assassination

[alpine latch]

I flask, armor kit, food buff

And I get dominated

[pine grove]

I go in with just my poisons.

[alpine latch]

Cool dude, glad it's working for you.

[pine grove]

Think I may go halfway and just swap BS for EP for now, as that's an increase anyway and see how it goes.

No, sorry, I meant to say I go in with my poisons. There must be something off with your strat if you're higher ilvl and better prepped.

What kind of powers you going for? Got your cube sorted?

How much do you pull? You playing as sin?

[alpine latch]

I feel like my choices are always shit

I miss being a Necrolord

It made Torghast so much better

[spice spire]

Also @pine grove difference for me:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/duM33EoaxkPDa4d3au9pVC

[dim ledge]

I mean tbh just play sub in torghast no?

[spice spire]

Vigor/EP diff shrinking daily

[spice spire]

With leeching, sin is actually pretty good for Torghast

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I never run leeching. I'll try that tonight.

[spice spire]

[alpine latch]

I might just try to get some guildies to run it with and stop trying to solo

[pine grove]

Not sure if you are, but basically ignore the timer and focus on smaller pulls. Timer can basically be ignored.

[spice spire]

Yeah if you’re going for 5s, solo can be a bit harder on 11s

[pine grove]

Without seeing the run there's not much I can say, but LP will definitely help.

[alpine latch]

I just need to 4* it

I don't care about grinding AV for 1 conduit upgrade a week

[spice spire]

Even 4s. Completion is STUPID ez

But going for score can be a bit harder solo 😛

[alpine latch]

10 was a breeze, 11 not so much

But maybe it was just the wings last week

I got hit powers and was just getting wrecked

[spice spire]

Takes all defensived and Preplanning 😛

[pine grove]

Good to see. I'm with you. I think EP/Vig will be the coziest. Not as much waste due to BS and the bad timing but still have the comfort of the increased energy cap.

The wings were pretty crappy last week, to be fair.

[spice spire]

Idk what the floors even are this week, but I know soulforge is a no from me, chief

[coarse raven]

Hello!, anybody know why the 262 legendary has less stats than my 235 leggo? kinda worried crafting it incase s omething is " bugged"

[alpine latch]

Yeah, only having Vial as a self-heal sucks. I could definitely see it being easier with leeching poison

[strange python]

I run leeching for every single content I do

[wild birch]

Wait frost set is also better in dslice

[spice spire]

[strange python]

I meant solo content 😄

[spice spire]

You don’t get the set bonus in m+, also that’s hectic add cleave, not dslice 😛

[pseudo hamlet]

it's' the same legendary? Or one are pants and the other is cloak?

[rocky rain]

On fatescribe with crimson tempest, should I be spamming it while the little dudes are up, or just once to get the dot up?

and then evenom boss

[spice spire]

LMAO. That’s fair 😛

[alpine latch]

I was going to say - you don't run it in m+ and raid do you? lol

[coarse raven]

one is hands and the new one is cloak 🙂

[strange python]

of course not 😉

[pine grove]

Yeah. Need cheat death in raid so we can brain AFK mechanics.

[wild birch]

@spice spire Doesn't matter either way, frost set better than unholy everywhere

[spice spire]

Cheat death is just a defensive CD with no global

[spice spire]

True

[pseudo hamlet]

I think that cloaks have lower stats. Just checked them out in my sims.

[pine grove]

Gigabrain plays.

[coarse raven]

Aaah okay thank you!!

[spice spire]

It is, but gloves have Dom sockets 😦

[spice spire]

Just for the dot.

[fallen arch]

That’s fine, your new purple hands will have more stats

[rocky rain]

But I don't use it single target right?

[fallen arch]

Cloak will always have less stats than hands

[coarse raven]

Thank you so much 🙂

[fallen arch]

You do

[spice spire]

If you have it spec’d you maintain it single target outside of shiv windows.

[fallen arch]

Keep bleed up in pandemic outside of shiv windows

Jynx

[rocky rain]

ah ok

[spice spire]

When your shiv is up - envenom is a gain. Otherwise maintaining CT is good 🙂

[rocky rain]

oki ty

[tribal shuttle]

As per the pins obidience shows a bit higher, which legendary do I craft as a safer bet for assa on raids?

[wild birch]

Doomblade

Works with every covenant

[tribal shuttle]

but with venthr?

[pine grove]

I'd go Doomblade for ease, as fun as Obedience looks.

[wild birch]

You said safer choice

[spice spire]

Then you’d do obedience. Sims higher, whispyr good simmer

[tribal shuttle]

ah ok sounds fair. Thanks!

[wild birch]

Doomblade is safe choice, obedience if you're not planning to switch

[alpine latch]

I went haste/crit Obedience. It's what, 2 rank 6s every 5 weeks? I'll have one of everything eventually.

Obedience is decent for raid and m+, and I can always make a crit/vers one in a few weeks if I swap to Sub.

[spare viper]

Shud I always use shiv only on 4-5 combo points? just curious since checking sim sample ability log and its not there. Might be stupid question just new to rogue

[spice spire]

Not stupid at all - you should try to avoid overcapping as possible with shiv, but if it comes off CD, we slam it

[pine grove]

I sometimes use it on 3. I have no idea if this is correct.

[spice spire]

Any shiv slammers in chat

Even at 3, 4, 5. Just press the button, do dam

[sand sundial]

finally got any weapon in m+ Pog https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9DETiDvGpCDbFt5JYXaise

[strange python]

I slam shiv so hard when off cd my keyboard breaks

[pine grove]

Yeah. Running WPS means that shiv needs to live on cooldown.

[limber lion]

[worn geyser]

Sylvanas weapon still bis?

[next dune]

Yup I got one of those big red buttons on my desk that I specifically use to slam shiv

[topaz saffron]

Wish Echoing reprimand was a little bit more interesting, but helps getting all 3 envenoms in on a shiv window I suppose

[limber lion]

Even without WPS

[pine grove]

Fair.

[spice spire]

Yep

[pine grove]

I can't tell if you're joking but that would legit be a fun way to play.

[topaz saffron]

Any of ya'll using WPS on Tyrannical Weeks and swapping to Poisoned Katar on Fortified? X

[strange python]

yeah like those streamer decks but every button is bound to shiv 😄

[limber lion]

WPS every week personally.

[spice spire]

I’m a lethal poison peasant tbh

[subtle otter]

when playing with internal bleeding talent, is it worth weaving in a kidneyshot for the dmg or is it a waste of CP and energy on raidbosses?

[limber lion]

Waste

[spice spire]

Can’t stun raidbosses

[limber lion]

Never

Ever

[spice spire]

Answer still no

[topaz saffron]

Waste

[limber lion]

Use Kidney on a boss

[subtle otter]

yeah I know I cant stun raidbosses but didnt know if the dmg still was applied

[spice spire]

Also wasting a finisher for marginal gain, not worth, unfortunate

[next dune]

Yup I use WPS, Obedience, Dauntless Duelist. You still can't go wrong using zold and Lethal, but meh, I'm all about that boss and Torment lieutenant damage

[subtle otter]

WPS? 😄

[pine grove]

Hmm. I was planning on getting Doomblade since it sims just a tiny bit behind and is a lot safer, but I didn't think of M+ and Obedience being good there. Worried about Obedience waste in raids, thoush.

[pine grove]

Well-Placed Steel.

[next dune]

Well placed steel conduit

[subtle otter]

cheers

[pine grove]

Nice having it at 252 as well.

[dark jewel]

does obedience get better with renown or something, cause on ST doomblade still sims higher for me

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ke9yxnR1ATcS3A2XVDvUSE

is sylv dagger simming properly?

i was expecting waaaaay more

[twin prism]

why is everyone still using doomblade and not obedience, im talking about the top rogues in warcraft logs

[alpine latch]

Because Obedience is a very, very minor upgrade at best.

