assassination

[balmy condor]

Oof kelthuzad

Was hoping for a less garbage boss

Aight give me a sec

[ancient peak]

kt = nut on the phylactery then go afk

[balmy condor]

Our first kill I used blades 3 times on an 8 minute kill

Barely got a third cast in

Fucking half the boss

“Stop dps on kel, DONT hit boss”

[ancient peak]

lul

[balmy condor]

“Hold cds here”

“Just sit there and wait for the spikes to explode0

[limpid zodiac]

[gusty mirage]

great boss design tbh

totally engaging

[balmy condor]

I think first kill I had 70% active time

Cause I was legit just fucking standing there

Waiting for shit to happen

So I could do some damage

[gusty mirage]

maybe next tier we'll get a boss where "stop dps" isn't part of the strategy

I'm not going to hold my breath though

[lean coral]

"next tier"

[gusty mirage]

soon ™️

[timid talon]

next tier is next expansion in 2023

gonna be 2 years of SoD

[limpid zodiac]

You say it like it's a bad thing. But I assure you many people would pay just to look at Sylvanas and her dead tits some more.

[royal lantern]

this is not the channel for stuff like that btw

[timid talon]

it is a very bad thing

[balmy condor]

aight I'm gonna try my best to go in chronological order but this fight is so dogshit to analyze. Pictures will come after, numbers correspond to pictures.

1. Lead with the sbs first to get the dot up, then snd mut. On kel specifically you get adds pretty quick, so you can hold 1-2 charges of sbs for those and juice the refunds, rather than hard slamming them into the boss. Not sure if that's bugged or not, because sbs is dogshit.

2. Couple times where you held shiv which kinda sucked, could've had another cast going into second vendetta, and also missed another 1-2 casts later on.

3. Had a shiv here before the vendetta, don't do that

4. Had a vendetta here without shiv, don't do that.

Had a couple of uptime issues, kinda hard to pin down why, you didn't multi-dot basically at all, the only cleave you did was bone spike a spike, which is weird on a cleave fight

[shadow tulip]

Fuck sylvanas, I want to see her dead in a coffin.

[limpid zodiac]

Is there any reason for me to run to tank adds and dot them? Or will I just be losing uptime on the boss for no good reason? It seems like they die before even half the dot is finished.

[hushed timber]

Where do you get that cast sequence view on logs?

[lavish lichen]

Casts

Then timeline

[balmy condor]

Should be at least spiking them and throwing a rupture on energy on the close ones

[winged basin]

damnnnnnnnnnn, dashing scoundrel frost now huh

wack

[dusty cipher]

thoughts on sin in m+ this patch? anyone maining it for keys? how are the liking it?

[balmy condor]

It’s the worst of the 3

[dusty cipher]

outlaw still the go to?

[balmy condor]

Can kinda keep up in things like ToP, maybe spires

Sub/outlaw both have their dungeons

Outlaw doesn’t keep up in halls or sanguine for example

[dusty cipher]

ah

[misty bough]

sooooooooooooo

does anyone know if i can run SoD normal for a socket

if i accidentally deleted mine

[cunning granite]

zoldyk leggo crit and haste missive for m+?

[misty bough]

or is my chances used for the week

[balmy condor]

It’s once per boss regardless of difficulty

So if you cleared 10/10 heroic

[misty bough]

yes

[balmy condor]

You aren’t getting any shards

[misty bough]

but since i already got it as a drop

and destroyed it...

I wonder if i can just go back and reclaim it :p

[thorny pond]

Nada

[hushed timber]

highly doubt it

[thorny pond]

I did it

[misty bough]

i mean it is a multidollar company

[thorny pond]

as a joke

you cannot

[rose narwhal]

not sure if item restoration works for destroyed items? Might be worth a check though

[misty bough]

it doesnt

theres no way to get it back

support told me to fuck off aswell

[thorny pond]

LelGMs won't help. You just gotta install the addon and learn

[cunning granite]

For the Zoldyk m+ legs crit and haste?

[thorny pond]

For just M+?

[cunning granite]

yeah i got the back for raiding

[misty bough]

you don't wanna play ass for m+ but i mean

yea go ahead

[cunning granite]

doomblade

[thorny pond]

Crit and then either just haste or you can fire off mastery if you're kinda low

[misty bough]

you don't do doomblade in m+

[hollow dirge]

Is it the same drop rate?
As I was not waiting for guild hc clear to get them, would run normal first thing wednesday morning, trying to get those damn shards , and only got 2 so far. Probably just bad luck, or the drop chance on lower difficulty is not as high

[cunning granite]

right now i do doomblade in m+

[misty bough]

you either do zoldyk or obedience in m+ but m+ ass rogue is quite bad aswell

[cunning granite]

but i just could afford some trousers

and now i make a m+ legs with zoldyk

[misty bough]

im doing roughly 8.5-9 with doomblade so it works well

[balmy condor]

I mean if blizzard support couldn’t help you why do you think we can

[misty bough]

besides top

[placid dawn]

On KT BS doesnt reset on ads, kinda stupid

[balmy condor]

Same drop chance

[misty bough]

@whys

@balmy condor it was a question to see if anyone had somehow very unlikely done the same mistake

[balmy condor]

Many

[misty bough]

and if they tried to regain it in normal

[balmy condor]

There’s been like 25 wowhead posts

Talking about how you can’t get shards back

And an addon

[jaunty plinth]

i'm having problems with spell queueing for ambush/mutilate when using subterfuge. if i spell queue up an ambush but the 3 seconds time out it clips and won't mutilate. could just be an annoying haste issues, but does anyone know of a solution macro?

[misty bough]

i installed the addon

you don't use ambush nor subterfuge nowdays

you don't ambush without blindside and you don't really use blindside

[cunning granite]

@thorny pond what does kinda low mean? i dont have much gold so i want to keep that leggo and milk it for long

[balmy condor]

I don’t really understand the problem, are you saying you aren’t able to get an ambush on the last second of subterfuge?

That’s a huge window

Should be able to get 3 casts into a subterfuge window even with a ton of ping

[misty bough]

protip for all the ass rogues, unbind ambush 🙂

[jaunty plinth]

yes, the last one clips and nothing happens

could easily just be my slightly scuffed haste

[misty bough]

how much haste do you ahve?

I get in 4 garrotes at my 30%(31 with food)

[balmy condor]

No u don’t

You can’t get 4 casts in 3 seconds

[jaunty plinth]

c.18%, this is a newish alt with ltittle choice in gear

[misty bough]

im sending u a vid as soon as its uploaded whispy

[worthy moth]

11k overall as assassination in a 19

personal record here.

[lavish lichen]

Thats actually pretty sick

What dungeon

[worthy moth]

sd

[ebon thorn]

have anyone tried using cloth wrists to get 2x set bonuses?

so triple blood + triple unholy shard

[worthy moth]

lol

[lavish lichen]

You cant

That was fixed before launch

Also rogues really wouldn’t be able to do it

You lose 5% main stat AND the main stat on the piece

[ebon thorn]

5% mainstat is 75 agi for me

chaos bane proc is what

[lavish lichen]

Was mostly a Shaman/ Paladin thing (since they are intellect and the other armor pieces also have intellect)

[ebon thorn]

700?

