assassination

[young nacelle]

unless youre necro. then yeah doomblade

[lunar otter]

Mmmmmm

[manic pebble]

my r4 zold is better than r4 obed in m+, interesting

[forest shoal]

what are the biggest dps mistakes for rotation? letting rupture/garrotte fall off? refreshing too soon and missing an envenom?

[cedar crater]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[toxic marsh]

does vers increase poison/bleed dmg just as much as mastery? like 1% = 1%?

[dim ledge]

doomblade is on cloak with crit/haste?

[wanton path]

if I'm playing assa and sub should I craft vrit vers or crit haste on obedience

probs play assa for more fights I think

[gusty mirage]

crit vers probably

[wanton path]

yeh well it looks like haste is worse for sub than vers is for assa so less downside

[forest shoal]

is it still important to refresh with the 7sec remaining?

[balmy condor]

vers multiplies all damage

if you have a dot for 100 damage, and you have 50% mastery, that's 150 damage

50% vers on top of that would be 225 damage (+75)

[forest shoal]

@balmy condor what's the reasoning behind the 7sec refresh on rupture? or is that a holdover in the guide from bfa traits?

[stone gate]

Is there somewhere I can check go see the plaustyles etc of the specs

[red plaza]

Pandemic timer, if you refresh rupture it adds those 7 seconds to the new rupture

[forest shoal]

Thx @red plaza where is that in the spellbook?

[echo geyser]

it is not in spellbook

[red plaza]

It’s a game mechanic that most all classes have

[forest shoal]

its just a hidden mechanic? ok thx

i kept looking for it :9

I think that's where I might be Fn up my dps. I've noticed I'm refreshing just as its falling off

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[forest shoal]

so in the long run, im missing a bunch of envenoms

[safe barn]

theres a first for everything i guess

its only hc but still

im really happy

[red plaza]

Grats!!!! Doomblade or OB?

[safe barn]

doomblade

im necro

[runic maple]

is there like a secret formula on the anima powers for the first boss? I see that everyon is cranking big numbers, do they all reroll or is it just pick dps anima powers and go?

[tacit pilot]

for ppl going OB u guys making a cape?

[timid cloud]

[tacit pilot]

where in the pins does it say?

[safe barn]

9.1 Specific things
Domination Gems are Unholy set, and the damage gems for both frost and blood.
Obedience on Cloak
Doomblade on Cloak
Zold on Legs
Dashing on Cloak
Resounding on Waist
Sylvanas Daggers are very strong in single target, will however lose in aoe, since the effect is single target. Sim yourself or look at the comparisons here for an idea: https://tinyurl.com/2xav5yk8

[outer zinc]

what stats should I craft on obedience if im planning to play both sin and sub?

[shell ivy]

Can someone put me up to date with our domination gear? Not sure about our bis pieces/set

I can read we need unholy set but also frost and blood gems?

Still unsure about how this works

[forest shoal]

3x Unholy, 1 DPS Blood, 1 DPS Frost

[shell ivy]

Aren’t there only a few domination socket slots? I didn’t know there would be 5 actually

[forest shoal]

Head, Chest, Shoulder

for all classes

gloves/boots for leather

[shell ivy]

So how do u fill in the 2 others

Ohhhh

[fresh kernel]

so i was dumb and forgot my spec... and got a 1hand sword drop at 246 in my chest... you think it is worth while to grab that still over the lower 226 choices..

still gearing up.

[regal pelican]

Do i use crimson tempest in ST if im talented to it or I hold it? and in packs should i spam it or just use and wait for dot to fall off

[shadow quail]

How long time does it take to change a covenant now? You have to do all the story and get renown again? Thinking of changing from Night Fae

[heavy vessel]

Maintain CT when not in shiv on single target. Don’t spam in packs. Maintain CT and spread gar/rup

[dim temple]

So my USA friends, have u crafted, the new lego?

[forest shoal]

235 Obed. here

[dim temple]

is it good?

[forest shoal]

its fun watching ur vers jump that's for sure

[dim temple]

will dps meters go pop when u use it .. or just meh?

[forest shoal]

vers is almost always a hill rather than a spike

[oak tangle]

isn't that just assass as a whole

[dim temple]

how much cooldown can u on from flag

[forest shoal]

i think perfect execution is 27 stacks

[dim temple]

Do you hit 1 min cooldown or ?

[forest shoal]

i wasnt perfect

[tulip dragon]

hey im new to rogue and bout to pick my covenant. just wondering if anyone has good advice to what spec / covenant is best for raiding/ m+/ pvp? is there a good all rounder covenant that i can respec for different content? cheers

[forest shoal]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[oak tangle]

both outlaw and assass like haste, so venth wouldn't be too bad, outlaw for keys and assass for raiding

[tulip dragon]

iv checked out a fair few guides but they all seem to recommend different specs and covenants for different content so was just wondering if there was a good allrounder

[oak tangle]

pick one you think is fun, and go with that

venth outlaw is probably capable of doing everything at a good level

[fathom flax]

I got a 252 dominas dagger from GV, why is my 220 boa dagger swimming higher than my 233 Sylvanas dagger in offhand?

I actually don’t understand

Surely raidbots is wrong

[tulip dragon]

not a bad call. what are your thoughts on necro as an all rounder?

[fathom flax]

Simming* ain’t no water here

[oak tangle]

never looked at necro tbh

been NF and Venth only

[fathom flax]

I don’t believe that the secondary stats on OH are better than the weapon damage + proc

[tulip dragon]

okay sweet thanks for the help mate

[oak tangle]

i find it ironic that sylvanas' execute dagger has 0 use on her lol

[royal wasp]

i'm having issues with my opener. i mut-SnD-mut and then im just completely drained and unable to garrote for multiple seconds

is this normal or am i maybe lower on haste on something than where i should be?

[grizzled orbit]

Stupid question, should I be reapplying CT on CD on Soulrender? Or just use on adds when they are up?

[oak tangle]

if you're taking CT you're apply it on cd

[plain thistle]

you refresh outside shiv

for ST

[plain thistle]

O.o should not happen

[pale fossil]

Does the Sylvanas dagger have an enchant?

Make sure to add one to it when you sim, if it doesn't already have one.

[echo geyser]

link

[gaunt mortar]

guys i need advice

i got my bis helm to drop for me and a 246 crit haste ring to drop but idk which to pick

the helm is only 226

[scenic root]

[gaunt mortar]

i did and it says the helm

but the helm has a chance of dropping in the raid on friday for me hence why i dont knw if i should just go with the ring

[cloud bramble]

if its 226, it's not bis, let it go

[upbeat needle]

i'd do ring tbh

yeah 226 shit is gonna get replaced like.. well now lol

if you're in heroic

[gaunt mortar]

we are starting with normal raid

[scenic root]

The gigga brain would be not to pick either until after you raid

[upbeat needle]

do you do keys?

[gaunt mortar]

yea im just gonna do that

[upbeat needle]

if so, fuck 226

[gaunt mortar]

and yes i do

been doing 12s and higher

[scenic root]

Don't follow this advice.

