assassination

[limber lion]

gn king

[graceful mirage]

wew someone got banstabbed

welp, first raid day after realizing i was playing this spec terribly wrong, lets see how i fare.

[odd hazel]

jesus christ

@stuck knoll what did i walk into, i leave for like a few hours and someone got the ban

https://tenor.com/view/when-your-team-too-good-ban-salt-bae-gif-7580925

[winged basin]

some pick me boy came in and spammed

caught the boot

[odd hazel]

was it good spam atleast?

[winged basin]

kept pinging someone

[oak sky]

only sylvanas left to kill and i only got 2 loot the rest of the raid

ready to see my daggers

[solid venture]

Wtb dagger

[oak sky]

tbh i would be happy with any piece from sylvanas

no loot would be sad

[mortal pike]

What are the juciest powers for 1 st boss

[solid venture]

I got 1 dom socket piece and 2 gems off 17 kills

[subtle tundra]

gem drops are once per boss

[winged basin]

I got the vers mast gloves and a disgustingly bad shard hah

[subtle tundra]

no matter the difficulty afaik

my drops from the raid so far have been 2 pairs of boots with basically same stats from normal and a ring thats just bad cause it has no socket

[winged basin]

I cant complain horribly, got that ring off the nine on heroic first night

[subtle tundra]

and cant even put a domination socket in the boots cause i've dropped 0 dps ones

if you're already geared from last patch hc rings are bad except sylvanas

[winged basin]

I got the "using abilities on players gives you a chance to drain the enemy for like 105 damage"

[subtle tundra]

unless you get blessed with socket

thats still better than some very small amount of absorb lol

[solid venture]

I had 30% extra agi and str but no jumping, 30% extra dmg when within 10 yards of atleast 2 players, 12% crit and 30% reduced energy cost on "most abilities"

Did 14k dps

[mortal pike]

Is that overgrwoth seedling?

the armor+power cost reduction

[solid venture]

Yeah

[winged basin]

yes

so fun to use

[solid venture]

Literally just spam mut and never go out of energy

It's so good

[sour smelt]

you walked into some weirdo that started spam pinging me in random discords

apparently i suck toes

or something

[winged basin]

makes sense to me

[odd hazel]

[sour smelt]

the weird part was the eu server pings

when im na

didnt even ping me in the class discord of the class I main, terrible spammer tbh

[arctic walrus]

think it's time to change name/#

not allowed to have nice things ig

[woeful meteor]

Lumbering Form, Elethium Weights, Tremorbeast heart and huddled carvings is most likely the highest possible dmg combo. Lumbering Form has a very high chance to kill your group during the mist and I would guess that your guild will force you to swap powers and pugs will just insta kick you depending on the lead.

[stuck knoll]

I wish this was the first time something like that has happened

[idle star]

Ingot 1 item out of 11 bosses. I got something off first boss normal and didnt see anything from rest of bosses or first boss heroic. Feels bad

I got*

[deft wagon]

Guys - If im just interested in raiding (mythic plus just for weekly 15's, not trying to push keys), would you craft obedience or doomblade?

im venthyr atm

[idle star]

Obidience

How are you doing casual 15's?

[deft wagon]

What do you mean?

[idle star]

Like 15's atm are impoasible to get into without 27378483 m+ score

[odd hazel]

do your own tbh

[deft wagon]

Well do ur own key or play with guildies

[idle star]

How do you GET a 15 key then?

[deft wagon]

getting into a group might be hard but a 15 isnt really hard

[violet hemlock]

I did an 18 last season

[lyric dock]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[winged basin]

keys do feel extremely hard to get into. I have been trying to find people all day and have done 2 keys lmfao

[deft wagon]

Well luckily i have a guild with people who wants to do keys

[bleak sedge]

Same. But before the guild i had problems to find groups as a rogue tbh

[pure moth]

Use your key and make the group. Build it up to a 15 to do.
15s aren't bad at all.

[idle star]

I have a guild too. But it has cliques who only play together and screw everyone else

[winged basin]

^^

[deft wagon]

Yeah Sub4lyfe i get that, cliques in guilds can ruin alot if you ask me

[idle star]

15's first week tyranical arent bad? Dam son you smkin crack

[deft wagon]

its really not

[pure moth]

Ive done 2

[idle star]

You didnt time em

[pure moth]

Timed 1

[idle star]

Well.. dam. Well played

[bleak sedge]

Mist first boss and ToP are a nightmare atm haha

[wet galleon]

Fun story those were my 2 of my 3 keys so far this week….

[bleak sedge]

I tried ToP multiple times but the skeleton boss is either buggy or overtuned af

[soft shale]

i depleted a 18 top

[wet galleon]

I only did 11s so we got it but Jesus

[soft shale]

but 16 was fine

[violet hemlock]

Ive timed all but TOP and PF, hard cause Im not necro anymore

[soft shale]

i have a 17 now

[bleak sedge]

I think easiest atm are NW and SoA

[soft shale]

people are just not used to bosses lasting long

[mortal pike]

can you swap out powers on the 1st boss ?

or is that

A MEME

[soft shale]

yea you can talk with the anima siphon

and you lose all powers

then have to get them again to the corpses

[mortal pike]

and u can just keep doing it?

[violet hemlock]

no u get the same choices

[mortal pike]

OH

[violet hemlock]

u can just choose diff ones

[mortal pike]

okay ty

[idle sinew]

yo

[bleak sedge]

The knockup one is insanely fun to use with dots haha

[untold nest]

@bleak sedge after the nerfs i think sanguine prob one of the eaaasiest dungeons

Id say after NW thats the nr 2

or it just feels like it cuz i remember what a volcanicless gauntlet looked like in season 1 😄

[bleak sedge]

I hate sanguine from the bottom of my heart because im not allowed to stealth in the last corridor. Also fuck PF for the same reason

[untold nest]

I mean.... and u like spires 😄 ???

[bleak sedge]

No but its ez 🤣

[echo geyser]

are u guys bothering to craft doomblade if ur venthyr at all or just go obedience only?

[bleak sedge]

I might craft it later on but for now obedience only

[potent monolith]

and versa- cr?

[echo geyser]

i guess only relevant if u swap away from venthyr

[bleak sedge]

Especially since the last 3 bosses have a lot of adds where doomblade shits the bed anyways

[echo geyser]

mh yeah thats true doomblade only wins on pure ST

is there any interaction btw on conduits and legos for doomblade?

like the garrote one?

[polar ice]

Aren’t the early sims showing doom blade is still the St champ for sin?

[echo geyser]

yes but its 0.3-0.4 for that gear profile, i did not check for my own gear yet

but as someone mentioned

[bleak sedge]

Difference small af though

[echo geyser]

as soon as u dont press mutilate for some reason

doomblade gets worse

aka fok

[potent monolith]

You will build the obedience cloak with vr-cr or cr-haste?

