assassination

[marble hemlock]

oh for sure, my motivation to play m+ has dropped due to how frustrating it can be to play

[fallen arch]

[marble hemlock]

ive actually never had that happen except in these fringe cases with like painsmith balls

and even then, just casting it at ~10% hp left is enough to get the refund

it only happens on targets without a threat list

theres not a whole lot of those in m+

or raid, for that matter

[fallen arch]

Ye I guess

The most annoying part is the double charges into a target

[icy mason]

i love fleshcraft tho. door of shadows brings me no joy. fleshcraft pleases and sparkles

[fallen arch]

Which wont refund

[marble hemlock]

yeah

precise mouseover targetting has always been an important factor for assa, now even more so. but usually you didnt get punished this hard for it

[fallen arch]

I know that in actual numbers it might not be that big of a deal

[drowsy hollow]

as a necro druid, I like door sometiems

[fallen arch]

But they are like tuning and reverting left and right, while something like this remains untouched

[drowsy hollow]

I'm sure you can go get some sympathy from the WW monks

[icy mason]

nerf dom set bonuses or fix the actual game. choices choices

[fallen arch]

I mean, this is fixed

But not sbs?

[marble hemlock]

well

people fixing cosmetic issues

[fallen arch]

What kind of backwards prio lost do they have

[marble hemlock]

typically arent the same that go through spelldata or code in the game

[young nacelle]

you know when blizz does bug fixes, its never anything that actually needs fixing

[drowsy hollow]

I mean for the 3rd out of 4 weeks the covenant campaign had a huge progress stopping bug

[fallen arch]

What’s going on there?

[drowsy hollow]

Eh, WW has been bugged for their entire existence. I was being sarcastic

[icy mason]

their punchy clones have never worked correctly

[marble hemlock]

its not a coincidence that the first people approaching me to help me get the information to blizzard in more ways about the SBS bug, was people from the monk community 😛

[outer kernel]

I Read something about the shadow Set nerf we still going for it?

[marble hemlock]

its reverted, for now. im sure theyll release a more thorough explanation on what they plan on doing sometime this week

[icy mason]

frost set sims high but doesn't work properly on live

if you feel it will be fixed soon, save your embers

i'm not a doctor tho

[clear shadow]

hey guys i have a 262 back should i craft obedience or doomblade to rank 6

i also play sub in dungeons

[icy mason]

the stats gained from boosting cloak's ilvl is among the absolute lowest among all legendary slots

[lethal zodiac]

If you play both id go for obedience since you can use it for both

[strange python]

Is shadowstep usually the move on pain smith bad overlaps? Or are y’all saving doors for them?

Mythic

[lethal zodiac]

Not on your Level yet but getting there

[clear shadow]

I got one pre 9.1 and one after 9.1

phial

but i did 30 dos for shadowgrasp

[lethal zodiac]

Ive never even seen it

[noble umbra]

does the deathly shadows cheese work for assas?

[marble hemlock]

wdym bad overlaps?

[strange python]

I'm at more than 40 runs of dagger instances in general from the last couple of weeks.

No luck so far. Still rocking a single 226 and a 220 from last tier.

[fleet anchor]

No

[tacit wedge]

After 2 months of bad luck, i finally got a dagger above 200ilvl :^)

I swear one day i'll swap to outlaw just for the bigger pool of weapons

[strange python]

The entirety of last tier I saw 2 weapons. One 3 months ago and one 5 months before that. This INCLUDES raid drops.

[tacit wedge]

Agony

[strange python]

Suffice it to say. I expect that the sylv dagger will be just like the carapace one to me

A figment of players imagination

[tacit wedge]

Carapace dropped daggers?!

[strange python]

Not for me it didn't.

[granite thistle]

PF #25 coming up boys

Will this be the day i replace my 220 from last tier?

[tacit wedge]

[strong mauve]

i have no idea what shard to upgrade right now

[strange python]

I guess there's that. I traditionally always have good luck with trinkets

Well...

If I ignore the deathbringer trinket in ICC...

[tacit wedge]

That was 10 years ago

So yes, we can ignore it

[fallen arch]

Try 12 years

[viscid osprey]

so is the theotar now the meta at 54 renown for us ?

or is nadja still better ?

[noble umbra]

is normal edge of night performing bettyer than 246/252 daggers?

[timid talon]

yes

[strange python]

In your offhand yeah

[timid talon]

you'll use it in your OH over anything that isn't itself for the most part

[full tendon]

Not quite 40 but right there with ya

[frosty gyro]

I still have a 226 waist and chest :(

[ebon thorn]

is there any sims for the dom sockets?

[frosty gyro]

Yeah they're included in normal sims

[slow marsh]

Ahh yes. I remember having that trinket then immediately going into 2s and pressing KS.... Good times

[wind dune]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ne4qpXRrEXTq6nhLdDmxS frostset finally pushed me past 8k 😄 feels bad though replacing 252 shoulders for normal ones atm

[hollow river]

If I don’t get heroic shoulders or something I’ll cry

[kind veldt]

@wind dune shards got reverted unholy bis drill

Still

[frosty gyro]

yeah but the nerf is still planned

[rigid tartan]

Sylv heroic dagger or riot

[frosty gyro]

So really hold off for now

[kind veldt]

Yea.. hopefully you didn’t rank 4 it

[frosty gyro]

TBH sylv dagger isn't that big for sin

it's still not bad though

[kind veldt]

246 still 252 daggers

In OH

[frosty gyro]

but not by a crazy amount if I'm not mistaken

[keen flint]

It's very annoying that Bonespike is still bugued

Do you have any problem with it ?

Like sometime I miss hit or only one combo point if already bone spiked the target

[hollow river]

233 sylvanas dagger >/= 252 dagger

[wind dune]

already had the frost one for m+ maxed and only have the frost set / no dom helm

i dont care for unholy tbh i'm happy with frost and still doing 90+ parses did a 98% at eye actually with it

[frosty gyro]

Actually hadn't considered it I should probably break my set bonus for bek in M+

@hollow river for me a heroic sylvanas dagger sims 25 dps above a 252 OH, but a 226 sylvanas dagger sims 80 DPS under a 252 OH

[hollow river]

Guess it’s diff for everyone because it sims higher for me

[sick cairn]

any necro rogues here?

[sick scarab]

sylv normal daggers sims the same as the 239 daggers.. there is some i miss or no point getting normal version ?

[frosty gyro]

The proc isn't actually that amazing for sin it's like 2.5% damage or something

It's a lot better on sub

[sick cairn]

im simming pustules and its doing better than heirmir for patchwerk, but what I find weird is that with triple potency, it tells me to go lethal poisons, maim, and shiv conduits, im shocked that sudden fractures was taken out, should i just trust the sim?

[small nymph]

Just simmed it, but I can't make sense of it. My current chest is 229, wouldn't the 239 chest be better than the 252 neck with crit/mastery?

My current neck is 230 crit/vers with socket 🤷

[cedar lagoon]

does doomblade still bis for raid

just switched venth idk about obedience

i checked logs ppl still playing doomblade instead of obedience

[grizzled orbit]

So should I craft my 262 cloak or wait still? I'm having trouble understanding the shard fiasco from yesterday and what's changed today.