[upbeat needle]

just disregard the 226 bis doesn't matter at normal ilvls too much unless it's like the sylv daggers

play for the long run

in this situation

[gaunt mortar]

yea its the cap of writhing Malevolence

ok thank you

[upbeat needle]

np np gl at raid

[hollow river]

How come every rogue and their mothers got 252 daggies, phials, and sylvanas daggies from their vault

[scenic root]

Ilvl will always be better when this new into raid tier. Cause anything good stats lower ilvl will be replaced sooner

[hollow river]

And I get dookie

[strange python]

So do people not like using mfd bc it's bad or bc they can't hit the extra button for some reason lol

[gaunt mortar]

my pally got a 246 weapon lol

[scenic root]

In what context?

[strange python]

M+

[scenic root]

M+?

[hollow river]

Tends to sim worse

[strange python]

Worse than vigor?

[scenic root]

Better talent with subterfuge

[hollow river]

I’d assume so yeah

[strange python]

I guess having the extra energy lets you get off more subterfuge garrotes right

[keen pike]

So can you parse as night fae or no?

[hollow river]

Depends on what kind of parse you’re talking

I’m sure you could get purple parses

Idk about orange

[winged basin]

killed painsmith in 5 pulls tonight after wiping 25 times yesterday

[hollow river]

Gratz

[winged basin]

6 bosses in a 2.5 hour raid sesh

[hollow river]

Hellyeah

[winged basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/zuljin/hikigaeru

[hollow river]

We started heroic tonight

And got to soulrender

[winged basin]

I died on remnant and painsmith but I was absolutely beasting the meters tonight

[hollow river]

What’d u hit

Oh shit man

Nice

[winged basin]

really disappointed in my death on painsmith, I was doing so well just couldnt hang on at the end too much damage

[hollow river]

Was that with obedience?

Or doomblade

I feel like I’m messing up somewhere

Rogues hitting 7k+ on soulrender I’m doing 6k

[winged basin]

Doomblade

I haven’t touched obed yet

[hollow river]

Hmph

[winged basin]

Are you running CT on Soulrender?

[hollow river]

Yeah I did my last couple pulls

Still pulled like 6k

[winged basin]

CT did almost as much as my white melee lol

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m keeping it up on soulrender

Then using fok ct on adds

And fok to spread ruptures and a couple garrotes

[regal zodiac]

How does kyrian feel for sin rogue?

[winged basin]

Weird, I put a 3 cp rupture on every add, manage my bleeds on painsmith and reapply CT

[hollow river]

Not too good

[winged basin]

Really really clunky, and doesn’t preform well at all

[regal zodiac]

Dang ok thanks:)

[hollow river]

And yeah idk maybe I shouldn’t garrote

Might’ve been putting 4/5 cp rupt into adds

[winged basin]

I did not put garrote up on adds

[north basin]

I feel like blizzard just destroyed obedience hype....

[winged basin]

IMO puttting anything more than 3 is a waste cause with brands adds should die FAST

[hollow river]

I was doing it thinking another bleed=more regen

Right

[winged basin]

I think the nerf is fine. Obedience will still find its niche in a few fights

[wheat stag]

Yeah i tested out obedience tonight and it definitely performed worse than doomblade ):

[hollow river]

Still really good for sub

[hollow river]

Rogue in my raid did 7.3k with obedience

Atm it barely sims under doomblade

[wheat stag]

Going to be plonking around with it more, eliminate variables and my own screw ups though

[winged basin]

JCP was running obedience sin all night

[hollow river]

Really lmao

[winged basin]

Yeah

[hollow river]

For sub it bangs

Afaik

[winged basin]

He was doing like 8.5k on remnant

[hollow river]

Sub rogue was doing 7k on soulrender too

[winged basin]

It definitely bangs on sub

[north basin]

Its good, no dispute about this, but we humans like hype and real performance..

[hollow river]

But padding SS BP

On adds

[winged basin]

I’m off for the night my lil roguelets. Have a good night happy vault day for the EU peeps

[hollow river]

Honestly my time with rogue may be done

Got into an 8/10 guild but they want me to gear a ranged

[north basin]

Gn8

[hollow river]

Now I gotta pick which ranged I wanna play

Sadge

[devout glen]

I believe in you bro find a guild who will take u as rogue

[north basin]

If blizzard didnt nerf obe, limit would take rogue = good rogue PR for other raidleaders = no pressure to swap rogue=> anyranged class. Its all same chainlink, blizzard just ruined fun for us

[devout glen]

it needed the nerf

[scenic root]

Other Rwf guilds are running rogue. The fact that some kills have 11 melee is huge for raid leads who think more than 5 melee dps is wrong

[devout glen]

if rogue doesnt get anymore changes we should be very grateful for what we are this tier

historically

[north basin]

I see how blizzard trained rogue community (, some are ready to praise blizzard just for not nerfing us too much)) meanwhile other classes just keep rock tier after tier)))

[strange python]

How’s night fae for assa?

[devout glen]

im confused what ur trying to say

[hollow river]

I haven’t been able to find a guild that will take rogue

[devout glen]

rogue is good brother

lol

[hollow river]

That has over 5/10 mythic CN

Everyone has plenty of melee

And I don’t have raid experience over 4/10 CN

This guild says they’ll take any good ranged class or even DH

[quartz willow]

Ye no one takes rogues i had a hard time too

[hollow river]

So I’m gonna prolly trial as rogue and level something else

[north basin]

Rogue is good, but not enough good for majority of guildleaders to aknowledge it. We need more than good buffs to change tide

[hollow river]

This guild is on the dead server I switched to in order to get my 4/10

So fuck it for now tbh

[devout glen]

what do your logs look like notrick

[quartz willow]

Rogue is garbage if we dont have a raid buff or shitton of dps

[devout glen]

its probably not rogue it could jsut be ur experience

[hollow river]

Haven’t even gotten to show anyone logs

[north basin]

Already had friendly banter about me swapping to ench sham after yesterdays limit stream)), where 0 rogues were present

[devout glen]

rogue is rly strong rn im sure u culd find a better than 5/10 guild to take u as rogue

[hollow river]

They don’t want a rogue

[placid cobalt]

The problem is not the class tbh they probably dont take you in good guilda cos u got no experience

[hollow river]

That too sure

[devout glen]

u just need logs to show u are worth their time thats usually how it works

[placid cobalt]

Plenty of guilds in top 500 recruiting rogues afaik

[hollow river]

That’s top 500

[quartz willow]

Well no one even asks for logs or xp if you are another class bro

I have a rogue mage and ele shaman

[hollow river]

Everyone else is metaslaving to the ranged dps

[placid cobalt]

With that said i agree there are better classes, we are not bad tho

[devout glen]

if the guild doesnt look at ur logs they arent worth ur time imo lol

[hollow river]

...