[polar ice]

Agreed ash, just making sure things haven’t changed again

[fluid glade]

its nice to have a leggo that you can use on all 3 specs if you are venth and not worry about huge dps loss cause of it

[echo geyser]

crit vers so all specs fit

even tho i think its garbo for outlaw now after nerf

still good on sub

also venthyr prefs less haste anyways

[bleak sedge]

True. Especially since for assa it's great in m+ aswell so i dont have to grind more gear slots than I have to

[hollow river]

Yeah it’s 1k behind necro outlaw in dslice

[fluid glade]

base items will be fucking expensive too obv

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m waiting for r6 prolly

Give the rwf time to die down

[bleak sedge]

Obedience saves me money 😎 only 1 Leggo to buy

[echo geyser]

we can craft r5 next week or?

[hollow river]

Until they buff nf

Yeah

R5 next week

[bleak sedge]

@hollow river shhh

[hollow river]

XD

[bleak sedge]

Don't jinx it

[hollow river]

Lol nf the only cov I don’t have at 40

Plsno

[bleak sedge]

For me it's Kyrian haha

[hollow river]

I’ve got Kyrian

Started as kyrian

[bleak sedge]

Started expac as sub so Kyrian was annoying to use

[hollow river]

I was sub too

Then outlaw

Then sin now back to sub

[thin gate]

guys is the Bottled Flayedwing Toxin any good? i mean the necrotik wake trinket with the bonus poison for 1 Hour

[bleak sedge]

Not sure what i wanna play atm. Will test sub and sin with obedience next week and decide then

[thin gate]

i thought about it becoming maybe better with higher ilvl Conduit on Toxic Blade

[polar ice]

My one big take away from 9.0/9.0.5 is to keep all 3 specs ready to roll

[hollow river]

Yup

I hope sub aoe stays how it is

[bleak sedge]

Udlirrrrr

[bleak sedge]

Don't like outlaw so ill stick with the dagger ones 😂

[mortal pike]

🙏 ty for nerfing obedience so I can stay necro

[amber mountain]

About to step into SoD Normal with my guild aaaaaaaaaand people don't even know that the Terragrue is the first boss...

kill me now

[ivory breach]

Hell yeah brother

[bleak sedge]

Have fun at painsmith lmao

[amber mountain]

I'll be happy if we make it past the eye tbh

we're a "dragging well behind the curve" kinda guild

[violet hemlock]

Atleast ur trying

[polar ice]

You, are what they call, “fucked” sir.

[amber mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/snatch-tommy-proper-fucked-gif-15839006

[thin gate]

Painsmith is actually Pain

[dawn ivy]

its so much fun dude

[red bloom]

I dunno, I really enjoyed painsmith

[grand echo]

I enjoyed it too

It's a fun fight

[thorn fjord]

So DB over obedience now i gather?

[dawn ivy]

in many cases yes

[balmy condor]

they're equal in sims

[thorn fjord]

Think i'll just recraft DB on back now and get obedience a few weeks down the road

[echo geyser]

why?

thought obedience is just generally better if u ever dont mutilate right?

or is it also easy to "lose value" on obedience too?

[thorn fjord]

I'm a big fan of db tho hehe

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor are u staying venthyr?

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn fjord]

Are you still crafting obedience or are you going with DB back?

[grizzled mist]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[dark jewel]

at what raid fights would obedience get high value?

[inner temple]

im prob going obi just so i can rock a single lego and not have to make 40 of them lol

[dark jewel]

compared to db at least

[mortal pike]

when opening on a 2 target fight do you dump all your regular opener then start spreading dots

or try and get both dotted then go into vendetta window

[placid dawn]

hey guys, I got a grey parse on guardians 😦 Could i get some feedback? really don't know what i did wrong

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hqwzyZjHkaNTFcAR#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=1

i mean, there were no huge mistakes

[dusky vault]

Any fights with downtime where you get extra flag casts eg painsmith

[amber mountain]

terragrue down on the 2nd attempt, not bad for the scrubs we are

[violet hemlock]

@placid dawn did u use the fact the pillars are a dmg increase

[echo geyser]

wait the pillars are dps increase?

[echo geyser]

u talking about guardian fight?

[placid dawn]

wait what? pillar are not a dam increase

its not sludgefist 😐

[violet hemlock]

Some guide said they were dont remember which one. If thats not the case I can't see whats up with ur log

probs just the fact small sample size

of really good players

[placid dawn]

well, its 880 logs, not really that few

[violet hemlock]

any guild that got past painsmith is atleast somewhat decent

[placid dawn]

18 parse feels terrible

ill just say its my gear so i can feel better

[violet hemlock]

but 6.2 isnt great on a pretty much tank and spank

[placid dawn]

i know, thats why im looking for mistakes

my sim is 6.5k

[violet hemlock]

also tad bit unlucky fight length

[placid dawn]

i got the circles once but it wasnt on coolies or anything

[violet hemlock]

like a fight ending 30s before next vendetta sucks

[placid dawn]

fight was 5m, so next vendetta is in 1 min

not that bad really

[plucky epoch]

Why is assassination like the highest scoring spec on warcraftlogs in raid is it really that good with balance and spriest around

[violet hemlock]

@placid dawn what happened on ur 3rd vendetta as u did a lot less dmg there

[placid dawn]

no clue, i checked the rotation and it was fine

[violet hemlock]

u messed up ur MA

[placid dawn]

i did vanish env mut env

[nocturne ridge]

did garrote generate three or two combo points in BFA with shrouded suffocation

i NEED to know

[echo geyser]

+2 so 3 i think

[nocturne ridge]

ty

[manic pebble]

do you use doomblade or zoldyck on sylva?

[soft shale]

zoldyck nono

[spice spire]

Doomblade or obedience

There’s deadass no execute in sylvanas so Zoldyck is essentially not a legendary

[manic pebble]

oh I get it now ty

I always thought zold = aoe

[plain thistle]

syvanas dies at 50%

zoldick has no use there

[manic pebble]

oh

alright

lmao

[sonic schooner]

using zoldyck on sylvanas so u can equip the BIS cloak instead of doomblade

[manic pebble]

okay wtf is her movements

I'm gonna puke

too fast

[sonic schooner]

she doesnt really move

[soft shale]

she does 2 jumps

remember that

then just step

[dusky vault]

Zold will be good for tarra but essentially unnecessary given its the first boss

[sonic schooner]

i wouldnt use zoldyck for tarra actually, eye maybe, roh kalo aswell might be good for it

🤔

[spice spire]

Maybe, doesn’t change the fact that the question was about sylvanas though

[sonic schooner]

Maybe sylvanas last phase on mythic will go from 50% to 1%

28mn fight

[spice spire]

The mythic only phase is just “kill quicker”

[sonic schooner]

Mythic+ fight

[placid dawn]

bonespike does not reset from KT ads

that sucks

[sonic schooner]

because they dont really die

[amber mountain]

Got the Eye down too 2nd attempt

so, not bad

[odd python]

Meet my new Fatescriber parse

Now, need to figure out how to parse KT

[graceful mirage]

you stab him

a lot

[ebon notch]

How did you pull that off

[sonic schooner]

not doing any ring and runes mecanic

[indigo mulch]

and spam CT on adds

😮

[odd python]

+1

And +1

[placid dawn]

isnt envenom more damage than CT initial hit?

