assassination

[vestal wren]

Wasteland Property is probably a slightly overlooked trait that gives your raid benefits

so while tripple potency is for your personal dps the best choice
its possible that wasteland offers strong value because it affects additional players

for reference:

[celest marlin]

Q: Raid: Last second Shiv, do i risk to sneak in another envenom maybe or safely reapply garrote/Rupture ?

[gentle gyro]

alright, we're gaming

[deft wagon]

If i wanna do keys and raid should i just craft obedience, or should i try and doomblade for ST and zordycks for keys?

[woeful orbit]

you can obedience Crit/Vers and it will work for both sub and sin if youre tight on cinders

on back

[cosmic prism]

why not just rank 6 obedience instead?

[prisma cypress]

who's not tight on cinders at this point?

[gentle gyro]

DB sims higher for me

and quite frankly, I like it more than Obedience

[deft wagon]

But u can use obedience in keys too

[celest marlin]

so we vendor old one now ? cant it be disenchanted 😛

[lone minnow]

Guys is obedience doing better again now?

I checked pins

but wanted some opinions on it

[celest marlin]

Anyone help ?

[halcyon zealot]

holy canoli this obedience vs doomblade shit when will end

[gentle gyro]

I prefer Zoldyck's there. In high keys shit lives long enough

[cosmic prism]

fair enough, i suppose if you're one tricking sin its fine, obedience outperforms it at higher ilvls tho but by then you'd have enough cinders for both

[deft wagon]

What is high keys Flint? Im only doing like 15-17 right now

[south belfry]

If rupture is still up when you envenom then go for it

[lone minnow]

@halcyon zealot D:

[gentle gyro]

18+

but "high" is relative

also always depends what you have with you

[austere comet]

Yo fellas. We have a guy in our guild playing assassination and he says that he's not getting energy back from Venomous Wounds when garrote ticks. Target is definitely poisoned but does anyone have a weakaura or tip to track it? I'm assuming that he is getting energy back but maybe just not noticing it

[gentle gyro]

It's highly unlikely only his character is bugged that way

but you could simply look at logs, there's a metric for "resources generated"

[rocky rain]

It doesn't show up in logs

[gentle gyro]

wait it doesn't?

[rocky rain]

Not sure if that's normal or not

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q9yZWVKn1wHzh6RJ#fight=9&type=resources&spell=103&source=17

random log

disclaimer : i might be a stupid

[gentle gyro]

details has it though

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion apparently the pinned nerfs will be implemented next reset

[rocky rain]

Venomous Vim is when someone dies with rupture on

[vestal wren]

is this confirmed, could you link the source?

[potent chasm]

are you guys waiting with upgrading dom shards?

[rocky rain]

IT's not the same as venomous wounds

[placid pagoda]

Jeff Hamilton tweeted

[subtle tundra]

yea, tweet from a wow person

[vestal wren]

did he make a new tweet, because i think the one you mention was before they decided to revert it

[placid pagoda]

He’s deleted the tweets

[placid pagoda]

Oh

[thorny pond]

It’s all speculation

[placid pagoda]

So is the frost : dashing still a play?

[thorny pond]

Hard to imagine that they want that big a gap between sets tho

[austere comet]

So is there anyway to see energy back from garrote ticks then?

[thorny pond]

TBD

[placid pagoda]

Thanks

[thorny pond]

No venomous vin is all energy return from bleeds

[rocky rain]

I don't know. I only looked after you mentioned it. And it might always have been like that...

[placid pagoda]

Unsure on whether to swap back to venth

[azure bronze]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q9yZWVKn1wHzh6RJ#fight=9&type=resources&spell=103&source=17&view=events just compare this with when rupture and garrote are ticking/critting

[rocky rain]

Yeah ok you are right, that is ticks

[azure bronze]

And you just whip out the event for garrote and rupture and compare it to those times

[lone minnow]

so

obedience or doomblade

thoughts?

[azure bronze]

To see if you are truly bugged or not

[azure bronze]

Tiny toxic blade

[cyan prawn]

doomblade , except there is a major ilvl difference on your obedience legendary

and even then, it's minor

[lone minnow]

its just

what to craft at 262 ^^

I think ill stick with doom

more fun

idk

[cyan prawn]

doomblade if you're only assa

[abstract flicker]

is it better to go unholy shards 5 5 5 1 1 or we do 4 4 4 2 2?

[lavish stag]

i can finally make 3 shard sets , but can't decide if i should upgrade unholy as they might nerf it again next week fuck this shit man

[grizzled trail]

aw got sylvanas normal dagger and it sims less than my nathria one 😭

[azure bronze]

Did you sim it in OH?

[prisma perch]

hey it is only nhc but I want get back into sin can anyone give me some pointers? I am Derias https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bwd67QHja9xmN3Jc#fight=4&type=damage-done

[grizzled trail]

ye

[gentle gyro]

that seems absurdly unlikely

[vestal wren]

it probably does sim well on sub

[gentle gyro]

care to show the sim?

[grizzled trail]

sure gimme 1 sec

[vestal wren]

sub is taking more advantage of the effect, it still has good value on sin

[carmine hill]

Does anyone have 2x sylvanas dagger? Is the "bug" with using two still there and does it make it worth chasing cuz just using 1 is kind of underwhelming

[vestal wren]

sry, i don't understand the question sylent

[grizzled trail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7up1AmD5h1LY7pCDeFGbNY

oh its an 11 dps gain now lol

[gentle gyro]

what to pick, what to pick...

[carmine hill]

@vestal wren pre 9.1 ppl were saying that there was a bug related to using two sylvanas daggers because the proc chance was doubled when using two

currently, using one seems to be kinda meh

[vestal wren]

bugs from the dagger are fixed

[grand depot]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[vestal wren]

i think people overestimated the impact on assassination

[grizzled trail]

the gain im getting seems kinda low right?

yeh i must be

[vestal wren]

while its good, it needs a higher itemlevel to be worth

[carmine hill]

gotcha

[vestal wren]

in contrast to that its worth more on subtlety, as mentioned it can utilize the effect of the dagger better

[grizzled trail]

ye. havent set my sub up yet. waiting for some soul cinders

[gentle gyro]

I actually thought the dagger would be way better

[wet galleon]

With a 239haste/vers dagger in OH already the normal sylvanas dagger simmed 20dps higher for sin and like 60 for sub.

[limber lion]

Maybe, it has not been confirmed after the whole fiasco though.

[subtle tundra]

i hope there will be a blue post real soon

idk what to do for painsmith prog...

get some dps for that with the chance of getting fucked, or wait?

[low oar]

Painsmith isn't really a DPS check anyway

[limber lion]

Painsmith is not too much of a dps check

[low oar]

Jinx

[limber lion]

So don't worry about it

[limber lion]

[low oar]

It's just a "can you do mechanics" check lmao

Go play fall guys for a few hours and you got it

[spice spire]

I thought fall guys was p2 sylvanas

[strange python]

does it make sense to save soul cinders for 262 dashing instead of 262 obedience?

[subtle tundra]

there's an addon for mechanic practice apparently

[subtle tundra]

no imo

by the time you get the gear to make dashing good, you will be able to craft 2 262 leggos

[strange python]

I guess we can only decide when sims up for shards

[limber lion]

I mean

[woeful orbit]

what addon is that?

