assassination

[alpine latch]

I'm a blue to purple parser ... I'll never see the real difference between that little of DPS

[hazy igloo]

Also it depends on the length of the fight, if you can get another Flag cast in

[rocky pecan]

personnaly next week nadja sim -10 vs theotar so idk if i will switch to nadja again actually

[alpine latch]

It's only a +75 DPS increase for me to go Theotar and that's including a ring enchant... sigh

[open reef]

Does it req dashing leggy ?

[rain edge]

when did soulbind change to theotar?

[shadow tusk]

Its only this week

since his tree is fully unlocked

[rain edge]

oh right, sorry i missed that. thank you

[austere gorge]

Hi! im thinking what to get for my lgendary as ventyr. Saw most of sin spec top charts dps are using doomblade?

is it doomblade the new BIS Now ? i am unholy

[teal geyser]

guys do you think that frost - dashing assa will outsim obedience sub on ST?

or what are your thoughts about it

in general

[reef axle]

It won’t out sim sub

[lethal zodiac]

So do the nerfs stay reverted and unholy will remain bis for us?

[hollow river]

Most likely no.

The nerfs should be coming next reset based on what I’ve read.

We don’t know anything for sure until they are reimplemented.

I completed all 3 shard sets yesterday. And only have the helm to make unholy set, I am fighting not to upgrade the unholy gems lol

[alpine latch]

I haven't raided at all this week and have 6 shards. I should, in theory, complete at least 2 sets this week.

[rocky pecan]

I hope for you

To much rng for make theory xd

[hollow river]

I didn’t pass my trial due to rng

X)

[rocky pecan]

I got all shard since week 2 a guildie got 3 shard from start not even a bonus one

[austere gorge]

better i stay with my current 235 doomblade legendary then..

than waste with obedience, then after 2 weeks diferent bis again

lol

[rocky pecan]

Personally I crafted the 262bonly for be able to trade cloak in raid

[pure moth]

Rng of what?

[rocky pecan]

Gems I suppose

[hollow river]

Gear

And shards

[dull cloak]

shards and domslots

[hollow escarp]

are you in a top10 guild?

[hollow river]

Not even close

[rocky pecan]

Top 100?

[hollow escarp]

if not, be glad you failed the trial in that guild

[hollow river]

Top 2k LOL

[rocky pecan]

So it's fine

[hollow river]

8/10 CN

[rocky pecan]

They suck

[alpine latch]

If you didn't pass a trial because of gear, you don't want to be in that guild anyway.

[hollow river]

Yeah I don’t think they know what they’re doing

[dull cloak]

u should apply to top 500

[hollow river]

They said I don’t do enough dps

[hollow escarp]

that doesn't mean you can't improve, but if the only reason was gear, it's kinda yikes

[dull cloak]

this is blessing in disguise

[hollow river]

15 minutes after I looted my 3rd unholy shard

[rocky pecan]

Player>gear

[pure moth]

Share a log if that's the case

[loud mason]

i saw the pin about the nerfs beeing reverted, does this mean the dashing scoundrel build is no longer a go ?

[craggy basin]

lol too many fights can you do if you just do mechanics soo idk about he gear thing they told you

[pure moth]

Maybe there's little things u can do without having set bonuses, etc

[alpine latch]

Unless you're just a bad, bad player, they may be a shitty guild that doesn't know how to evaluate players other than raw DPS numbers.

[rocky pecan]

That mean we wait the nerf or not next week

[glacial seal]

you can do 90 parse without gems tho

[hollow river]

If I make mistakes, I know what they are

[loud mason]

damn i wanna make a rank 6 leggo but i cant decide wich for raiding lol

really want to try out the dashing build

[jagged osprey]

Then make rank 6 dashing

its not that far off

[hollow river]

U sure about that? In heroic? With 230ilvl and no trinkets?

[hollow escarp]

yes

[glacial seal]

in heroic yes, at least ilvl parse.

[jagged osprey]

everyone worrying about losing double figures DPS for making X or upgrading X

just fuckin send it and play the game

[hollow river]

My ilvl parse is fine

Main parses are horrid

I just got fusion amp and totem

And unholy set bonus

[glacial seal]

no trinkets? what you are applying to? LFR guild? you should have at least have decent trinket even with 226 ilvl

[rocky pecan]

It's not that bad trinket lol

[hollow river]

Instantly went up to 8k

[hollow escarp]

bottom is no unholy, top is unholy

[hollow river]

I was using 226 skulkers

And Sludgefist chain

220 daggers

[rocky pecan]

Well with 6 more ilvl you didn't just changed shard kojak xd

[hollow river]

I just got 239 dagger a couple days ago

[glacial seal]

yeah that's fine. Either way, they have no clue and you are good without it, or they had good reason because you can still do decent dmg without gems, you know better than us tho, so I will believe you. Just wanted to state that you can parse decently without gems / bis trinket

[hollow river]

Kk

[pure moth]

Link a log. Let's see how people can help

[rocky pecan]

Well personally as long boss died I don't care about my log

[hollow river]

That’s ok, thanks

I’m at work

[jagged osprey]

this is the way to play

[hollow escarp]

you are right, on the top one I was also necrolord and bottom venthyr

[hollow river]

Gotta get back to it

Maybe later

[jagged osprey]

everyone is too obsessed with their parses

[rocky pecan]

The day I will get pay for parsing maybe I will take more care xd

[hollow escarp]

it can be fun if you have the proper toys

[jagged osprey]

like people in my two day, fairly casual guild are obsessing over their parses

and we've not even killed HC Sylv yet

and they're trying to optimise for a pink parse

[rocky pecan]

I'm only at 3/10 mm

[thorny pond]

Good parses are validation that you are doing the right things and your work is paying off

[glacial seal]

you can parse when you did everything to kill the boss.

If you do good parse but are not doing any mechanics when you need to, it's pointless

[subtle tundra]

not really, there's a thing called padding

[jagged osprey]

good parses are also indicator that you didn't get all of the mechanics

or that your guild vastly over gears the content

and that you padded it to fuck

so no i dont share that sentiment

[rocky pecan]

Yep

[thorny pond]

I got 2 bombs on guardian and a 99th parse. There is no padding

[subtle tundra]

??????

[thorny pond]

Sorry your parses suck

[subtle tundra]

dude??????

[hollow escarp]

you can still have good parses if you have to do mechanics lol

[subtle tundra]

do you know what padding is

cause getting mechanics isnt padding

[steel bane]

@jagged osprey that's absolutely not true at all

[subtle tundra]

also bombs impact so little on guardian

you lose 2 seconds of uptime

thats a shit example

[thorny pond]

Enough that it screws with SoD and Flag timers sure

[subtle tundra]

this is assa

[jagged osprey]

🤣

[subtle tundra]

my friend

also 2 seconds barely does

[thorny pond]

Still can screw with flag or vend windows

[subtle tundra]

dude...