[strange python]

are BIS shards in the pins somewhere?

[fallow otter]

Yes

[strange python]

they arent

[lost mist]

heroic sylvanas is pretty hard lol

we just reach p3

1 alive lol

[fallow otter]

Whats killing everyone

[sick cairn]

the sims are BiS and 80 renown right?

[tribal marlin]

That fight is a joke

really

like is this Beta test ?

or what ?

So much bullshit happened to us tonight really

like the boss that teleport while casting ruin

Litterally trolling you like you dash to kick and she just teleport mid cast "heyo nop you will wipe this"

[lost mist]

lol

[tribal marlin]

Not to mention that the fight litterally last 15mn with 10mn being just boring shit. Yes I'm very disapointing from that fight

[fathom swift]

yeah we had a ruin cast in p2 randomly happen 2 platforms ahead of where we were last night, was very interesting

so many mechanics just happening at weird times or not happening at all

[tribal marlin]

Yeah or Jaina that just doesn't create bridge because she's busy hitting a "evade" non-elite add

like wtf

litterally unfinished work

[fathom swift]

you know its bad when most of the public kill logs the boss bugs out and stops casting half her abilities in p3

[tribal marlin]

lol I didn't even noticed that but thanks for poiting at it

Saved all my luck for this boss and we might not even kill her this week 😦

[fallow otter]

Yeh they are bugging it on purpose

[fathom swift]

yeah look at the p3 veil casts on some of them

[tribal marlin]

Half of our pulls tonights were bullshit bugs

[fathom swift]

do you know what causes it

[fallow otter]

Not sure if spreading the info is a great idea haha

[tribal marlin]

I mean they released a unfinished patch because of marketing pressure from CEO

[fallow otter]

https://youtu.be/B_plgQOdJ6g

[tribal marlin]

They need to assume people exploiting

[fallow otter]

Let's just say they don't leave the middle platform from what I hear haha

[tribal marlin]

I heard this has been fixed already

[fallow otter]

I hope so

Maybe patched slower on Chinese servers? Dunno

[tribal marlin]

This is pre-hotfix kill

I believe they fixed it when they extended the enrage timer earlier

[fallow otter]

So you taking about post hotfix logs?

[odd python]

i think they need to hire sep[arate team to do end-of-raid fights

sylvanas seems like 8.3 all over again

[tribal marlin]

idk I need to dive deeper into these logs you mentionned

It's so sad because 9/10 bosses of this raid are really amazing

But Sylvanas is very disapointing

[fallow otter]

Yeh tbh we just finish kt so I'm only just starting to look, but guildies have been digging

[tribal marlin]

We killed KT thursday, did normal splits Friday and started Sylv today but like

[odd python]

Since im 8/10 hc, and a probable kill on KT next raid (tuesday ) is it worth skipping KT alltogether to have a chance for normal dagger from vault?

[fallow otter]

I was annoyed when she starts jumping around and hitbox stays (not horrible) but then she does actually move and you have to move.

[tribal marlin]

everyone was pissed off because half our wipe was just bullshit bugs

[hollow river]

I’m starting to think sylvanas is a sin fight

[inland hull]

Anybody have advice for melee heavy comp on Painsmith? I'd love to not swap from boss, but have to switch to get the targeted ball down. Does shadowstep get me behind it?

[fallow otter]

I don't suggest stepping a ball

[tribal marlin]

both spec are fine. Might want to play stilleto if you play sub tho

[hollow river]

Why

Honestly the cd management on sub feels rough on that fight

[fathom swift]

didnt try sub but assa felt fine on it

[hollow river]

We’ve only done a few pulls so I’m not the best with timing yet but

[tribal marlin]

phase 1 doesn't really matter you'll have to stop dps anyway

[fathom swift]

you prob want to slightly hold cds in p1 for after the chains that happen at like 2 min

[hollow river]

Really hmm

[fathom swift]

yeah depends if you have enough to push

most guilds prob wont

[tribal marlin]

we try pushing and she was just laughing at us every time. Double casting even when we pushed her enough

[fathom swift]

ya that happened to us a bit too

[hollow river]

Same

[tribal marlin]

so we just end up stop dps so we don't wipe half our pull because of bullshits timers

[hollow river]

I’ve been busting everything on pull

3min again in bridge area(p2)

Then again on pillars

And just dance/symbols every time symbols is up

But I end up wasting symbols too much

Sin just simpler xD

[shy dust]

DUDE

that was so annoying

on thursday trying to push her before 3rd

you hit it and then she just sends the arrows

[hollow river]

Most of the fight is annoying lol

What causes her to spawn in different places in p2?

Like she spawned way behind us when she was supposed to spawn next to us once

[fallow otter]

@tribal marlin how can you enjoy kt except for phalactory phase. Although I do like popping 3 spikes for some reason

Im just not a fan of running around killing adds I think

[balmy condor]

does KT get better on heroic

[limber falcon]

Hey people! Is there a ressource that explains the use of necrolords bone spike in a ST raid rotation?

[balmy condor]

was an awful fight on normal

[balmy condor]

1. apply dot
2. extend LBE/kevin, or cast during gemstone
3. don't overcap

[limpid plinth]

KT was nice on normal or atleast for me because i just spanked the boss and add on portal 😄

[limber falcon]

Makes sense. I'm looking a my raids rogue rotation and he uses all 3 charges on pull. Seems inefficient with master assassin talent + losing dot uptime.

Thanks

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's kinda awful

[limber falcon]

yup. figured

[fallow otter]

Nope, I'm not a fan

[fallow otter]

Whats the motivation of casting during gemstone

Im out of the loop

[balmy condor]

lot of damage

[kind talon]

it crits

dmg

pog

[sick cairn]

will obedience beat Doomblade this reset? with next weeks renown?

or that doesnt matter

[eternal turtle]

is there a reason why everyone uses/recommends shadowcore oil + phantom fire pots? it seems to sim lower than using just double sharpening stone by 30~ dps

[fallow otter]

Ye I mean, bang for buck it's real good i take it?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[fallow otter]

Gcd per dmg

Interesting

[thorny pond]

!Oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[grave palm]

Hmmm. Conflicted. Keep seeing alot of people saying the the new legendary, "obedience" is really good. Should I hold out for that, and stay venthyr? or jump on Maldraxxus, because I see alot of Mald Rogues. ._.

[dim yacht]

did covenant specific conduits get their drop rate increased or given another source? or do i just have to wait it out and hope i get lots of those 226 conduit things from korthia

[eternal turtle]

@prisma monolith thnx friend

[plush garnet]

Is the unholy shard set still the best set for sin?

[steel palm]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[idle star]

any way to refine the Sin opener? it feels clunky as hell going mut > SnD > Mut > garrote > Rupture... if you dont crit anything you feel really bad using Master Assassin

[uneven summit]

does anybody here have an updated PI overview of value for sanctum?

[robust pasture]

It feels pretty good to me. You get everything up for the first big pump with vendetta and vanish and envenom spam. Usually you should be able to get a lot of envenoms into that first shiv. Feels good single target to me at least compared to some historical sin openers.

