assassination

[ebon thorn]

okay

[odd hazel]

You vendetta before rupture and flag before rupture if chosen

Tbh there’s so much cleave it feels like in cucking my self not going necro

I don’t have the SF conduit though

But venth feels so good

[stone gate]

Which pvp talents shoud I take btw?

[spice spire]

That’s a #pvp question

PvE Andys here :^)

[stone gate]

aight ty xd

[buoyant schooner]

for M+ ?

[odd hazel]

Yes

[limber lion]

For everything. :P

[loud mason]

Hey folks, i see that there are no "perfect" stats weapon for rogues, does this mean i just uppgrade the highest itlvl weapon i obtain with crit or haste on it ?

[violet hemlock]

perfect stats are on sly weap

[loud mason]

thinking m+ here not sylv daggers 😛

[violet hemlock]

This tier im not gonna upg daggers and focus on upging rings neck and trinkets

might be folly but eh

But last tier I just upgraded whatever dagger I got first

[limber lion]

Yeh that's fine.

[vapid nimbus]

What are our best M+ Anima powers so far?

[sharp panther]

outlaw has a pin for anima powers i assume it’s pretty much the same for the other 2 specs

[manic quartz]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[strange python]

but if Subterfuge talented you use Garrote as opener or still sbs?

[odd hazel]

X4 garrote/SnD/then SBS dot on everyone I assume and apply ruptures

[sleek trail]

Just a random question

If rogues shadowstep the spike balls for painsmith will the spike ball hit?

[spice spire]

yes

[sleek trail]

Oofff

[manic quartz]

Mut>SnD>Mut>Garr>Rupture>Vendetta>Flagellation>Shiv>Vanish>Mut>envenom sound right?

or Flag before rupture?

[spice spire]

flag before rupture

[odd hazel]

Door of shadows through it :^)

[fallen arch]

Don’t try

You’ll get urself killed

[fallen arch]

It says to take the battle axe?

I thought it better to take the stats upgrade there

[odd hazel]

I prefer taking plumage/stats/shield/and heal when taking damage

But if we get the bonus damage for interrupting with plumage that might be something

[sharp panther]

yeah i usually take the stats over battle axe and then necrotic... which usually does about 15-20% of my boss dmg

[fallen arch]

I always take necrotic

[sharp panther]

and i have the other two dps take volcanic

[fallen arch]

Yeah it’s nutty on bosses

[odd hazel]

Why necrotic ?

[fallen arch]

Because of the dam

[sharp panther]

cos its does 15-20% on bosses

[odd hazel]

True true

[gusty mirage]

never have 3 dps take volcanic

[fallen arch]

Inspiring kinda negates the effect of volcanic as well this week for some packs

[gusty mirage]

it can evade bug mobs if it procs a lot

and they reset lol

"well polished"

[odd hazel]

I might just start taking necrotic then

[gusty mirage]

necrotic dagger is yuge

[odd hazel]

Since I’m assuming everyone takes plumage any way

On pug groups

[gusty mirage]

I'm kinda torn between champion's boon & the axe one though

having 40% crit is super nice

[odd hazel]

Can you throw multiple axes ? In a pack ?

[gusty mirage]

yeah

it can proc on multiple mobs

[sharp panther]

yeah ive tried both but still not sure which is actually better

[gusty mirage]

we had a bug in mists where someone got knocked into one of the doorways and it reset us to the start while in combat

and I just saw a buncha axes flying through the walls

lmao

the range on it is ridiculous

[fallen arch]

Haha

Fair

[strange silo]

Hey for eye and the nine mythic would it be better to play ep+vig even if it is a 150 dps loss vs bs+ds? almost all logs are with ep+vig

[fallen arch]

Tell them buckling rampage hurts

[odd hazel]

I feel as if the axes would just make trash packs stupid easy

[fallen arch]

Dont get hit by that

[gusty mirage]

potatoes gonna potato

[fallen arch]

Aye

[limber lion]

You're comparing a fight with 2-targets for 30% of the fight

to patchwork

Try simming yourself in Cleave Add instead of Patchwork

[strange silo]

alright will do

[fallen arch]

But it’s safe to play ep vigor anyway

I have it as default

Dont care that bs/ds sims 20 dps higher

[strange silo]

i mean i have way too low haste so it will help quite a bit but as i said sims tell me its around 130 dps loss if i take it

[odd hazel]

There’s no low haste

[strange silo]

in patchwork dunno how good the bs proc are in sims

[odd hazel]

Some people in here had 13% last tier

I’m sure some barely have 20 now

[strange silo]

i have 11,24% xd

[atomic thicket]

Which rogue spec is currently the most fun to play?

[fallen arch]

That’s completely subjective

[odd hazel]

That’s subjective

[fallen arch]

But if you ask here, most will prob say sin

[gusty mirage]

yes

[odd hazel]

Tbh it depends on the play style you enjoy

carpel tunnel?

Outlaw

Slow poison and bleed ?

[atomic thicket]

OK my bad😅, which one is the easiest to do the rotation?

[odd hazel]

Sin

[violet hemlock]

I have gear that can put me at 30% but I sim higher at 17% with more crit

[odd hazel]

Sin IMO

[fallen arch]

Also subjective. But basics on sin are pretty easy I’d say

[atomic thicket]

Enjoyed outlaw in bfa, swapped to sub in SL which was less fun but I was annoyed by target cap from outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Sin's the easiest simply because it's slower

less likely to mess something up

[fallen arch]

We all have target caps here?

[gusty mirage]

sub's aoe is 8 though

so I get what he means

[atomic thicket]

Any good Videos I can watch to see rotations from sin?

[fallen arch]

FoK should be uncapped imo

[gusty mirage]

You're better off just checking out one of the guides & putting in some target dummy work than watching a video

[fallen arch]

Entire different discussion tho

[gusty mirage]

@fallen arch or not give you 1cp and making you sad

[atomic thicket]

Kk will do

Thx team

[gusty mirage]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[odd hazel]

[fallen arch]

Oh yeh that shit happens all the time to me

[gusty mirage]

just check out one of those, the wowhead one is good. Mystler does a great job of keeping it up to date @atomic thicket

[fallen arch]

Even with 35% crit

[atomic thicket]

OK ty

[gusty mirage]

it's even more saddening when you're playing poisoned katar and you take the champions boon and you should have 45% crit with FoK

and you get 1cp 3 foks in a row

[strange silo]

Ok i did the add cleave sim and its just 48 dps loss vs bs+ds and i guess ep+vig feels smoother

[fallen arch]

I dont even bother running Katar anymore

[gusty mirage]

it's such a depressing conduit

[fallen arch]

Then just play it

[gusty mirage]

why doesn't the crit chance scale with ilvl

WHY BLIZZARD

[vapid nimbus]

Is there any way to SIM with M+ anima powers?