And a downgrade at worst

[next dune]

Because my garbage 5% versatility in raid gear laughs in Obedience buff

[twin prism]

Aha okay, and I have enough soul ash to craft one legendary, which one should it be?

[alpine latch]

Only one? Probably Obedience

It's good for m+ and raid

It's basically equal to doomblade in ST and very similar to Zoldycks for dungeonslice

[halcyon cloud]

!shard

[radiant fossil]

Guys, is it wrong to craft obedience with crit/vers for assassination ? Because im playing sub in m+ and i'll probably play sub on raznal and guardian.

[alpine latch]

No, Crit/Vers is recommended if you're swapping

[pine grove]

Crit/vers is decent for sin. Vers sims higher than haste for me, sometimes. Just avoid mastery.

[radiant fossil]

maybe a better question would be is crit/vers on assa is better than crit/haste on sub

[pine grove]

I'm looking to go this route, but worried that Obedience could be a loss over Doom with poor usage. How often do you find that's the case in a raiding environment?

[spice spire]

Yes

[twin prism]

Thats what im thinking as well honestly @pine grove

[spice spire]

Haste not dog on sub, but crit and vers are fine stats for us too

[alpine latch]

You just hit Flag on CD (unless you can hold it for Vendetta and it'll be the last cast of the fight). You shouldn't have poor usage outside of fucking up your opener (which I regularly do)

[haughty steeple]

Lads which legendary should I use as Necrolord for m+

[alpine latch]

Zoldycks

[haughty steeple]

got zodlyck and doomblade

[spice spire]

Yep zold

[pine grove]

Heh. Same here man. I only just found out we should Flag after Vend. I mean, it makes sense, but I didn't even consider.

Good to hear. My main concern was things like Painsmith making the CDR portion of the legendary weaker due to the extended time away from the boss.

[haughty steeple]

oh ty

[alpine latch]

You have the same downtime on Painsmith regardless of your legendary choice

[winged basin]

Guild one shot every boss up to Fate last night so Fate and KT then 2 full raid days of mythic prog, let’s goooooo

[alpine latch]

How many nights a week do you raid?

[spice spire]

Sylvanas prog when?

[alpine latch]

October?

[spice spire]

Lmfao

[winged basin]

I’d love to know when I’ll get heroic sylv too

[pine grove]

Sorry. What I meant was if my legendary would bring up Flag just before he transitions, so I have to wait to use it, where I'm in the same spot if I didn't have Obedience at all, if you know what I mean. Sort of resulting in no extra casts. Only one fight really, so probably not something to worry about.

[alpine latch]

I 1-shot Sylv in normal with a pug group that only had one person who killed her the week before.

normal Sylv is pretty easy

[spice spire]

Heroic sylv

[winged basin]

They aren’t prio’ing sylvanas cause they would rather spend the time progging mythic

[spice spire]

BiS dagger tho

[alpine latch]

We're only 4/10H and we lost a healer (and another healer is on vacation this weekend), so I doubt I get more than 4/5 bosses down this week 😢

[winged basin]

“Everyone needs something from sylvanas but we would rather spend the time progging 3/10”

[spice spire]

My guild just implemented the be above 220 or benched after the nine

[pine grove]

Am I crazy to be going for the necklace here? Great Vault sort of screwed me this week.

[spice spire]

Which means GM livid

[winged basin]

Uh oh

Well I’ve been getting sat all the time and I’m top dps in raid lmao

[alpine latch]

My guild's minimum is 226. I'm pushing for 235 by the end of the week (Started at 226 and I'm 229 now)

[spice spire]

Do you have shoulders already @pine grove ?

I’m 232 currently

[pine grove]

Normal ones, but better stats. The vault ones have mastery.

[alpine latch]

I can't get weapons to drop 😢

[winged basin]

I’m 234, no dom socket, 220 daggers parsing 90+

[spice spire]

But my guilds casual and Ive never seen that before

[pine grove]

233 Kel shoulders.

[spice spire]

I don’t hate the chest and just replacing if push comes to shove tbh

[pine grove]

But we're also clearing M Tarra, so I could get those in 252.

[winged basin]

252 tarragrue shoulders

[spice spire]

I got 3 pieces (all trades) from our normal run which means 0 pieces in heroic tonight let’s fucking go boys

[loud mason]

when simming for st what settings do i use on timer patchwork ?

[gusty mirage]

It’s kinda hard to be below 220 at this point lol

[scenic osprey]

is normal slyvanas daggger going to be better than a 252 m+ ?

[pine grove]

I doubt MH, probably not OH but sim.

[winged basin]

I got a piece off painsmith, then got another piece off guardian

So ain’t no way in heck I get my fate helm this week

[gusty mirage]

I believe

[winged basin]

3 pieces back to back?

Nah

Maybe on my normal clear Thursday 😐

[gusty mirage]

That’s what I said, I have 3 sim pieces and 3 shards (2 unholy, including 1 dyz, and the frost dps one)

It can happen

[warped heath]

Is this the right place to ask for help with logs? I parsed 22 for iLevel on guardians last night and would love some feedback.

[gusty mirage]

Yeah just throw it in here and people will look. But don’t worry too much about ilvl parses

[next dune]

People earlier were saying 252 main hand, Sylv dagger offhand. Obviously sim, and I can't confirm facts, but that's what I've been hearing from people who've got the dagger drop as of now anyway

[warped heath]

I mostly use it as an indicator I can improve, and look for help.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cGaQkN6WH8vdr71x#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=7

[twin prism]

Why are people still running doomblade even though obedience is an improvement? Also is doomblade strictly better than dashing scoundrel for ST?

[scenic osprey]

from the sim looks like ob works for sub better on ST ?

[winged basin]

I got 3 unholy shards all at rank 3 and ready to ROLL and unluggy me cannot get a helm, I really shouldn’t say unluggy with 3 other dom pieces though. I know some who have none.

[magic gale]

how many item levels does the effect of edge of night beat in general?

[spice spire]

I 100% agree - Ive been fairly unlucky with only 4 pieces across at least 29 12+s and I’m 232. One dude is exempt because he was caught in the Texas storms on vacation and got stuck since beginning of xpac. But we have like 3-4 people that are just chilling at 210

Pretty sure that guy is also 221 now from 216 last xpac

[scenic osprey]

increase the ppl pool so u dong stick with certain lol ?

[winged basin]

210!???

[scenic osprey]

no rogue sadly

[spice spire]

Yeah

Casual guild, don’t expect to consistently be on the grustle, but 210 is just

[winged basin]

Yeah I definitely caught the casual part, but you don’t even gotta play the game to be 210

[pine grove]

Yeah man. You can get higher than that by just dicking around in Korthia and having a legendary.

[winged basin]

Don’t m0s give like 215 now?

What a goober

[scenic osprey]

if they done anything in korthia should be above 220 now lol

[pine grove]

I get shit on for being the lowest in my guild and basically avoiding almost all M+ and I'm still 227.

[scenic osprey]

After 252 dagger finally got me to 232 still cant get into pug +14 keys lol

[spice spire]

Pugging is pain

[scenic osprey]

pugging is good to reduce down time

assuming your play time is same reduce downtime increase your ilvl lol

[hollow river]

Because doomblade is fine for assassination. And for some people obedience could be a dps loss. You have to sim yourself to see which is best for you right this second.

[spice spire]

My usual day of wow consists of working for the first 10 hours (cring) driving home, making dinner, going korthia > group content until 11ish, wake up at 5 to do it again.

[hollow river]

Even in 252 gear with full dom shards, obedience is barely an increase in pure ST for sin

[spice spire]

Some days I take it off and spend time with my significant other. Ruining the grustle :/

Guild has been a lot better about running keys, so pugging hasn’t been a nerd

[scenic osprey]

from my observation ppl play a lot whos gear still fall behind is because of too much down time wauitting for groups ?? As a dps class, gear fallen behind would cause to fall behind more as time goes lol

[scenic osprey]

get the other to play is way lol

[hollow river]

Gotta find a good guild to run keys and raid with

[spice spire]

That’s korthia time

[scenic osprey]

that too

[solid venture]

[hollow river]

You kinda have to go up the ladder of guilds, continue to improve yourself until you outgrow each guild and move up the ladder

[echo geyser]

anyone progressing as sin using obedience?

