assassination

[odd hazel]

Honestly, if you have good range it should go down in seconds

[cyan dew]

this

[winged basin]

We are getting it down semi quickly but we have more melee than ranged I think

[odd hazel]

how is the damage of the ranged?

[winged basin]

I am mobile rn, so I can’t see spike damage very wel but I can link logs and you can tell me

If that’s easier

I’d say low at best

[odd hazel]

yeah i can take a look

[winged basin]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g2TFZGDV4Pf87LNp#boss=2430&difficulty=4&wipes=1

They said this was my only issue tonight was low damage on balls

[odd hazel]

which one are you?

[winged basin]

I don’t know if I just need to find the sweet spot and hit it with some more muts

[odd hazel]

hiki?

[winged basin]

Hiki

[odd hazel]

i mean

seems most of your melle have low damage to it

[winged basin]

I think I’m lowest tho

[odd hazel]

nah

the other rogue did less

[winged basin]

Which is just due to only fok due to being spooked

[cyan dew]

Rogue need time to do damage, so we don't do much damage on balls

That's it

[odd hazel]

conisdering you have a boomy---mage---lock---hunter----priest

they shouldnt have a issue dealing with it

if they are switching immedietly

[winged basin]

Nah I think it’s a them not switching issue

[narrow ravine]

I mostly just back up while meleeing the balls, not a whole lot to it, reverse or backpedal is faster than the ball moves

[winged basin]

Still worth me looking into. Just looking to improve. My damage was excellent tonight, messed up my opener a couple times and yeah nah, we were wiping to shit like spikes and bomb placement

[odd hazel]

i mean as much as that is true

the balls are 99% a range job

[winged basin]

Def agree with you!

[peak bobcat]

are there any fights where we would run obedience over Doomblade?

[odd hazel]

a warrior

[winged basin]

Anything with adds

[odd hazel]

should not be top 3rd damage to balls

[winged basin]

IMO

That’s my Raid Lead

And if you look it’s a lot of pad

[odd hazel]

like

your boomy

[winged basin]

Bldestorm Whirlwind

[odd hazel]

in the last pull

was bottom 4th

the boomie

[winged basin]

🙂

[odd hazel]

a healer was above the boomy

on damage spike ball wise

on the last pull

so was both tanks

[winged basin]

:)))

It was a rough night, we wiped consistently after first transition

[odd hazel]

on

your longest pull

a ret had the most damage done to it

[nimble tartan]

is there a droplist for the domination shards or is it random :)

[odd hazel]

its random from raid bosses

tbh toad

[nimble tartan]

oo ok

[odd hazel]

i'd tell your raid lead to look more carefully at these

your range are either not switching instantly or something because

even on your longest pull the tanks did almost as much damage as the boomy

[winged basin]

definitely, I’d imagine if that’s the first thing they are looking at with raid over tonight he will see the ranged not swapping and bust their balls.

My boss damage was unmatched. The monk is the only one who was up there with me

Sometimes the lock

[sacred yarrow]

Idk why we are pretending we can't pump the spiked balls as sin lol. Obv we don't need to be topping but I don't see the downside to swapping to balls

[odd hazel]

never said that but

[winged basin]

I don’t think that’s what he’s saying

[odd hazel]

obviously he can be BETTE Rat it

yes

[opaque tree]

you guys running skirmish on chest or Eternal stats on chest? They both sim very close for me, but I feel like Stats might be slightly better for any fight that has adds in it?

thoughts?

[winged basin]

Sim it

[opaque tree]

I did

did you not read?

lol

[winged basin]

I run skirmish cause it sims higher

[opaque tree]

:\

skirmish is like 1% higher for me

[winged basin]

No need to be rude hoss, but that’s what every person in here is going to tell ya

[twilit hollow]

He wasn't rude

[winged basin]

If skirmish sims higher then skirmish she goes

[opaque tree]

Not rude, just clarified that I did sim :x

[odd hazel]

Use the higher one then

You answered your own question

[winged basin]

[opaque tree]

Was also wondering since fights with adds I figured Eternal stats pulls ahead

[winged basin]

I think there’s a way to sim that too but I feel like the difference would be about the same

Too small to tell

[opaque tree]

okay

thanks

[peak bobcat]

So if i only have one option to craft for mythic prog should i craft DB or OB?

[odd hazel]

Sim it and see

[opaque tree]

just curious, I've never used Skirmish, I have eternal stats and probs going to switch

[winged basin]

Without testing, DB. IMO I think obed will shine on fights with add phases

I personally will be crafting both on my cloak tomorrow, and waiting to craft r5 til more logs come out with obed

[odd hazel]

DB is only ahead by like 40

[winged basin]

^

[odd hazel]

In pure ST

[winged basin]

and obed tends to pull ahead in cleave/multitarget add phases

Obed is gonna shine, I believe

[odd hazel]

It sims like

[winged basin]

it sims 30 under for me at 235

[odd hazel]

30 better then my doom with one domination gem

[winged basin]

Sheeeeesh, I haven’t gotten any shards worth a heck

[odd hazel]

It was just gear compare

Have only got crit/haste boots with the domination socket

Got a cipher ring and the neck out of sanquine from M+ earlier

All I’ve gotten this tier

We will see if my vault likes me

[winged basin]

I hope my vault likes me. I don’t want to live in PF I hope it just gives me Phial

So I can live in piece

[wild beacon]

3 cloaks inc

[winged basin]

Pls don’t do me like that lol

[soft shale]

more like 2 chests 1 boots

[odd hazel]

I’d take phial or shadow grasp

[winged basin]

I deserve better

[odd hazel]

I will

Literally end you lmao

[winged basin]

I have a 226 shadowgrasp it’s phat

[odd hazel]

220 phial 220 decanter currently

[winged basin]

233 ticking bag of overtuned explosion and 226 shadowgrasp

Idk why bloodmallet doesn’t have comparisons for the hardmode version, but it’s doing a healthy chunk of my damage

[plush garnet]

Is it worth using crimson temp on ST?

like if you already have it talented I mean, for m+

[winged basin]

Yes, outside of shiv windows

[undone scroll]

so is it back to doomblade over obidence?