[limber lion]

No

[balmy condor]

A lot

[odd hazel]

We appreciate you. my head would have exploded by that point

Good morning

[balmy condor]

Also fuck off if you think I’m lazy with all the shit I do

[balmy condor]

morning

[north basin]

i wrote it like 3 hours ago XD do u really read all this chat spam XDD

[balmy condor]

I got pinged, so I read it

[mint kindle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[north basin]

ah

[balmy condor]

Feel free to update it yourself if you got like a week with nothing to do and you’ve tested all the mechanics

[dull osprey]

are there any specific talents I should take for Torgh? I forget. been a hot min

[north basin]

nah, it was irony, at second i thought maybe i miss some button in spreadsheet

but now i see it just have none info

xD

[balmy condor]

Leeching poison is pretty pog

[spare flame]

What legendary are people boosting on tuesday

[dull osprey]

is it more ST or m+ build?

[limber lion]

Doomblade personally.

[graceful mirage]

anima lure

[balmy condor]

Obedience

[spare flame]

Raid seems to be a mix of assa/sub for me

so thinking obedience

[vagrant tapir]

Anyone have a good list of WA's to have for 9.1?

[limber lion]

It's a good choice

[balmy condor]

M+ in torg

[spare flame]

Obedience feels weird as assa for me

[vagrant tapir]

Dungeons, raids, pvp etc

[dull osprey]

also, I simmed myself last night and doomblade sims higher than obedience

[graceful mirage]

yeah obedience seems to be the best "flex" legendary to boost

[limber lion]

It does

[dull osprey]

also a good point...

[balmy condor]

By how much?

[limber lion]

It's been simming higher since they nerfed Obe

[dull osprey]

lik +60

[balmy condor]

Fucking kek

[dull osprey]

I mean, yeah

[graceful mirage]

60 whole dps

[dull osprey]

its not really that much of adiff

[balmy condor]

Back to bed with me it’s too early

[limber lion]

Massive.

[graceful mirage]

go sleep whisp

[placid pagoda]

@limber lion you still swapping to venth

[graceful mirage]

#gothbois

[limber lion]

Probs

[odd hazel]

as you should

[graceful mirage]

join us on the goth side of wow

we have A E S T H E T I C

[odd hazel]

And our last soulbind is gonna be NUtS

[graceful mirage]

but most importantly

A E S T H E T I C

[wild birch]

How much dps increase is unholy dom shards bonus?

[odd hazel]

I saw someone say like 900+ dps

[wild birch]

holy shit

[graceful mirage]

yeah shard bonuses are big

[wild birch]

I have 3 sockets, but 2 unholy shards

unforch

[odd hazel]

Finally got a unholy shard but it’s SPEEEEDDDD

[graceful mirage]

i have no unholy shard and just 2 sockets

(then again my group is still forming, so we havent got past normal)

[wild birch]

My first shard was actually Dyz(unholy dmg one) insta upgrade to level 5

[graceful mirage]

Dyz nuts

[odd hazel]

I got the execute blood and damage frost one first

[graceful mirage]

sorry im contractually obligated to do that

i have 2 blood ones so far

i have the hp boosting one and the one that gives you damage if your hp% is higher

or something like that

[uneven hamlet]

I have a set of frost equipped, only have 1 unholy

Soon bois soon

[limber lion]

It's okay boys

Next week for sure.

I'm getting a 252 phial from Vault as well

[drifting cloud]

[odd hazel]

You’re gonna get the mist trinket

After getting dagger so early

[limber lion]

You mean 3 daggers?

[winged basin]

[graceful mirage]

thats more daggers than i got in all of 9.0

[limber lion]

[teal bloom]

I am still using 223 daggers :(

[odd hazel]

Let’s all gang up on cev

[graceful mirage]

my best daggers were 220s

[limber lion]

But to be fair, I never got a single 233 dagger in 9.0.5

[graceful mirage]

gib me

[limber lion]

I got a 226 off hand like 4 weeks before 9.1

[odd hazel]

Jesus Christ cev

[graceful mirage]

i did get an early 240ish dagger this season

so im not as copium as last patch

but im 100% sure this is the best im getting for the rest of the patch

[limber lion]

I'm not sure if you know how to use that meme.

:p

[steel geyser]

waiting to kill nerzul before upgrading dagger to 246

But I would be very lucky to loot the raid dagger after getting the axe from the nine

[limber lion]

50/50

You either do or you don't.

[steel geyser]

We did splits between the two so I guess it reset loot counter

[placid pagoda]

Is it worth socketinf that speed unholy shard??? Or do we get any other unholy

Or is that part of the 3 set?

[odd hazel]

Yes

You need 3 unholy gems

[graceful mirage]

any 3 unholy gems will do. getting the bonus is worth more than the gems by themselves.

[odd hazel]

You can only get one of each

There’s only 3

[placid pagoda]

Okay thanks guys will socket my speed one

Does it matter where you socket it or can it go in any Dom slot?

[odd hazel]

Any dom socket

[placid pagoda]

Okay great thanks

[odd hazel]

Not sure on the helm though, it might have to be one

[civic trellis]

Has anyone tried theotar? Not sure how the mastery thingy works and if it has any downsides (like downtime)

[odd hazel]

He is really good on M+

And sub likes triple potency as well

[civic trellis]

I am using sub for pure ST with no downtime and sin otherwise 😛

Raid mainly

I am using nadija for sub and can't decide between draven and theotar for sin, cleave scenarios and high mobility encounters

Theotar sims higher but idk how bad is to lose the mastery buff

[odd hazel]

It’s pretty easy not to lose

[civic trellis]

Also didnt know maim, mangle was simming way higher than WPS 😄

[odd hazel]

Depends, might wanna sim it

[civic trellis]

Yeah i did, its just... unexpected. Main, mangle 226 sims higher than my 239 WPS

[odd hazel]

interesting

Might have to check my two conduits both are 226 though

[cobalt flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n1ijPunvXFGdJBAZUmaA4t

[gusty mirage]

it was like a 20 dps difference for me

[cobalt flame]

for me 239 wps is better

[gusty mirage]

239 wps vs 226 maim

[rocky pecan]

It change depend on your stat

[civic trellis]

Oh i meant in 2t cleave

In st sims the same

[safe patrol]

the allround alternative to deeper and blindside, were vigor and ep yeah? not ep and bs

[civic trellis]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iT71oheKgQ3fJsWJSCshH6

[safe patrol]

raid

[civic trellis]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xihjgEHCnmdKzwVqtH7PGE

[odd hazel]

Yes

[safe patrol]

cheers

[rocky pecan]

You mixed shadow core oil +20ap is better for you lievet?