[hollow river]

I’m using doomblade

[echo geyser]

i wonder if its easy to "underperform" the sims with it

[hollow river]

Gonna try obedience after this week of Torghast. On sin and sub.

[echo geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oKULr4hxfCmWuasMBDJmQ

like the diff was 0.9%

but idk if u might lose even more if u pop flag at wrong time or so

[hollow river]

Check out the APL of your sim

[alpine latch]

Holy shit... I just cracked a 7k sim and you're almost 9k 😢

[echo geyser]

what am i looking for?

[hollow river]

Make sure you’re using everything correctly

[spice spire]

He has unholy set bonus chief

[alpine latch]

That makes me feel better...

lol

[spice spire]

I don’t think everyone realizes how many stonks there are there

[hollow river]

Unholy set bonus is like 1k dps

[mint narwhal]

for tyrannical this week , are you guys running obedience or Zoldick

or doomblade

[echo geyser]

@hollow river what aam i looking for in the apl

[mint narwhal]

ive seen some doomblade

[alpine latch]

He's also 8 item level higher with much better weapons, so that's part of it as well

[hollow river]

I’d use zoldy or obe not doomblade

Only run doomblade on ToP maybe

[spice spire]

It depends on the level of the shards. It goes up to 1.8ish

[echo geyser]

i tried to get 236 daggers, almost 30 runs no luck tho @alpine latch

[spice spire]

Fuck

That’s pain

[echo geyser]

yeah now we just waiting for raid

normal / hc sylv daggers

[hollow river]

At rank 3 shards I’ve been seeing ~1k

[echo geyser]

or some garbage mythic/hc ones

[scenic osprey]

run with me i can loot for u lol i got 252 from vault

[sand sundial]

in which bosses is sub played instead of assa guys? or assa all bosses?

[hollow river]

Your rotation/CD useage

[spice spire]

@echo geyser is that +65 from a 262 Doomblade cloak?

[hollow river]

You can play either for all bosses

[spice spire]

Or just a 235

[echo geyser]

current equip is 235 doomblade

[hollow river]

Whatever one you play the best tbh

[pure moth]

Run with me. Lol. Ive run alot of dungeons and nothing.. im cursed

[spice spire]

The difference might actually be stats alone

[echo geyser]

above is 249 and 262 doomblade

[spice spire]

Ahhhhh

[echo geyser]

below is obedience 262

[spice spire]

Sorry, I’m on mobile!

[hollow river]

You know how to check your APL?

[sand sundial]

i play both pretty decent, but wnted to know if i should play sub in any boss

[scenic osprey]

the only class can loot agli dagger is rogue ?

[echo geyser]

nope, but u mean to look for how many stacks of flags it does?

[hollow river]

Check logs

[echo geyser]

cause i know the general rotation at least

[hollow river]

No

[narrow ravine]

3 frost, 2 blood 0 unholy, im living the dream boys, unholy is literally going to be the last ones I find.

[hollow river]

On your sim go to the HTML report

And find the ACtion Priority List

It lists every ability, in order of what the sim uses for its 5 minute sim

[echo geyser]

yeah and what am i looking for exactly

[scenic osprey]

so before yesterday my sim was ~ 4700

now

[hollow river]

Everything?

Check if it always lines flag up with vendetta on the 3rd use, check the opener etc

You asked if it’s easy to underperform using obedience based on what your sim performs, so that’s something you can look at

[echo geyser]

i see

[hollow river]

Ye

[echo geyser]

i was told to just pop flag on cd

or rather line up while not losing casts

[hollow river]

I check it for diff leggos and diff specs to make sure I’m opening and using CDs correctly

[hollow river]

Yeah that’s the general rule

Just saying the APL is something you could check

To make sure you’re not making any big/small mistakes etc

[spice spire]

This seems to be a pretty obedience friendly tier. Only bosses it might be sketch progging on is painsmith and fatescribe on

[echo geyser]

the apl says to flag > rup > vendetta but i been going vendetta flag rupture cause i thought it buffed flag dmg

[spice spire]

So like first five seem pretty decent

It does that’s very strange

[hollow river]

The general opener is flag rupture then vendetta

[spice spire]

Vendetta’ing right before a rupture might be int tho

[echo geyser]

idk i might just yolo r6 obedience even it might be tiny bit worse

[hollow river]

I don’t vendetta or shiv until my bleeds are up

[spice spire]

Send it king

You’re killing it rn anyway. Gives everyone else a chance

[echo geyser]

i just gotta make sure i dont pop flag then lose uptime

rest should be aight

literally noone uses obed on sin tho

[spice spire]

Oh yeah eye is a fight too. But should be good

That’s because sin is a boomer spec

Stuck in their own ways

[echo geyser]

ill just use obed for the "defensive" aspect

[spice spire]

It also could be worse, I’m unsure of that though

[hollow river]

A lot of people are simming better with doomblade still

[spice spire]

Yes of course

[echo geyser]

yeah noone sims better with obed

on st

[hollow river]

I’m only crafting it for sub tbh

Might use for the nine if it sims over doomblade

[echo geyser]

we can only craft another r5 next week right?

[scenic osprey]

would Outlaw work better for KT fight ? seems like adds live so short

[echo geyser]

cause its 1.1k

[hollow river]

Sin or sub is fine

Sub can shuriken storm adds and funnel eviscerate into boss

[stone gate]

Which poisons do you guys use?

[hollow river]

Or use BP to pad dps

[hollow river]

Deadly and numbing

[stone gate]

aight thx

[hoary fulcrum]

Can someone review my sin log on remnant? I really need advice to improve. I have about a 7.5% wasted energy, working on getting that as close to 0 as possible.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1Rvqzn2T93rXGyWN#fight=24&type=damage-done&source=7

[wild mural]

I can’t see your dot uptime on mobile but I can start by telling you that your opener is not correct.

You missed a shiv cast around 130s. Your shiv windows are generally pretty sad. Looks like you’re getting 1-2 envenoms only and mostly 1.

[fallen arch]

Also why do you run ep/ds

[wild mural]

Your 2nd vanish was done without shiv. It was available you just didn’t use it.

[fallen arch]

Either choose bs/ds or ep/vigor

[flat vine]

is he not using the wrong legendary for Raid as well?

[fallen arch]

No obedience is fine

[wild mural]

@hoary fulcrum you can see what I said above but you also garrote a lot right after you cast shiv which is probably why you can’t get many envenoms off. Sin is not a high apm spec. You can pool energy before you have damage windows and make sure you can get multiple envenoms off and enough juice to get good flags.

[fallen arch]

That’s the thing

[scenic thunder]

What you guys are planning to craft? Since we have 3 solid options to single target and dashing is simming preeetty high in aoe too (more than zoldyck kek)

[fallen arch]

Not if you run ep and ds

[buoyant venture]

Guys, how do you normally pool? I mean, during vendetta and shiv we just use all we got, outside of that we stand still autoattacking till we pool enough energy to envenom/rupture/garrote? If shiv coming off CD do I want to pool to maximum energy or close to it?

[fallen arch]

You lose out on a lot of cp/energy that way

[buoyant venture]

I did read the faq and pins, just wanted to clarify if I understood or not ahah

[amber mountain]

I'm going to upgrade Doomblade, but then, i'm Necro

[amber mountain]

Outside of those windows you follow your rotation and don't really pool. The only time to pool is when you're using vendetta and/or shiv

[fallen arch]

Hmm no

[amber mountain]

no?