[lavish lichen]

You can’t do it

So it’s irrelevant

[ebon thorn]

yeh i mean if it doesnt work rip

bu i think the dmg would be worth losing 100agi

if it worked

[lavish lichen]

Maybe you lose 5% + the agi on each of those pieces

Also comparing a PROC to a static amount of agility is not apples to apples

[balmy condor]

Yeah it was really questionable if it would’ve been worth to begin with

[idle star]

Wish i was playing eith good players.. my groups keep wiping scuffing my dps

[lavish lichen]

Yea you needed arguably 7 dom pieces

Bc 2 bonuses means you dropped the DPS shard from the 3rd set

Thats also why it was mostly a pala shaman thing if it was possible, they’d be able to equip all 7, 2 bonus + final dps shard

[worthy moth]

yeah but i want to quit

leggos and covenants are bothering me

and socket domination was the reason to

im not resubbing.

[wintry mica]

just play ret, teammates die = free wings

[hushed timber]

xD

If I were to play ret I won't even be able to use that aura cause we have no other paladins in our raid group :<

[wintry mica]

you can do 4 garrotes, but only 3 of them are empowered, you dont have enough time to do 4 casts during subterfuge

[wintry mica]

we have 2 rets so they have to fight over who has to use devo

[gray flower]

is Sin still meta for raid? seeing so many Sub rogues on logs

[wintry mica]

both are good

[gray flower]

are either as good in M+ as Outlaw? trying to figure out if i should be swapping to Venthur

Venthyr*

[minor anchor]

Sub is good in most dungeons

[wintry mica]

yea sub is pretty fun in dungeons

sin could maybe beat it in like ToP with how many low target pulls there

[young pebble]

What changed from last patch? IIRC sub was struggling a bit, at least compared to Outlaw which was king

Eager to try it again if it's much more viable

[minor anchor]

Sub got insane buffs in 9.1

flat % buffs

[wintry mica]

outlaw still really good in keys tho

[minor anchor]

outlaw is better if your tank pulls 3-5 mobs at a time

sub is better for 6+

[wintry mica]

^

plus shuriken tornado black powder spam feels so nice after playing sin with no aoe burst

[halcyon zealot]

Sin is also more than fine in keys

[balmy condor]

Just a nit-pick but sub is slightly ahead on 5 as well

[wintry mica]

if Im starved for soul ash and only have doomblade, should I go for obedience since it works with sub or zoldycks for m+?

[drifting cloud]

probably obedience

[wintry mica]

yea, thats kind of what I was thinking, wish I had farmed soul ash on this guy back in 9.0

I still wanna try the MA lego with MFD in keys too

[loud light]

hey you could have another 225 lego for the low low price of... something like 15 torghasts

[stuck basalt]

if im raiding with sin/sub (mostly sin but sub on some fights like fatescribe) should i be crafting r6 obendience or r6 doomblade? I already have obedience r4 on back and i have doomblade r4 on bracers which i will have to recraft either way

[mental trout]

so with the in game M+ score tracker does any one know how to link their main to their alt so it easier to get in groups?

[balmy condor]

You don’t

Score is per-character

[spice spire]

Unlucky

Learned this last night

[balmy condor]

Would probably go doomblade

[loud light]

link your bnet account to your profile on raider.io, set the appropriate character as your main, and hope the people searching use the raider.io addon

since the in-game thing doesn't care

[wide ridge]

after i level up my 3 unholy shards to rank 4, frost shards are bis now

🤡

[timid talon]

well, sim yourself first

[wooden crag]

ayo guys what is proccing shard of zed on rogues?

[timid talon]

well actually it doesnt seem like the set bonus sims really reflect it yet?

Or im completely missing how to compare the set bonuses in sims without just making 2 profiles

[thorny pond]

Click the gems you want

[obsidian socket]

Doesn’t It say” your abilities” so literally any ability could in theory

[foggy ember]

Much diff between unholy and frost? I already full sent unholy

[wooden crag]

i thought it's linked to the word helpful but i guess i was wrong

[obsidian socket]

Maybe offensive abilities

[timid talon]

[lavish egret]

can sin rogues pre slice without vanish ?

[left plaza]

With MFD

[cunning needle]

how bad am I if I can't get 30 stacks in a flag?

was doing some target dummy test and I think i got it once out of 10 goes

[obsidian socket]

you usualy do not get 30 on assas

[mystic peak]

its normal

[cunning needle]

okay

[obsidian socket]

i get 23 or 25 with lust

does anyone have the mouseover target garrote macro?

[cunning needle]

and flag is used off cd right? until it can be synced with the last vendetta

wait

nvm

[ebon tundra]

surely the garrote macro is just /cast [@cursor] Garrote

[obsidian socket]

wew

[timid talon]

20-25 is pretty normal, 25 is if you crit a mutilate outside of the MA window but 30 is if you crit them all.

[cunning needle]

thanks

last one lol

if i'm at 5cp and shiv comes off cd

do i shiv then envenom

or envenom and shiv

[timid talon]

slam shiv

[mystic peak]

shiv

[kind talon]

shiv 🙂

[cunning needle]

thanks ❤️

[obsidian socket]

what leggo do i use in M+

[timid talon]

obedience if venthyr, zoldyck's if anything else

[timid coral]

how does shadowgrasp totem work in aoe? splits damage or?

[frosty cedar]

Just hits the dude you had targetted till they die, then hits another dude

[timid coral]

do you get the cdr only if your target dies?

wait all of this is literally on the tooltip. smh

[frosty cedar]

👍

[balmy condor]

I mean

mad respect for not trusting blizzard tooltips

that's a good habit to have

[timid coral]

yeah didnt even occur to me to read it tbh

[cunning needle]

is it worth trying to game the totem?

to proc the CDR

or just use off cd

[balmy condor]

not really worth gaming it

[cunning needle]

excellent just what I wanted to hear

[cinder fulcrum]

So is obedience the super leggo all rounder now? Raid and M+?

[balmy condor]

ye

[cinder fulcrum]

Shweet! Thanks!

[loud trench]

Doomblade cloak still crit/haste?

[slow hazel]

Why not

[rancid pier]

If you were to run triple potency, what is the third conduit you choose?

[misty holly]

Is there a Crimson Tempest conduit?

[slow hazel]

So how many went venthyr? Is it worth the renown farm?

[echo geyser]

for what content? what cov ?