[civic trellis]

No it shouldnt

its what i use as sub

i was lazy to change it, just that

[rocky pecan]

Okok

[cobalt flame]

[placid pagoda]

My dom gear is 239 it’s still worth socketinf and using chisel to remove it if I get higher ilvl gear?

[drifting cloud]

[cobalt flame]

Well except the one time stygia payment, the removing doesnt cost anything

so why not

[odd hazel]

Nah I would keep the dom gear

[ebon notch]

main, mangle is simming higher than well placed steel for me

any idea why?

[small island]

are u using doomblade?

[ebon notch]

yes

[small island]

makes doomblade do more dmg i guess

[ebon notch]

how does mutilate doing more damage

increase the damage of doomblade

[small island]

isnt doomblade 45% of mutilate?

so higher muti = higher bleed?

maybe im wrong 🙂

[ebon notch]

oh does the conduit increase the bleed damage

[small island]

i think so

[ebon notch]

from mutilate when using

ahhh

[cold rampart]

vendetta then rupture or rupture then vendetta

[odd hazel]

Vendetta - flag - rupture

If not venth just remove flag

[cold rampart]

then?

mut mut shiv vanish env?

[thorny pond]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[odd hazel]

Opener should be
Mut - snd - mut - garrote - vendetta - flag - rupture - shiv/vanish - mut - evenom - mut - mut - evenom

If you don’t play deeper you prob only need one mut at the end if you get a crit

[cold rampart]

mine is
mut snd mut rup garrote vend flag mut shiv then vanish eveneom

[odd hazel]

No rupture ?

[thorny pond]

Where is rupture

[graceful mirage]

don't you Vanish for Envenom and not Mut?

[cold rampart]

thats what i do

it seems we vanish for mut

[thorny pond]

Doesn’t matter env mut mut, mut env mut etc is all the same

[graceful mirage]

well it depends if you have the master assasin talent

[thorny pond]

No

[rocky ruin]

For M+ which leggy do we use

[thorny pond]

2 muts and 1 env are the same in that window

[odd hazel]

Obedience if your venth zold if necro

[rocky ruin]

i found Obedience kinda not so good

[odd hazel]

It’s only good in M+ really

[graceful mirage]

isn't it also good for AoE heavy fights?

[thorny pond]

Yea

[odd hazel]

Most likely ye

[thorny pond]

Less envenom and mutilates will devalue doomblade

[graceful mirage]

but yeah, Obedience is the way to go for everything not single target

[odd hazel]

More and more it’s showing up in raids so it’ll be interesting to see in a month

[thorny pond]

Most encounters have something secondary to hit

[odd hazel]

I don’t think besides guardian there’s a pure ST

[thorny pond]

So that lends itself to other finishers and more energy regen and cp spending increasing flags value

[graceful mirage]

plus i like pressing flag more often

[odd hazel]

It’s so nice having flag up so often in M+

[thorny pond]

Yea prio dps is a big thing this raid

Why sub is seeing value

[odd hazel]

I’m glad people can play sub who Enjoy it

[thorny pond]

I also Emily sub

[cold rampart]

can i cast mut after the shiv?

[odd hazel]

My phone is stupid lmao

[odd hazel]

You can yeah

[thorny pond]

I’m telling Sarah you Emily

[odd hazel]

What about Amy

[graceful mirage]

what ABOUT amy

[thorny pond]

Amy is a hoor

Any who that’s for #off-topic

[odd hazel]

[thorny pond]

You’ll see more and more variance based on what people enjoy and encounters

A lot of sin rogues will probably fotm to sub and realize it’s not as forgiving as sin and go back to sin but have a max level obedience already

So they’ll just play that

[graceful mirage]

i mean, what ISN'T more forgiving than sin

[thorny pond]

Outlul

Sin can be a bitch if you fall behind on bleeds but it is relatively straightforward yea

[graceful mirage]

its not like its an apm intensive spec to begin with

which is something i kinda enjoy

i like having the brainspace for mechanics

[thorny pond]

No, but that means every gcd has value

[graceful mirage]

but anyways, as long as i can avoid outlaw, im gucci

[thorny pond]

If you scuff a flag window as sub you have some wiggle room to get the stacks back, as sin if you scuff it enjoy your 19 stack

[odd hazel]

I’ll prob star playing sub when it’s farm

[thorny pond]

Prog sub bud

[odd hazel]

Fuck that

[ebon notch]

is the secret technique trinket recognised properly in the apl?

[soft shale]

yea there's a slot on top gear for it to choose stat now

[final sky]

in raid when do i want to be using my phantom fire?

[grim lion]

Guys, what is the usual opener in the raid for assa?

Without lashing scars, as I'm necro

Flagellation I mean.

[soft shale]

sbs snd mut garrote rupture shiv vendetta vanish mut envenom mut

[ebon notch]

is there a pin about phantom fire vs agil?

[thin gate]

guys where do i find the notes for BIS Tarague powers?

[soft shale]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[ebon notch]

sik

[grim lion]

So I don't start with ambush or garrote out of stealth but sbs?

[odd hazel]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[soft shale]

yea you begin with bonespike

[ebon notch]

bone spike then snd

[grim lion]

Huh, interesting ,alright alright

[ebon notch]

then mut garrote ruptuire

then mut once or twice

[final sky]

i never understood pastebin, what do i do with it

[ebon notch]

vanish

envenom

[thin gate]

i thought Vanish = Mut>Envenom

[ebon notch]

i prefer to have

5cp

before vanish envenoming

[thin gate]

didnt someone said that a few days ago because the CP regen is better than the envenom crit?