[strange python]

55 pulls on soulrender let's go to last place pull count hooooly

[tawdry sparrow]

fuck i have a hard time deciding the vault.. i got a 252 dagger, which is a huge upgrade (current dagger is 226) or a 252 crit haste ring (bis stats) i'll probably be replacing the dagger anyways for sylvanas dagger later on? what would u guys decide? weapon right?

[shy dust]

Well doomblade is preferred

As assa

[frosty gyro]

@tawdry sparrow dagger

[tawdry sparrow]

could take weeks if i get unlucky with the weapon drop anyways

[crystal blaze]

just don't take anything, if you planned to run HM tonight

[tawdry sparrow]

i'll be simming it for sure tho, but pretty sure i'll go with weapon

[crystal blaze]

if you get a dagger on sylv tonight take ring

if not take dagger

[tawdry sparrow]

oh well, gotta say.. both weapons are 226

so even if i get one dagger i can still use the 252 from vault

[crystal blaze]

well fuck this take the dagger

[thin trout]

i've gotten 4 shoulders and 2 gloves from my 10+ mythic from the vault wtf

last 2 weeks

[misty adder]

stupid question, but is there a point to have ambush on my bar? Is mutilate strictly better?

[vocal karma]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[young nacelle]

if you dont use blindside, probably not

[mortal pike]

whats the max number of embers u can get a week?

[spiral salmon]

I got a choice between salvage fusion amplifier(239 ilvl) or edge of night(233 ilvl)
not sure which is better, I have 249 & 226 daggers

[slender berry]

45-55 depending on how many mythic bosses you kill I think @mortal pike

[mortal pike]

Sheeesh okay ty

[spiral salmon]

feel like it will be easier to eventually get the guardian trinket compared to the dagger, even on normal ilvl

[misty adder]

so if im not using blindside, should i stick with ambush in my opener?

i run master assaassin in raid if that helps

[frosty gyro]

Yeah I would take the dagger

Remember that trinket drops for all DPS, so you'll be seeing it a lot

[spiral salmon]

exactly

[frosty gyro]

My guild has got like 8 M Ocular Glands at this point

[spiral salmon]

just checked droptimizer, it's +200 dps or os, heroic is +308 dps

[sick cairn]

from what i remember, its always better to muti

chances for 4 points rather than 3

[spiral salmon]

@misty adder if stealth crit chance talent is up, use mutilate for extra CP, only use ambush on blindside procs I think

what he said

[sick cairn]

if u are not using blindside

[misty adder]

even in pvp?

[sick cairn]

umm unbind ambush

[frosty gyro]

In PvP go sub

[sick cairn]

oh u can ask pvp chat

im necro so i go assa pvp

[misty adder]

i refuse to play sub

[sick cairn]

same here

[misty adder]

assassination is the only fun rogue spec for me lol

it's paced perfectly and straight forward

[idle merlin]

I got a Domina's Oozing Shiv (246 ilvl) & a Edge of Night (233 ilvl) in my vault. I've seen alot about Edge of night being on par with a 252 ilvl dagger but when I sim them my Domina's Oozing Shiv sims better? Is it possiable? 😛

[pine grove]

Yeah. I agree. I find assassination quite relaxing to play. Not so much the other two specs.

[strange python]

I think in my case the dagger would be the best option, since I got only a 223 and a 226 dagger, right? And btw. with the /simc addon do I leave the vault open and type /simc to copy the text?

I have a Phial and a razowrwing quill trinket

so the other trinket looks tempting too

[eager river]

no after opening your vault and not having looted it, your /simc will have the items added until you loot it

[strange python]

yeah I just opened the vault window and typed /simc

but do I put it in the droptimizer then or where?

[eager river]

topgear

[strange python]

oh damn, thanks 😄

[cedar lagoon]

is chaos bane still go ?

or frost one better with nerf

[eager river]

check pins

[strange python]

that's funny the sims are higher when I take the trinket instead of the 239 dagger

[south belfry]

Is Theotar gonna be better this week?

[cedar lagoon]

if u get max renown probably yes

[hearty void]

anyone have a decent WA to yell at you when you have max combo points, i think im overcapping sometimes, WA might help a lil for me

[south belfry]

Luxthos Rogue Core

[tacit wedge]

^

Luxthos rogue WA pack is franckly good

[alpine garden]

^

[heavy coral]

[wild beacon]

Relax

This week's vault winner

[solid venture]

meanwhile i get 5 dom socket slots and a dogshit ring

this game is rigged

[heavy coral]

first useful vault since 9.1

[shrewd moss]

Hey, what are the optimal stats value atm ? I think i'm running to much haste and at one point haste too much haste is useless in single target :/

[dim tide]

in which slot we wanna craft Dashing- back?

[north basin]

So our dom set nerfs simply postponed to the next week? And not completely dismissed?

[dim tide]

y

they reverted and maybe it go live next week, nobody knows

[quaint carbon]

blizzard creating content out of uncertainty, damln they so smart

[north basin]

As far as i understand wording it will go live 4 august..

[gentle gyro]

hm.....

fusion amp or second 252 weapon

[alpine garden]

What does the sim say?

[gentle gyro]

i actually should run the raid first tbh

because I know for a fact I'll get whatever slot I pick now

[wise gull]

offhand weapon dps is pretty minor

trinket is most likely the best choice

[gentle gyro]

or just take the pf trinket

[wise gull]

definitely not

lmao

[gentle gyro]

that's the 2nd time blizz gives me the wrong pf trinket

sim diff of 1 dps

[fallow estuary]

i hate the shard system so much

it gives so much power

and i'm still at 1/3 unholy

[glacial seal]

Can someone know why the frost shard pin got removed? did it become irrelevant ?

[jagged osprey]

Happy days

Finally got 239 Fusion Amp 🙂

Such a giga upgrade for me

[gusty mirage]

The dashing + frost sim one?

[glacial seal]

yes

[gusty mirage]

Kind of a long story, but it's still relevant

[glacial seal]

ok gonna dig deeper into the discord then thanks

[gusty mirage]

[primal turret]

i doubt between trinket (sims the most) sylv dagger and boots with domination socket

[gentle gyro]

clear nhc, if you don't get it from herself, dagger imo

[south belfry]

Other people cry that the shards give too much power and when they nerf it other people cry about it

Cant please anyone

[primal turret]

trinket it shit them?

