unlucky
#assassination
winged basin
:)))))
kind talon
any of u guys get daggers yet
lavish pulsar
so, question still stands, but mainhand specific
Question, didn't see it pinned. Does a 246 Edge of Night do more dps than a 252? not for me, or i would sim
winged basin
nope
kind talon
so, question still stands, but mainhand specific
`Question, didn't see it pinned...
sim it rn
no balls
lavish pulsar
not for me, or i would sim
kind talon
i dont understand that
winged basin
rEcRuITmEnT apparently
kind talon
rEcRuITmEnT apparently
wdym
cobalt pelican
you can still sim if it's not for you, it's not really that hard
but for assassination specifically the 252 would win if you had t ochoose only 1 from your vault or something
but realistically you'd want a 252 mainhand sylv dag offhand
kind talon
double 246 would bang too
lavish pulsar
kk, thanks
carmine dawn
how do you play P2 sylvanas adds? apply 5 bleeds for energy regen then funnel into prio add? doesnt seem like anything lives long enough to tick
cobalt pelican
just dot up the 2 big ads in each phase and slam 1
don't even bother caring about the random 100k health mobs that run in repeatedly outside of fok cp
winged basin
wdym
they prio 3/10 mythic cause apparently its gonna help recruitment
not sure
I just asked and they said we will go for it when we get nine down
cobalt pelican
honestly any guild passing on sylvanas heroic at this point is dumb as bricks
the loot is better than most mythic bosses, and it's very easy if you have 2 tanks that can communicate and 2 healers that can press dispel
winged basin
its cause one of the officers keeps telling them this is one of those "9/10 clears into mythic now"
cobalt pelican
i've pugged it with very bad players
winged basin
and I just want a chance at my dagger
havent seen it on normal kill everyweek yet
but its literally a 400 dps inc for me
spice spire
The normal? 
spice spire
Still
upper wedge
Sylv hc is free gogo
cobalt pelican
ya you should really try pug it if your guild is crinkle
it took me ~1h to do it with a wr2k guild at 2am
winged basin
I cannot get into pugs
they wont invite me
I have tried pugging fate too, and they literally wont take me
obsidian socket
get better logs?
obsidian socket
if theyre above 80 then theyre great
obsidian socket
and you shouldnt have a problem
kind talon
ur heroic logs are fine
but having set bonus and higher parses > no set bonus and lower parses to pugs
obsidian socket
nobody knows that
kind talon
pugs are like monkeys
winged basin
then your argument about parses is kinda shit
but hey we all make mistakes ❤️
thats only a sliver of my power
wait until the game stops cucking me outta gear
I havent even gotten a good vault drop
upper wedge
What avg hc pug looks at logs
cobalt pelican
i don't think most pugs even look at logs or anything they just invite random people when they inevitably wipe the 700th time to fill the group to make it not disband
honestly more likely they use rio as a filter than logs
winged basin
I am 236 with my frost set 
but I am puuuuuuuuumpin
might mess around and make r6 dashing 
only 226 weapons :((
upper wedge
still rocking 233s myself
full tendon
226s all over qq
slim pebble
I got a 252 dagger out of my vault after a 2 month break. But as an FU blizzard hasn't dropped me any shard pieces
cobalt pelican
do your korthia slavery
winged basin
I have been mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn
cobalt pelican
are you tier 6 yet
cobalt pelican
yeah, do your korthia slavery
winged basin
😐
cri
they have us required to do 10 15s, raid 3 days a week
mfers over working me lmfaoooooo
upper wedge
3 days? Hardcore
slim pebble
Damn. We raid 1 day for 4 hours. But they want us doing 4+ keys weekly for gear
winged basin
we are only 2/10 M so its not like we are crazy lmfaoooooo
feels pretty bad honestly
feel like I could do better
but my parses arent where I want them to be to apply other places
full tendon
they have us required to do 10 15s, raid 3 days a week
Bruh, I have a hard enough time getting even four 12+. Getting into keys is worse than ever rn
upper wedge
Many places you can get into by talking good
upper wedge
Parses dont mean much to an extent
winged basin
we spent 9 years in heroic it felt
winged basin
the 9
is ASSSSSSSSSS for parsing
this is a dogshit fight
pops everything in beginning... gets fragments
upper wedge
One pull i had fragment basically every cd
winged basin
I had 4 frags last pull
I actually wanted to cry
this supposed to be easy fight no?
guild is scuffing the dispells
winged basin
ye
winged basin
ONG lol
its so terrible
whoever designed this needs shot in the foot
with a giant pink.... toy
spice spire
Tell me how you really feel, toad
round swift
Does anybody outright disagree that DW will be a solid second legendary choice once we can have two equipped? Especially if you don’t run Venthyr.
winged basin
thats assuming we get to equip 2
which I dont see happening
wait
what is DW
we would probably just use Obed and DB
winged basin
oh, idk
cobalt pelican
even if we do it'll be in.. 1 or 2 patches time
which nobody knows what the legendary landscape would look like then
so it's pointless to even begin to think about
round swift
Pointless? Absolutely. Fun nonetheless? Definitely.
Because personally I don’t like running Obedience.
winged basin
24.5% on skyja 
cedar lagoon
!opener
winged basin
not currently til its fixed no?
its getting phat buff on reset
imma mess around and full send it I think
and if it fails I got play ffixv
short lodge
frost or blood after patch tho?
winged basin
thats a question for the big boys
I am staying frost personally cause I have almost 34% crit
and am feeling it
cobalt pelican
wait until tuesday for someone with a brain to check it actually works
winged basin
^^^^^^^^^^^
please dont take my word on it
I am a monkey
who does out of pocket stuff
winged basin
?
kind veldt
it will tell you about unholy vrs frost
winged basin
I dont need to check pins
kind veldt
Frost is only going be for pure ST
dusk void
We’re assassination rogues….isn’t our whole thing being uh…ST specialists?
winged basin
imagine @ing me and telling me to check pins
when I live in this discord
and check pins as soon as they are posted
timid talon
We’re assassination rogues….isn’t our whole thing being uh…ST specialists?
literally the only thing we should really be doing, or two target
winged basin
man I love my healers, but sitting in a corner for 20 seconds cause they cant get out dispels faster
makes me want to perish
kind veldt
Just get better
winged basin
I already linked my parses
steady glen
why does only Chaos bane has an animation zzz
winds of winter doesnt have anyhting wtf
short lodge
no need for toxicity
winged basin
im pretty decent for not having a set bonus for all of my heroic parses. MONKEY. @kind veldt
winged basin
yeah, only 2/10 mythic, whats your prog rn?