[rancid pier]

Raid and necro

[echo geyser]

sbs conduit WPS and maim i guess

maybe lethal can be better than maim not sure

gotta sim it

[rancid pier]

ok thanks

[azure flare]

it says any helpful ability, offensive ones are basically excluded from that unless its like a self buff damage. Basically, any buff/heal can proc it. Debuffing enemy won't proc it (for example vendetta, flag)

[cunning needle]

i swapped to venth from necro and im enjoying it more

necro and venth are pretty equal in raid though

like plenty of necro top parses

renown farm doesn't really matter though you get it back so quickly

[timid talon]

parses right now are who has gear/3pc lol

it has nothing to do with covenant

[cunning needle]

im already caught up and i swapped like 6 hours before reset last week

[slow hazel]

Tbh I find the necrolord convenant ability time consuming

3 mobs means 3 gcd's spent before u can go to your normal rotation

Well guess I'm gonna try Venthyr

[hollow escarp]

3 gcds that generate cheap combo points

sometimes better than Mutilate

[slow hazel]

I have no issue with generating combo points or energy

I just like to put bleeds up and spank with envenoms

[mental trout]

thanks! i just linked my alt to my mains score. I guess it takes a little bit for it to show up in game through?

[slow hazel]

Thats why I cant seem to find a spot for the necrolord ability in my rotation

Especially aoe

[hollow escarp]

I could see that if you play sub

[zinc frost]

Can’t go wrong with either venth or necro my dude. I personally love necro in mythic plus (apart from its current bug issues) but venth still decent.

[slow hazel]

Ya corruption in BFA made me puke. Feel that its coming back...

[timid talon]

It'll be better than that, since in like a week or two everyone will have everything

[slow hazel]

Ya tnx imma go venthyr

[hollow escarp]

^^

it's just an excuse 😛

[obsidian socket]

#showtooltip Serrated Bone Spike
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][] Serrated Bone Spike
this is works for garrote too just change the words

[urban gale]

is it normal to just be permanently energy starved

[slow hazel]

Nope not at all. And if you are then you must have forgotten to put poisons on your daggers.

[cerulean nest]

I dont have dom shoulders, sylv dagger or phial yet

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rUcRWCALZwGjzjU9ijXnjX

[hollow escarp]

but you do have rank 3 unholy

[cerulean nest]

indubitably

[timid talon]

I have all 5 pieces now but I can't figure out how to compare the two set bonuses in sims, it either sims whatever I have equipped or nothing lol

[north basin]

Scoundrel more fluid in rotation?

Anyone tried?

[somber hill]

i'd imaginne so

u net out more energy gen and allows u to run higher crit since u dont need as much haste

[drowsy hollow]

weee, I get to make my Obedience

[slow marsh]

yes once you start getting big crit you can feel it trickle in more and more

[drowsy hollow]

and that goes on back if I ever have a shot at dom sockets for the helm right?

[slow marsh]

it goes on back regardless

[drowsy hollow]

watch there be no tier set bonuses next patch. 😛

[timid talon]

next patch is gonna be May 2022 so thats a worry for a different us

[drowsy hollow]

eh, doubt even the end of the world could make it be that long. I'm thinking January haha

[hollow bridge]

Hey everyone. Is there a tool that I can use to analyse logs to see how much I am doing right or wrong with the brand mechanic on heroic soulrender?

[cursive silo]

Did your guild die to brands and or adds not dying? If yes you did bad if no you did good enough

[steady glen]

anyone know how do i sim fros/unholy sets if i do not have the items required

[cursive silo]

You can pick shards at the very bottom of the top gear

[steady glen]

i did that it didnt sim im guessing cuz i dont have dom socket gear

[balmy condor]

if you're missing the items you'd have to gear compare

or add them to your top gear

[hollow bridge]

Thanks coa. No one died to me having brand. Adds definitely didn't die quickly or often enough. I often didn't have brand. I just want to prove them wrong on the logs. Also we wiped due to actual enrage. I think once I had brand on a tank during dodging phase for like 2 ticks or 4 seconds. Perhaps that just made him make.

Mald even

[balmy condor]

through copy pasting the line needed

but that's uh

that's a little more advanced

[cursive silo]

Well I have no idea if brand damage can be a problem because im in a guild thats tryhard/geared enough to not care about it. But if you die to adds/boss enrage its just a raid dps problem + youre in melee so if youre hitting things your brand will be on them

Its a weird thing to prove through logs though as that should be obvious enough just playing the boss

[timid talon]

Im conflicted, do I keep upgrading my unholy shards because they're better for me right now or do I pivot and just upgrade the frost shards since they're bis in the end?

[balmy condor]

like I say in bold in the pins, the frost set is very janky

I wouldn't suggest investing

[timid talon]

Janky in a way they'll fix, or is it going to be this way forever do you think?

[placid dawn]

is sin a decent torghast spec?

im getting destroyed on outlaw, literally dying to my own auto attacks

from the stupid reflect power

[balmy condor]

yeah it's pretty good

[balmy condor]

we don't know if it's oversimming, undersimming, working as intended, not working as intended, proccing not enough, proccing too much, proccing from things it should, proccing from things it shouldn't

[timid talon]

Fair

Sounds like blizzard

[steady glen]

well, its a frost set afterall

🙂

[balmy condor]

Kinda hate that I have to talk about it at all

but people are smart enough to sim things

and that creates problems

[timid talon]

Yeah, it sims within like 50 dps for me atm without dashing

so I was just not sure if I should invest

[cursive silo]

Just break dashing in the sims

[balmy condor]

I was lowkey hoping to sweep it under the rug until we know whats going on

[cursive silo]

So it doesnt sim well and no one asks about it

5Head

[balmy condor]

blizzard does that all by themselves by implementing poison bugs every patch

[timid talon]

An internal testing report was submitted for the current one so fingers crossed we get something fixed for it, but the tester could also not understand why its an issue and sign off on it /shrug

[balmy condor]

a what the who

[timid talon]

I have friends who work at blizz and told them about it and they submitted an internal testing report which means they're putting someone on it to test it

[cursive silo]

Its not really an issue for them if we don’t understand how it works

[timid talon]

but we wont know more unless they do fix it

[cursive silo]

As long as it somehow does what it says on the tooltip

Its fine to them

[balmy condor]

my dad works at blizzard too

[timid talon]

We do understand it though

[balmy condor]

he brings me home ice cream cones

[timid talon]

Im just trying to help lol You dont have to believe me.

