assassination

[deft obsidian]

It passed with flying colours

[somber hill]

idk it could be a bug who knows

[hollow river]

Hhhahahah

[muted ridge]

Yo does anyone know how to 100% counter the knock from Remnant on mythic while using MD tactic?

[thorny pond]

Shadow step

[muted ridge]

are you guys shadowstepping to one static target or yolo on boss?

[hollow river]

Domination shard set bonuses were nerfed

[limber lion]

THE SET EFFECT NERF HAS BEEN REVERTED ON EU

[thorny pond]

I don’t ever leave boss

[harsh anchor]

You guys better take down your forum posts ranting about the "nerf"

[muted ridge]

ye ofc shadowstep

[alpine latch]

If I had to guess, someone was probably fucking around to see how to make them all "even", and it accidentally got merged into the Live repo.

[hollow river]

Pray it remains so

[muted ridge]

@thorny pond yeah but if you are outside bomb, you have to 50/50 or shadowstep to something

[limber lion]

No

[thorny pond]

Yea watch mass dispel timer

[lost mist]

i have a WA that show me the castbar of any mass dispell, easy shadowstep on boss with that (without is easy too, but...)

[limber lion]

It will go live with the weekly reset

Unfortunately.

Or not

[timid talon]

ok its reverted

[hearty basin]

ccnnn

[timid talon]

EVERYONE CALM DOWN ITS REVERTED

[pallid panther]

reverted?

[hollow river]

NA reverted?

[shrewd flume]

yes it got reverted

[dark token]

nah they probably reverted eu because it's supposed to be with reset

[strange python]

@limber lion for your pin, it's reverted on NA too.

[muted ridge]

yeah got that too, im watching it, but many times when I was outside bomb, and got knocked outside, I couldnt shadowstep back.

[strange python]

It will likely go live next week with more notice.

Most of the outrage has been on no notice

[vestal chasm]

Whats this rip dual specing? I'm about to craft obedience. Is assassin viable at all for M+? Should I do crit haste or crit vers?

[indigo mulch]

I don't get it, i don't even see any nerfs 😮

[vestal wren]

updated sims for the domination set.
keep in mind we still don't know if the frost set bugs are fixed.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wZLaLRGyGb8WkExTEFsSP7

[paper cairn]

It just got reverted

[vestal chasm]

I've red the faqs

[paper cairn]

back to 750

[alpine latch]

People are complaining that they can't min-max their tea-set buff

[solid venture]

https://twitter.com/LimitXyronic/status/1420141716687015937

Xyronic (@LimitXyronic)

nvm its reverted lol

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:59 PM

[paper cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/clowns-everywhere-clown-gif-20639873

[quasi venture]

[paper cairn]

whats going on at blizz

[solid venture]

fastest 180 in the west

[hollow talon]

i dont know how i feel about this

[quasi venture]

They waited until echo killes sylvanas to do some math

[exotic pulsar]

dual speccing works because sin wants Nadjia soulbind and sub wants Theotar soulbind. The problem, which wasn't shown in the tooltip is theotars last ability is a consumable tea that gives you a buff worth like 200 dps. The stupid thing has an hour cooldown though so if you swap off sub for sin for a fight you won't get that 200 dps back for an entire hour

so it kills dual speccing

[vestal chasm]

Oh I see. Thanks for the info. Appreciate it

[cedar star]

wait

did the nerf just get reverted

[exotic pulsar]

yes

[cedar star]

lmao

yay i get my 350 dps back

[granite thistle]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1420132378291306498

Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)

@LyonellKeplar yeah, it should have been with resets. that's my bad, i was exhausted and just messed up/didn't indicate that.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:21 PM

[quasi venture]

XD

[limber lion]

Final update to the pin

FOR NOW

😓

[oak sky]

what a day

[indigo mulch]

EU players didnt even get to feel the nerf though 😦

[hollow river]

Loooool

[heavy forge]

maybe put a warning to hold on upgrading gems for now

[limber lion]

They sure did

Memento quit their raid at 46.3% Sylvanas

[wind totem]

Was literally reading the pin when it was edited lmao

[limber lion]

because of the nerf

They were meant to kill it today

[indigo mulch]

Oh

[limber lion]

but they called it because of the nerf

[indigo mulch]

Rough, i don't even have 3 unholy sockets yet

Or the dom gear

feelsgoodman

[alpine latch]

Do we know how much Party Favors will give us in relation to flasks?

[indigo mulch]

I shouldnt complain all to much though, my first vault i get 252 dagger, the second vault i get 252 phial :/

[pseudo pilot]

if the nerfs are reverted, rogues still favor UH set?

[granite thistle]

Nerfs are in next week

they confirmed it in a tweet

[placid pagoda]

Shard nerfs just got reverted

[dark token]

all this makes me do is not spend stygia embers ever

[deft obsidian]

My biggest gripe

Spending my embers so far 😂

[hollow talon]

bro what is this horse shit

[alpine latch]

Got a link to the tweet?

[obsidian socket]

Shart nerf oh boy

[placid pagoda]

https://twitter.com/limitxyronic/status/1420141716687015937?s=21

Xyronic (@LimitXyronic)

nvm its reverted lol

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:59 PM

[granite thistle]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1420132378291306498

Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)

@LyonellKeplar yeah, it should have been with resets. that's my bad, i was exhausted and just messed up/didn't indicate that.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:21 PM

[obsidian socket]

Jump ship to frost + dashing scoundrel bois!!!

[fierce lantern]

thats not confirming it being in next week

[obsidian socket]

Kappa

[hollow talon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1420132378291306498

Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)

@LyonellKeplar yeah, it should have been with resets. that's my bad, i was exhausted and just messed up/didn't indicate that.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:21 PM

[indigo mulch]

I would love for frost + dashing to be bis.

I actually like dashing way more than i do both obe and doom :/

[fleet anchor]

So downside to them potentially reverting the hotfixes as it looks like

[obsidian socket]

I’m just looking for something new ngl

[fleet anchor]

They also reverted the "fix" to the Frost set as part of the full revert

So Frost is still fubar until they reapply

So don't use Frost 🙂

(Again)

[strange python]

Was frost fixed with the hotfix??

[deft obsidian]

Wtb full ember refund 👀😂

[fleet anchor]

It was theoretically fixed

I didn't have a chance to fully test before the revert

[icy fjord]

id wait till i get the last row for nadjia

[slow marsh]

so pretty much dont upgrade anything until next week

[icy fjord]

before going all in

[slow marsh]

which we get nadjia fatal flaws anyways

[obtuse robin]

the workers staging a walkout got these blizz folks confused

[slow marsh]

which is a big part of why frost dashing works

[icy fjord]

i have to stack to upgrade frost shards too

[indigo mulch]

With the Theoretical fix where does it place itself against unholy now that unholy is "un-nerfed".

[alpine latch]

It's more than likely only un-nerfed for a week

[indigo mulch]

When they fix it, i mean. They will fix it eventually.