dusk void
Crimp working on a novel over there. He’s been typin like 5 min now
winged basin
im doing just fine where I am 🙂 with my frost set in mythic
mental trout
Hey, any one who raids mythic and or is an officer/recruit for a Mythic guild mind looking at my Logs for a moment? I've always raided mythic with a Guild full of RL friends (the little bit that i did" etc so ive never had to apply to another Guild. This Patch most of my friends are playing other games' or not planning on raiding mythic/ Just playing for M+, Any way I know some one said that heroic Parses dont really matter in terms of getting into a Mythic guild but what ever amount they do are my parses good enough for a decent Mythic guild? Id imagine no one is really running more then one rogue though since the only thing we really bring is ST DMG. Here is my logs... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/crimpdini
cobalt pelican
what is even going on in here
kind veldt
Good try, monkey, you shouldnt talk shit to random people cause you think youre a hot shot
cobalt pelican
are you trying to flex or something
winged basin
erics pp is bigger than mine
cobalt pelican
you're shit shut up and go away
dusk void
Eric got real mad
winged basin
and he wants the discord to know
kind veldt
I just told you to check pins cause youre asking simple questions about shards
nah, I really dont care but you asked
winged basin
I, didnt ask any questions
kind veldt
monkeyu
winged basin
so not only are you an inferior creature, you cant read either lol
cobalt pelican
wow is that the level headed cool as a cucumber subtlety cf rae-shalare??
echo geyser
icy ember
kind veldt
lucid meteor
Sub and outlaw players 
mental trout
ok so the chat is was to juicy atm i dont think any one is going to answer my question, and i don't blame yall. To busy making popcorn for this shit lmao
kind veldt
hence why you got directed to the pins
winged basin
LOL
kind veldt
monkey
shy dust
@cobalt pelican
winged basin
shy dust
Can read to ur logs
winged basin
😐
shy dust
He is adept at it
winged basin
I didnt ask a question and this man is upset with me D:
dusk void
Lmao
kind veldt
No one is upset but you tried calling me a monkey just cause I said check the pins but your parses prove you're dog.
stuck on the nine
kind veldt
Anyways, just going block your monkey brain.
dusk void
I mean…you’re acting pretty monkey-ish right now
winged basin
lucid meteor
It’s ok you both play the wrong spec 
winged basin
D:
kind veldt
I mean... you must be his boyfriend, scroll up, I didnt start anything toxic until he said something
lucid meteor
Big true
mental trout
Crimp working on a novel over there. He’s been typin like 5 min now
haha i was talking on discord and then seen i was missing a lot of juicy convo so was reading that to lol
dusk void
Toadie, we’re a thing now! 😍
kind veldt
@mental trout Best advice is to get in a lower end mythic guild and get logs there, you can app to better ones after.
winged basin
@mental trout if you want an opinion of a poopy rogue, your parses are better than mine, I would full send into a mythic guild if thats what you want ❤️
kind veldt
But yeah, your logs should be fine for a mythic guild
this tier is pretty friendly to melee compared to others
winged basin
heck yeah @dusk void ❤️ bring it in bb
zinc frost
This shit is cringe
winged basin
wat, that was for crimp
cause he was asking about joining a mythic guild
my guilds goal is CE this tier, so if I can do it he can.
cobalt pelican
honestly seeing the inside apps that guild that are way above 'entry mythic' guilds get
just shoot a bunch out and something will land
the average application to decent guilds even is like 3 words long with 3 normal mode boss kills
hazy crater
should see what we entry mythic guilds get 
dusk void
I'm just glad apps arent as big of a thing as they used to be.
north basin
People still do apps for guilds? Soo 2012
cobalt pelican
how else would you find people
shy dust
Filtered
north basin
Lol some banned words or?
cobalt pelican
yes there is an autofilter
north basin
Hmm it was completely normal without something unusual)
cobalt pelican
moroes racist against russians??
north basin
Heh
north basin
Ah ok. Will avoid that
cobalt pelican
doing all recruitment 1 on 1 is a lot of effort
north basin
Well if u get thousand of application mb. But its not the case for 99% of guilds
Many are struggle to get recruits
mild dagger
Ya we had a 5 man friend group join our guild a few days ago lmao it’s gonna be awkward if any of them are booty cheeks
mild dagger
Ya recipe for disaster
north basin
Even couples are bad.
mild dagger
It’s super awkward when one of them is a big pumper and the other sucks, and you’re mythic prog and have to bench the one that’s not great
north basin
Exactly
mild dagger
They all left last night before they even raided tho lmao
Prob sent in a buncha apps to a buncha guilds and are tryna pick the best one
north basin
Never saw succesfull group joining guild ranks in a years
Always someone leaving and then others too)
For various reasons
arctic walrus
why you leaking my app
mental trout
@Toad#1231 yea none of my parses are with set bonuses either other then KT and fatescribe. Though the first time I killed fatescribe was with a pumper pug, got a higher parse with out the bonus. Best pug I’ve been in to date 🤣 great comp, we two shot him, faster kill time and no deaths.
vestal wren
yes its a false positive
gloomy rose
saying having groups join a guild is a big no is pretty weird considering interaction with people is what mmos are all about
like yeah, it can get awkward when someone performs bad, but playing with friends is why I am still playing wow in the first place, getting to know new people is bleh
void needle
I think the big risk is cliques, which are never good for guilds in the long run. So often it's safer to just recruit single players over groups. Not all groups are bad obviously, but often it's not worth the stress of finding out if they are.
fallen arch
I think the bigger issue is the difference in skill in groups
snow plinth
is Nadjia still best for Assassination or is it the same as Sub where its Nadjia bis till Theotar capstone?
grim shuttle
I failed my step so many more times than I thought I would on Ner'zhul mythic (when I had the knockback and was furthest out). Like at times I don't even know how since I successfully did it when I did exactly the same. Anyone else struggled or is it just me that need to l2p
shadow tusk
Do u use the MD WA
violet hollow
can u link the wa u're talking about?
sometimes it feels just impossible to hit step back, idk
gloomy knoll
best way to sell yourself to a guild are A.) i love to raid, overtime, on time, any time, B.) i do all my dailys and chores ahead of schedule, C.) i prep and research fights, D.) I'm not an outlaw rogue
grim shuttle
Am not using the MD WA
vestal wren
best way to sell yourself to a guild are A.) i love to raid, overtime, on time, ...