[limber lion]

I made my 262 Doomblade today

If that says something.

[spice spire]

But cev

The sims

[limber lion]

The sims say doomblade good

[spice spire]

There’s such a small difference at that point

[limber lion]

:)

[strange python]

well if u only raid thats fine but i also do some m+ and its fun with obedience/st

[spice spire]

I know, I’m making DB as well. But I’m a Necrolord heretic

[subtle tundra]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/x-practice
this is what my guild told me to use to practice, havent done it yet

[limber lion]

I just use Zoldyck for m+

[subtle tundra]

i've had great success with obedience today

[prisma cypress]

what implications do the domination set bonus nerfs have for assassination? unholy still the best? is there any scenario where higher ilvl gear outweighs a lack of the bonus?

[spice spire]

Use Zoldyck in m+ and get the execute power and you’re almost a warrior

[woeful orbit]

ty

[spice spire]

Just with more greedy defensive

[limber lion]

Pins

[strange python]

but i can use 262 for both raiding/m+ 😉 @limber lion

[limber lion]

Not like that 30 dps makes much of a difference for m+ anyways, but yeah :P

[prisma cypress]

the nerf was reverted? wtf is going on

ok never mind then

[subtle tundra]

nobody knows

can i change the stats on a leggo?

[limber lion]

No

[spice spire]

You have to draft a new one afaik

[nimble tinsel]

Craft a new one 🙂

[spice spire]

Craft even

[subtle tundra]

we:(( i gotta send soul ash from an alt now

peepo

[spice spire]

Still rocking the haste vers Zoldyck’s in m+ from 9.0

[fallen arch]

Especially with necro next week 😄

And the execute battle axe

[subtle tundra]

idk

i only take champions brand in m+

its addictive

47% crit

no way i take anything else

[limber lion]

Ï agree

Necrotic + Brand

is the way

[spice spire]

Actual apes smh

Necrotic and brand is fine

I thought you meant double brand

I was like

[subtle tundra]

i do take double brand 🙂

[thorny pond]

Brand new daddy

[spice spire]

Actual ape smh

[subtle tundra]

i've had success

[spice spire]

🦍

[ruby gust]

should we be sacrificing stats for domination pieces?

[spice spire]

I don’t like conditional powers when there’s a guarantee decent power on executioner

[thorny pond]

I’m a brand ambassador for brand. Use the promo code beach15 for 15% off your next m+

[spice spire]

Brand on incinerator is great

[bleak sun]

Simming 7k5 with 240 ilvl

[spice spire]

That seems hella low

[bleak sun]

Havent access to raid gear/ 226weapon

[austere gorge]

legendary Obedience still the BIS for sin vent?

[lone wren]

yes and no. look at logs per fight and you will see most sins run doomblade. However Obe can be bis in certain situations

[austere gorge]

so I'd better upgrade my shoulders doomblade then to 262 ? Cost wise 😄

[lone wren]

no you should recraft it specially with a huge possibility that frost set bonus will become bis in near future you want your shoulder dom socket to activate it

[subtle tundra]

you craft it on back

[austere gorge]

alright. cool! thanks for your input guys!

[stone gate]

I have t2 obedience rn, should I make t2 doomblade or t3 obedience?

[jagged osprey]

obedience is good enough for all purposes

i'd slam it to max rank if you have already spent cinders/ash on it

[stone gate]

Alright

ty

[exotic notch]

what missives for obedience? Haste/crit?

[jagged osprey]

good thing about obedience is you can just jam it on your cloak slot and use it for all types of content knowing its gonna be competitive

haste/crit if you just play Sin, haste/vers is pref if you dabble in sub

[exotic notch]

lovely ty biggus

[drifting cloud]

crit vers if you play sub

[reef cobalt]

is the sylv dagger not worth equipping twice? sim says its 10dps decrease if i get a second heroic sylv dagger compared to my 246 m+dagger with haste vers stats
i tought reading somewhere double sylv dagger would stack but not sure

[drifting cloud]

did you forget to enchant it

[reef cobalt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a8dVSY3cdhE6KKewFziTmB

[vestal wren]

it also comes down to the itemlevel of the daggers

[reef cobalt]

check this, scroll down it says 246 sylv-dagger would be decrease compared to my 246 m+ dagger with the same enchant

[long hawk]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g6RbtpW26T7GzDpj6zbdEz

with theotar

[vestal wren]

nice

close to 9k

[long hawk]

i dont like that its with theotar, i play theotar when im on sub, changing conduits will mess me up in raiding, particularly with the energy thing, I also do m+ on outlaw

[shadow tusk]

any UH set committers

[vestal wren]

you still need to keep track of your theo tea cooldown

because switching from theo removes your tea buff

[real bay]

any non setters

[woeful wigeon]

so doomblade 262 cloack yes ?

[long hawk]

Yh I dont like that at all, thats ew.

[rotund moon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vzL4FNC8wrKSVGDJDdfLNU
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vz8EquRNhLsnwFZtVhqx53
Looks like it doubles the damage on patchwerk but reduces dmg of just about everything else

[runic maple]

after the opener, shld I build up cp before using vendetta again or do I just use it asap when its up (boss mechanics aside)

[long hawk]

I usually open, with mutilate slice and dice, mutilate garrote vendetta and flag then rupture, that way the rupture instantly gives you stacks of flag

then mutilate shiv vanish evenom, mutilate evenom and so on and so forth

oh and your on use trink

this is assuming the mutilates crit btw

[rocky rain]

I vendetta after rupture

The rest looks the same

[long hawk]

if they dont crit keep spamming mutilates until you're at 4 or 5 or 6cp

depending on your talents

[woeful wigeon]

for sin what lego are we after now ? 262 cloack doomblade or anaother ?

[long hawk]

if you look at the logs everyone seems to be using doomblade

you could make obedience as well depending on your gear or build but most sin rogues are making doomblade

on 262 cloak

[woeful wigeon]

got purple set shards + red one dps + frost one dps

[long hawk]

since you cant use it on your head or you'll lose a dom shard bonus for uh

unless you dont care about unholy which is your BiS

[carmine latch]

Anyone else not getn the full use of obedience lego, I only manage to get like 20 stacks with flagellation

[ornate lake]

20 is normal for assa

[long hawk]

im usually on 22-28 if we lust on pull 28

[ornate lake]

20-25 depending on crits

[shell cloud]

20-25 somethimes 27

[limber lion]

Yeh it's pretty rng

don't worry about it

[shell cloud]

but the most 23/25

[ornate lake]

Yeah with bl you can go over 25

[limber lion]

I just had a pull where I got 20 stacks

[rocky rain]

How do you guys play kel thuzad btw? (heroic) If I go pure single target it feels gross, and if I try to dot tank adds / spikes they die by the time I dot them, and it still feels gross

[limber lion]

and it sucks

but

oh well

[long hawk]

its way better with sub

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

sub gets more consistent higher stacks, sin tents to not come close to max consistently

[long hawk]

i get the full 30 sometimes even more

as sub

[astral plover]

How long cd is ther on Party favor?

[runic maple]

my first 262 cloak will prolly be obedience as I will have to switch to sub eventuelly lel

[limber lion]

I go EP/MA/Vig/CT

[long hawk]

shadowstrike and shadowblades are crazy

[limber lion]

Just dotting everything up around you

Prioritizing the boss of course.

