assassination

[wispy thunder]

top right

[white tide]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=187216/soultwining-crescent random drop

[thick sail]

Oh I see

Tyty

[strange python]

Mythic KT trinket is simming roughly equal to 252 shadowgrasp

[sturdy bone]

True true

[slow marsh]

Yeah I resimmed kt trink it's not good

[woeful glade]

What do you guys do torghast as

[slow marsh]

In the sin channel O.o

[sturdy bone]

Nothing

[upbeat needle]

ty

[woeful glade]

Living that leggo-less life? 😛

[strange python]

Doomblade not exactly pure ST, cleave it's okay

[slow marsh]

2 target sure

[strong mauve]

but stressful, all the clicking

[strange python]

@balmy condor how many stacks is the sim assuming that you get on flag with obe?

[slow marsh]

It's not bad but I'd rather just craft one leggo for raid + keys and deal with the -37 dps loss

[balmy condor]

However many it gets

[strange python]

Is it not assuming 30? With my gear I usually get 21-24

[balmy condor]

Why would I assume 30

If it can’t hit 30

[strange python]

Idk, maybe that changes with gear? Sims not always tracking to realistic outcomes, not sure if it was accounted for or not

[balmy condor]

It gains stacks per cp spent

If you can’t spend 30 cp that fast

Then it doesn’t gain 30 stacks that fast

[strange python]

I know. Is there a way to tell how many the sim is spitting out in the pins?

[balmy condor]

Yes

You’d have to dig into the html

[strange python]

You could presumably spend more cp with higher crit and haste, so I'm curious

[balmy condor]

And check the buffs

[velvet escarp]

i think you're not quite understanding how the sims work. there isn't some value called Flag Stacks where u input '30'. Sims are a compilation of many iterations, so in each iteration the sim actually performs the rotation, so the number of stacks can vary in each iteration because RNG

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

The sample iteration on that top nadjia

Is 27-22-22-22-28

So an average of 24

[strange python]

Got it. I <3 you

[strange python]

No. I'm aware. But the sim is run with better gear, and I was curious if it was having an impact on gettable stacks, which would in turn impact the value of the legendary on reset.

[velvet escarp]

there's no "assuming" any flagellation stacks value. but anyway I think you get it now, whispyr gave the example too

[strange python]

??? The sim literally gets a set of stacks. I think you're nitpicking over a word and misunderstanding what I'm saying.

[green peak]

There is no assume in assassination

Only two asses

[wispy thunder]

big sean plays sin rogue

its a fact

[balmy condor]

[tired cape]

What do ya'll run in ToP still zoldyck full M+ build or does anyone go with a more ST focused?

[shadow tusk]

U dont lose much st dmg from going m+ build so i’d stick with that

[rocky pecan]

you uguys will stick with ob ?

[shadow tusk]

Nop

Wont even craft it now

[north basin]

btw can i recraft cloak tier4 from shoulders just by puting white cloak + ash into the forge?

[wide hawk]

and missives 😉

[north basin]

it will change em?

[wide hawk]

hmm? :>

you just create a second legendary

[north basin]

so its legit way to reroll stats?xD

[wide hawk]

well

they're different legendaries

making a new legendary from scratch basically

[north basin]

and cloak to cloak? XD just to change submisives

?

[wide hawk]

can't do that

[north basin]

so in order to change stats for cloak i need to craft cloak to random slot and then recraft to cloak ?XD

[wide hawk]

random slot?

[north basin]

well. other slot

[wide hawk]

well no

you can create multiple cloaks with different stats if you really want

if you want a doomblade cloak with haste/vers and a doomblade cloak with haste/crit...you can create 2 legendaries, if you really want to go down that route

[manic pebble]

why not just create it with the bis stats

[wide hawk]

you just can't change the stats on an already created legendary, but nothing (except soul ash) stops you from making multiple of the same legendaries

[toxic root]

cus u may want to do mujltiple content

like pvp and pve

bis stats change

[wide hawk]

yeah, especially for legendaries that aren't spec bound

[toxic root]

well tbh doesnt make that much of a difference

ist more like placebo

except if u are wf enjoyer

[fathom flax]

Hey so with Valor it’s sick because we just need any ilvl of phial / shadow grasp and upgrade as we go

Right?

I missed 6 months of content

[burnt prism]

what talents should i be picking in pve raids?

[fathom flax]

Check the pins.

[burnt prism]

ty

[thorn sierra]

how is assas feeling in keys over outlaw?

[wide hawk]

biggest reason for me to consider going outlaw in keys is when there are affixes with 'puddles' on the ground, the extra range you get as outlaw makes things enjoyable.

but I usually don't bother changing, I like playing assa even in keys

[frosty bridge]

It's not far off (or off at all) in terms of damage, just clunkier to play imo, acrobatic strikes just adds that safety which feels great as melee.

Play the spec you are more comfortable with, but generally Outlaw is a "safer" bet in terms of meta

Having Vendetta for lietuenants is great, you solo carry those, similarly to pride

[fathom flax]

Does shadowmeld reproc MA lego/talent?

[gentle badge]

Poisoned knife is like not good right?

[fathom flax]

You only use PK if you’re out of range and going to cap energy

If you just need to run off for a few seconds let your energy pool

[native belfry]

No, it’s not invis

[frosty bridge]

Pretty sure you can Meld-Stealth?

[gentle badge]

okay good to know

you can meld-stealth

[tepid ridge]

only in dungeons

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, in dungeons

[strange python]

That's only to 248 (or 246? I forget) ilvl, which would put shadowgrasp below KT mythic trinket based on my sim page at least

But yes, phial is always gonna be your go to.

[fathom flax]

246

I still have my 226 which will last a lil bit

[gentle badge]

Whats Internal Bleeding?

is it a passive? cant find it in assa book

[rich yew]

Talent

Makes your kidney apply a bleed

[gentle badge]

ah right

ty

[rich yew]

😄

[echo ruin]

if i swap to venthyr can i get 48 next week?

[daring wadi]

yes

[ruby scroll]

pretty sure u can i swiched ventyr last id and had no quests lefft and maxed out renown in 1 day

[vast forum]

renown catch-up is super fast

[gentle badge]

oh wait shiv is important for assa :o

[vast forum]

it's a dps cd 🙂

[gentle badge]

good thing i didnt try to raid with this yet lol

got a second dagger so i thought to try it in torghast

oh my thats a good CD lol

[ruby scroll]

jeah even better if u pick the conduid

[gentle badge]

i have it on im so dumb lmao

[mossy python]

Do you have to use Vendetta on CD or wait to use it with flag+vanish+shiv ?

[wispy surge]

Would you guys generally rate sin or subtelty higher in m+?

[mossy python]

I stay assa when i play m+ I just play sub on pvp

[sturdy bone]

Or just play outlul as venth. It works too

Sub is a trap, have been since uldir

[placid cobalt]

guys i was running some sims on current gear i got, and it turns out that for me necro sims 80 dps ahead of venthyr in ST, while using doomblades. anyone else has similar results?