[odd hazel]

#pins

And sim yo self

[winged basin]

It’s really a tbd. Gonna see how the cards lie

but always check pins. Whispyr does an absolutely GODLY job of keeping information as new and fresh as possible. He’s the man

[frosty gyro]

Obedience > Doomblade for everything that matters pretty much

[narrow ravine]

I am just going Doomblade again for t5

ill make more after for situational stuff

im still necro though

didn't want to reset my renown right now

[hollow hawk]

renown catch up is really fast now though so itd be better to do it sooner rather than later

the longer you wait the longer itll take to get caught up later

[frosty gyro]

If you aren't trying to minmax it won't matter than much probably

[winged basin]

This is false information, without knowing how it performs in the raid, there’s no way you can say confidently to build obedience over Doomblade.

it’s definitely competitive, but saying it’s better without proper testing is silly

[frosty gyro]

You can confidently say that because the hard fights have intermissions and burst phases that prefer how obedience lines up CDs

Plus it's better if you want to do M+ on Sin

And it's BiS for Sub

[winged basin]

it being bis for sub has nothing to do with it being okay for sin lmao.

[frosty gyro]

I mean it's BiS for minmaxing if sub ends up being ahead somewhere, so it's just a side benfit

Not that it really seems like Sub will be ahead on most fights

maybe like guardian

[winged basin]

You make very fair arguments. I just think personally until there is more testing and seeing where it shines the most it’s you’ll find more value out of DB I guess it’s easier for me to say that when I’m recrafting both tomorrow

[frosty gyro]

Painsmith, Rune guy, and Sylvanas all have mechanics that end up favoring obedience. KT too tbh

[winged basin]

Obed is 110% the move for m+ tho

I cannot wait for that

and I think Doomblade is going to be higher on KT

That’s a

[frosty gyro]

Maybe, it kinda depends on how it makes obedience line up with phylactery if ytou're in phylactery group

Which you probably should be as sin

[winged basin]

Exactly

[frosty gyro]

Which really depends on your TTK on KT

[winged basin]

See, that’s why I say needs more testing. Too much feelcrafting going on to know what’s good where.

You better believe you’ll max both

[frosty gyro]

Well painsmith/rune guy aren't feelcrafting like it's straight up better there I'm sure

[winged basin]

I personally cannot wait to SLAM keys with obed

[violet hemlock]

Hc nerzhul dagger fuck

[frosty gyro]

It's also better if you can bribe a priest into PIing you

With PI you can basically guarantee 30 stacks which means you will always have Flag with Vendetta and PI every 2min

Gonna be hard to beat rogues with pocket priests lol

[tired sparrow]

what stat does soleahs sim for us? haste?

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's awful

[tired sparrow]

beats this on an alt lmao

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

that'll do it

[violet hemlock]

Got the Heroic Nerzhul dagger thus will never see sylv dagger

[strange python]

Doomblade or obe tmr. Can't decide :(

[fallow otter]

Tazavesh trinket proc does bigboi dmg

[winged basin]

Just top dps the raid every night then you’ll get all the pis

That’s what I did tonight

Took every single pi besides like the first couple pulls when I was BUSTIN on mfers, then one of our priests whispered me and said hey vendetta on cd every 2 minutes right? And I said absolutely, count to 3 after pull then PI

[north basin]

Sack trink even on 226 nutz ye? So 2 chancer per cd to loot 1 normal and 1 hc mode

Inb4 they nerf it

Or hc and normal share cd

[fallow otter]

No main stat and it's only 233 rn so I don't think so, also no good aoe

[north basin]

If its doing 7-9% of my total damage no need to think about aoe)

[cerulean nest]

so i have to do a key for that dungeon's loot to be in my vault loot table right?

if i dont do it this week, it wont be in it?

[slow marsh]

i take it you haven't met our lord and savior 252 phial

[soft shale]

nah on m+ you wont beat sack

[north basin]

Finger crossed on weekly cache for phial ofc

[soft shale]

its too busted

on st maybe

[cerulean nest]

anyone?

[north basin]

Big m+ boiz will loot 246 version today in usa

Via upgrades

[simple rivet]

why does blood mallet and hero damage have dashing simming insane

and its not mentioned in the pins sim

[violet hemlock]

isnt vault 252?

[north basin]

It is

252 + 1 upgrade to 246 via valor

[violet hemlock]

ooh I aint upging till next week

[north basin]

So 2 good items at start of new week hopefully

[violet hemlock]

when we can get drops from 15s

[spice spire]

Next week

[spice spire]

No

It’s random loot all dungeons afaik

[azure flare]

No

Its random

[cerulean nest]

sick ty

[winged basin]

Was curious bout this aswell

[slow marsh]

i mean you can sim it yourself

[balmy condor]

it's not insane

the orange is the effect

6.49 compared to 6.31 from doomblade, compared to 6.55 from obedience

that's all within margin of error

just like it was for all of 9.0.5

my sims also have it that close

and it's always been that close

there is nothing weird about it

[slow marsh]

yeah dashing has always been right there

[shell ivy]

How bad if all my secondary stats are on crit instead of haste

[slow marsh]

what do sims say

[shell ivy]

I freshly geared a second rogue from ilvl 0 to 224 and obviously didn’t get the bis pieces so all my stats are everywhere

[slow marsh]

there aren't really bis pieces

only sims

[shell ivy]

I’m like 10% haste and 30% crit

It’s funny

Compared to my main rogue

Yea should prob just check myself on sims, but I wonder the difference

Between same ilvl but diff secondary stats

Mostly just trying to reassure myself as I will have to use that second rogue for mythic

[simple stratus]

isnt dashing still scuffed from the poison issue?

[balmy condor]

it is

that's reflected in sims as well

[simple stratus]

roger

so if the poison issue was fixed, dashing would be very stronk

[balmy condor]

it would gain a little bit

very stronk isn't really the word for it

[simple stratus]

we live in a world where 100 dps means op

[tacit pilot]

is dashing noticeable with regen which would make it funner?

thinking about running it over doom

and because i made doom a shoulder lol

[granite jackal]

Hello everyone! So I am newer to rogue and am curious will the new obedience leggo be good for me if I only range between 18 and 22 flag stacks or would you all say just stick with doomblade?

[balmy condor]

sims take that all into account

so yes, obedience is good

[granite jackal]

Thanks a million!!

[balmy condor]

wouldn't really say "noticeable", but you do notice it if you're trying to look for it

[swift moss]

looking at all the sims in the pins it looks like venthyr is bis for all specs? worth to switch over even if I just switched to necro this week?