[gentle gyro]

i mean I just remember it not being good, but then again shadowgrasp totem also used to be a meme

[loud brook]

no matter what I do, I can't seem to hit 8.1k dps or get even close on ST fights. like on guardian heroic for farm I wanted to see how close I could get and it was 6.3k

[gentle gyro]

you likely did the same I did, you played mechanics too cautious

aka the yellow circles

you lose quite some uptime

[loud brook]

idk maybe. I just feel like I'm going crazy trying to optimize myself and not getting even close to my max potential

[gusty mirage]

The trinket's okay at best

it's worse than a 236 phial if you'd like a reference point

[late birch]

Anyone know if SBS bug was ixed?

fxied

[gusty mirage]

I don't believe it was

nothing about our necro brethren in the latest hotfix notes

[loud brook]

here's my top gear to show my gear and my log of our most recent heroic guardian kill. I will freely admit my lack of expertise in examining my own logs and welcome any insight from anyone else
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vZfLpoZ5WNBRek9MosJ2Nm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8pMvB6htVbyNmfRX/#fight=23&type=damage-done

[glacial seal]

the sim that are linked to compared shards don't make any sense to me:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wZLaLRGyGb8WkExTEFsSP7
There are only 2 unholy shards in the "unholy sim" like the unholy bonus is never simed

[gusty mirage]

because there's an unholy in the chest for all of em

[glacial seal]

oh ok, nvm then ty

[limber lion]

Incorrect. It's showing what's changed and there's already 1 unholy equipped already.

[gentle gyro]

11.5k dps ok bud

[crystal blaze]

This is a fully geared sim

Not his actual sim

[glacial seal]

it's not someone's gear, it's sim gear

[crystal blaze]

But you need to add dashing instead of obedience with forst set right ?

[digital zodiac]

do you think its worth taking Infinitely Divisible ooze at 252? Or just farm PF for phial at 246?
Second trink isOcular gland at 239...

Seems like a bit of a waste taking Dividible ooz

[limber lion]

Ooze is fine, but again, you should sim it.

[digital zodiac]

i mean

[celest marlin]

249 Weapon (10ilvl upgrade_) vs 252(236 atm 9./12) phial trinket

[digital zodiac]

its simming the best out of vault items

but Im not sure if its wasted seeing as i could just farm PF

[sharp flower]

so, if I pick from getting a 19ilvl upgrade on dagger vs getting a 226 head that would unlock the unholy set bonus what the fuck do I pick?

[limber lion]

You have to make that decision.

[crystal blaze]

just use a gear compare sim with a phial at 236 and 246

[shut garnet]

have the shard changes already been implemented into simc

[zealous marsh]

I believe on raidbots there is an option to sim that

[gusty mirage]

I just skimmed through it, didn't look particularly close, but you did really well. Rotation looks good. Bleed uptimes could be a teeny bit better but they're both above 95% which is still really good. It's possible you just got hit with a lot of the bombs on Guardian and were forced to step away from the boss. Also you missed/parried 19% of your auto attacks which probably hurt a little bit

[zealous marsh]

Btw there should be the tab here „vault andies”

[loud brook]

thanks oxi. I dont remember getting hit by too many bombs that pull, but I can totally work on that auto attack problem. I'll try and be more aware for it

[shrewd flume]

With unholy shard set and silv dagger u should sim way more, i sim same 8.1k and i dont have any of those and i have 3 itlv gear less then u, tbh, i cannot analyze your logs righ now, but your haste look very low

[gusty mirage]

Sometimes it’s just the tank’s positioning tbh and it’s out of your hands, but don’t stress it too much. You’re doing well, the parses will come

[gentle gyro]

fight duration is also a factor

although 4:21 seems good for cds

[glacial seal]

You have way less auto then someone similar (same miss but 200 less) btw and way lss dmg for envenom

[gentle gyro]

noticed the same for my kill, hence my first assumption was lack of uptime due to bombs

[loud brook]

For sure and I agree. Thought with all gear I was able to snag id be somewhere higher than 8.1k as well. Yeah my haste is around 13% and my crit is 28

[little condor]

I also got the decanter, is it any good in aoe fights?

[loud brook]

I see, am I doing my envenoms wrong then?

[gentle gyro]

13% haste seems a bit on the low side

[loud brook]

Hmm. I do have a few pieces to adjust in favor of haste, will look into that as well then for tomorrow

[weak crescent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568240130326921256/869868261217554462/unknown.png

dude

any advices on what to take ?

[wild beacon]

Depends on your current gear really

[rare dagger]

if your current gear is o the same lvl i asume dagger will be better

[weak crescent]

dagger would be the 23 ilvl upgrade fr offhand and head wouldnt be an upgrade but has a domination socket

[reef axle]

getting the set bonus for unholy is huge though

[weak crescent]

yeah

thats what i worry about

[rare dagger]

do you have shards ready?

and rest of sockets?

[weak crescent]

only 1 shard

and no sockets

could buy 1 from khortia tho

the hands with the socket

[rare dagger]

its though call honestly

[weak crescent]

yeah haha

[rare dagger]

i wolud lean towards dagger myself tho

[weak crescent]

i m leaning towards the dagger too

[shrewd relic]

Obedience is good or Doom is better? I play Assa in raid and Sub in m+

[wild beacon]

yeah i don't think it would take too long to get a dom helm tbh

[rare dagger]

as you cannot take bonus from domination socket right away

[frosty bridge]

Theotar this week probably better for Sin too?

With the last row?

[shrewd flume]

Also if he doesn't hardcore raid is better if he takes the dagger, is just better overall

Helm choice is manly for raid

[rare dagger]

getting good daggers its always a huge boost to dps, youre right dissi

[glacial seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m9QMACF2pYXkc78z#fight=45&type=damage-done&source=97 (3s less time than you)

[late birch]

you guys ready for a really bad vault 🙂

[gloomy rose]

the legs are ok

[topaz saffron]

I wouldn't turn down a decanter

[ebon thorn]

236 phial sims better than 252 decanter

[late birch]

decanter

is dog trinket

[charred wraith]

is it common for party favors to sim lower than nadjia?

[steady glen]

assuming nerf goes thru is frost BIS even at 235/240 ivl?

[tacit bay]

Wish I had that vault, I would choose the neck.

[late birch]

already using KT neck :\

[verbal mantle]

did you sim

at least decanter is a no go for sure

[late birch]

nah not taking anything yet

first wanna run heroic today

[verbal mantle]

good choice

[late birch]

so sad seeing peoples vaults on outlaw and sub channel

sylvanas daggers and phials

in 1 vualt

:\

[verbal mantle]

it is what it is

[south belfry]

Damn Theotar sims 300 dps more for me than Nadija

Theres no way to pick the stats you get right?

[jagged osprey]

nope

so you bet your ass you'll be pulling nothing but mastery from the tea lmao

[manic quartz]

Sad rogue noises :< i allrdy got both shoulders and head with same ilvl >_> so i think trinket is the way to go but why it couldnt be phial?

[verbal mantle]

that tinket is good to equip it in both trinket slots to be able to trade, then throw it cause it's garbo

sim it

[manic quartz]

sims better than 220 phial

had 220 phial and 226 totem

[verbal mantle]

well ofc but farming a 236 phial to upgrade it will most likely be better

than the bottle

[manic quartz]

yep, but not with my luck 😄

[abstract flicker]

should i upgrade unholy gems now or frost i am a bit confused

[shut vector]

is frost setbonus already ahead unholy setbonus?

[limber lion]

After the reverted the changes back, no

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

[tardy basin]

they don't cancel this changes, they release it on next week

[plush isle]

My Luck kekw

[limber lion]

Ouch

[plush isle]

never had a weapon in the vault since the start of expansion

[strange silo]

is it worth to swap theotar this week instead of nadja or just nah?