[ebon notch]

but in general its not a huge diff

[grim lion]

Thanks man

[lyric dock]

Can someone take a look at this log and tell me what I'm doing wrong? Came in to help a friend with normal guardian and damage is just not where it should be. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dNpBG7t1nDKxmrAQ/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=116

[grim lion]

Also, should I ever use envenom on 4 cp

Or always wait 5?

[ebon notch]

you can use on 4 if you're playing vigor

[grim lion]

kk

[ebon notch]

never use combo generator on n-1

with n being your max CP

[balmy condor]

There’s instructions in that bot command, I would read it again, not sure how else to explain it

[thin gate]

wait if ur playing with 6 combo points u dont envenom @ 4+ but at 5+?

[balmy condor]

Correct

[balmy condor]

Give me a second just woke up

[final sky]

oh ok ty

[lyric dock]

@balmy condor no rush. Ty on advance

[final sky]

do i want to use my phantom fire with vendetta?

[thin gate]

vendeta only affets auto attacks and rogue spells

[final sky]

oh ok

so should i just be using it on cooldown?

(phantom fire)

[ebon notch]

ye

[plain spruce]

do I CT instead of Envenom at 3 targets, regardless of CT dot?

[robust aurora]

what missives should i put on my lego?

[ebon tundra]

What lego? If obed and only playing assa then crit Haste, if you playing sub as well then crit vers, idk what you'd pick If you playing outlaw aswell cause fuck that spec

[robust aurora]

just assa with zold

[ebon tundra]

Crit Haste then

[robust aurora]

ok thanks

[wide ridge]

will we be able to craft rank 6 leggo next reset?

i think so, right

[granite thistle]

Fusion trinket simming higher now POG?

[odd hazel]

Crit vers is fine for outlaw too

Holy shit

Why is that trinket simming so high

Over a phial at that

[past jolt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[granite thistle]

@odd hazel idk but I have a heroic one in my bags that is about to get macro'd into a button somewhere

[odd hazel]

What boss does that drop on again ?

[granite thistle]

Uhh. Guardian i think

[odd hazel]

I should sim it and see if it beats any of my trinkets

[fervent mauve]

anyone know how to get plater to stop showing other rogue's vendetta?

[odd hazel]

Uhhh

@limber lion

[rare scaffold]

can I play sin as necro? is there a lot dps loss ?

[odd hazel]

Nope you can safely play necro

It’s not ahead in sT but wins in cleave/AoE ( obedience venth seems to do better by a small margin in dungeon slice )

[graceful mirage]

check the pins for the theoretical differences

[limber lion]

If you're using mine, it's in "Buff Special". You can just remove it there.

[limber lion]

I play Necro :) it's good

it's bad if you wanna play Sub as well

[graceful mirage]

its good, but why when the gothbois are based

[odd hazel]

^

[shut flame]

Kui nameplates, i found it better than plater. + Modified luxthos wa rogue set

[rare scaffold]

so necro bad for sub

I was looking on what to play off spec sin or sub

[quaint carbon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[vagrant tapir]

Just came back to retail after playing 9.0 a little bit, trying to get caught up to 9.1 - Switched covenant to Venthyr from Nightfae so I'm renown 7 atm, but had that campaign completed for nightfae and I think all of 9.0 too - Whats the most important thing to do?

Im ilvl 202 atm

[inland jacinth]

hi guys what does it mean to have 'nadjia triple potency obedience' mean ? vs nadjia dauntless obedience ?

[vagrant tapir]

dauntless duelist is a soulbind that prevents you from getting a 3rd potency slot with nadjia

[compact oyster]

I imagine There’s a path on nad which utilizes three potency conduits.

[vagrant tapir]

So you would have the option of either getting dauntless duelist, or 3 potency slots, but not both.

[compact oyster]

@vagrant tapir complete campaign for unlocking soulbinds, torghast for soul ash and cinders, anything else for renown catch-up.

[thin gate]

finish all campaigns (chains of domination) and venthyr, do ur weekly Korthia and Torghast(Maw) Stuff head into m+ raid/pvp

[compact oyster]

Obedience is the venthyr legendary power

[craggy ruin]

so what would play in raid as Assa, Obidience or Doomblade?

[thin gate]

its -0.03% Dps for Obidience in Pure ST

so pretty much up to u i guess

Doomblade loses as soon as u cant keep up the bleeding on more than 1 target by mutilating

[muted ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2us553DczUGEJ3dxPzDJg7 could someone explain me why is in my quicksim Deadly poison so high?

is that correct?

[inland jacinth]

@compact oyster "but i don't understand what "triple potency" means?

[vagrant tapir]

Were those professions journals ever implemented? And is there any real advantage to professions outside gold making?

[white igloo]

3 potency slots

[thin gate]

bcs of ur auto attack procs

[inland jacinth]

oh thank u

[thin gate]

i guess u got alot of Attack Speed making ur auto attacks with SND proc alot of Lethal Poison instant damage

[muted ridge]

oh wait ye, in sims i have windfury

[teal bloom]

in details its seperated to 2, instant and dot but in raidbots it's combined

[thin gate]

@teal bloom U can left click it and open up to see the split dpös

[velvet falcon]

[limber lion]

Why are you posting your sub sims in the assa channel?

[velvet falcon]

mb

[inland jacinth]

nice trinkets tho.

[placid pagoda]

can you pre pot in stealth?

[graceful mirage]

no

you pot then stealth

[placid pagoda]

okay thanks

[woeful orbit]

If you shadowstep to eye of jailor do you end up in the middle of the platform (on the ledge)? Trying to figure out how infectous is shadowstepping through the beam without changing targets and seemingly nothing to jump to

[lyric dock]

Puts you on platform a bit left of center

[woeful orbit]

Excellent. No matter where you jump from?

[lyric dock]

Yes

[woeful orbit]

You’re the man. Thanks

[lyric dock]

If beam is going right to left then be careful. I got shredded last reclear... so now I step if it's going left to right and cloak if vice versa

[woeful orbit]

Totally makes sense

Good call out. Any other tips and tricks like that one (for other bosses) to help keep up uptime on fights? Or have a good resource for me to look at that sort of aggregates them all in one place?