[humble ginkgo]

anyone know pvp talents for sin

idk if wowhead is is accurate

[glass stratus]

During the Shiv window, do you work up to 4+ combo points for each envenom?

[mortal patrol]

1233121 hemotoxin is must have, then probably smoke bomb and the sprint one

[robust pasture]

I envenom at 4-5 yes

5-6 if DS

[idle star]

ISNT dEEPER sTRAT THE GO TO st TALENT?

soz caps

[somber hill]

if u don't crit anything in that window u got insanely unlucky lol

depends on ur sim

if u have omega low haste EP and Vigor could sim highe fo u

for venthy it is usually DS and BS but sim to be sure for urself

due to flag giving lots of haste ^

and also due to nadija

[glacial seal]

Btw do you guys dump extra cp before flagellation end ? Or still stick to the 4-5 cp rule

[velvet nacelle]

i just looked at the WCL statistics

you guys need to stop pumping, it's making me look bad

[bleak sun]

Tbh if i see 1sec left i envenom even with 3cp to get 3more stack idk if its OK or not

[balmy condor]

Stick to the rule

[tame basin]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[balmy condor]

If you’re playing sub, its actually neutral dps wise to finish on lower cp at the end of flag

But on Assassination it’s too inefficient

Not worth it

[bleak sun]

OK

[shell ivy]

Any of u killed kel thusad and got horrible log

[balmy condor]

I’m blue parsing all my first kills dude it feels terrible

[tame basin]

are there any trinks sims?

[glacial seal]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Yes, many

[shell ivy]

We did the dmg stop strat

[balmy condor]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[tame basin]

thx, don't know all commands

[glacial seal]

Do you play crimson tempest ?

[marsh bronze]

Hey guys, I just came back after quitting 9.0 to raid in 9.1. So I only have enough soul ashe to craft 1 235 lego next week and wondering if I should just make doomblade cloak or is obedience still BiS after nerf?

[shell ivy]

Not sure if I should really blame it on the dmg stop strat

But 9% is very bad

Best dps being a blue log

[tame basin]

I though Ravenhold may have own page like priest discord

[shell ivy]

No I don’t and I’ve been assigned to go down

[balmy condor]

Nah, there’s some spreadsheets and stuff but that’s our theorycrafter’s personal sheets, not anything on ravenholdt itself

Mine is linked in the pins with the sims

Fuu’s is here

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[glacial seal]

You can blame it on the stop dps and being first week. We play 2 rogues and we had fight with 200-300 dps fight which ended up being green/purple parse ^^

[balmy condor]

His is uh….

A little more granular

[shell ivy]

Mine wasn’t even green

Never had such low parse if I don’t die that is

Maybe I actually did smth wrong

[glacial seal]

Crimson is good since you can "padd" and get more energy on the boss but you will always go down as rogue

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor i'm green parsing 😦

i bring shame to the rogue community

[shell ivy]

And I’m not sure if it’s good idea but I’ve vendetta’d the remnant

Once I think

[glacial seal]

Oh ok then it makes sense

[balmy condor]

Not true

Think about it like this

[shell ivy]

Would u say it’s not good?

[plush garnet]

Is unholy shard set still the best for rogue?

sin *

[balmy condor]

You green parsing is making others purple

You’re the support player

[shell ivy]

It felt like it was lining up perfectly with the dmg stop, I could actually get the whole 20 sec duration of it

[balmy condor]

Helping everyone else’s parses

[glacial seal]

If you don't need it's not good, if you can't kill it downstair, it's required. The goal is to kill the boss in the end

[velvet nacelle]

@balmy condor i'm way too selfish to be ok with that

[mortal pike]

im just the resident ilvl parser

[shell ivy]

Yeah but I guess it wouldn’t affect my overall dps then if I vendetta the remnant

So I can’t tell what I did wrong, probably because I wanted to be safe and kept prio kill the tank adds

So a lot of target shifting, some during shiv

[velvet nacelle]

i dunno how you guys are doing it though, i feel like my rotation is right but then i'm only bursting to like 5.3k (midfight) and you guys are finishing at like 7k on the same ST fights

[shell ivy]

Apart from that I really can’t tell why I performed this bad

Log wise

[glacial seal]

Dude, I feel like there is some gap between ppl as well. On guardian, I felt like I was doing good (6k8) and then I see top parse at almost 8k ...

[velvet nacelle]

@shell ivy you and me both brother, you and me both

[kind talon]

i feel it man

when you get all the mechanics

on remnant

youre literally just pad

for the big cockers

[velvet nacelle]

i didn't get many mechanics on remnant and only finished 5.6k

[grim hornet]

hey guys, this seems weird. I just made a quick sim and it holds second flag for second vendetta, the flag again at ~3:30, then holds third vendetta till flag is up at 5. Is this usual?

[shell ivy]

Pretty sure a fight like guardian is gonna be down to the kill timer

For logs

[velvet nacelle]

finished 3rd in my raid with a 45 parse

[shell ivy]

I’m pretty sure we had at least 2 mins more on each kill compared to other guilds

[glacial seal]

I have recently learnt when to use flagellation based on kill timer but it will all go away with Venthyr Lego, so it might be that

[velvet nacelle]

@glacial seal you still gonna make obedience?

with the prices being what they are now and with me not having the foresight to at least buy a 235 before the prices jumped, i was actually happy to see the obedience nerf heh

[glacial seal]

Yeah of course. I don't like it because it reduced the energy Regen and slow the gameplay but it still is better

[balmy condor]

It’s also just better for sub

And you can use it in dungeons

Seems pretty no brainer to me

[velvet nacelle]

i'll make it eventually, just waiting for the market to re-stabilize

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[velvet nacelle]

i guess the question was more "you still gonna make it right away?"

i still like master assassins for dungeons on assassination, probably not optimal but i just like opening with crits

kinda gotten to a point in m+ where i don't really play the min/max game... if i was i'd play outlaw since i consistently outperform my assassination attempts with outlaw anyways, so if i'm gonna play "what's fun" i'm gonna lean in on the fun

[glacial seal]

Yeah right away, the goal is to progress through mythic anyway ...

[sick cairn]

when obedience drops next week, can doomblade gemstone still compete?

[vestal wren]

doomblade remains a strong pick

obedience is more or less on par in st

for assassination

[timid talon]

Anyone get daggers yet? I wanna know who to be mad at

[velvet nacelle]

i'm feeling like there's a lot of things that are close enough that it'll be way more about personal preference anyways

[sick cairn]

I play a lot of outlaw and assa, but im getting pressured by RL to go venth, well i can because my venth is renown 40

[velvet nacelle]

@timid talon some fuck posted them on tuesday. i was trembling with rage

[sick cairn]

im still necro

[timid talon]

[idle star]

i have received 1 peice of loot (226 gloves) out of 12 bosses

raid loot is zzzzz

[velvet nacelle]

i just simmed 5 talent combos and the difference was like 70 dps from best to worst

i'm dropping way more than 70 dps just from being bad

(also currently on the best talent combo)

[timid talon]

I've gotten 3 pairs of boots now, 2 in heroic 1 in normal

[glacial seal]

I feel like Necro is fine and the ability is cool and gives a lot of flexibility

[timid talon]

i know the struggle

[idle star]

wait for reset. ill my +15 vault item will be a cloak, the same slot im making my obedience. you just wait.