[scarlet sequoia]

no its just you

[azure bronze]

Did you pick the lashings conduit for venthyr?

[placid cobalt]

yy i picked it, and i got both 226

[sand dirge]

how many hours of normal sanctum did some of you do to clear it?

[placid cobalt]

only thing i didnt sim obedience but doomblade instead

[granite bramble]

Do that pls

[azure bronze]

Weird, my Necro sims like 100+ dps behind venthyr

[azure bronze]

It took my guild 2 and a half hours to get to sylvanas and then she took like 50 mins cause of how long the pulls are

So 3-4 hours

[dark crag]

Like 2 and a half maybe

[placid cobalt]

its a standard 5 min patchwerk and it makes me use maim and mangle and WPS on heirmir gemstone

[dark crag]

The hardest part of normal was fatescribe

You need to know the clock

[placid cobalt]

maybe im doing something wrong, this is the sim result perhaps someone more savy can figure it out
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvz2ciw9BNHGJtxgq4thch

[vast forum]

#1 you didn't sim dauntless

and iirc, lethal poisons > maim, mangle

[placid cobalt]

i didn't because within venthyr thats my best combination tho

maim sims 30 more for me on triple potency rather than dauntless, because of doomblades i believe

[mossy python]

Do you think one day exsanguinate will be ok ? I loved that talent before 😢

[plush garnet]

If we ever have a period of supa high haste

Like BFA corruption lolol

[vast forum]

i sincerely doubt it will happen this expansion

[thorn sierra]

am i trolling if i dont go venthyr for raiding as assasin

i like doing mythic plus as outlaw

[plush garnet]

LOL no you aren't trolling

[drowsy parcel]

i went venthyr

[sturdy bone]

Me too

[drowsy parcel]

was missing sbs real bad on the first raid night

last nights nerf made me go back

[sturdy bone]

Ye I’m prob going back to

[molten galleon]

sbs?

[drowsy parcel]

[molten galleon]

test SUB in M+ its actually pretty fun and impresivly good

[sturdy bone]

Also fleshcraft is better than door of shadows >

[mossy python]

with which leg ?

[molten galleon]

Finalty

[sturdy bone]

And the ST dmg ?

[molten galleon]

I mean you loose some ST dmg by going for concentration and shuriken tornado but with SD/SB/SoD you still got good ST

just cooldown timing

[sturdy bone]

Tried to play sub yesterday and it felt super weird, also dogshit on it.

[molten galleon]

I did like 5 M+ and got same DPS numbers as me as outlaw, and I am still shit too with Sub in M+

so there is much space to improve ^^

It is especially good with a premade gruop doing some bigger pulls,

if you can avoid those 2 - 3/4 target fights ist actaully disgustingly dmgwise

[rocky rain]

Should I be trying to envenom again before elaborate planning falls off? Or ignore it and pool to full?

[sturdy bone]

Outside shive window?

[rocky rain]

yeah

well both i guess

[sturdy bone]

I pool before shive at least and then dump and pump inside

[fallen arch]

With those ur better off as sin

[sturdy bone]

Ye, we often play with the uncapped bastards…

[fallen arch]

I think sub is a little too good in m+

And the obedience nerf won’t be the only nerf they get

But we’ll see

[sturdy bone]

Can still play assa then or outlaw

[fallen arch]

Prob the damage of black powder will be lowered or something

[molten galleon]

the gruop aoe dmg is strong true ^^

[vestal wren]

why

[sturdy bone]

Blizz like to nerf all the fun

[fallen arch]

Because it’s too good?

Sub isn’t supposed to have fun

[vestal wren]

how?

[fallen arch]

But probably I’ll be wrong

[vast forum]

too good

[vestal wren]

it does not strike me as something that could see a nerf

[fallen arch]

What does in your opinion?

[vast forum]

imagine saying sub's aoe is too good in the current version of the game

[wispy thunder]

hopefully they just leave it at the obe nerf

[vestal wren]

druid legendary thats 22% dps increase

looks very sus

[wispy thunder]

ive played rogue since cata, seems like blizzard has it out for us

[plush garnet]

Even if they nerf it a little bit, its going to still be good, it would have to be a pretty big nerf

to move it from its spot rn

[rancid warren]

Im looking at wcl allstars rn and found out a lot of rogues preferred elab+vigor over blindside+DS... im curious why people choose the former though it lacks on ST sim

[fallen arch]

Because it plays more smoothly

[wispy thunder]

EP and vigor feels more smooth

[fallen arch]

And it’s close dps wise

And I think it’s better as soon as some form of adds come into play

[rancid warren]

Oh right

Never thought of adds thx

[cloud bramble]

for raids?

[rancid warren]

Yep

[teal bloom]

for necrolords it's really close

[solid venture]

elab / vigor just sims higher for me than deeper / bs

[bleak sun]

9 nw /6pf still no weapon 😩

[timid talon]

or they sim within like 10 dps, so taking the less RNG option is usually better in real world logs

[solid venture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kG3HFdpkfAKaAjzsGX28Vp the difference is slightly more than 10 dps for me :p

[timid talon]

still only 27 dps

really though the difference wont be super noticeable on meters either way, but a lot of people prefer vigor because its smoother

sims are only half the story when it comes to prog anyway, which is why you don't see very many sub rogues despite them simming much higher

[light marten]

so with the nerf to the new leggo is it still worth making?

[civic trellis]

Subs arent simming higher rn @timid talon

They need obedience and sylv daggers

[light marten]

for obediance

[civic trellis]

Obedience is enough tho

[civic trellis]

Can be because the downtime?

With vigor you can pool more energy

Idk

Refill*

[digital zodiac]

What are we saying then peeps? you still going obedience for both ST+AOE on cloak??

[fallow glacier]

If you want to

Doomblade sims better st

[digital zodiac]

Well atm i have Doiom on shoulders tho

[fallow glacier]

I’m going to be making and upgrading obedience first as I also plan on playing sub

[mossy python]

It is worth to craft it on back now ? or better to wait ?

[winter path]

Will obedience still be worth to take over doomblade with the inc nerfs?

[pallid spear]

I wouldnt recraft doomblade and just wait for obedience next week(if venthyr obv) pretty sure u'll want to play sin and sub at some bosses and since u can only upgrade 1 legendary up to rank 5 and then 6, it should be the better overall choice

[vestal wren]

its optional now

[winter path]

Tyty

[pallid spear]

doomblade potentially loses value on some bosses on which u use a lot of FoK and/or have downtimes

[raven locust]

Obedience gives you better timings too, especially for fights like KT

[azure bronze]

and painsmith and sylvanas

now painsmith goes to intermission exactly when my flag comes off cd

[mossy python]

Obedience is still good the nerf from 1% to 0,5 % ?

