assassination

[north basin]

Didnt try

Yet

Hmm, u have 2 options in dialogue while switching? Like normal way of 2 resets and the no penalty way?

[torn atlas]

Nah it's literally just reset to the dialogue you get when switching to a cov for the first time.

[slate pollen]

Got myself into outlaw but i want sin as main or sub, im necro right now doing the thrrads thingy, ill be able to change after it?

[soft shale]

yea first time you change cov its insta

[pearl ingot]

Okay i am new to shadowlands, where can i check myself which legendary should be best for me? Can i sim it somewhere? or is it known for all types? I mostly play pvp and m+ but also want to raid im wanted to craft doomblade, but i dont know what ele would be good. i am a little bit lost. thanks guys

[hearty pewter]

There is a lot of information in the pins you can read through.

[long furnace]

Bois what will be the ilvl cap from m+ first week?

like 226 +7?

[pearl ingot]

thank you 🙂

[fallen arch]

I think 229 / +10

[slender berry]

yep correct

[odd hazel]

cant wait for the adamant vaults today

[slender berry]

i hope they didnt get nerfed to the ground loot wise

[odd hazel]

they can still drop sockets and conduit upgrades

so

[slender berry]

did they confirm that?

[odd hazel]

yes

[slender berry]

nice

[odd hazel]

oh

apparentl;y

from wowhead:

"The Adamant Vaults are primarily a source of cosmetic item rewards including transmog, a battle pet, and a toy and at one point on the PTR also dropped the Season 2 Conduit and Socket upgrades. However, we have no idea if the Conduit and Socket upgrade drops were intended and will make it to live."

[slender berry]

yea so imo unlikely

but theres hope

[azure flare]

in how many hours does NA have the reset?

[slender berry]

4 hours 20 minutes

[night leaf]

with obedience lego, should we shiv after stacking versa to 25-30%? Or as soon as we can?

[azure flare]

pog ty

[slender berry]

but servers might not be up then

[odd hazel]

just continue to slam that shit

[azure flare]

yea in eu it'll be an hour later than usual

[slender berry]

eu servers will be up before the scheduled maintenance is over like always

[night leaf]

30%versa shivs could be sick though

[odd hazel]

nah

just slam it

[azure flare]

losing a cast of shiv is worse

[odd hazel]

besides

you'll get those as you use flag

dont waste a cast of shiv

[night leaf]

yea,maybe only the first shiv could be delayed 2-3 secs

[odd hazel]

no

SLAM IT

Do not wait

[night leaf]

🙂

[odd hazel]

i mean

if you want to waste a useage go for it

[wide jasper]

Wichtig cov will you play?

[azure flare]

[azure flare]

probably necro for this week, venthyr for next week depending on tuning

my venthyr is already at 40

[north pecan]

Any American rogue friends streaming heroic today?

[gritty cypress]

Fairly certain JPC will be streaming it

[spice spire]

Whispyr is today!

Well tonight as well

So you’ll have a couple of options

[gusty breach]

does whispyr kill heroic raid in 1 night?

[pine crag]

Hey dudes, any ressources on what should be our conduit choice? And Nadja or theotar st ?

[odd hazel]

#Pins

[rustic whale]

tomorrow nadija's potency will be active

for eu ofc

[odd hazel]

you mean her second?

[rustic whale]

renown 43 potency what ever you name it :d

[odd hazel]

😛

[rustic whale]

otherwise she has 2nd potency but gotta pass dauntless

[bleak sun]

Necro /venthyr 42 & rdy to switch

[echo geyser]

what soulbind u guys running rn?

maybe someone that is multispeccing

[round pasture]

i hope they nerf venthyr obedience

[odd hazel]

[round pasture]

i mean they nerfed the necro one

[plain thistle]

[odd hazel]

that was legit broken though

this is not the same

did you see what outlaw could do wit hthat?