[sharp panther]

yes you can pot during stealth... dont really need to pre-pot anymore though

[placid pagoda]

thanks alli

[lost sentinel]

obedience goes on cloak right

[sharp panther]

np

[limber lion]

Yes

[lost sentinel]

Thx

[final sky]

i see high logged rogues using ma

in raid

that cant be right

[bleak sedge]

i see everyone using doomblade

[magic gale]

lege or talent?

[final sky]

talent

[magic gale]

why not?

[final sky]

do u not want the garrote buff?

[real pewter]

How do you sim the unholy set bonus?

[magic gale]

you want ma for single target

i think atleast

its probably in the pins :p

[bleak sedge]

How much should i pool with EP?

[topaz saffron]

Single Target Crimson Tempest still a thing?

[final sky]

dont think so

poison bomb is rly strong st

[bleak sedge]

PB stronger but as soon as we have adds CT should be better

[loud silo]

do i lose much dps staying necro/doomblade?

[graceful mirage]

dps ranks in pins

short answer:no

[bleak sedge]

answer is no

in sims flag is better but there is so much movement in this raid that they are pretty even

[hardy prairie]

why are subs so much better at Fatescribe? is it just the phasing lining with cds better?

[bleak sedge]

lots of target swaps onto burstable adds

[placid pagoda]

CT on fatescribe worth taking ?

[hardy prairie]

ahh i see

[placid pagoda]

for the ad cleave?

[bleak sedge]

id say yeds

[graceful mirage]

I personally use ct on fate

[placid pagoda]

okay will use

[alpine garden]

Whats the current renown cap?

[limber lion]

48

[hazy pendant]

is Phial nerfed i have 236 and its doing all the time 4.1% and on bloodmalet said 6.86%

[scenic meteor]

Lol echo got sylv to 49%

Guess it doesn’t end at 50

[thorny pond]

Fury warrior meta is gonna be back on the menu

[idle star]

My guardian teinket is doing around 5% at 226

[drifting cloud]

well yeah if youre doing 5k dps

[wide ridge]

hahaha limit found out sylv does not die at 50% and now they're doing splits to gear up their rogues

[velvet escarp]

think they're funneling a shoulder piece to surgemachine (druid)

[wide ridge]

let me cope man

[lyric dock]

I came in to help a friend on normal guardian last night and my damage is about 1.2k under my patch Sim. Can someone take a look and see if I'm doing something wrong?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dNpBG7t1nDKxmrAQ/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=116

[celest marlin]

yo how strong is silvanas dager?

[limber lion]

Pretty strong.

You can sim it.

It's not super giga for assa, but it's huge for Sub

[quaint sequoia]

gives limit an unfair advantage if its 45% on sylv

echo have been better this tier

woops, wrong channel

[forest cloak]

I think that you are doing your opener wrong imo. You used first shiv in 27 secs

Casted vendetta, and vanish 5 seconds after that vendetta

[pale plank]

Well, thank god it’s not hard to swap between sub and sin

[limber lion]

1. Opener is incorrect.
2. You press your buttons very slowly. You need to mash more.
3. You need to slam Shiv on cooldown more often. Never hold it.
4. Always use Flag before a finisher.
5. You didn't press Vanish with your second Vendetta. You should always use Vend/Shiv/Vanish together.

6. You didn't use a potion.

[balmy condor]

on 2. I think it's a pooling issue, the energy overcap is actually quite good

[limber lion]

Yep.

7. Don't use your Blindside proc (Ambush) if you're at max-1 combo points. Always aim to use it at low combo points, so you don't waste em. When you get a proc, you just use it instead of your next Mutilate.

I like how my 233 Sack did more than 5% of my overall dps on Remnant, but my 242 Totem only did 2.81%

[wide ridge]

sack is crazy

sucks that mastery is such a shit secondary for us

for st, anyway

[odd hazel]

It sims less for me; is there a way that makes it proc more in a fight ?

Sim wise that is

[mental trout]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f5WboHDrrYafw8kP24mguw

man replacing my 213 dagger would make my day...

[limber lion]

Go farm some m+

It's quite easy.

[mint gorge]

Hey can any one point me toward shards for assass, struggling to find the best info for it xxx

[limber lion]

Just use the unholy set.

With the dps blood/frost shards.

[mental trout]

ive done 18+ 15s now

no wep ive been trying lol

[south hollow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NwbxKPqznVt9LDdH#fight=8&type=damage-done can i get a log review

[real pewter]

Damn so fusion amp just became the BiS trinket for everyone, huh?

Just got heroic KT trinket and it sims way lower than that

[strange python]

21 plaguefalls later...ooze

I wanna die

[limber lion]

Ey I got my ooze 9 pf's later

Soon we'll get our phials.

For sure.

[strange python]

No phial yet

[limber lion]

[strange python]

Lmfao

I offered 3 wow tokens to a warrior for it who said no

[mental trout]

i got a phial twice now in like 6 runs

traded one to my RL DH tank

[limber lion]

ok dude.

[pale plank]

When u get phial in ur 1st but never seen ooze after

Wasted all my luck

[mild dagger]

I’ve done at least 10 runs for phial no luck

[mental trout]

now i want pox and ooze

is ooze better then phial?

[limber lion]

No.

Ooze is bad.

[strange python]

236 ooze is DPS downgrade over 226 guardian trink and 233 taza trink for me.

[mental trout]

for real or troll lol?

[limber lion]

?

Phial is literally the best trinket in the game.

Ooze is bad.

[mental trout]

oh ok lol just seen every one trying to get it, my fault.

[lyric dock]

Thank you for the critique! Helps a lot to know what to work on.

[mental trout]

yea i want the H painsmith trinket

gonna kill him in a few hours hype

[strange python]

Ooze is good for warlocks

[limber lion]

I doubt it

Everyone's trying to get phial

not ooze.

[limber lion]

why? It's awful

[mental trout]

i meant the guardian lmao

salvaged fusion amp

wouldnt mind the fist wep from painsmith fo sho

[strange python]

Guardian trink and phial likely to be bis for sub and sin, unless you can get a low CD on shadowgrasp

[odd hazel]

We don’t use fist weapons

[mental trout]

lol i play outlaw for M+

im necro =p

[odd hazel]

I doubt it’s good for them

[ancient peak]

why is shadowgrasp so much better for assa and sub than outlaw?

[limber lion]

It is good.

[strange python]

Taza trink will be bis next tier for sure

[odd hazel]

Nah

[strange python]

Wild how good it is even at 233

[odd hazel]

I mean it’s okay

[strange python]

????