[balmy condor]

100 dps isn't for dashing though. It's 100 dps for all covenants, which ends up being like 10-15 dps for dashing then, which still puts it within margin

[balmy condor]

venthyr is good, necro is good, play what you'd like

[simple rivet]

My b. Competitive is a probably a better word than insane

dashing sims highest in aoe on bloodmallet too

[pseudo nimbus]

is venthyr playstyle easier compared to necro for an average player? or is it comparable with knowledge of the basics?

[simple rivet]

was just wondering why its so competitive and not mentioned in your sims @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

hectic add cleave is a pretty useless sim type

wouldn't really consider that

[simple stratus]

ya i didnt mean 100 actually just as an example on where small gains are stronk gains

[balmy condor]

it's not mentioned in my sims because last patch I had like 6 pins of sims comparing everything, which had dashing showing competitive, and people said it was too confusing, and because I compared legendaries to a blank character in order to keep it fair (some covenants make legendaries higher than other covenants). Obviously that's not possible to do anymore, since I need to also consider covenant legendaries now, making blank characters not something I can reasonably put into one pin. So from where I'm sitting right, I have 2 issues:

1. I have people saying too many pins, too confusing, too many numbers
2. it's about to get more complicated to do the same thing that people are already complaining about
   so the solution that I came up with after talking to some people, is showing the best combination for each soulbind, and condensing it into one pin. The best combination for each soulbind, was doomblade by slight amounts. People already all have doomblade, so there's no point putting a different legendary into that comparison, considering they do basically the same thing. I can probably get around to adding a section onto my spreadsheet later this week, with the actual comparisons if you'd like to see that. (After the 5 log reviews I have waiting, and the updates I need to do to the defensive sheet, and the 3 day raiding and 5 day work week, you know how it is). If you have another suggestion on how to present the data in a short, readable manner, I'm all ears, cause the way I give people data in the pins kept me up for a good 3-4 nights

[void pecan]

Get'm whispyr

[slow marsh]

Yeah get em

No respeccc i'll tell ya

[simple rivet]

Eh, I hope my question isn't coming off as any kind of disrespect.

Was just a simple question. I appreciate the work you do for the discord.

[velvet escarp]

you've been hard at work, thank you

[balmy condor]

nah no disrespect at all

I write novels cause I think about this kind of stuff

a lot

[simple rivet]

There's been instances where blood mallet/hero damage weren't the most trustworthy sources. Your explanation makes sense, absolutely nobody is running dashing.

[balmy condor]

yeah

I mean you definitely can

I was going to craft dashing for fun myself

there's some unlucky timing for dashing as well

cause when the choice had to be made for dashing/doomblade

envenom was bugged

it was sorta similar to this bug that we have now

but it hurt dashing pretty hard

and then everyone just crafted the newly freshly buffed doomblade, cause it did the same thing

and then because everyone had doomblade already, and dashing basically fills the same niches

no one was interested in dashing really

[thorny pond]

This’ll sound like a meme but honestly dashing’s issue is that it isn’t doomblade

[balmy condor]

people who just look at logs saw doomblade, so they crafted doomblade as well

[thorny pond]

Doomblade does nothing interactive wise to change the base rotation

[balmy condor]

and then there was just no room for dashing

dashing suffers from the fact that it does nothing particularly better than doomblade

it doesn't do anything worse, but it doesn't do anything better either

it's just a copy

[thorny pond]

Poison crit now throws a monkey wrench into pacing

[balmy condor]

that isn't particularly amazing

[thorny pond]

For the better

[bleak sky]

252 phial tomorrow guys

[soft shale]

when poison bomb procs on a pack tho brrrrrr

oh wait wrong expansion

[thorny pond]

You wish

[bleak sky]

big satisfying noise with no damage

[soft shale]

my man you write too slow

[thorny pond]

Poison Bomb is basically peeing on enemy feet

[simple rivet]

Dashing is better in a cleave or add scenario though right? With obedience coming that probably doesn't matter much anymore.

[thorny pond]

Kinda

[soft shale]

it seems not a lot of people played ago poison and then poison bomb procs

from last to first

[simple rivet]

Also, its gonna be really hard to choose between phial and a 252 dagger tomorrow

[thorny pond]

Shadowgrasp totemsssss

For all

[bleak sky]

yeah for sure a 252 dagger and a phial + iqd + totem

[void pecan]

so long as

it's not two cloaks

[bleak sky]

def not gonna be garbage at all

[void pecan]

idgaf

[bleak sky]

[simple rivet]

you see my avatar. Grasp is life

[thorny pond]

3 cloaks and 2 heroic cloaks

[void pecan]

and pvp cloaks

[strange python]

Holy shit KT winds are toxic

[soft shale]

2 chests and 2 boots

that is my life

[simple rivet]

no

don't

[balmy condor]

doomblade is stronger on 2 targets, and zold beats both of them comfortably on 3+ and dungeonslice

so there's nothing really for dashing

[bleak sky]

build dashing
get rank 1 on all fights
make people waste soulash
???
profit?

[soft shale]

you have to unlock the secret extra poison

[bleak sky]

the trinket poison

[thorny pond]

It’s just shiv now

[soft shale]

in 150 button combination

-><- -><- L R up down

[balmy condor]

build dashing
"why did you build dashing?"
dunno was fun
bored streamer crafts it
new meta?
deathly is dead, relationship with dashing begins
raid shadow legends sponsor
???
kill boss

[soft shale]

g fuel

and uh

manscaping

secret dashing build with 50% crit

[bleak sky]

can't wait to see that happening in 2 weeks

[sand sigil]

is doom actually stronger than obed on 2t?

[balmy condor]

doom compared to dashing

but uh

lets check the sims

cause I have those

:)

[sand sigil]

i figured obed would be stronger 2t

[thorny pond]

When your deathly macro equips dashing 👌

[balmy condor]

uh well necro wins on 2t so this sim doesn't actually show it very well

[sand sigil]

LOL

true

padders man

[simple rivet]

im making obedience

im equipping obedience

and im never taking it off

[bleak sky]

r5 obedience

[sand sigil]

crit vers or crit haste

[simple rivet]

crit/verse may be the play if you're playing sub a lot

but i'm just going to roll crit/haste and never look back

[odd flax]

we can achiev 48 renown this next reset?

[balmy condor]

@sand sigil aight dashing sucks lmao what a fucking doggers lego

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qjRkeCX5a77eNnbZHD8dQd

[soft shale]

aaaaaay

dont worry if there are maybe 20 mobs and poison bomb procs

big gains

[sand sigil]

loool i'm not surprised

[balmy condor]

poison bomb actually only wins on uh

27 targets

[soft shale]

niiice

the secret assa funnel strat in DoS

now if poison bomb applied lethal poison

[balmy condor]

the secret ardenweald padding with poison bomb

if you can stack 27 mobs that close together

and then you're barely beating CT

super poggers

[faint sundial]

Hey peeps. Coming back for 9.1. Used to play outlaw but Ass rogue seems good again. Is Venthyr to the general go to again or is Kyrian okay?