[balmy condor]

I don't :)

[timid talon]

[balmy condor]

99.9999% of times when someone talks about their friends/family working at blizzard

it's complete and utter bullshit

so nothing against you

[timid talon]

Fair

[balmy condor]

but I have no reason to believe any of it

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor what are the breakpoints for obedience pls i have to know the secret sauce

[balmy condor]

no breakpoints

[ebon notch]

u lie u say its gear thing

[balmy condor]

it is a gear thing

[ebon notch]

what kinda gear

[balmy condor]

better gear

stronger gear

[ebon notch]

gib gear breakpoints

[balmy condor]

put a strength enchant on

[hollow bridge]

@cursive silo thanks. I think it's just classic case of people thinking they are elite when we are a scrub grey parsing heroic guild in oce

[ebon notch]

[cursive silo]

My hunter has a str enchant pls help

[ebon notch]

HOW MANY GEARS DO I NEEDBEFORE OBED BECOMES GOOD

IVE GOT A WHOLE GEARBOX HERE

[cursive silo]

Press n

Press sub

Obed bis now

[ebon notch]

@balmy condor see this guy has the fuckin answers cba with u smh

[balmy condor]

nah but like for real

I have no fucking clue

it just kinda becomes better

at some point

[velvet nacelle]

man with all the talk of sylvanas's daggers i was expecting... more

normal one is only doing like 1-1.5% of my total damage in m+, will see in raid next week

[hollow escarp]

same thing with phial

it's a dps increase

not huge, but still is

[velvet nacelle]

yeah like i'm not mad about getting it

[hollow escarp]

it also depends where you are starting from

[velvet nacelle]

but if you bought into the hype the daggers were gonna be like x2-3 dps and the phial is another x2 dps

[hollow escarp]

if you already have like 252 daggers, it's not a big deal anymore

[velvet nacelle]

WE WERE GONNA BE KINGS

[hollow river]

yeah phial is only like 100dps for me

[hollow escarp]

only

[hollow river]

ye, only

im fine without that 100 (:

[velvet nacelle]

i've got more than enough room to improve to get more than 100-200 dps

[hollow river]

because i will never see a phial (:

[hollow river]

same

[velvet nacelle]

i think i might raid doomblade this week just to see how i perform

[hollow river]

been watching jpc prog sylvanas

[velvet nacelle]

i feel like i'm delaying flag enough with obedience that i'm not getting anywhere nera the full benefit

[hollow river]

doing like 9k all of p1

im over here like x_X

[velvet nacelle]

that's how i feel

these guys are finishing at dps numbers i don't even burst to in my opener haha

[prisma cypress]

are you even supposed to delay flag with obedience?

[hollow river]

i've gotten pretty good about my opener

it's really just when adds come into the picture where i feel like i fuck up

[hollow river]

you sync with vendetta on ur 3rd flag

[velvet nacelle]

@prisma cypress nope!

[hollow river]

if u won't lose a cast

[velvet nacelle]

well very little if at all

[cursive silo]

No but it does it auto

[velvet nacelle]

but sometimes i feel like it comes off cd when i'm completely unprepared

like 0 cp and 0 energy

[hollow escarp]

[velvet nacelle]

so by the time i'm ready to use it i've eaten up all the time i cut off the timer

[hollow river]

but that's based on you with a normal dagger already correct

[cursive silo]

Damn lfr offhand is a downgrade for u

[hollow escarp]

didn't even check that

[hollow river]

no way normal dagger is only +20dps

[cursive silo]

Then just prepare for it lol

[hollow river]

i thought it was better OH than 252

[velvet nacelle]

i mean i'm trying and most of the time it's not that case

[hollow escarp]

it is if you have 252 mainhand

[velvet nacelle]

but that 0/0 situation comes up enough that i'm aware of it

[hollow river]

what the fuck

thought it was like 5% better than 252

[cursive silo]

If youre trying theres no way youre at 0/0 when it comes off cd

[velvet nacelle]

i'm being hyperbolic

it feels like i am

i hate not bein gable to press it right away

[cursive silo]

Im just saying its a you problem not the legendary being that way

[velvet nacelle]

oh i 100% agree

i think i said that earlier

[hollow river]

so you may aswell only hunt for Heroic Edge of night if thats the case

[glossy plover]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[cursive silo]

I had no problems having ressources when casting it especially because every other flag is with a vendetta

[hollow river]

if 233 Edge =/= 252

[velvet nacelle]

obedience changes the timer enough that i haven't really internalized it yet

like i think i have a natural rhythm for 90s cds on flag and when it's 70s instead i just kind of "forget" sometimes

forget is too strong a word

but i think it conveys it properly, like by the time i realize it's coming off cd i've already misplayed it enough or things just feel out of sync

and it's 100% a me problem

[hollow escarp]

I'm also necro, not sure how different it would have been as venthyr

[velvet nacelle]

i was on 2 226 weapons still when i got the normal dagger

[hollow river]

im using 2 220s

so i need something

fast

[velvet nacelle]

so it's still nice to have it

[hollow river]

did u still go off hand?

[velvet nacelle]

it simmed a little better mh

[hollow river]

o.O

[velvet nacelle]

which makes sense, higher ilvl

[hollow river]

true

agi

dps

[velvet nacelle]

i expect to move it to offhand soon (hopefully)

[hollow river]

.>

[velvet nacelle]

i had insane weapon luck last tier in the vault

[hollow river]

rng has literally trolled me since patch

i have 2/2/2 shards

[velvet nacelle]

nothign else, i ended the tier with like 210 shoulders

[hollow river]

and gotten nothing in m+ vault

besides cloaks, gloves, boots, chest

[velvet nacelle]

i've only got 2 blood and unholy

[hollow river]

i can't even take my m+ vault loot

[velvet nacelle]

fingers crossed that it doesn't atke 5 sylvanas kills to get the third unholy

dude, first week my vault was so bad i legit took the "stygia" reward, whatever it is now

[hollow river]

been farming phial past few days

or Poxstorm from plaguefall for outlaw

or dagger from pf

nothing

got a cloak today

[velvet nacelle]

doesn't the pf dagger have mastery?

[hollow river]

gave it to the mage

anything is an upgrade for me

but yeah that's why i've been going outlaw loot spec

since Pox is bis sword from m+ at least

want to play all 3 specs in keys this season for some variety

[velvet nacelle]

that's fair, i did only outlaw for like 2 expansions so i'm happy that i get to run assassination now

well i always could run assassination, but that it's more viable

[hollow river]

I’m really liking sub in the heavier aoe dungeons

But probably gonna play sin/outlaw in the other 4

[thorn crater]

Does the Tazavesh HM neck sim correctly? because I have the shadowlands crafter neck and it sims way better than the Taza one at 226 but I just want to be sure

[drifting cloud]

yes the proc got nerfed by like 80%

[thorn crater]

Ah that would make sense

[drifting cloud]

and since it has mastey its dodo for assa

only beats same ilvl necks

[thorn crater]

Thanks for the clarification

[drowsy hollow]

so if you kill a mob with flagellation on it you get 20 stacks regardless, but you don't get the cdr with obedience?

[soft shale]

if a mob dies with flag you get 10 stacks up to 30

but indeed you dont get cdr if you play obedience

[drowsy hollow]

interesting

[hollow river]

This makes running obedience in tyrannical PF and ToP feel a tad awkward

Honestly feels bad to play sub in pf top spires and mists imo. You blast bosses but the small packs just feel terrible

[balmy condor]

Mists?

Like I get pf and top and spires

Cleave dungeons

But mists?

[cinder geode]

does venomous wounds trigger multiple times off of multiple enemies? can i apply my bleeds to 3 different targets and get 3x the energy back from the ticks?

[cyan dew]

Whispyr, for the legendary r6 should I craft Obe or Doom? I plan on doing just the usual M+ with sub (at most +18/19). Obe would be the better choice?

And raiding mythic, obv.