[alpine latch]

I would imagine they are much closer to even now

[fleet anchor]

I guess the same as before. Possibly better in a super optimal situation but probably not practically better

Frost set is honestly pretty annoying to play with

Because of the timer

[indigo mulch]

My dashing dream is dead 😦

[deft obsidian]

They need to put forward some proper communication on it. As it has implications across the board

[fleet anchor]

And because of how it goes on a semi-random target

[indigo mulch]

Yeah

[alpine latch]

Yeah man, the dude made a mistake.. Relax.

[fleet anchor]

20s timer is too long imo

Ideally would pulse every 5s or 10s or something

[indigo mulch]

Prob, but i was looking forward playing Dashing. 😢

[azure flare]

i mean disregarding that

[hard pivot]

Lol Blizz has bigger shit going on at the moment

[azure flare]

nerfing the dom sockets isn't really the play

[indigo mulch]

Anything that speeds up the spec is nice in my opinion.

[azure flare]

certainly not after a month of investment into them with embers

if anything they should buff the bosses if they're that concerned

[alpine latch]

Oh, okay - I completely agree. If anything, buff the shit that's lagging behind, don't nerf the top performer. They just unbalanced the fights now ...

[deft obsidian]

It’s not so much the nurf and revert. Mistakes are made, it’s the nurf itself I have concerns with. As many still clearing mythic etc etc

[azure flare]

yeah same

[alpine latch]

Yeah, in that regard, I'm right there with you.

[hollow river]

So they’re still getting nerfed next week

[lone wren]

This has been such a fun day so far

[alpine latch]

I hate how games always try to nerf the top performer instead of buffing the underperformer

[fleet anchor]

However in theory

If and when these hotfixes are reverted

And if Frost turns out to be fixed

Frost is probably going to be the strongest, Dashing or not

[limber lion]

Yeh most likely

[fleet anchor]

For Assassination anyway

[limber lion]

Dashing Frost is gonna be pretty nutty though, if I may say so myself

[obtuse robin]

so keeping my unholy at desolate got it

[fleet anchor]

It seemed about 1% higher for me with my current Doomblade setup with the hotfixes applied

Assuming it worked

[lone wren]

Damn

[deft obsidian]

I don’t even mind variety of shard sets, just tilted a tad by embers

[lone wren]

That would mean with dashing it's a clear winner

[fleet anchor]

But it's really a lot of unknowns atm

[wild beacon]

yean no chance i'm investing embers at this stage

[graceful halo]

wont we always be using the 3 dps shards?

[cerulean bear]

Hey guys, which leg should i craft as venthyr assa rogue for M+ and raiding ?

[steel bane]

frost + dashing being BIS applies to every covenant ?

[alpine latch]

I hate to say it, but damn FFXIV is looking nicer and nicer. This game is turning into a shit show.

[limber lion]

I simmed it with and without Fatal Flaw

and FF just pulls it quite a bit further ahead

[hollow talon]

am i wrong that it gives guilds who cleared mythic pre nerf a rather large advantage

[slow marsh]

yep 20% crit is massive

[cobalt gyro]

trust me when i tell u the grass only looks greener

[hollow talon]

dashing frost?

[limber lion]

Yup

[hollow river]

You ain’t lying

[limber lion]

Not sure yet

[simple wadi]

Potentially not - more sets in raid probably outweights fewer but stronger sets

this week is probably a rather large advantage if the nerf happens next week

[indigo mulch]

Dashing is actually really fun to play with though. That extra energy makes the spec more fluid :c

[alpine latch]

Do you think we might see a time where we run m+ gear instead of dom sockets since sets are getting nerfed?

[quasi venture]

Agree dashing is just sexy

[cobalt gyro]

the sockets are pretty good on their own

[alpine latch]

Are they?

[echo geyser]

dont u have to play BS/deeper tho, so its already offset by that

[cobalt gyro]

free damage/absorbs/etc

[alpine latch]

I haven't even seen what the play is for m+ in terms of gems

[shy dust]

No lol.

[cobalt gyro]

the frost shards are crazy

[lost dock]

Do you guys stack higher crit for running dashing ?

[shy dust]

Never

[real pewter]

Holy shit frost is absolutely annihilating unholy now

[pseudo pilot]

how are you simming prechanges already

[slow marsh]

don't downgrade to stack crit. that being said crit is higher value when running frost set

[real pewter]

It's not prechanges, changes already happened

[hollow river]

Raidbots implemented already

[pseudo pilot]

ok changes happened in raidbots just not live

[hollow talon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r7odofAmwM47WwivJ9uPSG

dashing scoundrel looking prety strong for me (venth)

[safe barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tFJbd3KhpvFvDYmhvtB8Vf

[hollow river]

Oh they happened in live too

[safe barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h1YL9s984S6YB9pXiTazFw

this is so weird

[pseudo pilot]

no they just said its reverted didnt they?

[cerulean bear]

obedience or Doomblade for M+ and raiding ?

[hollow river]

Yeah but it still happened

[real pewter]

They definitely happened live

All of our raider's unholy dps is waaaay lower

cut in half

[indigo mulch]

But dude, didnt they just reveret the Unholy change?

I'm confused.

[real pewter]

According to who/

[hollow river]

Yes

[hollow talon]

they reverted it, but its still planned for next reset

[split cape]

they did

[hollow river]

They reverted it

[hollow talon]

they only reverted it because they released it without notice

[lone wren]

Ffs

[pseudo pilot]

so nothing has changed yet on live...

[lone wren]

At this point might as well leave it

[limber lion]

Doubt it.

[obtuse robin]

is that tweet from jeff gone?

[halcyon zealot]

things DID change, they are back to how they were previously for the time being though.

[alpine latch]

Okay, so - I already have a rank 6 Obedience cloak. Now I guess I need a rank 6 Dashing?

I liked Dashing more anyway, so cool I guess?

[hollow river]

I’d wait

[indigo mulch]

I'd wait aswell tbh.

[alpine latch]

I mean, I'm 3 weeks away from making it

[hollow river]

For them to optimize sims next week

Ah ok

[alpine latch]

Oh, I know

[indigo mulch]

I still havent crafted my rank 5 one :X

[alpine latch]

I'm just trying to get a plan in my head

[lone wren]

Roll 20 alts just so you can funnel cinders to your main cause nonstop changes

[alpine latch]

I'll sim it all before I do it, lol

[hollow river]

Obviously you see now how fast things can change

[frosty cedar]

im so glad I have 8 alts

[steel bane]

can you even transfer cinder?

[hollow river]

No

[halcyon zealot]

no

[graceful halo]

if i havent made rank6 doomblade, should i wait? is frost looking that strong?