[strange python]

Sylv is such a trash tier fight

[shy dust]

Sylv is a great fight

without the bugs

[strange python]

Still trash

[soft shale]

just had to kill her on the 6 hours she didnt use the tank mechanic on last phase

ezz

[manic pebble]

15 mins boss fight is real fun

kek

[strange python]

With p3 being the only remotely fun part of the fight.

[silent fossil]

wdym, you don’t like the new shonen main protagonist boss fight?

[strange python]

Idgaf about story lol. It's just not a fun fight.

[silent fossil]

bitch dashin around like it’s dragon ball z

[manic pebble]

P1 is too easy to care, P2 a long ass boring walk fight

[summer onyx]

How long should something be alive to warrant applying rupture/garrote to it?

[silent fossil]

as close to the applied duration as possible

[summer onyx]

alright, so spend less CP on it if they'll probably die around the duration's end then?

[manic pebble]

Yes

[summer onyx]

alright, thanks

[strange python]

P1 is simultaneously easy and infuriating.

[manic pebble]

“We should make her do flashy moves to make it interesting”

[strange python]

The unending running around in p1 is pretty uninteresting

[pseudo nimbus]

When we were there for the first few times we thought we need to wait for 30 sec after each P1. Then we realized some guy was watching the cinematic everytime

[toxic marsh]

can rogues safely shadowstep behind spike balls on painsmith?

[fallen arch]

No

[dark crag]

No

[fallen arch]

You end up in front

And run over

You can however ss someone that already ran thru

[sand sigil]

i think sylv is fun for some reason

maybe there's something wrong with me

[earnest remnant]

last phase is good imo

[fallen arch]

Damn you guys

[dim temple]

Do u have the one for ST?

[fallen arch]

Here I am, trying to get over the Painsmith wall

[modest jasper]

Painsmith is a proper hard boss, ngl. Took us some pulls, too

I really like it though - if they remove melee chains.

That's the most tilting thing, ngl.

[jovial horizon]

only time I got chains was the pull we killed it 🥲

[modest jasper]

:-(

[bitter canyon]

Quick question, is loot from the last 2 raid bosses guaranteed?

[grim hornet]

hey guys, for painshmith fight, is it good idea to use fok instead of mut for funeling on spiked balls?

[fallen arch]

Yeah fuk dat

[bitter canyon]

Ryfie was talking about it earlier but I didn’t get a chance to ask what exactly that meant

[fallen arch]

Are they gonna remove that tho?

[fallen arch]

Why the hell would you do that?

[lost mist]

Gg 51,8% heroic sylvanas :((((

[fallen arch]

To gain cp?

[manic pebble]

I didn’t get loot from Kel tho

[bitter canyon]

I mean in great vault, sorry

[grim hornet]

yes, to gain cp

[wise fiber]

dont kill me if this has been asked before but what stats should we go for Leggo if we plan to use Obedience for both Sub and Assa?

[strange python]

P3 legit seems easy, but then again I can't get my raiders to stop greeding for stack clears in p1 when they only have 1 stack

[modest jasper]

We will see in some hours but at least I did not see anything mentioned in any ptr notes about that and it was not last tier.

[balmy condor]

No

[modest jasper]

Crit/Vers probably but it does not really matter.

[delicate smelt]

Soleahs Secret Technique from HM Tazavesh - worth it to eq?

[modest jasper]

It's a decentish stat stick. Depends on your alternatives.

[scenic jetty]

testing HC Relic of the frozen waists

[delicate smelt]

213 cube and 213 Phial

[scenic jetty]

duno why it sims so high

it's utter garbage

[modest jasper]

Not as good as it sounds on paper?

[scenic jetty]

can't crit

[modest jasper]

That's meh. I really like the idea

Passive + Active is nice

[scenic jetty]

my 229 vial does x4 times it's dmg

[modest jasper]

[scenic jetty]

in a 5 min fight

[modest jasper]

Maybe incorrectly implemented in sims or bugged?

[scenic jetty]

no clue....

[modest jasper]

It sims like... Decently higher than my 226 skulker's

[soft shale]

did you add up both parts of the trink

also extra agi

so that may be why

[scenic jetty]

it does 2% overall with both parts

the extra agi ye it's nice

but 229 vial doing 5% passively ? 😄

[modest jasper]

2% on ST?

That's not too hot.

Also tbf, Phial kinda good.

So hard to compare to

[scenic jetty]

other trinkets getting buffed except it

maybe not enough data yet

[shell cloud]

What is your opening on single target RAID scenerio?

[grim hornet]

so i guess this is a no?

[fallen arch]

Don’t think so

Whispyr will know tho

[wintry mica]

If you are talented into crimson tempest is it a dps loss to use on a single target?

[jagged bobcat]

Any thoughts on TRF? the Trinket

Toremented Rack Fragment

[balmy condor]

yes, fok

[grim hornet]

k, ty

[balmy condor]

np

[balmy condor]

don't even know what this is, sounds awful

[balmy condor]

yes, outside of shiv

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah that's mediocre

but probably wins just on ilvl

[sick cairn]

this looks great for M+

but otherwise eh

[jagged bobcat]

But isnt our 2 bis ST trinkets from Plaguefall

[sick cairn]

the other one is from DOS

not PF

[jagged bobcat]

Shadowgrasp?

[sick cairn]

yeah

i heard

but ooze is great too right?

[jagged bobcat]

Ooze and Phial is what im running

[balmy condor]

ooze is pretty good

[idle star]

take that 252 holy hot dam....

[jagged bobcat]

did u guys see that Method was offering 2 million gold for rogues to get that Dagger off sylvanas and trade it

[fallow otter]

They would pay more

[jagged bobcat]

we gonna finally see yellow in the world first?

didnt see any in CN

[cobalt hemlock]

max from limit played some assasination for heroic so i dont see reason why he would play it in heroic and not mythic

[dark swift]

He's gonna be 21st man in mythic

[fallen arch]

So good thinking 😄

[minor tiger]

I main outlaw and mainly do m+ - have only played rogue for a few weeks (used to main rogue in tbc). Currently necrolord - picked up two daggers. Is it worth speccing assa for raid as necrolord?