[thorny pond]

let tank adds explode on fate scribe miss pad

[rocky pecan]

Kill timer can screw tho

[thorny pond]

It's not a huge pad raid

[subtle tundra]

you dont know what pad is

[thorny pond]

You're more likely impacted by kill times like U said

I do know what pad is

[subtle tundra]

nah

[thorny pond]

again, sorry your parses suck and/or guild sucks

[subtle tundra]

they dont

but ok

[jagged osprey]

this is closer to the truth

[thorny pond]

You're more likely impacted again, by kill times or bad Unholy set proc than mechanics in this raid or so called "pad"

[jagged osprey]

if your guild is average

and youre worried about your parsing

which is probably the vast majority of people here

then youre doing it wrong

same for my guild

[hollow escarp]

this is quite fitting

[cursive silo]

You should be lol

If youre not worried about doing your best dps numbers youre trash

[steel bane]

doing mechanics and having good numbers are not mutual exclusive, it makes no sense

[jagged osprey]

Didn't say that was the only influence did I KenJ?

Or did i??

[cursive silo]

Youre literally saying you shouldn’t worry about parses

[jagged osprey]

if youre average or in an average guild

[silk thunder]

Want to run high parses. Run with ppl that parse high.

[steel bane]

you're wrong

[jagged osprey]

read what i fucking wrote

[cursive silo]

Yea

[steel bane]

period

[silk thunder]

Don't want to put in the work to get in a guild that parses high. Then just play and have fun.

[cursive silo]

You still should

[alpine latch]

Link your parses, please.

[cursive silo]

???

[jagged osprey]

I'm also interested

[alpine latch]

You're clearly a 99% parser, so link

[subtle tundra]

how is that an argument

"link your parses"

[cursive silo]

Im not and thats not what i said

[mild dagger]

Kekekeke

[cursive silo]

If your best is a 70

Thats fine

But you should aim to hit a 70 every fight

Because doing your best is whats important

[alpine latch]

No, having fun is what's important

It's a fucking video game

If your fun is doing the most damage you can, great.

Some people just want to hang out and kill bosses with friends

Telling them their trash is asinine.

[mild dagger]

I like poke boss with dagga

[alpine latch]

Not everyone plays this game to be the best player they can be

[jagged osprey]

point i was trying to make

if youre progging through heroic still

or if youre 1/10 2/10 mythic

[hollow escarp]

parse discussions

[jagged osprey]

your parses are gonna be shit and thats fine 😄

[steel bane]

????????

[jagged osprey]

??????????????????

[alpine latch]

The average WoW player doesn't even get AotC. Sure, most of us aren't average, but holy shit the conversations in here some times ... It's like you people forget it's a video game.

[hollow escarp]

wrong though

[hollow river]

There’s definitely some pad on a couple fights

[steel bane]

holy

[cursive silo]

Depends what you mean by shit but thats not true

[hollow escarp]

80 is shit

[thorny pond]

Balls on smith get excluded. You can be up on KT is really about it

[cursive silo]

Yes you won’t be top 10 because of fight length and/or strats

[silk thunder]

Pad.....never

[harsh anchor]

Such an emotionally charged conversation topic.

[cursive silo]

But you can be top 25 on prog lol (in the first weeks)

[glacial seal]

Nooooooo please 😦

[steel bane]

compared to other raids sanctum is like pad free

[hollow escarp]

got 81 on the eye so I'm good, right?

[mild dagger]

The real question is… do you use fan of knives when walking through painsmith balls

[hollow river]

Fatescribe and soulrender adds? Umm

[thorny pond]

Honestly yes. Especially if your guild is degen

[glacial seal]

INSANE :p

[thorny pond]

The adds need to die?

[fallen arch]

Gamer

[subtle tundra]

parses with shards

[steel bane]

if you don't kill soulrender adds really really fast on mythic you die, how is that padding?

[mild dagger]

Ngl I’m 7/10hc blue parse Andy every raid my rotation gets cleaner tho and parses get better

[thorny pond]

All you can do mate, be better every day and you'll get great parses

[hollow river]

If you’re blowing coolies and stopping dps for another add set=pad

[thorny pond]

lol you're so wrong dude

The adds need to die in Sancy D

[craggy basin]

padding is doing dps to things you dont need to be damaging to inflate your numbers

[hollow river]

Stopping dps for another add set isn’t padding?

Are u crazy

[steep obsidian]

the OTHER people have to stop dps

coz m parse matters

[thorny pond]

No you're just throwing strawmen into this argument to sound smart

[steep obsidian]

i hit shit man

[thorny pond]

The adds need to die

or you wipe

[hollow river]

No I’m not

No shit

[thorny pond]

saving CDs is strat related

[mild dagger]

Imagine not hitting the boss at all times lol. Simply pretend you don’t speak English and ignore adds

[thorny pond]

like not blowing them is inting your raid

[jagged osprey]

hahah might try that tonight

[hollow river]

You’re not getting where I’m coming from

[alpine latch]

So, like 1/3 of KT? lol

[thorny pond]

From Normal?

[hollow river]

I’m not saying the adds are purely pad

[steep obsidian]

i cry to be in the wf group

[hollow river]

I’m saying u CAN pad on them

[steep obsidian]

coz the DPS MAN

[hollow river]

...

[fallen arch]

No

[thorny pond]

Then it's not padding by your own argument

[dull cloak]

we talkin about PaRsEs?

[dense bramble]

hey changing subject, what expansion did u guys found was funnier to play assassin?

[fallen arch]

They need to die so how is dpsing them padding

[hollow river]

......

[steep obsidian]

shoulder bombs in legion was op and fun

[hollow river]

Do you guys know how to read

[mild dagger]

Yea during kt just afk during adds be like “food 得走了” as long as you pump other fights they’ll be cool with it

[dense bramble]

you mean that 5s criticla after stealth?

[steep obsidian]

yah

[steel bane]

I miss 1 minute vendettas

[steep obsidian]

roill that dice on the chain crit pbs

and yeah the cdr boots

good stuff

[dense bramble]

i miss venomous wounds dealing damage

[silk thunder]

I miss Soul Capacitor shenanigans

[fallen arch]

I miss playing wow without having to care about what my parses would look like

[steep obsidian]

i wish soul cap scaled well in timewalking its still funny to use though

[mild dagger]

Ya all jokes aside parses do kinda matter when you wanna pug heroic/mythic since ppl will get you

Vet you*

[alpine latch]

I don't care what my parses look like. I'm usually top 3-5 DPS regardless of what class/spec I play and I actually have fun with the game. (Although I'm debating quitting altogether and moving to another game with all of the Blizzard shit going on)

[silk thunder]

Puggin mythic sounds and is painful

[alpine latch]

I pugged Mythic Terragrue. We 3-shot it

It's not bad, honestly.

