think than sub when you're just thrown into it with no previous knowledge
fallen arch
Play sub/outlaw for leveling
Sin isn’t great for it
It’s by no means too hard, but its easier with one of the other 2 specs
oak sky
when i said the one you like the most, i meant if you had some idea of which one you want to play, but if you don't i would go outlaw
slow marsh
Outlaw you pretty much don't have to worry about restealths
Sub you one shot stuff if you can restealth
kind talon
Outlaw you pretty much don't have to worry about restealths
Not true
slow marsh
I mean
obtuse robin
cto brother
oak sky
ambush users?
slow marsh
Yes
slow marsh
But you get vanish every 20 seconds
oak sky
lmao
obtuse robin
oh yea lol
carmine dawn
Soothing darkness on sub is OP for leveling
kind talon
Doesn’t matter, restealths are OP man
carmine dawn
Just do sub
slow marsh
Yes they are but not getting it is the least punishing for outlaw vs the other two specs imo
sudden canyon
so i should have 2.4 CPM on shiv then if im blasting on cd (60/25). only worth casting shiv when target will live the 8s durration? (adds)
or literally on cd
slow marsh
Not saying it's not punishing at all. Just the least punishing
kind talon
Yes they are but not getting it is the least punishing for outlaw vs the other t...
It’s sub imo
U miss one ss?
slow marsh
Ah yeah true
oak sky
lmao just use one finisher and dance is back up
slow marsh
Fair point I agree
kind talon
like premed is good cause of restealths but
ye
levelling is a diff story
but at high end play
sub is least punished by restealths
kind talon
sin without subterfuge is actually
fallen arch
Play NE
kind talon
not punished by restealths either
fallen arch
Extra 2 min cd vanish
slow marsh
or literally on cd
For keys you should try and shiv whatever will live the 9s
oak sky
going back to alliance
slow marsh
But as the case with any shiv rules: it's better to smash it than to not
arctic hare
lol
ocean cave
can you proc subt from NE meld?
kind talon
looking for guild alliance
ocean cave
that’s disgusting
slow marsh
You can stealth you don't get subt in the middle of combat from it
oak sky
wait you literally never dont play subterfuge in keys though, thats where restealth matters anyway
kind talon
wait you literally never dont play subterfuge in keys though, thats where restea...
fuck off with the double negatives
silver fog
Is it just me, or Heimir's capstone feels just bad, unnoticeable?
kind talon
making me lose hair
slow marsh
I play NS in keys
ocean cave
never played alli
oak sky
bitch ill talk how i want
slow marsh
Cuz I'm a baller like that
kind talon
I play NS in keys
NS is op AF with vanish ye
fallen arch
I play NS in keys
Gte outta here with yo MA
sudden canyon
For keys you should try and shiv whatever will live the 9s
i was thinking more like a scenario where im on a tank ad in KT and shiv is comming up but the tank ad is at 50%. no sprint no shadowstep and id have to waddle back to KT before i dropped the shiv but the tank ad might no live the the whole shiv durration
oak sky
NS and MfD gamers
slow marsh
It's so grossly good
kind talon
@oak sky if you dont play vanish MA NS in keys ur actually a virgin
idk what to tell u
imagine playing zoldyck
😢
kind talon
yes
oak sky
crafting new leggo
slow marsh
i was thinking more like a scenario where im on a tank ad in KT and shiv is comm...