[round pasture]

yes

[odd hazel]

then you obviously understand the difference

we are no where near that level with obedience

[round pasture]

its kinda absurd how venthyr sims best on all 3 specs

[odd hazel]

i mean

last i checked celerity is top

[round pasture]

and on some specs its such a huge difference

[odd hazel]

whats a "huge" difference to you

its barely 400 or so ahead of doom for us

[round pasture]

check sub

[odd hazel]

same with sub

its barelyt ahead of resounding

and barely ahead of finality in dslice

¯_(ツ)_/¯

and outlaw still has celerity as top with ghostly strike

and dslice has celerity as top with outlaw

but yeah its absurd

[round pasture]

im just biased to i hate to play venthyr

[odd hazel]

then dont

[round pasture]

well it just sucks because i wont be able to play sub

[odd hazel]

kyrian sub isnt awful

[round pasture]

i saw that necro sub is like at 8.5

yeah but im necro

[odd hazel]

i mean

why not play outlaw then

[round pasture]

i do

[odd hazel]

then

?????

[round pasture]

i play outlaw/assa now

but sub is my favourite spec

i might aswell switch to venthyr

[odd hazel]

so because you dont enjoy venth they should nerf it

is what im getting

[south belfry]

Special kind of peeps over here

[round pasture]

or buff necro for sub

[odd hazel]

you can play any covenant

and be competitive

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you cant JUST buff necro for one spec

if you buff necro you buff it for everyone

[fallow glacier]

It’s not like you can buff necro for sub anyway, necro sub just feels horrible to play, and without any design changes it will always feel like that

[odd hazel]

i feel like the reason people want obedience nerfed is because they hate venthyr

and they feel obligated to play the "best" set up

even though sub and outlaw even sin has other viable choices

[fallow glacier]

What’s wrong with venthyr

They’re cool vampires

[silver fog]

Obedience isnt even as broken as other specs' conduits. Take look at venthyr druid, arcane mage for example

[odd hazel]

^

[frosty bridge]

Necro is a favorite in terms of playstyle i guess

[odd hazel]

@silver fog but but, we cant compare it to other classes because thats not how it works

obedience is broken fam

[silver fog]

This discord is odd. How about buff underused conduits/legos/soulbinds instead of nerfing one that is strong and fun at the same time? 😄

[odd hazel]

^

this

no one cared doomblade was so strong

or that ourlaw has ltierally used celerity for the majorty of this expansion

[frosty bridge]

Ugh

[echo geyser]

do u guys track dauntless duelist?

[plain thistle]

[odd hazel]

you dont have to ram

[plain thistle]

because doomblade was never too strong, and obedience isnt either

[odd hazel]

yes but the point is that

we have 95% of our leggos are useless

[frosty bridge]

Again, if it makes rogue too strong they will nerf the whole class/spec instead of tuning the 1 legendary

[plain thistle]

they are not

if you compare with doomblade

[odd hazel]

yeah, go use tiny toxic blade

[plain thistle]

but they almost are comparing with Obedience

but hopefully they dont nerf

[echo geyser]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[frosty bridge]

5.65% difference between necro and ventyr is not that small imo

It’s quite significant when you also consider it’s bis for sub and outlaw for ST

[odd hazel]

6% isnt a lot

[frosty bridge]

For Sub even in M+

[elfin valley]

and sin in M+ @frosty bridge

[frosty bridge]

It basically kills other legendaries in ST, for Sub it kill them all in every situation

[odd hazel]

sub needed all the help it could get

[echo geyser]

do u go vendetta at 4-5 cp into flag > rupture or whats the sequence?

couldnt find it in the guide for venthyr specifically

[frosty bridge]

All i am saying is that sub shouldn’t be strong because of 1 specific legendary/covenant combination

[odd hazel]

Doesn’t make them broken or nerf worthy though

You mean like sin is basically ?

[frosty bridge]

Buff Sub more and nerf obedience slightly

[elfin valley]

sin runs many diff legos based on the situation

[odd hazel]

Many?

2 ?