[fallen arch]

It’s taragrue

[strange python]

weekly slotmachine isnt fun

[fallen arch]

It’s an even bigger meme than Shriek

[alpine latch]

I mean, I got 3-4 Mythic bosses in Nyalotha and CN too

[odd heath]

Terragrue is a joke

[steel bane]

parses doesn't matter, you have to do damage to kill bosses if you're into progress. If you underperform it will hinder you're group. That's it

[mild dagger]

Ya I’m sure some bosses are booty cheeks to pug on mythic

[alpine latch]

Sure, you're probably not doing Mythic KT in a pug

But you can get 3-4 bosses deep in pugs without that much hassle

[fallen arch]

Not at this point yet, in a couple months maybe

Weeks even

[steep obsidian]

i could see 3 pretty easily puggable in a month or 2

past that is a step up

[alpine latch]

Yup

[odd heath]

I don't think nerzul or dormazain will be easily pugable even with higher ilvls

[alpine latch]

A solid pug could get Eye for sure.

[mild dagger]

Yea to get in those groups you need good parses tho like we’re only 7/10hc but I’ve been tryna pug the last few on hc

[alpine latch]

Even today

[steep obsidian]

eye is easy as helll with great dps

[alpine latch]

But yeah, everyone will need more gear before a lot of that is puggable

[fallen arch]

ANd to show you’re great dps ppl wanna see your logs

[odd heath]

With good dps u can just stick to your add on p2 s and don't change sides, easy pz on the eye

[fallen arch]

So ye if you pug, parses do matter

[odd heath]

And the nine is easy af

[steep obsidian]

some of the highest farm parsing players ive played with are absolute dogshit on prog

of course the best players can do both

[fallen arch]

Ye same, but if you’re leading a pug u cant possibly know that

[fallen arch]

Thats because both on prog and farm they’re either not understanding or ignoring mechanics

But at some point bosses get nerfed and gear gets optimized so they survive anyway while ignoring lots of stuff

[silk thunder]

I run with a casual guild and top the charts so they let me ignore mechanics. I also bribe the priest for all the PIs.

[dull cloak]

play ff14 because parsing and logging is illegal there

[silk thunder]

Then how would I stroke my delicate ePeen

[thorny pond]

gently

[dull cloak]

you couldnt because feelings

[cobalt pelican]

pretty much the entirety of the endgame ff14 community logs and cares a lot about parses

[dull cloak]

and no one gave y permission to show epeen

[cobalt pelican]

infact most of their endgame is doing 1chest parse runs on reclear garbage

[cursive silo]

You can get banned if you flame someone for their dps right

[silk thunder]

Apologies. <zips up logs>

[north basin]

human nature is to compete. need to live with it. so dps matters

[neon cloak]

#246ilvl club

The set nerfs most likely going to be applied next rest right?

[north basin]

yes

[cursive silo]

no one knows

[north basin]

but they can decide to not, too

[sinful cradle]

should've just buffed the others tbh

[bleak sky]

save embers this week and do zero dps vs spend embers and do zero dps next week

what a great time to be alive

[alpine latch]

I've just been bumping everything to level 2 and sitting on the rest

[dreamy sparrow]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[celest marlin]

while gathering Unholy set, should i wear 3x dps stones from all sets in the meantime ?

[alpine latch]

Sim whatever is best for you

[silk thunder]

Lots of folks have been running without the set anyways and doing okay...balancing is balancing...happens

[dull cloak]

unholy is still going to be decent, stop saying stuff like zdps

[north basin]

iam going to stop at level 4 unholy now, and start frost, win-win anyway

[hollow vessel]

Hey everyone, I'm not sure how to effectively use my MA windows. Currently I'm doing the following: Vendetta>Shiv>Vanish>Envenom>Mutilate>Envenom. Should I be doing something different?

[spice spire]

That’s fine

Only caveat to the MA windows is to make sure you have some energy going into it

Otherwise vanish in CD

[woeful orbit]

Ideally you vanish with 5CPs and enough energy to Mutilate and envenom again

but sounds like youre good

[hollow vessel]

so I need to 5cp with shiv before going into vanish

i saw some russian dude going mutilate after each vanish so I thought i was doing something wrong

[lone wren]

thats why i always put extra emphasis on progression kill parse. The dps and general performance of a player on a prog kill is far more indicative of their ability than their performance on farm

[woeful orbit]

ideal scenario, yeah. Shiv is also the only time ill knowingly overcap CPs

because that juicy crit

[lone wren]

they need to get rid of mark legendary andj ust make the MA talent 100% crit for the 3 seconds it's on

[main blaze]

Still cant believe the necro bug is still in

[lone wren]

i think it's dumb that a 3sec duration talent doesn't crit 100% of the time

[rain edge]

dumb question. is it possible to sim for dom set bonus without having it? For instance, I just need the helm to unlock the bonus, but i dont have it

[alpine latch]

Yes, just select the gems on top gear

[late grove]

another dumb question: so you pretty much never pool energy or CP for shiv? the FAQs say you hard press shiv on CD?

[alpine latch]

Check out #assassination-faq - the very first item posted answers this for you

[fallen arch]

Oh yes for sure in most cases

[fallen arch]

U can get those windows to 100% atm

With enough crit + Heirmir

[lone wren]

ah im not necrolord but my crit is 33% base at the moment

i really been thinking about going back to necrolord tbh

[steel bane]

I would not recommend until they fix SBS

[late grove]

oh i've read it, that's why i mention it. also naturally pools into cooldown windows such as vendetta/shiv i need an elaboration on this, confused about this :\

[lone wren]

you basically only pool before a vendetta burst, and only delay shiv by maximum of 8-10 seconds if vendetta is coming off cooldown, outside of that window i only hold on to shiv for 1-2 seconds if my energy is super low, even then it's not advisable because you end up losing a cast if you do it too much. You want to have shiv up and running as much as possible, since shiv is a debuff uptime rather than a buff.

[alpine latch]

You're misunderstanding - you pool for Envenom (unless Shiv is currently active), and you always shiv + envenom. So you'll naturally be pooling for Shiv anyway.

[lone wren]

is the bug really game breaking? i see a lot of great necrolord sin parses, and from logs even with the bug it looks like it has the advantage on any fight there is more than 1 target

[steel bane]

if you don't care much about mythic+ it isn't game breaking. On dungeons however it's annoying as hell and very unrewarding for trying to play the covenant correctly

[lone wren]

gotcha

[late grove]

got it, thx

[lone wren]

so for M+ given the existence of the bug, is it still worth using necrolord as outlaw? or are outlaw rogues would be better off as venthyr in m+ until bug is fixed? i ask because i have tried sub rogue in M+ and really find it boring and i like outlaw a lot more for M+

[steel bane]

Honestly I don't know. I've been Necro since forever cause I really enjoy the playstyle

but I think you would be better with Venthyr atm

[lone wren]

it's that bad in dungeons huh? wow

i was necrolord briefly when i started playing my rogue again in shadowlands right before the patch but didn't do enough serious content on it to have a good idea

[late grove]

always shiv + envenom Given that you're at non deeper strat 4CP though right? so pool, shiv into 5CP (max), then envenom. What if you're at max CP when shiv comes up? Do you just pool, envenom and then shiv not to waste the shiv's CP?