[fallen arch]

You also wanna pool a bit for finishers

Especially when running ep

So you make sure your next sbs/muts fall in ep window

And for maximum envenom buff uptime

[wild mural]

It’s literally the first item in #assassination-faq

[amber mountain]

But isn't that normal rotation? Thatt's why i said you don't really pool, because to me pooling means hitting ~70% before doing anything

[fallen arch]

Just not in shiv windows, for which you pool beforehand

Yeah but that is the definition of pooling

[hoary fulcrum]

Thanks guys. Definitely a lot to improve on. What should a correct opener look like

[rocky pecan]

Is 33%crit 27%hast fine or missing a bit of crit? Sim tell me to keep hast gemm and ring enchant but idk

[wild mural]

Listen to your sim

[rocky pecan]

Well kinda weird but OK ok

[fallen arch]

Thats a fine crit number

Ur sim is probably right

What covenant?

[rocky pecan]

Is just strange like even je won't put a bit of vers or mastery 5% vers 15% mastery

Venthyr

With doom

[fallen arch]

?

[rocky pecan]

I got 5% vers and 15 % mastery

And for sim it's ok

So idk xd

[fallen arch]

Why wouldn’t that be ok?

[wild mural]

You need to trust your sim man the program runs millions of iterations for you

[fallen arch]

Don’t get too caught up on secondaries tho

[rocky pecan]

Idk I saw ppl with 30%mastery and like 20%vers

[fallen arch]

Yeah thats probably not out of luxury

[mild dagger]

20% vers is wild

[fallen arch]

I got way too much mastery on gear for instance

[rocky pecan]

Like almost every sin got like 21% hast

[fallen arch]

But they were all dps upgrades so what you gonna do

[harsh anchor]

Can’t really pick and choose what upgrades you get at the beginning of a tier.

[rocky pecan]

Yy agility is strong

[harsh anchor]

An upgrade is an upgrade

[fallen arch]

Ye so again, dont get too caught up on minmaxing secondaries now

[rocky pecan]

Got it

[mild dagger]

Ya for real if I’m replacing 207 with 239 or whatever it’s like almost 30 agility so the secondary is whatever

[rocky pecan]

Well you replace a shit tho...

Kek sorry

[scenic thunder]

Versa and mastery is good on mythic+ tho

[rocky pecan]

207 ilvl is like korthia gear

[mild dagger]

Yeah if it were closer I’d probably sim it

[scenic thunder]

Raiding crit and haste is better overall

[nimble tinsel]

Probably running off of high level pvp gear from last season like me lol

[mild dagger]

Like 226 to 239 i would sim

[mild dagger]

Yea ima keep it for sub spec but having mad vers as assassination seems sus lmao

[rocky pecan]

I got almost all gear with crit hast

[nimble tinsel]

I mean in CN if I had 226 haste/vers gear from pvp I'm not gonna snipe mythic drops from people with sub 226 gear lol

[rocky pecan]

Will see that later if I replace some gear

[nimble tinsel]

A lot less likely to happen this season since pvp gear is worse

[rocky pecan]

Well 2k1 is 246 no?

Not that bad it's end heroic tier

[mild dagger]

Ya my guilds still on heroic i was MS feral for awhile just swapped to rogue a couple weeks ago

[nimble tinsel]

Yea but 2.1k last season was literally mythic equiv gear

[rocky pecan]

Y

[mild dagger]

Pvp gear is alright for some specs idk about assass tho

[nimble tinsel]

I'm not saying I would use it this season

[fallen arch]

And you have to like, pvp

Yikes

[mild dagger]

There’s that pvp trinket that gives crit + on use agility idk how it stacks up to phial/that tazavesh trink tho

[gusty mirage]

Pvp badge is okay, nothing special but not terrible

[nimble tinsel]

It's resoundingly meh lol

[mint narwhal]

restealthing with Spiteful in keys is kinda .. i mean ,

how do you guys keep up with the fact that you cant stealth

playing Masterpoisonner instead of subterfuge?

[odd hazel]

you play the same build

[shell ivy]

wait where did the pins go

do u craft obe with crit haste?

[odd hazel]

#assassination-faq

[shell ivy]

oh shit

thats new

[next dune]

It's a pain in the ass. I usually go Outlaw on spiteful week, but gear this early doesn't make that an option yet. Still, use same build and just deal with it.

[odd hazel]

sin deals with it just fine

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[amber mountain]

Just, you know... don't let them hit you

[ruby gust]

whenever i sim it always says my poisons do the most dmg

but they never do

[fallen arch]

Details splits them

In ticks and instant

[bleak sun]

Ocrania/vers+mast shoulder /vers+mast wrist
I think i got trolled

[ruby gust]

yeah but even then, my melee always does more

even combined

my DoT feels weak

poisons at least

[signal badger]

Are you getting all your shivs off?

[twilit quiver]

giggity

[ruby gust]

i think that could be it, but i normally save my shiv for burst windows with enenom

rather than casting on cd

[shell ivy]

how come obe got ahead of doomblade now?

[signal badger]

If I remember correctly I believe it’s always best to shiv on cd, even if you have to reup rupture. Could be mistaken on this tho

[odd hazel]

ALWAYS slam shiv

[ruby gust]

shiv on cd then

[main wharf]

always keep shiv up unless like 10 sec to vendetta

[indigo flicker]

Why does the guides and sims tell me to use Obidience, when nearly most logs tell me ppl are playing with doomblades?

[ruby gust]

alright thanks for the advice - i'll try it on some dummies see if it helps

cuz im doing about 1k less than my sims

[signal badger]

Doom is easier to use, obi is newer and needs a good amount of combo points dumped to line up with vendetta every time

[main wharf]

do you have wft/bloodlust/consumes off?

[shell ivy]

have any of u crafted rank 5 legendary yet

[ruby gust]

good point - i'll try resim with that

[shell ivy]

i still cant decide doomblade and obe

[harsh anchor]

gang

[shell ivy]

man

this is hard to choose

[abstract flicker]

do i need to uopgrade every unholy for the socket bonus to be stronger or do i upgrade the dmg one and then dmg one from other blood/frost?

[keen dome]

The set power is based on your lower gem rank afaik

[quaint sequoia]

should have bought 262 base item for cloak leggo yesterday -.- went from 110k to 239k

What stats should I put on venth leggo?

[rotund wigeon]

bis trinket but boots with domi socket 😐

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7uEh7rXvhP6bQmiHqRX1yz

oh boi

should i really dodge the trinket for the domi socket boots?

[somber breach]

Do we have a list of best shard sets? It's unholy set + ...?

[rotund wigeon]

wowhead:

[somber breach]

Ty sir

[tidal gorge]

Sim, but if it will complete a set I would go for the socket personally. The set is a huuuuge boost.

[dull cloak]

i love how in the first week i got 3 shards, and all 3 are the utility ones

[solid venture]

I got all shards and 5 dom pieces

2 weeks into the tier, seems good

[quaint sequoia]

What stats should I put on venth leggo?

[rotund wigeon]

So, Status Quo is:

• I have only 1 Domi-Socket Item (Hands)
• Boots would give me 2 Domi-Sockets
• I have Oth and Zed Runes, but Dyz is missing
• I want to build the covenant Leggo, to play sub and assa
• With the Doomhide Glove Leggo, the Boots would be best
• Without the doomhide gloves, the BIS trinket

If I switch my gloves with my domi socket gloves and add the leggo cloak, the trinket is best obv.

[quaint sequoia]

just sim it?

[rotund wigeon]

ye, its the trinket. makes no sense to go for boots because my gloves will be changed anyways.

[tidal gorge]

If I had that choice and was not close to completing a set I would probably go with the trinket. I mean, it really just depends on what you think you'll get from raid this week. You can get the set bonus from normal gear since the set is what's valuable.

[quaint sequoia]

I never pick vault until after raid

[rotund wigeon]

yes

i think thats the most wise idea

tomorrow is our hc raid

[shadow wedge]

I play Sub for pvp, Assa single raid, Outlaw m+, Should I stay necrolord or should I switch to venthyr?