E.) I love mandatory extra raid days that are optional
gloomy knoll
nothing like mandatory optional shit
they used to hit us with that all the time in the military lol
vestal wren
i mean they are optional
you are just no longer part of the raiding team if you don't participate, so no biggie
gloomy knoll
LOL
lusty surge
Perks of being in a mediocre mythic guild
The whole thing is optional to old blind fucks like us
shadow tusk
Am not using the MD WA
The MD WA makes it much easier its just a Big cast bar of the massdispel but the timing is easier to hit, we used this one https://wago.io/fkKJNBIuG
shadow tusk
can u link the wa u're talking about?
^
slim jay
Cringe
thorny pond
What
real bay
wat
gloomy rose
is there a list of sims comparing trinkets? is the 252 ilvl variant of phial and shadowgrasp totem still top?
merry fox
herodamage
gloomy rose
thanks
vestal wren
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
fallen arch
What do the titanic ocular gland 100 and 75% mean?
Is 75% like if you benefit from the worthy buff for 75% of the time?
gloomy rose
probably yeah
olive tendon
Remnant of Ner'zhul [Mythic]
Top#40 rogues play with Elaborate Planning and Vigor Instead of Blindside and Deeper Stratagem.
- Why?
It's a pure single target fight without any bonus damage phase (e.g. Sludgefist). The only time when you can't DPS and can pool energy for Vigor is when you get Malevolence. So please, explain this to me.
south belfry
Maybe because its just passive
fiery mauve
Are they running CT
north basin
Its 40 dps difference in a 9k simc profile and requires more attention to rotation
So why bother)
past crypt
Remnant of Ner'zhul [Mythic]
Top#40 rogues play with Elaborate Planning and Vigo...
Because you can dot the orbs and refund energy for more ST dmg on remnant
neon pasture
gives less variance, high variance = bad
past crypt
The energy regen still works when the orbs are not dmg-able, makes EP and Vigor a strong choice
neon pasture
Haven't really seen anyone do that, i think rank 1 log does it twice in whole fight, orbs doesn't give energy when dead either
olive tendon
The energy regen still works when the orbs are not dmg-able, makes EP and Vigor ...
You mean garroting them when they're immune?
manic haven
Would it even be a DPS increase to dot the orbs just for energy even when not dmg-able?
neon pasture
Main thing is just so simple that planning + vigor feels better to play, and you have less variance on each pull - you will see more blindside some weeks into farm when people start going for rng logs
In progress, low variance > high variance, even if high variance build is 40 dps more on avg
past crypt
You mean garroting them when they're immune?
Yes, Rup and Garrote the Orbs when they spawn. Felt like the energy regen still worked, after the got killed. But correct ne if i‘m wrong
tranquil lagoon
Hay guys away to craft a new lego and was wondering if obediance was any good or stick with doom ? 😛
neon pasture
Unless they fixed it very recently, orbs does not give rupture energy when killed
neon pasture
Same thing for warlock shadowburn - cus the orbs doesn't actually "die"
tranquil lagoon
Ye i get that its just every logs are showing rogues still useing doom
fiery mauve
Doom easier to play with
Punished less
Think it was very slightly behind ST
Or ahead
Idr
fiery mauve
It was minor but you can always sim it
exotic hare
whats the best lego to build first for raid/m+
shut flame
Zoldyck
fiery mauve
But in raid doomblade > zoldyck
And I’d imagine using the other in opp content feelsbad
shut flame
Ye, zold pretty much useless on sylv
quasi venture
i mean most execute phases in sancy D is very fast aswell so its meh anyways :x
shut flame
Yesterday some1 told abt his experience using doomblade in m+, didnt try it myself tho
kind talon
u can go with dashing
its better than doomblade in m+
and will scale well with frost set and crit in raid
shut flame
Sim, what else.
fiery mauve
Oh dashing not a terrible suggestion for both content if you need one
quasi venture
yea if frost shard goes it's way, its gonna be fun to play with dashing again
ruby oyster
what exactly you need to make frost set and dashing good? like certain crit %?
exotic hare
Obedience if venth
yeah im vent. do i build it on back?
exotic hare
doomblade also?
quasi venture
yes
keen aurora
Just in general - don't build leggos in any slot that has a shard socket from raid
feral lantern
Can someone explain how zoldyck beats doom in m+ and visa versa?
kind talon
what exactly you need to make frost set and dashing good? like certain crit %?
just a ton of crit
it just scales with crit
fiery mauve
Can someone explain how zoldyck beats doom in m+ and visa versa?
Doom is st only
kind talon
more crit
quasi venture
foksmashdoor lego
quasi venture
bonespike is fun when it works 
atomic flax
Hi guys, why sims on bloodmallet says frost set is good for rogues but nobody plays it and for every other class it is so bad ?
quasi venture
crit, crit, and frost shard is not working properly atm either so gotta wait for hotfix
atomic flax
crit, crit, and frost shard is not working properly atm either so gotta wait for...
but there are other classes with crit as well, and it is so bad for them
quasi venture
can't really name one class with a streamlined uptime of constant crits
other then rogues
gloomy rose
the difference is that there is a damage cap of what it takes from crits, so big crits are not as effective as small crits and with dashing and high crit build you are doing a lot of small crits with the poison procs
quasi venture
^
exotic hare
i wanna play sin in raid and outlaw in rogue, is it easy to keep both specs up at a good level with gear?
i mean, weps are a problem only..
steel bane
I have my unholy set upgraded already 
atomic flax
the difference is that there is a damage cap of what it takes from crits, so big...
so after hotfix it is worth playing frost, right ?
quasi venture
i wanna play sin in raid and outlaw in rogue, is it easy to keep both specs up a...
venthyr outlaw is kinda cringe. but yea it works. but if i played m+ and sin i would prob just be necro and hope they fix sbs
atomic flax
i wanna play sin in raid and outlaw in rogue, is it easy to keep both specs up a...
play sub to m+
gloomy rose
so after hotfix it is worth playing frost, right ?
idk, we will see, personally I am not too much flavor of the month player so I wont switch to it just yet
steel bane
Imagine thinking SBS is not working as intended at this point 
exotic hare
play sub to m+
never touched sub, how hard is it to pick up properly?
steel bane
it's not hard
exotic hare
venthyr outlaw is kinda cringe. but yea it works. but if i played m+ and sin i w...
i saw some top rogues on raider io bein venth outlaw, is it far behind nl?
gloomy rose
got the unholy set as a necro with doomblade and like the gameplay, if it turns out absolutely busted I might consider changing to venthyr with dashing and frost set, but probably not
but they could fix the sbs already 
quasi venture
i saw some top rogues on raider io bein venth outlaw, is it far behind nl?
dont really know exactly the dungeonslice between a outlaw venth and a nl outlaw but should not be a mile between em
fiery mauve
i saw some top rogues on raider io bein venth outlaw, is it far behind nl?