A lot of guilds trial people

Instead of looks at logs

[quartz willow]

In 9.0 i got into every raid and keys with easy except with rogue

[hollow river]

Yeah being a good ranged class gets u in so much easier

To anything

[regal cape]

Rogue banged in keys in 9.0

It still does

[north basin]

I have all purple logs and one orange this tier, and if i had same logs with arms or dh or monk people would gladly pick em and not rogue. This is what iam talking about

[hollow river]

Rogue has banged keys all expansion

[quartz willow]

I had higher raider io with much less gear with mage lol

[hollow river]

Still I don’t get invited to keys

[quartz willow]

Its not about the dmg guys u dont get it

[hollow river]

Got KSM from last tier

[quartz willow]

Rogue dmg is good

[placid cobalt]

Tbh the only issue with rogue is that since it doesnt bring any actual raid utility they take you for damage period, whereas if they need a warrior or dh they have to get those classes

[hollow river]

Yep

[quartz willow]

Yee thats the thing

[placid cobalt]

U can run with a rogue or not, but u must have dh/war/monk at all costs

[hollow river]

That’s why classes like rogue should do enough damage

[swift sky]

best chance of being invited to keys as a melee is being rogue lol

[hollow river]

To not have a buff

[hollow river]

No

[placid cobalt]

But like, dmg wise in raid i feel like were the top performing melee atm

[hollow river]

Ww

[quartz willow]

As a mage i bring raid buffs blast and iam ranged who the fuck wouöd care about a fkn rogue

[swift sky]

LOL?

[quartz willow]

When lf members

[hollow river]

I’ve seen people specifically advertising “want ww”

[swift sky]

and you haven’t seen any asking for rogues?

[hollow river]

Just like they do for boomie

Nope

Not a single one

[swift sky]

and what was your rio last season?

[hollow river]

I’ve gotten into 3 pugs this season

1400 old io score

[devout glen]

feel like ppl care more about score than class when it comes to a 15

[hollow river]

All ++15s

[placid cobalt]

Rogue is good now in all pve content, if you dont get invited it most likely has to do with your profile

[swift sky]

its both

[hollow river]

Profile?

[swift sky]

why take the 1400 rio rogue when the 2000 rio rogue signs up

[bleak sky]

so not great

[bleak sky]

this tbh

[hollow river]

Dude

[bleak sky]

if you put up a +15 key of any key you get 70+ applicants at 2.3k io last season

and that are already 1800+ this season

there's really no reason to get the 1400 rogue

[placid cobalt]

Precisely this

[hollow river]

U talking about 2.3k blizzard score?

[devout glen]

yeah 15s rn are prob like 18s last season so 15s all last season doesnt rly meet the application

[placid cobalt]

Its not the class its ur profile

[bleak sky]

no, raider io

[hollow river]

I have 2k

[north basin]

Iam 2040 old rio rogue and still all deny for +15, give me a break please))

[regal cape]

How is there so much doom and gloom

when Rogue is good

[swift sky]

i have 1600 current season rating and i had 0 issues of getting into groups

[regal cape]

and fun

[placid cobalt]

I was 2.4 score and ill be spamming all day on eu now thay m+ is opened, i hardly ever got declined

[swift sky]

same

[strange python]

People care more about io than class

[hollow river]

....

[placid cobalt]

Like only if they have already a rogue or smthg then fair enough

[wanton path]

im starting to think sub is a bait what are peeps thinking going into mythic prog

[strange python]

Obviously also depends o. The class

[bleak sky]

some fights go sub, some fights go sin

[quartz willow]

Ppl who say that push their io with friends first

[bleak sky]

or just play what you enjoy

[hollow river]

What is 2.3k io in new score?

[swift sky]

sin was and will always be better at progression unless sub is miles and miles ahead of sin

[devout glen]

i dont think sub is a bait i just think sin is better for prog because u will do more dmg if u get alot of mechanics

[wanton path]

yeh thats what I was gonna do but sub only better pure ST

[hollow river]

I haven’t even SEEN anyone with over 2.3k score NOW

[placid cobalt]

People should care more about io, class meta only really apply on high keys if u think u need boomie+mage to play 15 ur delusional frankly

People timing 15's playing 4 tanks 😄

[regal cape]

Sub and sin are close enough that you legit can just swap for what feels better per fight

[strange python]

Just saying who are you going to invite to a 15? A guy with 2k io or a guy with 1.5

[regal cape]

Mythic first and Eye feel fine on sub

[hollow river]

Sub is good on fights with like 3 or more adds

Dude

[regal cape]

For the Nine sin is probably a safe bet

[hollow river]

What is 2.3k io now

[quartz willow]

The 2k if he brings bl or br

[wanton path]

like besides guardian I dont see another fight I'd want to play sub over assa

[hollow river]

Haven’t seen a single person with over 2.3k io of the new score

My s1 score says 2k

Haven’t seen anyone that much higher

[swift sky]

well a lot of people will be over 2k after this reset

[devout glen]

i think id play sub on fatescribe

[wanton path]

maybe KT for downstairs burst idk

[strange python]

The season just started

[swift sky]

considering majority are 1600+ already

[quartz willow]

Ye bro everyone is jpc here

[limber swallow]

I just ran with a priest who already had 2k

[strange python]

Let the week finish

[hollow river]

No one understand the question

[gleaming sorrel]

cuz we only got points for tyrannical

[placid cobalt]

people are using s1 score, there is literally no value in s2 score when it's been out a week and most good players have been raiding

[strange python]

You can’t translate io dude

[hollow river]

Last tier KSM was 1.3k now it’s 2k

[limber swallow]

it's apples / oranges

[gleaming sorrel]

we didnt get any forti points yet

[limber swallow]

old score and new score are different because you could avoid tyrannical

[quartz willow]

Cringe how ppl boost their raiderio with guildies then say they get taken in every key ofc u get lol

[strange python]

I mean

[idle star]

Has anyone crafted Obedience yet??

[strange python]

I’ve puged every run

Me and a friend

[regal cape]

"cringe how people do keys with friends, and then get a net positive on their score"

[hollow river]

So if my s1 score is 2k why am I not getting invited

.....

[gleaming sorrel]

is it post-s1 score or s1 score?

[strange python]

What are you trying to join

[gleaming sorrel]

big diff

[glacial bough]

cuz u a bitch

[hollow river]

Post

[strange python]

Have you done any keys yet

[glacial bough]

lol jk

[strange python]

Lots of factor dude

[placid cobalt]

whats ur IL? is it 2k blizzard or 2k rio s1?