[long hawk]

same

[ornate lake]

Same.

[limber lion]

1 hour, lasts for 4

[woeful wigeon]

for the shards upgrade we need to power up them to have bigger buff dus it mater if you go dps one first and end with the speed or is it full 3 upgrade extra dps

[astral plover]

So its a chance to get either of the stats. i see

😄

[limber lion]

You have to upgrade all 3 at the same time

[rocky rain]

Do you just dot stuff on the boss, or do you step out to dot the tank adds as well? Also, do you garrote as well as rupture on spikes etc?

[long hawk]

the bonus scales with the levels of the gems

[limber lion]

Well you can check out my log to see what I did

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qM78GgZDCVfH4A9h#fight=31&view=rankings

[long hawk]

if theyre all the same level then the bonus will be stronger

[rocky rain]

lol I was literally just going to search for you. Thanks 😄

[ornate lake]

I did dot the tank adds

[long hawk]

oooof thats a rank 1 parse

[rocky rain]

100 parse.... okay 😄

[limber lion]

But I generally just dot everything around me up

[woeful wigeon]

@limber lion 1rank at the time on the 3 purple yes ?

[limber lion]

You upgrade everything to r2 (Dyz, Zed and Oth) then to r3, then to r4

etc

[rocky rain]

I think I start delaying CDs too much in multitarget

[long hawk]

jeez

[woeful wigeon]

bloodshard is already maxed

[long hawk]

your parses @limber lion

[rocky rain]

Do you still hit vendetta/vanish/shiv on CD even when you are about to target switch?

(yes I know I have the log... ) omw 😄

[long hawk]

this dude averaging 99, when im just barely on 91

[limber lion]

I've only done 2 boost runs, so they still need some help.

[rocky rain]

pfff first attempt was only 99. Why do we even listen to this guy

I think you've said before you don't stream. Can I see your UI somewhere? I think mine holds me back for multidotting - nameplates / messy buffs overlapping nameplates especially

[limber lion]

I stream my hc runs occasionally, but I'm not allowed to stream mythic unfortunately. Sure, give me a second.

[limber lion]

As long as I get full value out of Vendetta

Meaning that the target doesn't die in 20s

[limber lion]

Currently in raid

[rocky rain]

ty ❤️

I'll look back for a heroic run. I want to see your nameplates

[long hawk]

everyones using vigor and im here starving myself with deeper strat

[rocky rain]

Wheres your stream?

[long hawk]

Do you use CT on Soulrender for the adds? I dont see it on your bars

[spice spire]

Like forever not allowed? Or just during prog?

[woeful wigeon]

@limber lion ty for your info you 3unholy rank3 blood bek rank max and frost kor rank3 tyvm

[bleak sun]

@long hawk he is poison bomb talented (left side ui)

[long hawk]

Oh I see I've been using CT just so I can help with damage on the adds

[deft wagon]

bs/ds sims 100 better for me but feels shit to play

[long hawk]

I like it, its slower but the reward for patience and even pooling energy is worth it

[alpine latch]

Wait, Cev is using a rotation helper above his chat? Interesting..

[red plaza]

It’s trufigcd. Shows the last buttons you’ve pressed. Great for reviewing your VODs

[limber lion]

Welcome back, children.

[charred wraith]

Hello there.

[quasi venture]

tea actually exceeded my expectation from todays raid. tubbins and gubbins are the best bros aswell

[limpid plinth]

I dunno changed back to venthyr again from necro and it feels like i did much more dmg with necro in raid

[limber lion]

Yeah, I felt that way as well

and it felt a bit clunky

[limpid plinth]

Yep

[limber lion]

But I've gotten used to it already after 4 hours of raiding

[scenic meteor]

Hey, how are you doing in mythic raiding ceve?

[limber lion]

Pretty well, just killed Fatescribe today.

Logs look good.

We chillin'

[scenic meteor]

Gratz

[limber lion]

[limpid plinth]

I have mythic raid tomorrow lets hope it starts to feel better

[charred wraith]

So ive finally acquired unholy set bonus and after the raid night decided to look at the soul fragment buff and saw something like that or close to it in most of the pulls

and it seems like vendetta alligns with the windows where soul fragment isnt up at all

[scenic meteor]

I’ve still not got one unholy shard

[rotund moon]

it's up, just not that buff

look at chaos bane i think it's called, it's 15 second duration and triggers when you hit 15 stacks, removing the stacks

[balmy condor]

this dude got unholy to proc on every vendetta

wtf

[rotund moon]

fuck me you have to be lucky for that shit tho yeah

[strong tide]

do you hold any cds for chaos bane max buff on pull?

[naive obsidian]

So, is Theotar going to be used for Assa now that the tree is fully unlocked? Or we should still be using Nadja?

[charred wraith]

oh so its the opposite, it alligned perfectly naturally, sry then

[quasi venture]

next week back to nadja

[naive obsidian]

Great, thanks. Also, is there somewhere to see exactly what those enhancements are?

[hollow talon]

did they nerf the slyvanas dagger?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/74g6wwaxj4p5P4swUSPN7R

its showing as downgrade from my 233 offhand

(the normal 233 version)

[balmy condor]

normal dagger isn't good

[limber lion]

Yeah, this is the most insane thing ever

[alpine latch]

It is when your daggers suck

[carmine solstice]

still better than my 246 pvp wep

[hollow talon]

oh i see

[limber lion]

Here's my procs on our mythic Guardian kill today

[strange python]

im confused, why does bloodmallet say frost set is best?

[rotund moon]

my procs on painsmith always happen when we're running around doing nothing

[limber lion]

It's with bis gear with very high crit.

[carmine solstice]

i have 47% crit with the tea

[limber lion]

It might pull ahead if they go ahead with the domination shard nerf.

[carmine solstice]

so maybe I should try frost

[limber lion]

Def sim it

[rotund moon]

Did they fix the bug with the procs for frost set?

[carmine solstice]

but man, my UH set is rank 4, almost rank 5

now i need to save all of my embers and wait for the nunbers

sounds good

at least its not time gated

[echo cargo]

Yep

[hollow talon]

still gonna be missing like almost a month of embers for those of us who upgraded unholy early

[slim wagon]

I mean unholy is still a good buff

[hollow talon]

definitely but i sent all my embers thinking it'd be BiS whole tier

[astral plover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1L6DFnXcJtHAW2Rp/#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 @limber lion

Notice me senpai

[slim wagon]

define all your embers? Cause I have rank4 unholy set and a rank3 frost gem at the moment

[limber lion]

Good job, son. Proud of you.

[strange python]

thx for reply makes sense

[charred wraith]

actually not a single vendetta was in the chaos bane window

[limber lion]

[quasi venture]

ouff

[limber lion]

That is the most cringe thing I have ever seen

[astral plover]

Is that a thing we are supposed to do?

[slow marsh]

not yet but fixes are in the same patch as the nerfs

[limber lion]

Man has the sickest luck ever in the world

And throws in the bin

[astral plover]

are we supposed to wait with Vandetta for Chaos bbane?

[charred wraith]

well vendetta isnt off cd by 1,58 , ...ect obviously

[slow marsh]

you held for lik 6 secs in bane buff window

7 secs

[lavish lichen]

what fight is that tho?