[timid talon]

yep, ill get 3 cloaks from m+ and then the same boots i have in the raid slots

if i get a phial before the end of the tier the end of the world is near

[velvet nacelle]

what's a "phial"? is that a thing that actually drops?

[glacial seal]

I killed denathrius in January, still no 233 weapon and still one weapon 220...

Also with valor point you can farm phial so it will be fine this tier

[dim yacht]

@idle star you could also get one that would have a domination socket lol

[velvet nacelle]

@glacial seal valor points were a thing last season too, still need the initial phial to drop

[sturdy bone]

Well the progress was way over before it was introduced (valor)

[velvet nacelle]

i'd say about halfway, but either way, i didn't see a phial all season so it was irrelevant for me

my valor went into heavy calloused hide or whatever

[tiny ember]

so bois do we expect anymore nerfs

[vestal wren]

no

[tiny ember]

I trust

[timid talon]

Do we have any sims reflecting the new trinket buffs?

I know its not much but

the pins dont seem updated

[pure sinew]

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[dark swift]

Is it worth for assa to do the pre pull deathly shadows shenanigan?

[strange python]

deathly shadows

[stiff thicket]

I don't think so

You'll need your vanish for master assassin and combo point builder for flag

[timid talon]

its a gain but its so minor that it's whatever

[stiff thicket]

Imo it's not worth

[timid talon]

rank 1 parses arent even doing it

[balmy condor]

I keep seeing this and I’m always confused about what buffs people are talking about

When did these buffs happen

[timid talon]

the other day ill link them one sec

https://www.wowhead.com/news/sanctum-of-domination-trinket-tuning-for-july-13th-14th-323320

here

its just for fusion amp and ocular gland

and very minor but i could see gland being better in some situations

[balmy condor]

Oh haven’t seen that one yet

Mostly meaningless tbh

Ocular still won’t compete

And fusion amplifier was slightly behind shadowgrasp

Probably closer

[oak sky]

i didnt get loot from sylvanas

[balmy condor]

But they didn’t touch any of the actually weak trinkets

[timid talon]

those values are only for the 226s so the gap on 239's might be bigger

and yeah decanter/fragment needed some love for sure

[balmy condor]

The buffs don’t seem that big

[timid talon]

not at all, hoping we get to see more

Fragment could use a lot of love

[grim hornet]

guys, if im not mistaken, opener with MA talent should be something like "mut snd mut garr flag rupture shiv vanish mut env..." where should i fit vendetta there, b4 flag or after?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

Do what’s comfortable to you

[grim hornet]

ok

[tulip mist]

do we only use Ambush from proc?

[timid talon]

yes

[grim hornet]

also, if i use shiv on cd, when i have vendetta again (~2min mark) it takes some time for shiv to come back. Should i try to line up something here or just press my butons on cd and that's it?

[balmy condor]

Hold shiv for ~10 seconds if it’s gonna sync with vendetta

[knotty dew]

So is there a general rule about abilities to use AFTER vanish? I've been going for 5+ cp before vanish - envenom - mutilate - envenom but I notice in logs that most ppl use vanish - mutilate - envenom - mutilate... (I'm specced Blindside+DS - necro cov)

[balmy condor]

Any combo of mut and envenom is fine

[timid talon]

so more envenoms are more damage than one critting so i think people favor it

[balmy condor]

As Long as you still follow the max-1 cp rule

And don’t slam a 3cp envenom or whatever

If you’re specced deeper

You have to mut twice anyway

[knotty dew]

well if my shiv is about to run out, I might do a 3-4 cp envenom to have a buffed envenom in - not worth?

[balmy condor]

No way around it

No

Not worth

Always finish at max-1

Never lower

[knotty dew]

when mut only gives 2 cp, feelsbad if you can only get in 2 envenoms in shiv window...

[balmy condor]

Shiv is an uptime debuff

Not a burst cd

Stop thinking about envenoms during it

[dark swift]

Should I 3cp envenom just before flag ends to get more stacks?

Or not worth it again

[balmy condor]

okay

Look at me

[modest jasper]

[dark swift]

💩

[main wharf]

👁️ 👁️

[balmy condor]

NEVER.
DO NOT.
EVER.
finish at less than max-1

That means NEVER

As in

[timid talon]

[balmy condor]

DO NOT DO IT

[pseudo nimbus]

This actually changes my view on a Shiv. Thanks for this! I always pool energy and wait so that I can maximize envenoms. Thus leaving it off CD too much.

[main wharf]

but what if i...

[modest jasper]

Yes but what if the enemy is at dmg(max-2) life and I can optimize my parse and also what if...

[placid dawn]

Guys, please help. I got a grey parse on guardians and I don't know what I did massively wrong. Here is my log of the fight:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hqwzyZjHkaNTFcAR#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=1

[balmy condor]

I had someone ask me one time if he should flag with vendetta or with vanish

And I was super confused what he meant

Dude was spreading his CDs

[main wharf]

....

[balmy condor]

I told him to always cast vanish during vendetta

And he just responded with “what if I’m not playing ma?”

This convo reminded me of that

[modest jasper]

I like when there is a guideline and people are starting to ask the 'but what if'

[balmy condor]

It’s all fun and games until they ask for evidence

And I’m like “my name green, I know things”, and then they insist

And I have to run some janky ass sim

To prove that some fried ass idea

Is an actual loss

On the one hand, big respect for the academic integrity and proof checking

On the other, really super annoying and requires a lot of effort to just show things that are already known

Not great

[limpid plinth]

WF group representing 😂

[primal turret]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[sick cairn]

quick question, the only time we hold shiv is if vendetta is 10s left right?
with this idea, we still shiv off cooldown even though we dont have 4-5 cp? or can we use 1 more GCD to get 4-5cp then shiv envenom

[stiff thicket]

use shiv on cd

[limpid plinth]

On cooldown

[sick cairn]

ignoring cp?

got it

[limpid plinth]

Yep

[sick cairn]

thanks, that helps a lot

[limpid plinth]

Even at max cp just slam it

[sick cairn]

but the crit RNG is what decides the 3 envenom shiv right?

[limpid plinth]

Does not matter just press it on cd

[sick cairn]

thanks

ive been told to use SBS only on gemstone and when its going to over cap, can i use an SBS to squeeze one more envenom during shiv/vendetta?

[limpid plinth]

No need

[sick cairn]

oh so its really only gemstone? and overcap?

[limpid plinth]

Yep

[pseudo nimbus]

Sorry for dumb question, what is the gemstone?

[limpid plinth]

Like whispyr just said stop thinking about envenoms during shiv

[sick cairn]

thanks, no more rotation questions from me

[limpid plinth]

Just think its a debuff you wanna apply soon as possible

[sick cairn]

like colossus smash?

kekekek

[weak ice]

Do you guys think I have too much haste?