Nah venth outlaw is fine but I wouldn’t pay attention to raider io atm cause people are progressing raid
steel bane
What I don't understand is how they broke it. It was working and all of the sudden SBS is now hot garbage
fiery mauve
So they’re venth for raid
steel bane
it's a very punishing spec
fiery mauve
Subt is relatively easy but punishing
steel bane
if you F up you lose a lot of DPS
exotic hare
is it harder than unholy dk?
steel bane
I no nothing about DKs
gloomy rose
how visible is the frost set bonus? the effect on the unholy set bonus legit bothers me, as if it wasnt enough with all the covenant abilities under the boss now I have permanent swirling purple around myself
atomic flax
well i can give sub a try, heard its one of the harder specs to play
aoe is super easy 😄 you are just alternating shuriken with black powder 😄
with shadowdance active if available of course
exotic hare
Alright thanks will give a try
atomic flax
in S1 i played outlaw to m+ and sin to raid as venth
and outlaw was so unpleasant when i was caped to 5 targets and no big cds and my mates were doing tons of dmg
now as sub we are on the same spot
exotic hare
ok sounds good man
cinder grotto
Hey guys do you know if playing with a latency of around 130ms have a huge impact on your dps?
cinder grotto
That's what I was afraid of
plain thistle
it does not, I play with 140-160 without any problems
wow has spell queue and gcd, you can play with that ping just fine
austere gorge
another 1 month of grind for 1650 soulcinders lol
quasi venture
it does not, I play with 140-160 without any problems
I mean it depends on what level you are playing, he asked if it affects dps and it most certainly do. Maybe not pure button pushing. but literaly how much you are active in a fight etc. all burns if you have ms lag.
plain thistle
yeah, doesn't impact you that much
quasi venture
but a impact is a impact, and that is what he asked xd
plain thistle
since legion I get a lot of 99%-100% playing with 140-160 ms, never once I noticed I was doing less dps because of my ping
he asked if it has a HUGE impact, it does not, maybe for caster (I dont know), but for rogues the impact is really really negligible
quasi venture
right so you tell me that we take nerzhul progression with a 160 ms lag, you would 100% just parse a 99% percentile with the ms buffering?
you can not say that its not a huge impact. maybe on a dummy it doesnt matter
odd heath
right so you tell me that we take nerzhul progression with a 160 ms lag, you wou...
I have a 99% on M nerzhul, playing at 160ms
It really doesn't impact that much
plain thistle
yup, I can shadowstep without leaving the ground with a mass dispell WA, no problem
steel bane
playing assassination really diminishes latency influence. It absolutely sucks for Outlaw though.
odd heath
playing assassination really diminishes latency influence. It absolutely sucks f...
Agreed for outlaw
south belfry
yup, I can shadowstep without leaving the ground with a mass dispell WA, no prob...
This might be a dumb confirmation, but you have to shadowstep right after the cast is done right? Or is there some weird interaction that you shadowstep a bit early or anything
plain thistle
you can shadowstep a little before the cast, like 0.1s before or something
or after, but you need to shadowstep before you are thrown away too far away from the edge, you can get "no path" if you are too far away
south belfry
Its probably safest to target the other malevolence guy to shadowstep into?
tawdry sparrow
sorry if this has been asked but, i am looking at bloodmallet atm, dashing seems to be little above doomblade.. so can i assume when running full frost set dashing is BIS?
plain thistle
Its probably safest to target the other malevolence guy to shadowstep into?
thats unsafe, you can die with 1-2 ticks from the ground
dusk void
Consensus right now is wait for the Sims tomorrow once hotfixes go live
tawdry sparrow
ok ^^
dusk void
But, it is looking that way with what’s been run so far. Check the pin in the sub channel if you’re interested
coral hazel
If the dashing scoundrel build ends up being the way to go for ST, does it notably shift stat priority towards crit?
I'm sure crit is higher then it is without the build, but unsure by how much
tawdry sparrow
i am really intrested in what reset sims will bring us
dusk void
I believe the priority will switch to crit with frost set and dashing
coral hazel
i've been playing sub but want to expand to more specs also, at least for fights like the nine so I won't feel so impotent there. Was thinking of crafting 235 doomblade and dashing scoundrel and trying them out
@dusk void above haste even? Or would it be haste>crit instead of haste>vers
dusk void
Above haste, since both heavily rely on crit
tawdry sparrow
it has been haste crit for me most of the times
tawdry sparrow
when i dropped low on crit it took over prio for me
coral hazel
in crafting these legendaries, would you recommend haste+vers missive on doomblade, haste+crit missive on dashing scoundrel?
dusk void
Right now it’s still Haste -> Crit for raid. But with frost/dash, they whole build relies on crits, especially with how big of a chunk the sets do
For raid? It’s always haste crit
coral hazel
kk
oh sorry i misread prev message, still waking up
thanks, i'ma grab both and mess with them on some dummies
i have way more soul ash then I know what to do with so i don't mind if it ends up being wasted
dusk void
And m+ is Zoldyks 😂
coral hazel
roger that
dusk void
But doomblade is probably the most versatile
coral hazel
does the doomblade bleed trigger the energy from bleeds passive?
dusk void
Nah, only Garrote/Rup/Internal Bleeding
coral hazel
kk
so the dashing scoundrel build would have noticeably higher energy regen i'd guess
from the bleed crits
dusk void
Poison crits, but yea
With dashing your poisons should be critting around 50+% of the time
coral hazel
Do they have any difference in rotation, or does dashing scoundrel just play a bit faster due to more energy
dusk void
It’s the same, since you’re not prioritizing different abilities
dusk void
Everyone’s here to learn
coral hazel
oh one last one - assassination is kinda known for being less punished by downtime then other specs because of its poisons/bleeds. Does that change much with the dashing scoundrel build, either in the positive or negative?
quasi venture
its bcs the poisons are split up in 2
but not in sims
If you add theese 2 poison is gonne be one of you'r top bonks
golden roost
I’ve simmed where crit takes priority over haste, where my haste is at 22%. Is there a difference in feel between 22% and 20%? The difference in dps is like +18 for more crit. May be a dumb question
subtle tundra
i prefer more crit than haste, feels better for me
plain thistle
I’ve simmed where crit takes priority over haste, where my haste is at 22%. Is t...