[quaint sequoia]

the renown grind is aids

[hollow river]

Kyrian for sub/outlaw Venthyr sin/sub

Gotta make a choice lol

Sin/outlaw necro

[shadow wedge]

stay on necro then, thanks

[mental trout]

Sim/outlaw necro is fine

[vital topaz]

i did it boys

[mental trout]

That’s what I’ve been running.

Grats slappy

I got a 252 dagger too just not the bis lol

[quaint sequoia]

I'm still stuck with a 190 dagger 😦

[tacit plover]

Hey guys from the updated sims,obedience is better than doomblade right?

With Nadija

[lost mist]

I have heroic sylv dagger and heroic guardian trkt, 5 dom sockets OH IM SO LUCKY BUT... 2 blood, 2 frost, 1 unholy shard. And i already burned my weekly chance to get the bonus :(

[shadow wedge]

You guys using phantom fire or agil prepot?

[lost mist]

If it says it, then its better, but it depends on how well u can play it

[lost mist]

Im not rng team, so im using agi one.

[tacit plover]

Does the rotation/gameplay change ?

[lost mist]

A bit, now u have cdr on flag so u will play a little around it

[tacit plover]

Ah a bit like ADR on outlaw?

[lost mist]

Idk what is adr, i hate outlaw :(

[tacit plover]

adrenaline rush!

[lost mist]

Oh, flag is more impactful than adr i think, adr is just "pop it"

[odd hazel]

you

do not change anything

about flag

use it on CD unless you know you'll miss a cast

obedience doesnt change that

[lost mist]

Is not that "basic". On average yes but what if u burn 2 cp more or less? U get lucky with your muts and u reach 30 stacks, then u get 21? Depending on the fight u will want to sync with vendetta or not. Yes, u have to pop it in cd, but i dont think "do not change anything"

[odd hazel]

we never reach 30 stacks

[lost mist]

I did

[odd hazel]

cool

doesnt change how you use flag

[lost mist]

Nice

Yes, it does

[odd hazel]

no

[barren vessel]

can you clarify what you mean by miss a cast, of what? monkey brain not comprehend

[odd hazel]

it does not

[lost mist]

Haha ok

[gusty mirage]

You only sync it if you won’t lose a cast of either. So if the RNG gods bless you with 30 stacks then sync away, but you’ll very rarely hit 30 stacks. I barely get there with 36% crit so

[lost mist]

That

[odd hazel]

so

what i've been saying

[lost mist]

I play iqd

31% crit plus iqd means 100% crit on vanish and like 52% without vanish

[barren vessel]

to me it just sounds like use it on CD unless vend is maybe 10 seconds away

[odd hazel]

^

this

unless its literally like

5 seconds

theres no reaso nfor you to not use on CD

you will not get 30 stacks every time

[lost mist]

Yes, it is, and that situation happens more or less often when u use obedience

Thats what i mean

[odd hazel]

i mean

i get 22 stacks consistantly

and its ony down to a little over a minute

so im not sure where you get it that often

[lost mist]

Hmm i get 28 stacks like 90% of the time

I play ep+vigor btw

[odd hazel]

i have 35% crit

i highly doubt you get it 90% of the time

unless you get some lucky crits back to back

Flagellation:

1. Get to max-1 cp (4 with vigor/mfd, 5 with deeper) before casting it
2. Sync with vendetta only if you will not lose a cast. The easiest way to do this is sync the last cast in a fight to the last vendetta. Syncing with Obedience is significantly easier, as generally you can sync every other flag to a vendetta.

[lost mist]

Maybe we play different, i dont have to lie, i get 28 constantly

[odd hazel]

just so we get this out of here

[lost mist]

Yeah, thats the usage of flag, and that situation happens more or less often with obedience, thats all lol

[odd hazel]

the play doesnt change though

thats alwyas been the case

[lost mist]

How can u eat that text that says "as generally you can sync every other flag to a vendetta"? If u get 22 stacks everytime?

[wild mural]

Text very tasty mmm

[lost mist]

00:05-01:13-02:21

U wont hold vendetta 21 sec, nor flag for 1:08

[harsh anchor]

Kind of a moot point to say your ~28+ stacks will change the rotation.

[quaint sequoia]

What stats should I put on venth leggo?

[lost mist]

Crit/haste if u will only play sin, crit/vers if u will play subt too

[modest glen]

So who is crafting R6 obedience today?

[lost mist]

Rich people

Lol

[odd hazel]

or a guild who cna make them

[thorny pond]

135k AStormrage

Not bad

[odd hazel]

^This though

[crystal delta]

Haste crit or haste vers for doomblade when i craft it?

[odd hazel]

Haste crit

[harsh anchor]

Stormrage bis AH

[odd hazel]

feels nice being ally

;^)

[thorny pond]

Yessir

[barren vessel]

they're like 500k on my server

[fallen arch]

135k is a bargain

[regal ledge]

Man really kinda want to take the daggert but apparently waist sims better

[odd hazel]

vers/mastery

gross

[regal ledge]

They're both vers mastery

[quaint sequoia]

yea the price for base items for leggos are to high

blizz needs to change something there

[odd hazel]

its not blizzards fault

why do people blame the mfor everything lmao

its literally people who plays the game fault

for the prices

[quaint sequoia]

less mats req less price

[odd hazel]

people control prices

my server

is 135k

some are 500k

its not blizz i promise

they are also BRAND new

so people can up charge for them

[quaint sequoia]

just put max price on stuff on ah

there blizz fixed it

[odd hazel]

not how an auction house works

[amber mountain]

Yeah, then you'd have hardly anyone crafting, because it takes work

[quaint sequoia]

should be vendor items for leggo crafting tbh

[amber mountain]

um, nope

there are people that literally "play" the AH

[odd hazel]

you could easily just go out and craft it yourt self

people watch the AH and up sell and down sell stuff all the time

[amber mountain]

Yep, spend the ~500k to train up the skill through the ranks, then get the rep for the upgrade items, then start crafting

[odd hazel]

like imagine a person has the cap gold

they could literally change how much the prices are alone

[amber mountain]

I sell stacks of veiled augment runes on Tuesday afternoon and Wednesday morning because their price is highest

[odd hazel]

buy all of them, and put them back up for x2 the price

[quaint sequoia]

yea, thats why on stuff like leggo mats blizz should put a max price

[amber mountain]

I'm nowhere near capped gold (i spend too much on stupid stuff) and even I will buy out a bunch of low price cherry pickers to repost at a more reasonable price

[odd hazel]

nah, stop asking to be handed stuff.

[amber mountain]

There is a max price. 999,999,999g 99s, 99c

(i may have too many/too few 9's)

[molten galleon]

Is there a Haste cap or a breakpoint where we are looking for ?

[odd hazel]

nope

just sim the gear as you get it

[quaint sequoia]

not asking to be handed stuff, u already need to grind the torghast mats for it

[odd hazel]

torghast isnt hard

wouldnt call it much of a grind

do it on 3 toons, send over all the ash

GG

what? 2 hours

try going out and grinding everything you need to make the plain legendarys

[amber mountain]

Torghast isn't a grind to me 😛

especially now

I've been hitting the Tower Knowledge cap on 3 characters since 9.1 because it's just fun

[odd hazel]

^

same here

[quaint sequoia]

they ruined torghast in 9.1

[odd hazel]

lol what

[quaint sequoia]

put fucking time pressure it that aswell

not everything need to be on a fucking timer

[odd hazel]

what? do you take 30 minutes to do a floor?

[quaint sequoia]

yes, since I used to do torghast while doing other stuff

[amber mountain]

Um, i DO take 30 minutes to do a floor with some guildies

[lost mist]

U answered yourself, thats why people play on AH and the base items are expensive.