Or should I stick with Doom and craft a finality r4 (for now) for sub m+? @balmy condor

[slow marsh]

Yes you get energy capped quick as sin in aoe.

[hollow river]

I just don’t like the cleave before first boss, and maze is a lot of 5 or less. The slugs at the end are great but meh

Honestly just one of my least favorite dungeons in general.

[slow marsh]

One of my faves cuz it's ez mode as sin

[hollow river]

I just can’t seem to get myself into sin for keys

[young pebble]

Not enjoying it? Not performing well?

[cinder geode]

ah nice that will be fun

[slow marsh]

Until you realize we don't have a spammable aoe finisher so you're just bleeding more and overcapping more and fan does 0 damage but you still have to spam it

[hollow river]

I enjoy it but but the bleed spread gets taxing after a while

[cinder geode]

well there is crimson tempest

[slow marsh]

Yes which is pog

But not spammable

[hollow river]

U don’t spam ct

[cinder geode]

oh nvm i see what u mean

[young pebble]

I'm trying to decide if it's better to do a 235 Obed for sin raids and a 262 celerity for outlaw keys

or a 262 obed for all around

[hollow river]

I wouldn’t jump onto 262 cele rn

[zinc frost]

It’s taxing with bleeds but feels rewarding when you pump deeps.

[cinder geode]

wait how do you not spam CT? it has no cd would you not cast it as much as you can on aoe?

[hollow river]

It’s a bleed

Aoe bleed

[cyan dew]

No, you only cast for bleeds.

Q: When do I maintain Crimson Tempest? Do I spam it?
A: We maintain CT for the dot. This includes single target, where casting CT outside of shiv windows is worth more than an envenom. On 2+ targets, maintain the dot at all times. Never spam CT

[slow marsh]

Pulled right from faq

Love it

[cyan dew]

yep

[hollow river]

Read moar

[slow marsh]

Our new faqs are so good. Well done FAQers

Literally sin m+ is just bleed everything to death and hit envenom to keep snd up

[hollow river]

I’m waiting til the dust settles and everything is 100% optimized and we know for certain which legendaries are BiS.

[balmy condor]

5 is a great target count for sub and you can double pull through the wall with hunters/locks

Mists is like giga pog for sub

[slow marsh]

As long as you're double pulling the whole way yeah

But most pugs dont

[hollow river]

Idk I just dislike it and never see anyone double pull

[terse cloak]

Zold is still a great choice mto upgrade, especially if you only m+ I imagine

[slow marsh]

So it lends better to sin with 4 packs the whole way until slugs and at that point who cares

[hollow river]

Maybe with guildies I can ask them to but pugs that’s a no go

[balmy condor]

I mean you don’t have to double pull

For it to be good

[drowsy hollow]

Woo, did 4k DPS overall in a +3 SD at 207 ilvl. I will honestly take that

[slow marsh]

Well true I think 4 packs are in that grey area between sin and sub right

[hollow river]

Kinda yea

Or u could run acrobatic strikes

And be capped at 5 anyway

[drowsy hollow]

Would y'all use Obedience in m+? I like the gameplay of it but not sure if better than others

[zinc frost]

Obedience solid for both content.

I’m gonna be running it

[young pebble]

262 or 235?

[zinc frost]

235 because I have too many leggos

[slow marsh]

Yeah don't ask me about m+ leggos cuz I'm team MA to the grave

[drowsy hollow]

Garrote and Crimson Tempest NEARLY overtook white hits for me.

[terse cloak]

Zold 🤙🏻

[slow marsh]

Until I get swords and int on outlaw

[hollow river]

[slow marsh]

Zold is obviously the "better" choice

[drowsy hollow]

Zold is my other one I have crafted. I want to play a dps spec at least sometimes

[young pebble]

tfw it's spiteful week and your tank chain pulls tho

[slow marsh]

I mean if they chain pull you're screwed anyways so

Unless you're outlaw

[hollow river]

Sim the difference it’s usually not a big gain to make 262>235 but do what you feel

[drowsy hollow]

I just realized, I'm an idiot. I totally forgot about the shiv interactions. Glad it was only a +3

[hollow river]

I’d craft it and see how u like it before going 262

[slow marsh]

I had that earlier this morning, tank kept chain pulling and pretty sure didn't read English so I just rolled with it

[idle merlin]

Hello! Outlaw Rogue here looking to reroll Assassination. I got the soul ash and I'm gonna create a 235 legendary! I was planning on doing Doomblade but now I heard about some new discovery haha. I will be doing mainly heroic raids & some M+, MAYBE mythic raids in the future. (220 ilvl) Should I still create Doomblade as a first one or what is you guys take on it? 🙂

[zinc frost]

If you hang back a little you should be able to get a cheeky restealth

[slow marsh]

Just craft doomblade

Yeah I usually get restealths anyways during spiteful

[hollow river]

Obedience for raid and m+

[slow marsh]

It's the chain pulling into mobs that start combat with everyone (like bosses) that's tilting

[hollow river]

Is the better overall choice for both content

[young pebble]

Didn't say he's venthyr though

[hollow river]

Truee

[drowsy hollow]

Only if Venthyr haha. I wanna shake my stick at people. I was Venthyr before 9.0.5 even cause Venthyr rogue just felt right

[young pebble]

Also Cov leggos feel weird, because then you gotta worry about Blizz nerfing your cov AND your leggo

[idle merlin]

Im Venthyr hehe...

Would there be a BIG difference in output, mainly for raiding between the Venthyr legendary & Doomblade?

[hollow river]

Then yeah obedience for good leggo in both content

[slow marsh]

Not if you play it correctly

[hazy saffron]

Hello, i reshearsch info on Sylvanas dagger can someone tell me if a deep into guid exist on the internal mechanic of Edge of night out there. Spreadsheet, ect... whatever. Thanks in advance

[hollow river]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[hollow river]

It’s down towards the bottom of this sheet

[hazy saffron]

Thanks

[zinc frost]

Not a huge difference, there should be sims in the pins/faqs. Obedience is a good choice for all around content, doomblade for raid.

[cinder geode]

does crimson tempest also count for venomous wounds when it ticks?

[vestal wren]

no

[cinder geode]

sad

[balmy condor]

That would make crimson tempest an instant take

In every content

Forever

[strange python]

yeah

major single target stonks if it did

[balmy condor]

Like poison bomb wouldn’t even be a consideration

[strange python]

fucking it barely is as is

god I hate PB

[cinder geode]

my poison bomb only did 4% of my damage on my KT kill

is it supposed to be that low?

[south belfry]

Welcome to shit talent rows

[sick scarab]

guys tell me your thougts on NF field blossom ..

[balmy condor]

Yeah 4% seems reasonable

[strange python]

imo give us shrouded suff back and replace pb

[balmy condor]

It’s a soulbind that increases your damage

[sick scarab]

i know

[zinc frost]

Wish we could bring back exsanguinate, that shit was fun

[balmy condor]

Yeah

I know you know

I’m telling you my thoughts on it

And those are my thoughts

[sick scarab]

but i mean.. i theory is ok.. in reality ?

i mean 18 sec stationary dpsing

[strange python]

if we had shrouded back exan might be worth anyway

[sick scarab]

or it is 3x potency conduiot that make dreamweaver better than NYA ?