[slow marsh]

the nine

[strange python]

i guess it depends how many vendettas you can use

[limber lion]

You can sync them together, as long as you don't miss out on a cast.

So it's safe to sync the last Vend with the last Chaos Bane

If you get full value out of both

and don't lose a cast.

[charred wraith]

for all vendettas but the first one to align in that particular case i had to reach 15 stacks later, so i couldnt really hold here anything, but ill get a wa for the buff

[carmine solstice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5iT5fgiWTszQzLDx9jGzr1

UH wins still

[limber lion]

Ah, well yeah

for Sub it's not mega giga

It's great for sin with Dashing

[wintry mica]

Wasn’t it speculated that dashing scoundrel and frost would beat unholy even before we knew about the nerfs?

[carmine solstice]

i did for assa too, still uh

[limber lion]

Yes, technically

[carmine solstice]

ohh

[limber lion]

link

It's just super buggy currently and has very high variance

So it's not really worth.

Just wait for the dom shard nerfs, if they ever come, before making any hasty decisions.

[wintry mica]

Feel like I have to wait until reset to craft a lego now to

[carmine solstice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/czKkcDU7ivG9XCNP5N5x5Y

did without dashing

so

[wintry mica]

Glad I upgraded my unholy set on Monday

[slow marsh]

yes ya boi made a mess in the disc after pushing it

[wintry mica]

I hope it doesn’t come through but it sounds like it will

[slow marsh]

it was confirmed that the nerfs were meant for reset so

[sacred isle]

Can’t speak for sin but for outlaw frost r4 performed about 30% less than it Sims today. Hopefully the fix with nerf Will make or more reliable

[slow marsh]

they are already in queue

[wintry mica]

People finally getting excited about the dom shard system and they just slap a fat nerf to all of it lol

[slow marsh]

yeah there were a bunch of changes with frost set proc stuff with the nerf patch

[nocturne geode]

just have to wait in see when its live luckily i didnt get blood or unholy till this week so i only upgraded the flat dps gems so far but if unholy is nerfed enough not to be the best i do feel for those of you who upgraded the set already

[slow marsh]

i mean it'll be fine

it's still like 400 stat even after nerf

Sub still uses it after nerfs. lots of other classes / specs will too

[nocturne geode]

yea but having blood or frost maybe move in fireing range to overtake is still wasted time

[slow marsh]

Highly doubt blood out-performs it since it's getting nerfed too

[narrow ravine]

I have 8/9 shards and have not upgraded them yet, waiting on what happens next

[slow marsh]

good idea

i mean you can safely upgrade the dps gems to rank 2 or 3 depending on how many slots you have

[nocturne geode]

easily 2 weeks of raid to catch another set up then still puts you behind where you should be

[slow marsh]

but i would for sure wait to upgrade the tertiary ones until after we see how nerfs / bug fixes play out

gives me another week to pray to rngesus for KT shoulders this week

[wintry mica]

i hope unholy set is still good mainly because it looks way cooler than frost

[nocturne geode]

also anyone else not seen a single sylv dagger drop in 3 weeks

[slow marsh]

Well

[wintry mica]

bruh im still using 220 daggers i feel your pain

[nocturne geode]

one of mine is still 220 bc hasnt dropped from m+ yet haha

[narrow ravine]

I got a 249 dagger in the vault and went with the dom socket shoulders instead... might have been a mistake

[slow marsh]

Practical application frost is better than UH in theory anyways. UH proccing during downtime is yikes. You can't control the buff unless you do some cancelaura cheese stuff but i dont think thats worth either. Frost you just do damage and blast every 20 secs and you also become a healbot rogue

[nocturne geode]

def mistake

[wintry mica]

yea ive had 6 vault options every week and never had a dagger drop either

got double korthia crit haste daggers right now lol

[nocturne geode]

my thought was blood might pull ahead for st? thoughts?

[slow marsh]

wont pull ahead for frost

[wintry mica]

if the nerfs are the same frost will almost certainly be the best for single target

[nocturne geode]

does the frost set require dashing bc currently im using obedience

[slow marsh]

no it doesn't require it after nerfs / fixes

[nocturne geode]

hmm im really interested to see

[slow marsh]

but it will likely be bis

[frosty cedar]

hello can someone clarify how dashing works, does it also give energy on regular poison damage procs not just the dot?

[slow marsh]

yes dashing makes your envenom buff also give your poisons an extra 15% chance

[nocturne geode]

not looking forward to making another cloak tho

prices still sketch lol

[slow marsh]

separately, your poison crits gen 1 energy

and it procs off of ticks on the dot as well as the damage procs of deadly

[nocturne geode]

will there be new sims posted to show the sets after nerf?

like a baseline

[wintry mica]

im sure there will be

[nocturne geode]

thx

[dawn ivy]

theyve already been done

granted thats alot of assuming done

[slow marsh]

yes new sims will get posted

we had to take the old one down due to some confusion while we wait for fixes to come through

and by we i mean not me

but whisp and koji and cev and everyone else

[wintry mica]

yea, the actual smart ones lol

[nocturne geode]

no worries i know you guys are always working it out

just wanted to check and see

[wintry mica]

hopefully they see that everyone was pissed about the nerfs and just dont do them

or tone them down

[slow marsh]

I mean I figured out the frost dashing thing and pushed whisp to look into it so sometimes I can be smart

but yes, the smart ones

[wintry mica]

yea I was more talking about myself not being one of the smart ones lol

[slow marsh]

i feel ya lol

i think they will for sure do the nerfs because they don't want the raid to be trivialized like it is

[wintry mica]

feels bad for the slower guilds though

[slow marsh]

but kind of yikes that they waited 3 weeks after release to do antyhing about it

[hollow river]

I’m pretty sure the raid will still be difficult as it is now

[idle star]

You got 3 unholy AND blood shards AND the 3 sockets for them week 1?

[nocturne geode]

im calling fake news

🙂

[quasi venture]

Maybe his week is longer then 7 days

[hollow river]

Rank 1000 guilds were still gonna have trouble with this raid IMO

[wintry mica]

i had the worst timing since i finally finished my unholy set on monday and instantly upgraded it lol

[hollow river]

Maybe not as bad as CN but ehh

[nocturne geode]

yea kinda sucks for those of us that upgraded easily 2-3 weeks to catch a 2nd set up

and then still feel behind possibly

[hollow river]

Even with the nerf it’s not that bad

[nocturne geode]

not that bad is still bad

[slow marsh]

You'll be fine

[hollow river]

It’s still a decent extra chunk of dps

[hollow river]

Nah

[placid pagoda]

91 parse on the nine HC ain’t bad is it?

[slow marsh]

Look at it this way, you have a pretty big edge on logs for parses xD

[wintry mica]

get those juicy parses in while you can

[hollow river]

It’s still gonna be an added like 8% dps or more

[wintry mica]

i got unholy set and we got an enh sham this week

[hollow river]

And everyone else will be in the same boat

[wintry mica]

so i was feelin good

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

[hollow river]

Ur not gonna be behind because of frost if it’s best IMO

[limber lion]

It's pretty good.

[slow marsh]

Indeedy solid

[placid pagoda]

Thank you

@limber lion do you pop ven and vanish on the first two or hold it until the 3rd one comes down?

[limber lion]

Use it on cooldown.