[elfin valley]

Obedience if u count it

[odd hazel]

So we only use 1

[teal bloom]

1 in all situations in 9.1 kekw

[elfin valley]

true

but all specs basically use 1 in 9.1 lol

[odd hazel]

Which is fine

[elfin valley]

outside of outlaw in M+

[odd hazel]

Except outlaw

Celerity still is top for ghostly strike

[elfin valley]

they are even based on whispyrs sims

[odd hazel]

Yes

Celerity+ghostly strike is top ST for outlaw

[willow eagle]

Assuming you're kyrian

Else it's obedience top st

[echo geyser]

2 questions

does EP work for rupture CT?

also is it bad to refresh rupture as the last gcd right before vendetta ends

or is it just better to envenom

[plain thistle]

doesnt matter

dots are dynamic

[plain thistle]

elaborate planning?

yes

[echo geyser]

yep

so they get 10% more dmg too

but i assume its not snapshotting

just dmg for the duration of my own buff right

[plain thistle]

yes

we have almost 0 snapshots currently

[echo geyser]

u sure envenom isnt better than refreshing rupture right before vendetta ends?

[plain thistle]

really doesnt matter

[echo geyser]

aight fair

[hot flume]

I think i've read somewhere in the sub channel, that's the play. Flag before the rupture

[plain thistle]

you do what you have to do, forget vendetta, if you need to refresh rupture you do

if you dont, you envenom

[echo geyser]

well its not that rupture is running out

its just that it JUST hit pandemic timer

so like 7sec or 5 left

[plain thistle]

yes, you flag before the first rupture

and after that you always flag just before a finisher

to maximize your stacks

[echo geyser]

i would be able to do rupture as my next finisher and never lose the dot

actually now reading tooltip

[plain thistle]

then you refresh

[echo geyser]

envenoms arent even hitting that hard

[hot flume]

Personnaly I always refresh rupture before entering Shiv if the rupture is gonna fall out during my burst. Especially when we played dommblade, as we would lose dmg on envenom

[echo geyser]

yeah it was last seconds of vendetta in question not shiv

shiv for sure has to be envenom

[hot flume]

Oh sorry i misread, I envenom, and refresh rupture outside of vendetta

But I speak for myself here

[echo geyser]

that was my thought

"feelcraft"

[plain thistle]

doesnt matter as I said, if you need to refresh you do, inside or outside vendetta

[echo geyser]

cause envenom would gain the full dmg amp from vendetta

and rupture doesnt snapshot

[plain thistle]

for TB you use on CD, and try to refresh rupture before if its inside pandemic, but its not a big deal if you need to refresh rupture inside TB

[echo geyser]

whats tb

[hot flume]

honestly it always have been with assa. When you have to deal with mechanics your timers don't line up perfectly so....

[plain thistle]

toxic blade

[cobalt pelican]

when you're down to the minutia of '% dmg amp on 1 envenom vs the energy and damage from 1-2 ticks of rupture' you're looking at like <10 dps or something over the course of a fight

[plain thistle]

shiv 😂

[echo geyser]

ah

[cobalt pelican]

i imagine the actual answer would probably lean towards envenom if you're on decent energy and rupture otherwise, but it's not going to add up to much anyways

[echo geyser]

but my rupture is ticking regardless? but i can buy the not big gain

[cobalt pelican]

if you're talking about it not falling but just pandemic refresh then yes

just envenom

[echo geyser]

yep that was the case

ty

also are there scenarios where u play 3 potency over duelist for ST?

[plain thistle]

probably not, duelist is really good for ST

[gusty breach]

boys, stupid question possible, but new dungeons gear has a lot of haste, thats good for us right? i know sim yo self and w.e., but it might be possible for me to actually get above 20% haste in patch
😄

[hot flume]

Read the pins mate

[plain thistle]

new dungeons you mean Tazavesh?

[gusty breach]

ye

[plain thistle]

hard mode drops 233, which you will replace really quick with raid gear

[gusty breach]

true

[cobalt pelican]

probably depends on conduit ilvls ram, but don't forsee it atm

our 3rd potency for now just isn't very.. good

[plain thistle]

but dont worry too much, there nothing that required 20%+ haste

[gusty breach]

i think i've checked the pins more last 3 days than i did any homework, i

have read em

[echo geyser]

i guess we still run lethal + katar for m+ tho 3x potency

over dauntless right

[cobalt pelican]

ye

[plain thistle]

yes, with lashing as the third slot

[echo geyser]

yep ofc

[plain thistle]

lashing + katar + lethal or wps

[echo geyser]

maybe swapping between specs isnt too bad if u run dauntless

only 1 conduit needs to be swapped

[gusty breach]

take theo for sub, nadya for sin, thats what i'm doing

[echo geyser]

yeah i was thinking outlaw too

[gusty breach]

the energy thingy is annoying as hell, why blizzard is doing it...who knows

i mean, for conduit swaps

[south belfry]