[lone wren]

I'd wait on spending cinders

[alpine latch]

I only made Obedience because it was a one size fits all thing. I can run it for m+ and raid and it's obnoxiously close to BiS

[lone wren]

I haven't spent mine yet at all. Waiting for things to settle down a bit

[proven moth]

Me too, doom rank 6 sims higher that ove so I'm confused :v

[halcyon zealot]

i made r6 doom with 0 hesitation tbh

[deft obsidian]

Same

[alpine latch]

For me, it was within 30 DPS for Obe/Doomblade. I went Obe because it works in m+ too

I'm an AotC raider that MIGHT kill Painsmith in Mythic

Getting my best overall one was more important than squeaking out an extra 30 DPS

[proven moth]

Puggig or not?

[wise gull]

is raidbots reverted?

[ebon notch]

they reverted already hahaha

i joined a boost run and 30 mins in the nerf hits

we spend 1.5 hours hitting our heads against a wall

then they revert

cba

[indigo mulch]

From what i've understood so far is that those unholy nerfs are coming but just not yet from what i understood right?

[hollow talon]

yes they went out accidentally this week

[halcyon zealot]

yes, they are planned to go live.

[hollow talon]

supposed to be happening next week with reset

[indigo mulch]

I mean just sit tight on your embers then

ezclap

[hollow talon]

yes but some of us spent them already this week

or last week

[hollow river]

No way they refund either

They didn’t refund our soul ash for wasted legendaries thanks to new system

[still elm]

you're able to get 55 renown this week right?

[frosty cedar]

seems a bit strange to nerf after prog already began

[hollow river]

54

[ebon notch]

https://i.imgur.com/qgJwcIX.png

i gotchu fam

[lone wren]

That's the price you pay for 99% parses first week of raid

[hollow river]

[hollow talon]

It's horrible for guilds who haven't killed slyvana yet so like... 99% of guilds

[hollow river]

Nah

[lone wren]

You guys remember infinite stars?

And echoing void?

[hollow talon]

No corruption talk pls

I'm getting PTSD

[lone wren]

First 2 weeks of raid...yeah ..this is tame in comparison

[polar cape]

rip echoing void still miss you

[indigo mulch]

pls no

[lone wren]

I mean they have got to be doing this on purpose

[alpine latch]

Man, massively stacking Haste made so many specs fun. I miss those days 😢

[hollow river]

They should have just buffed boss health

And let us blast

[lone wren]

There is no way anyone there is stupid enough not to have seen this coming at blizzard

They repeat the same pattern of "mistakes" then correct them every tier

[hollow talon]

I mean have you seen the news lately

None of this is surprising lol

[halcyon zealot]

yooo week one 475 EV

never forget

[hollow river]

SBS still bugged for NA isn’t it

[lone wren]

Life is bugged in NA still let alone SBS

[somber hill]

is there a specified bis party favors for theotar?

[hollow river]

There will probably be a drop menu added to sims for this I’d expect

[real pewter]

Did they confirm the changes are coming through next week? I wanna know if I should just upgrade frost stuff

[vestal chasm]

Is it worth getting crit verse on obedience if I want to dual spec? Or is that just dumb and get finality eventually for other spec

[limber lion]

Probs Crit/Haste, but most likely doesn't matter

It's under 50 dps

[obtuse robin]

well the bis would be agility

no?

[limber lion]

Yes, crit/vers is perfect.

[hollow river]

I wouldn’t upgrade anything until after changes are made and the Community Figures work out what’s best

[real pewter]

Depressing

Kk

[vestal chasm]

Thank you

[forest shoal]

Anyone have a Theotar soulbind pic to share?

[hollow river]

What’ll you give me for it?

[forest shoal]

This D

[hollow river]

Oof

[forest shoal]

It's worth 1000 words

[slow marsh]

Dang do you work for blizzard or what

[forest shoal]

srsly tho, a heartfelt thx would be my best offer

[hollow river]

Gonna be a hard no on that pal

[forest shoal]

lol yeah, figured cube crawl language would spark the reference

[still elm]

lmao ill take a pic too if you're sending em

[hollow river]

I’m not at the computer rn anyway lol

[inner pier]

@rigid mango So is vulpera finally bis or what?

[rigid mango]

always bro

[hollow river]

Never

[inner pier]

as it should be, 50% dps gains

[upbeat needle]

Anyone know roughly what the DPS difference between a rank 1 and rank 6 leggo is?

[hollow river]

Sim yourself

[obtuse robin]

when u drink ur party favors tea and get vers

[hollow river]

Different for everyone

[hollow river]

That damage reduction and healing buff tho

[vestal chasm]

so theotar with this tea consumable is best now?

[obtuse robin]

for this week prolly

[neon cloak]

our wow days are counted

[hollow talon]

No mine still sims lower

[hollow river]

Sim

[hollow talon]

Naidja still better for me

[hollow river]

Your

Selves

Pls

[vestal chasm]

ok

[hollow talon]

Even with theotar last row

[summer tide]

Are you saying we should sim ourselves

[alpine latch]

IS there ever a reason to use Light Movement over Patchwerk? What's the different in those Sims and are those types of things ever even updated?

[hollow river]

Everyday

Even if nothing has changed for you and your gear

Just look at your big gamer dps (:

[hollow river]

Adds down time to the sim

[nocturne hawk]

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffAHamilton/status/1420132378291306498

Jeff Hamilton (@JeffAHamilton)

@LyonellKeplar yeah, it should have been with resets. that's my bad, i was exhausted and just messed up/didn't indicate that.

Twitter · Jul 27, 2021, 9:21 PM

[zinc frost]

252 phial from vault. So longggggg PF

[obtuse robin]

what buff does the sim use to sim party favors

[hollow river]

Gratz

Pray for my vault

I hope it’s fat

[alpine latch]

Do you know how much?

[hollow river]

Nope

Try a light moment sim

And check all the info

Go to the HTML report

And you can see how much

In the APL

[simple wadi]

It actually uses all 4 for like 25% of the time, so as to model an average tea outcome

[obtuse robin]

i c

[arctic hare]

10 DKP TO YOU!

[obtuse robin]

all this complaining about party favors meanwhile nerco boys r pissed

[prisma perch]

is m+ 121 or 221?

[upbeat needle]

How do I sim different leggos if I don't have em made?

[slim jay]

there is an option above the gear to add all the legos at the different ilvls to your sim pool

[novel arrow]

Cna someone explain the unholy 3 set sims to me. I put in my 3 set bonus. As in I put in my 3 gems. and I'm simming for like 100 dps higher

is that normal?

[limber lion]

It is a set effect you get from equipping your domination helmet and 3 unholy shards.

[grizzled orbit]

Should I wait to craft my 262 doomblade cloak at this point? I have 2 dom socket pieces and no good shards.

[limber lion]

You get the effect that's on the helmet.

[limber lion]

Yes.

[slim jay]

so if this change goes through will we still want heroic dom socket gear over our max m+ cache gear?

[idle star]

I got sylv dagger and my simmed dps hasnt gone up at all

[novel arrow]

oh do I have to check the box in raid buffs?

[spiral warren]

Huh, I sim higher now as Sub in ST than Sin. Is that weird? It's like a 400 dps difference.