[pallid spear]

Y e s

[iron orchid]

You can check the pins for more info

[mossy python]

Thx

[hollow talon]

Obedience 30 DPS lower on Sims it's unplayable for me

[raven locust]

Should rename the Discord to Check the Pins

[rocky pecan]

if it was 29 i would take obe

[hollow talon]

Same

[teal bloom]

Too many options, not sure what to craft next week

[mossy python]

Sry didnt see the tag nerf include

[raven locust]

If you plan to play Sub on even one boss Obedience is the best choice

It's not just you Mena, lotta people ask questions that are in pins ❤️

Was just a lil joke nothing against you

[pallid spear]

Now that I played all bosses im pretty sure obedience is the best choice overall even as sin only

[raven locust]

It fixes timings so nicely too

[teal bloom]

I've never played sub so I doubt I'll play it on progress but obedience is good for M+ too hmm..

[pseudo nimbus]

If I am necro and I would like to play sub on some of the bosses is Necro with finality viable at least a little bit? Or is it just straight bad and I shouldnt even bother trying it out? (casual guild member)

[raven locust]

Have you done most of the bosses so far @teal bloom

?

[teal bloom]

No, it will take probably atleast a few weeks till we get aotc

[raven locust]

A lot of the important bosses have timers and phases that Obedience almost entirely fixes

[pallid spear]

It's okayish but its not amazing

[raven locust]

Do you Necro players use mouse over for SBS?

[rocky pecan]

we win how many cd with obe ?

[hollow talon]

Theres a good mouseover macro for it I think in the outlaw pins

For sbs

[frosty bridge]

Yeah

[strange python]

I just shift + mouse wheel up for SBS

[rocky pecan]

it put flag to 1min 1min10 right ?

[pallid spear]

Yes

[rocky pecan]

k will see if no change on monday before MM goes out on obe again then

[pallid spear]

lets just spam the forum and compare it to boomer legendary, im 100% certain theyll nerf boomer and revert obedience

[long furnace]

what was the obidience nerf? cant find it-

[pallid spear]

1%vers to 0,5% vers

[long furnace]

thanks

so is it the end for vent rogue?

[vast forum]

no

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-is-near-simpsons-warning-gif-5187386

[languid frigate]

Looks like Obedience is still BiS all round legendary? Only 30dps less on ST but ahead on Dungeon Slice.

[azure bronze]

yup and bis for sub still as well if you enjoy playing that

[long furnace]

ye sub is cool

but sub likes to get nerfed

[shut garnet]

if ur planning to play assa in m+ sure xd

[terse ice]

i think sin is quite goodl on m+ it isnt just a meme

[long furnace]

i want to play necro outlaw and vent sub

such a shity design

[oak sapphire]

I just have 2 60 rogues 🤷‍♂️

[shut garnet]

sure, u can play what u like, just seems a bit weird since if ur staying venthyr u wanna play sin/sub and out of the 2 im preeetty sure sub is super good in m+ (or looks it sorta)

and so if you wanna “raid sin m+ sub” obedience isnt the best anymore in either case

i guess its good if u wanna raid sub m+ sin tho

[south belfry]

In m+ as venthyr, do i just put flag on any target and start blasting

Well preferrably to the prio target

[shut garnet]

correct

[south belfry]

But i guess thats just the usage?

[limber lion]

Yes. You just slam it on a target just before a finisher and that's it

Then you continue applying bleeds and whatnot

[long furnace]

I am salty sbs is like the cooles ability in m+ ;/

[shut garnet]

m8 post obedience nerf necro and venthyr are back to being within like 50-60 of each other

[echo geyser]

When u multi dot other targets does the flag keep lashing the initial flag target?

[shut garnet]

not too late to swap

[echo geyser]

I know u still build stacks

[shut garnet]

i think the stacks are built by lashing right? so im pretty sure thats how it works

[limber lion]

No, Lashing only gives you stacks on the initial hit.

[limber lion]

Yes.

You dump it on a target and all CP usage during it will dump it into Flag.

Even if you only used SnD and nothing else

[sonic schooner]

Snd spammer

[rustic whale]

@limber lion are you still Necrolord bro?

[strange python]

Necro ftw!

[rustic whale]

yeah i m still necro too

[strange python]

not gonna lie, I took Necro because I love the transmog 😄

[fiery mauve]

Doubt

[rustic whale]

since i was sensing that nerf to obedience and doomblade will go to lego i stood with necros

also sbs is pretty good on world content

and more tankier rogue

[fiery mauve]

Yeah if you’re assass sbs feels ok to use

Feels poopy to use as subt

I like sbs though

[rustic whale]

i m playing sub as m+ and still good in my point

just could not test enough for this week waiting fortified

[rocky pecan]

what anima power youu take as sin mm+?

[sonic schooner]

https://fr.wowhead.com/guides/subtlety-rogue-basic-mythic-plus-keystone-dungeons

it s the same for all specs

[rocky pecan]

oh thx

[sonic schooner]

dont thx me, thx google for being a thing

very powerfull

[rustic whale]

if you find necrotic wound early just grab it on tyra weeks very useful

[sonic schooner]

[rocky pecan]

i already take this one kek

y the necrotic one is cool

[spice spire]

Necrotic always drops from the same lieutenant afaik so it’s just finding the sword guy in the dungeon

I know for PF, we cleared ickus area, then go up the stairs because he’s right there then come back down for extra damage on boss

[steady owl]

does slice and dice affect your fok dmg?

[silent breach]

slice ups you attack speed, it's not haste

[limber lion]

No.

[limber lion]

Going back to Necro soon.

[silent breach]

im thinking hard if going necro is the play, i dont see sub being good for M progression

[runic basin]

Why sins swapping to necro? Sims say vent is still best ?

[silent breach]

i like the necro playstyle more, and can play outlaw if needed

and necro is just better for cleave by far and vent is just slightly better on ST

[spice spire]

At a 7% difference, it was hard to ignore that venthyr was bis, but at 2%, you really start to miss the homies, ya feel?