[slow marsh]

Playing nf in 9.1

[balmy condor]

It’s no worse than pelagos orbs or theotar umbrella or nadjia procs or niya burrs rng or grove invig rng

[sick scarab]

that is what i mean.. in theory filed blossom in good.. in raid enviroment seems mhe..

[drowsy hollow]

They gave us Poison Bomb cause we loved it in Legion, buuuut, they made it the sad sad sad Chinese knockoff version of Poison Bomb

[slow marsh]

Just take whatever you want it doesn't matter anyways

[strange python]

lol legion pb wasn't a bomb

it was like

all the nukes

ALL of them

[sick scarab]

nya herbs is more reliant

[balmy condor]

Pick whatever you want man

You’re already playing night fae

Can’t get much worse

[drowsy hollow]

CT does well for me in m+ at least

[sick scarab]

lol

[slow marsh]

I mean you already clearly don't care about optimization

[sick scarab]

nice discussion here

[slow marsh]

Do what you want

Lol same thought @whisp

[balmy condor]

I mean the discussion is “is it good”

And the answer is “yes it’s good”

And then you go “but is it good”

[sick scarab]

no i asked thougts on the skill

[strange python]

I mean, we could talk about scaling instead

[balmy condor]

And I respond with “yes it’s good”

[sick scarab]

but nvm

[arctic walrus]

You do the math yet whispyr

[balmy condor]

What’s the difference

[sick scarab]

the difference is

[arctic walrus]

Party favors atm would it beat nadjia

[slow marsh]

Yes

This week only

[balmy condor]

@sick scarab what do you think about sylvanas daggers

[slow marsh]

But

[drowsy hollow]

oh right, I'm supposed to be using Blindside now right? 😄

[arctic walrus]

I think they should drop in my vault tomorrow

[sick scarab]

i have to drop them .. need to test.. got 239 daggers

so i dunno

[balmy condor]

[rocky pecan]

Kek

[balmy condor]

I see the point went way over your head

[slow marsh]

At your ilvl you might want to sim bs/vigor and see what comes out on top

[cinder geode]

what are your thoughts on WoW

[terse cloak]

Anyone fook with obe for arena?

[sick scarab]

sylvanas how they perform.. if i sims the normal one it come out same dps

[slow marsh]

#pvp

[terse cloak]

Man thats a dumbass reaponse should have guessed

[south belfry]

:pepeclown-1:

[balmy condor]

You ask a pvp question

[drowsy hollow]

I'm assuming you mean BS vs EP or MP? Cause Vigor is on a different row.

[balmy condor]

And get pointed towards the pvp channel

[slow marsh]

Imagine asking a pvp question in not the pvp channel

Then malding

When someone links pvp channel

[terse cloak]

Alright go to bed kids

[south belfry]

Lmao

[strange python]

this guy is juiced

[rocky pecan]

i just wake up ><

[strange python]

FITE ME!

[balmy condor]

Shows up in a spec channel, gets a reasonable answer, instant angery

[terse cloak]

Not angry about to hit the road for work, clearly I was in the wrong have a good morning

[slow marsh]

Yeah sim bs with a combo of Ds and vigor. At lower ilvl sometimes the weird combo of bs vig is better

[strange python]

uh I think you'll find it was a DUMB response, said so himself

[tawdry sparrow]

How comes i dont fit 3 envenoms in my shiv window? Do i sit at max combo points and max energy before shiving or what?

[slow marsh]

No

[balmy condor]

Because you’re a normal ass person with normal ass gear doing normal ass things

[main wharf]

slam the damn shiv when its up no matter how many envenoms u gettin in

[rocky pecan]

alot of ass here

[strange python]

theres a level of unprecedented double entendre there. And I'm proud

[slow marsh]

Thats next to impossible without MfD. Just hit shiv on CD unless your coolies are in 12s or less

[balmy condor]

If anyone in here is able to get 3 envenoms into every single shiv window, while casting shiv on cooldown

Please let me know so I can fix the sims

[tawdry sparrow]

Lol ok 😂 thanks..

[zinc frost]

I can, but a magician doesn’t reveal his secrets

[south belfry]

i get 6

[slow marsh]

What if I only get 1

[sick scarab]

to get 3x envenom on shiv windows you hazve to pool energy.. and not always happens

[drowsy hollow]

eh, dungeon slice still prefers Elaborate Planning

for me at least

[slow marsh]

Makes sense. Multiple targets means ep Vigor every time

[south belfry]

As it should

[cinder geode]

some dude said dungeon slice is useless is that acutally true?

[strange python]

that would be some mad robot pooling skills

[balmy condor]

Dungeonslice is fantastic for rogues

[slow marsh]

Dslice is useless if you don't have Pog apl writers

[drowsy hollow]

Take it with a grain of salt, but in general it's not bad to see what a mix of cleave/aoe/boss damage

[slow marsh]

Thankfully we do

[cinder geode]

this dude asked for a recommendation for aoe talents and i recommended simming dslice and he said hed rather have nothing

[balmy condor]

Sims already got mad robot pooling skills

[balmy condor]

And this person is a rogue?

[zinc frost]

He better not be

[cinder geode]

nope demon hunter

[slow marsh]

Oh ok

Well

[zinc frost]

That makes SO much sense

[balmy condor]

Wait demon hunter is fine in dslice too

[slow marsh]

That explains it

[balmy condor]

Koji does havoc stuff

[drowsy hollow]

I personally avoid the DH discord... it's not a fun place.

[cinder geode]

i was the only person who replied to him and he said i wasted his time by reading it LOL

[vestal wren]

koji maintains the havoc module, i am not sure if he does a lot of apl work for them

[balmy condor]

Ah

[balmy condor]

Felhammer

[cinder geode]

demon hunter discord is a very toxic place ive found

[balmy condor]

Peak shitposting

[slow marsh]

Absolutely

[drowsy hollow]

Well that's what happens when it's an edgelord class. "I AM MY SCARS"

[vestal wren]

wasn't tankchat the worse, not sure if that changed

[balmy condor]

The fuck is tankchat

[cinder geode]

i was chilling in havoc not sure how bad veng was

[drowsy hollow]

I don't think I could play Sin without Alacrity. I love my haste too much

[slow marsh]

Im almost ashamed that I was DH main in EP. But I only played like a month and was a total shitter

So its whatever

[vestal wren]

a discord that was aimed for tank talk but developed into something lets call it unique

[cinder geode]

not many classes get free permanent 10% of their favourite secondary stats i wouldnt either

[slow marsh]

I mean our talents could use some sprucing up but I'm not mad about them as a whole. Other classes are much worse off

[drowsy hollow]

I'm playing Sin mostly cause I'm sad that I don't have my shadow dot on Sub anymore. I was a weirdo who loved the shadowblade fantasy.