[south belfry]

I simmed 300 dps more with theotar

[night cypress]

anyone know the specifics of how recuperator works? is it just a tick while snd is up or does it actually require snd casts

[cold spoke]

I had literally the same but far left was cloak

https://i.imgur.com/o3s78zu.png

wrong shoulders

[outer kernel]

did blizz wrote something about that necro bugg=?

[strange silo]

@south belfry wtf 300 dps? i get 45 dps :d

[grizzled trail]

So heard a rumour that the domination shards nerfs is actually meant for next week

Now I duno what to do when I actually get unholy set today lll

Rumours thank you.

[pine grove]

Believe it's just a tick while SnD is up.

[iron orchid]

if you are scared of those rumours just don't spend any more stygian ember. Anyway, if players keep complaining, blizzard could very well never pass those changes, or if they do, offer a full stygian ember refund to calm everyone

Eventhough I highly doubt that

[south belfry]

Ah shit

Thats on dungeon slice

[quasi grotto]

Have I missed that unholy set is getting a nerf?!

[south belfry]

Not live yet

[quasi grotto]

Literally spent all my embers on Sunday

[south belfry]

Probably next week or some other upcoming week

[quasi grotto]

Hopefully doesn't go through , imagine it will though

Is a bit strong

[south belfry]

I imagine it will

Yeah a bit too strong

Really good even with -50% nerf

[ashen creek]

If those changes go live that might be a net buff for assa since we have a build with frost set that’s already competitive

Relative to other specs / classes I mean

[south belfry]

Alright fixed it. About 100 dps gain with right sims

[strange silo]

ok xd i mean can u really sim the last ability? or does it just flat use 1 stat bonus?

[strange python]

I have phial 246, biggest upgrade are shoulders with Shard of Bek, but idk

[unkempt pilot]

phial will never come back i guess

so go for it

[ebon thorn]

are people making dashing scoundrel?

[jagged osprey]

scoundrel is still simming behind doomblade for me

i'm gonna stick with doomblade for ST and zoldyck for AOE

[idle star]

Wow you almost full cleared mythic?

[ocean jasper]

Those are from last 2 heroic

[burnt star]

Yep phial 252 will never returb

[abstract flicker]

whats the point in the difference of ep+vigor or bs+ds? its stats or what

[burnt star]

Meanwhile u can grab loot those kt/sylv item anytime u kill

[hollow river]

Bs/ds is stronger in pure ST fights. Like Guardian of the First Ones.

[shrewd flume]

so in case nerf goes up next week, will unholy stay the best until we get high itlvs?

[wild birch]

Why they do this after ppl spend their fucking emblems

[shrewd flume]

i dont know, but i did'nt spent any yet, just cause i know blizzard make shit decisions

[wild birch]

Would be fine if they refund all emblems and revert all shards to lvl 1

but that's never gonna happen

[lean sinew]

Yea, let then nerf it all they want, just reset the upgrades and refund the embers

but that's just dreams

[wild birch]

Which is ridiculous

[rigid pine]

Or they could just buff the other two so that they're an option. It doesn't break the game if all three are strong

[wild birch]

For assa frost and unholy are equal already

Frost even a bit better

[sterile lodge]

ass still venth?

[wild birch]

Pick whatever you like most

[misty bough]

https://i.imgur.com/fORzTho.jpeg

legit

ATTENDANT's TOKENS INC!!

[wild birch]

im just collecting pvp pieces from vault

[analog glade]

Never mind the 3% that theotar is better than Nadjia for this week?

[limber lion]

gibe shoulders :(

[astral plover]

is sylv weapon sims simming right?

[limber lion]

Yes it is.

[astral plover]

guess i wont be farming NM Sylv anymore 😛

[wise gull]

Correct enchant?

[astral plover]

y

igot sinful on main

[idle star]

You didnt spend them cos you dont have a 3 set to upgrade lets be real.

[wild birch]

I have all shards

today got the wboss one

[small island]

any https://gyazo.com/e3061ac1b1e142814259c074ea4dcc5e in chat? 😛

[cobalt flame]

3x 252 m+ vault and 1x 252 mythic raid vault and this is best item i had in vault even though i already had HC helm

[misty bough]

https://i.imgur.com/TT13nH0.png any sockets?

[rocky pecan]

sockets and not event bonus 😒

idk why link that terible thing

xd

[misty bough]

IMAGINE using set bonus outside raid

lol jk i destroyed my unholy shard

[rocky pecan]

imagine changing when ytou go out of korthia/maw/torghast /raid for jump in oribos kek

oh shit 😒

gl

[misty bough]

i mean, if u dont resocket for the frost/blood dps sockets in m+ ur kina inting

but yea, i would have the unholy set socketed but i destroyed it last week

[vestal wren]

you need this:
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/domination-socket-helper

[misty bough]

i got it now

[short ravine]

How did u destroy it?!

[misty bough]

dw

replace a socket = gone forever

was dead tired and forgot to use the thing

[short ravine]

Oh snap 😂

[vestal wren]

there are several nice ways to destroy them 😛

[short ravine]

Forgot to use the lil gem plucker

[misty bough]

🙂

[short ravine]

Can you item recovery them?

[misty bough]

no

u cant get it back

[vestal wren]

i didn't know that its lost if you don't have inventory space

[short ravine]

Can it drop again for you?

[misty bough]

i sure hope so lmfao

if it cant this games stupid af

[short ravine]

Looool

[jagged osprey]

roll on 9.2

shards of domination are a fuckin mess and waste of time

[open reef]

Those nerfs to dom sets are in game ?

[azure flare]

It's not

[vestal wren]

it should drop again to my knowlage

[vestal wren]

the addon states it is

[azure flare]

I used a chisel with full inventory today

it went to my mailbox

[rocky pecan]

Yes he can redrop don't worry

[vestal wren]

oh nice, so this was fixed

[azure flare]

yea thank god

wouldn't want to break my blood shard

🙃

[tribal mauve]

Im waiting for 6 days on GM answer because soulfire destroyed a shard instead of giving it back xD

[rocky pecan]

He will say same at all

[azure flare]

they'll tell you the same as they all said

[misty bough]

yup

[rocky pecan]

You will redrop they can't recreate

[misty bough]

hes literally gonna say fuck off and close the ticket

[azure flare]

thing is, they actually CAN recreate

[misty bough]

ofcourse they can

[azure flare]

they just don't want to set that precedence

[tribal mauve]

They did for streamers

[misty bough]

DID they tho?

send proof

[deft wagon]

Is 239 heroic dom socket boots worth taking over +15 items?

[azure flare]

yes

[misty bough]

dmg wise yes

[north basin]

Emeni this week stronger than heimir? If yes by how much?

[azure flare]

u probably wanna sim that

[golden prairie]

cant we just put blood gem in our heads to become new diablo?

🤔

[deft wagon]

the 239 dom socket doesnt sim best

[strange python]

hey guys, is there a stat priority or should i just sim and see?