[silent breach]

Feel

[runic basin]

I guess i will stay vent an play sub..idk shit blizzard

[silent breach]

Narkolord ftw

[vestal wren]

venth still offers a different damage distribution

both necro and venth seem strong

[spice spire]

Fuu

[silent breach]

thing is i just don't wanna get cucked again if i go back to necro and the Obidiance is OP when ppl start playing it

[vestal wren]

!fuu i think i updated my sheet for sin now, need to do sub/outlaw still

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

mainly rerunning stuff with the (updated) tier profile, overall nothing changes much

[fiery mauve]

Obedience is cool cause damg cd or something blah blah

I like it

~1 min cd flag

[rustic whale]

actually i m able to kill 3 heroic bosses and %40 on 2nd try 4th boss ( we raid 3 hours and 2 days in a week )

[vestal wren]

its mainly about the cooldown, flag + obi offer quite strong burst

[rustic whale]

i must say Nine fight perfect fit for Necro sin

[limber lion]

I wouldn't call it perfect tbh

[vestal wren]

the good thing is obedience is now optional what means you don't need to craft it if you don't want to play sub
or if you don't want to play it

[spice spire]

Perfect would be two bosses the whole fight or most of it

P1 kinda quick tbh

[limber lion]

Huntsman is perfect

SLG is perfect

[odd heath]

Huntsman so smooth to play

[spice spire]

Unsure about SLG. But huntsman

[runic basin]

When sub sims

[spice spire]

Legit unsure, not “I disagree” btw 😛

[limber lion]

That's fine even if you do xd

[vestal wren]

will over time update the sheet today but sub is pmuch unchanched outside of aoe

[steady owl]

do you use flag on cd or wait 30 sec to pair it with vendetta?

[rustic whale]

actually it suppose to be 2 flag 1 vendetta?

[limber lion]

Always on CD

[rustic whale]

can anyone confirms daggers from banshee stacks both chance wise and damage wise?

[odd hazel]

Good morning everyone

[rustic whale]

mornin

[odd hazel]

Last I heard they stack

[steady owl]

thanks, ive been a big dumb dumb then. New to venthyr

[limber lion]

Live and learn :P

[steady owl]

all those missed flaggelations man....

[vast forum]

unless you're not losing casts 🙂

[spice spire]

Damage wise, yes. Procs? No

[odd hazel]

You shouldn’t ever lose a cast

[vast forum]

exactly my point

[frail fossil]

what he meant is, you can hold flag for vendetta if you know u wont have another one

[vast forum]

you use on CD unless you don't lose a cast by delaying

[rustic whale]

sorry i meant for combo point usage proc

[vast forum]

i.e. 2.30-3 min fights

[odd hazel]

Don’t make us jealous with your 2 minute fights lol

[vast forum]

it's not always about short fights

[upper wasp]

Hi! im 206 itlvl and night fae, do you recommend changing covenant or keeping the one I have? im at renown 45

[frail fossil]

i mean if ur just in a situation, where flag is off cd, vend coming in 20/30sec and u know boss will die withing 1 minute

[vast forum]

in a 4 min fight you can delay 2nd flag for vendetta

[frail fossil]

then u hold flag

[vast forum]

pop at 0, 2 min and 3.30

[odd hazel]

Yes

[limber lion]

I would recommend swapping to either Venthyr or Necro. But that's a choice for you to make.

[rustic whale]

i would go for NF if their lego would work like jack of all trades 😄

[plain thistle]

at least I can go back to my lovely sbs without feeling guilty

[rustic whale]

by the way one time covenant swap is available if you did not use it

[echo geyser]

any clue if u can tell if u still have it?

i swapped before the patch and finished first quest

and then still did the 2nd quest after reset

without "free swap"

[rustic whale]

why don't you go try? i indeed made my free swap

[echo geyser]

how can i tell if it works tho

[spice spire]

A king

[echo geyser]

dont wanna swap by mistake if it does it insta

[rustic whale]

you will be questioned like 3 times

[drowsy parcel]

[rustic whale]

not like you must prove something

[echo geyser]

i see

[rustic whale]

just try to talk with npc

[drowsy parcel]

i swapped venthyr monday, swapped back today and didnt have the free skip

so hotfix thing went live before monday

[spice spire]

Yeah I was going to say it was Saturday/Sunday

Because I accidentally freely joined venthyr

So now I’m coming back but slowly

[plain thistle]

but I spended like 20k anima on venthyr a couple days ago, why

[rustic whale]

animas would not be a problem

[plain thistle]

I just wanted a teleport to oribos blizzard

[rustic whale]

there are tons in korthia

[spice spire]

It’s worth jhon I got to use it on the swap back to venthyr

I’m going to miss it again

[plain thistle]

yeah, we have like 10.000 teleporters right now, who cares about one to oribos

[odd heath]

Engineering wormhole to oribos

[cloud bramble]

nothing is better than, sticking with my 1st convent and never worry about catching up renown and having all this fun stuff unlocked 😝

[spice spire]

This will be time #6 or 7

[limber lion]

I've been Venthyr 3 times now.

Nf - Venth - Necro - Venth - Necro - Venth

[azure bronze]

and soon back to necro ?

[limber lion]

Probably

[azure bronze]

Think I am going to wait a bit to see how mythic will turn out

To swap back to necro

[spice spire]

Same coming back to NL though

[steady owl]

if i put flag on one mob and swap to another target does flag still do dmg to it when i use cps with attacks to the other target?

[vestal wren]

[steady owl]

or do i need to have it targeted the whole time?

[vestal wren]

just need to finish its what target

[spice spire]

Venth - NF - venth - NL - venth - NL soon

[vestal wren]

nf-venth for me

only one swap so far

[azure bronze]

I was Kyrian>Necro>Venth>Necro>Venth kek

[spice spire]

NF for all of 9.0 tho

[vestal wren]

nf was bis in 9.0

well kyrian early but after that

[odd heath]

Nf - venth - necro - venth

Thinking on going necro once more

[runic basin]

[vestal wren]

if you don't plan to play sub you can go necro

[spice spire]

I was including 9.0.5 😛

[odd heath]

Soulshape bis

Miss it tbh

[spice spire]

Soulshape I do miss

Rest of it was eh 😛

[odd heath]

Sepsis really meh

[dim temple]

me2 . am thinking going back as well after the nerf

[strange python]

does anyone have a weakaura for tracking dots on the enemy target ? (like infexious has for example)

[odd hazel]

We dont speak that name here

[spice spire]

Plater generally helps with mine

[pseudo nimbus]

Just out of curiosity. What is wrong with that name? I've seen like one guide but it wasn't something special.

[strange python]

well i mean i'd import his weakaura but he has it behind a paywall xD

[odd hazel]

Why even give him attention

Hear he is quite awful

[strange python]

well the weakauras would be nice though

[odd hazel]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

doesn't matter if he's a bad player or not 😛

[odd hazel]

A WA behind a pay wall lmao

What a joke

[strange python]

cba getting the whole wa pack

just want to track dots 😄

[spice spire]

Spreads a bit of misinformation, bit of a mad lad fbh

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor plater will do fine

[odd heath]

Any nameplate addon can do it

Plater

[pseudo nimbus]

Then you can learn to create it Palpo. It's quite easy.

[odd heath]

Kui

[strange python]

yeah i think i'll do that

the problem i had with plater is that my castbar always moves under my action bars and i can't see it from time to time

pretty much a noob regarding addons 😄

[odd hazel]

Cast bar

As a rogue

[spice spire]

I have a cast bar, no shame here

[strange python]

for mounting? applying poisons ? channeling mechanics ?