[fallen arch]

I love necro too much to switch

[frigid sleet]

shiv on cd

[fallen arch]

And ye the bug sucks

But If you ‘play around’ it it’s kinda ok I guess

[fallen arch]

I just play sin in m+

[lone wren]

thats what im doing right now haha

i really find sub so boring

[fallen arch]

It’s tons of fun and in a lot of dungeons it’s actually realy good

[alpine latch]

Shiv even if you're at max stacks is what I have always been told.

[spice spire]

Correct

[subtle tundra]

chad

[fallen arch]

Ye never hold

[spice spire]

We slammin

[fallen arch]

Why?

[spice spire]

Any slammers in chat?

[subtle tundra]

i respect any sin m+ players

[spice spire]

Damn you gonna respect a lot of people then because there’s a lot here lol

[fallen arch]

Where shiv emoji

[fallen arch]

It’s the best. At start of dungeon everyone thinks ‘yikes, sin’ and then you pull massive numbers and they like eh

The boomie that says ‘y u no outlul’ and then u do 2k more overall than him

[deft wagon]

Everytime i see a venthyr boomie in m+ i get sad.

No one seems to able to actually play it

[versed mica]

God I miss BFA m+ sin

RIP SS

[fallen arch]

Most I know/have seen already swapped back fae

[slow marsh]

Yeah my guilds 2 boomies never swapped to venth. But they are questionable as is so kinda a good thing

[fallen arch]

My guildies are getting the hang of it I feel

But it’s been a rough couple of weeks for em

[rain edge]

hmm..last time i simmed that way it wasn't much different than without set bonus. I had the option check as well. maybe im doing something wrong

also, is anyone else having trouble loading topgear on raidbots?

[bleak sky]

no, works fine here

what doesn't work (or appears not to) is the option to sim all the domination gems on raidbots. If I choose to sim all the tier sets, it seems to ignore them and just sims what I have equipped. Am I dumb or...?

[lavish lichen]

Did you check the gems box?

[odd heath]

Gotta enable it to replace existing gems

[bleak sky]

Gems are checked, domination set shard bonuses is checked

[bleak sky]

god dammit that was it

ty ty psycho ❤️

[odd heath]

Yw ;)

[late birch]

Anyone know yet what shard set would be best for Assa after nerf?

[odd hazel]

#pins

[late birch]

is it a definite that next week it will be implemented though or is that still up in the air?

[deft obsidian]

Would zoldycks be better for m+ this week with lotsa adds living longer at low hp with fort+bolst?

[deft wagon]

I crafted zoldyck this week

[lavish lichen]

They said it will be with resets on twitter. Who knows if the changes will be the same tho

[deft wagon]

Wait, are we supposed to use phantom fire pot or agility on ST?

[bleak sky]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[deft wagon]

ah, ty

[bleak sky]

gotchu

[slow wadi]

Does cloak dispel bomb on Remnant?

[fleet atlas]

Yes

[red pagoda]

and does it knock you away?

[alpine latch]

I know I've cloaked bomb, but I don't remember if it knocked me or not

[hollow vessel]

it should knock you

i haven't tried it yet with my group, but i might try it next week to troll them

[pure moth]

I know the monk dispel knocked people. My group designated specific people to dispel to avoid this

I wouldnt troll your group and cause a wipe cuz to many people got booted

[hollow vessel]

dw about that, we are used to wipes lol

[pure moth]

Lol fair enough

[odd heath]

Cloak doesn't dispel the bomb on remnant btw

[icy ember]

yo on remnant do we target the boss or the player who is the opposite? for shadowstep for the knockoff

probably the boss right?

[patent quartz]

is there a macro for muti to change to ambush when blindside procs?

[odd heath]

I just shadowstep the boss

And use a weak aura to track the mass dispel cast

[icy ember]

ye i have the wa

but i was being a special person and targetting the player

and it didn't work

but shadowstep has a 31yard range anyway

so i'm sure i could reach the boss

[winter trout]

would someone please give me some ideas of how to improve? i am unsure what i am doing wrong:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zyhPQ76TGXqDc3gf#fight=38&type=casts&source=68

[astral plover]

Do u bois gamble for the agi WIth mad dukes tea. or keep haste/crit?

[icy ember]

i definitely gamble w/it, which just means activating it 1 hour before and then using it again on raid time if it isn't agi

[timid talon]

Difference is minimal either way

[dull cloak]

feelscraft tells me secondary stats is slightly better cuz its flat %, agi based off your actual agi number

[cursive silo]

yea agi should be the worst one

but it doesn't matter anyway

[strange python]

hey guys whats the best way to deal with remnant knockback? I mean when i have debuff and I am closer to the edge

[cursive silo]

shadowstep something (better if it doesn't move like someone immuning or a summon or boss)

[weak bane]

do you guys usually run eternal skirmish or stats?

[candid roost]

Guys, anyone know what the haste cap is for ass, I know their isn't a full haste cap but if their is % which the ticks increase, for fire mage it used to be every 12.5% hate gave you an extra tick

[red atlas]

is obedience simming higher than doomblade now?

[limber lion]

Our bleeds don't work like that.-

They increase dynamically and if the bleed drops, it will do an extra small tick for the remainder of the bleed.

[misty bough]

do you boys play blindside&deeper or elab&vigor?

on st ofc

[limber lion]

EP/Vig

[misty bough]

why

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wfwbEdVLjtPWByfCmAkCE5

[limber lion]

Better for burst
Better for movement
Better for several targets
Better for PI

[candid roost]

Okay thanks ceverion!

[weak bane]

feels a little faster paced and i just perform better with it

[misty bough]

its 1% less dps

and other classes have higher pi priority

[limber lion]

And most importantly

[misty bough]

like locks/boomies

[limber lion]

It feels better.

[misty bough]

it does feel better for sure

[weak bane]

just try playing it and play bs/ds as well

see what you actually do better on

[misty bough]

i played both throughout 9.1

[weak bane]

there def isnt a wrong answer

just preference imo

[candid roost]

So what's your haste ceverion?

[misty bough]

ill stick to EB&VIG for now

now i just gotta blow our priest for pi's

and get actual daggers

[weak bane]

daggers are a myth :/

[misty bough]

no

PHIAL IS A MYTH

im balls deep into plaguefall, got 6 ooze trinkets

[weak bane]

the state of me right now

[misty bough]

shadowgrasp op tho

[weak bane]

ahh yeah im next up for guardian trinket in heroic next week

[spice spire]

15 runs deep this season myself

Unlucky

[weak bane]

very excited for that

[candid roost]

That new mega dungeon satchel trinket is pretty good right?