you wont feel 2%, like never
golden roost
you wont feel 2%, like never
I didn’t think so. Thanks
golden roost
i prefer more crit than haste, feels better for me
I guess that works well for aoe, too.
rigid pecan
changing to night fae is worth? i like a lot the mogs and the theme of the covenant, but im afraid to change lol
im actually playing as sin in raids and outlaw
south belfry
You are probably fine
south belfry
You can check how much the dps difference is and choose yourself
And if you care about the difference
rigid pecan
how can i check it?
south belfry
You can add covenants to sim on raidbots
lusty surge
I play nf and absolutely love soulshape
Iirc nf is closest to venthyr and Necro for sin
Nf is much worse for sub and outlaw
Still kinda stupid to never cast the free stealth ability but whatever
thin nexus
I have recently crafted Obedience and noticed that when I play sub with deeper strat and no premed I comfortably manage to get to 30 stacks most of the times, but on Assa(Vigor) I usually end up with 23-25 buff stacks. Is this normal or am I failing something?
plain thistle
yes, assa doesn't get as many stacks as sub
and vigor doesnt help you getting more stacks
crit luck does
thin nexus
okay, thanks
rocky pecan
We go Nadja with reset?
plain thistle
We go Nadja with reset?
yes
shadow brook
I was just about to ask the same with obedience as assa. Pretty rouch getting 30 stacks to make the cd line up with vendetta
rocky pecan
Ok
plain thistle
as assa you usually get 19-25 stacks
I got 27 once I think last night, but its really uncommon
rocky pecan
I usually got 27 28 with lust on pull
alpine latch
Pretty sure I got 30-something once, but that was Terragrue so it doesn't count. ol
shadow brook
like i use it before rupture and then i line it up with next vendetta or use it on cd = think most cases can be 15-20 sec of holing
holding
rocky pecan
On CD or delay if you don't loose cast
plain thistle
I usually got 27 28 with lust on pull
again, lust doesnt help, you arent energy capped for flagg stacks, but gcd capped, you need crit luck to get 4 combo point in one gcd
shadow brook
what u mean by not losing cast ? So i just never line it up with vendetta cos u will always be holding it for a bit of secs
rocky pecan
Well idk only on pull I reach 27 28 so idk though was due to lust
plain thistle
yeah, I get more stack on pull too, even without lust
rocky pecan
OK ok
visual prairie
when it lines up with the crit from vanish and energy from vendetta, i get more stacks
and you always have those on open
plain thistle
lust can smooth out for sure, but in the end you need 4cp mutilates
alpine latch
Is anyone else content with their Obedience and questioning if they'll ever go into Torghast again?
Because that's where I'm at
visual prairie
i go for the chance at the 252 conduit upgrade things
alpine latch
I didn't touch Torghast or m+ this week, and I only did 1 day of Korthia.
red atlas
if i play assasi and sub in raids should i go for obedience first in 262 ilvl?
south belfry
Its a good choice
alpine latch
if i play assasi and sub in raids should i go for obedience first in 262 ilvl?
Yes, if you're dual-speccing you should go crit/vers Obedience as of now - but wait until tomorrow because that MIGHT change.
alpine latch
Equipping frost set already changed my trinket choices, and Frost getting buffed may make Dashing our best legendary choice.
noble umbra
dashing scoundrel is crit/haste right?
heavy forge
alpine latch
If I swap to Unholy, it goes back to Phial/Shadowgrasp
mossy mulch
Buff IQD with crític buff sounds good
70% critical in opener with bl and Flag. Buffff
slow marsh
Weird phial is still bis for me with dashing frost. How much crit do you have currently ?
alpine latch
I'm at 32% crit 18% haste
alpine latch
g'damn
kind talon
Weird phial is still bis for me with dashing frost. How much crit do you have cu...
of course it is
phial is insane
alpine latch
Yeah, Phial is my 3rd best trinket right now
kind talon
broken trinket
alpine latch
Maybe even 4th, since I didn't compare it to the one from Guardian
mild dagger
Nerf phial if I can’t use it no one can
slow marsh
Yes I know, which is why I thought it was weird iqd simmed higher for him
kind talon
@alpine latch i think you just dont have enough crit
mild dagger
20 runs no phial smh
kind talon
so iqd is simming higher
alpine latch
I probably don't
alpine latch
Downside of this RNG-fest of a game is I'm limited to what I can get
kind talon
to use frost set
slow marsh
I mean you don't NEED it
mild dagger
Are we talking single target cause 40% crit seems like overkill
alpine latch
Well, I "literally" only have 3 Dom sockets, so it's being used no matter what
lone wren
IQD Sims higher for me too, about 0.5% higher equal ilvl. Problem with IQD is that it can be a bit of a sim trap
slow marsh
But crit value goes through the roof and haste slowly declines when you get dashing frost going
noble umbra
@kind talon those requirements were pre buff tho?
alpine latch
The more I play WoW the more I wish I didn't... I swear. So much about this game annoys me. lol
lone wren
It's like how even though BS/DS Sims higher most sins opt to play with vigor and EB
slow marsh
you do if you want it to outperform unholy
Ik how the dashing frost thing works, I am the one who helped figure it out in the first place 😉
kind talon
fair enough
mild dagger
Ya fuck a cube iqd is da poop
kind talon
iqd is da poop on jah
mild dagger
I just wanna poke bad guys with my dagga not use a rubix cube in combat
slow marsh
Don't use it then lol
mild dagger
I don’t use it
I use the ole ticking sack and fusion amp but I’m phial chasing like a ho
lone wren
Looking at early Sims...with outlaw having a clear advantage in ST dps and having better AOE....none of this might matter anyway we might become the Chad spec
slow marsh
?
mild dagger
Sin is halfchad spec already
lone wren
Outlaw channel has some early Sims posted with frost set
slow marsh
Outlaw doesn't have clear advantage in st
bleak sky
Outlaw doesn't have clear advantage in st
1k in the sims sounds pretty good
lone wren
Well that's what the early Sims showed as of 2 days ago
mild dagger
Ya it’s cranking
slow marsh
Lol
lone wren
Of course we need to wait for official numbers but it doesn't look good
lone wren
Venthyr outlaw ST just doesn't sit well with me for some reason lol
kind talon
252 painsmith mainhand and sylvanas dagger offhand is mandatory
with sylvanas ring etc etc etc
slow marsh
Sin will be better than outlaw calm down
kind talon
dont worry about it, its irrelevant for months
lone wren
Yes I was looking at my gear it will be a few weeks before I can really take advantage of the frost buffs
mild dagger
Outlaw could do 20k I’d still play sin
plain thistle
no no no, start to panic
slow marsh
But I'm happy that all 3 specs are really close and still at the top
plain thistle
kind talon
lmao
kind talon
But I'm happy that all 3 specs are really close and still at the top
me too man
makes me 
bleak sky
buy the news sell the dip
winged basin
I mean, despite what sims say, I’m actively playing frost set DB right now and feel like I’m doing okay, maybe not the top of the top, but I’m running DB instead of Dashing and only have 34% crit
cause heck em
noble umbra
dashing shud be made with crit>haste right?
exotic hare
what is dashing
wild birch
cobalt pelican
they're aware, it's probably just very low prio
it's been bug reported a billion times both the long public way and privately, can only hope a fix randomly ships on reset
and ya crit/haste is fine
slow marsh
dashing shud be made with crit>haste right?