[keen dome]

Necro assa is fine for single target yes

[mortal pike]

how many fights do we use zoldyck on? should I bother making it?

[minor tiger]

Thanks. I suppose my other alterbative would be to comkit to balls deep venthyr...

[fallen arch]

On all fights in m+ so yeh def worth if you’re not venthyr

[mortal pike]

I meant in raids 😮

I r un otulaw in M+

maybe I should try assa though

[fallen arch]

U dont need zoldyck for raid

[manic pebble]

the first boss is ok to use

[idle shard]

btw, once we have obedience tomorrow we are "forced" to play DS?

Or can still play EP/Vigor

or DS/vigor lol

oh wait nm u cant

lmao

[manic pebble]

Painsmith is fine too since he’s annoying in P3

[gloomy rose]

can you shadowstep painsmith balls without getting smacked?

[earnest remnant]

no

[gloomy rose]

ok, thanks

[red plaza]

Is there a way to see what powers rogues had for Tarragrue in WCL?

[tardy knoll]

I'm reading CD usage on iv, except pooling energy for shiv, we don't do any tricks like having 4 5 cp ready, right??

[ornate lake]

Nah press it on cd

[red plaza]

You can even press it at max CP so you don’t delay

[ornate lake]

True

[modest jasper]

Start thinking about Shiv as an uptime debuff and less of a cd window.

And your life gets easier.

[burnt latch]

Why not?

[tardy knoll]

Thank you, my brain like to over complicate things and this drives me crazy

[ornate lake]

same tier

[burnt latch]

I thought he was asking if we can play Vigor over DS

[ornate lake]

DS / vigor together not possible i mean

[idle shard]

yeah I know lol

[modest jasper]

Give me DS+Vigor any day of the week

[idle shard]

so we forced to play DS tho?

[modest jasper]

Finally some good f*** gameplay.

I mean, why forced?

It's a dps gain, ye.

Doesn't force you into it, it's still rather smallish.

[idle shard]

yeah? Oh damn nice then lol

yeah basically by "forced" I meant that the dps difference increased

[modest jasper]

Not sure about Obedience, ngl. Might be

[umbral rapids]

Sim your character and judge for yourself

[modest jasper]

Atm for me it's 50 dps or so

Not worth the hassle to me.

[burnt latch]

Ye thats patchwerk aswell, i feel like doing mechanics with vigor feels less punishing cuz of the bigger pool

Dont know if it actually works that way tho just feels like it

[modest jasper]

Yup, does not hurt with downtime.

Also it's just smoother imho

Like ngl, you won't not kill a boss because you ran vigor over DS

And unless your are RWF or like top 50 raiding you will overgear fights anyways.

[burnt latch]

Env muti env with vanish just hits different

Dont get that with ds

So satisfying

[modest jasper]

So at least imo: Go vigor if vigor life is what you like :D

[gloomy knoll]

17k envenom

[burnt latch]

It feels good to actually see yourself on the dps meters on pull

Not happening with ds

Vigor massive morale booster

[modest jasper]

I mean, this tier you show up on the meters a lot :P

Assa is pretty well-tuned and some fights it exceeds on imo

[dark jewel]

any log analyzer warlords

[burnt latch]

Oh yeah

Just not on pull

[rancid warren]

If youre on shiv window and garrotes falling off will refilling it be prior to slamming 3rd envenom?

[burnt latch]

We dont really burst that big

Especially with ds

[modest jasper]

Oh ye okay, fair :D

[modest jasper]

Yes.

@balmy condor sorry for el pingo. Is there some bot command for people not having to worry so much to get 3 envenoms each shiv that one could use the 30x it gets asked daily?

[balmy condor]

will have a section in the FAQ

when we do that

soon

™️

[modest jasper]

Nice

[sweet sorrel]

https://c.tenor.com/a7aeZxrntk8AAAAM/intensifies-sooning.gif

[dark swift]

Boys, need some feedback on the guardian log. Please ignore the wrong soulbinds (forgot to change to dauntless)... Much appreciated! https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Txqhn6PQf9AZLRtb/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=12

[waxen socket]

Even tho Obedience is a small % behind Doomblade. if u wanna play both sub and assa its better to craft Obedience right?

or is Doomblade too good to pass off

[stiff thicket]

If you wanna play both Assa and Sub you can go Obe

[grim hornet]

they seem to be pretty close

[stiff thicket]

Even if you just want to play Assa

They are even

[waxen socket]

Alright then ill keep saving

thanks

[idle star]

Yeh auper slow start

[grim sable]

can someone tell me why shadowgrasp totem is a good trinket now?

[strange python]

good question

i just got a 229 one

[grim sable]

i also have a 229 one

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

i heard something to do with the shadow damage

but id like to hear it from someone like @balmy condor why it sims high?

[balmy condor]

it's hasted

it's always been good

[rigid tartan]

It’s funny that it’s an upgrade to my 233 sire trinket on assa but not on sub

Oh that’s why

[strange python]

is it cuz we gettn more haste in 9.1

[balmy condor]

I've seen logs where a 229 shadowgrasp does close to double of a phial

[strange python]

that its even better now

wtf

[uneven summit]

So i see a tendency of people running EP + Vigor rather than Blindside and DS is it because of Necrolords vs. Venthyr?

[balmy condor]

it's a lot better with venthyr to be fair

lines up with flags

which give a lot of haste

[strange python]

oh true

[balmy condor]

also bloodlust

and all that

[strange python]

sheesh

[balmy condor]

just a lot of big haste scaling

[strange python]

now i see the powah

[gloomy knoll]

does shadowgrap snapshot the haste

[balmy condor]

no

[gloomy knoll]

or does it just roll with the soulbind

[balmy condor]

the soulbind?

[strange python]

i dont think anything snapshots anymore

idk

[balmy condor]

it basically ticks like rupture

exsang snapshots haste

but that's because exsang has to

for janky mechanic reasons

[gloomy knoll]

euphoria

[sinful salmon]

Do we still craft crit/haste on our new cloaks today for the venthyr legendary?

[manic pebble]

I can’t wait to play exsanguinate build again

[strange python]

interesting

[balmy condor]

(exsang doesn't actually double the tick rate, it takes the old dots off, and instantly reapplies new dots with 2x the tick rate of the old ones)

[balmy condor]

yes

[strange python]

ahhhhh mkay

[balmy condor]

euphoria gives haste, so if euphoria procs during it, would speed it up, yeah

[strange python]

i heard exsang will be good eventually ??