[wintry mica]

thats too long to hold

[limber lion]

So you pop it on one of the two dudes.

[placid pagoda]

I thought as much

Okay cool that’s what I was doing just multidot and nuke

[slow marsh]

yeah use it on pull for sure then about when the 3rd is coming down you should have 2nd use to pair with hero

[wintry mica]

do you dot the second boss before our after you do the opening burst?

[pine grove]

How hard does the set scale with the level of the shards? Is it worth upgrading them or upgrading the off-set DPS shards, as a general rule?

[limber lion]

You can see what I did here:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R12WZFr8bpCJ7Pmv#fight=1&type=casts&source=20&view=timeline

[wintry mica]

sets scale extremely well with level

[limber lion]

They are very, very good.

[wintry mica]

going from rank 1 to rank 2 basically doubles the effectiveness

[limber lion]

You always want to level them up in a bunch, not individually.

[dark token]

does deeper/blindside not sim as well once you have shard set bonuses/higher ilvl? still sims like 1.5% higher for me but 90% of the top logs i see arent using it even on pure ST fights

[limber lion]

You should not upgrade the off-set dps shards until you're maxed out on your set.

[dark token]

i dont have a set tho

[pine grove]

Righto. I'll hold my embers for the unholy shards then, rather than use them on the blood/frost DPS shards.

[limber lion]

Which pure ST fights?

[placid pagoda]

I have full blood set now just waiting on one Uh & one frost

[limber lion]

Also EP/Vig is just better for burst, movement and when there are multiple targets.

[wintry mica]

and just feels better to play

[quasi venture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kyaY9CJgprL8Df2G#view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 tea raid kinda solid. sadness my pi bot was on vacation today otherwise it would of been a fun hc clear.

[dark token]

yeah agreed on the burst/multiple targets but here is heroic guardian logs for example

[spice spire]

Cev what the fuck dude

[dark token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#difficulty=4&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&boss=2436

blindside 20% pickrate

[limber lion]

What's up

[limber lion]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3JgyH2MnCwd9gbmh59Qs3Q

I mean, for me it sims 82 dps higher

[spice spire]

Just looked at the log solidly built diff

[slow marsh]

You know what's up

[limber lion]

for PURE st

[spice spire]

Like do you miss?

[dark token]

yeah for me its a bit more but not much

[limber lion]

Sometimes yeah :(

[slow marsh]

Do you even get parried bro xD

[limber lion]

My Sylvanas kill is not giga

[limber lion]

wayyyyyy too much

[spice spire]

Happens to the best of us king

[slow marsh]

Na it's expected tho Cev is daddy for a reason

[spice spire]

Consistency ridiculous tho

[dark token]

unless you mostly only care about m+ in which upgrading 3 dps shards is the play since set bonus disabled

[slow marsh]

I want to know your secret for painsmith tho

tbh

[limber lion]

Correct.

For mythic or heroic?

[slow marsh]

heroic

[limber lion]

I got em both locked

I mean

Just glue yourself to the boss

[dark token]

or in me with 2 sockets i upgraded these since i have 200 shards and no sets yet https://i.imgur.com/trSKvtb.png

[limber lion]

Never leave

Do mechanics whilst you're glued to the boss 24/7

Never panic

[slow marsh]

I mean raid diff has a lot to do with it too but I can't tell where you're getting almost 2k more dps than me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TkW16RcZAhVBarwg#fight=44&type=damage-done

This was with a random pug earlier

[limber lion]

Well, it's only 1.3k more

[wintry mica]

thanks, that makes sense just doing it after the vanish burst. I was waiting until shiv fell off but that seemed too long

[limber lion]

but let's see

Well, first of all I use the Unholy set

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion ah yoh finally went back to venth

[slow marsh]

Well I like to be dramatic

[kind talon]

You can buy gloves 220

[limber lion]

Which is busted if you know how to play it right.

[slow marsh]

Ofc

[kind talon]

From deaths advance quartermaster

[slow marsh]

But that's like what 600-800 off the top?

[limber lion]

I play Necro, so you win in that department.

But yeah, idk

Practice makes perfect.

[placid pagoda]

Your raidbots link shows ur venth?

[wintry mica]

is there any trick to it other than lining up your last CD with the unholy set or do you potentially delay CDs mid fight?

[limber lion]

Yeah, I'm Venthyr currently

[charred wraith]

doesnt it stack up randomly?

[limber lion]

but I was Necro for the Painsmith kill that he's referring to.

[limber lion]

Yes it does.

[placid pagoda]

Oooooooooo

[limber lion]

No, that's about it.

But it's very hard to play around it honestly

[charred wraith]

how do you play around that

[limber lion]

When you add in intermissions, downtime, mechanics etc.

[slow marsh]

It's also not crazy worth to go out of your way to play around it as far as i know

[limber lion]

It's hard to say when you want to hold cds and when you want to blast on cooldown.

[wintry mica]

yea especially if your guild doesnt have consistent kill times

[slow marsh]

is that correct cev?

[limber lion]

Nah, just play normally

If it syncs, it syncs.

Once you're at the tippity top level, you can start doing more shenanigans

[rotund moon]

I always get panicky cause mine tends to stay at 14 till the boss is low enough that i start worrying about getting a full vendetta off

[limber lion]

But you're bound to doing a lot more mistakes than gaining from it

by delaying stuff.

[wintry mica]

yea its probably hardly worth thinking about

[limber lion]

But as a rule, I usually hold my last set of CD's for the last proc or so that I get the full 20s of value out of Vendetta before the boss dies.

with as many stacks of Unholy as possible.

even if it doesn't proc during it.

There's a lot of thinking involved

which just screws you up if you overthink it

[wintry mica]

are agility pots and sharpstones beating out phantom fire and oil now?

[arctic walrus]

overthinking is my middle name

[limber lion]

Screwing up your rotation is a bigger loss than not fully optimizing unholy windows.

[limber lion]

[limber lion]

A lot of us have been using Sharpening stones and Agi pots since day 1.

Most of us actually.

It's just more consistent and performs similarly (if not better)

[wintry mica]

well shit lol

[limber lion]

But it's super, duper marginal

like we're talking

3 dps

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

As long as you're using some sort of oil/stone and potion

you're gucci

doesn't really matter what you use

as long as you use something

:P

[slow marsh]

I wonder if it changes at all though if frost set can proc off pots at all in the future

monkahmm

[wintry mica]

ill have to do a sim, but that could turn a 99 to a 100 lol

[limber lion]

You'll have to beat me.

Best of luck, friend.

[slow marsh]

OH SNAPS

the gloves are off

[limber lion]

My heroic parses are not super duper giga because I've only done 2 boosts

haven't really done any proper runs

it's just kinda whatever comp we happen to have

[versed mica]

So earlier in the patch I simmed doomblade vs obedience and obedience was better slightly, so I made a 262 obed.
But a couple weeks later, it's now saying a 262 doomblade would beat obedience by almost 1%.
Any reason why that would be?

Getting more haste or something, etc

[hollow escarp]

gear diff

[limber lion]

Gear, shards, conduits, soulbinds, traits - everything affects your gearing choices.

[wintry mica]

nah the only 99s im getting are ilvl or normals lol, ive got some shit luck with gear

[slow marsh]

dang must be nice to get even 1 boost

xD

[scenic meteor]

How many stacks should I be getting on flaggelation? I can’t quite get it to a 1 min cooldown

[limber lion]

You shouldn't.