[spice spire]

Also little fun fact, not 100% on it but I think ravenholdt has a link to his pastebin with his info

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/rogue-weakauras/

[azure bronze]

infexoius is such a weird dude. Before sylvanas came out this week he was talking how necro + zoldyck would be so good on the fight cause 'big dick execute'and then it turned out the fight stopped at 50%

[odd hazel]

Why I don’t ever bother listening to anyone considered a “big WoW streamer”

[floral slate]

I'm upset that kinda spoiled the fight for me but that's actually so fucking funny

[teal bloom]

I wouldn't consider him a big streamer

[spice spire]

@ whispyr

[odd hazel]

Whispyr is different lol

He comes from here

[spice spire]

300 view Andy

Infexious did once 😛

[odd hazel]

Oof I’m sorry

[spice spire]

He apparently was a CF for a while too

[odd hazel]

Ouch

[teal bloom]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[sick cairn]

im making ilvl 230 ring, what has more prio, haste or crit?

[odd hazel]

What covenant are you

[sick cairn]

on my current set i have the same ish %

necro atm

[odd hazel]

Haste then

[sick cairn]

going venthyr next week

[odd hazel]

Crit then

[sick cairn]

so crit should be the higher stat?

[odd hazel]

If you’re going venth yes

[strange python]

if you see now, with plater if my camera angle is down, the castbar is under my action bars (you can see it if you look closely)- anyone knows how i can fix it?

[pseudo nimbus]

Are you using third party cast bar?

[strange python]

the one from plater

it's attached to my personal bar somehow - they move together

[pseudo nimbus]

Are you using the resource bar? Maybe you could disable the Plater castbar. Since you are using default UI the default castbar would be more than enough (for rogue)

[strange python]

yeah that's what i was thinking aswell, trying to figure out how i can disable the plater cast bar alone, since i'm tracking env + snd on my personal resource bar

[quasi ledge]

Probably an anchor to personal resource option in the cast bar settings? Or just remove the display and use a WA instead

[strange python]

ah nvm, i figured it out 😄 thanks

[slim siren]

hey do you guys know if we can solo mythic uldir yet?

[azure bronze]

Nope we can't

[slim siren]

rip

[azure bronze]

BFA scaling is just fucked

[slim siren]

a 3 person team could do it tho right?

[azure bronze]

nah

you need about 6-10 people

[slim siren]

really? thats insane

[azure bronze]

fetid is kind of a dps check

we tried it with 4 fully geared CN mythic chars

but couldn't beat it

[slim siren]

fuckin rip i was hoping to do it with me a dk and a druid lol

[azure bronze]

some of the Legion raids have bosses that are undoable as well

like KJ on HC/Mythic

and Aggramar can be kind of a pain on mythic

and coven of shivarra

[slim siren]

man idk they dont just give us the buff that makes them cake

[plain thistle]

KJ

[azure bronze]

KJ is literally just not doable cause the mechanics it has

[plain thistle]

fun fight, but I wouldnt like to re farm it

[azure bronze]

knockbacks kill you, not soaking the meteors on platform>gain stacks> kill you

I tried this solo and with a team of 5 people on mythic like 1 month ago

[sonic spire]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[native geode]

how fast is it to get renown?

[azure bronze]

From 1- cap?

You can probably do it in a week

world boss gives 3 renown, 9.0 campaign gives like 16 renown

Then you have emissaries/raids etc

[strange python]

@native geode you can do it in a day and a half

Less if you're lucky

[limpid plinth]

was nice 10days as venthyr but stinkyboys are my home ❤️

[odd hazel]

Gross stinky bone bois

[limpid plinth]

[azure bronze]

Inb4 they rebuff obedience

Or change deathspike xd

[odd hazel]

And they post “wanna see me do it again”

Tbh though

Glad the bone bois can continue playing

Might retry it some time down the line but I enjoy venth

[azure bronze]

I just wish they would fix the stupid 1 cp bug with SBS

it's the most triggering thing ever

[odd hazel]

That would prob push it even closer

Imagine how good we could be if we just had no bugs

[azure bronze]

but then again they can't fix deadly poison bug or the BtE one

[fiery mauve]

I just want them to buff class leggos

Silly cov leggos

[odd hazel]

^ this

I don’t want them better but along the lines of the top 3 leggos

Close or a little better or worse

Atleast be playable

looking at you nf

[azure bronze]

Like if they would fix deadly poison leggo then Dashing would be better then Doomblade I think?

[odd hazel]

I was excited to play dashing

If obedience was Garbo

[azure bronze]

I just want something else then doomblade

it's just really boring to play with

[rocky sluice]

so... Obedience or Doomblade? lol

[odd hazel]

Obedience is the overall better

But doom is slightly ahead in ST

Pins for more info

[rocky sluice]

what would you guys use in raid? I guess switching between the two depending on the boss fight?

[odd hazel]

Nah I would just use obedience

[fiery mauve]

Obedience with that burst cd

Is pog

[azure bronze]

I think obedience will be the play in this raid

[rocky sluice]

like i want to recraft my doomblade on my back now.. or just wait for Obedience to be available

[azure bronze]

Especially for some of the later bosses

[odd hazel]

Just wait honestly

[azure bronze]

You will have flag for every phylactery phase I think on KT

[rocky sluice]

okay, thanks. yeah I guess i'll wait and create Obedience

[plain thistle]

just wait, the reason we craft doomblade on back is domination socket, do you have a gloves with dom socket that is worth using?

if not, just wait

[rocky sluice]

I do :s.. from heroic raid 239 lol

[plain thistle]

then you can craft doomblade on back and use that glove

[azure bronze]

then recraft probs ye if you have enough soul ash next week to craft obedience if neccessary

[rocky sluice]

appreciate it guys, I need to chat on here more often

got into a new guild and i'm a trial.. really want to perform and be on the team

what's the max soul ash from both layers this week?

wait.. there's no cap now right?

[azure bronze]

no cap

you can unlimited farm soul ash

but you get like 900+ on the first run and around 190 on the subsequent runs

[rocky sluice]

gotcha

[river kelp]

Soo resounding is equal to doomblade in pure singletarget Riad content?

[azure bronze]

No

If you check the pins even as kyrian doomblade wins as best legendary

[river kelp]

oki doks >.>

[azure bronze]

Resounding is only good as sub if you are kyrian

on ST

Think even outlaw now wants celerity on pure ST as kyrian

[scenic jetty]

ehm is the legendary bow 100% drop rate ?

[azure bronze]

Nope

[floral slate]

How did they nerf obedience?

[fiery mauve]

20 hours of torghast

[azure bronze]

It went from 1% vers per stack of flag to 0.5% vers per stack

[scenic jetty]

killed sylvanas yday normal with 2 hunters both got it no daggers tho 😦

[azure bronze]

They must have been very very lucky

[floral slate]

Oh fuck I'm sad

[azure bronze]

it's still bis for sub in every scenario and only 50 dps behind on doomblade in pure st for assa and bis for M+

[fervent path]

Dps wise how much of a loss was the obedience nerf compared to current sims?