[misty bough]

it sims well

the sack from tzavesh

but i don't want a 233 trinket

[candid roost]

Yeah fair

[misty bough]

i want my 252 phial then mythic salvaged

[candid roost]

It's an upgrade for me though or one of mine, I have worst luck

Killed 10 bosses hc now and not 1 loot drop yet -_- wtf is that

[misty bough]

got this beauty fuck yesterday

[misty bough]

amazing to have a keybind less aswell, imagine having ambush bound kekw

[wide thistle]

233 ticking sac was 9.1% of my dps on a raid boss and on my mythic+ bosses when I tried last night.

[misty bough]

should probably run a tazavesh this week for the trinket chance, its better than 239 titanic ocular gland atleast 🙂

[misty bough]

as outlaw or ass tho

[wide thistle]

Outlaw 😄

[weary marten]

When i tried to switch assa from sub, without gemming and enchanting haste, i had hard time to reach 30 stacks of flag, is it because i didn't pool before?

[misty bough]

thats a whole lot different i bet

kinda irrelevant in a ass channel

@weary marten is that with vigor&EB?

[wide thistle]

Perhaps. I figured in a discussion of trinket damage it might be relevant. Mb!

[misty bough]

i had alot easier reaching 30 with deeper+blindside

[weary marten]

i was running blindside deeper too yeah

[misty bough]

also idk ur stats but i gemmed&enchanted crit (and were suppose to)

[spice spire]

We don’t reach 30 stacks regularly

[misty bough]

its rng af

i always get ~25+

depending on crits

if you wanna minmax and be a god u time it with thrill seeker

[weary marten]

i most of time get to 24-25ish in ST yeah

[misty bough]

and you got no problem reaching 30

[spice spire]

It is usually around 18-24 stacks 18 being the GIGA low side. But 25isg also seems good

[misty bough]

if you ever get 18 you're doing something wrong or have very low crit&haste

or EXTREMELY unlucky i guess

[weary marten]

yeah nah 18 is scenario where i got to move, and didn't hit

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[weary marten]

doesn't open in a clean flag window

[misty bough]

how do you open?

muta-snd-muta-garrote?

thats how I open atleast

[vast forum]

Mut snd mut gar flag rup

[misty bough]

^yea unless i get 3 CP from non crit muta in MA window which is extremely unlikely

[vast forum]

There are some nice bosses with phylacteries in their rooms, like remnant that u can use to build cp for snd prepull

[misty bough]

i logged 9370 on soulrender

probably my favorite boss 😄

[vast forum]

And then i open with mut-env-mut if 4cp from first mut, mut-mut-flag-rup-gar if <4 cp from first mut

[misty bough]

if you have a guild that lets u have CP when pulling im happy for you

or a SnD up

[vast forum]

I mean, unless they clear out all the pots on the side

[misty bough]

oo

[vast forum]

They can't really stop you from getting cp for pull

[misty bough]

havnt even thought about those

thought u ment from the monsters before boss

[limber lion]

Which difficulty? :P

[misty bough]

hc

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/Vulpen#difficulty=4&spec=Assassination

we did a fast hc clear yesterday

on sunday & monday we got mythic

[limber lion]

ah, good stuff :P

[misty bough]

rememant is prob the best patchwerk boss

literally 0 mechanics on hc

[limber lion]

well

[misty bough]

unless ur guild is bad and not massdispelling both orbs at once

[limber lion]

guardian is

[misty bough]

no

u have more uptime on remenant

[limber lion]

you definitely don't.

[spice spire]

I was going to say guardian is like the best

[misty bough]

on guardian u can get beams and shit

[spice spire]

Not even close

[limber lion]

sure

you can get beams on remnant as well

[spice spire]

You just move quick

[misty bough]

on remenant unless u get orbs

you always have shadowstep

u never have to move with group

and u can eaisily dance with pebbles

[lost mist]

it doesn't depends on how fast u move, depends on timers of dispell and mech

[spice spire]

For guardian?

[misty bough]

im saing unless ur guild is pepega and mass dispells both

u got 100% uptime on remenant

[limber lion]

You get that on guardian as well

[misty bough]

well

[lost mist]

my bad lol

[misty bough]

yes

[spice spire]

Definitely do. You can move out with little time left and step back to boss

[misty bough]

but you are more likely to get a mechanic on you

[spice spire]

Uptime is so high on guardian lol

[misty bough]

uptimes higher on remenant, atleast mine.

[spice spire]

You can miss like an auto or two

But that’s it on most

[limber lion]

How so?

I've done several guardian kills

on all difficulties

[misty bough]

there are 3 "beams"

[limber lion]

and I've gotten beams

like twice

[misty bough]

whatever u wanna call them

[limber lion]

ever

[misty bough]

on remenant theres only 2 😉

33% more likely

to get a mechanic on you

[spice spire]

By my count

There’s a 50/50 shot on both

[limber lion]

But that's not how it works

[spice spire]

You either get the mechanic or you don’t

[limber lion]

Are you sure that it's equal chance for all specs

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

regardless of whether or not they are melee

[misty bough]

my best remenant uptime was 99.75%
and guardian was 99.65%

[limber lion]

or ranged

or healer

or tank

[misty bough]

literally the same

[limber lion]

Also, which difficulty are you talking about

[misty bough]

right now hc

[limber lion]

let me see my uptimes

[misty bough]

remenant mythic is just more pebbles aint it

so more dancing

[limber lion]

Remnant

Guardian

[misty bough]

are those on hc?

[limber lion]

yes

[misty bough]

I got more active on remmy than u got on guardian

i win the argument

kekw

[lost mist]

😏 fyi on remnant u need to be on a certain spot and get dispelled. on guardian u can just run later, explode and shadowstep in like 1 sec(heroic, because u dont need to recharge stones)

[limber lion]

But you don't understand

that by nature

a fight which has knockbacks and adds

[misty bough]

you don't @lost mist

u shadowstep

[wanton creek]

Anyone here able to help analyse logs? Parse 50% ish so I guess I’m fucking trash🥲

[limber lion]

is more likely to result in less uptime on the priority single target

than a fight

[lost mist]

u shadowstep and blow your raid to dalaran right?

[misty bough]

u dont ever have to stop attacking the boss on remmy hc unless u get orb

[limber lion]

which doesn't have any adds or sudden movement

[lost mist]

u HAVE to wait dispell

[misty bough]

u dps boss

and when they dispell the two people who got orbs back to back of eachother

[limber lion]

Listen

[misty bough]

mass dispell

[limber lion]

It's literally the same uptime

[misty bough]

u shadowstep

[limber lion]

Like it doesn't matter

lul

[misty bough]

yea cev

im just curious what bugii means

[limber lion]

but it's not true

that Remnant is a better "patchwork" boss

[misty bough]

i feel bad for him, i think they dont know what mass disepll is

[limber lion]

because by nature it is not a patchwork boss

and Guardian is closer to that

[lost mist]

LOL bad for me? why?