[mental trout]

what taza trinket?

[lyric dock]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[strange python]

Ticking sack of terror is insane lmao

[limber lion]

That's the wrong reply

[limber lion]

It's really, really good.

[odd hazel]

Mastery

[strange python]

?? So?

226 taza sims on par with 239 phial

It's absurdly strong even with the mastery

[mental trout]

man my two target patch work for Sin sims like 900 more then my outlaw. I suck at 2+ targets with Sin =/

[limber lion]

2t is where it's at for sin.

[odd hazel]

Absurdly isn’t a good word for it tbh.

[limber lion]

That's the good stuff.

[strange python]

If a 226 trinket sims on par with a 239 version of our bis that's kind of exactly what "absurdly good" would be, no?

[mental trout]

like i on the nine, im only doing 300 more dps then the eye...

[limber lion]

The eye is not a 2t fight

[mental trout]

im doing some thing so wrong...

[limber lion]

The Nine also has 2t in it

You're not using really fair comparisons here lol.

[mental trout]

yea i know lol. im saying with another target im only doing 300 more dps.

[limber lion]

But nine is not a 2t fight either

They're both similar.

They both have multiple targets for some periods of the fight

[mental trout]

yea i guess

true

[limber lion]

The Nine is mostly st

And so is the Eye.

[south hollow]

uwu

[limber lion]

I mean I sim like 50% more with a secondary target.

A second target is nuts for sin.

[iron heath]

Feelcrafty

[strange python]

The nine is more 2t on mythic but still more ST

[mental trout]

so what fights do you guys consider true cleave?

fate? KT?

[strange python]

Not fate. Kt is more AoE than 2t

Not really any true 2t fights this tier

The nine and eye probably closest

[limber lion]

Yeh, there isn't really a 2t cleave fight.

Huntsman is a good 2t fight. :)

[strange python]

Maybe I'm just salty I'm always doing rings on fate tho

[mental trout]

just trying to make a list of what fights i should just roll with outlaw over sin

[strange python]

None

[limber lion]

None of them

[strange python]

Outlaw bad

[kind talon]

Fate is a cleave fight

Constant adds

[strange python]

Outlaw is a pad spec that brings nothing to the table that isn't done better by a monk or DK (or sin)

[kind talon]

Soulrender is half and half

[kind talon]

Outlaw has the best sustained single target while cleaving

It’s just how the spec works

[strange python]

¿

Username relevant?

[kind talon]

Never mind

[limber lion]

That's just incorrect lol

[strange python]

Sin rips energy into primary target so much more effectively

Let alone affliction

[balmy condor]

oh boy are we feelcrafting damage profiles again

[limber lion]

Just because you do a single target rotation as Outlaw in aoe

doesn't mean it's the best single target spec in aoe.

[gloomy knoll]

hey @balmy condor how does sin apl use shadowgrasp

[balmy condor]

on cd

[gloomy knoll]

ty 🙂

[strange python]

Tab targeting a rupture and garrote stops all your prio damage though, Cev!

Even though it gives full EP/envenom uptime

[balmy condor]

it's a slight gain to hold for flag haste on sub/sin, but it's so minor that it's not worth putting in imo

[limber lion]

and for lust

[gloomy knoll]

so you're saying hold every flag for vendetta

[limber lion]

if that's something that you hold

[balmy condor]

considering it's an optimization specifically for venth, and shadowgrasp in particular

[limber lion]

surely

[gloomy knoll]

and drop totem with it

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

[gloomy fern]

i can only be arsed to sync my first totem

[strange python]

Just get fae guardians so vend is up 10 seconds after flag is up

[gloomy fern]

rest i just SEND

[ebon notch]

rank 37 mythic eye

how the fuck do these people

get near 9k dps

[strange python]

I got rank 8 or something when we killed it and I don't have sockets or phial

[woeful schooner]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[strange python]

Idk how much it's dropped since

[ebon notch]

what was your kill time

or dps

[strange python]

7:50 and 7400.

[ebon notch]

ah oki

ours is

40 seconds longer lmao

and i got 7.3k

[strange python]

Im assuming any DPS over 8k has had omega gear or their 3set

Lol there's only one rogue at 9k, he has 239 phial, 239 fusion amp, unholy 3set, and zero downtime on eye (they have their overlap down)

[visual stratus]

I get that Outlaw is a pretty bad spec this tier for raiding. Why is it that the top end guilds in RWF mostly have brought Sub Rogues as opposed to Assa Rogues? They're both really good ST specs, but it seems that Assa is performing better looking at data on Warcraftlogs.

[silent fossil]

sub funnels boss dmg

[pale fossil]

Assa is more forgiving, so playing in PUGs and decent guilds mean that it's going to look better, but Sub does better ST damage with the right execution.

[silent fossil]

and for say guardian it just edges more dps for the tight enrage

[strange python]

Only with many adds. With only one sin funnels more

[bleak sedge]

also sub has better burst than assa does

[silent fossil]

yes? and the bosses that are pure st or have multiple adds to funnel the rwf guilds with rogues played them as sub. the easier / 1-3 add target bosses were played as assass.

[bleak sedge]

asssa has good sustain dmg and super unrealiable burst

vs adds that have to die dast sub is way better because sub with SoD and SD has burst+

[visual stratus]

Makes sense. Traditionally having a very bursty profile has been valuable in high end mythic raiding environments

Looking at data from Heroic, Sub has started outperforming Assa (on less parses mind you). Interesting.

Rogue feels so good right now. The buffs really hit great.

[odd hazel]

We got no buffs besides sub

?

[visual stratus]

Assasination got buffed a bunch in patch 9.0.5

Remember when they were in the gutter?

[odd hazel]

That’s 9.0.5

Not now

[visual stratus]

Yea

And those buffs contributed to Rogue feeling really good right now

[teal bloom]

Was wondering why mastery haste necklace was outsimming my crit vers neck by like 50 dps in dungeonslice even though the ilevel is the same and crit is good in aoe. Did stat weight sim and for some reason haste is atm the best stat by far even though my haste is like 19% so not very low 🤔

[odd hazel]

Mastery is better for dslicee

I think most run a ton of crit /mastery

[teal bloom]

I mean crit is generally the most valuable stat in dungeons but sim doesn't like my necklace that has a lot of crit. It values haste more in dungeonslice than in single target for me right now which I think is weird

[stone gate]

is nadja the best soulbind for assassin?