Yes
lone wren
considering what has been happening at blizzard the past few weeks .....SBS bug or any bug for that matter is probably pretty low priority ...they had to all work together to remove that /spit emote!
jagged osprey
what if they release WOTLK Classic
all the NPCs /spit your DK player character when you first enter your home city
will they nerf that quest???
snow plinth
The bleed from Doomblade doesnt proc Venemous Wounds, right?
plain thistle
Only rupture and garrote.
and internal bleeding 🙂
nova flax
and internal bleeding 🙂
Didnt know that actually. Thanks 🙂
dull osprey
considering what has been happening at blizzard the past few weeks .....SBS bug ...
Wait, the /spit was removed?
royal lantern
spec channels are not the place for twitch chat discussions like that btw
uneven summit
So im about to make a 262 leggo, i know dashing might seem strong on wednesday, but im guessing it´s still worth making doomblade on cloak?
rocky pecan
not strong on wednesday
ocean cave
So im about to make a 262 leggo, i know dashing might seem strong on wednesday, ...
think the general recommendation is to wait until tomorrow mornings reset (if NA) to be sure.
rocky pecan
why should be ? or youu keeped all ember for frost shard
if not time to upgrade frost you got time to make decision and see change
merry mountain
go team yellow (all sin rogues) - BiS for guardian I guess
craggy oak
As a lazy player im went with obediance and sticking with uh, it works fine you will still parse if youre good no matter what you go
weak bane
ive been doing better with obe tbh
craggy oak
The only reason i went obediance is so i dont have to go farm another leggo, i do the bare minimum to be optimal then leave it there
merry mountain
I went with Doomblade because I was afraid Obedience or Venthyr would get nerfed and didn't want to be stuck on a covenant specific leggo
and the difference was minimal at the time
pure moth
U see mostly sub on guardian based on logs
weak bane
yeah no downtime so sub very pog
lone wren
when i sim obe vs doom for me, the difference is very small, and considering doomblade is signifricantly easier to get maximum profit from, i assume it's the reason many choose to run doomblade right now
craggy oak
Doomblade is easier to get value, on 2+ targets obediance pulls ahead slightly, but marginally
lone wren
obe is great if you know you can always hit it on cool down and always get maximized usage in every fight (this is much eaiser to accomplish in M+ than raids imo)
fallen arch
go team yellow (all sin rogues) - BiS for guardian I guess
Not to rain on your parade but I think sub is better atm for that fight tho..
craggy oak
Very unlikly you will miss a cast of obediance if you know the fights
merry mountain
@pure moth I can see that. If I wasn't so gear optimized and experienced with sin I could see sub pushing hard
lone wren
yes but raid dps is changing constantly right now ,due to set bonuses and gear upgrades it's hard to 100% predict phasing
merry mountain
but as it was, we were all sin rogues in that pull
pure moth
I also played it as sin the past week
fallen arch
Oogarogue should stop dieing tho 😄
craggy oak
Sub is also sometimes a bait, if you get unlucky with mechanics in a pull say bb to your parse
lone wren
and all that effort to plan out the fight with your cool downs, needing everything to go according to plan, raid dps to be within predicted range etc all for a -marginal- dps gain (and for some based on heir gear it's not even a gain) ...not worth it
that is why when you look at logs, most run doomblade, however that doesn't mean if you run obe you will be gimped, it's also great lol
craggy oak
Hard disagree it effects it that much
craggy oak
Most run doom as top logs are top players where they want the extra 70ish dps
merry mountain
yeah, I feel bad for oogarogue. I'm vereessa btw. I compared logs and I think the difference was the bastard Haqrogue has the Sylvanas dagger 
❤️
pure moth
Link the log
clever kindle
they're aware, it's probably just very low prio
Doubt it's low prio, more likely they're still working out what's causing it. Not every bug is an easy fix
strange python
Sooo. We going scoundrel frost? Or we waiting till tomorrow to be sure
If I'm gonna farm 5k soul ash I wanna get a head start on it
alpine latch
You'll get that before you can make a r6 anyway
At most you can afford a r5 this reset and you get like 2400 soul ash a week
lone wren
if you have alts you can funnel soul ashes to your main too
clever kindle
I already went in on frost, probably depends on your role in raid but I wont be playing Sin for multi target fights I play outlaw, so pure ST and then blasting on outlaw makes it perfect
alpine latch
It's 2 full 12 clears to get a r4 legendary and it's 3 weeks to get a r6 from Cinders
lone wren
bloodmallet character profile has 2 mythic sylv daggers on ...it's like when you are watching car review youtube videos and you get a lamborghini video as a suggested video to watch :\
gentle zinc
i'm using hekili to learn the assassination rotation... how much energy should i set to pool before recommending envenom
narrow ravine
How many people do you think will ever have 2 mythic sylv daggers
fallen arch
Plenty
fallen arch
Since this tier is gonna take a while
manic quartz
Anyone have issues hitting the add in fatescribe? i keep trying but it just sometimes misses all the time or cant just somehow hit it? its bugged?
bleak sky
something is fucked on fatescribe
fallen arch
Anyone have issues hitting the add in fatescribe? i keep trying but it just some...