[gleaming sorrel]

post-s1 2k is not that high

[strange python]

It’s not because you’re a rogue

[hollow river]

That’s what I was asking

Fucks sake

[quartz willow]

Then how come i get insta invites on shaman or mage with less raiderio

Hmmmmmmmm

[limber swallow]

lust

[strange python]

Lust

[regal cape]

lust

decrurse

[quartz willow]

Is that because i have bl and im ranged

[placid cobalt]

it's like you think every key is managed by the same person, what u say makes no sense

[strange python]

Lust

[quartz willow]

OH REALLY

[strange python]

Mostly lust

[placid cobalt]

if u dont get invited it simply means there are better looking people than you in the que

[strange python]

Pretty much

[placid cobalt]

either it's IL, or score, or a combination of both

[regal cape]

Rogue ahas stuns, stuns, melee kick, immune, potential ability to flex your specific cov

[hollow river]

I’m 226

[placid cobalt]

precisely, most people who played this week are 330+

so there u go

[strange python]

You have to think of the comp trick

[swift sky]

for any complainers the meta is usually 1 melee 2 ranged or 3 ranged in m+

[hollow river]

And can’t get into halls or venth as venthyr lel

[strange python]

Do they need lust

A brez

[glacial bough]

is this guy trolling

[swift sky]

rarely they bring more than a melee

[strange python]

Like

Why pug keys just push your own key lmaooo

So many things

[quartz willow]

Well ye if you dont have much higher io than the mage or shaman u habe no chance thats the point

[strange python]

I don’t understand what your not getting

[swift sky]

? rogue has insane utility still

[hollow river]

This is my point

[strange python]

Then stop complaining and play mage? Lol

[placid cobalt]

but it's just not true

[hollow river]

Don’t need any of it

[swift sky]

u do need shroud

[strange python]

If you're tired of not getting invited to keys just push your own key it's not that hard

[swift sky]

so u have combat potion

[hollow river]

U don’t need shroud

[swift sky]

yes you do

[hollow river]

No, u don’t

[strange python]

Okay

He’s trolling

I have

Like

In every dung

[hollow river]

Pugs don’t even ask for shroud 9/10

[quartz willow]

Ye they dont get it bro how pugging works. no one gives a shit about your stuns lol

[strange python]

You can shroud

[regal cape]

So you you do any keys, or just troll. Cause rogue was an extremely value addition to keys last tier and has even more options htis tier as a class

[hollow river]

Last tier sure

Because % mattered for pride

[placid cobalt]

every single top pushing team last season played rogue, but sure, let's say rogue is bad cos u don't get invited in 15 keys

[swift sky]

legit ask any high m+ player and they will all tell u that rogue is the only S tier melee

and ask for their reasoning

they will say the same shit we are saying

[hollow river]

Not even 10 keys smart guy

[strange python]

Notrick do you know that rogue (outlaw) has been insane for m+ for different expacs now?

[hollow river]

No shit they’re gonna say that they do 25s

[quartz willow]

Ppl saying rogue is s tier are missing the point so hard its insane LOL

[regal cape]

What is the point

[hollow river]

You guys are ridiculous

[swift sky]

ah so whats your point then

low keys?

[regal cape]

Case if you build your own score, and just play the game

[quartz willow]

Rogue is strong its all about getting into pugs as rogue

[placid cobalt]

how is it missing the point? check the ladder rogue is used in 90% of the top keys on ladder and you say it's bad

[strange python]

You guys are comparing a class with no lust to a class with lust

Lol

[regal cape]

Pugging as rogue is fine

[gleaming sorrel]

If you care about getting score u should push your own keys or find a guild/community that wants to do so

[hollow river]

Those people have a fucking team the point is pugs pls stfu

[swift sky]

??? you can pug as rogue just fine

[hollow river]

Are you on eu?

[quartz willow]

I pug on 3 chars and rogue is by far the worst class to pug lol

[glacial bough]

y'all need to pug your way into some bitches

[regal cape]

Im alliance rogue

[swift sky]

yea i am on eu

[strange python]

I got my highest io as a rogue

Pugging

[regal cape]

and I can pug

[strange python]

I play shaman, rogue and hunt

[hollow river]

Then pls don’t tell me how it is

[placid cobalt]

@hollow river just stop embarassing yourself, your "rogues need teams while other can pug" argument frankly makes no sense. People don't invite you cos u got low gear and low score compared to average people signing up, there is literally no other reason

[hollow river]

Could be completely different

[swift sky]

why would NA take less rogues than EU in m+

wat

[placid cobalt]

if u had an actually good rio and good gear u'd get invited every key

[hollow river]

Who said they need teams??? I said the rogues on ladder HAVE TEAMS.

[strange python]

He probably got denied to one key and is now crying

[quartz willow]

I get it u all are going for r1 raider io rogue vs jpc

[placid cobalt]

everyone on ladder has teams whats ur point

[strange python]

No we’re not

[hollow river]

That you should leave me alone with your broken logic

[strange python]

Your argument just makes no sense

[quartz willow]

U dont understand anything we are talking about and keep saying rogue is good LOL

[swift sky]

this has nothing to do with being r1 we are simply saying rogue is fucking REALLY GOOD

[quartz willow]

HAHAHA

[gleaming sorrel]

You guys don't have a point you're just denying what we're saying

[hollow river]

I agree with everything u are saying

[placid cobalt]

so let me get this straight, u got here on channel several people playing rogue successfully but u still mantain that rogue cannot be played in pug? sure thing bro

[strange python]

YOU GUYS ARE COMPARING A CLASS WITH LUST AND DECURSE TO A PURE DPS CLASS

[swift sky]

you want rogue to have shroud and cc and lust and damage

[quartz willow]

U guyd have legit 5 iq im outa here LOL HAHSHSHHSAHAHAH

[swift sky]

you basically are asking for everything

[placid cobalt]

im literally telling you with good score u get invited literally everywhere, u just dont believe it i guess

[strange python]

This conversation is dumb ppl get picked or not picked for all sorts of reasons that cannot be quantified by whatever is presented here

You guys want a god class or something

[hollow river]

Except the pugging aspect. Ranged gets in almost anything they apply to

[strange python]

I don’t get it

Listen

Retoll mage

[hollow river]

U could be 800io shaman

[strange python]

And go away

[regal cape]

Multiple classes have issue pugging with low ilv/io. THe only classes that have it """easier""" aare ones that provide a strong party bonus like Lust or brez. But even then most pug groups are looking at highest io and ilv

[hollow river]

And get into a pug

[swift sky]

that is the nature of the game due to the comp being 2 ranged 1 melee or 3 ranged at times and has nothing to do with ROGUES specifically

[strange python]

Like I have 0 issues getting into pugs lmao

[hollow river]

You don’t need a comp for 15s

[swift sky]

same

[placid cobalt]

man no point keep arguing, he just doesnt listen

[strange python]

You need lust

[swift sky]

its their keys they decide what they need and what they dont

[strange python]

And a brez

Bro is just complaining for the sake of complaining

[glacial bough]

y'all are feeding this troll for no reason

[placid cobalt]

cannot blame his own incompetence so it must be the class, even tho there are 10 people telling him otherwise

[glacial bough]

just ignore him lmao

[earnest remnant]

as Ion once said "frankly thats a skill issue"

[hollow river]

You lot are the biggest sack of idiots I’ve ever come across

[strange python]

Yeah if you aren't getting picked it's bc statistically you suck idk what to tell you

“Rogue doesn’t get into keys” LMAO

[plucky epoch]

i just switched covenants, is it normal to not usually get the full 30 stacks on flagellate by the time the debuff on enemy runs out?

[limpid plinth]

Yes it is

[placid cobalt]

30 stacks is a lot

[regal cape]

As sin it is a bit dependant on seal procs

[gleaming sorrel]

i find it a lot easier as sub to reach the 30 stacks

[plucky epoch]

I'm averaging around like 20-22 max usually

on assassination

[balmy sage]

haste/crit in back legendar, right?

[placid cobalt]

thats ok tbh

[gleaming sorrel]

20+ is gucci

afaik

[limpid plinth]

With good crit rng and lust you can reach 30

[plucky epoch]

ty

[gleaming sorrel]

also if u play obedience do u hold vendetta for third flag?