Ignore tank adds other than to fan poisons onto them or rupture
oak sky
theres like
obtuse robin
wat u buying ma for
oak sky
this other required resource
sudden canyon
Ignore tank adds other than to fan poisons onto them or rupture
i pug heroic lol. i gotta play a little less selfish to kil the bosses
kind talon
wat u buying ma for
m+
oak sky
called
kind talon
ist baller
slow marsh
I have old 225 ma
oak sky
gol
fallen arch
Gold
oak sky
d
slow marsh
Not even socketed
fallen arch
235 isnt expensive tho
slow marsh
i pug heroic lol. i gotta play a little less selfish to kil the bosses
Nananna even more a reason to play selfish
oak sky
i mean im not gonna play it if it literally does less damage
fallen arch
The vessels
kind talon
i mean im not gonna play it if it literally does less damage
MA?
oak sky
yuh
slow marsh
Nananna even more a reason to play selfish
You can rupture them but don't bother doing anything more
oak sky
wheres the sim
ocean cave
playing sin and touching adds on KT
kind talon
its just logic
ocean cave
this man is a hero
kind talon
lol
slow marsh
I can give you the sim from 2 weeks ago hold up
kind talon
@slow marsh u havent played
oak sky
i swear every tank snipes kicks in m+ these days
slow marsh
Something that get resource from kick
obtuse robin
crafting ma thks late for m+
kind talon
in our guild
obtuse robin
u sure bro lol
kind talon
@oak sky ranged kicks on kt?
kind talon
do u remember any?
oak sky
LOL
kind talon
in our prog?
kind talon
yep
oak sky
i saw people not wanting to stack the circles
brittle prism
Is anyone good with evaluating warcraft logs? I've never really looked into them and I've noticed my parsing is really low so I'm keen to see how to improve. Here's my first hc KT kill log
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rPdFDf9kmARhLN8x/#fight=4&source=10
kind talon
i kicked somtimes
oak sky
whats missing here
kind talon
kind talon
whats missing here
mage hunter dh dk priest dont have kicks??? are you stupid?
slow marsh
MA sims higher than zold by 20 dps
kind talon
neither does shaman?
slow marsh
With a jank ma ring
kind talon
warrior has a kick true
oak sky
no kick binds!
thats kinda cool iceblades
but i rather craft obedience than ma rn
or dashy
slow marsh
Fair
oak sky
i only have 3k ash thats gonna be 5k once i do my torgy
slow marsh
That's why I have a jank 225 ma ring with no socket
kind talon
craft it at 190 then
oak sky
lmao
slow marsh
Obe is good too tho I'm down with the obe gamers
ocean cave
obe gamer check in 😎
slow marsh
It gives you weird CD timings in m+ but it's fine
slow marsh
It's kinda Pog on tyran weeks too
sudden canyon
Is anyone good with evaluating warcraft logs? I've never really looked into them...
i wouldnt worry about ur parse % till u get ur domination sockets.
ocean cave
also heroic kt parsing is legit did you go down or not
oak sky
ask @kind talon thats a lie
kind talon
also heroic kt parsing is legit did you go down or not
that is a lie
ocean cave
unless you’re a demon odds are you aren’t parsing doing phylactery
oak sky
hes a demon
kind talon
@ocean cave that only applies for
90+ parses
you can get purple going down with dogshit players
if u press buttons good
oak sky
purple gangsters 😎
ocean cave
ilvl parses 
fallen arch
Is anyone good with evaluating warcraft logs? I've never really looked into them...
- Might wanna try crimson tempest on that fight
- Re evaluate your opener, check openers in the guides
- Check for bleed uptimes, could be better
- Check the faq/guides for tips on pooling for envenom/shiv
slow marsh
Is anyone good with evaluating warcraft logs? I've never really looked into them...