[echo geyser]

sub was always better than sin

[spiral warren]

Well I guess that's fine by me. AoE is easier in raids as sub I feel.

[prisma perch]

do we play master poisoner or elab on m+?

[vestal chasm]

Ok I'm super confused. Should we all be waiting to craft any lego? I was going in today thinking I am crafting a 262 obedience.

[spiral warren]

Elab

[hollow talon]

probably wait

i made 262 obe and i kinda regret it

willprobably farm up for a dashing now

[quasi venture]

Frost scoundrel GANG

[limber lion]

You definitely should wait

[fossil kiln]

what potions are you guys using for sin and sub btw?

[limber lion]

If the set nerfs go live, a lot of things will change.

[limber lion]

Spectral Agi for both

[fossil kiln]

thanks

[rapid lintel]

what is elab?

[limber lion]

Elaborate Planning

A talent.

[quasi venture]

The little glimmer of hope that scoundrel Will be ”ok” with frost is gonna be enough for me to just yolo craft scoundrel tmrw and i Will regret it

[rapid lintel]

thanks

[nocturne hawk]

Dude said it was supposed to be live with resets, they're probably just waiting a week now

[spare flame]

So is it fair to say we have no idea whats happening with shards and everyone should chill until theres anything official or do we know anything

[obtuse robin]

an employie saying he is exhausted

monka

[nocturne hawk]

lmao

[deft obsidian]

Yeh essentially hold your cinders and embers until this blows over

[fossil kiln]

and do we still use oils or sharp stones?

im sure the difference is minimal but im restocking so figured id double check

[rapid lintel]

^

[real bay]

stone no rng

[fading wigeon]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[limber lion]

Stones for consistency, but you can sim it if you want.

Stones+agi pot sims the highest for me personally anyways

[indigo mulch]

Ugh

I really hate that we don't know if they are nerfing unholy or not 😦

now i have to sit another week on my cinders :c

[arctic hare]

Just, get more

Then you can sit another week on MORE cinders

[indigo mulch]

True!

[hollow river]

Pretty positive they are

[indigo mulch]

The more the merrier right?

[arctic hare]

indeed lol

I haven't been doing my weekly torghast like I've been supposed to

[indigo mulch]

Chorgast and Korthia is the greatest.

[hollow river]

Me neither

[arctic hare]

idm korthia, exxxcept for that one stupid quest that makes you get the razorspine spine?

[hollow river]

Just been u locking each new wing

[arctic hare]

Hated that one lol

I haven't been able to do a 10 yet

Rn i'm workin on making a 235 zoldyck

[hollow river]

Do them with a group

I’ve got 12s unlocked

[arctic hare]

Ew, people lol

But yeah, I'll probably have to resort to that

[hollow river]

Hahaha

Yeah they get rough by yourself

[arctic hare]

Yeah, the run I did this morning I started off with the legendary Shadowstep one

[tribal marsh]

Did something happen to shards today I saw raidbots bot yell somewhere

[arctic hare]

the one where if you shadowstep, it gives 400% increased dmg to finishers

[hollow river]

Yeah they were nerfed by 50%

Then reverted to normal

[arctic hare]

Lol

[hollow river]

Nerf is planned for next reset

[indigo mulch]

??

Noone knows that for sure.

😒

[arctic hare]

Its understandable though, aren't they like, super powerful?

[tribal marsh]

Thank you exactly what I was asking for

[hollow river]

I think we do...?

[indigo mulch]

No one has confirmed it :c

[hollow river]

Did you not see the devs tweet?

[dull osprey]

What abilities trigger the "helpful spells and abilities" UH gem?

[arctic hare]

I've tested it a bit

its basically any self buff, so slicendice, evasion, etc.

[dull osprey]

Oh sweet. Glad sin doesn't use snd more than once anymore XD

[arctic hare]

hahaha

[dull osprey]

oh wait

Feint

[arctic hare]

Yup

[dull osprey]

EZ

[arctic hare]

evasion, feint, the self heal, etc.

[deft obsidian]

Vial, Sprint etc

Basically loads of spells

[arctic hare]

pretty much

[dull osprey]

I run elusiveness so I'm constantly slamming that

and that list is more than I was thinking. I was worried it was legit out vial

[arctic hare]

Yeah lol

its why its one of the BIS for healers

Well, hot healers anyways

Just imagine, a REsto druid with that one

[dull osprey]

does it count as the healer's damage or the target's?

[arctic hare]

hmm

one sec

Gotta read the description again

[rapid lintel]

these legendaries suck bro

[arctic hare]

So, afaik, it HELPFUL spells

Actually

I mean, it counts for my own dmg, so, I'd have to find out from another healer, I got no clue

[mint narwhal]

!opener

[rapid lintel]

dashing scoundrel simming higher for anyone?

[safe barn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h1YL9s984S6YB9pXiTazFw

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uD2cuqvFMVgufKYy5inrJB

[arctic hare]

Whats that do again?

[safe barn]

same gear

blizzard is nuts

[uneven hamlet]

Lol

Indie game dev guys

[safe barn]

thats the nerf and reverse

[hollow river]

@limber lion

i remember you telling me IQD was BiS for sin for certain covenant, but i'm wondering if that holds true in comparison to fusion amp

[short ravine]

Fusion amp is fire on CD right? As long as u get full 20 secs out of it

[hollow river]

yeah

[tidal gorge]

Indeed, they are a multi-dollar company

[short ravine]

It does a fair amount more in the opener to be honest since it crits for both master assassin and gemstone (if necro)

[limber lion]

Would have to sim that.

[unborn root]

I'm torn. Got Sylvanas dagger in my vault but also 252 crit/vers bracers

[short ravine]

Syl dagger at hc?

[unborn root]

yeah

[short ravine]

Pretty sure that shit is bis in off hand for single target

[unborn root]

it is

[manic haven]

Bruh dagger easy surely

[arctic hare]

Why is it not bis for both hands?

[unborn root]

but sylvanas is really easy to kill

[short ravine]

Take the dagger

[unborn root]

we've had it on farm since week 2

[manic haven]

How many have you seen drop?

[unborn root]

0

[manic haven]

Quick maths

[short ravine]

To be fair take bracers

[unborn root]

we do a heroic sale tomorrow and see if it drops

[short ravine]

Although dude... Tarague drops bracers aswel

[manic haven]

Maybe clear heroic in that case and don’t take form vault herb

[unborn root]

not picking anything in vault rn

[manic haven]

Yet*

[short ravine]

!

[unborn root]

Oh you're right

ok ez pick

[short ravine]

Go dagger

[void pecan]

I got dog shit from vault this week

[short ravine]

Meh

Vault is wank just think of it as bonus

Do u have to have killed aylv hc for the daggers to be in ur vault loot table?

[unborn root]

I lied, bracers were haste vers

but yeah, still ez dagger im p sure

BiS offhand for all 3 specs

[arctic hare]

Why is it only BIS for offhand?

[unborn root]

because you get a 252 mh dagger

and weapon DPS >>>>> everything else

[arctic hare]

What if you get a 259?