[slow marsh]

Well

They have an ability now

Called shadowblades

[kind veldt]

How is everyone leveling their shards? 3-1-1, 4-2-2?

[slow marsh]

Just saying

You level shards equally

For set bonus to level up

[kind veldt]

Not that

Off pieces

Off dps pieces

[slow marsh]

Ah

[cinder geode]

i used to play sub the most but once i tasted outlaw and sin i couldnt go back

[slow marsh]

I'm pretty sure those don't matter as much until your set is max

[balmy condor]

Everything to 3 and then set bonus to 5 personally

[slow marsh]

But someone smarter might answer

[balmy condor]

3 is fairly cheap

[drowsy hollow]

I know they do, but I'm not a fan of rupture and poisons on the spec, 😄

[slow marsh]

Thank you

[cinder geode]

was falling asleep shadow strike shadow strike evis shadow strike shadow strike evis

[balmy condor]

I don’t think there’s like an “optimal” way to do it

[arctic walrus]

All to 3 delays your 5 bonus tho

[slow marsh]

Rank 3 is only like 30 total or something right?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but the gain per Stygia from bek to 3 at least is pretty sick

[slow marsh]

Yeah bek is big I have mines 3

And it was cheap

[arctic walrus]

Not this again man

Who the fuck is bek

[slow marsh]

The execute one

Red. Rank 3 +3% damage to targets you have more than 50% health than

Something like thT

[kind veldt]

@balmy condor yeah, was thinking about doing that..

[fiery fable]

is it worth to craft a dashing scoundrel? and if so, where would i craft it? the back piece?

[balmy condor]

Friend of rez

;)

[slow marsh]

Define worth

And the answer is

[drowsy hollow]

One patch they'll massively buff Tiny Toxic Blade. 😄

[slow marsh]

Psh

Yeah right after they buff master poisoner talent

[rocky pecan]

personnaly with 33% crit frost sim 1k less prolly will take another look later on the patch

[tawdry sparrow]

I am quite new to sin so dont kill me for asking.. do i use finishers at 4 cp or do i overcap cp?

[slow marsh]

Never overcap

Finish at max-1

[balmy condor]

Praise faq

[arctic walrus]

You can Read the guide and faq

[slow marsh]

Dang our faq is so good

And people still don't read it

[tawdry sparrow]

Yikes srry i guess 🤷🏻

[balmy condor]

All good

Just a lot of basic questions stumble through these halls

[slow marsh]

Btw speaking of basic I wanted to figure out a way to make mikanikos good for sin but it's impossible

[drowsy hollow]

Alas, no one does. Bears have our stuff in pins and we have stupidly detailed wowhead guides. 😄

Still commonly asked questions

[sudden canyon]

hi im new do i use stealth?

[gloomy rose]

how does one upgrade the set effect, does it get better if I upgrade all three shards or can I max one?

[sudden canyon]

how do you say never overcap but use at max-1

what if youre at max-2 could overcap with mutliate idk

[slow marsh]

Never overcap

Finish at max-1

Just like that

[sudden canyon]

lucky crit

[drowsy hollow]

Cause of rng you can't always hit exactly 5/6 CPs. If you end up max-1 just use a finisher

[balmy condor]

We don’t play around seal fate

(Which is the crit cp)

[sudden canyon]

i was looking at my gray parse today

really studying it

[slow marsh]

Oh boy here we go

[sudden canyon]

and i came to conclusion

that i dont melee swing enough

[drowsy hollow]

?

[balmy condor]

You don’t melee swing enough

…

[sudden canyon]

and im tryna figure out how much of that was me being dumb and how much was me doing mechanics

[balmy condor]

I mean how many swings we talking bout

[sudden canyon]

well i was comparing my melee hits to other parses at the same kill time. and there was well over 100 hits on avg

didnt check for shammies tho

[balmy condor]

What’s your slice/gar/rup uptime

[sudden canyon]

99/72/70.

its painsmith

i think maybe cause i do balls and strafe instead of backpedal

so im prolly not meleeing

[abstract wagon]

Is it just me or does the P.O.S.T trinket seem to be doing a lot of damage looking at logs, comparing it to phial

[slow marsh]

That's not why

[wild beacon]

set bonus is based on the lowest one

so upgrade all evenly

[balmy condor]

Hm

[gloomy rose]

thought so, thanks!

[slow marsh]

Post trinket has mastery instead of AGI so yeah

[sudden canyon]

i gotta rebind my backwards move key

[slow marsh]

No you don't

I don't have backpedal bound

You don't need jt

You're not greyparsing because of balls I guarantee it

You might greyparse cuz you die to balls. But not because you didn't do enough damage to it

[rocky pecan]

on hc ?

[sudden canyon]

how many people strafe on balls

[south belfry]

I backpedal lol

[rocky pecan]

i dont even touch balls

[slow marsh]

It literally doesn't matter

[sudden canyon]

yea it was hc

[south belfry]

Fok gives almost always instant 5cp on balls so its alot of damage

[wild beacon]

door of shadows over the top then hit from behind if not already gone

[rocky pecan]

Fok isnt "meleing"

[slow marsh]

Are you playing sin ?

[sudden canyon]

me? yes.

i pressed feint 4 times. dps loss smh

[slow marsh]

You should never be off boss

Ignore balls

[balmy condor]

I backpedal balls

:(

[south belfry]

Backpedal gang

[slow marsh]

Fan of knives when you go through for cp to pump into boss

But I can assure you're probably greyparsing because either you die or you aren't on boss enough

[sudden canyon]

tomrrow on reset ill greed it out and my parse will go from gray to green. its gonna be lit guys

[slow marsh]

I mean it's not about greeding really, it's knowing your role

[south belfry]

But also if you dont have 3 set yet it also affects your logs

Just like in 8.3 logs are a bit inflated atm because of 3 set being so good

[slow marsh]

Sin isn't hard. You keep dots up and hit shiv on cd

If you're doing that to boss and not dying you should be green at least

Unless you have buns gear

Like actual buns

[slow marsh]

The whole backpedal vs non backpedal thing is so annoying imo

[balmy condor]

I mean a lot of things are annoying

[slow marsh]

True

But they aren't necessarily as pointless as that argument

[shy dust]

That’s not true

Whatsoever

[shy dust]

Stutter step gang

[balmy condor]

People saying they’re running out of keys

[shy dust]

Back peddle always has its uses

[balmy condor]

Have to unbind S so I can bind blind target 3 in my arenas man

[arctic walrus]

I am out of key binds

[balmy condor]

Can’t be done

[sudden canyon]

i dont think my gear is buns. its not great but def not "buns". depending on ur prespective i guess.

[balmy condor]

Do you have a set bonus

[sudden canyon]

no 😦

[balmy condor]

Hm

HMMMM

[sudden canyon]

have 3 shadow no helm tho

either one

[wild beacon]

don't hate the player hate the game

[slow marsh]

I have s as trinket /shrug

But I've never played with backpedal

[sudden canyon]

i have too much good keybind real estate used for dumb shit like mounts, or toys i use often

i use s for poisions lol

kept 'x' as sit for the teabag tech

very important

[rocky pecan]

😒

[sudden canyon]

's' is lethal poision and logically shift+s would be non-lethal poision. but its glider.