[limber lion]

Sim and see. Generally haste = crit > vers > mastery for st

[pseudo hamlet]

A few things...

1. Do you have a full bonus set for the Dom Socket item? So it will be available?
2. What are the other options for the cache?
3. Could you post your sim here? I'd like to see it

[deft wagon]

It might be because i dont have the unholy socket helm yet

I enabled 3 pieces of dom socket gear and enabled 3 frost and 3 unholy shards

It says boots now

[fervent rune]

What about the 2 slots after your bonus? Do you think it will still be an upgrade over 252 m+ gear

[reef axle]

if we dont have unholy bonus, frost bonus is not far behind isnt it?

[runic maple]

ive heard we shld spam shiv, but when on low energy and cp, do we pool first?

[jagged osprey]

dont pool for shiv

just slam it

[runic maple]

slam I shall

[deft wagon]

@pseudo hamlet https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wHvNgrt5aHv6p1vExW6eHJ

[uneven hamlet]

You should pull for it before it comes off CD, if it's up don't, just slam

[spice spire]

234 ilvl - 252 shoulders and 246 helm. 226 gear with shards simmed

This was before my edge too - so add like 80 to that sim or some bs

[pseudo hamlet]

well, you still seems to miss a few items with the dom-socket to actually get the bonus

[deft wagon]

I added a dom socket shoulder aswell

doesnt seem to like that though

[pseudo hamlet]

You know you need a special item with the bonus set affix? Its not like just 3 gems will give you a bonus without it.

[deft wagon]

Yeah im lacking the unholy helm, but the shoulders that its not really seeming to like is the frost set

[cursive silo]

Well you didn’t put the frost gems

So you still don’t have a set in your sim

[deft wagon]

https://i.imgur.com/SCqK40G.png

isnt this correct?

[pseudo hamlet]

No

[cursive silo]

No

[deft wagon]

oh

xD

how do i do it then?

[pseudo hamlet]

it's the same gem lol

[deft wagon]

OH

my god

[pseudo hamlet]

Read the names.

[deft wagon]

yeah

i see it now

...

ok

Thats awkward

[pseudo hamlet]

Haha, chill. Happens sometimes 😄

[deft wagon]

so

why is blood gems simming best for me? 😄

[wind totem]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/inPEhX7ZCJFNQXoB5eXNHS

Anyone know why the set bonus is only a 90 dps increase?

most of which comes from the stats from the higher ilvl headpiece?

[violet hollow]

ahm

[deft wagon]

its not the set

right?

[violet hollow]

where is the 3rd set gem?

[deft wagon]

yeah ur using a blood gem as third

[limber lion]

welp

[violet hollow]

u got a blood shard in your boots

[cursive silo]

Show sim and did you put them at rank 1

[wind totem]

why isn't it replacing it?

i selected the 3 unholy gems

[limber lion]

Because you didn't check the "replace gems" button

Here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sGyqUhyotCrpVR4ZSTUJsd

[wind totem]

oh damn

god im an idiot

[limber lion]

that'll work once it's finished

[wind totem]

thanks

[limber lion]

Looks like a 800 dps upgrade

:)

[wind totem]

Balanced set bonus

already doing 90+ logs

[runic maple]

when I pool to envenom out of cds, do I keep pooling back up 80% before envenoming again?

[wind totem]

should go redo heroic for some easy 99s i guess lol

[limber lion]

Yes

[small island]

hc logs xd

[wind totem]

need them for boosting

[runic maple]

cool

[limber lion]

Destroy my logs

[violet hollow]

damn, that's an unlucky vault with 3 dom socket slots from m+ 😄

[limber lion]

Do you have the shoulders already?

Those are pretty nutty.

[cursive silo]

252 shoulders unlucky vault

Hm

[violet hollow]

many ppl in our raid got em already, so they can trade em anyways, could be worse tho ye

[cursive silo]

U can always just get a 252 for m+ lol

[violet hollow]

the thing is im not sure if i will play outlaw or sub in m+ in the future

picking these is hard atm^^

[cursive silo]

Play both

[violet hollow]

for sub i would need mastery tho, and switch from necro to vent

necro sub feels just so bad

[pseudo hamlet]

How are you guys using IQD trinket? It sims highest by far compared to my other option(2 other trinkets are bad).
Should I macro it with Flagellation? It has 1,5 min. CD, so it would be paired every second flag. Considering I use it on CD most of the time.
Or should I rather wait for the third Vendetta?

[cursive silo]

If you can use it on its own bind and get the WA that tells you when it gives stats

[violet hollow]

i mean it has a 3 min cd, right?

[cursive silo]

Thats the best

[violet hollow]

unless your fight is gonna take lonmg enough to get a third use of it, line it

[pseudo hamlet]

Just as another bind? Sounds fair.
So... using it on CD would be good enough(considering that I actually use it with enough HP and without stun on myself- with WA)

[cursive silo]

The problem with delaying it

Is that the later you use it the more chance you have of giving mana

[shut garnet]

ceverion sniping my fatescribe

[pseudo hamlet]

What do you mean? It's possible to "get mana" as a rogue?

[solar willow]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[cursive silo]

Gives mana to someone else

Not yourself

A low mana healer specifically

Same for the heal it can go on anyone

[pseudo hamlet]

Ouch

[frosty cedar]

dude.. i really did 30 plaguefall runs to get phial and upgrade it to 246.. then i get it 252 in vault..

[shut garnet]

first world problems

[pseudo hamlet]

That's the reason why you don't upgrade your phial immediately xd

[frosty cedar]

i should have just believed in my luck, 252 weapon first vault, 252 totem second, 252 phial third

[cerulean junco]

Ya… I don’t feel bad

[fading wigeon]

Lol screw off

[frosty cedar]

probably just gonna take legs ;_;

[gentle gyro]

not taking phial should earn you a place in hell

[fading wigeon]

Lol

[reef axle]

frost set decent when we dont have unholy? much difference?

[frosty cedar]

fuck me how was i supposed to know

[pseudo hamlet]

well, it's better than nothing, that's' for sure lol

[scarlet warren]

why not choose phial here? unless you already have a 252 version of it theres no reason not to grab it as its probably one of the best trinkets you can have for the entire tier

[frosty cedar]

yeah its just cause i already got 246 and my legs kinda suck

phial probably best just to leave trinkets fro the rest of the tier though

[umbral widget]

any softcap haste for ST Raid?

[pseudo hamlet]

nope

[spice spire]

Actually griefing holy moly

[frosty cedar]

hahahah

[spice spire]

[frosty cedar]

yeah im probably still gonna take phial even though legs sim higher

[spice spire]

How to tilt every rogue in a discord, ezzzz

[frosty cedar]

it still gives most damage per ilvl i suppose

[spice spire]

I can’t say I disagree with legs

But I also can’t say I respect the choice

Somethings you just slam.

[thorny pond]

If you don't take phial I will call the cops

[spice spire]

1 shiv
2. 252 phial in vault

[ebon thorn]

did they just implement dom socket nerf on raidbots?