[unborn root]

I think sub uses 2 sylvanas daggers no matter what though

[short ravine]

Are these bones pike nerfs gna get sorted any time soon?!

[unborn root]

Are you trolling?

[arctic hare]

I am NOT, trolling lol

[unborn root]

obviously teh mythic sylvanas dagger is bis

[arctic hare]

Figured

But heyyyy, ya never know lol

[unborn root]

but people arent going to get mythic daggers for a v long time

[arctic hare]

Actually, I wanna see how much stronger the buff is

[unborn root]

there are sims in the pins

or the faq channel

that break it down

[short ravine]

Bugs*

[arctic hare]

no no, I mean like how much dmg lol

[timid talon]

Is there a custom APL thing for theotar's tea time?

[arctic hare]

Oh wow, 2.032k

Thats a pretty ridiculous buff

[short ravine]

What was buffed?

[arctic hare]

not buff, god

increase over normal dagger I mean

My brain is dead today, i don't know why

[unborn root]

Even like

normal sylv dagger in the offhand

is a p big boost

[arctic hare]

heh, I only got 220 daggers, so I'd definitely equip it in main

[short ravine]

With mutilate being a double wepon attack are off hand weapons more important to us than standard melee?

[frosty cedar]

this is good news if frost is only getting nerfed by 17% compared to the others. are we the best frost users in the game with our high frequency, low damage crit dot procs + melees?

or is another spec better?

[cyan kite]

never seen such a wide spread .. only diff between the two is crit vs haste enchant on one ring

[limber lion]

Are you using IQD as your trinket?

[cyan kite]

Yes

[limber lion]

Well that explains it.

[cyan kite]

It gives me the wrong stat if I get too much haste?

[limber lion]

Yes.

It wants to have crit as your highest stat

[cyan kite]

The return of breakpoints

[limber lion]

And that single enchant will push it as your highest

[wanton path]

so theotard this week then back to nadj next week for assa?

[cyan kite]

Cev on that galaxy brain shit.. thanks man

[limber lion]

:')

[limber lion]

Correct

[slim pebble]

The answer is to always sim yourself but.. I just came back after a 2 month hiatus and I dont have a single dom slot item. I still gotta take the dagger right?

[limber lion]

Yes

[native silo]

nerf is reverted but coming next week anyway??? so we going frost or naw??

[cyan kite]

I equipped what it said, and crit is my highest stat, but IQD still giving me haste

[shell ivy]

Am I correct that the Tea from Theo is random?

[limber lion]

Yes

[shell ivy]

Thank you 🙂

[limber lion]

We don't know yet

[limber lion]

It gives you either your highest stat or your second highest stat

During lust it always gives you your highest stat with a longer duration on top.

[cyan kite]

No wonder blizzard put ??? as the description, this is too complex for a damn trink. thanks for the help though, first time using it (got 252 IQD last vault)

[timid talon]

Id rather have any other trinket than IQD lol

one non stat proc and it loses its value

[versed mica]

Does one still lose theotar tea from your bags for the rest of the day if you spec swap, automatically swapping soulbind?

[slow marsh]

Iqd is fun. I'm actually surprised it's not better for dashing frost

It's only frustrating when you give someone mana later in fights

[simple rivet]

wheres that tarra power graphic people were linking last week?

[upbeat needle]

y'all swapping between obe and doomblade depending on fight or rockin one all the way through?

[slow marsh]

Idk if it super matters. Only one I would for sure not run obed in is painsmith but even if you do it's not that big of a difference

[viscid spear]

Was wondering myself

[slow marsh]

Most people are running ep/vig for all bosses as opposed to minmaxing. So it just depends on how much you want to spend on tomes I guess

[viscid spear]

I tried ep/vig but I feel better with bs/ds

But that's a personal preference

[slow marsh]

Yeah those are both personal pref type questions I think. You can do good or bad with either

But the general rule for obed is that if there is a lot of downtime then it loses value. Also depending on kill time it can fluctuate as well because of how many extra casts you get

[sand sigil]

top 2 2ndary for sin theo crit/haste ya?

[slow marsh]

Ye

[limber lion]

Yup

[slow marsh]

Also imo you should argue for triple potency @sand sigil and use how OP token is as defensive + the gains on 3rd potency as reasoning

[still elm]

any specific way to do the theotar tree for now?

[slow marsh]

Triple potency with lashing wps and either maim or lethal depending on your conduit ranks / leggo

[still elm]

@slow marsh kk ty i got 226 main and lethal with doomblade but ill sim it to see whats up thanks ❤️

[slow marsh]

Np

[lyric cave]

with the upcomming nerfs on domination sockets unholy will still be on top?

[misty holly]

We don't know for sure what the values will be.

[limber lion]

Who knows.

Wait for sims.

[fiery mauve]

im ready for any nerf

[echo geyser]

u got embers too?

[fiery mauve]

about 28 of them

[echo geyser]

[misty holly]

I'm excited to play frost. Those are the best defensive gems imo.

[echo geyser]

its like 60 to get r3 and r4 another 90

not too bad

[fiery mauve]

im just gonna keep upgrading my unholy set

[misty holly]

Frost gems are like prydaz for yourself and mini prydaz for random teammates. Seems like a big deal if whole raid is using that. Lots of extra health.

[echo geyser]

blood is also good for defensive

we'll have to see how much worse it is for dmg tho

[misty holly]

If unholy gets nerfed 50% and frost only gets nerfed 17%

I dont see how frost isnt better

It was already about equal at 252 ilvl

[fiery mauve]

cause frost bugged

[misty holly]

since frost scaled better, apparently

[fiery mauve]

so in practice it suck

[echo geyser]

i mean the "nerfed" sims already showed it was better right, just not sure if working properly

[young nacelle]

So why are we going theotar this week? Nadjia not good anymore?

[still elm]

dont have last point

[echo geyser]

idk if they pushed back the raidbots build to original shards

[misty holly]

bugged in what way?

[echo geyser]

not procing on everything like it was in sims etc

[hollow talon]

they did my sims gained 400 dps again

lol

[echo geyser]

[misty holly]

I've been running frost for a week now (at rank 3) since that is the only socket bonus I have unlocked. It did about 4.5% of my damage

So its doing something

[strange python]

is theotars tea simbait?

[echo geyser]

why would it be simbait

[strange python]

saw all buffs active in my quicksim

[echo geyser]

sure the stats dont give exactly same value

but its a wash

[fiery mauve]

idk whats bugged with frost set specifically but i know its bugged

[echo geyser]

only one u rly would reroll is mastery for ST i suppose

[strange python]

there's 4 different buffs here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qYNX5EzSFgLXBvYXogWn52

[mystic peak]

yes but with 25% uptime each

to even it out

[strange python]

ah

[arctic hare]

So, if I went to go kill Fatescribe Rohkalo with another raid tonight, could I go to my own guilds raid tonight too?