[hollow river]

Should just about line up

[regal cape]

The only time you hold any cd is if it wont result in lost casts over entire fight

[final lantern]

sorry but is obedience still best for assa?

[gleaming sorrel]

i guess

[limpid plinth]

Basic info is you can hold if you dont lose a cast not sure tho

[quartz iris]

^ is it still viable to use as venthyr with the nerf it got?

[hollow river]

Yeah

[regal cape]

3rd flag should line up fairly well with vendetta though

[toxic marsh]

does having higher haste lower gcd?

[hollow river]

Have to sim to see how it does with your current gear

[regal cape]

Not as an energy class

[hollow river]

Seen some people say it’s ~75 dps loss in pure ST parchwerk

[regal cape]

we have a 1sec base gcd thats locked outside of like Adren

[quartz iris]

Ok cause a few rogue friends are getting different results on what's better and I'm assuming it was stat based on which one would be better

[slim jay]

are you able to keep upgrading a shard if its on a piece of gear or does it have to be seperate from the gear?

[hollow river]

Separate afaik

There’s an item you can buy to remove the shard from gear

[fallow otter]

Just take it out

[vestal chasm]

I'm night fae now and covenant switching seems like a giant pain in the ass time sink. I'm trying to figure out what to do too

[slim jay]

you can get caught up in renown in like a week

[hollow river]

Technically even in the 252ilvl sims it’s a miniscule dps loss for pure ST

[plucky epoch]

objectively better in aoe though right compared to doomblade

[hollow river]

Compared to doomblade yes

[vestal chasm]

but there's not a whole lot of aoe going on this raid tier

[strange comet]

guyz what do u think about that sim for mythic https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iQ7d9Gz6pjxmoxMBhJh32h

[hollow river]

If you say so

There’s a couple fights

But adds don’t last very long

[hollow river]

What about it?

[strange comet]

is it enough for mythic u think?

i cant reach 8k doesnt maatter what i do

[floral vale]

its plenty

[hollow river]

Sure

[floral vale]

you're not reaching 8k without mythic gear homes

[hollow river]

Full heroic gear doesn’t hit 8k?

[floral vale]

hmmm

[strange comet]

maybe if i can have 252 MH weapon now i can

[floral vale]

maybe?

[hollow river]

It miiight

[floral vale]

Im at 7.7 ilvl 233 so i guess it's possible

[hollow river]

Yeah

[floral vale]

6 ivls up maybe i would

[quaint lark]

is shadowgrasp totem sim bait on fights with movement?

[strange comet]

o damn 7.7 would burn

its bait yea

[floral vale]

it's pretty quick jbr i dont think so

you just need to use it at an opportune time

[strange comet]

well it take like half min i guess

[hollow river]

Just need to know when to use it

[quaint lark]

i figured it was since it sits in the same spot

gotta try it out

[floral vale]

idk i ran it today in heroic and it slapped

[strange comet]

it slapped the dps chart right?

😄

[floral vale]

i mean yea

3% of my dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KwJ8vA6fGDyraRNH#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=8

and that's on a fight with a good amount of moving around i think

[quaint lark]

damn you blasted tonight

[strange comet]

o wow yea

[floral vale]

lucky with gear

[quaint lark]

tfw no domination gear yet

[floral vale]

i didnt want to run shadowgrasp but tbh i think its good

[south belfry]

5 kills on heroic 6 kills on normal no gear

Yeet

[strange comet]

last mod was really sux for rogues:( hope this mod that changed

[quaint lark]

ya i got a 229 one last week so gotta try it out

[floral vale]

it's really fun to line up with vendetta

[quaint lark]

did pretty good tonight tho

still have a lot to learn with sin

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZPyp96MfXqrAmNdc#fight=60&type=damage-done lmao

[strange comet]

yea every night we raid with guild and im loosing rank 1 spot rarelyyy

[floral vale]

huge dude

[strange comet]

fatescribe is diff tho

but amazing dps

[floral vale]

mal'ganis homies pog

[quaint lark]

have to represent

[strange comet]

ow u roll with 239 dagger ❤️ im envy af 😦

god pls give me 252 from vault 😄

[quaint lark]

ya looted in my box today

[idle star]

The ppl that got 252 daggers are the ones i envy

[strange comet]

can i sim exp. my gear with some random dagger to test?

or u can sim your gear with only what u have in your hand

[balmy condor]

you can use gear compare for that

[nimble tartan]

i got 252 dagger and finished my unholy gem setup today .. im online…

[strange comet]

omg!!!

[nimble tartan]

the 300 agi proc is nutty

[sonic schooner]

i only use BIS LIST

no gear compare

no sims

[balmy condor]

I only feelcraft

I equip all items I get, in alphabetical order, until I'm fully equipped

[sonic schooner]

i was watching you earlier when u were talking about a guys saying that since he got sylv dagger his dmg feels dogshit or something like that

[balmy condor]

yeah that dude's bugged as fuck idk broken character

[sonic schooner]

i dont feel my dmg being badder than before, but i feel like having it on OH increase my dps somehow (even if it s a 233 and my other dagger is a 220...)

also, is it normal that it does 1% of my dps? I feel like the procrate is shittier than it should be 🤔

[ancient peak]

do we get the ability to further upgrade our shards of domination later on?

We can only go as high as ominous right now correct?

[balmy condor]

the bug is that periodic damage is randomly 25% lower

but it's not dagger related from what I can tell

[sonic schooner]

apparently u can

and i got myself a desolate one, might be rep related or something like that 🤔

i see i see

[ancient peak]

i figured it out

thanks

[wraith jungle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sonic schooner]

[nimble tartan]

top gear single gem comparing is bugged

[sonic schooner]

well, it s painsmith but still

sometimes it dsnt proc at all for a whiiiiile

[idle star]

Bs you did not get 3 skits + 3 unholy gems + 252 dagger. Nuh uh...

[nimble tartan]

today i got 2 unholy gems and my daggie i had the dommie sockets + 1 gem from last week clear

also got the heroic kt trinket it seem kinda doodoo

[sonic schooner]

i have every gems ready but still not a single socket

[idle star]

Oh you raid right after reset?

[timid talon]

Anyone else have all shards but the dps unholy one? because same 😐

[manic pebble]

I have sockets but no gems

Why

[sonic schooner]

we re all sad for a different reason 😔

[opaque tree]

^ truth

[wintry terrace]

yeah ive looted all frost and blood shards lmao

not a single unholy

but, the bright side is theres only unholy left for me to get lol

[idle star]

I want the frost shard so i can upgrade it straight away

[strange python]

are those crit/haste korthia daggers worth using as filler until I can get actual daggers

@226

[idle star]

Yeh well you can make em 220 pre easily. You wont get to upgrade past that for a while.

[strange python]

o yeah 220

I didn't realize you needed exalted to go higher lmao

[idle star]

Yeh thats going to take forever. The upgrades will be useless on a main by then. Mainly catchup

[sturdy bone]

Im stupid if i change back to necro ? (Playing in the midfield rank 300 world isch guild)

[native belfry]

Guys, is there any info about upgraded tier sets? Which one would be better upgraded?