Your bleed uptime could use work, you missed a lot of shivs, and yeah everything they said
fallen arch
about the shivs on KT
On cd yes
sudden canyon
lol
fallen arch
oak sky
i only save if big guy is about to die
slow marsh
If it's coming soon sure
sudden canyon
damn i be holding everything for remnant. i dont even vanish opener
oak sky
what
ocean cave
damn i be holding everything for remnant. i dont even vanish opener
you don’t what
slow marsh
Just use on kt and kill him
ocean cave
mortal pike
Now here's the question, has anyone swapped to frost shards and regretted it
fallen arch
Thats agreon rn
slow marsh
Big doubt
oak sky
bruh
sudden canyon
well cause its not up by the time i go down
slow marsh
Only heard good things about going frost
sudden canyon
and then i feel like a noodle
oak sky
i didnt save a single cd for it and i outdamaged everyone except professional blaster decaf
half quarry
i think ILVL parses are the ones that count tbh
slow marsh
You won't have CDs for first phylactery but you should for 2nd
slow marsh
i think ILVL parses are the ones that count tbh
Not at all ilvl parses are the worst
ocean cave
until you are 100% sure you’re slamming all buttons correctly press all CDs on cd
sudden canyon
here i thought i was playing smart, turns out im just a pleb
slow marsh
You should still blast the ghosty kt even without cds
half quarry
@slow marsh can u explain more?
sudden canyon
oak sky
just send cds as they come up on remnant
unless its the last one
then save everything for burn
half quarry
general parses is all ivl brackets from your spec, ilvl parses are compared with same bracket of ilvl rogues
sudden canyon
get sub 20 stacks on flag feels so bad
ocean cave
I mean you’re probably helping your group get through that thing faster but the timer is generous
mortal pike
Most good players are probably a highe rilvl
half quarry
whats the point of comparing a 226 rogue with a 247 xD?
mortal pike
so you're not compairing your self against the GOOD gamers
fallen arch
general parses is all ivl brackets from your spec, ilvl parses are compared with...
They mean shit still
oak sky
if you parse high at low ilvl you probably dont suck but it doesnt make you good
fallen arch
Whats the point in comparing someone with set vs someone without? Or sylv daggers, or big ilvl mh
slow marsh
I mean sure it's a decent measurement for where you're at but it doesn't mean shit especially now
With set bonuses screwing stuff
fallen arch
Also
half quarry
i mean blizz always introduce
lets not forget our friendly neighboors POWER INFUSION and wft
fallen arch
Overall damage output matters, boss doesnt care what ilvl u are
ocean cave
wft 
slow marsh
My parses are shit right now but it doesn't mean anything
oak sky
iceblades is a blaster at heart
half quarry
yeah but my point was that theres like NO way a 224 rogue can beat a 252
sudden canyon
doesnt WCL have a featue that lets you find good parses for ur ilvl and boss kill time
to compare to
half quarry
Thats the ilvl parses
slow marsh
I mean yeah but if you're 224 what the hell do you care about parses anyways
half quarry
cuz u can see how well or bad your doing comparing to other rogues of the same ilvl
oak sky
anyone want to see my rank 1 226 ilvl the nine hc parse?
sudden canyon
maybe not the # but you should care to compare if you wanna improve imo
oak sky
yeah
obtuse robin
no no
obtuse robin
the way u would compare would to comparing casts
oak sky
i already had set bonus
half quarry
not just cast tho
kind talon
you got rank 1?
half quarry
statt priority its part of the player to
oak sky
at piss ilvl
kind talon
ur actually the best rogue in north america renam to jcpenny
obtuse robin
u wouldnt compare with dmg but button presses
oak sky
thats called an ilvl parse
tulip halo
Lol parses are jacked now anyway... went from 50%, parses last week to +- 80-90 just because of the unholy set this week
sudden canyon
i still dont have the set . but frost buffs so im less salty
tulip halo
And i still have shitty 236 weaps
sudden canyon
been waiting on my helm. i just want the socket now so i plug in my other dmg shards
slow marsh
Jpctheboy somebody take it
half quarry
233 edge of night here :C
slow marsh
Same
sudden canyon
also lost the roll for boots yesterday. that one hurt
half quarry
the nine droped mythic boots 😄
obtuse robin
thats like the whole essence of a 224 rogue comparing himself to a 252 how many casts are u getting off and when
slow marsh
I can't get shoulders to play the build I came up with big rip
obtuse robin
fuk ilvl parse
oak sky
might just be a set bonus thing tho
half quarry
not really cuz the majority of players doesnt have high ilvl but compared to other high level players ur slacking a bit
and poggers womp
slow marsh
My guy just look at my heroic vs normal parses and it should tell you why we don't care about ilvl parses
sudden canyon
hot take, parsing is just to stroke ur ego and impress randos. if you kill the boss you kill the boss... youre still not gonna loot shit at the end of the day anyways
obtuse robin
what lol
mortal pike
Parsing its self isn't important but doing the most to kill bosses is
half quarry
what im looking iceblades?