[pseudo hamlet]

You will be able to replace the legs in the future(considering you will still be able to do heroic raiding and +15 dungeons)... but you won't need to replace the trinket. For me the choice is obvious 😛

[thorny pond]

read the p ins

[frosty cedar]

yea im taking phial

relax

[thorny pond]

Good boi

[sand sundial]

yo guys what leggo 262 u did? obedience or doomblade? not sure

[thorny pond]

Prob wait a week

[frosty cedar]

at least i can send this image now

[thorny pond]

tilting

[frosty cedar]

[sand sundial]

XD

i had to do +25 keys to get phial and 1 weapon

[shadow tusk]

Is frost still lookin best or do we commit to UH set

[violet hollow]

guys i thought the shard nerfs has been reverted, what did i miss?

[rocky pecan]

Proof?

[upper wedge]

Dunno. Just what I've been told from elsewhere. Something about lack of notice

[odd hazel]

Pins are proof

[upper wedge]

That settles it then

[quaint carbon]

nerf reverted so they can "announce" it and do it again

[odd hazel]

good thing i dont even have 3 unholy shards yet

i have 2 frost ones though

wait

3 actually

kek

[upper wedge]

Makes one not dare to upgrade tho

[odd hazel]

i upgraded one frost one already though so meh

so if they revert it i guess all i need is the DPS unholy one

got the blood execute/frost damaging one + the 2 other frosto nes

i mean

guess what?

rogues have support, we give people absorbs when we crit

GG

oh wait, any one can have that one

[upper wedge]

smoke bomb when

[shrewd flume]

i do have both unholy and blood since week 1 lol...

[runic maple]

is there anything we can do besides staring at the sky on tazavesh hm 1st boss when we lose our dagger and its placed in the range of the adds?

[spice spire]

Grab dagger and vanish

Pray to god social aggro isn’t there

[runic maple]

if that works then ive been doing it wrong lol

[upper wedge]

Healer aggro tends to happen in those cases i believe

[runic maple]

such a shit mechanic

literally makes u not be able to play the game lol

[upper wedge]

I'm sure you can kill the trash with the boss

[austere gorge]

hello, which slot is the best for legendary right now ?

[spice spire]

Which legendary?

Tl;dr non domination sockets

[austere gorge]

unholy

[spice spire]

Wat

[austere gorge]

i mean given i have unholy shards

[spice spire]

Which legendary though

They all have different options

[ebon thorn]

did some sims with leggo + shards

[austere gorge]

im a ventyr, so i think obedience is the BIS ?

[ebon thorn]

Unholy:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q1tAuKtqpSD3nFVcmZT51r

Blood:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/77jdcsbJa5fYhh6T33pAPK

Frost:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pojLt3nyvUfc12WfsGUWBH

with different leggos

[spice spire]

Can be, yeah. Cape in that case

[glad blaze]

Hello I grinded to 54 renown and switched to Theotar today for Party Favors. I've put Lashing Scars like i always do for Assa but the conduit seems to not work anymore i start with 1 stack after using the ability. Can someone please check if that's the case for more people?

[ebon thorn]

if the nerf goes through it seems like frost will win by 300~ dps and doomblade/dashing 30 dps ~ difference

[deft wagon]

haste vers??

[spice spire]

Old command

Haste crit usually

Vers had a higher value at the beginning of 9.0.

[steel bane]

this is awkward, I want to craft an Outlaw legendary and now have to save it for Dashing

[dim ledge]

Isn’t dashing only good on pure single target?

[novel moss]

30 dps only is a relief if it turns out that way, makes the salt burn a lil less since I have R6 DB 😛

[dim ledge]

For 30dps best to just stay doom prolly right?

[hot chasm]

So IQD usage, do you hold for it to align for 3rd vendetta or on CD?

[woeful meteor]

hold

at least sims do it that way last time i checked

[ebon thorn]

depends, its 30dps in st

might be superior over obedience in aoe as well

According to Dslice(which i know isnt the best) Doomblade goes EQUAL with dashing scoundrel in max frost sockets

obedience falling behind by 30~ dps dslice

[odd hazel]

Dslice works great for rogues

[deft wagon]

even assass?

[odd hazel]

yes

[ebon thorn]

So basically

[rotund torrent]

guys, is a good choice do 262 Cloak with Obedience to play assa ?

[ebon thorn]

@rotund torrent according to sims, doomblade would be better

[gloomy rose]

sounds kinda weird that in dslice doomblade would be better when you almost never actually mutilate in dungeons

[deft wagon]

only on tyrannical

[ebon thorn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/38sjoLv1346NzqWHJeRFVU

.6% higher in dslice

than obedience

[white igloo]

Dungeon slice has a weird add spawn scenario

[ebon thorn]

I'll probably make Doomblade then go for Celerity and play outlaw for m+

[odd hazel]

i mean, theres a reason we use it for sims in the pins

it works

follow it

[rotund torrent]

sub on dungeons isnt better than Outlaw ?

[sand sundial]

yo guys... r6 DB or Obedience? 😦

[amber sun]

im using obedience for assa right now since it also works so well with sub

[odd hazel]

Obedience is the way to go for sin in M+ if you're venthyr

[sand sundial]

i play sub and sin

[ebon thorn]

if you play sub + sin make obedience

[sand sundial]

y true

[odd hazel]

you're necro if you play sin + outlaw any way

[deft wagon]

@odd hazel If i really like doing keys when im not raiding, should i just go necro? Or am i trolling the raid team then

[odd hazel]

Theotar triple potency sin is better for keys

necro is fine though

[amber sun]

nah you are fine with necro in raiding

[deft wagon]

Theotar triple potency is better than necro for keys?

[odd hazel]

yep

[rotund torrent]

man, so many things to choose :/ im lost

[sand sundial]

hahaha

[odd hazel]

by like 30 dps

[amber sun]

i mean we are very fortunate that all our specs work well for raiding and m+

[rotund torrent]

wheres the bis? hahaha

i think ill play sin/sub and use obedience for both

doomblade isnt so far

[odd hazel]

obedience in pins is ahead of doom

by like 30 dps in ST

[rotund torrent]

so, im thinking about dungeons, im not playing sub with obedience, im using Finality

[odd hazel]

Your miles may vary though so i would sim it

[calm yew]

Anyone has some time to shimmer through our rogue's logs quickly? I feel like dps is anything but optimised but I don't have much experience with rogues unfortunately.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LjTNaJGH31wQ4AnC/#boss=2433&difficulty=5&wipes=1&type=damage-done&source=12

[oblique flare]

but it's less forgiving than doom

[odd hazel]

i mean

not really

[timid coral]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[odd hazel]

if you fuck up flag thats on you

[odd hazel]

your uptime on garrote and rupture is really bad

[manic quartz]

@limber lion Torille?

[cerulean junco]

Theotar been a troll lately. Proccing umbrella on sprint or vial 🤔

[odd hazel]

your slice and dice should be at 100%

not 94%

you wasted a LOT of combo points

[calm yew]

yeah it's not me , but a guildie :p

alright, anything else?

[odd hazel]

you also wasted a lot of energy

oof using subterfuge

his boots arent enchanted

[limber lion]

[inner temple]

damn it mods i was gonna bitch about it first!