[odd hazel]

time is barely an issue for torghast

[amber mountain]

and you know what? It doesn't hurt how much you earn, just whether or not you make it into the adamant vaults

[lost mist]

I will wait till are 150k on my serv

[odd hazel]

you can easily get rank 4 with out trying

if unlocking layers is the problem

[amber mountain]

That's exactly it Bugii, the prices are what the market can bear

[odd hazel]

Also: just get a group going

[amber mountain]

if people aren't paying it, the prices come down

if someone wants to move something, the prices come down

[odd hazel]

its silly to buy them as of now because they are brand new, they know people will pay the price for it. continue not buying it and they will be forced to lower it

[amber mountain]

When I say I do that, it's not like I'm ganking prices into the stratusphere, I'm literally making it so when I sell a 235 pair of leather pants it's not at a 90% loss

If you NEED it, pay for it, if you don't, wait and it'll come down

[odd hazel]

im gonna #off-topic it though so a CF doesnt hammer us

[azure flare]

Hammer them!

[amber mountain]

a 235 pair of pants on my server right now sells for ~1600-2000g which is LESS than it costs to make

[fallen arch]

Usually it’s a shadowblade

That does the hammering

[quaint sequoia]

I need it but cant afford it

[glass root]

guys is Dashing out of options for M+?

[fallen arch]

Again no dagger or phial in vault, sadge

[odd hazel]

anything good oz?

[fallen arch]

No

[spice spire]

Dashing is not super great for m+

[azure flare]

Zoldyk would do u much better for m+

[glass root]

Considering the new power champion thingy we get what if we spam Haste ? vers into crit and double champion?

[azure flare]

Still crap

[fallen arch]

Bunch of Ocarina’s and suboptimal heroic gear

[odd hazel]

venthyr bois ftw

[azure flare]

Samee brother

[glass root]

i still kinda want to test it ma man

[fallen arch]

Luckily I got shiny unholy shards

[odd hazel]

no obeidence

[spice spire]

One of the big buffs of it, is energy regen and in m+ we are often overcapped

[odd hazel]

?

[azure flare]

Id say if u have the ash for it, go for it

[fallen arch]

That’s gonna make me blast in raid tonight

[tidal gorge]

The hero of time, he lives among us

[glass root]

i feel like if u go for Haste Vers and then double champion anima power should work fine in M+

[twin prism]

I have a question about the rotation.

Do we try to keep the uptime of Elaborate Planning and/or envenom buff. As in do we wait an extra second or two before we use another envenom in our burst window, in order to have a better uptime in eleaborate planning / envenom ?

[fallen arch]

Rngesus will bless me at some point I guess

[fallen arch]

Pool before every envenom, except in shiv/vendetta window. Then you want as many envenoms as possible

[odd hazel]

i'll be honest, i dont ever think about pooling

prob should start doing that

[fallen arch]

Worry about mechanics first, then about pooling tho

It’s one of those things you do after you get comfortable with a fight

[twin prism]

pool for what?

[fallen arch]

Pool energy

[twin prism]

yeah for what reason?

[wild mural]

If you do the mechanics you will naturally pool 🤔

[fallen arch]

To keep envenom buff up and to launch your muts in ep window

That’s what u just asked about no?

[twin prism]

Aha yes. So we do try to keep our envenom buff up right? not the ep window?

[wild mural]

Oz just hit him with the faq

[fallen arch]

Check the pins and the faq

They explain it better than me

[magic gale]

anybody have this problem or exprience with this, when an encounter starts and i press muti from stealth it i get like a wierd delay on the combo points and then another delay on using them for snd or whatever, also happens during big pulls with fan of knives in dungeons, its really irritating.

[fallen arch]

Tbh

[twin prism]

Like lets say we have this situation. you have full CP, and ep is running off in 1 second and envenom in 2. Would you instantly use envenom, or wait another second and use envenom?

[lost mist]

Oh, theres a read the faq

[twin prism]

wheres the faq

[lost mist]

Nice

[iron orchid]

#assassination-faq

[wild mural]

It’s a channel in this discord about 3 channels up

[fallen arch]

Sounds like you have bad lag because of 20 ppl firing spells?

[twin prism]

ahh alright thanks lads

[magic gale]

maybe i dont know, is there anything on my end i can do about it?

[thin trout]

kek my simulated dps went up by 15% because ig ot the unholy bonus (be it wven wit hthe 220 bought gloves)

[magic gale]

its not fps lag, its not my connection either

[fallen arch]

Maybe try playing with lower settings? Idk

[magic gale]

i guess ill try, still happens in m+ aswell with 5 people, but well huge pack of mobs

[short ravine]

am i meant to line this up with Vendetta always or just use it on cd?

[fallen arch]

Or check if an addon could be causing it

Or a WA

[magic gale]

how would you go about doing that?

[fallen arch]

Disable/enable stuff and test on dummies I guess

[magic gale]

i dont really experience it with dummies and its a bit tough to do that during raids 😒

[wild mural]

You can run a quick sim of yourself with that trinket and see what the sim does but I’m pretty sure you’d use it on cd

When you can get full use out of it

[red pagoda]

vendetta probably doesn't affect the trinket in any way

[fallen arch]

Probably use on cd yes

[teal bloom]

Vendetta doesnt affect trinkets so no reason to synch

[magic gale]

oz also one thing is like being at 5 combopoints and pressing envenom and then muti, but it just skips envenom all together and then i hit muti on 5 combos

[short ravine]

i see, so the 30% dmg buff from vendetta doesnt work on trinks?

[wild mural]

Correct

[teal bloom]

Only abilities and auto attacks, yes

[wild mural]

Mhmm

[tidal gorge]

I could see the haste from flag potentially helping with that trinket, but it would depend on how proc rate is calculated I guess. Lines up pretty nice if not using obedience too

[short ravine]

guess id wait around 10-15 secs or so to line up with lust

doesnt blade flurry 😦

would have been sick

[hollow river]

Trinkets don’t usually work with anyone’s abilities.

Some of them scale off haste/vers and that’s about it afaik.

[twin prism]

whats a good wa recommandation?

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[twin prism]

besides these two?

[hollow river]

A lot of people use Afenars

I use Atrocity’s

But you have to give him that phat Twitchy P for it

[twin prism]

yeah i have atrocitys and i dont like it really

[hollow river]

What? Really?

[toxic quail]

literally insane

been using Atrocitys for years

[bright crescent]

Apologies if this is the wrong place to ask but whats the better covenant to go for a mix of raid and m+?

[hollow river]

Depends on spec

But sin is fine Venthyr or necro

Venthyr for raid priority. Necro for m+ priority.

[bright crescent]

Say I was to play outlaw for m+ and sin for raids

Venthyr still?

[hollow river]

Outlaw like kyrian/necro

Which is more important to you really

Raid is more important to me, progging mythic very soon. So I’m venthyr.

[bright crescent]

Yeah that's fair

that's my usual stance but I took a break from this tier cause I was getting burned out

[hollow river]

M+ this tier is fun and tbh I wanna give outlaw another try

[bright crescent]

but now im back to experimenting with rogue

[hollow river]

Have you tried sub in m+

[novel moss]

Hmm just noticed obed is now simming higher ST O_o just about to r6 doomblade but im thinking obed

[strange python]

I won't raid mythic only normal and heroic and doing m+ so I will just stay necro, I don't think I have to change covenants for what I am doing

[hollow river]

It’s good Venthyr too

[hollow river]

Nah you’re fine

[lone wren]

so now that we have had a few weeks into SoD and know a lot more about fights on mythic, how do people feel about going necrolord since majority of the important mythic fights have 2+ targets to hit? or do you guys still prefer venthyr?

im currently playing venth but been debating going back to necrolord

[hollow river]

In 252 gear and full sim shards it barely sims higher in st

Idk about 2-3 target

Check the tinyurl for more target info

[charred wraith]

it depends on the profile i guess, doomblade is 50 dps ahead for me (r6)

[hollow river]

A lot of those targets do NOT refund SBS charges.