[azure bronze]

Around 400 dps for Asssa ST

[fervent path]

Ouch! That’s pretty rough, think I’ll just stay necro then haha

[fiery mauve]

Ya but obedience is burst

[azure bronze]

Venthyr is still like 250+ dps ahead of necro on ST

[fiery mauve]

Which is always nice to have

[azure bronze]

But have to see how mythic fights will play out

[floral slate]

Y'all might, I'm never seeing mythic sanctum lmao

[fervent path]

Hmm, does necro not benefit much from bone spiking adds in a lot of the encounters for extra CP though?

[spice spire]

Some? On first five bosses there’s like two encounters with adds tho. It seems very heavy ST

The funnel damage

[rocky sluice]

by any chance any of you know how much soul ash from both Layer 10 (first run each) this week?

total?

[delicate bone]

yea the adds on all of the early fights just dont really matter

[azure bronze]

like maybe only fight where necro gains value at the start is the nine

[delicate bone]

like yes they need to die, but if youre playing assassination thats not really your job/focus at that point

[azure bronze]

but even currently on the HC logs necro/venthyr are tied

[delicate bone]

yea maybe on the nine theres a bit of cleave to start but the nine is an ST fight pretty much

[azure bronze]

and then the last phase basically boss burn

where necro loses out cause no adds/shit to cleave with SBS

then soulrender, adds get deleted by other classes like ele sham/boomies/fury warrs etc

[delicate bone]

Nerzhul is actually super fun for funnel damage by just throwing bleeds on the orbs, insane energy to pump the boss

[delicate bone]

i had to go outlaw because people in my guild were sketch on the adds lol

[azure bronze]

We have 3 ele shams and 3 boomies, they got grouped up and melted in like 15-20 secs

[delicate bone]

oh yea lol, definitely no reason for you to even think about adds lmao

[azure bronze]

even KT if you use 1-2 rogues is probably assa/sub venthyr fight for boss damage and phylactery burn

and sylvanas as well for phase 2 burn to get her as low as possible for phase 3 and then phase 3 burn

[delicate bone]

yea i agree, theres no real significant cleave fights in this raid

[lusty surge]

man i played venthyr on my disc/spriest all last tier

im so sad that venthyr is bis for rogue

[delicate bone]

you can play necro if you want, not a crazy loss

[gusty mirage]

^

[fiery mauve]

Play Kyrian

Slam Kyrian

[delicate bone]

just dont play NF 🙂

[lusty surge]

i probably will just stay nf until we hit a wall honestly

[gusty mirage]

combo point lottery baby

[delicate bone]

oh fuck

[lusty surge]

lol

[delicate bone]

lolol

[gusty mirage]

yeah NF kinda dookie now

blizz saving me from ever going fae

[delicate bone]

the only cov i dont have at 40 is NF lol

[gusty mirage]

same lol

[delicate bone]

40+

[lusty surge]

its like 300 dps off in st sims

[gusty mirage]

well I think my kyrian is 36 or 38

[lusty surge]

big but i can wait

[ruby gust]

do you guys know if the obedience nerf will make that much of a difference?

[lusty surge]

i wonder how much dps i can make up with soulshape mobility

probably not much

[azure bronze]

The didn't touch the most important part of the legendary which is the cooldown reduction

they just nerfed the amount of vers you get

[fervent path]

Well I mean almost every fight has something targetable to bone spike though?
Eye has boss + adds to generate bonus CP
The Nine
Nerzhul has the orbs to spike
Soul render has adds
Painsmith has balls to spike
Fatescribe has adds etc

Are the bonus combo points not valued much?

[gusty mirage]

they're valued

[lusty surge]

has anyone been able to shadowstep the balls on painsmith

[gusty mirage]

venthyr's just that good

[lusty surge]

or is it 100% to collide

[fiery mauve]

You 100% die I think

[fervent path]

I’ve been told you shouldn’t haha

[azure bronze]

Don't 100% colide

[lusty surge]

yeah i wasnt able to get it to work

[fiery mauve]

More reason to be venthyr smh

[delicate bone]

can confirm lmao

[fiery mauve]

Door the ball

[lusty surge]

well being a pleb nf i can just soulshape it 😛

[toxic root]

If you are doing pvp you would have all of them at 40

🤔

[delicate bone]

just break the ball and walk through lol

[lusty surge]

yea

[fiery mauve]

Pikaboo in shambles

Can’t even get 40 on one cov

[wispy epoch]

Pain smith is worse than the seed boss in CN

[azure bronze]

Btw I heard that some mobs in the raid don't reset SBS is that true?

[delicate bone]

when you play on the tournament realm for everything

[lusty surge]

i really like the design of painsmith

[delicate bone]

live renown doesnt matter to him

[lusty surge]

just overtuned

[fiery mauve]

He just cba to do campaign

[dull cloak]

the balls are not whats hard about that boss

[grim tangle]

I've tried it multiple times when we were wiping anyways just to test, and I survived once through cheat death and died like 4 times

got hit by the ball everytime so definitely not worth trying

[manic dirge]

Can you dodge them with evasion

[azure bronze]

nope

only way to 'dodge' them are teleport abilities like blink/night fae soulshape, door of shadows

monk transcendence

[nimble tinsel]

Or just step to somebody that's already safe on the other side 🙂

[spice spire]

You can step to ardenweald?

I hate myself

[mossy python]

And can we "Tank" the Tarragrue enrage with evasion or not ?

[heady drum]

Seems like Obedience will remain bis even after the nerf right?

[soft shale]

yes you can evasion tarragrue

[mossy python]

thx

[nimble tinsel]

As a troll rogue I take offense to this joke

[gusty mirage]

yeah I had to tank for a little bit for our kill lol

[mossy python]

I wanted to test it on our try but i was not targeted

[radiant vine]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[north basin]

which spec giving highest overall dps in m+ this week? in typical puggin 15 keys?

[silk thunder]

Shadowstep gets a workout on painsmith

[toxic root]

^

[royal lantern]

just step on the balls

[spice spire]

You said remnant wrong

[reef axle]

sylvanis down on normal, no dagger 😦

[plain thistle]

same

[peak bobcat]

Same

[spice spire]

[knotty pumice]

hi, u know where can i find a good guide for assassination, i played many years sub and outlaw but never assa

[plain thistle]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[plain thistle]

there you go

[knotty pumice]

perfect

and on yt ?