[limber lion]

Sure

#pvp

[odd hazel]

Nadja is good for pure ST/etc but theotar seems to be the move with M+

Down with the kyrian

[ocean light]

Do you not want Haste on Obedience?

[limber lion]

Sure if you only play Assassination

But if you wanna multispec, crit/vers is the better choice

[ocean light]

ah okay, thank you. Crit/Haste if it's my assassination only legendary then?

[balmy condor]

that looks like you simmed patchwerk

[limber lion]

Yep!

[ocean light]

thanks thanks

[thorn crater]

32 PF runs in and I finally have my Phial. Deleting my key if it ever goes PF again lmao

[strange python]

18 plaguefalls now. No phial

I'm so depressed

[spiral warren]

With Obedience, is it better to just spam as many finishers or do we still go for max cp finishers?

[odd hazel]

Never max, always max - 1

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor

I wish i simmed that much in patchwerk sadge

[balmy condor]

[teal bloom]

hmmm..

[balmy condor]

wtf is that

[teal bloom]

Idk I don't think I changed anything I guess I'll try to run the sim again

[hollow phoenix]

Is assa in m+ better with triple potency theotar?

[odd hazel]

Yes

[hollow phoenix]

Which third are you picking then?

Poison damage?

[timid talon]

yea, lashing, fan, poison

[hollow phoenix]

fair

ty

[strange python]

Legit considering buying a heroic sylv kill for vault chance since we're going straight to 5/10 first

[teal bloom]

@balmy condor Ok I was trying something like a week ago and forgot to remove it from the custom apl box. didn't make a difference though

[swift moss]

if I am just coming back and am 220 ilvl should I get doomblade for the flexibility or just go for obedience?

[azure bronze]

Obedience is more flexible then doomblade

[limpid bison]

So with this. It would be 4 cp finishers and 5 with deep strat?

[gentle gyro]

obedience gives you more options

[swift moss]

alr will go for obedience then I had thought doomblade was more flexible guess its otherway around xD

[echo cargo]

obedience is pog on fights like KT where flag lines up w/ the phylactery

vers also good if ur healers are pepega

[gentle gyro]

obedience is good for every type of content and even other specs if you feel like it

doomblade is a tiny bit ahead for pure st according to

[swift moss]

alr have 235 finality and 235 celerity so obedience would just be for sin tbh

[gentle gyro]

but negligible

[azure bronze]

It's very weird that the ST patchwerk sims on Simcraft website use obedience for assa

[surreal flame]

Hi, assassination and finesse specs bring the same dps? (ST / DS)

[gentle gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iJ9ByF5BBDKA1qdd9yNYmY
had to put my rogue on the backseat since my guild made me play disc priest

[manic quartz]

lel. 226 Shadowgrasp outsims the Tormented Rack Fragment raid trinket >_<

[timid talon]

because it was better when those sims were published

[azure bronze]

nah the sims have actually changed since then

[thorny pond]

SGT is good and rack fragment is not

[pure bloom]

always sim youreself

Those sites mostly not up to date

[gentle gyro]

wait, couldn't I look up the opener for my sim somewhere?

[pure bloom]

quiksim

[gentle gyro]

ow, alright

[azure bronze]

according to simc website the latest sims were done yesterday so

[balmy condor]

not how sims work

[azure bronze]

ah okay

thought they were updated weekly or something

[balmy condor]

it just resims the profile that's submitted

there's "sample" characters I guess you can call them

the timestamp just shows when it gets simmed

but those sample characters don't change really

[pure bloom]

@balmy condor is our guy for the theorycraft 😛

[balmy condor]

I'm also the one that submitted that profile

so technically it's my fault that it's simming obedience

[azure bronze]

I see that makes a lot more sense

[balmy condor]

I might submit a new profile though cause fusion amp got buffed

need to double check some stuff

[balmy condor]

also not true btw, all the pins and sims and stuff are updated

we did it live within like 2 hours of the announced fix :P

[limber lion]

"we"

man does the sims by himself

[balmy condor]

it's a community

we

[limber lion]

while 200 people watch

[balmy condor]

together

all together

[placid pagoda]

I thought mastery was a dead stat for assa but recently seeing a lot more people running crit mast?

[balmy condor]

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oV8rzS8G2vTTLJmeRyvkgn

I never make mistakes

in my life

ever

(don't fact check that)

[azure bronze]

damn guardian trinket now beating shadowgrasp totem

[balmy condor]

yeh

it wasn't implemented properly

[night leaf]

hey mate

will you share updates on the sims pinned here?

I am curious what caused the dos changes in sims, trinkets? simulationcraft.org

last weeks changes

[balmy condor]

yeah I'll update pins eventually

it's just that fusion amplifier was undersimming, especially for sin

and that got fixed

the other thing not reflected is the set bonuses having ranks

so just needs a resim

[night leaf]

aha ok thanks

[balmy condor]

probably will do it later tonight or tomorrow

[night leaf]

much appreciated sir

[gloomy knoll]

wait what obedience bis for sin?

[placid pagoda]

Is EP only worth taking if you can constantly keep the buff up? @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

always has been

it's a gear thing from what I know

[balmy condor]

no

it's just good

[gloomy knoll]

interesting

why pins been saying it's not this whole time lol

[odd hazel]

because its technically not the best

[balmy condor]

??????????

what the fk u mean

[odd hazel]

but im not sure where pins say that

[gloomy knoll]

pins have doomblade ahead

[balmy condor]

or do you mean the outdated sims at the top

[hollow river]

in ST

[placid pagoda]

All my sims put doom ahead

[balmy condor]

need to rerun that

[heavy vessel]

what site has the trinket comparisons?

[gloomy knoll]

yea i meant the sims

[hollow river]

herodamage or bloodmallet idr

[placid pagoda]

Ultimately it comes down to your gear too @gloomy knoll

[gloomy knoll]

so is there new sims for sub also or just sin @balmy condor ?

[heavy vessel]

thanks

[soft shale]

set lvls were not in before

[gloomy knoll]

oh so that's mostly just power from

the unholy set bonus

lvls

[soft shale]

the other ones are still decent too but yea

i actually dont know if the one we have is lvl 1

or 5

but if its 1

we about to get 3 k dps

[balmy condor]

gonna rerun both

[soft shale]

although tbh we wont have rank 5 until 1 month or more from now so

[ebon notch]

anyone willing to look through my sylvanas log

[graceful mirage]

so uh how worth is the blood set bonus at 2 gems(haven't got any other gems than blood)

[winged basin]

How do you properly use Fusion Amp.