[balmy condor]

tier sets?

you mean the gems?

[wintry terrace]

venth or necro is fine tbh, it wont make or break mythic prog.

[native belfry]

Yes, sure

[balmy condor]

that's in the pins, unholy set, and then frost/blood dps gem

[native belfry]

Oh, thanks, I must’ve missed it(

[sharp mist]

as a venth sin rogue what lego is my best bet for raiding?

[balmy condor]

also in the pins

[native belfry]

So the upgraded unholy still beats the other two?

[balmy condor]

yes

the unholy set is just the best

[native belfry]

=_= Got 0 unholy shards so far

[balmy condor]

that's fine

you'll have them in like 2-3 weeks

[native belfry]

I hope so, drop is super random(

But I had a dagger from 1st kill, so no complains

[balmy condor]

you get 1 chance per boss, regardless of difficulty

[native belfry]

Ye, and that means lfr is mustdo now(

[native belfry]

Thank you for your work, Whispyr, as always:)

[paper blaze]

hello im new to assasin rogue wich leggo u recomend me to craft first im venthyr but with the nerf idk if i should use obedience

[low epoch]

is relic of frozen wastes sim bait or legit

[sharp mist]

Im torn between obidience and doomblade

[primal turret]

Doomblade should be crafted on hands right?

[ionic kelp]

cloak cause hands has dom socket

[primal turret]

I thought so but im seein all rogues in logs with doomblade in hands

[forest shoal]

likely old ones they didn't bother recrafting

[primal turret]

Okey

I'm still not sure if i should craft obedience or doomblade

[ionic kelp]

probably cause they didn’t get hands with dom socket yet

[robust walrus]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[fleet anchor]

What exactly would be sim bait about it?

[lavish grove]

Why has it changed to haste versa instead of crit haste?

[echo cargo]

normally i'd say sim yo self

but that weight is wrong as hell for me lmao

[frosty gyro]

TBH according to bloodmallet crit > haste atm, and crit >> haste for AOE

[fallen arch]

For me too it seems

[frosty gyro]

And mastery/vers are bad

[wise gull]

still can't decide between 239 dom socket headpiece or 252 crit/vers belt from vault

[fallen arch]

Mastery is fine for aoe situations

[frosty gyro]

headpiece

unless you have one already

[wise gull]

0 unholy shards so i'm very unlikely to get a 3piece this week anyway

i feel like i'm a lot more likely to get a headpiece in the next few weeks

and the belt will probably last the tier

[wintry terrace]

252 crit/verse belt is some good stats, that would be a tough choice

[wise gull]

it'll just feel super lame if i take a 239 headpiece just to get it in heroic this week

[echo cargo]

i'd say belt if you plan on constantly doing norms / heroic

[wintry terrace]

You could always sit on the vault this week for a bit, get a few raid nights in and then make the choice

[wise gull]

our second raid night is monday lmao

[wintry terrace]

back to back vault days eyyy

[wise gull]

and i want my keystone

[wintry terrace]

You'll get your keystone if you do a key

I did the same thing last week, held onto vault for a bit to see what i got first night of raiding plus tazevesh hardmode.

I got my 17 key right after doing a +10

on the tuesday

[wise gull]

i feel like i just take belt

[wheat jungle]

Anyone else kinda concerned that flag is gonna get our core spec nerfed (rather than venthyr)? As a necro rogue that would really suck

[wise gull]

in a month or two from now the idea of taking a heroic piece from your vault is gonna be laughable

[wintry terrace]

the thoughts there, but i don't think we are on the blizz nerf agenda yet

yeah the belt will last the tier

also a good belt for outlaw if you wanted to m+ with that

[wheat jungle]

Hopefully. I just hate how they seem to be adjusting the base specs rather than the borrowed powers.

Not everyone is necessarily the bis cov

Because we don’t have the same bis for all content

[wintry terrace]

Borrowed power is hard to adjust when they made it the way they did.

Free swaps aren't really a thing (except the 1 time use one), so if they nerf borrowed power then everyone feels obligated to swap

and that feels awful

[wheat jungle]

I’ve already swapped covenant 4 times now

So it’s not like they’re shy of making us swap when it suits them

[wintry terrace]

I think i'm at 3 now lol

I know they aren't against making players swap. It just feels awful from a player perspective.

[full tide]

I'm at 5

Kyrian - NF - Venthyr - Necro - Venthyr

probably going back Necro

Wanted to try Venthyr for the raid since it's easier to execute and slightly slightly better

Plus lets me play Sub too

Bonespike is just more fun gameplay xd

[agile geode]

Not even a rogue in race to wf

Lel

[slender berry]

echo will run atleast 1 rogue

[neon cloak]

Method as well

[slender berry]

limit has always preferred utility /safe strats over raw dps

[tardy knoll]

Do shards have a set drop or it can drop dron any boss

[slender berry]

jaina for example

[timid talon]

really only because we offer 0 utility and if they didnt get a dagger in their splits it probably not worth it until a dps wall

[toxic quail]

Blood Legion, Imperative, FlashPoint are all running rogues.

And in RWF. haha

[slender berry]

are they in the rwf tho ?

not really

[toxic quail]

Yes. Haha

They’re literally advertising it.

[rigid tartan]

Which is why they will lose this time I believe

[slender berry]

so i fi start my stream with rwf in the title im in too ?

[timid talon]

no because you're not 4/10m

they are

[toxic quail]

Thank you.

What he said.

[slender berry]

they arent 4/10 thoo

thats the thing

[toxic quail]

They are in the running and advertising it.

By all means you can do the same pal. Haha

[slender berry]

well if thats your definition of it i guess you are right

[timid talon]

they're still putting the hours in for rwf

like they're set out for it, they just can't take two weeks off of life like limit and echos can but that doesn't mean they're not trying

[slender berry]

yea sure I guess they are participating in a sense

[reef axle]

Hmm a lot of the prog rogues aren’t going obedience, I’m assuming they’re happy sticking with doom 🤔

[primal turret]

But they havent craft neither improve it, they are ussing the last patch leg

i assume they wont craft until necesary

[strange python]

did the nerf hit obedience really hard was having a hard time making sense of the data

[whole skiff]

Bloodmallet sims still say it's 1% per stack?

Whereas in game it says 0.5%

[polar timber]

is there any info about cd usage with obidiance

do we delay vendetta for obidiance?

[sand mauve]

Good morning. Vault Question, do i pick sylvanas 233 dagger or a 252 dagger?

[strange python]

holy

[fluid glade]

sin lost a decent amount of damage with obedience with the nerf but it did little to change its performance with sub and outlaw

[whole skiff]

Sim it.

Sheridian

[paper blaze]

I was thinking about going obdience but idk if bliz going to nerf it again but obidience is like more versa that i can use it on raid and m+ right

[sand mauve]

Ok thought it gives a prio on sylvanas but then i will sim it

[tardy knoll]

I doubt they will nerf obedience again soon, tho I have a feeling they will nerf doom

[polar timber]

at the very least they arent nerfing anything till the end of the world first race

or the .5 patch

so were safe for now

[gloomy rose]

[strange silo]

pls no hate :d

[fervent path]

Ooooooodt

[balmy condor]

I hated you before the vault, no worries

[strange silo]

sadge

[fervent path]

Whats the value of sylv normal ilvl wise? It sims at +137 dps

Over my current 226 mh

[whole skiff]

Must be quite good.