[manic pebble]

Do you think we have enough haste to play exsang this patch?

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

needa track euphoria den

[balmy condor]

if we were hard capped at the max

with 126% haste and mastery for maximum poison damage

[gloomy knoll]

i doubt we see exsang without borrowed power forcing it

[balmy condor]

and exsang was a 30 second cooldown

[manic pebble]

It was a really fun build back in BFA

[balmy condor]

it still wouldn't be close to alacrity

[strange python]

lmfao

[balmy condor]

exsang is REALLY

REALLY

REALLY

bad

[burnt latch]

Good

[balmy condor]

like

[burnt latch]

[balmy condor]

ABYSMAL

[strange python]

i love that word

[balmy condor]

venom rush is on the same row, and honestly, kinda better

[gloomy knoll]

what if it made dots

tick at 2x the speed 3x the damage

[manic pebble]

[vestal wren]

we should start a petition for a exsang rework

[balmy condor]

damage multiplier would be the only way to really save it

[gloomy knoll]

big dot

[balmy condor]

like you can lower the cooldown, you can make it faster

and it just doesn't help

[gloomy knoll]

yea just needs dam lol

[balmy condor]

I did some spell overrides to make it like 300% and 30 second cooldown

which would've been way way stronger than legion

and it was still absolute canned trash

[gloomy knoll]

well even in bfa people forget it wasn't just

big haste

[strange python]

lol damn

[gloomy knoll]

it was ss juicing the absolute fuck

out of garret

[balmy condor]

yeah

it was mostly shrouded

carrying it

[gloomy knoll]

need big dam dot

[balmy condor]

and then galecallers

and then blood

and then the haste mods on top of it

they just kept throwing more and more and more short bursty things at it

and it became good

that being said though, something a lot of people fail to recognize

exsang was meta, but only was about 1.5% ahead of the double dose stuff

like even with all the juice, the most dreamer patch for bleed builds

it was still just barely better

[gloomy knoll]

wasn't dd better on some lengths

[balmy condor]

yeah

[gloomy knoll]

lul

[vestal wren]

it was fun to play tho

[crystal blaze]

Yup, so frustrating at start but hella fun when you get the full expedient build

So much apm

[calm yew]

Can anyone help out, and go through our rogue her logs? I feel like she's doing mediocre damage, but unfortunately I lack the class knowledge to actively guide her.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GybjtJTLhFxBcrfR/#fight=2&type=damage-done

[earnest remnant]

220 ilvl

[thin trout]

she got a 80% rank for her itemlvl

[eternal totem]

hey guys, can anyone help with the priority of bone spike? I believe you use it in the opener, but during normal rotation do you only use it when you're about to cap charges?

[thin trout]

which means give her more gear

[calm yew]

ilvl parses are never accurate, and very unreliable though.

[balmy condor]

1. Apply dot
2. Extend LBE/Kevin, or cast during gemstone
3. Don't overcap

[balmy condor]

I'll take a look real quick and dm you

[eternal totem]

Thanks whispyr! 🙂 so pretty much outside of that, it's last priority

[balmy condor]

3 would be your last priority

[thin trout]

her itemization also doesnt loot the best, should focus on crit/haste

also a 187 offhand kek

you can compare her here with others https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/28#boss=2432&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&difficulty=4&covenant=4&soulbind=5&bracket=6

[strange python]

Is Venthyr and Obedience still go to for the new raid even with the upcoming nerf?

just wondering if i should swap from Necro even when i have max rank for both Doomblade and zoldyck

[south belfry]

[thin trout]

sims show it's super close to each other

obedience can however also be used as subtlety (well also outlaw but it's not the greatest there)

[strange python]

yeah exactly, seems like logs are showing a decent split on most bosses

since they're that close, it doesn't matter much unless you do m+, then i guess necro is somewhat easier to manage

[gloomy knoll]

sucks sin doesn't get to

use obedience :/ db so fucking boring

[shrewd moss]

Hello guys, i feel like i'm doing something wrong and i don't know what it is... I'm a bit new to rogue and i would appreciate some help if someone can look at my logs 🙂 (i know i have bad stats atm)
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NCkRgLQ8hZf7vB1y/#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=13

[idle star]

I mean it can use obedience but it just maxes out at 20 stacks

[south belfry]

Is that 0.3% gonna stop you from using it

[dry void]

how do you guys feel about swapping to sylvanas arrows? ppl who progressed

[fallow estuary]

Put some muts / envenoms on arrows that are very close to sylv

otherwhise stay boss

you're there for boss dmg

[strange python]

tunneling is what we do best 👀

[sick aspen]

zzz tell my RL that

[dry void]

ye thats what ended up happening. tried actually killing them and i had to take a chemo in the 15min brake

its so bad

[halcyon blade]

i feel this, i'm being asked to swap to painsmith balls despite the fact they are up for less than 5 seconds and we are failing the boss dps check

[gloomy knoll]

yes

[sick aspen]

exactly the same situation

[median aurora]

it just sounds like you have a RL that doesnt understand - best you can do is follow what they say and then point out why its not gonna work

or check if the people who can actually do the dmg are slamming as best they can

[halcyon blade]

yea i did that and then i got shouted at for my dmg on the boss dropping by more than the increase on the balls so cant really win

[median aurora]

if they aint, get on their case first and then see if you need to help

[icy dock]

is there a addon for missions like in bfa

one click best combination type thing

[vestal zodiac]

this is probably also why boomers are so good on painsmith, they pad with starfall but not double/triple ss

[strange python]

i'm scared of looking at my raid logs from yesterday since i'm not sure how to decipher the information and improve in the new raid 😅

[balmy condor]

send me a dm and I'll look at it tomorrow

I'm just finishing up my last one for tonight

2am

[strange python]

oh cool! thanks Whispyr!
Much appriciated!

[noble umbra]

can u still get renown from heroics at 42 renown?

[digital zodiac]

go on then lads any updates on the Venth v Necro battle?

[modest jasper]

Night Fae coming in hot with the steel chair

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, I think that this discord is sometimes like another job for you.

[balmy condor]

oh it definitely is. I'm in here like 16-18 hours a day, and when I'm lurking I'm usually simming or working on the defensive sheet or doing some other stuff

I like helping people idk

[hollow rune]

Icy Veins mentions to start with Mutilate from stealth if you're using Master Assassin, but that should be Ambush right? More dmg for equal amount of energy cost and CP gain.