[calm yew]

what's subterfuge?

[inner temple]

talent

[frigid wigeon]

Talent that you use in aoe situations

[odd hazel]

talent that only works when you come out of stealth

[frigid wigeon]

Hello hello, I'm a newbie and I'm checking best in slots. Wowhead gives different info than Icy Veins, I suppose I have to sim myself but I'm not quite familiar with it, how do I go about it?

[timid coral]

I'm trying to sim the different party favor buffs, I thought that adding this under my simc in advanced sim would do it but it seems like all 4 copies are using the same options... anyone know whats up?

copy="Primary" shadowlands.party_favor_type="primary" copy="Crit" shadowlands.party_favor_type="crit" copy="Haste" shadowlands.party_favor_type="haste" copy="Vers" shadowlands.party_favor_type="versatility"

[vestal wren]

this won't work

you need to use profilesets

giveme a sec

[hollow river]

They are wasting combo points like there’s no tomorrow. Very bad.

[hollow river]

Subterfuge is a talent we use in dungeons.

For the most part.

[vestal wren]

so:

profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"```

[odd hazel]

it would be good if we could actually like

[vestal wren]

this should work

[odd hazel]

reduce the CD of vanish or something

we just dont get enough usage out of it during a raid

[hollow river]

Yeah

[narrow ravine]

sounds like you want to be sub 😛

[celest marlin]

I would be happier if it was simpler

[vestal wren]

that was actually a part of the tier set deathly shadows is based on

[odd hazel]

i mean, it lets you just play what ever

[lavish lichen]

Sorry for the likely repetitive question but does being necro affect my doomblade vs dashing decision?

[odd hazel]

oh?

[merry mountain]

how do you check combo point usage on logs btw?

[odd hazel]

resource - combo points

[hollow river]

Resources

[vestal wren]

deathly shadows is based on the hfc subtlety tier set that had a cdr on vanish build in

[celest marlin]

Lashing Scars, Lethal poisons and Well placed steel or ?

[odd hazel]

lashing, lethal and WPS yeah. could also use the FoK one

[lavish lichen]

I see the pin was removed and FAQ has it below doomblade now

[celest marlin]

fok instead of whiuch one ?

[odd hazel]

WPS.

[woeful orbit]

Is there a good rule of thumb strategy for fights like The Nine, Soulrender, etc. where there is a boss + a couple of adds? I find myself doing well on ST fights but when an add or 2 is introduced (with the exception of the Eye), i fall off hard. I would assume it is just a full dot load on the adds (assuming they will live long enough) and then swap back to boss assuming adds dont need to die prio: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/area-52/backshotz#difficulty=4 , Thanks, as always, all

[celest marlin]

i dont get why nadya 3ple potency isnt viable and better then this ?

[odd hazel]

you dont get dauntless for everyone

only the first one you hit

Also, mastery buff. and the party favor buff we get now is great

[hollow river]

Theotar has Tea Time now, and also has a mastery proc from the umbrella shade soulbind

[misty bough]

https://twitter.com/Naguura/status/1420124642556190721

Naguura 💙 (@Naguura)

Shard of Domination nerfs:

• 50% Unholy
• 40% Blood
• 20% Frost

If those nerfs would've happened after first heroic/normal week I wouldn't even be mad. But now it's just really weird, kind of a huge raid dmg nerf at this point

Likes

415

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 8:51 PM

really a 50% nerf

[hollow river]

You can check what’s best in sims just saying (:

[misty bough]

mid tier

OK BLIZZARD

[odd hazel]

i mean

[misty bough]

no "i mean"

[odd hazel]

its normal for things to wait to be nerfed after mythic prog

[misty bough]

they cant do those huge major changes after world first

sure HC week

[odd hazel]

you sure can

they always do

always have

[misty bough]

they do minor adjustments

minor

[hollow river]

Ehhhh

[ebon thorn]

if that sim goes through, gl leveling your frost shards 👌

[fallen arch]

In the grand scheme of things this is minor

[hollow river]

They’ve definitely done some heavy changes before. But they were much more obviously broken interactions

[misty bough]

a 50% nerf thats gonna reduce ur dps with like 10% aint minor

but yea sure

[hollow river]

It’s not 10%

Lol

[fallen arch]

Certainly not 10%

[timid coral]

This seems to work, ty! Just wondering, is there an easy way to explain the difference between 'profileset' and 'copy=...'?

[fallen arch]

It’s more like 2-3% at max rank

[hollow river]

Idek if it’s 5% nerf to overall dps

[fallen arch]

Times 14 dps

[hollow river]

[misty bough]

I sim like 1200 more dps or some stupid shit

[hollow river]

Yeah and u won’t even lose 500 from nerf

[misty bough]

would lose 600 from nerf

[hollow river]

From what I’ve seen other people lose

[misty bough]

50%

[fallen arch]

No

[hollow river]

No

No

[misty bough]

then 50% of what?

[fallen arch]

Its not only bonus that gives you that 1200

Its also the shards themselves

[hollow river]

^^^^

[misty bough]

oh yea, you got a point there

[fallen arch]

And still, they reverted it

So calm down

[hollow river]

Oh it’s coming lol

[lavish lichen]

The set bonus only has 1 dps shard but yea

[fallen arch]

But there is for sure going to come nerfs to it

Cos its broken

[hollow river]

U should still be using the other 2 dps shards

[undone lodge]

hmmm i think i saw legendaries guide in Pinned section...now it

s gone?

[arctic venture]

Guys hello

[fallen arch]

Hello

[undone lodge]

hello Kitz

[lavish lichen]

Ofc if you have 5 sockets and all the shards…

[knotty dew]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sMgbZNMmLWuewkki3873Ko
what makes the 400 dps difference?

[vestal wren]

i hope i don't interrupt the discussion to much.
the problem is basically that the option is a global option.
This means if you use copy it will set the first option and use it for all simulation.

[arctic venture]

I really dont see my DICE 242 performancing better than my Phial 220 😦

[vestal wren]

profilesets are designed to lower the memory footprint but won't show you detailed information for each combination

it seems that they also don't suffer from the mentioned issue

[amber sun]

set bonus is 800 dps for me at rank 3

so would be 400

which is not minor imo

[gentle gyro]

hoh boy, Mort'Regar layer 12 sure hits differently

[lavish lichen]

Does Dashing Vs doomblade give you some sort of damage profile change?

[carmine hill]

According to bloodmallet, Dyz shard is about 10% of the total unholy dps gain. So if you have +1200 dps from unholy, you will likely lose about 540 dps from a 50% set bonus nerf?

[cold spoke]

anyone has a clue how to override theotar tea type

[thorny pond]

Yea. More envenom and poison damage

[limber lion]

something like that

[amber sun]

is the tea buff always the same percentage no matter if its main or secound stats?

[ebon thorn]

@knotty dew hm?

[amber sun]

got 3% agi which would be a lot more dmg gain then 3% any second stat

[lavish lichen]

Sorry I mean like would my damage be more burst vs more sustained?