I got a 252 weapon from the vault, simmed at 225 dps. (previous dagger was 233)

[balmy condor]

Normal sylv dagger in offhand is only beaten by a stronger sylvanas dagger

[little condor]

holy shit

[azure bronze]

my 3 M+ items are all in my dom socket spots

I am not sure what to choose

[pine grove]

Oof. That is rough. I felt bad for mine.

[azure bronze]

I simmed and on ST the head/chest aree like a 28/29 dps increase over the 246 pants kek

if I want to avoid my dom sockets

[south belfry]

Weekly box of dissapointments never fails to dissapoint

[slow marsh]

Like actually? Normal sylv off hand > mythic off hand if not sylvanas?

I knew it was strong but didn't think it was THAT strong on normal stats

[lavish isle]

what addon is that which is showingu upgrade?

[balmy condor]

No, I lied to the public for fun and profit

[slow marsh]

Oh ok

[balmy condor]

You can send your sylvanas daggers to me

You won’t need them

[slow marsh]

Well I have none so

I also have no shards

Even though I full cleared normal twice and 5/10h + 3 lfr bosses. I have the leech shard from world boss and that's it

So I guess we can cry together

[pine grove]

I managed to get Dyz on my first HC, so that's calming me down about my poor Vault of Disappointment.

[azure bronze]

Can I send you my M+ vault in return of a Phial ?

[true jewel]

help guys, should i take the weapon?

[fervent path]

Pawn with imported stat weights from raidbots

[plucky sluice]

i have to say - i didnt miss the unlucky vault last few months... 3x252 - bracers no bis stats, belt no bis stats, boots with bis stats (but not worth, need domination socket item)... no weapon, no trinket 😦

[south belfry]

I say take Escalpelo de Cosecarne over Dispositivo cuantico inescrtubale

But

[plucky sluice]

oh my god, thats just more unlucky then me xD

[slow marsh]

You should for sure take iqd

You can get weapons in raid. Those vault trinkets are the best we have right now

[placid dawn]

i though iqd was bad for sin rogue

[azure bronze]

it's like 3rd best trinket or something

[placid dawn]

also, mythic wepaon in on nerzhul, will take a while before his guild gets there probably

[true jewel]

i dont be able to get mythic dagger till months

[slow marsh]

That's not even a mythic dagger

[placid dawn]

but its way better than pretty much anything else

[slow tulip]

your 4th dungeon was 14 or smt cuz its 249 :/

[slow marsh]

But that's a mythic trinket that's the 3rd best option right behind 2 other vault trinkets

[plucky sluice]

lool...11 of my guild got weapons xD i hate them all hahahahaha

[slow marsh]

Pick what you want and as usual sim yourself. But I would take the iqd no question. You can get a heroic dagger off 2 bosses not including sylvanas

[lavish isle]

which one do you recommend to take ? 😄

finger haste mastery

[south belfry]

[placid dawn]

phial

[young nacelle]

phial tbh, but yeah sim

[slow tulip]

phial most likely mate :d

[azure bronze]

phial and upgrade it probably

[slow marsh]

You take phial and actually get 15s done for the week 😆

[lavish isle]

well im totally amatour thats why im asking\

😄

[strange python]

u take the phial

100%

[lavish isle]

ty

[strange python]

its our BIS

[lavish isle]

nice wp

wp me then\

😄

[strange python]

u wont ever replace it this tier

im jelly

lol

[slow marsh]

Yeah you will

By a 252 phial

[strange python]

tru

[lavish isle]

haha

😄

[glass grotto]

kelthuzad trinket is still bis for rogue right ?

[fleet anchor]

Putting this info out there so people know to make gear decisions. Found a SimC core issue that was preventing the Salvaged Fusion Amplifier from simming at its full potential for Assassination in particular due to low APM. Looking to get it fixed tomorrow, but have to speak with some other devs first about options.
You can assume it will be roughly as good for Assassination as it currently sims for Sub as a benchmark for now.

[slow marsh]

Trinkets are pretty much the biggest drops for us right now out of vault. A couple raid trinkets could be good if they buff again but they just don't match the m+ trinks

[fleet anchor]

@balmy condor can pass on the urban legend of the anti-scuffed simbait trinket that will persist for at least 10 months

[slow marsh]

Or if sims are broke for trinks that would change things too xD

[fleet anchor]

It's just this one

[frosty bridge]

Perfecto rogue time bby

[glass grotto]

@slow marsh is the kel'thuzad trinket bis ?

[fleet anchor]

It has very particular proc flags that are not normal

[slow marsh]

I figured it would be good so it's good to hear there's hope still

[balmy condor]

We love sim bait

[slow marsh]

Not really. Maybe could be later though who knows

[fleet anchor]

For reference the Heroic amplifier currently sims around 2.5% for me, which is similar to 233 Sire trinket

[frosty bridge]

KT trinket is pretty good for Sin tho, i got the HC in vault

[fleet anchor]

With locally hacked sims, it's about 3.8%

[slow marsh]

If raid trinkets suck they will lightly budge them like they did in CN I imagine.

[frosty bridge]

As long as they dont nerf phial

[fleet anchor]

Which is basically what it already simmed for Sub

There wasn't really any reason for these to be so different, which is what I noticed

[lavish isle]

now it will be renown 48 yes?

this week

[glass grotto]

You guys think its worth picking up KT trinket HC ? over just ilvl upg on wrists and stuff

[slow marsh]

I like the idea of a couple of them but phial and sgt are so good

[balmy condor]

Sin specifically?

[fleet anchor]

Yes, it already simmed more or less fine for Sub and Outlaw because they have high enough APM to max out the RPPM

[balmy condor]

I see

[fleet anchor]

Assassination relies on the white swing triggers to reach the RPPM potential, which wasn't working due to the flags

That's why it's at the top of the Sub and Outlaw lists and not Assassination on HD or Bloodmallet

[slow marsh]

Have either of you got a chance to mess with obe in raid setting ?

As sin*

[balmy condor]

I played it on all 16 bosses I killed today

2 on sin

[slow marsh]

Am I the only one that feels so weird having flag up at random times and not lining up with vendetta anymore

[balmy condor]

Like it does right now?

[slow marsh]

I mean

You sync it so yeah

[torn atlas]

I can't say i ever lined it up with Vend much except for pull.

[slow marsh]

Do you sync 2nd flag with obe ?

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

But the bottom line is that this probably becomes BiS raid trinket easily. Should beat Relic at similar difficulty.

[balmy condor]

You sync third obed to second vend basically

[fleet anchor]

These are both Heroic versions:

[frosty bridge]

@balmy condor are KT crit haste shoulders worth it over a 252 you reckon?

Like, the dom sockets are probably worth it over ilvl?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

If you got a good gem to go in there

[tame coyote]

@balmy condor how does obe feel?