[wise gull]

interesting choices

[rocky pecan]

i havent bind poison

like

[wise gull]

poison clicker gang

[rocky pecan]

1H cd

why would

[slow marsh]

Welp

[tacit wedge]

Each day that goes by, i'm closer of taking the Venthyr pill wash dem bones skelly boi

[sudden canyon]

exactly. like i said i use too much good keybind real-estate for dumb shit

[vestal wren]

@balmy condor just some imput to your latest pin:

• it seems that outlaw also sims higher with frost (at least when i did a sim yesterday)
• frost set seems buggy so its possible that even if it sims currently better that a real world use is undaviced.
  I am not sure how up to date you are on this topic.

sim for outlaw: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9um3NkBuwhNgZECgr9nM1V

[wise gull]

if you recognize that just change it

[quaint carbon]

does celestial guidance / sinful revel slot matter main hand or off hand ?

[wise gull]

you'll be used to it in less than a week

[slow marsh]

Time to reroll outlaw?

[vestal wren]

no, the point is that frost could be currently bait given that the implementation in simc does not consider its quirks/bugs

[sudden canyon]

fuck it im hard commiting

[slow marsh]

I was jk but yeah Koji was saying there might be some bug with it too

[vestal wren]

so tl;dr: don't use it currently, its busted

[slow marsh]

I mean

[sudden canyon]

busted has positive connotations now

[slow marsh]

Imo there hasn't been any real evidence of it being broken from what I've seen so far. It makes sense to me that it's better, but I do eagerly await the verdict

[vestal wren]

i think the pin is a nice writeup on why/how it could be good but it may misslead people is my fear

[gloomy knoll]

i'm not touching that shit until i'm done with unholy

regardless

[sudden canyon]

sooooo hows it on AOE tho

[gloomy knoll]

still trying to find when doomblade loses to obedience

cuz my sims got obedience poopoo for sin

[sand sigil]

wellllll more haste/crit = more cp = stacks = more vers right?

[balmy condor]

You don’t think the all bold or the point in the tldr as a warning is a warning?

[slow marsh]

I just don't get all the skepticism I guess

Its a set bonus that works with crit

[balmy condor]

?

[slow marsh]

And a leggo that boosts crit

[balmy condor]

Because the set bonus is fucking silly in how it works

It’s bugged to shit

[slow marsh]

Vs a massive main stat boost that only has 10% uptime

[balmy condor]

That’s the whole reason I wanted to avoid talking about it in the first place

[gloomy knoll]

unholy is hyper omega giga powerful

and it has permanent uptime what

[balmy condor]

But people like you started getting suspicious

And mentioning it

[slow marsh]

Well

IM SORRY OK

[balmy condor]

And then I gotta make a statement

And then now my statement with a huge explanation and a warning that it’s buggy

Is not enough warning that it’s buggy

[gloomy knoll]

trying to hide the power gains for youself can't fool me whispyr

[slow marsh]

If it's not actually holding 6% of damage on a given crit up to a cap, then blasting for the total amount each 20 seconds then I'll concede that maybe it's bugged

But from logs I've seen it blasts

[balmy condor]

I was happily sweeping this shit under the rug and pretending it doesn’t exist

But then I got like 6 people in a week

[slow marsh]

That's why I'm skeptical against the skepticism

[balmy condor]

Like hey

Frost?

[balmy condor]

It literally just doesn’t trigger half the time tho

[sudden canyon]

2 frost shard gang

[slow marsh]

Ok then

[gloomy knoll]

the real secret tech

[sudden canyon]

no dagger gang

[gloomy knoll]

is frost set + dashing + decanter + eye trinket

all in on crit

[slow marsh]

If it's not actually triggering on every crit then I concede

[balmy condor]

Like it’ll trigger on a melee, but the mutilate won’t

And then the next mutilate queues differently

And it’ll trigger on the mut

And not the melee

And then it’ll trigger on trinkets but not all of them? And only sometimes?

[vestal wren]

i actually think people look at it and think its fine to use if they sim it

[gloomy knoll]

what's the frost set even do

[balmy condor]

Pools a % of your crit damage and then explodes

[gloomy knoll]

o

that's kinda neat

[balmy condor]

But it’s got like an internal cooldown or something

And it caps out

[gloomy knoll]

less neat

[balmy condor]

So like a 120k arcane barrage is 600 to the pool

[split trellis]

So, what's the best M+ legendary for assa?

[balmy condor]

And a 5k envenom is also 600

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[pseudo hamlet]

According to sims it's Obedience.

[sudden canyon]

zoldyck

[split trellis]

And if you play necro assa?

[pseudo hamlet]

Though I'd consider Zoldyck, because it's "easier" to use.

[slow marsh]

Yes but then all those juicy poison tick crits are also 600

[split trellis]

Necro legendary is not better than Zoldyck?

[sudden canyon]

raidbots.com

[soft shale]

nope

[slow marsh]

That's the whole crux behind my poking around with it in the first place. But yeah I mean if it's not pricing when it should and being inconsistent across the same abilities and interactions then I for sure get how it can lead to certain tcers pulling out their hair

[balmy condor]

I mean people will look at bloodmallet, or herodamage, or sim themselves without looking at the pins, like people have been, and questioning it

People came to the conclusion before the pin, people came to the conclusion with the pin, and they will continue to come to the conclusion until we know how strong it actually is

Aside from saying it’s bugged as fuck in two different places, in full bold

Idk what you want me to do

[slow marsh]

I would happily volunteer to be the live test subject but half my guild is booty cheeks and we refuse to sit people for progression all of a sudden and so it might be a week or two before I can get relevant logs for you guys to see

[balmy condor]

Koji already looked at logs and tested in torg

[vestal wren]

i won't interfear with how you handle it

but the current conclusion would be "don't use it at all" rather than "sim it"

[balmy condor]

But he basically looked at it and said “lmao broken Idk what it’s supposed to do blizzard pls fix”

[vestal wren]

if you want to keep it up, do so

[gloomy knoll]

lol outlaw says

go frost

in their pins

the shit storm has only just begun

[vestal wren]

saying "it works akwardly" is not stating that it oversims

[slow marsh]

Ye I actually agree outlaw had frost bis before I was asking about pairing it with dashing

A day before but still before

[vestal wren]

also its not a phrase that would stop me personally from simming/using it if its stated in bold at the tl;dr

i just state this because others in this discord came to me asking me to unpin it, what i won't do

[gloomy knoll]

maybe sylv dagger is what makes obedience good

lemme try that jont

[balmy condor]

Send those individuals to me, since it’s my pin, and my responsibility, and I will be more than happy to talk to them about it

Not sure why anyone is coming to you asking to unpin something you had no part in

But I’m sorry you had to deal with that