mortal pike
and its a good metric for how you're doing relative to others
Its a tool for improvement C:
half quarry
agree with womp
100%
if boss dies boss dies 😄
but also i like to myself find ways to imporve 😄
sudden canyon
my best parses are 1% parses from dying on pull because i forgot to ToT and pulled early
slow marsh
I had a 99 normal painsmith parse last week but it was 83 ilvl
obtuse robin
ur not gona do that looking at ilvl parses
carmine dawn
Its a tool for improvement C:
Tool for showing my cock*
solid venture
we comparing dicks in here again?
carmine dawn
Apparently
eager river
proudmoore rogue <3
solid venture
pogchampion
slow marsh
Dude
half quarry
we are talking about waht of the two dick measurements is best xD
obtuse robin
nah just this guy says ilvl parse more important then dmg parse
oak sky
former proudmoore rogue
obtuse robin
same
slow marsh
I set a goal this tier to be #1 rogue
obtuse robin
former proudmore
carmine dawn
Ilvl parses don’t matter corruption is so broken lol
kind talon
I set a goal this tier to be #1 rogue
no shot
slow marsh
Then found out you're on proudmoorw @eager river
kind talon
ceverion is too cracked
slow marsh
ON SERVER
oak sky
i shouldve stayed on alliance
slow marsh
Jesus
oak sky
to fight you
ocean cave
cev is a demon
eager river
alliance rogues are stronk
oak sky
and lose
obtuse robin
yea im missing out on 30 dps being horde
carmine dawn
Why did you screenshot my toon
ocean cave
is that push
sudden canyon
some CN rogue. i couldnt tell you his name because it was in cn
carmine dawn
Wait no that’s @solid chasm
sudden canyon
chinese not nath
fallen arch
outparse me. protip you cant
Noob
ocean cave
thought it was pushnoir kek
half quarry
still room to improve
sharp zodiac
alliance rogues are stronk
Proudmoore rogues stronk
slow marsh
Yeah tbh I stopped caring about parses week 1 with the shard thing
eager river
darth here too 
sudden canyon
parsing in legion was literally how many poison bomb procs you got
slow marsh
Oh wait is this a proudmoore takeover
sharp zodiac
Just out here looking for mythic logs
half quarry
yeah xD
sudden canyon
till they changed it
eager river
just so you know, i will lay waste to the sin parses on realm when i get sylv dagger, without PI tho
slow marsh
Just out here looking for mythic logs
Same tbh
eager river
so gettem now while you can >:)
ocean cave
all 6 people still on alliance are rogues active in this server pretty wild
slow marsh
Stoppppp it
sharp zodiac
so gettem now while you can >:)
I’m still waiting for my sylv dagger 🤔🤔🤔
eager river
its never coming for me
slow marsh
I'm still waiting for phial
half quarry
eager river
wanted to play sin too cuz dashing/frost looks fun
sudden canyon
im also hopeless. maybe this week.
carmine dawn
all 6 people still on alliance are rogues active in this server pretty wild
Yeah we funnel gear to each other it’s sick
sudden canyon
"maybe this week"
slow marsh
wanted to play sin too cuz dashing/frost looks fun
Do eeet
half quarry
sin is fun AF 😄
slow marsh
Your carpel tunnel will thank you
eager river
yea its chill af
sharp zodiac
I want to play Outlaw with frost but trying to raid lead with outlaw makes my brain explode
carmine dawn
Carpe diem tunnel
sudden canyon
raid leading as melee sounds like cheeks
ocean cave
I want to play Outlaw with frost but trying to raid lead with outlaw makes my br...