[cyan prawn]

3% of any

[undone lodge]

are we still on cloaks for best legendaries, or i can just upgrade my Umbrahide gauntlets to 249? FYI i'll only be doing heroics and <15 M+ duns

[lavish lichen]

Like for example on painsmith I think burst setups are a bit better due to the intermission

[cyan prawn]

if you do heroic, you still get dom sockets, one of them being hands

[amber sun]

thats kinda shitty agi already sacles much better and i also have a ton more of it than any second stat

[cyan prawn]

the shitty part is that you can't reroll the tea

[cold spoke]

you can, after 1h

[amber sun]

ok so im not gonna log in until raid than

thanks ion

[quaint carbon]

[cold spoke]

8 minutes left on mine got few rolls left

[cyan prawn]

imagine you'd be able to just chose one specific tea

would be too consistent, huh

[amber sun]

i dont mind the randomness that much if they were better balanced

3% on all is just plain stupid

who comes up with such shit ideas

[sudden brook]

Isn't the dps difference on teas like 5 dps

[modest glen]

So do we upgrade unholy shards or wait?

[sudden brook]

Making mountains out of molehills rn

[delicate smelt]

Is there big difference in dps between the dominations sets?

[amber sun]

when i have around 1,5k agi and around 800 crit what do you think would benefit more from a 3% increase?

how can taht be 5 dps tell me?

[sudden brook]

It just is

Just telling u

U can sim the teas yourself

The dps difference is like less than 10

[undone lodge]

ah thanks, and where can i find this info?

[amber sun]

how do i sim the teas then?

i dont belive it untim i see it

[undone lodge]

ahh thanks!!

[sudden brook]

I don't have it offhand @vestal wren should have it tho

[quaint carbon]

can you take theotar tea then switch to nadjia ?

[cyan prawn]

no

[pure moth]

Supposedly no. You lose the buff when you swap

[vestal wren]

profileset."versatility"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=versatility"
profileset."crit"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=crit"
profileset."haste"+="shadowlands.party_favor_type=haste"```

[sudden brook]

There

It's legit an insignificant dps difference

[vestal wren]

just copy your gear profile to advanced, put this below -> hit sim

diffrences for subtlety are ~.3%

don't think it will be different for assassination

it also has all 4 buffs up for 25% of the time if you don't set a option

[sudden brook]

Ppl just looking to be mad at stuff

😥

[vestal wren]

damn, i can't log 100%tile, i got the wrong buff

(i am joking)

[sudden brook]

True

That's why I rank 1d eye is because I got agi

[amber sun]

really only 30 dps gain

[bold jetty]

249 phial in vault rip 😦

[amber sun]

and surprisingly vers is better for me

would not have thought that

[cyan prawn]

it's not 3% from the numerical stat

it just slaps 3% on top

[vestal wren]

its just 3% of a stat

[cyan prawn]

my crit went from 41 to 44% e.g. **on sub

[amber sun]

ahhhh

njow it makes sense

i dont know why i assumed it just increases your stat value by 3%

[quasi venture]

[vestal wren]

theo is also for this week the strongest soulbind

[nimble tartan]

its just a tea its not even nitro infused cold brew

thats why its only +10 dps difference

[sudden brook]

LOL

Yep

[vestal wren]

sims for the theo stats:
sub:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cTvbkb9yYVPDeum4ix1Zmi
sin:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9ymZBDuwitz5uPUmshU91W
outlaw:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ea99ZDaeW9Sy7xesJEbNwD

sin has every stat rly close in the tier profile too

[nimble tartan]

whats the neutral one aka ur name

how is crit -2 bro its free stat

[main blaze]

Ooh new discord icon

[quasi venture]

neutral one is just base sim, aka my char

[misty bough]

did anyone do the sims for what soulbind to use this week in raids

UwU

[vestal wren]

theo with party flav.

nadja becomes on par or slightly ahead next week

[misty bough]

tyvm

cheers

lashing, wellplaced and lethal poisons?

🙂

[quasi venture]

nah vers flag thingie sims more

so double conduit.

potency*

[cold spoke]

logging out

[civic trellis]

Lashing, WPS, and mangle i would say, but better sim yourself

[nimble tartan]

something is UP

[merry mountain]

changing soulbinds for +4 dps with a ~4dps margin of error 🚀 🆒

[misty bough]

? ):L

[quasi venture]

Just big dick sims is what it is

[misty bough]

oh is it that minor

[quasi venture]

Nah grubbins and tubbins are bros

2k dps increase just for the power of friendship

[blazing current]

I like getting Herbs when i kill stuffs

[celest marlin]

doomblade on back, crit+haste or crit+vers?

[cyan prawn]

crit/haste

[quaint carbon]

so you can take the tea, get item in bag, change soulbind and it still works

?*

ah non buff was there then few second gone

[civic trellis]

If you change soulbind the buff dissapears, but you keep the item

[vestal wren]

you lose the buff if you change to nadja or draven

[quaint carbon]

yeahh by th time i typed the buff was gone

[vestal wren]

oh lievet was faster^^

[civic trellis]

What i do is: use the buff prio the raid (1h before)

then you can switch once of cov in raid and reapply the buff

[vestal wren]

does the buff persist if you log out, i assume it does

[civic trellis]

for example, i play sub at tarra, then assa at the eye and the nine (so i need to switch cove here), then at nerzul / soulrender I reapply the buff since i play sub

Yeah it does

And the cd keeps ticking while you are logged out

[vestal wren]

so you can gamble, not sure if its worth

looking at sims above it might have some minor value on sub but not a lot on sin/outlaw

[quasi venture]

The sin value is kinda washed

[civic trellis]

Tbh i am happy to not lose the buff 😄

Thats enough for me 😛

[fallen fable]

How big is buff? How much stats we get?

[vestal wren]

party flav. is iirc ~2-3% dps

[azure bronze]

Nadija's final trait unlocks next week right ?

[subtle tundra]

yo assa poppin' wtf i was so sad last week cause spiteful

[alpine latch]

I remember my first time being #1 in damage

[vestal wren]

yes

[cyan prawn]

which dungeon overall is it?

[vestal wren]

fatal flaw is 55 renown, current weeks max is 54

[subtle tundra]

16 mists

[azure bronze]

time to use all my conduit energy for theotar this reset and next week on nadija

[vestal wren]

great system

[rigid pine]

Conduit energy

[vestal wren]

to be fair, you probably go nadja next week for sin as its on par or better than theo

so the issue of both specs having the same soulbind as their best choice is only relevant very short time

[celest marlin]

still nadja for raid this week right?

[astral plover]

im simming 150 dps more with the umbrlla dude

[alpine latch]

I believe it's nadja for ST and Theotar for m+

[vestal wren]

theo should win this week, nadja is on par or slightly better next week with fatal flaws

[alpine latch]

Been a minute since I looked at my sims though

Ah, nevermind

I was probably looking at fully unlocked

[vestal wren]

the problem is that theo unlocks its last trait this week while nadja does next week

[alpine latch]

ya

Theo you mainly just run for triple potency, right?

And the free flask?

[vestal wren]

it rly depends