[slow marsh]

20-25

[limber lion]

Around 22-27 is fine.

[hollow escarp]

swap your cloak with teleport cloak and you always get 100 parses

[scenic meteor]

Oh good

[wintry mica]

bro real talk i have 100% done that

[limber lion]

Sometimes you're unlucky and only get 19-20 in your opener

and it sucks.

but oh well

[scenic meteor]

I normally get 25ish in opener I think

Can’t remember exactly

[hollow escarp]

on sub it's quite easy to get 30

or it happens quite often

[slow marsh]

yeah sub you hsould get 30 every time but this is sin channel 😄

[versed mica]

When they gonna make it possible to wear two runecarver legendaries? Lol

[scenic meteor]

I’m really enjoying obedience tho, short flaggelation is so nice

[versed mica]

MA+obed sounds good

[zenith mesa]

Got 252 Dagger and thought, Assa would now be a good thing but my rogue sims 200dps lower than outlaw ... maybe it's a stat thing? currently 900vers, 600haste 300 crit

[potent dagger]

You miss a shit ton of crits

[wintry mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gVcFpMZYCnvXdmqD#fight=21&type=summary&source=6 back when i still played my druid at the start of 9.1 100 on soulrender with wrap of unity on lol

100 ilvl***

[ruby oyster]

maybe not the right place to ask this but why is raidbots always showing domination bonus as active even if i dont have shards?? im trying to pick a vault loot and it show dps loss when i swap in shards ??

[versed mica]

Seeing how sin tends to prefer haste and crit and outlaw tends to prefer haste and vers, it makes sense

[hollow escarp]

[zenith mesa]

jep kinda wait for proper gear

[limber lion]

ilvl logs don't really say anything.

You shouldn't look at them.

[wintry mica]

well thats a meme log because i had the tele cloak on

[hollow escarp]

make sure none of them are checked in the Shards section and also disable them down in the simulation options

that's for top gear at least

[thin nexus]

Quick Question:
Are bleed damage affected by buffs/debuffs during application? I.E. Is it worth refreshing all bleeds before Vendetta falls off?

[limber lion]

No, they do not snapshot.

All bleeds work dynamically.

[wintry mica]

snapshotting basically only exists for feral now

[limber lion]

If you have bleeds on your target and you use Vendetta, the damage of your bleeds increases for the duration of Vendetta.

Once Vendetta drops, your bleeds will return to normal.

[hollow escarp]

Nightstalker does snapshot

[thin nexus]

Ok, thanks. Been a while since I checked this.

[undone summit]

if i kill sylvanas this week do i unlock the loottable for every week or just this ID ?(vault)

[wintry mica]

the only bleed optimization is not replacing any empowered bleeds like nightstalker or subterfuge garrote

[limber lion]

For every week

[undone summit]

ty!

[thin nexus]

Can you do max combo Rapture with NightStalker?

[hollow escarp]

with mfd yes

[wintry mica]

thats basically the only thing you use nightstalker for right?

[thin nexus]

Never even heard anyone mention it

[hollow escarp]

or in M+ if you have combo points from previous pack

[wintry mica]

it used to be the build in previous xpacks

[thin nexus]

And with Vanish?

[limber lion]

Vanish - Rup on single, Vanish - CT on AoE.

But we don't really play Nightstalker for most things.

You can play the cheesy NS MFD CT build in M+ with MA if you want

But that's about it.

[wintry mica]

does that actually work well or is it just for fun

[hollow escarp]

for fun

as you don't use Iron Wire

[wintry mica]

been wanting to try it but im soul ash poor

[hollow escarp]

which is a big plus for assa rogues in M+

[slow marsh]

cheesy 😄

[hollow escarp]

yea, it stinks

[slow marsh]

nananannanana

i advocate for it

[narrow ravine]

last week sucked for that whole row of talents, shades keeping you in combat between pulls never getting my restealth off

unless they all died at the same time

[wintry mica]

you could stay back and finish killing the shades without getting into combat sometimes

[cold spoke]

ayy got the dagger

[slow marsh]

yeah shades suck

[cold spoke]

timetoslap

[versed mica]

Even without frost set dashing is simming higher than obed for me wtf

Only very slightly though

[wintry mica]

dashing was already decent for ST

[slow marsh]

dashing was already barely 20 dps under doomblade before

[narrow ravine]

dashing is looking good in hecticaddcleave too

[versed mica]

How, it's only really good for st I thought

[slow marsh]

That's the main reason I was asking around it is because it's better in cleave than doomblade and many of the fights have cleave adds

you put bleeds on adds

bleeds on adds put poison on adds

then envenom boss which gives your ticking poisons on adds 15% added crit

[fallen ginkgo]

any tips on using Salvaged-Fusion Amplifier? Just on CD like old Sire or Shriekwing trinket?

[slow marsh]

yeah use on cd

[versed mica]

Well shit, that sounds more fun than doomblade or obed

[plain thistle]

on CD like sire and shirek trinket

[versed mica]

Maybe I'll try it

Esp since I tend to get into boss mechanics and don't always pool like I should. Maybe it'll be an increase for me

[slow marsh]

It's more fun than doomblade but not necessarily more fun than obed

obed gives a mini game with flag, dashing is still just same as doomblade except you want to pandemic your envenoms more if you're able to

That was my biggest reasoning for pushing it was that it gives a similar playstyle to ep/vig without having to go ep/vig

[timid talon]

I personally do hope that dashing/frost set pulls ahead

doomblade is very

[wintry mica]

unholy set looks so cool though

[slow marsh]

yeah i mean dashing is pretty much the same but i feel

nice to have something different for once

[versed mica]

Time to save up all those soul cinders again

[hollow escarp]

only the cosmetic effect

[slow marsh]

you can just rock the 235, it's 10 stat difference on cape

[versed mica]

I never made a dashing leggo, so I'd rather skip straight to 262 to save money

[slow marsh]

fair enough

[timid talon]

From the tweet yesterday, they still plan on pushing nerfs through to the set bonuses on next reset

so there's hope that 20% vs 50% makes frost better

[wintry mica]

its already not that far behind

[nocturne geode]

^

[wintry mica]

but we will see when/if it goes live

[timid talon]

It was simming pretty close for me, even without dashing

[wintry mica]

definitely dont be upgrading any shards this week

learn from my mistakes

[timid talon]

yeah im sitting on 120 just in case

[versed mica]

Tfw I maxed out the blood damage gem bc I was stupid

[slow marsh]

its currently better with dashing

[narrow ravine]

link to that tweet?

[slow marsh]

but supposedly some of the procs are buggy

[thin nexus]

Overasked Question (because I hear conflicting ideas). What is current consensus on Using Envenom on Max-1 CP ?

[placid pagoda]

162 cloak costing 180k on my realm@is disgusting

[upper wedge]

https://twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1420132378291306498 @narrow ravine

Jeff Hamilton 💙 (@JeffAHamilton)

@LyonellKeplar yeah, it should have been with resets. that's my bad, i was exhausted and just messed up/didn't indicate that.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:21 PM

[narrow ravine]

I cant even sell my cloaks, I craft them and they sit on the AH for 2 weeks with no bites

[slow marsh]

see #assassination-faq

[thin nexus]

I did, but wanted some live replies. If we only Envenom at max and I currently have max-1. Do I use Poisoned Knife to get last CP ?