[lone wren]

i did not know that since i haven't tried necro this SoD. thats good to know.

so do you think venthyr is the way to go for deeper mythic prog as assassination?

[hollow river]

Yeah ik for sure that like balls on Painsmith, ice spikes on KT, and other stuff doesn’t reset charges.

Well it’s up to you, and what you play the best with.

[wild mural]

Probably but by the time most of us get there it won’t matter

[hollow river]

I’m playing Venthyr, because I am also raiding and doing mythic plus as Subtlety.

[lone wren]

yeah i mean necro to me is more fun to play, but when you raid mythic you also have to think effectiveness too, but it's really good info to know spikes and balls and stuff dont reset charges

[hollow river]

Sub with Obedience is insane damage ST

[harsh anchor]

I get resets for both glacial spikes and balls

[hollow river]

x.c really?

I’ve been hearing a lot of stuff in SoD doesn’t refund charges

[harsh anchor]

I mean yeah. I’ll spike our kill ball, and a refund for an additional spike into boss in my marrow window.

Only thing I know for a fact that doesn’t refund is the tank adds on KT

[hollow river]

Spheres on nerzhul

Or whatever the knock back boss is

[harsh anchor]

Guess I didn’t really pay attention to any refunds on remnant. No idea there

[lone wren]

i mean looking at logs there is a good handful of assassins playing necrolord

[hollow river]

I’ll look into it more to make sure I have the proper info.

Yeah there is, but I’m wondering how obedience is on cleave compared to necro doomblade

[nimble tinsel]

I mean the refund is nice but there is still a ton of value in getting the extra CP for very low cost when you are able to spread SBS anyway

[lone wren]

from a gameplay perspective spikes felt really nice to play with, sin has some down time and having them to fill that gap occasionally felt good

[hollow river]

Yeah don’t get me wrong I love necro

[lone wren]

exactly my thoughts, it felt really nice when i was trying it out end of CN

[hollow river]

I was necro until patch was about to drop

[harsh anchor]

AFAIK, 2-3 target with obedience is pretty sick. Does well in keys I hear so I assume it’s be decent for something like beginning of nine and soulrender perhaps

[hollow river]

I’ll always say play what you like the most, whatever you’re best with

[harsh anchor]

Idk till the end baby

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m thinking obedience on cleave is gonna be good too

Idk

Sub game play bby

Watched someone finish with 9.5k overall as sub on mythic guardian last night

[dark jewel]

on pure st is doomblade better than obediance? since db is simming higher for a lot of people (at least my 235 db sims better than my 249 obediance)

[hollow river]

Play whatever sims best for you

[twin prism]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone wren]

there are some other factors, like how fast your guild phases a boss, does it force you to hold on to flag for too long due to intermission etc

the difference in sims for most people is small enough that those things have an impact

[hollow river]

Meh

[lone wren]

bottomline is in ST dom and obi are very close, to a point it doesn't really matter which one you run imo

in a pure vaccum doom is slightly better

[hollow river]

All fight lengths and intermissions have their own impact, sure

But you’ll suffer from downtime the same with either legendary

[slow marsh]

Dashing gang?

[hollow river]

Nevar

[lone wren]

for example on KT my job is to go down stairs, and my cool downs are assigned to that, flag's value is extra for me, because it allows me to line it up with vendetta down stairs, without it i wont always have it up when i go down stairs etc

or i'd have to hold on to it for an awkward amount of time.

when sims are close, things like that will swing it either way, if you look at warcraft logs both doom and obi are being used regularly in all kinds of fights

and in my case thats based on how fast we are phasing, of course that will be different for each player and their guild/raid

[hollow river]

Yeah but players on Warcraft logs don’t have your exact gear....

[nimble tinsel]

Top logs still heavily favor Doomblade currently, but that may be due to people holding off on crafting Obe since it's still new

or a number of other factors

[hollow river]

Someone on WCL might be #1 with a diff leggo but they also have better gear/different set up

[fervent rune]

And 10 PIs

[lone wren]

right now though logs are a bit iffy to look at, people who have gotten lucky with their set bonus have a huge advantage

gotta wait 3-4 more weeks for things to average out a bit more

[hollow river]

Yep

[tidal gorge]

Yeah

[hollow river]

I only check logs for talents/best spec

And to see what they were doing and when

[lone wren]

i do the same

[hollow river]

Def not leggo

[lone wren]

actual numbers right now is out of wack not even factoring PI, the unholy set bonus is so strong, it's a huge dps difference between those who have it, and those who dont

[nimble tinsel]

Yea it's pretty silly

[plain atlas]

lol my guild won't even run back through normal to get people dom gear to push heroic.

[slow marsh]

Then pug it

[nimble tinsel]

I got heroic guardian trinket and my UH set last night, on top of being able to upgrade the shard set to rank 3. Sim dps went up 1.2k

[stuck thistle]

How do i get lashing scars above 200 ?

[slow marsh]

Sell your soul to rngsus and use the up to 226 conduit upgrade thing from rares in korthia

[twin prism]

if you at 4 cp, do you garrote and then finish. or finish and then garrote?

[slow marsh]

Are you overcapping?

[royal lantern]

hard to overcapp at 4cp

[royal lantern]

if you need to refresh garrote, you use it

[slow marsh]

It was rhetorical obviously lol

[royal lantern]

if you dont need to refresh it, nope

[twin prism]

gotcha thanks 🙂

[alpine latch]

I only have 3 more 213 conduits... Sooo happy.

[bold jetty]

i just got Fine Razorwing Quill from korthia weekly is it good trinket? it stacks with doomblade or smth? or just meh

[teal bloom]

It doesn't work with doomblade and it's pretty bad

[lethal zodiac]

ok guys how annoying is IQD to play? i got a 252 one in the vault and its probabbly my pick

[lone wren]

damn lucky i have gotten 2 unholy shars neither are dps ones ....and only 2 socket dom pieces 😦

at least now sylv is guaranteed to drop shards on every difficulty

so people will catch up soon even if you are unlucky

[lone wren]

get a WA that tells you what the buff will be, and use it according to that, it's a bit of a sim trap for some classes, but still a really good trinket depending on whatever you got available to you

[twin prism]

If you have this situation: You have 5 cp. Your shiv duration is running off and also your rupture is at 5 seconds. Do you cast another envenom and then try to build cp for the next rupture, or do you just rupture?

Which one has prio

[amber mountain]

Rupture is allowed to fall off in the window IMO

[spice spire]

Keep rupture up

[teal bloom]

Depends on your energy situation, if rupture would fall off I'd use rupture but if I think I can refresh rupture anyway, I'd use envenom

[lone wren]

i wouldn't let rupture fall off, depending on how much energy you have, use envenom then drop a 2 cp or even 1 cp rupture to make sure it doesn't fall off, since outside of shiv you should be pooling and delaying a little anyway

it wont be a big deal

then realign your dots before the next shiv window and get back on track again

[regal ledge]

Does anyone know if they fixed mogging the artifact appearance over daggers? ( the TF one)?

Regret grabbing this dagger if they have

[teal bloom]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[regal ledge]

[balmy condor]

might want to ask #transmog

[regal ledge]

Ya tried xd

[iron orchid]

Cool in M+, underwhelming in most raid fights because you'd barely get 1 or 2 stat procs in longer fights due to the mana regen option

[lament dove]

am I supposed to be on par with others on the first boss...? I do a lot less dps, but only on this boss... maybe because of the powers?

[balmy condor]

tarragrue is a meme fight

[iron orchid]

probably yes

[balmy condor]

wouldn't bother thinking about dps on it

[jagged ember]

As Necrolord, on opener after vanish should I spend the last 2 SBS charges or mutilate instead?