Ye it can be super buggy
merry mountain
TIL that Edge of Night isn't unique equipt
bleak sky
last week I missed 3 muts in a row and I was big bigg big BIG sad
cobalt pelican
probably 80% or so
gentle zinc
what about this?
bleak sky
Sin doesn't really run MfD
cobalt pelican
0
runic terrace
does shadowstep work on mythic 2the eye"?
okay - do i end up right in front of it like on HC'
?
kk, thanks @snow crag
uneven hamlet
I dunno how much the gameplay will change with dashing+frost vs rn w doom+unholy in st, 2t/cleave etc
pulsar sable
do i only swap to the new leggo if i have the frost shards or is it better to swap before?
shell cloud
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3AEvRK5JVmKmNWxJXuiLz2 im not feeling DS, should i stay with DS or swap to vigor?
formal cargo
Looking to make a rogue alt and is wondering what horde race is better for rogue i plan on playing all the specs, and the bloodmallet sims are all over the place with rogue races
vestal wren
troll and bloodelf are usually good choices
but as nicoo mentioned, the diffrence is very small so just go with what appeals visually to you
formal cargo
yeah i can see that the sims are within 0.1k dps
slow marsh
that's not how that works btw
red plaza
If all else go goblin. Jump is OP
slow marsh
the envenom buff is something you have
so for aoe you would just make sure you have poisons up on all targets. which you should already since you are garrote/ rupturing
the only slight game play adjustment is that you should try to pandemic your envenoms without capping on energy
but its not THAT big of a deal as you should already be doing that on doomblade anyways
with dashing you're basically trading slightly harder hitting envenoms for more envenoms / more energy in general
polar moss
on mythic nerzhul, can we use shadowstep on a friendly target after massdispel? i tried it several times because boss was out of my shadowstep range, it either didnt work or i was too slow. I did it everytime boss was in my range, but i couldnt do it on a friendly target.
hollow river
on mythic nerzhul, can we use shadowstep on a friendly target after massdispel? ...
It does work, yes.
You are speaking from the stand point of you being dispelled yes?
polar moss
yes i was the furthest player
hollow river
Ok so
You have to cast step before you are over the edge of platform
You should try standing a couple yards from the edge and facing sideways so if you get blown backwards you have more travel time over the platform
Iirc
narrow ravine
yeah I was going to say the same thing the moment your character model is over the edge, the shadowstep stops working
polar moss
i mean can i use it to the behind target
hollow river
Not backwards
narrow ravine
if you have a target within range, you still have to hit it before you are over the lip of the ring
polar moss
i was always looking through the boss,, was it a mistake
narrow ravine
I put shadowstep on one of my mouse thumb buttons so its always the fastest option for me
hollow river
It’s safer to stand a couple yards from the edge, face sideways, and make sure you step before you are over the edge in the air
mental fog
Sup guys, some one can Help me with my gear. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vy3jvZX6JS6uJXNpkpqdz2
narrow ravine
you could make a macro that will target shadowstep at the closest ally automatically, if targeting is the issue
then you just have to hit the button and bamf
mental fog
I have 236 and 7,5 k dps
polar moss
okay thanks
south drum
I have 236 and 7,5 k dps
Weapons will fix that for you
south drum
Yeah that's the issue you need to get them upgraded
real bay
you dont have set bonus, thats a lotta dps
mental fog
Khortia dagger man
real bay
shards
south drum
pins 🙂
burnt star
Sup guys, some one can Help me with my gear. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/rep...
Unholy set bonus is insane boost
Seeing u have 3 piece i would use 3 frost or 3 blood depending.
Also i see u have 226 phial
Run p.f in 14-15 until u get phial. Theres a high chance u will get dagger from there before u get phial. Wich will also help a lot
A 246 phial was 150 dps increase for me over my 226 one
bleak sun
Dont worry im 244 without raid gear & im stuck 8k sim
burnt star
Its kinda shit since we only had 1 timewalking but. My suggestion would be to do the weekly quest from it
It gives a 226 raid piece
Got dom boots from that event 2 weeks ago
subtle kiln
A 246 phial was 150 dps increase for me over my 226 one
only
good chunk of dmg there
lone wren
I don't have Dom socket shoulders yet so I'm sitting here watching all you cool kids playing with frost set and feeling left out
royal lantern
i can gurantee you
99,999%of the people here wont use the frost set rn
cus they either dont have it
pumped all their upgrade stuff into unholy
or crafted obidience/doomblade first
subtle kiln
those that are dont have UH
pulsar sable
is it looking like outlaw will be muuch stronger or will ass still be viable?
pure moth
All specs are viable
pulsar sable
thats not the answer i was hoping for, the amount of choice in both spec and covenant is giving me anxiety, cant decide what to commit in
pliant nest
so why are ppl saying that outlaw will be good now? do they benefit more from the shard buffs somehow?
subtle kiln
outlaw always thinks they’re good 
pulsar sable
i wanna play ass for my raids and outlaw for dungeons, do you guys think i should stay venthyr or would there be a better iddle ground covenant for that
visual prairie
prelim sims show frost buffs make outlaw top ST
but that's with like maxxed out gear
subtle kiln
prelim sims show frost buffs make outlaw top ST
with talents no one will play and gear no one will have until prog is over.
pliant nest
and is there an explanation for why ol would suddenly be top after the buffs?
normal slate
Frost buff in sims will be out tomorrow?
visual prairie
because all their attacks trigger frost a bunch or something
pliant nest
yea ok but that should be true for all 3 specs
visual prairie
i don't know exactly how the frost bonus works, but sin only goes up like 1% with the buff but outlaw goes up 2.3%
obtuse robin
its cuz in the frost proc window outlaw is already going with alot of apm
the more shit u do in thw window the more dmg
burnt star
Frost set sims lower for me. And that with a 40% crit profile. Rank 4 and 262 dashing
So not gonna use it
trail anvil
with talents no one will play and gear no one will have until prog is over.
True, imagine wanting to play GS and KS on prog
burnt star
No.. nothing wrong the data isnt simply from.crit
Like all stat mather
It beats at bis lvl
But not at current
burnt star
Did u sim yourself?
obtuse robin
yes and have seen a bunch of other ppls
burnt star
U can sim the change now in expert
obtuse robin
my sin loses with my outlaw not having a 252 mh
by like 200 dps
ur gonna upgrade frost anyway
theres no delaying
visual prairie
i think you guys are comparing 2 different things
visual prairie
outlaw frost vs sin frost. and sin frost vs sin unholy
pliant nest
frost wins in the frost vs frost comparison? ^^
obtuse robin
?
pliant nest
you said frost wins both, but one of the competitions is frost vs frost
pulsar sable
is it worth swapping from venth to necro for outlaaw in m+? is it a big loss for sin in raid
obtuse robin
yes it wins there cuz its only frost
obtuse robin
sry if u dont understand
pliant nest
well yea no shit
burnt star
Thats frost with rank 4 262 dashing and 40% crit
narrow ravine
is that already buffed version of frost?
burnt star
Ya its in expert mode
And thats now
Well now in the near future for both case
Since u also need to sim with nadja last row
echo cargo
Frost set sims lower for me. And that with a 40% crit profile. Rank 4 and 262 da...