[young nacelle]

Yes, you just wont get loot the 2nd kill

[arctic hare]

Oh, okay,

[marble hemlock]

on normal/heroic, yes.

[arctic hare]

I'm totally down for that whoot whoot

[echo geyser]

@marble hemlock do u still actually have 2/2/2 shards?

[dawn ivy]

@arctic hare most guilds dont like it if youre already loot locked to bosses, might want to check with them that its okay

[arctic hare]

My guild is most definitely fine with that LOL

[dawn ivy]

then do yo thing boo girl

[arctic hare]

Whoot whoot

I just needed to know justtttt in case

[burnt star]

anyone know if cloak remove/prevent reapplication of the ice fragment on the nine?

[arctic hare]

okay

so

Iirc, the ice fragment is a special case

afaik, if you use it, it sends it to someone else

[burnt star]

ya

[arctic hare]

I do NOT know if it prevents it however

[burnt star]

thats what it should do

[kindred rapids]

Nothing special about that

[arctic hare]

I simply haven't seen a case that it does that with anywhere else

[marble hemlock]

yes

[marble hemlock]

you can remove it, but its like a regular dispel, just jumps to someone else

[fair void]

how do you sim so much?

[cobalt pelican]

equipping a lot of good items is usually a good start

[slow marsh]

Dang I need to try that then 😅

[burnt star]

the question was more if it prevent it from getting back to me

if im cloaked

but anyways.. we keep the cloak for the bad overlap meteor

[hollow talon]

i too am curious at this large sim

[wild mural]

its just gear and unholy set

lol

[marble hemlock]

psure it goes through cloak

if youre the closest target, youll get the debuff

[cobalt pelican]

ya you can't precloak it in any way

i tried because i kept getting it on my opener

: }

[narrow storm]

I see from the book of Shadows pin that you can cloak the dragging chains on the Eye, does it still pull everybody else in? Do I need to move out before cloaking etc

[reef axle]

dashing on cloak right?

[viscid spear]

Decanter of Endless Howling

[slow marsh]

Yes

[slow marsh]

It's ok but eye trink is better and almost any m+ trink is even better

[cinder geode]

does doomblade gain extra value with crimson tempest?

[slow marsh]

Short answer yes

[cinder geode]

also, i already had obedience from when i played sub, do i need to craft doomblade for sin or is obedience fine

[slow marsh]

You don't need to, no. you'll be fine

[hollow talon]

i think currently at our renown and gear level doomblade is a bit better

but its not huge

i just simmed and for theotar doomblade is like 150 to 200 dps higher based on what ilvl doomblade u make

once you get nadija final row its pretty much even with doomblade vs obe

nvm doomblade still 70 dps higher

just ran sims

[cinder geode]

also what is up with all the slashed info on the pins, is dashing scoundrel not a top contender anymore with the dom set nerfs

[thorny pond]

Nerf was reverted

read the top of the pin

[reef axle]

Hmmmm 252 gland trinket or 239 mast vers shoulders for 3 set frost 🤔 before you say sim, thinking more long term 😂

[slow marsh]

Cuz when it is likely re-nerfed next week they will unslash it

[cinder geode]

oh ok

[slow marsh]

They said the nerf was supposed to be applied on next reset as opposed to hotfix so most all the stuff that went down today will happen again 😫

[dusky vault]

Shoulders drop off tarra. Realistically you can get 4 chances per week at them. Very hard to get good trinkets. I would take the trinket

[reef axle]

Don’t you mean trinket 🤔?

[cinder geode]

id probably go for dom socket the dps increase from what you currently have -> gland probably wont be as big of a % increase as frost set

[dusky vault]

Yeah woops. I've edited for clarity noe

[slow marsh]

You will replace both soon so just take whatever is higher right now

[reef axle]

True

[tidal gorge]

Murr. My GV is a choice between a heroic item with a dom socket I don't have yet or a mythic one that I already have that slot's socket. Long term I obviously want the mythic one, but this is an annoying choice

[cinder geode]

all i got was the ring from the nine ive already gotten 4 times

[tidal gorge]

I guess I better wait until we clear heroic and first 3 mythic to see if I get one of those items naturally

[frosty gyro]

Did they ever make it so multiple rogues can benefit from edge of night proc?

[drifting cloud]

yes before you could loot a dagger

[sand sigil]

i sim higher waste land prop

also way more raid dam

[cedar star]

do I used fusion amplifier on CD or align it with cd's

[versed mica]

Asking this again because no one responded lmao

[slow marsh]

Oh weird well more power to you then lol. I figured the other would be higher for most people

[slow marsh]

Yes

[wintry terrace]

Does anyone have a good weak aura for chaos bane buff? just wondering before I attempt to learn how to make one lol

[versed mica]

And I can't get another one? God that's so fucking stupid

[cold rampart]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[plain thistle]

not even that lucky

3 good damage ones and +30% damage when close to 2 targets, easy

[sonic spire]

does anyone have the text for mouseover shadowstep?

[kindred rapids]

No, some things are forbidden

[arctic hare]

Tried Roh kalo today

that was

actually super fun lol

[sonic spire]

i just died off M remnant platform cause boss was out of range :c i just need it on an extra keybind for one specific scenario

[viscid osprey]

is switching soulbinds still the move at max renown for this week ?

[cold rampart]

why is most of the people in logs are maldraxxus

[limber lion]

They like Necro, what can I say

I would stay Necro as well if it wasn't so buggy.

Changed to Necro 2 weeks ago, only to change back to Venth 2 weeks later.

[marble hemlock]

Traitor.

[strange python]

Meanwhile I just want to be nightfae again for skoomaform

[hollow river]

should i shoot for crit with iqd

there's a WA that lets u know when its safe to press isn't there

[cursive silo]

U can’t aim for a stat

You can aim for stats

[hollow river]

what

[cold rampart]

speech

[cursive silo]

You can’t choose what stat it gives you

[hollow river]

i thought it gave highest stat

[cursive silo]

The wa just tells you if it gives you stats

No its random between highest 2 (procs included)

[young nacelle]

could also fuck around and give some mana on accident if theyre low and too close to you lmfao

[hollow river]

yeah but there's a WA to prevent that iirc

[limber lion]

I'll swap back after prog, i pwomise

[cursive silo]

Mana is the only thing you can’t really prevent

[hollow river]

and if i sync it with flag ill always get crit or haste

[cursive silo]

If your healers have no mana theyre not gonna get up 20% like that

[young nacelle]

ive seen it happen when i had iqd

says stats, and just before i press it, mana

thanks iqd

[limber lion]

You always get your highest stat (rating) during lust with increased duration

[hollow river]

i mean it sims +188 dps for me

[cursive silo]

Last heroic i got the aggro target dummy twice

[limber lion]

Outside of lust it's one of your 2 highest stats

[hollow river]

i got 252 IQD and 246 totem in vault

[limber lion]

Massive

[hollow river]

242 totem***

[young nacelle]

idk iqd is too rng for me, even with a weak aura

thing sucks

[limber lion]