[balmy condor]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[ancient rain]

hey guys, what combat potion should we use?

[digital zodiac]

rogue discord is 10000% better than the other classes i have been in

[balmy condor]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[balmy condor]

oh man

two in a row

starting a combo

[hollow rune]

Oh wow, interesting, thanks! Didn't know about the CP thing. Time for that faq? 😄

[tardy knoll]

For the venthyr ability, do we pool and build cp before using or just press it on CD???

[dry void]

rogue discord is a roundtable of monocle ppl drinking coffee. the rest is a preschool playground

[balmy condor]

yeah just finalizing I guess

[stiff thicket]

press it when you're about to cast a finisher next

[balmy condor]

(waiting on the other specs to agree and stuff)

[tardy knoll]

Sweet, and I'm done with dumb qurstions

[balmy condor]

aight sleep time

ping me and I will stabbo

not really

[stiff thicket]

@balmy condor good night

[balmy condor]

[placid shoal]

Hey, hows obedience looking post nerf? Is it still better than doomblade?

[tribal shuttle]

So I guess we assa rogues need to craft doomblade on back again

[stiff thicket]

[jagged osprey]

doomblade still pretty hype

obedience is the smart craft if you wanna play sub/sin

unless you already had doomblade and akaari then i'd say bin obedience off

for raids that is ^^

[obsidian ridge]

Doomblade is like 0.1% better on pure st, obedience should be better with more targets i'll make obedience r6 first

[stiff thicket]

0,34% according to sims

[obsidian ridge]

Also I wish to enjoy flagellation cdr goodness

[rigid tartan]

Akaari doesn’t do more st than finality for me

[gloomy knoll]

obedience is not better

on cleave

only on aoe

[jagged osprey]

really? thats surprising its about 100 dps ahead for me 🙂

[rigid tartan]

It’s within 10 dps for me what

[dry void]

obedience is also harder to use than doomblade

so unless you play textbook perfect you might as well keep doomblade

[strange python]

do you guys prefer to sim 1 target, 2/3 targets and 5 targets for assassination rogue or just 1 target for raiding and 7 for m+? seems like a lot of people are doing different things 👀

[teal bloom]

dungeonslice for M+

[limpid plinth]

Yep dslice for m+ 1 target for raid

[opaque tree]

Anyone know off the top how much currency is needed for the new leggo? I believe it's only soul cinders right, no ash?

rank 5 and 6

[jagged osprey]

Rank 5 upgrade costs 5,150 Soul Ash and 1,100 Soul Cinders.
Rank 6 upgrade costs 5,150 Soul Ash and 1,650 Soul Cinders.

[opaque tree]

woahh did not expect that much ash :x

okay ty, lol

[modest jasper]

Don't forget it's cumulative. If you have a r4 already it's only 1650 cinders to get to r6

[hollow talon]

do we go obedience

or doomblade

is the obedience nerf live on raidbots?

[stiff thicket]

It's whatever

They are even in sims

If you plan to play sub then obedience is the go to

If you stay sin just pick one

[brave peak]

But according to Bloodmallet Dashing Scoundrel should be a contender also, no?

[opaque tree]

I am using dashing currently. I started back up last week and wasn't able to get doomblade first week

it feels okay, it's fine for single target, but it actually feels better in AoE, getting an envenom off and then having all your poisons crit feels good, but single target is... okay? it honestly doesn't even feel like the energy regen is there.

[stiff thicket]

That's why there are sims

[strange python]

obedience is probably the better overall choice

for the exact same reasons that people suggested going finality over akaari for sub originally

[idle star]

Im puting crit/haste on my obidience regardless of sub/sin. Juuust in case

[strange python]

I think I might too

tbh I kind of expect sin to be the play in mythic SoD

[grizzled trail]

Goin to see what the big boys do and copy them so hard

Then answer questions here like it was my idea

[odd hazel]

#SimYoSelf #YourMilesMayVary

[timid talon]

absolutely is, sub will be good for farm parse runs when the fights are shorter for sure though.

[hollow talon]

my sim has doomblade like 100 dps over obedience

[odd hazel]

in pure ST doomblade wins yes

its like 60 ahead in whispyrs sims

actually like 38

im sure even 2t-3t maybe it wins too but the vers could be really good.

[sick cairn]

u think obedience is best on the nine?

also on eye?

heroic btw

[rustic whale]

tbh doomblade better for consistency also target swapping/moving away from melee range is not very punishing if we considering againts flag/obe. I would say if you are raiding as sin Doomblade is still best option unless they revert the versa nerf from obe

[fallen arch]

Necro doomblade ftw

For the nine

[strange python]

I'll definitely be heading into mythic with obe

[tardy knoll]

Looking at the pins I'd you want to duo reading dungeons, obe should be the first craft

[timid talon]

Doom is ahead on 2, but not again by much

[tardy knoll]

Raiding dugeons'

[timid talon]

Zold's is ahead on 3

[rustic whale]

for dungeons i go sub

tbh i m not fan of target swapping dotting etf

finality is a good lego for it

[exotic grail]

Hello, where should I put Doomblade?

[rustic whale]

cloak

[dim temple]

Sims are one thing in game is a other thing.. so in the end .. after 4 weeks i think neco will be the one togo

[sick cairn]

i can attest to this

nine is crazy for necro

[exotic grail]

Okey, thanks

[sick cairn]

crit haste

[fallen arch]

Yeah love it

[sick cairn]

eye as well

[scenic jetty]

I was having a vision of zoldyck+sylv daggers and helmir last trait

[sick cairn]

sub and sin is so unfair for eye

[scenic jetty]

For executes

[fallen arch]

Putting 2,5k between you and the sub rogue feels hella good

[sick cairn]

u literally dont need to dodge anything jus shadowstep

[sick cairn]

truew

[rustic whale]

are you talking about lazer thing?