[misty bough]

because your saying that i have to stand in a specific spot

XD

[lost mist]

and thats true lol

[misty bough]

yea, the specific boss is right next to the boss with ur daggers

[spice spire]

If you have malevolence

[misty bough]

do you have this spell bound?

[lost mist]

HAHAHH this kid

[misty bough]

this is funny

[shy dust]

Guardians is the most patchwork esque boss

[misty bough]

imma wait till he realises

[shy dust]

I’ve remembered blizzard put out

In years

[limber lion]

Yep

[shy dust]

You lose like 2-3 seconds with bombs

[misty bough]

this is literally remenant @lost mist

DK looking outside, DH looking at boss priest massdispell u shadowstep and keep on attacking boss

u dont do jack shit

[weak bane]

link/dm me and i can look

[lost mist]

THANKS GOD now u will understand

[pure osprey]

u dispell both bombs at same time on remant?

[lost mist]

WHAT IF YOU are in the DKs position?

cmon, use your brain

[dawn ivy]

yo chill lol

[lost mist]

stupid people makes me mad lol

[misty bough]

cloak and wipe

no logs otherwise

😉

[spice spire]

????????? Toxic

[misty bough]

if you gonna play rogue atleast think like one

[spice spire]

But respect the grustle

[misty bough]

kekkekekekekek

you cloak and say, oops missclick

[lost mist]

hahah little kid, lets blue parse on heroic

[misty bough]

nobody cares unless ur the bad dps in ur guild

ok, lets compare dicks

send ur logs

[pure osprey]

im real stupid, do u dispell both bombs at the same time on remant?

[shy dust]

Stop being children

[dawn ivy]

yes you mass dispell

[shy dust]

On M Knatt you mass dispel

You could do it on heroic too

[pure osprey]

far out ty

[misty bough]

knatt the DK in my pic

has to look outside of the map

and the DH look at boss

[upbeat sandal]

currently at remnant mythic, is it really reliable to shadowstep if you getting mass dispelled. Fells like a 50:50. Am i just too old ?

[misty bough]

otherwise its GG

[misty bough]

send me ur logs if you wanna be cocky 🙂

[lost mist]

LUL

babycry?

[misty bough]

yea you asked for it

[lost mist]

when?

just shut up, this channel is not for this

little kid

cya

[misty bough]

😿

[limber lion]

Okay calm down boys.

[dawn ivy]

bro both of you need to chill

lmao

[lost mist]

idk what's with this kid

[dawn ivy]

i have never seen either of you before

[misty bough]

im a lurker, just coming in when im bored

[dawn ivy]

bro its not "this kid". its botrh of you. both of yall go touch grass or get a glass of water

[limber lion]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormreaver/ceverion
@misty bough

lul

[misty bough]

tthats something i like!

[limber lion]

can I be cocky now?

[misty bough]

are those with PI&fae or without? 😄

[limber lion]

without any externals

[misty bough]

respectable

[limber lion]

those are boost runs

[spice spire]

Only a 98 on sylvanas? Disappointed. Or wait. Was that the log you borked dude?

[limber lion]

Yeh, it's bad I know

[spice spire]

No fucking way dude

[limber lion]

I got a r5 6.5k pull today but it was private logged so oh well

[spice spire]

“I borked a log” is like a purple

[fleet atlas]

@limber lion u know there is such a thing as too big? That goes for e dics as well

[spice spire]

Not a fucking 98

[misty bough]

if i had your weapons i wouldnt be too far off i believe

fucking nutty

[limber lion]

Definitely would.

[winged basin]

You’d be way off

You ain’t da goat

[misty bough]

our rotation is straight up braindead

oooo you doombalde & crimston tempest

I like it

[dawn ivy]

lol

[misty bough]

O banshee's blight did less damage as ass than i thought it would

[winged basin]

Comparing yourself to others is usually good for this game, but everytime I look at Cevs logs I feel like a shitter

[trail anvil]

How i get like you? my logs are pretty good but not that good

[lost mist]

gets the same gear OMG if i had those 60 fps, not my current 59,9 i would have 99 and 100 parses too, me soo gud

[misty bough]

is this guy for real

[winged basin]

[misty bough]

o @limber lion u got no enhancement shammy? 😦

[limber lion]

We do on mythic

but like I said

those were boost runs

[misty bough]

ye

[limber lion]

so they are random comps

with random people

[misty bough]

im just looking through it

[limber lion]

they're not exactly log runs

[misty bough]

rank1 logs are kinda log runs

[limber lion]

No

Log runs

are log runs

Getting r1 logs

does not mean that it's a "log run"

[misty bough]

i see what you mean

[limber lion]

Log runs can be log runs without anyone getting r1

[misty bough]

you necro or venthyr atm?

im looking at ur guardian log, thats a necro run

[limber lion]

Currently Venthyr

Swapped yesterday

[misty bough]

I would like to see those private progress logs tho 😄

those i can compare with mine

[quasi oak]

just got the amplifier trinket

is it best to use on cd?

or wait for vend?

[misty bough]

same cd as flagg

i would probably use them together

[subtle tundra]

idk if its hasted

[misty bough]

even tho its more value using it once u reached ur stacks on flag

or mid flag*

[limber lion]

sec doing sylv

[misty bough]

but i'd just make a flag+salvaged macro, im lazy

[limber lion]

@misty bough

[copper sundial]

jesus cev are these mostly necro?

[limber lion]

I mean I've done every boss twice, except the nine and Fatescribe

Nine was Necro, Fatescribe Venth

Others are combination of both

Guardian is the only fight I didn't get a r1 in as Necro, but I got it secured after the fact as Venthyr

[copper sundial]

very nice

[spice spire]

12k soulrenderender on heroic

[sudden canyon]

ive seen better

[limber lion]

That's mythic...

He asked for prog logs.

[spice spire]

Ohhhhh

That’s still

[marble hemlock]

padverion

[sudden canyon]

u got sylvie dagger

noice

[unreal glen]

So I keep seeing Dashing being brought up in Youtube videos and how its OP compared to Doom/Obed.

I cant seem to find anything in the pinned stuff to show this. Am I missing something?

[limber lion]

Dashing sims similarly to Doom/Obedience, but it's still the underdog.

[cosmic moss]

we got it boys

[limber lion]

It's not the best choice for any content, that's why it's not mentioned much.

It's good, but not as good as Doom/Obed

[cosmic moss]

should I use this on main hand or offhand my other dagger is 252

[limber lion]

It might see play if the dom shard nerfs go live.