when I call fights I have to play sin
fallen arch
Yeah we funnel gear to each other it’s sick
Ofc we do
eager river
I want to play Outlaw with frost but trying to raid lead with outlaw makes my br...
you're a god gamer
sharp zodiac
Can’t need to play sin so much easier
eager river
raid leading as rogue is not easy
ocean cave
calling fights as sub I might as well 21 man
sharp zodiac
We started Soulrender prog tonight, did one pull with Outlaw and noped the fuck out
sudden canyon
Tadorz RL last tier. but i dont think it was as rogue.
solid venture
Idk how seli does it
he just doesn't care about his parses / dps and calls out everything that's needed
sharp zodiac
Raid leading as Sin is pretty chill tbh
sudden canyon
king seli
eager river
i know squawks was a RL as rogue too, some big brain rogue gamers
carmine dawn
Isn’t undad rl too?
slow marsh
I was asked to RL but there would be no more guild if I did
carmine dawn
And whispyr?
sudden canyon
from what i saw bdgg had a group RL type beat
eager river
im not sure if dad is, i dont think whispyr is tho
sudden canyon
sounded like everyonr was inputting
slow marsh
Whisp isnt
sharp zodiac
Sin you just slap some bleeds and forget about it
sudden canyon
dad was playing warrior tho.
carmine dawn
Sin you just slap some bleeds and forget about it
You have time to watch a YouTube vid on the fight in the middle of your own pull
sharp zodiac
sudden canyon
time to watch the boss guide mid pull
sudden canyon
this tier i went in blind into every fight. i feel like the mechanics were all pretty obvious except for the fatescribe rings
carmine dawn
I play DH so I’m always blind
vestal wren
rogue is quite good, so i don't see a reason why people wouldn't bring rogue
rocky pecan
im raid leading as rogue tho
sudden canyon
they should make rogue a ranged spec that way we never have to fight for a spoit
ez
fallen arch
That would be called hunter
sharp zodiac
Yeah but I’m like that bad guy from the da Vinci code I just like to hurt myself clearly
fallen arch
Yw
rocky pecan
well i did this cauz noone is doing so ........
sudden canyon
honestly playing flaggellation makes me miss deadly throw finisher
that would be so clutch rn
sudden canyon
specially on sylvanas.
slow marsh
That's some real FFXIV stuff there
loud silo
are frost and blood sets still the go to?
red plaza
and unholy
fallen arch
Wait who said anything about blood?
sharp zodiac
are frost and blood sets still the go to?
Frost
kind talon
Raidleading is the only way rogue gets brought to raid
crazy copium
sharp zodiac
However for most guilds progging early mythic there would be no reason to bench their rogue. Rogue so strong right now
wispy iris
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
kind talon
However for most guilds progging early mythic there would be no reason to bench ...
However for most guilds progging mythic there would be no reason to bench their rogue. Rogue so strong right now
viral aurora
they should make rogue a ranged spec that way we never have to fight for a spoit
A ninja spec. Long overdue!
viral aurora
Way cooler. Ninjulety. Ranged finishers and whatnot. Nunchuk to the head debuffs
oak sky
reverse survival
lol
i feel like most rogue players just wouldnt play it and it would be a separate group
viral aurora
Exactly! Now you are on to something
mortal pike
Does dashing scoundrel feel good to play? Its just not quite surpassing doomblade yet for me but I kind of want to make it for the long term
loud silo
isnt it gear dependant?
mortal pike
I mean thy;re both pretty close
just saying does the extra energy feel good?
is it noticeable?
sterile chasm
Dashing is cloak?
mortal pike
Thanks Nicoo
sterile chasm
Blizzard could bring back Echoing Blades on talent for this useless talent with fok
cloud reef
marble hemlock
Don't bring back eb please