[sick cairn]

yeah

shadow step always puts me in teh same place

[tardy knoll]

Outlaw can dodge that with hook as well

[fallen arch]

Cloak or step, both fine

[sick cairn]

i think hes talking about something else

[fallen arch]

You keep a lot more uptime then

[sick cairn]

i save cloak for oh shit moments

[fallen arch]

I dodge those

[rustic whale]

tbh real question for me between vent vs necro is "Fleshcraft"

so much incoming damage in sod

[fallen arch]

Your healers love you for having it some times yes

[rustic whale]

pulling chains in dormazain etc

good burst

[fallen arch]

Yeah, or the dance phase on painsmith

[rustic whale]

and dat dot can not be removed by CoS

pain in the

[dim temple]

using Obedience i will lose 85dps when simced 😮

[rustic whale]

i dk bro while in flag and if you get bad combo gen due to rng crit it might be bad

thats why i said doom better for consistency

[odd hazel]

lol

#SimYoSelf

and stop getting feelsy with it

Doom will most likely be better in pure ST, and 2t-3t. it will not be better in M+

[echo geyser]

I wonder if u can see how many stacks on average flag is getting when using obedience in sims

[odd hazel]

obedience wont change the stacks

on average most people get 20-23. the most people get seems to be about 28

[strange python]

so this is kinda awkward

[teal geyser]

when playing obedience u use flag on cd right?

[odd hazel]

you use flag on CD now

[strange python]

just simmed obedience and zoldycks and ma sims higher for me

lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wYiTbZwfiDV3WD63LAL4Xo anyone wanna tell me whats wrong

if possible

[odd hazel]

MfD

[strange python]

am i not supposed to use mfd

it was simming higher for me LMAO

[timid talon]

nothing is wrong, you just have like 150 crit on your gear

so ma is gonna sim higher

[strange python]

yeah but wouldnt that reduce the value of ma

[odd hazel]

MfD is just aids to use lol

no

we LOVE crit

and you not having any makes it better

[strange python]

i think i have a pretty decent amount no?

how much crit are ppl averaging lmao

[odd hazel]

i have 35% crit

[azure flare]

i have like, unironically 34% crit

[strange python]

its prob cus i transitioned from outlaw

so my gear is more geared towards outlaw

[rustic whale]

guys anyone able to send a link here to see current rogues using which covenant already?

[odd hazel]

people are playing venthyr and necro

pick one of the two or any of the 4

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rustic whale]

yeah i know but i wanna see the percents

[crystal vault]

Looking at sims, do we still go for obedience, since it’s close but more versatile?

[odd hazel]

i mean

why

[strange python]

but once i have better pieces for assass i obedience should be simming higher now right?

[odd hazel]

just check logs then if you want

[azure flare]

u can check warcraftlogs i suppose

[odd hazel]

Not exactly.

since the nerf, doom is better at ST/2t/3t and obedience is better at M+

if you're venthyr

[azure flare]

he's doing dung slice

sim

[strange python]

well ya this is specifically for m+

[odd hazel]

oh then yes

[azure flare]

yea in m+ it will get better

in st its on par/slightly worse than doom

u wont notice the diff on st tbh

[strange python]

bc im wracking my skinny little brain trying to figure out whether i should make zoldyck or obedience

i guess im gonna make obedience

[azure flare]

how did u uh

manually input the legendary

[odd hazel]

gear compare --- type the name of the leggo with out the power

and it lets you choose

[azure flare]

aaahh

pog ty

[strange python]

i used top gear

[odd hazel]

that works too

its in your bags then i assume

[strange python]

nah

[echo geyser]

No top gear u can add legos

[strange python]

^

[odd hazel]

Ah, well both work then

[echo geyser]

Its the easier way to sim legos u dont have

[azure flare]

ah ye I see

thats pretty neat

[odd hazel]

wait

so do dominaton sockets work in M+

[strange python]

kinda

the effects of the singular shards work but the set bonuses do not

[odd hazel]

Cool. ~

[strange python]

also is it just me or is doing torghast solo as sin really hard

am i missing something

[odd hazel]

what ilvl are you?
also, if you arent geared really for sin it might be hard. Sin has some busted builds you can go for

[azure flare]

yo let me in on those busted builds 👀

[iron orchid]

I find it really easy to do torghast as solo sin

Except in some wings like Mort'regar this week

where it can get out of hand

[strange python]

226

struggling in a 9 bro

lmao

[rapid forum]

Doing Thorgast as sin alrdy sounds super annoying

[flat musk]

Out of all 3 specs sin has been the easiest for me

[odd hazel]

I mean, get plenty of the power that gives your generators more damage after finishing.

The one that does damage to enemies around you.

The one that gives you Symbols, Adrenaline, and vendetta.

Some of the talent choices are good.

Evenom damage.

The extra poison.

plenty of good choices

[strange python]

ok but for the sake of speedrunning torghast

[rapid forum]

Why not do it as OL

[flat musk]

Red venom is nice

[strange python]

because i dont wanna change conduits xd

[odd hazel]

because sin is perfectly fine.

[strange python]

well no i think hes asking me that bc im geared for outlaw

[odd hazel]

^this

[azure flare]

hmm obedience ilvl 235 sims 64 dps lower than my doomblade which has the ilvl 210 lego

:Monkas:

[odd hazel]

make sure to acommadate for the peice you replaced.

[strange python]

man

fuck this im not stressing over torghast for 138 soul ash

[odd hazel]

im nots ure why people struggle with sin torghast wise.

but i will say if you're geared as outlaw, do it as outlaw.

[azure flare]

im pretty sure i did

[odd hazel]

i had to put a domination gem in one of my spots to have it sim higher for me

[azure flare]

huh weird

[odd hazel]

it'll prob be simming higher when we have more gear

[strange python]

if im gonna run 20 torghasts in a row again i would prefer to not have to change to outlaw

[azure flare]

yeah probs only does rlly well with more gear I suppose

[strange python]

but i guess if i have to

[odd hazel]

i mean

you dont have to

[strange python]

no

i have to

[odd hazel]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you do you

[azure flare]

i mean

just make a torghast group

in lfg?

[odd hazel]

i've done both layers by my self and got a rank 4

[azure flare]

its pretty easy then

[strange python]

yeah but that takes too long

[azure flare]

it really doesnt

[odd hazel]

it doesnt

you dont have 5-10 minutes?

[strange python]

thats the thing it doesnt take 5-10 mins

bc groups have to pull everything

[azure flare]

welll yea

[strange python]

or most things

[odd hazel]

yes...?

[azure flare]

thats how the new system works

u want to clear the entire floor

[odd hazel]

thats literally how it works now

you want to do EVERYTHING

pots, adds, quests, etc

[azure flare]

its like 15-20 min or so

[strange python]

you want to do everything if youre trying to get to the enxt level

[azure flare]

for a full run with pugs

[odd hazel]

yes?

[strange python]

im talking abt speedrunning it over and over again to farm soul ash

[odd hazel]

you said layer 9, we have layer 10 now

i mean

[azure flare]

okay u sac an extra 5 min at most