[unreal glen]

Gotchya. I was worried I was gunna have to recraft my leggo

[limber lion]

252 mh, that off hand

[obtuse robin]

well u might on reset

[scenic osprey]

limit said they didnt bring rogue for sylvanas fight because of guess what ?

[sudden canyon]

not tryna brag or anything but i did get a 54% on Eye 😏

[vast forum]

Their rogue didn't get unh set

[slow marsh]

Lol

[scenic osprey]

so they would replace arms with rogue

[vast forum]

No, they would replace shadow with rogue

[slow marsh]

@limber lion idk why people think parsing is all gear and not majority skill

[vast forum]

Cuz it makes them feel better

[obtuse robin]

its majortiy skill and raid strength

[copper sundial]

i mean these heroic parses cevs 239 ilevel, thats not very high

[vast forum]

How many times i've heard from ppl obviously fuckin up their rotation "if i had your gear id be doing the same dps"

[slow marsh]

Like yes gear has a part to play. And yes parse does not directly equal skill. But to get 100s you do have to be good

[scenic osprey]

i think gear set up too like if you have no haste and play deeper stra lol

[sudden canyon]

239 is high

[slow marsh]

Unless it was just week 1 and you had god rng with Dom set

[sudden canyon]

im 227 lol

[slow marsh]

239 isn't that high

That's heroic ilvl

[copper sundial]

its not high at all

[shy dust]

It’s not majority skill

[sudden canyon]

nah heroic is like 230

[vast forum]

239 isn't high at all

[shy dust]

If anything gear matters more

Than skill

For parsing

Especially at the higher end

Where people know how to play their specs

[pure osprey]

guild filled with other pple pumping helps too

[vast forum]

This is assuming the 2 ppl are somewhat similar in skill tho

[scenic osprey]

also the right raid buff like windfury

[shy dust]

Being similar in skill isn’t that hard in WoW

[vast forum]

Eh, you'd be surprised

[scenic osprey]

even windfury doesnt help sin that much

[shy dust]

The game isn’t challenging enough for two good players to differentiate so much

Especially as a melee spec

[vast forum]

That's the key

2 good players

[slow marsh]

Ok so yes I agree to an extent

[shy dust]

Yes that is why I said at the top end

[slow marsh]

Especially right now early in the tier

[shy dust]

Can also do the opposite

Being in a bad guild can help you parse better

[vast forum]

Guild filled with pumpers helps you on st fights

[scenic osprey]

do u guys think sin is the best melee spec for 2 target fight ?

[shy dust]

^

[slow marsh]

For sure

[vast forum]

Guild filled with pepegas helps on aoe

[shy dust]

Any aoe fight being in a bad guild makes parsing easier

[slow marsh]

Also prog vs farm

[vast forum]

I could never get a 99 on vexiona/carapace/n'zoth in nyalotha despite getting consistent 99s on other bosses

We had 4 fire mages, 3 hunters and 3 destro locks iirc

[shy dust]

Yep can be painful

[vast forum]

And a super greedy dh

[shy dust]

My one friend who sandbags raiding enjoys progging in worse guilds for that reason

He just solos the mobs for his guild on any aoe fight

[vast forum]

Xd

[slow marsh]

Also understanding parse does not directly equal skill, but it is a decent initial gauge

[vast forum]

Tbf, 100% parses are gear/luck mostly

99% is skill

[shy dust]

If you know your spec 95% is a joke

This tier it’s a bit worse off

Because of how much rng plays a part as of now

[vast forum]

It will even out later in the tier

[slow marsh]

People worry too much about parsing imo. Just play the fight and play optimally and you'll generally do well

[shy dust]

Yep

If you had UH week 1 or 2

You could sleepwalk to orange parses

While messing up

[vast forum]

I managed to delete 1 of my unholy gems week 2 while having the set

It was very epic

[sudden canyon]

i dont have a guild so logs is really the only cred i can get for pugs

[pure osprey]

yall are gettin unholy gems? 😫

[sudden canyon]

yall getting helmets?????????????????????????? 😭

not even lfr

fuck me

[slow marsh]

Fair

[sudden canyon]

people do worry too much about parsing but the reality is they exist

and we have to work with it

or not

idrc

lol

only thing i do is check my dot uptimes

it does look nice seeing orange when u pull up wcl

cant deny that

[viscid spear]

I need better stuff

[real bay]

another hc run, another no dom loot week

amazinga

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dull cloak]

just get funneled by guild

[real bay]

nobody got any for trade XD

[timid talon]

I feel like that's just unlucky, id say most of my guild is 240+ now and can trade most of the heroic drops

[real bay]

yep, we have plenty of leather in raid but nobody gets any

[timid talon]

We're trading sylvanas loot already, but im the unlucky one there - 0 drops from her and we've killed her every week lol

[real bay]

one leather person with chaos bane so far

actually hilarious luck

[obtuse robin]

@limber lion when u have time can you look at this similar casts/gear/kill time no extra buffs but im 2k dps down from yours what the problem here https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LVwv6zkCy7RbqNFD#fight=36&type=damage-done&source=12

[primal zodiac]

oh man multispeccing with theotar buff is so scuffed, buff disappears but the cd does not : (

[limber lion]

You can use the compare feature in WCL to compare our logs if you want

I'm currently raiding, sorry :(

[obtuse robin]

oh i dont didnt know ill figure it out

[glass grotto]

Are bosses parrying like 100 times these days or is it just me

[timid talon]

dont stand in front of them

Glancing blows will happen but a full parry shouldnt if you position behind the boss

[pine grove]

Typical. Get my unholy set now that there's doubt in the air. Don't even want to level the shards.

[glass grotto]

I know i do stand behind them , it just feels like they avoid too often

[timid talon]

No doubt, its still better

Next week they're nerfing them but we dont know how that will change things

[pine grove]

Aye. Just don't want to level unholy if I frost ends up being the champ.

[timid talon]

For sure, i feel that but its like saving valor for next patch who knows if the changes/nerfs will change that much

[drifting cloud]

upgrading to lvl 3 barely costs shards and even if it becomes worse you will still use 1 of them anyways

[spice spire]

Shard of dyz

[pine grove]

The DPS unholy is level 5. I got it super early and just spent my embers on it as it would be used either way.

[teal snow]

Hey guys as an m+ main pushing high keys only playing assa would you say necro or venthyr is better now with the bugs to necro. I have never played venthyr in m+ would love to hear from someone who has

[dry copper]

I've seen them parry SBS. And while casting on random people in raid.

[glass grotto]

That SBS bug is pretty prevalent yeah , but i feel like they also parry randomly even when its not SBS

[merry adder]

if i were to switch to sin and my obedience leggo is still vers/crit, will that work alright? i'm not sure which to focus yet as i'm used to sub by now, but.

[dry copper]

They 100% parry other things, but they'll do it while doing things that usually shouldn't parry (casting). And since they will turn and cast on certain targets, it gets quite annoying.