[strange python]

You push the button

[winged basin]

Smart and Helpful

actually gamebreaking holy shit

smh

[soft shale]

blood set is decent at 2 but how far are you from shadow set

as long as you can get all the shadow ones at 3 next week you're fine

as rank 4 will take 2 weeks on all shadow gems

shadow set lvl 3 takes 60 embers total

just do the substraction with what you can spend

[graceful mirage]

i have uh

0 shadow or unholy gems

[soft shale]

yea but im telling you to save 60 to insta upgrade them when you get them

there are 9 in total if you clean at least normal every week

[graceful mirage]

im not planning on upgrading anything don't worry

[soft shale]

you will have them eventually

[graceful mirage]

im talking bout the set bonus

[soft shale]

yea that is why i said get them to 2

that only takes 15

[daring pebble]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[distant flint]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[winged basin]

thats old ^^^^^^

[odd hazel]

Sim your self though is correct

[winged basin]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[winged basin]

wrong command

we are knocking our roster down to 10 people til guild kills fatescribe and kt

I am top raid dps, didnt make the cut cause rogue doesnt have utiltity

im about to go play ffixv with asmongold

[torn atlas]

Gross

[graceful mirage]

thats's rough, buddy

[torn atlas]

That sucks dude

[winged basin]

it feels really bad

dont really feel like putting as much work in anymore

2nd time this has happened. last time they put together an "A Team" to push they spent all night on Remnant

[odd hazel]

the teams that do that for normal are idiots

[winged basin]

Heroic*

but yeah

[odd hazel]

even for heroic

just making excuses for them selfs

[winged basin]

doing it to "recruit" cause our prog is behind

we are only on Fate instead of sylvanas

so 10 man roster til sylvanas

cause apparently the adds fall over with 10 people

[graceful mirage]

behind compared to who?

[winged basin]

: )

[graceful mirage]

world firsts?

[winged basin]

we went from top 50 on the server to 107

ecks dee

they told us to just pug fate and KT

raid leader did it so we should be able to

[graceful mirage]

unless they're actively going for world/realm firsts is kinda stupid

[odd hazel]

you mean do more progress then them as a team?

sounds like mine

[winged basin]

just frustrating, really starting to lose desire to play

[graceful mirage]

In my guild we have an A core which is the hardcore prog, and the B core which is a more casual but still aiming for prog group

im mostly on the B for time constraints

[odd hazel]

tbh, i would just find a new guild. That team sounds like they are idiots

[misty holly]

Dang, just step inside the raid and you are top 20 on my server lol

big servers are a different world...

[winged basin]

with these 2 grey parses?

yeah good luck

[misty holly]

Who cares that just means you died. Your numbers on every other boss are great.

[winged basin]

: )

: )))))))))

[misty holly]

No one is going to discard your app because you died on your first kill of a new boss.

Now if you had 4 kills and died on every one that might raise some questions.

[winged basin]

its undesireable to me personally unfortunately, I dont want to apply to a guild looking half assed like that

[balmy condor]

I hate to be that guy, but this channel is way way off topic from the woes of guild rosters

feel free to dm about it

[winged basin]

[oak canopy]

hey just wanted to double check with deeper stratagem it's ok to use finishers at 4 cp?

[balmy condor]

no

[oak canopy]

haha ok so mut even at risk of overcap

i thought that might be right but wanted to double check

[balmy condor]

we don't play around seal fate at all

correct

[cyan surge]

Anyone have edge of night yet? Does the proc give the purple smoke like it should or is it still bugged?

[soft shale]

purple swirl is from unholy set

daggers just do a splash when they proc

[cyan surge]

Ty

[halcyon zealot]

toadie, there’s more to logs than the color of the number next to ur dps 🙂

[fallow estuary]

Hmmmmm - so many rogues using phantom fire

idk why agility sims better for me ever since the addon started

[halcyon zealot]

think agi/stones are just a more consistent safe choice, oils/phantom is kind of a dice roll with rng, but nice if you get lucky, i also think they changed phantom fire this patch iirc? haven’t looked into it much cuz i’m a stone/agi pot guy

[fallow estuary]

Even with phantom stones are stronger

according to sim

[balmy condor]

it's just rng high rolls

phantom fire can rng, agi is consistent

[halcyon zealot]

didnt they change the proc or something on phantom whispyr or am i completely making that up?

[untold nest]

they made it do less dmg and proc more but still more rng than agi pot

agi will get u for example every time 200 dps, PF can get u 150, can get u 250

[soft shale]

pf can highroll really high

it can proc a lot and ALSO crit

agility is way more smooth

for assa i like agi pots a lot better i still use oil because i have like 30000 of them tho

[mild dagger]

worth saving salvaged fusion amplifier trinket for 30s for vendetta?

[grizzled orbit]

Haven't played with CT in ages. How should I effectively use it on Roh-Kalo? Spam it when adds come out or only make sure the dot is up until dead?

[halcyon zealot]

you dont spam CT, its just a "keep it up" dot

[grizzled orbit]

Yeah, I didn't know if the intital hit on use would be more beneficial than the dot. Considering the adds only last a few seconds. Thank you though.

[halcyon zealot]

if youre talented into it for that fight, you can also use it in ST outside of shiv windows

[real pewter]

is there a way to sim domination sets?

[odd hazel]

yes

it does it for you if you have one on

[real pewter]

is there a way to sim it without an actual set?

[urban thistle]

no

[balmy condor]

trinkets are not affected by spec mechanics

[balmy condor]

top gear, just sim the gems

[cerulean nest]

that unholy set hngggg

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rMqu8iTAe7fNg7DSLBbN9x

[real pewter]

how much of a dps increase was it? @cerulean nest

[marble hemlock]

@balmy condor

[soft shale]

upgrade your gems kanye my man

[winged basin]

252 shoulders

[balmy condor]

hi bb

[winged basin]

off tarragrue

poogies

[balmy condor]

what's your least favorite boss and why is it kel'thuzad

[winged basin]

so far my least favorite boss is the one we are progging on

cause we cant do mechanics

[marble hemlock]

cause none of his adds refund my bonespikes

obviously