[frosty bridge]

I wish

[full tide]

qqqqqqqqqqq

[frosty bridge]

ty

[slow marsh]

I see. I'll have to play it more and get the feel down. I did notice flag + thrill seeker happening at the same time occasionally which was nice

[balmy condor]

Fine

It’s more flag

Idk

[tame coyote]

@balmy condor guess u played it on bosses with downtime or hell alot movement where u cant env all the time hm?

[balmy condor]

Sub tier

[slow marsh]

My sub sims 300 more dps already without party favors

[fleet anchor]

For another benchmark:

[slow marsh]

Whay about shadowgrasp totem? Since that's probs what it would replace right?

Seems way better already though you're right

[thin trout]

yo guys, according to sims I have to take the cloak, but it's gonna be legendary slot - the ring is #2 - what do you guys recommend?

[fleet anchor]

Probably slightly ahead but similar

[balmy condor]

Id take the ring probably

[slow marsh]

Ring

[thin trout]

ring has 151 haste/107 crit

[slow marsh]

Would be my pick too

[thin trout]

thanks, il'l take the ring, kinda sucks i can't socket it yet tho, guess have to farm another few weeks to be able to socket that

[slow marsh]

You'll be fine

[fleet anchor]

Feels nice to get +13 ilevel bracers and have them be DPS neutral in raid

Sockets are great

[brave notch]

Guys I'm about to craft Obedience, which stats do i go with? Wowhead says crit/vers but isnt haste/crit bis?

[fleet anchor]

Why Blizzard didn't reuse the existing socket gear slots for domination sockets is 🤔

[slow marsh]

Crit vers is recommended if you're gonna mess with sub

[brave notch]

If I'm sticking with sin haste/crit then right?

[slow marsh]

True now like half the gear we have access to is ppaceholder

[slow marsh]

Yep

[brave notch]

Excellent, thanks Iceblades

[weak bane]

Dunno about others but obedience felt so nice in raid today

[fleet anchor]

I ran Deathspike all raid, it was great

[slow marsh]

Reeeeeee

Oh speaking of doing things for the lols do we know how far apart the socket bonus for each type of Dom gem is? Like blood vs UH

[toxic badge]

Hi guys, the Obedience tuning on 0.5% for versatility is live or is it still 1% per stack ?

[slow marsh]

It's .5 live

[fleet anchor]

Well the "set" scaling only just went in today

So I don't think we fully know yet

[slow marsh]

Okies cool

[fleet anchor]

Blizzard was hotfixing a bunch of values this evening

[toxic badge]

OK thanks

[slow marsh]

I have a few Dom socket pieces and was wanting to just slam whatever I get gems for first

[weak bane]

Imagine having almost every gem
But only 1 dom socket item
My life

[slow marsh]

But dunno if it's trolling to drop ilvl for not unholy bonus

[toxic badge]

But I guess obedience is still the best option for single target ?

[slow marsh]

Technically doomblade is

By a smidge

[weak bane]

Obedience feels more bursty which is better for prog if that's what you're doing, imo

[brave notch]

is it worth crafting if i have 235 doomblade tho

[weak bane]

End of the day prolly shouldn't matter they're so close, more flag just feels nice

[slow marsh]

Yes it is

[fleet anchor]

Assassination is strong enough that I topped raid damage on like 4 fights and was top 3 in 3 others on our Heroic clear as Necrolord Assassination without a fancy dagger so not feeling too bad atm 😛

Metrics overall for Mythic kills with Rogues are looking very strong also

[slow marsh]

Yeah rogue in general is pumping right now. Feels good.

[weak bane]

Someone in my raid had ~3% of their dps coming from blood effect, so if unholy is better then it's pretty huge tbh

[fleet anchor]

Still perplexed Limit isn't running a Rogue, but w/e

[slow marsh]

But then you see how when it comes to raid util we are the first to get swapped out. And feels bad

Limit is running cheese strat for later fights is why

[echo geyser]

im very curious wether or not we'll be seeing sub instead of assa @fleet anchor

[weak bane]

Enhancement shaman pog

[fleet anchor]

I mean I think the real reason is that Max and some others underestimated how good Rogue would be, but I guess we'll see

[echo geyser]

maybe only when we get more gear sub pulls ahead a bit

at least obedience is here now

[slow marsh]

Naaaaaa he knows how good it is I think

[gloomy knoll]

i mean currently sin is basically even

[slow marsh]

Their whole comp is just stack defensive cds

[young nacelle]

everyone underestimates how good rogues are

[gloomy knoll]

sub scales better with the crap we get this tier

[slow marsh]

So they can guarantee 4 heal

[hollow talon]

what are some of the higher ilvl rogues simming at

like 7400?

[young nacelle]

they dont want us bc we dont offer any other raid utility besides a shroud on prepull rofl

[gloomy knoll]

but if you gonna start off with sin

[echo geyser]

7.6 prob at least @hollow talon

[fleet anchor]

I mean he knows now... that like Rogues are topping damage on tons of Mythic kills 😛

[gloomy knoll]

and brute force the raid down in a week or two

[naive obsidian]

Rogue still doesn’t bring anything else than damage to the table sadly. It needs to be topping by a lot to be better than alternatives

[weak bane]

I think the spot a rogue or two would occupy in their raid is one of the arms warriors + enhancement shaman, but they're running double arms and enhance which looks pretty good but provide some form of utility that we don't

[gloomy knoll]

he prob just values the defensive utility more

[hollow talon]

damn with dom sockets and sylv daggers? or just gear

[fleet anchor]

I mean, the thing is.. it really is

[slow marsh]

Yep they are but the extra damage isn't outweighing having a 5th healer vs an extra dps

[gloomy knoll]

half these fights are tuned horribly so

extra shouts amz's darkness etc helps

[hollow talon]

im simming so low i got 226 daggers with inflated ilvl from other pieces feels real bad

[echo geyser]

doesnt matter

[slow marsh]

Like rogue is really good and there's a reason people are bringing two rogues in their comp for wfr

Don't get me wrong

[vestal wren]

rogue is probably not a requirement to compete

[echo geyser]

this week u can literally farm all 236 in all slots m+ @hollow talon

[fleet anchor]

There are some specs that are getting reputation invites atm and I think it's gonna change mid-tier for most guilds

[hollow talon]

im trying nothings dropping but still trying

eventually it has to drop

[final kettle]

are bloodmallet trinkets updated with the newest buffs?

[gloomy knoll]

i am suprised limit ran 0 but

[slow marsh]

But I'm just explaining how and why limit isn't bringing any rogues and would rather bring 2 DH and a monk over a rogue

[dusky orbit]

is it worth taking sylvanas dagger from normal from vault?

[fleet anchor]

For example, could really make an argument that Mage is doing basically nothing special right now

[gloomy knoll]

i guess they just went all in on the wft

oh yea mage is

big shit for rwf

1 mage tier

[dusky orbit]

got gloves and haste/mast neck 252 ilvl

and sylvanas dagger

[slow marsh]

True mage is on shaky ground imo

[fleet anchor]

But like, I was being told a day or two ago that, for example

Eye of the Jailer was a ranged multi-dot favor fight and Rogues wouldn't be useful at all