[winged basin]

So, this question keeps coming up and I’m not sure there has been a clear answer, proper usage of fusion amp. With Flag on CD or after you get the haste from flag, is the trink hasted? Is there an internal cd on the proc?

[vestal wren]

crit versa is good on sin too

[round swift]

Everyone knows that for pure single target, venthyr is winning and especially with the new covenant legendary. But how far behind is necrolord with doom blade? Is it enough to really effect raid progression? Also, what is this big people are talking about for Necro?

Bug*

[south belfry]

Very lucky loot day

232ilvl to 238ilvl

[slow marsh]

Right now it's more behind than it should be because of bugs. You can see them in pins. Overall Necro has a decent chance of pumping out more overall damage when you combine boss+add damage. Depends on what you value. I personally am of the belief that sin rogue is there for ST dmg and so I just look to push that as far as I can, but I also have lots of cleave specs in my group

And no, it's not going to affect your progression at all

[vestal wren]

The necro bug is probably more noticable in aoe/cleave/m+

[spice spire]

Only fight it’s noticeable on to me is the nine

[slow marsh]

I imagine it's pretty noticable on the add fights where you're a sbsing adds to get more cps on boss tho

Yeah makes sense

I played Necro for sire and then swapped venthyr at the start of the patch so my experience is limited but I know if it was bugged for sire like it is currently I would kind of feel like there's no point in sbsing adds if you aren't getting any refunds or extra cps

[odd heath]

I notice the necro bug a lot in single target

And not so much on aoe

[spice spire]

Yeah you don’t get refunds from targets that have been bonespiked more than once

[odd heath]

Sbsing the same tgt sometimes give me 2cp, 3cp or 1cp

On st

But cleaves, like dormazain

I just sbs other mobs

[spice spire]

So like the nine, essentially. If you sbs an add once you should get the refund

[odd heath]

And it is ok

[spice spire]

Yeah same

[odd heath]

The main issue is to sbs anything more than once for the refund

[slow marsh]

I mean yes but you should be getting the increased cp even if it's spread in aoe

[odd heath]

Well, I am getting

[spice spire]

That’s also a very inconsistent problem

[slow marsh]

So you're wasting like 4-5 cp every time you dump during gemstones

[spice spire]

Sometimes you do

Sometimes

[odd heath]

Ye. On st

Pretty annoying

[slow marsh]

I mean I guess it's some weird karma payback for the sire bugs that made it stronger than it should've been

[odd heath]

It's weird lol

On dormazain adds it looks ok

On st during gemstones not so much

[astral plover]

can we cloak the metor on KT?

[limber lion]

Yes

[pure moth]

What view is this?

[shadow tusk]

Do i commit to upg doomblade to r6

what are the chances that dashing/obediance is gonna be used more for mythic prog

[odd heath]

Resources, combo points - on events tab

[pure moth]

Thanks

[timid talon]

yes, dashing and obedience are only better with a ton of gear

and even then, obedience is like 1% better

[vital nexus]

does the covs matter a lot?

like is it a big increase to dmg or something?

[rich raft]

Hi guys, im actually run doomblade, and have 3 frost rank 4, no head for unholy, have 32% crit, should i run scoundrel/frost Build?

[odd heath]

Frost set is currently bugged

A nerf on all sets is probably coming next week

So just hold on

[timid talon]

Doesnt matter much if you're venth/necro but the other two are kinda bad.

[hollow river]

Sim yourself

[timid talon]

No, you'll need a lot more gear and we'll need to see where the pieces land with the nerfs next week

[hollow river]

He already upgraded frost

He may as well simulate it and see lol

I don’t think anyone here can answer for certain what’s best for your character

[long hawk]

I have 31% crit, 29% haste thanks to the ocular gland, 16% mastery, 9% verse and 1471 agility, if I wanted to sim or figure out the best stat to get and reroll before raid from theotars party pack how could I do that?

Or is it agi above all?

[vital nexus]

dang im NF

was since xpac came out and dont really wanna grind again

[grim sable]

Man the sbs bug makes necro feel like dogshit in raid

Might have to swap to venthyr if it doesn’t get fixed by reset

[alpine latch]

Renown is stupidly fast now. I got to 40 in a day.

[grim sable]

Sucks because outlaw is my main spec for keys

[strange silo]

Hey 8,4k dps in 17 dos is fine or nah? i feel like i missplay big time

[vital nexus]

wut

40 in one day how?

[alpine latch]

You get it from world bosses, callings, 2 per campaign quest now, and dungeons.

9.1 drastically improved the rate at which you get renown

[mental girder]

I recently swapped to Venthyr and can attest that Renown is very easy to grind now. I did not get 40 in a day, but I got 32. At 51 know. I swapped on Saturday and don't play a ton.

[alpine latch]

I actually found a heroic-dungeon farm group in custom group finder

It was a bunch of us just farming renown

We were all geared and smashed through them super quick

[vestal wren]

if you do lfr/some casual content and the covenant campain its actually fairly quick to hit max renown

its just about investing time

[vital nexus]

hmm

[alpine latch]

Yup, but no matter what, it's much quicker than before.

The covenant chapters gives you like 16 or 18 alone

So if you save both world bosses, invasion, and callings that alone gives you like half of what you'll be missing

[vestal wren]

just keep in mind that your lfr drops can be lower on higher renown levels

[mental girder]

I spammed level 9 torgasts and kept doing those until they stopped giving renown. Then I did all the Daily cov quests and completed the campaign

[alpine latch]

Oh right - Torghast gives it too

I forgot about that actually

[vestal wren]

e.g. i did lfr with over 10 renown and got 3 renown for all 4 wings (of the now old raid)

[mental girder]

Was a great way to max out torgast knowledge too!

[warped oak]

yea...I got 40-49 renown through Torghast level 9, every other run dropped a renown

[vestal wren]

what was not worth the time investment (tho i possibly was also unlucky with renown drops)

[alpine latch]

Yeah, definitely do heroic dungeons > LFR

I was getting them every run then every-other

[vestal wren]

some ppl did say they got renown on every or nearly every lfr boss

[mental girder]

I started with LFR but stopped quickly once we started wiping on the first boss of the the raid...

[vestal wren]

and if this is the case i see it as a good option but probably would suggest to do lfr before bringing your renown up

[mental girder]

If you can get a crew, spam low level mythics. if you're solo, grind on torgast with a podcast or some tunes playing

[hollow river]

Agi is typically 1 agi=3 of any secondary stat. You’d have to do the math and see how much agi you get from the buff and you’d know.

[uneven hatch]

How strong do you guys think Assa is gonna be once they fix the necro bugs? Like both raid and m+ Will it be able to compete with outlaw/sub

[hollow river]

It’s viable

[shadow tusk]

How many targets does the sylv dagger becomes less strong on?

[hollow river]

But less damage