[sick cairn]

not sure

usually just sim yo self

ive asked that here before

[limpid plinth]

Necrolord trait which gives you buff

[sick cairn]

but i was told that having more crit than haste is btter for venth

and its vice versa for necro

which is my situation, the ring i made had too much crit

i have 31 crit but my haste is only 23

[warped umbra]

with my current gear i'm at 32 crit, 18 haste and around 30 mastery, feels super starved with ma and ds

[weak ice]

even with this much haste raidbots stats is putting it almost equal to crit

[sick cairn]

were probably overcapping on crit, i find 21 haste pretty comfortable

but u know, there is no magic number sim yo self

[hollow river]

the crafted items still janky. eeek

[warped umbra]

Yeah probably, I'm playing with what I got, so I don't have the luxury of swapping out things, it only feels starved at the begging of the fight without alacrity stacks though

[hollow river]

that's kinda just how the spec plays

unfort

[warped umbra]

Well vigor feels a lot smoother at the beginning of the fight

[hollow river]

yeah i suppose

it's usually a miniscule dps loss to play EP-Vigor on ST

sim it and see

if you find it more enjoyable

[torn atlas]

I'm not gonna have the chance to sim myself before I log on for raid tonight. But I did the Taz hard clear last night. Is the OP neck you can get from there the one you get for the quest (and is it still OP even after nerf)? And is it generally considered good for us?

[warped umbra]

Yeah I have to revisit that

[hollow river]

i've got no idea on any Taz gear

i'd just sim it after raid

if you can't beforehand

[torn atlas]

I just have heard that (prior to the nerf) it was allegedly better than mythic raid pieces for some classes.

Yeah I guess it's not like I have a bad neck that's it's gonna replace anyway. I'll just run with the one I have and sim that one after.

Doubt it will make or break our attempts haha

[hollow river]

nah it won't.

i'm unfamiliar with anything being broken from Taz except something about a sack trinket

which neck are you talking about?

[solid venture]

the neck with primary stat boost proc

[swift sky]

sack is rly good and neck proc is decent if you dont have any good necks, the uptime on the neck is around 50%

[hollow river]

how do i see HM loot

in game

[swift sky]

you can’t just up any loot from 226 to 233

[hollow river]

i don't see this neck

[swift sky]

and hardmode questline neck isn’t on loot table afaik

its questline

[hollow river]

the Credentials neck?

200ilvl?

[swift sky]

it goes up to 226

[hollow river]

from completing HM?

[swift sky]

yep

[hollow river]

does sound kinda good ngl

but i'd still sim it

[swift sky]

as i said from my testing it had 50% uptime

[topaz echo]

Sack dealt 7-9% on on some of my HC SoD kills recently. Pretty sure it’ll get destroyed next week.

[primal turret]

If i talk to draven to go venthyr (i have to do the quest this week and next save) can i still use my current covenant habilities till next week?

[hollow river]

yes

you can use them until you turn the quest in afaik

have you been venthyr before?

because if not, then no. i believe you go straight to venthyr 1 renown

[primal turret]

yep at the beggining of the expansion

[hollow river]

kk you should be able to quest to a certain point

but don't turn it in

until you're ready to use Flag

[primal turret]

Yeah ill turn it in tomorrow at night just in case

[hollow river]

i'm not 100% familiar with the process

the only swap-back i've done was free

[torn atlas]

If you were Venth right at the start of the expansion there won't be a swap back quest as it got reset at patch.

[primal turret]

Oh okey

Do i still mantain my renow?

[hollow river]

your old renown

that you had when venthyr

yeah

[primal turret]

thats nice thank you

[hollow river]

you get 1 free swap

since 9.1 hit

so don't talk to draven at all til ur ready for venthyr abilities

[swift sky]

i wonder if it will be better than a max valor upgraded phial/totem

welp hope it drops next taza hm run

[grim hornet]

is it worth pairing 1m30s trinkets like skulkers with vanish/vendetta or also press on cd?

[topaz echo]

sack has no agi so maybe it'll lose when other trinkets scale. but right now... https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gmn7ZC4RTLvBb8t6#fight=8&type=damage-done

[signal brook]

yo guys do i use flagellation on cooldown or wait until it lines up with vendetta?

[topaz echo]

you wait unless you'll lose a cast of flag when the boss hits the floor

[south belfry]

Use on cd

[tulip nacelle]

they don't interact in any way, just on cd

[signal brook]

thanks guys

[swift sky]

holy fuck yea thats powerful alright lmfao

[tulip nacelle]

only line up towards the end of the fight, you have to not miss a cast

[grim hornet]

well i thought MA talent affected trinkets also, and the dmg amp from vendetta

[tulip nacelle]

neither does

[grim hornet]

im stupid then 😄

will try pressing more my buttons. I don't have any problem with "cd on cd" with outlaw but dunno why i respect a lot assa cds

like i try to line em so i can get the more of them and seems im mistaken with this behaviour

[solid venture]

wait vendetta doesn't increase any sort of trinket dmg?

i've been holding my dreadfire vessel to pair with vendetta everytime

[tribal spear]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nFWHVPvTRJ8Mpa2B#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=14
can comeone help me optimize? iam not really good in reading logs but i know i do some mistakes

[south belfry]

It says abilities and autoattacks

[south belfry]

Garrote uptime pretty low

[timid talon]

Shiv more

[zealous summit]

To add to "shiv more" you should pool to like 2/3 energy and shiv on cd

make sure you get 3 envenoms in your shiv every time

[placid dawn]

thats not really necesary

you also have only 3 flag casts, could have done 4

[arctic walrus]

Read the guide for a proper opener, you realize shiv is a dps cd for this spec right? You could’ve literally used it twice as many times, it is to be used on cd. Stop overcapping so much with mut/garrote. Finish at -1 max or max

Use agi pot not phantom fire, get better uptime on ep/envenom by managing your resources better

[south belfry]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[zealous summit]

nice assassination role, bud

[south belfry]

The Ravenholdt guide says to use Phantom Fire

Same with IV

[placid dawn]

agi is more consistent

[south belfry]

RH says to use oil and IV says to use sharpening stones

[whole mason]

I'd say that I saw a terrible opener: you were energy exhausted about 4 gcd after your flag and only 3 finishers in its window
You tend to gar after the debuff expires. For this point you need to take advantage of Pandemic and refresh it earlier.
You need to shiv more.

[zealous summit]

I go agi for aoe, phantom fire for st

[south belfry]

Yeah thats what ive been doing

[zealous summit]

phantom fire is better with more uptime/autos

[tribal spear]

thanks for your advices!

but how can i do the opener better? i allways try to do it like in the guide explained

[zealous summit]

with MA it's pretty smooth. mut, snd, mut, garrote, rupture, vendetta, flag, trinkets ...