[placid pagoda]

Nah

4CBP

[versed mica]

The whole crafting legendaries system blizzard made is terrible honestly

[slow marsh]

never

[placid pagoda]

or 5 with deeper

[slow marsh]

you do what faq says

and finish at max -1 😄

that's why it's in faq

people worked hard on that stuff for a reason

[thin nexus]

Oh, god. It's "less than max-1" Not "Less than max". FML

Massive brain fart on my part. Thanks for answering 😉

[slow marsh]

npnp you're good

[mental girder]

Paid 220 for mine

[upper wedge]

90k for mine

🙂

[mental girder]

grumbles

And it’s just sitting there with no legendary on it because I’m waiting for this supposed nerf that may or may not happen.

[indigo mulch]

@limber lion Should i wait for next week to upgrade my unholy gems to see if they nerf unholy and just craft dashing with frost instead of they eat the nerf? 😮

[upper wedge]

The tweet implies it's coming next reset but it doesn't happen

[drifting cloud]

that tweet is older than the revert, it doesnt mean anything

[limber lion]

Definitely.

[mental girder]

Wait till next week to select the legendary then too right?

[limber lion]

Sure

I just made mine today

With layer 12 open, it won't take long to get a second r6 legendary tbh

[slow marsh]

your dashing you mean? 😄

[limber lion]

No, Doomblade.

[indigo mulch]

??

you get like 200 soul ash if you repeat a layer 😦

[mental girder]

It’s the gold cost of the cloak more than the ash and stuff

[limber lion]

For some

Definitely not for me.

[onyx rain]

sup boiz - anything to change if unfortunately stacked with mastery? sitting at 236 ilevel but a metric ton of mastery

[mental girder]

Sure

[limber lion]

It's the timegated cinders.

[limber lion]

Don't... stack so much mastery?

idk

what to say

[onyx rain]

i mean, not intentional

[limber lion]

well

[onyx rain]

getting drops with the stat that simmed higher

[limber lion]

too bad

yeah

who cares if it's mastery heavy

You just take the big items

[onyx rain]

233 ticking sack of terror

actually does a ton of damage too

[arctic walrus]

if it sims the highest, then that's your best

doesn't matter what u have

[indigo mulch]

Does anyone actually know where the breakpoint of dashing+frost is? Like the crit. If i understand this correctly you need a shit ton of crit to make dashing viable right?

[delicate smelt]

so Doomblade is still best pick for Venthyr for raiding on 262 lego back?

[slow marsh]

its fatal flaw mostly

but about 35%

[slow marsh]

might change after nerfs

[topaz saffron]

Would I get laughed at for using a 200 Phail because I haven't seen a single one since that M+7 🥲

[delicate smelt]

still using 213 version

cant drop it

after 30 runs no Phial drop

[ebon tundra]

Finally got my first Phial this whole expansion after my 84th run in the vault today from a mythic 14

[delicate smelt]

good thing is, you can run only Plague - dagger and Phial in one dungeon 🙂

[frosty cedar]

also ring

is good right

[indigo valley]

when doing the venth opener, do you rupture even below max-1 cp?
I feel like if I dont crit that mutilate then my openers tempo is much slower

[ebon tundra]

got 2 mists daggers so pf dagger is downgrade

[delicate smelt]

yea i mean if you have 2x 220 dagger, you dont care about secondaries on Plague dagger 😄

[ebon tundra]

i suppose yeah but they are both 239

[delicate smelt]

maybe someday i will see some weapon drop from vault

[blazing island]

so bottled flayedwing toxin is till a trap in sims? or is it safe to use if its siming higher than infinitely divisible ooze?

got a higher ivl bottle but I remember reading somewhere it was a "trap"

[hollow river]

Maybe some days we’ll be able to buy dungeon and raid loot with currencies like pvp

And not depend on rng

[hollow escarp]

m+ gearing is not bad though, it's actually better than heroic raiding

[hollow river]

Ik

[delicate smelt]

i really liked Legion because you have good weapons and it was only about you and your grind

[hollow river]

I still hate rng with a passion

[delicate smelt]

crying little inside when i see prints with 250+ daggers from vault

from 9.0 vault never dropped weapon for me regardless to spec

[hollow river]

Same

[indigo mulch]

I'm so tempted to re-craft doomblade on my back 😦 But i don't wanna waste the ash on it cause i hate thorgast with a passion 😦

[limber lion]

I did it

It's a safe bet :)

for now...

[indigo mulch]

I know it is, but the torghast farm.

It makes baby jesus cry.

[limber lion]

Why do you wanna recraft it

[indigo mulch]

Got it on my gloves atm.

I never made the back one.

[limber lion]

oh

[indigo mulch]

been bouncing back and forth between sub and assa.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hArQLtvy2MUE5gQD4Fs2Rn i'm pretty tempted to re-craft it back then upgrade the stupid dom gems.

+1042 dps by recrafting it on back and upgrading the gems to rank 4.

[rapid lintel]

damn love missing out on 1k dps because i didnt rng enough

[indigo mulch]

Frost+dashing gives me less dps than running doomblade without any gems.

So i'm not entirly sure how that is ever going to beat unholy gems even if they nerf it by 50%

[hollow river]

_>

Ranked up? With a lot of crit?

[idle star]

Legion leggos all over again

[indigo mulch]

I mean yeah, i'm only at 32% crit.

[arctic walrus]

because you dont have shoulders that give you the frost set

[soft shale]

yea profile is running 43%

[hollow river]

We need to start a gofundme for this mans crit campaign

[soft shale]

i see a diff

[indigo mulch]

Ah yeah

Oh, it removed it. But yeah i'm stupid.

[hollow river]

[indigo mulch]

I forgot to add it to the sim.. -_-"

[hollow river]

No shoulders soldier

[indigo mulch]

Hell yeah.

[idle star]

If i go high crit (40%) my haste suffers greatly

Too much verse

[indigo mulch]

You don't really need as much haste once you get enough crit with dashing though.

[idle star]

Im using obedience

[indigo mulch]

Well its unholy gang for you then 😮

[idle star]

Yeh pre much. I got my rank 3 unholy set. And sylv dagget... at 232 ilvl im simming 7.7k dps

No IQD, no WF totem

[indigo mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/93mQRJcqK3Y8hQfSTfXTfD

so yeah its 100 something difference with the shoulders frost/dashing

So if the nerf comes in it will def be better D:

[rapid lintel]

nice thanks for the test

[edgy ginkgo]

would you craft an obedience cloak or a doomblade cloak for new rank 6?

[woeful glade]

Thinking emoji

My assa dashing frost set sims almost as high as my sub unholy indeed..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8WDs5vgLVnVkGA9u2e3Qr8

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9o4K8pQxZMCqkFvRwyhmDs

[slow marsh]

its almost like it's good or something 😆

[woeful glade]

And that's a r1 set too

I KNOW :p

I prefer playing assa so much more to sub that

if the difference is that little, i'm not even thinking about it, assa all the way 😛

[slow marsh]

yeah for sure

esp for mythic prog stuff

[woeful glade]

Yea it's so much more chill

[somber hill]

Is frost dog on cleave? from what im reading its looking like its a niche ST build obvioussly what sin iss good at but theres a fair bit of multi dot fights it seems, is it worth runnin Dashing/frost overe doom/unh, also is dashing only top tier with frost? or is it equally as good w unh?