Each to their own

[cursive silo]

Well anyway youre not gonna go 2 on use do you

[limber lion]

It's pretty stonks for venth

[hollow river]

the iqd sims 2x better than the totem

[young nacelle]

[hollow river]

wait no

only 30 dps higher than totem

totem might be the play then, eh

[limber lion]

Totem is also very good because of how well it works with high haste

[hollow river]

totem CDR sounds stonks for keys

[limber lion]

And Venth is pretty stacked in that department

[hollow river]

yeh

[limber lion]

It's not as good as you'd think

It's a single target trinket

[hollow river]

i've been running finality venth sub rogue in most keys

yeah ik

its just the extra CDR

[limber lion]

A lot of people assume it's aoe

[slow marsh]

yeah the cdr isn't really anything too relevant

[cursive silo]

Totem cdr is kinda whatever but i think youre going for ST trinkets as rogue in keys anyway

[hollow river]

idk if its only 30 dps difference

may as well take it

[limber lion]

The cdr just tequires you to:
-kill a mob during the actual trinket effect
-target the mob that dies

[slow marsh]

you are usually target swapping to the biggest thing anyways as sin so it doesn't have too big of an impact

[limber lion]

If yu slap it down as 20 mobs die, you'll get cdr for one

[hollow river]

could try to min max targets about to die

in packs

[slow marsh]

you could

easier as necro too

[hollow river]

yeh

[limber lion]

If you slap it down and it disappears before anything dies, it doesn't reduce the cd

[hollow river]

yeah ik

[slow marsh]

still solid as a 2min ST cd though

[hollow river]

the CDR portion is just like added bonus

[limber lion]

Yep

I personally use a 246 one myself

[hollow river]

doesn't have to be minmaxed

[limber lion]

For everything

[hollow river]

felt so lucky getting 252 iqd

but my buddy was also telling me he wouldn't take it

[cursive silo]

Well its good if you bother playing it perfectly

[hollow river]

just kinda sad that 239 fusion amp will replace totem

[cursive silo]

You just don’t have to play perfect if you play totem and fusion amp beats both anyway

[hollow river]

amp doesn't beat iqd

not 252 vs 239 for me

[slow marsh]

252 iqd should be better for sure. but i would understand if someone wanted to use heroic amp instead

[vital nexus]

idk where to ask but is sub better then sin for raids?

[cursive silo]

No both really good

[hollow river]

yeah its not a big difference, like 18dps

[cursive silo]

One will be better than the other depending on the fight but you can one trick both and make it work

[novel dragon]

Venthyr ass rogues: Doomblade vs Obedience legendary. Guides all say go Obedience but I'm seeing Doomblade taking most of the top parse spots in warcraftlogs

People just haven't crafted obedience yet?

[cursive silo]

Either that or doomblade still sims better for them

[vital nexus]

ok

thxs guys

I play outlaw lmao

[hollow river]

ehh screw it im gonna go totem

[quasi scroll]

does "Shard of Zed" do anything for us at all?

[hollow river]

i'd probably replace either trinket with amp anyway

[quasi scroll]

does crimson vial

"helpful"

[cursive silo]

Yea does like 1% damage lol

[quasi scroll]

does like S&D count?

[cursive silo]

Everything procs it

[quasi scroll]

oh word?

sick

[cursive silo]

Ok maybe not 1%

Ive seen it do 1%

But its rng as is everything

[quasi scroll]

I just assumed "helpful" meant heals

[limber lion]

It's around 2% dps at max rank iirc

[quasi scroll]

sick

[wide ridge]

is that MA+NS+MFD+CT build still viable for fortified weeks?

has anyone tried it?

[limber lion]

Yes it is.

[wide ridge]

hmmmm

would MA be on ring?

[slow marsh]

ye

[wide ridge]

cause mine is on a 225 wrist and i got the 252 mythic one

haste vers?

[slow marsh]

ye

[wide ridge]

word

[viscid spear]

So is Theo doing better now that we can have Party Favors?

[burnt star]

160 dps more on my sim and other rogue in my guild

Might be more if u get 3% agi

[viscid spear]

Do you just come back to him in Sinfall when the 4hrs expire?

[burnt star]

U can roll thw buff every hour

Everytime u do it reset to a new 4h buff

Dont know how long u keep the item in your bag

[viscid spear]

So what, you just reroll until you get what you want and then log off until raid?

[burnt star]

Ohh.. maybe ;)

[cold rampart]

whats the diff between venthyr and necro

[viscid spear]

One is a bunch of backstabbing leeches that only want to use you to further their own agenda.
And the other is in Revendreth.

[white jetty]

hey guys! it's me again lol
i was looking over my parses and i honestly see 0 mistakes in this fight but still didn't manage to parse purple, not sure what's missing :/ is it possible its basically not having the unholy set?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jcpwB9MvtQ2rbmNx#fight=36&type=damage-done&graphperf=2&source=147

[hollow river]

It is definitely not having the bonus and higher ilvl gear

[white jetty]

not sure what im missing then, might be not pooling perhaps(?)

[hollow river]

I don’t even have to look at the log. No offense of course.

[white jetty]

yeah lol no worries

[slow marsh]

yeah its just gear

[hollow river]

You won’t parse purple without better gear+bonus

I don’t parse high either

Because no bonus+I’m only 232 ilvl

[void pecan]

I get purple with no bonus, but I got 252 weapon out of last weeks vault.

[hollow river]

Hmmm

[hollow river]

What’s your ilvl? And weapon ilvls

[white jetty]

two 229 weaps, 234ilvl
its honestly not that bad, and my ilvl parse is shit

[hollow river]

Hmm

Hang on

[white jetty]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/jcpwB9MvtQ2rbmNx/gNpMfD469QJqGkmV#fight=36,22&source=147,Lucklss&type=damage-done

here's the comparison i was making and at least in casts im not particularly off

[hollow river]

Well #1 you’re necro and SBS is currently bugged

I can’t figure out how to get to your bleed up time from my phone

[limpid plinth]

Its not so big deal

[hollow river]

Nah pretty sure SBS would’ve done a lot more damage

If it wasn’t bugged

Nothing apparent stands out from what I can see on my phone

Bleed up time isn’t bad, SnD up time isn’t bad.

[safe coyote]

so

do i upgrade my unholy shards or will frost be better after the nerfs?

[hollow river]

Wait until after the nerfs hit

And for the CF’s to work their magic

And we will know

[mortal pike]

why is my 3 unholy set bonus not activating :C?

[limpid plinth]

How would sbs do more dmg if it was not bugged?

On that boss?

[hollow river]

Do you have an unholy shard slotted in helm?

[mortal pike]

yea

shard of dyz nuts

[hollow river]

Weird

[hollow river]

I thought maybe the bleed was just falling off

[tribal marlin]

it doesn't work in oribos ^^

[hazy geyser]

do you just want to use flag on CD if you are running obedience or do we try to time it with shiv?