[tulip nacelle]

you should flag before rup

[rigid pine]

^

[zealous summit]

yeah to get the most of it, my b

[stiff thicket]

always flag right before an envenom/rupt

[pallid pewter]

you could also shiv a bit more

6 shiv in 5:30 is low ish

even more so if youre using WPS

[tribal spear]

yeah my shiv using is pretty bad

[stiff thicket]

Sim yourself i personnaly sim higher with maim

Because of doomblade i guess

[pallid pewter]

yeah this is a good point, i run necro so i can run both for now

[tribal spear]

was does "maim" mean?

[pallid pewter]

its the conduit that increases your mutilate dmg by x% if you ahve garrote on the target

[stiff thicket]

yeah

[pallid pewter]

since doomblade is 45% of mut dmg ovetime maim indirectly increases the leggo also

[tribal spear]

ah i understand.

so you would go for maim instead of the well playced steel conduit?

[split furnace]

Correct me if im wrong with the op as ventyr: mutilate-snd-garrotte-mutilate till 6 combo- vendetta-flag-rupture-mutilate till 5 combo-shiv-vanish-envenom-mutilate-envenom

[pallid pewter]

in your case probably but you can/should sim to be sure

[silver fog]

How exactly does 2x edge of night work? Do their "3%*CP" to proc stack if i equip both? What about damage part?

[south belfry]

afaik damage doesnt but proc is doubled

[placid dawn]

this is wrong, you shoud mut snd mut garrote vendetta flag rupture tb vanish mut+env spam
pretty sure this is it. maybe you could vendetta after the rupture

oh, that is with MA talent aswell, but i assumed you ran it since you also open with mut

[silver fog]

And each of the weapons can proc the bonus damage at doubled proc chance?

[south belfry]

Sorry thats all i have heard about them. Haven't tested myself

You could go on ptr and check

[modern heart]

sylv daggers? double dmg and proc rate when you have 2

[tiny parrot]

with the obedience nerf doomblade is the best leggo atm?

[modern heart]

I'll still use Obedience

same as with sub and akaari

its better ST but everyone us using Finality

[south belfry]

Difference between Obedience and Doomblade is so close that i will be upgrading my obedience

And can also use it in m+

[strange python]

i upgraded doomblade r4 now and will probably get a r4 obedience on wednesday

[stiff thicket]

I'll run doomblade 😁

[frosty cedar]

obedience would be better than doomblade in like 2 target cleave right

[quaint carbon]

Anyone got the sheet with the normal weapon / sylv dagger nm hc mm/ oh sylv dagger ratio or something

Can’t find it again

[undone eagle]

Is necro still a thing for sin rogues for both pvp/pve or is it better to go venth now?

[silver fog]

its 250 dps difference at single target and 125 at dungeonslice. At endgame gear for this patch, while playing perfectly as a machine. Just play what you like

[limber lion]

They're both great for what they excel in.

Venthyr for single target, Necrolord for AoE/Cleave.

[zealous summit]

Necro is amazing for sin pvp, gives you a lot more staying power (especially if you like double dps 2's)

[gloomy rose]

yesterday I got the "aoe lifesteal on helpful effect" domination shard and it did about 1% of total damage in NW, which I feel is not that bad, what does it proc off? only feint and crimson vial?

[split furnace]

You flag with 6 combo or just the combos you have with mut garrote?

[winged basin]

afaik it’s just rotation as usual 4+ if you have Vigor, 5+ if DS

Going over that seems like a good way to starve yourself of energy

[hybrid cosmos]

hey guys, it was probably asked before, but do we know exactly how the sylv dagger stack? Is it 100% / 75% / 50% / 25%? if so they are basically 33% effectiv on sylvannas herself at best?!

[limber lion]

That's correct.

It's not really great for Sylvanas.

Other daggers at similar ilvl will probably beat the dagger on Sylvanas.

[edgy ginkgo]

Hey guys, How good is the Trinket from tazavesh endboss on hardmode? Got it yesterday, but had no time to sim ist yet 🙂

[grizzled trail]

No time to sim but plenty of time to ask here

[south drum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

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[sick marsh]

Hello here, sorry to disturb but I'm still wondering and struggling about optimizing my assa rogue. I'm playing in a guild where there's an other assa rogue with a slightly lower gear than mine: I've 2 ilvl above him (still he has 23 agi on me ...), he has 226MH while I've 233MH, I've a better uptime on envenom aura and EP aura, we have the same talents, the same covenants, soulbinds and conduits. I also have AP on my weapons while he has oils, which should result in higher damages on abilites imo. But on every fight, we tie in dps or he's slightly ahead, because his envenom dps is way better than mine, and I don't understand why. Here's an exemple on The Nine heroic, where I'm first dps but his envenom kills me. Could you help me to figure out why I'm behind on envenoms ? : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pRwnYavbFKrAWB7f#fight=52&type=damage-done

[south belfry]

Crit rng i guess

[sick marsh]

I considered that but I've more crit, and still, it happens every fight ! I don't believe he's THIS lucky (or me THIS unlucky)

[odd hazel]

his evenom is hitting for more then yours

on average

his is 7.3k and yours is 6.3k

he also has 39% crit on evenom

[misty hemlock]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[placid dawn]

maybe he has more mastery gear

[odd hazel]

he does

209 to his 190

[sick marsh]

Ye ye I also noticed that, but it happens on every fight, also Sylvanas here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pRwnYavbFKrAWB7f#fight=38&type=damage-done

If this is because of the mastery, then ok, that might be a reason.

[south belfry]

I think its the rng crits

[limber lion]

Why does it matter?

Why does your envenom damage matter?

I can tell you that both of you are wasting a lot of combo points.

[placid dawn]

he also has more versa so his abilities do more damage

[limber lion]

You need to start finishing at max-1 instead of max.

[sick marsh]

I think it is important for me to understand if my build is considered envenom-weak and I compensate with other damage source, or if I'm missing something.

[odd hazel]

i mean

you're literally both using the same build

what cev said though

listen to him

[subtle kiln]

they got 9 more overall casts on you.

[grizzled trail]

Cev a smart boi

[sick marsh]

I'll be more careful about it

[south belfry]

How do you see their combo points

[raven vapor]

resources > combo points

[south drum]

Your using phantomfire pots as well, have sims showed you thoes to be better than agi pots

[placid dawn]

Guys, now that we are looking at logs, could someone look at mines from a guardian heroic kill? I parse grey and I don't know what I did so wrong. thank you
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hqwzyZjHkaNTFcAR#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=1

[solid venture]

pots barely matter

[sick marsh]

Ye I used that potion just because I forgot to use it earlier. but ye, it doesn't explain all that difference.

Anyway thank you all for your time !!

[odd hazel]

agi pots are just more consistant

[limpid plinth]

@limber lion Do i use all sbs charges on openers gemstone window

[limber lion]

Yes

First sbs as the first gcd

[limpid plinth]

How about if i have pi

Feels like im energy capped alot

[limber lion]

why would that change anything?

Ah right

well

we use SBS during Gemstone windows for the high damage and cheap combo points

I wouldn't change rotation whatsoever with or without PI

[misty hemlock]

Sbs?