[plain thistle]

wowhead and IV should be updated, not sure about RH one

[spice spire]

None really on YT

[plain thistle]

people here dont recomend youtube videos for guides

because they get outdated really really quick

[spice spire]

Begging Cev one time

[knotty pumice]

ok got it

[plain thistle]

got plaguefall trinket last night, the wrong one

he isnt bad, but its not phial

[delicate bone]

i got 229 phial

first dungeon of this patch lol

literally didnt see it at all season 1

just gonna dump valor into it next week after ksm

[thorny pond]

Nice! Gratz

Valor cap zzzzzz

[south belfry]

And ive only gotten 3 capes on my 11 dungeons :)

[ornate charm]

anyone have a good opener on IV they said start from stealth and use mutilate(make no sense)

[south belfry]

Its correct

[ornate charm]

why not using ambush instead ^

[south belfry]

more combo points

[ornate charm]

oh right

[plain thistle]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[snow arch]

I don't even bind ambush, feelsbadbutgood

[plain thistle]

[delicate bone]

BS broski

big dam

[snow arch]

yea but I don't use blindside

[delicate bone]

i mean i assumed so without having ambush bound lol

[ornate charm]

and blindside over EP ?

[delicate bone]

for ST most of the time, ye

[ornate charm]

good thx sorry for asking first time raiding as a rogue.. its waaaay different than pvp

[mortal geyser]

guys is obidience still the lego to go? it got nerfed from 1% to 0.5%

Nevermind my message, checking pinned post

[alpine latch]

[green harbor]

elaborate planning pulls ahead on sylvanas, right?

[tribal marlin]

yes

you play Vigor is you play EP

And you need to pool energy correctly

i.e. not pressing Envenom while <100 energy outside of Shiv/Vendetta

[green harbor]

damn, never heard of that one before

thank you

[south belfry]

Yeah to keep the buff up

[ornate charm]

are we using flag before or after vendetta

?

[primal dagger]

before

[trail anvil]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[arctic hare]

how's the Fine Razorwing Quill

[bronze kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[reef axle]

Bad

[arctic hare]

Okay

[somber hill]

iis this because of lack of execute?

[reef axle]

Considering there’s no execute phase as the fight ends at 50%

[waxen thunder]

The lack of execute is something that makes me wary of swapping to necro to be honest.

[delicate bone]

likely, ye

BS is so nice though for squeezing out another envenom in shiv

[somber hill]

if it procs ya

[fading vigil]

Is assassin still gonna be #1 spec for rogues after nerf? For raid

[somber hill]

prob

sub is good too, sub might be very good for fightts like kt

where there are lots of adds and also priority ST

[agile geode]

did they fix the poison bug?

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[hoary fulcrum]

Im thinking Obedience is the go to if you play sin and sub. Right? Like doomblade edges out on ST barely.

[granite thistle]

It's very close. But Obe seems to be the goto yes.

[lone wren]

doomblade is so close when it edges out, that when you factor in any fight mechanic obedience wins imo. also the value of lining it up with vendetta all the time without missing a cast will have a larger impact in reality than in sims

[bleak dune]

is there already a domination sockel sim?

[lone wren]

my only debate is that i do outlaw for m+ and assassination for raids ....now im in a tough spot to pick between venthyr and necro

[granite thistle]

Does this just mean I should Envenom at 70-100 energy? Or only hit above 100 energy?

If you play m+ and raid consistently then necro is probably the play

@lone wren for me for example. I dont like outlaw cause im bad at it. So i.push keys on my WW monk and do my weekly vault as Assassination

[scenic root]

You can play sin in m+ and be fine, you can play sub in m+ and be fine.

[nimble tinsel]

The APL already does this, so sims reflect as such

[shadow helm]

BRO

what talents on the nine

[lone wren]

when you say M+ do you mean 15-20 keys or 20+ keys?

[lone wren]

right now with my stats, i tried CT and didn't like it as much, we keep the mobs right on top of each other so PB did good damage, and the bulk of that fight is actually single target when the third boss comes down, so i opted to stay with my single target talents

[arctic hare]

Is a 207 fine razorwing quill better than a 200 anima charged winds?

[halcyon zealot]

i played EP/Vig/CT did around 6.9-7k this week , felt pretty good

[dull cloak]

I dont see why you cant do 20+ keys with any of the rogue specs

[scenic root]

I'm currently in the 15-20 range, but rogue is good in m+ for all specs

Sub has great huge aoe pulls, sin has good boss dmg and outlaw has consistent dmg. Each spec has it's benefits to m+

[north basin]

assa average dps in m+ reaching 8k?

[shadow helm]

subterfuge?

[north basin]

any talents

[shadow helm]

or stay MA

[scenic root]

Average m+ dps isn't really a thing.

[lone wren]

well at least early on assassination is miles behind imo than other classes in M+ aoe damage

[scenic root]

Pull sizes, team comp and other factors makes each run very different

[lone wren]

and when you do bring the subterfuge talent your single target while still highest in group does dip a bit.

[north basin]

ye. but talking about pugs, they do same pulls on average )

[lone wren]

so overall total damage isn't there and you dont get gouge

and when you are timing keys tanks love to chain pulls ....so rip ass lol

[alpine latch]

Man, it's sad to see that Obedience is only like 30 DPS higher than Doomblade.

[nimble tinsel]

Sin is still more than viable in huge keys

[lone wren]

i agree with that

the 12-18 range is where sin suffers

[north basin]

btw outlaws pulls more than assa in keys now?

[lone wren]

when you go above 18s mobs aren't dying to fluff aoe damage of other classes so value of sin raises considerably

[crimson crest]

what did they nerf on obidience?

[lone wren]

1% to 0.5

[crimson crest]

damn

[lone wren]

thankfully cool down reduction didn't get nerfed

yet

thats coming next week :p

[zenith berry]

Yeah so good that nerf came before everyone crafted it

[crimson crest]

idk, I think Ill just craft doomblade

[glossy wedge]

I mean you want doomblade anyways for PvP

But obedience is still probably a good craft

[obtuse robin]

still good to craft

all 3 specs use it

good in m+

[woven ruin]

Does everyone in party need hardmode for the market or just one person?

[nimble tinsel]

I believe it's everybody

But I haven't done it yet

[normal knoll]

hey bois, im currently rerolling back for my old rogue and im way undergeared, sims show me that i should play with deeper strata but with my low haste (~19%) im not feeling it, should i stick to it or play with vigor?

[gritty mist]

would NF be usefull in future patches? xd

want to change to necro, but dont want to throw all the things i did in nf

[arctic harness]

You’ll just do less damage, but go for it

[gritty mist]

to much time

[lone wren]

so question for M+ sin rogues. How do you usually use your flag in aoe pulls? i find i can't really get much value out of flag since im constantly swapping targets for rupture

but im also newer to sin in M+ usually play outlaw

[cerulean nest]

r6 obedience huh? over doomblade

[grim tangle]

flag works whenever you use combo points, not just when you use combo points on the target with flag

[obtuse robin]

and the buff u get on on you

[lone wren]

ah gotcha

[slow marsh]

Yeah you just want to flag and vendetta whatever is gonna live longest them start spreading your bleedie bois

[tawdry verge]

Who should i watch to learn how to play Assassination ??