[ember jay]

it almost never does on a boss, and his uptime was 100

[white jetty]

tyty, really appreciate it :3

[hollow river]

There’s no up time % on SBS. Though in the rotation it shows it’s up the whole fight, idk

[tribal marlin]

You use it on CD but delay Vendetta to sync odd ones (3rd, 5th etc...)

Unless you miss a vendetta doing so obviously

[limpid plinth]

The necro bug does in singletarget just give sometimes 1less cp than it used to give

[tribal marlin]

I'd recommend not playing Obedience as assa

[steel bane]

@limpid plinth that's not true. you get only one cp no matter how many bleeds you have active

and when shit dies you don't get your charge back if you bleed the target twice

[wild rapids]

why?

[limpid plinth]

We are talkong about singletarget raid boss

[steel bane]

there's literally one boss with only 1 target

[limpid plinth]

Yes

And someone asked about hes logs on that fight

[tribal marlin]

Other legendary are much more consistent because they aren't tigh to encounter timing.

Basically you need to delay vendetta to play obedience optimally and it sucks.

[limpid plinth]

And here is my log if you wanna look at ”you only get 1cp”

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qaJB1Vtn7d6wGAC3#fight=2&type=damage-done

[misty edge]

I finally got my unholy set, but im so nervous that they are going to end up renerfing it lol

[wide ridge]

don't worry, they wont

[misty edge]

Here is to hoping like the rest of everyone lol

[strange python]

the nerf should come out next reset no?

[tribal marlin]

btw fun fact : Obedience is actually GOOD for painsmith Raznal because it allow you to cast Flag twice in phase 2 while still having it early phase 3, which isn't possible without. But yeah, apart from this I really think Obedience is situational. Vast majority of assa rogue play doomblade.

[strange python]

question is whether or not frost will out pace ?

[void pecan]

I just slam obedience because I can't be bothered to farm that much for two legendaries

[tribal marlin]

I guess you'll get the ~5000 ashes passively doing Torghast every week anyway

I mean at some point

Peeps might shift to Dashing + Frost tho

Unholy set already start being annoying, like again on Raznal when it proc in intermission, like litterally half of the time

[gritty mason]

should i be full capping combo points or -1 better then over capping

[thorny pond]

Max or -1 is the rule

[drowsy hollow]

yay for the blue heart!

Even if it's tiny haha

[mental trout]

yea i parse purple or orange, with one blue parse fucking guardian. Not sure why i suck on that fight lolz. Honestly really surprised i got purple on Painsmith and KT though.

no set bonus either =/

and a 225 ilvl leggo

[sharp stump]

We're going haste/crit on the cloak for doomblade lego correct? Just double checking

[granite thistle]

I have watched many guild members get a phial. And they all say the same thing "now I can trade it next time"

[low epoch]

Ouch, that's rough.

[copper spoke]

That pic is nothing but pain lol

[granite thistle]

Meanwhile the other rogue gets Sylv dagger from vault, does one m+ a week and got a phial as well

Very fun.

[minor anchor]

[mental trout]

damnnn, thats a grind. did you get a pox at least at some point?

[limpid plinth]

Meanwhile our dh gets phial from first vault and poxstorm second vault and i have yet to this day seen any weapon or phial in vault

[minor anchor]

Do we use the nightly build for simming or the weekly?

[limpid plinth]

Nightly for sure

[minor anchor]

Rather is the nightly still using the nerfed dom sockets

[fallen arch]

No nerfs

As of yet

Jesus what a shitshow

And sbs still untouched

Because who cares about rogues

[drowsy hollow]

SBS?

[fallen arch]

Serrated Bone Spike

Necro ability

It’s so bugged

[prisma cypress]

if you care about bug fixes right now, you're part of the problem!

should i just be dumping all my valor points into upgrading my phial or what

[fallen arch]

I hope you are trying to be funny

[prisma cypress]

or is there something more worthwhile

[icy mason]

i'm dropping necrolord and going venthyr tomorrow. They're too busy with a side quest to bother fixing my covenant

[drowsy hollow]

I never could get into the necro rogue ability

I liked Flagellation even in beta when it was bugged

[fallen arch]

It’a the best thing in the game

But ok

[prisma cypress]

so...yes?

[icy mason]

i'll miss fleshcraft deeply. i'll cry at night thinking about the fun times we had together

[fallen arch]

U have to sort that out for yourself

Yes Phial is a good place to spend valor

[icy mason]

the raid bosses i killed at 1% with boneforged reveries

[fallen arch]

But I spent a lot upgrading a weapon cos I had to

[prisma cypress]

my weapons are only 220 garbage but i figure those are more replaceable than a high level phial would be

[fallen arch]

Well a weapon would give you a bigger dps upgrade

Is you can get one upgraded to 246

[icy mason]

theres plenty of weapons in the game. theres only one thing that upgrades a phial. and thats a vault phial.

[mental trout]

be careful for what you wish for lol you gonna end up with phial and edge of night in your vault lmao

[cedar star]

Are you guys going crit/vers on your obedience cloak?

[fallen arch]

Plenty of weapons.. I was 26 Mists runs in before I got one

[icy mason]

oh. thats unfortunate 😦

[limpid plinth]

My biggest fear tbh

[fallen arch]

As a rule of nature you’ll probably use your valor wrong

And get an upgrade next week in the vault

For the slot u upgraded

Don’t overthink it I guess

Nobody can look into the future, if you have the patience you can always wait 10 more vaults

[north basin]

I liked when sbs was allowing me to do 3 envenoms into shiv more consistently.. now need to relearn into flagg usage (

[icy mason]

yeah i held onto hope that necrolord would have an advantage somewhere this tier. instead it was just destroyed with bugs

[fallen arch]

Without the bug it’s awesome on loads of stuff

[icy mason]

yep. but i can't sit around and wait for blizzard to fix it

they're busy with something else atm. we're not a priority

[marble hemlock]

eh, its not like its a significant ST or AoE loss, unless you fuck things up in aoe and dont get refunds due to double-casting on the same target

[loud trench]

its pretty noticeable in M+ for sure

[limpid plinth]

On my mythic eye kill i had 18 sbs casts and 33cp received

[icy mason]

problem is when i'm dumping sbs on the boss and i'm getting 1-0 points or when my mouse over macro doesn't accurately hit the one i want it to hit and i do double cast on a target

[marble hemlock]

idk, i didnt really felt bothered by it in m+. the only exception are pure ST pulls where you just have to hold onto SBS instead of being able to spam them into ST, as you no longer get a refund

it just requires adjustments to your charge usage, but its not a major dps loss

it sucks for sure, it feels more frustrating to play

[fallen arch]

Ye thats annoying, same for raid bosses

[icy mason]

it bums me out and i'm trying to be happy out here

[fallen arch]

Also fhe fact that it’s sometimes just removed

[marble hemlock]

but in terms of actual numbers, its not that big of a deal. holding onto one extra spike on a 2 minute boss fight so you end it with 2 charges instead of using 1 more like you would normally do

isnt really a big deal