[sick marsh]

I think thats the necrolord ability

[misty hemlock]

Ah

[limpid plinth]

Yep but for opener with lust and pi i was wondering if its better use of all that energy to use mutilates. Still did use sbs tho

[limber lion]

Yeah well it's almost inevitable to not cap energy with lust/PI

even if you did use Mutilate

[raven vapor]

one thing i can see is you're using envenom from MA vanish

[grizzled trail]

Wish you guys didn’t say how to check it you’re wasting combo points lol

[limpid plinth]

True

[woeful glade]

What stats are you guys doing for obedience

if ur gonna play a bit of sub for st

[azure bronze]

Crit /vers

[placid dawn]

I though it didn't really matter if we use 2x env or 2x mut during MA window. Would this make a big difference?

don't think it would be significant

[mint narwhal]

guys , should i use shadowcore oil or Sharpening stone? im confused . both guide says different things

[fair void]

best stats for obedience lego? i want to use it for both sin and sub

[south belfry]

crit vers

imo

[misty hemlock]

Same

[sand mauve]

Any Haste Cap or should i stay Haste > Crit until the end?

[placid dawn]

run sims to see what gear is best

[vestal wren]

no haste cap

[odd hazel]

Haste caps haven’t been a thing in a while

[violet hemlock]

isn't 100% technically a softcap

as it stops effecting gcd

[odd hazel]

No with DR

I think the first “soft cap” is like 25? 30?

[plain thistle]

our gcd is 1s

doesnt matter our haste %

[plain thistle]

30% is the first DR (10% DR)

[violet hemlock]

ooh I never knew that

that rogues have a standardised gcd

[warm parcel]

all energy users have

[north basin]

Whats up with this crazy 233 trinket sack of something? 7-9% overall dps?? It is what legendary lewl?

[limber lion]

Yep it's pretty nutty

[lethal zodiac]

what trinket is it?

[limber lion]

Tazzavesh hardmode trinket

Ticking Sack of Terror

[north basin]

Is it hard to get it?

Didnt try yet this new mega dung

[limber lion]

I mean

you get it

or you don't

[forest swallow]

its just a drop off a boss

the neck from there is nice and its guranteed if you do hardmode

[shell belfry]

is doomblade the best raid legendary ?

[limber lion]

Sure

[forest swallow]

yes craft on cloak

[grave palm]

heres the question though... Doomblade... or Obedience? 🤔

[north basin]

I mean hardmode puggable?

[forest swallow]

hardmode might be rough with pugs

[limber lion]

Eh sure is if you find a good group that doesn't give up too quickly.

[spice spire]

Both good, very close in ST. Obedience much better in m+ though.

[gusty mirage]

Hard mode is 110% rough with pugs

[forest swallow]

Obedience is good on some fights where you cant have 100 percent uptime on boss with doomblade but overall doomblade best for raid

[north basin]

Its repeatable? I mean u dont get save with bad pug?

[gusty mirage]

It’s like any other mythic 0

[limber lion]

@gusty mirage

[grave palm]

what's our best M+ lego? 😮

[gusty mirage]

You can do it a million times, can’t get loot from bosses you already killed

[limber lion]

Zoldyck

[forest swallow]

Yea i did it it with 3 guildies and a pug and we got him in discord with us. Last boss kinda rough gotta have a good healer

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

Assassination is very meh for m+ though

when compared to the other 2 specs.

[gusty mirage]

I’m still chugging away

[forest swallow]

yea just go outlaw if your necro for m+ if you have the gear

assa raid outlaw m+ necro is what I do

[north basin]

I did 15 key tirna ended up 7.1k deeps in assa, in sub i could get 8-9k dps ? In theory?

[gusty mirage]

depends on you and the group you’re in

[grave palm]

Oh, so Necro is our best? o.O

[shell belfry]

doomblade on back, shoulders or hands ?

[grave palm]

Back.

[gusty mirage]

Back

[stiff thicket]

back

[shell belfry]

ty

[north basin]

I mean same group and pulls

[plain thistle]

probably more since I usually do 8.4-8.5 as assa in mists

9k+ more I would guess

as sub/outlaw

[gusty mirage]

Necro is best if you plan on dual speccing with outlaw

[north basin]

Gonna try

[plain thistle]

but dungeon dps doesnt depend just on you

[north basin]

Ye all this i know

[gusty mirage]

I swear y’all are some gamers, biggest I’ve managed in mists is 7.6k overall

[north basin]

I mean in pure theory sub just better? Thats what community expirience right?

In m+

[gusty mirage]

Depends on what you define as better. More damage? Then yes. Sub is better

[north basin]

Ye. Not talking about some transmog

))

Just deeps

[gusty mirage]

There’s more to a dungeon than damage but ok

[north basin]

In my area just dps

Iam not doing 20 keys

Where other things matter aswell

15-17 keys

[sand sundial]

why on back guys?

[forest swallow]

sub good if tank pulls big

[quartz crow]

!deathly

[gusty mirage]

Domination sockets

[sand sundial]

oh kk true

[forest swallow]

dont craft any leg on feet hands head shoulder chest

they are leather dom sockets

[sand sundial]

when should i play elaborate planning or Blindside? or Vigor / Deeper stratagem? for ST

[mystic fractal]

Seems like necro is a good pick if you like pvp and also plan to M+, do i have that right? I got venthyr to 45 to get flying asap for alts, coming back for 9.1.

[plain thistle]

unless you plan to play sub I would say yes

[odd heath]

Necro is really good

Went back after obedience nerf

[fallen arch]

Sub’s damage is outrageous

I don’t like it

My group is gonna ask me to play it

[sick cairn]

Same here

[crystal blaze]

So, are you guys planning to farm totem for progress or fuck this

[sick cairn]

U talking about DOS totem?

[lethal magnet]

rather farm phial

[forest swallow]

I would play sub but i dont wanna go back venthyr

i like SBS alot

[tulip mist]

am i already done with trinkets this season? phial/sack/totem all dropped for me this weekend

might just be a dream

[remote spade]

hey guys, i would like to swap to venthyr ( i'm necro atm ) does it take time to catch up renowm? there is a weekly cap? Thank you

[sick cairn]

It’s really fast

[crystal blaze]

yep i'm talking about shadwograsp totem from DoS

[sick cairn]

The only way to get the last renown is last quest from naw campaign

I’ve tested it on my mage

All the other renown is so easy to get except the last one

Catchup is really good this patch

U can reach renown 41 in one afternoon

[remote spade]

Ok thanks, so i'll not be able to catch 46 for the next week and craft obe

[sick cairn]

You will

[tardy knoll]

Ofc you can

Easy I might add

[sick cairn]

Super easy

[sand sundial]

why is the totem so good guys?

dnt get it

[tardy knoll]

World boss alone give you 3 per boss

If you did do campaign it's another 2 per campaign

[sick cairn]

A very sure fire order to get a lot of renown

[gusty mirage]

It’s affected by haste. It does a lot of damage

[sick cairn]

Is do ur covenant campaign until chapter 4

Do all LFR

[sand sundial]

oh