Isnt lashing the best

[echo geyser]

yeah im dry on those energy

[echo geyser]

yeah ofc lashing

[gusty breach]

i tried sub in m+, then i wanted to change to back to sin in raid(last raid castle nafria), and wanted backt osub

guess what

no energy

[strange python]

question for legendary crafting:

would it be the better play to craft obedience rank 4 and wait for the rank 5 /6 craft for potential nerfs to it, or how will you guys do it ? 😄

[slender berry]

the nerfs should already be out ( if at all ) by the time you can even craft it

unless blizzard is completely unaware until people play with it and then decides to fuck them over

[echo geyser]

can u make t5 when its craftable?

aka 48 renown

[slender berry]

yea

you can make t5 next ID already

[gray yoke]

Are you guys recrafting Doomsblade lego or just waiting now ?

[languid frigate]

t5 requires 1100 soul cinders. If each week gives the same, we won't have enough until week 4.

[slender berry]

i think the 1100 cinders is misinformation

there are other sources on wowhead saying 500 which makes alot more sense considering 1650 is the total cost for rank 6

rank 5->6 costing more than 4->5 wouldnt make much sense

[languid frigate]

500 was the old version in the ptr. Those are just old posts I think.

[slender berry]

yea who knows

we will only know once people check it out on live servers

[tepid ridge]

depends of how many soul ashes you got 🙂

it's soul ashes right?

[plain thistle]

ill craft rank 4 obedience at 48 renown, I can upgrade later, and I bought rank 4 for 8k 2 weeks ago

and cape has low stats, rank 4 to 5 shouldn't matter that much

[spice spire]

Jhonwei the true gamer

Gaming the system

[gray yoke]

I have enought just not sure if its worth now recraft or just wait till you get some domination gear

[somber thistle]

what slot are we crafting obedience on and what stats?

[spice spire]

But he’s also right

[plain thistle]

if they dont nerf ill upgrade it to rank6 or rank5, not sure yet

[echo geyser]

i know my WPS isnt 226 but is this still not weird?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/DWsVeBmkaPTwydPDxpQno

[spice spire]

Cloak - and are you going to multispec or just sin?

[tepid ridge]

you can just wait so

[somber thistle]

just sin

[spice spire]

Then it would be crit haste

If you think you will go any other spec it goes vers crit iirc

[tulip nacelle]

maim becomes very good with doomblade and good gear

[somber thistle]

thankyou

[echo geyser]

mh i see interesting

[tulip nacelle]

so not weird

[hot flume]

Draven wasn't that bad for Outlaw

[echo geyser]

i guess u also cant "fuck up" maim

while if u have a "bad" shiv window u lose value

[spice spire]

Yeah maim mangle is apparently good now

The sims telling us to buy into the MM stonks

[echo geyser]

if any of u guys have both in 226

is WPS winning?

[slender berry]

its very close

[spice spire]

I don’t but it’s close regardless

[slender berry]

if you sim that dude without wft and optimal talents with 226 wps is ahead

[west hare]

anyone using the fine razorwing quill at 220?

[echo geyser]

i see, i guess as we go obedience wps also wins

[slender berry]

going deeper blindside makes wps sim higher comparativley too

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rc47szE4CQsKV3sKU8f7Kv

very close

[north basin]

How do we upgrade conduits to 239? Only via raid and codex?

[slender berry]

and maybe torghast extra level drops upgrades

maim mangle wins with more targets tho

[echo geyser]

why is that

[charred wraith]

why? we would be still mutilating the main target

[slender berry]

more energy more mutilates i assume

no idea just sims higher for me

[charred wraith]

same could be said about shiv window

[azure flare]

Seems to sim 16 dps higher for me on st too

[charred wraith]

though true, i would assume in longer scenarios it could be the case

for me 213 wps vs 226 mangle , wps wins roughly by 10 dps

[echo geyser]

weird

[charred wraith]

ah nah sry, i forgot to switch the sim from dungeon slice to patchwerk, 226 mangle vs 213 wps, magle wins by 30 dps

[echo geyser]

@slender berry was ring the best thing u could buy 230 wise?