[frosty cedar]

frost does aoe dmg im pretty sure

[somber hill]

im just kinda unsure whatt to do w my lego atm

[frosty cedar]

im waiting to see sims before getting dashing

[slow marsh]

frost is ST

[cosmic prism]

ok i know BS and DS sim higher but why does almost every sin run EP and Vigor, it feels a lot smoother to play but is that really worth the dps loss?

[slow marsh]

it accumulates stacks on your bleed/poison ticks so it's good in cleave in terms of allowing you to blast boss harder

but it only hits your target

[mental trout]

is the PI chart in wow-general still accurate ?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/113kqcqy9ai37c8EBUJK-sWYciqQ9Tb7ctmCy_boDKdg/edit#gid=0

that list

[slow marsh]

no it's not

it's from the initial sims but not updated for optimized stuff since raid launch

but still pretty close. yes demo locks should probs still get it

[subtle tundra]

its 3 weeks old so yea probably

[strange python]

I'm missing something I think. I just can't for the life of me get frost and dashing to Sim higher. Even with like 900+ crit without dropping too much haste.

[slow marsh]

i wouldn't worry too much about it rn

[strange python]

I mean after the expected nerfs it will probs be different but right now it's always a net negative for me

[slow marsh]

do you have the dom socket shoulders?

[strange python]

Yeah I have everything required

[frosty gyro]

Can't you just use Frost and Obedience if Dashing doesn't sim higher?

[mental trout]

i wonder after the expected nerfs whats gonna be BIS, sadly it doesn't even effect me bc i only have 2 of each... prob not even going to be able to abuse them while they are still Hot

[strange python]

All 3 sets. 5 sockets. More than enough potential crit.

Etc etc

[frosty gyro]

Like I don't think there's going to be breakpoint where Dashing suddenly skyrockets in DPS

It will just be slightly better than Obedience

[slow marsh]

yes it does

300+ dps when we checked last. we just don't know what it'll end up being after nerfs

It's just annoyingly specific

[indigo mulch]

You just need a buttload of crit to play dashing+frost though.

[strange python]

I have all that. I just can't get it to Sim better

It's odd

[obtuse robin]

the break point was like 40 % crit

[strange python]

Do you need a high level offhand too?

[obtuse robin]

and dashing starts scaling

[indigo mulch]

I mean 40% isent impossible but its pretty rough getting that amount of crit due to DR. :/

[strange python]

My offhand is still a 226

[obtuse robin]

its pretty easy actually

[wanton creek]

So frost going to bis set after nerf? Hold embers till then?

[obtuse robin]

the boes from sod are crit heavy and m+ drops a bunch

[slow marsh]

hold embers anyways

[woeful glade]

does frost assa use same conduits

[obtuse robin]

the ring from sylvas even from normal crit heavy

plus the 230 crafting

40 % should be easy

[strange python]

Wouldn't be too hard. I can get to 39 atm

[slow marsh]

This is with my current gear, just slotted in frost shoulders and UH helm cuz i dont have yet, as well as fatal flaws but you can check what it is with party favors too... it's only about 20 dps less

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fUcHWZYAQdzRjepdmWtyXn

Keep in mind the exact number tuning is going to look pretty different after nerfs. but this would be the idea if you were to do it right now, and if frost wasn't bugged on certain procs

This is also only rank 3 shards

[indigo mulch]

I'm pretty sure that frost is bugged yeah, and its losing damage from that bug.

[slow marsh]

Yes as of right now UH is still the way to go if you have it setup

[manic haven]

Guess I shouldn’t spend any embers this week? Finally got the head with sim socket, already have shoulders and boots and gloves so I can activate any shards

[slow marsh]

Correct dont spend anything

[manic haven]

Dom*

[scenic osprey]

I was running torgast 12 died so manay times that daggers went tou

[wild beacon]

blizz

[scenic osprey]

out and i only brought 1 spare dagger

and 1 one hand weapon

killed the boss using throwing knife lolol

[slow marsh]

pog

[icy ember]

does feint work on remnant or nerzuul?

[limber lion]

Yes

[icy ember]

so i should use it before the uh big ability

[idle star]

Theotar is the go this week for max dps yeh due to final soulbind?

[upper verge]

cant decide what cov to pick for my alt ;O

someone convince me pls

[indigo mulch]

Do you like foxes?

[upper verge]

no

[indigo mulch]

Do you like vampires?

[upper verge]

yes

[indigo mulch]

Do you like rotten corpes?

[idle star]

does anyone know? is Theotar the go this week due to final soulbind unlock?

[upper verge]

yes

[indigo mulch]

Do you prefer m+ or raid?

[limber lion]

Yes

This week you play Theotar

Next week we swap back to Nadja.

[idle star]

thanks

[upper verge]

mainly m+ for now

[indigo mulch]

Then you go skellyboi

[idle star]

hmmm Maim or Lethal poisons

[upper verge]

is skellyboi decent for sub aswell?

[strange python]

I hate how the tea from theotar works. The fact that you can't switch specs fucks with me

[indigo mulch]

For m+? yes I believe so. Not sure though Don't quote me on that.

Pop down two channels and you'll find out.

[idle star]

can you just redrink it for a diff buff?

[strange python]

Nah 1 hr cd

[upper verge]

thanks

[idle star]

blek

so its rng

man thats stupid

[strange python]

It's not about the stats it gives you

It's the fact that if you switch to another soulbind you lose the buff and can't drink it again for an hour

[idle star]

which is better, Wasteland Propriety or taking main/lethal poisons conduit?

[limber lion]

I mean

they are all pretty similar in output

[limber lion]

Sim it.

[idle star]

bah

[mortal pike]

I stilll havent made a 262 legendary, should I just hold off until all the shard dust settles?

ive got 3 unholy atm but

[idle star]

im going obidience 262 regardless

[drowsy hollow]

I like flagellation so anything that lets me do more of it.

If only we had Mikanikos. Perhaps in 9.2

[lilac jolt]

are you supposed to mash salvaged fusion off cd or pair with vendetta?

[spice spire]

Pair unless you miss a cast afaik

[lilac jolt]

does vendetta amplify on use trinket damage?

[spice spire]

It does not interact with trinkets at all

[idle star]

yo ucant pair it with vendetta, you are wasting too much vendetta usage

also vendetta doesnt buff its dmg

[lilac jolt]

why does pairing with vendetta matter then? and yeah, i would be holding the on use for 30 seconds but doesn't seem worthwhile then

[idle star]

yeh just use it as it comes up

it does its own work

you could say, pair every second Flag with vendetta cos that DOES buff flags dmg

[lilac jolt]

i see, since that gives vers right?

[idle star]

no because flag is an ability and vendetta buffs ALL your ability dmg, vendetta does not buff trinket dmg tho

[viscid spear]

Fatal Flaw pogger?

[limber lion]

Very much so.

[idle star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gE4MpsyWp6q4tw12ygNbUY

this is my Simmed dps WITH sylv dagger and 3 set unholy rank 3

wtf

can anyone find a problem with this sim?

[severe wasp]

Why Theo?