Same
burnt star
Its a big loss for me right now despite running 40% crit
I even had a higher dmaage with a lower crit value for frost
Keeping the 252 neck i have with 0 crit
Simmed higher then the high crit 226 neck from.raid
slow marsh
It's not all about the exact crit % ya know...
obtuse robin
u do not have 40 % crit in that frost sim
u have 829 crit
40 % is like 1010 or something
slow marsh
is it worth swapping from venth to necro for outlaaw in m+? is it a big loss for...
It's not a big loss if it's working properly but sbs is bugged right now so I would personally wait until they fix the bugs to swap necro
pulsar sable
It's not a big loss if it's working properly but sbs is bugged right now so I wo...
alright thanks
dusk mason
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
slow marsh
This is with rank 2 frost shards
Moral of the story, wait until tomorrow
Like we've been saying for a week now
pulsar sable
btw would a 252 shadowgrasp totem or a 232 sack trink from tasa be best?
obtuse robin
rasp
slow marsh
Sim =D
obtuse robin
grasp
spice spire
You should sim but more than likely the totem
pulsar sable
when i sim its like less than 1% diff
obtuse robin
see iceblades sim with less ilvl and two ranks lower only 100 dps from the other sim
but he has alot of crit
magic number
2marow gonna be fun
spice spire
This is 34 all over again
slow marsh
The point is that there are most likely going to be a lot of things that are really close with all the specs and combinations, so everyone is going to need to sim themselves instead of copy pasting the 'bis' setup
pulsar sable
btw i see everyone using vigor + elaborate planning but when i sim deeper + blindside sims better, is there a reason to use v+ep instead?
slow marsh
Feelycraft
slow marsh
And there's lots of random add spawns in more than half the fights so epvig wins overall for those
pulsar sable
thank god that me using the worse simming talents was justified
i hate deeper
with a passion
slow marsh
Lel
With dashing vigor becomes redundant so bs/DS is super good
Hence another reason why people will have to sim for their individual taste/setup
pulsar sable
will dashing be alot better than doomblade? still trying to figure out if i wanna ccraft my outlaw leggo before or after dahsing
narrow ravine
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dLsnn2i4v4tBXiw5tUH919
try running some of your dashing sims with different soulbind conduits, ive seen it prefer Lethal poisons in that setup
slow marsh
Dashing is already better than doomblade by over 300 dps with full bis sims so do with that what you will
narrow ravine
only matters if its more dps with your gear, not some mythical bis list
burnt star
This sim is missing 5% crit. Gonna have to redo it when im at home
mossy mulch
No. Dashing is better than doomblade with ventyr and 40% crític. But un holy with worse stats works better
burnt star
It has 2 wrong item for some reason
narrow ravine
missing some enchants too
slow marsh
Uh can carry undergeared profiles
mossy mulch
Probably right now with 240-243 ilvl without bis, necro/ventyr un holy will have better damage. But sim first.
dusk mason
are these legendarys, dashing vs doomblade, considering taking crimson tempest for single target ? as in less envenoms = less crit poisons or more dots but lesser cast of envenom with doom.
also is dashing counting the poison bomb poison for crits ?
tawdry sparrow
i just got the fushion amp, do we always use it with vendetta? or just on cd?
obtuse robin
on cd with flag ir ur venth
plain thistle
i just got the fushion amp, do we always use it with vendetta? or just on cd?
on cd, vendetta doesn't buff trinkets
dusk void
If you use it with flag, you’re wasting 30 seconds of cool down time. Just use it whenever it’s up.
tawdry sparrow
ye but am necro anyways so
dusk void
Just bind it to mutilate and forget about it, unless you really need priority target dps for a fight
tawdry sparrow
cheers! 🙂
dusk void
Well I should say that’s the lazy mans way. But use it on CD when you know you have 20 seconds of uptime on a target to max it.
warm scarab
is edge of night simming correctly?
i simmed it in OH as 233 and a 236 simmed 8 dps better than it
obtuse robin
the effect seems to be weak unless u have 2 dfaggers or mythic version im not sure tho
which is why next vault im looting as outlaw fuck egde of night
warm scarab
Ahh i see, i havent really looked at it since ptr when it was op as F
narrow ravine
im considering making my next legendary outlaw as well
warm scarab
yeah ill make it for m+
fiery mauve
nah the dagger isnt too pog for assass
obtuse robin
it is for sub iirc
fiery mauve
yes
obtuse robin
for outlaw im not sure
theres a string somehwre in this discord wher u can sim for it
hc version
tawdry sparrow
wait, edge aint huge for sin? feelsbad
narrow ravine
I did a few sims with my own gear and adding a edge was a dps loss because it had no stats
was not expecting that
soft shale
double hc edge should also be a win with assa
toxic root
hello guys i recently started doing m+ as assa had more than 6 months to do m+ i did 6k dmg in a +10 is it good ?
soft shale
maybe on offhand is not as big as sub
narrow ravine
must be something about the scaling of bis mythic ones because ones I can actually get suck
soft shale
overall is impacted by many things
royal lantern
hello guys i recently started doing m+ as assa had more than 6 months to do m+ i...
overall dps is not a good statistic
toxic root
overall dps is not a good statistic
what should i watch?
royal lantern
way to many thing count into it
toxic root
it was SoA tho
royal lantern
tank pulls small? overall dps is low
narrow ravine
your dps will be higher will pulls of 8 than with pulls of 4, but not all tanks do that
toxic root
im really not into m+ at all i pvp/raid but never tried alot
the m+
so im kinda confused
obtuse robin
its the harder of the 3 specs in m+ just gotta get used to it
toxic root
tbh i have no prob with the spec being the hardest my worst problem is cus i never did a lot of m+ i dont know if im doing good or not 😄
tawdry sparrow
just interupt ther right stuff, use stuns where needed, and try to do as much dmg as possible
if u and the group aint dying, and ur timing it ur doing fine
narrow ravine
I think the easiest build to go with is the Subterfuge one, just try and get as many garrotes on the pack asap, then use CT , then start building ruptures on as many targets
for m+
tawdry sparrow
yep, thats what i do too
narrow ravine
I tried the Nightstalker/MfD one where you always open with CT and it just felt worse
I missed Vigor too much
narrow ravine
if you are fast you can get 4 garrotes on the pack on pull
toxic root
yy most of times is either 3 or 4
narrow ravine
just make sure dont pandemic the first ones, let them fall off before doing a new one