[north basin]

kojack

[red plaza]

Seliathan

[slow marsh]

Not infexious

[misty holly]

Whispyr streams sometimes

[lone wren]

thank you

[slow marsh]

Ceverion streams sometimes as well even tho he's an eu boi

[open swift]

whos is this

[tawdry verge]

Thank you all

[slow marsh]

You can always check out vods

I would say you could watch my stream but it's breaking my computer for some reason so I'm putting a pause on it till I upgrade I guess

[runic maple]

As a venthyr with doomblade, do I just use flag and vendetta on cd?

[scenic root]

When else do rogues press CDs? 🤣

[runic maple]

Good question

[jagged bobcat]

rip obedience

[scenic root]

The answer is like 90% the time on CD. Unless you would not get another use cause fight is too short.

Or if it's shiv and 10 secs off of vendetta

[runic maple]

I c

[warped moon]

Ceverion have any vods from new raid yet?

[slow marsh]

Not sure actually

[icy dock]

is the effect on the sylvanas dagger execute oriented ?

[slow marsh]

Yes

[icy dock]

so its fully stacked 15% x 4 ?

[slow marsh]

Not exactly sure haven't paid much attention to how it works other than daggers gud me need daggers

[limber lion]

Nah, I'll be playing Assa on Sunday again and I'll try to stream it :p

[slow marsh]

Cev why secret logs

[hollow talon]

is there like a list or pin or anything for which dom sockets we want

[misty bough]

So we still fucked?

[slow marsh]

It's in pins

[misty bough]

I saw that warrior got some help, how bout us

I wanted those 13.3% dps from venthyr kekw

[slow marsh]

Yep we are trash. Time to reroll

[obtuse robin]

war got nerfed

[misty bough]

Looked like they got "buffed" today from my guild chat

[hollow talon]

looked but cant seem to find it, which channel?

[misty bough]

Theres a part going on in war discord atleast

[obtuse robin]

well the leggo tunning they got nerfed

[misty bough]

Party*

[obtuse robin]

idk any new changes

[misty bough]

They got nerfed but less afaik

Compared to yesterday

[obtuse robin]

there leggo nerf was about he same as ours

[magic gale]

Did obedience get nerfed?

[slow marsh]

It's the 4th thing. Shadowlands information

[hollow talon]

ok gotcha ty

[slow marsh]

Gotta scroll a bit

[misty bough]

I wonder if i should stick to doom leggo

[sturdy bone]

For ST i think so

[misty bough]

Flag leggo is prob still busted if you get PI's lined up for it

[slow marsh]

Obedience is roughly 40 dps less in ST than DB and is better in aoe. Do with that what you will

[fading vigil]

What slot does obedience go on?

[misty bough]

Back

[slow marsh]

Back

For all

[misty bough]

All leggos goes on back

Pretty much

[fading vigil]

Is there a link to assassin guide? In the pins

I have too many questions

[slow marsh]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[misty bough]

Im more curious if theres a flagglation guide

[fading vigil]

They all the same? Or which one should I look into

[slow marsh]

You don't really need one imo. Just flag when at full cp and near full energy

[misty bough]

Sometimes i get up to 30stacks other times 20, prob just crit rng

[limber lion]

[misty bough]

Usually end up at lile 24, but thats with vigor🤷‍♂️

[limber lion]

I wouldn't mind public logs but it is what it is.

[slow marsh]

I get ya

[winged basin]

Venth warriors are rejoicing

They just got their leggo change reverted

[misty bough]

We got any sicko rogues here who could take a peek at my logs telling my what im doing wrong?

Me*

[slow marsh]

It's probably shiv and rupture / garrote uptime

But yeah we log review plenty in here

[misty bough]

Pretty much 100% uptime on gar/rupt

[slow marsh]

Link

[misty bough]

Ill dm you

[obtuse robin]

ahh shit warr leggo nerf removed

wtf

rogues up next baby

[misty bough]

We gotta riot like they did

Big streamers trashtalked blizzard enough

[devout pine]

Reeeeeee revert nerf to rogues right now blizzard or we riot

[misty bough]

agREEEEE

[strange python]

Grrrrrr so angry

[misty bough]

Riot! Riot! Riot! 😂

[obtuse robin]

so now we r the only class that got a huge nerf to leggo i think

[winged basin]

It is kinda silly, the same argument Archie used for Fury is the same problem rogues have. We dont make up the loss of multi target being Venth right? I mean obed is still better for m+ but dang

[cloud bramble]

you'll never see that happening...when rogues are happy no one is.

[obtuse robin]

? it literally did

i think u ment to qoutre the other

[cloud bramble]

I meant with our legendary sorry

[buoyant mauve]

hey if someone here with a following wants to @Blizzard or sum shit about reverting nerf I'll def retweet and like

[obtuse robin]

hundo p

[azure flare]

even nerfed the lego is still fine and competing with our other legos

[obtuse robin]

not the point

[azure flare]

why do u want a revert

the lego from war isn't even close to comparable to our lego

[obtuse robin]

?

yes it is?

[azure flare]

u mean the lego that can only be used during execute and when a boss is above 80% is the same as flag?

[lone wren]

what about warrior leggo got reverted?

[obtuse robin]

they were ahread of us on simms

[azure flare]

oh my god.

[obtuse robin]

cuz of the leggo

[azure flare]

the patchwork sims okay.

[obtuse robin]

i mean the numbers dont lie right

they were ahead 600 dps b4 leggo tunning

after tunning still ahead 600 dps

[azure flare]

man ._.

[obtuse robin]

now ahead almost 1k

[buoyant mauve]

I hope you're not about to make the argument that the sim didn't mean anything because then it shouldn't mean anything if we're on top

[azure flare]

no I think I choose to insta concede

[obtuse robin]

yea cuz ur wrong

no other choice

[azure flare]

It's fine if you believe that

[lone wren]

warrior dpses more and brings more raid buffs

[azure flare]

I just don't think you were worth the time to discuss it with really

[lone wren]

great balance

[cloud bramble]

good times to be a warrior

[obtuse robin]

u have nop points and contradicted urself

lol

[azure flare]

I didn't contradict anything

I choose not to even give in to your argument to begin with lol

[lone wren]

i dont understand why blizzard doesn't understand this. This has been known since Everquest 1 days, if a class doesn't bring any group/raid utility it -must- sim/dps higher than classes that do or it's a dead spec

[cloud bramble]

we have 0 raid buffs and bring 0 help to a raid. our raid buff should be doing the most damage in the game no matter the spec.

[obtuse robin]

u basiclly sdaid sims dont matter atm but then say other leggos are simming ok compared to the nerf

im done

lmao

[azure flare]

no I didn't say that

I said 'sims okay'

[north basin]

btw this week 15 key gives max loot next week?

[azure flare]

do you project your own thoughts often?

[sharp panther]

ye

[obtuse robin]

u see