[balmy condor]

there's guilds at 5/10H smashing mythic tarragrue in like 3-4 pulls

fight's a fucking joke

[iron orchid]

after vanish you should mut

and try to fit sbs in what's left of the gemstone proc

[jagged ember]

ok thanks!

[viscid spear]

Cloaks are crazy expensive on my realm, I just made a 235 cloak for Obedience.

[plucky pasture]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[quaint sequoia]

where do u put flag in opener?

[odd hazel]

Mut - snd - mut - garrote - vendetta - flag - rupture - shiv/vanish - mut - evenom

[fervent rune]

For ST I mut snd mut garrote flag rupture

[narrow ravine]

crazy ive had cloaks on my realm for 2 weeks none are selling even cheap ones

[odd hazel]

The ones on storm rage are 135k

For like r6

I think I got a R4 for like 10k

[ornate lake]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[stone gate]

Which missive should I buy

haste?

[odd hazel]

Crit haste

[lone wren]

Btw did the deathly cheese opener get ninja fixed yesterday?

[odd hazel]

It’s been fixed from my knowledge

[lone wren]

I didn't see it in notes but when the buff disappears the moment you unequip the legendary

[wild mural]

They changed it. It still works you can go to sub and see what your new macro needs to be as it’s been asked 100x today.

[crystal delta]

in what slot did you craft doomblade?

[forest swallow]

back

[odd hazel]

Does that work for sin though ?

Ah you can’t switch in combat

So it’s pointless

It could be neat in M+ though

[frosty cedar]

hey is the poison bug fixed yet?

[odd hazel]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[odd hazel]

Nope

[red plaza]

They fixed Deathly for Sin and Outlaw, it only works with Sub now

[odd hazel]

Ahhh

[frosty cedar]

[red plaza]

since it was 2 different spell ids

[lone wren]

Why only sub?? This makes no sense lol

[red plaza]

On sin and outlaw it only lasted 12 seconds so it had a different buff spell id than sub which lasts 15 seconds. When blizz "fixed" it they only fixed the spell id that affected sin and outlaw, not the sub one.

[lone wren]

so it's safe to assume sub will be fixed soon too

since it sounds like an oversight

[red plaza]

Yep. It seems like they attempted a fix yesterday by making the combo points disappear when you unequip the leggo. So it might be only a matter of time

[wintry mica]

you just cast snd before you swap now lol

[lone wren]

yeah i noticed the buff poofed too on sin, i really dislike it when they dont include these in the notes

like put it in the patch notes, why not talk about it at all lol

[heavy coral]

!bis

[odd hazel]

I mean you shouldn’t expect it to stay

[lone wren]

but would casting SnD keep the buff? im not home to try it myself

[odd hazel]

What are you lookin for sir

[heavy coral]

Nothing, just was wondering if we got bis item list

[odd hazel]

Nope sim is our best friend

[pale fossil]

The max level ones are 200K on Area 52 rn

[odd hazel]

That’s no to bad from what I’ve seen

Just wait a bit it’ll drop

Just make bank off your crystals for now

[wintry mica]

yes it still works fine for sub to get a prepull SND and the buff

[misty holly]

Is now the time to start selling Crystals?

[odd hazel]

I just don’t plan on upgrading anytime soon so

Have doom and obedience at 235

And the crystals sell for a decent bit

Sup whispyr

[balmy condor]

Bonespike is currently bugged for necrolords. These are not in sims, and thus necro is oversimming slightly
Bug 1: At some point in a fight, sbs will no longer grant extra CP for active bleeds on your main-target. This means you will get 1cp baseline from any additional spikes. We don't understand the root cause for this and it isn't always repeatable.

Bug 2: Casting a Bonespike on a target that already has the bleed active, i.e. casting SBS twice on the same target, will no longer refund a charge from that target. This one is 100% repeatable.

Bug 3: The bleed will expire after a short period instead of being permanent. This happens a lot on dummies and other things that don't have an aggro table, such as painsmith orbs

[balmy condor]

hey

[odd hazel]

Oof

Another bug

[raven quarry]

yikes

[odd hazel]

Thanks for the update

[marble hemlock]

[odd hazel]

Feels good to be a vampire

[marble hemlock]

The second bug actually is 100% though. SBSing any target twice = no refund

Deathspike unplayable because of it

[odd hazel]

How much of a dps loss is it ?

If it’s in sim atleast

[marble hemlock]

hard to say, as we dont know what or how regularly/often the singletarget one breaks

[subtle lava]

is sin playable in high keys? (20+)

[odd hazel]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

yes

[odd hazel]

Very much playable

[marble hemlock]

but yeah, this is just... heartbreaking

[odd hazel]

I’ll riot for your bone bois

[slim jay]

whats the best slot to make zoldyks?

[marble hemlock]

and in m+ if you accidentally cast SBS on the same target a second time, instead of on a new one, you essentially lose 2 refunds

so if you dont have perfect targeting or mouseovering

you can fuck yourself pretty hard

[slim jay]

legs right?

[spice spire]

This is cring

Was wondering but thought I fucked it

[marble hemlock]

ye

[spice spire]

Good to know it’s just a bug and I’m still bad

[lone wren]

Thanks for the info guys, appreciate it

[limpid plinth]

Can sbs be parried or dodged by a boss?

[spice spire]

Parried yes

Unsure about dodge

[odd hazel]

Anything can and it FEELS bad

[limpid plinth]

On boss pull today i throw sbs got 0 cp throw another and again 0cp

I was so fucking confused

[slim jay]

oh fun

how long has this bug been a thing

[misty holly]

I wasn't noticing it last week.

[red burrow]

Did obedience pull ahead again? I believe it was n1 but after nerf doomblade was best. But now I see obedience again on top?

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor at least you can respond to people saying deathspike for m+ is good

[slim jay]

ive noticed not getting the cp im supposed to get for having multiple sbs up

[marble hemlock]

that with the bug, youre better off not playing any legendary, than playing deathspike

[slim jay]

deathspike big poopy

[odd hazel]

Tbh if bone spike made it through I would be necro

[slim jay]

necro for life

[narrow ravine]

I like having SBS for a long range opener

[limpid plinth]

How can i see from logs if my 2 sbs got parried on pull or what happened?

[narrow ravine]

just a QoL thing while in the world

[simple stratus]

ive noticed that shit the other day and thought i was going nuts

especially using deathspike

just end up with 0 charges and no refunds

[slim jay]

yeah

i just assumed i was messing up putting multiple bonespikes on the same target but now i know im bad and its bugged

[white jetty]

hey all! I was wondering if you cast Flagellation twice (with Obedience) while vendetta is still on CD (I can reduce about 30 sec from Flag with obedience)

[limpid plinth]

Oh boss does not take dmg or what am i missing here? 😅

[narrow ravine]

and it uses a charge 😦

[odd hazel]

You can use it on Cd if it’s a few seconds you can sync. It

Also sync if you know you’ll miss a cast

[simple stratus]

Bosses that parry is a mechanic that needs to be retired

[narrow ravine]

it may not be optimal but I like to save SBS charges for when I am doing mechanics so I can still do 'something' while at range

[odd hazel]

That would change a decent bit of the game

[limpid plinth]

But is that deflect thing normal should i change my opener on that boss?

[lone wren]

Or teach tanks that positioning matters, boss pathing matters, don't be a dh and fly away and have the boss sprint to you and get out of all melee range when you don't need to etc I don't wanna raid a training dummy

[marble hemlock]

its the equivalent to parry

gotta make sure to be behind boss

[limpid plinth]

So it was just really unlucky

[amber mountain]

or you were in front of them?

[lone wren]

If it's on pull you were probably hitting the boss from the front.

[lone wren]

Have your tanks run through the boss and turn it asap or hold off a second for boss to turn, or start the fight from the flank/behind the boss etc

[misty holly]

Its definitely not optimal, but I also like to save SBS charges for things especially in M+, but sometimes its handy in raids too

Like I want to stun that mob right now but I have zero combo points and only 10 energy