[slender berry]

yea

legs mightve simmed 2-5 dps higher but theyll get replaced faster

[echo geyser]

u had inerva ring before?

lmao id gain 0.1% or 6dps

huge

[shut garnet]

u got gamer gear thats why

[north basin]

So 213 conduit to 270+ only 40 dps gain?)

[heady drum]

Thoughts on which cov to go if you are kinda interested in all 3 specs and both raiding and m+? what's your thoughts on a middle ground?

[limber lion]

Probs Venthyr my guy

[iron orchid]

[heady drum]

How does venthyr do in dungeons? it's okay still as outlaw?

Fully understandable its best in ST

[tulip nacelle]

it's fine for outlaw

[visual prairie]

i'm glad i stayed venthyr. i would miss the music anyway

[spice spire]

[heady drum]

I'm necro atm so I dont really want to swap just before a raid.

[spice spire]

When are raid days?

[fiery mauve]

I swapped Saturday and got 42 renown

[heady drum]

that's crazy.

[spice spire]

Power spike comes next week

[fiery mauve]

Also 42 renown necrolord, to be fair I was also like 28 renown with venth already

[spice spire]

So you just have to do it before next week tbf

[heady drum]

ah. I think im 1

[fiery mauve]

If you’re 1, you’re going to get like 2 renown per campaign quest I think

[heady drum]

yeah i just dont want to run the raid tomorrow as a rank 8 venth or something

[fiery mauve]

But it’s going to be time consuming

IMO if you don’t have the time, just make the swap after your raid week

[spice spire]

If you grind hard today/tomorrow you’ll get it

[heady drum]

that's fine. could prolly do it thurs-sat then

[fiery mauve]

It’s not like necro is bad

And no one has obedience yet

[spice spire]

But yeah that was what I was going to say, I’d you’re M/W like me, just swap Thursday

[fiery mauve]

Necro is gonna be great in cleaves

[gusty breach]

when can we spectate glorious na raids?

[limber lion]

I mean

You can get to 35+ renown in a day

[spice spire]

When servers are up more than likely

[limber lion]

It doesn't take much.

[fiery mauve]

Ya sure can if you have the time

[gusty breach]

amazin, any timetable?

[idle star]

Obedience venth in dungeons will be awsome. Im getting my haste upto 30+% so having 30% verse aswell every 60 seconds is gonna be sick for sub

[fiery mauve]

Servers are supposed to be up at what, 12 pst?

[tired galleon]

Is it 12 pst today? extended maintenance?

[obsidian ridge]

im pretty sure flag haste is capped at 30%, no?

i have never managed to get more, even with multipleweaponmaster procs inside the flag window

[plain thistle]

yes

but as assa we usually dont get 30

[idle star]

Yeh 30% is max. Still. 30% haste + vers for say, 15 seconds every 60 seconds is mad

[plain thistle]

we need a lot of luck with crits to get 30 stacks

[kindred shuttle]

When will they nerf it?

[obsidian ridge]

yeah I know. I can't wait for mythic week to finally craft taht bad boy

[idle star]

Yeh Sub does is super quick in aoe. Not assa tho

[plain thistle]

probably never

hopefully

[spice spire]

Never or tomorrow. Who knows

[plain thistle]

[gusty breach]

the hope is real

[idle star]

Obedience is going to be amazing for sub in aoe

[spice spire]

LQpeepohappy

[gusty breach]

single, aoe, doing the dishes , getting a new job

[kindred shuttle]

I am still necro

[spice spire]

Now that’s

[fiery mauve]

Buff ER

[neon cloak]

I am still necro 2, gonna wait for a week or two before I switch

[kindred shuttle]

That’s what i am thinking too

[plain thistle]

I swapped before the "free" swap, now I can change back to necro instantly

jesus, phial with valor upgrade is better than any raid trinket for ST

[burnt star]

Cant wait to refarm plaguefall...

Took 50 run to get it! Lets beat that

[silk valley]

Im going venthyr from necro tonight before the reset , lets hope it doesnt get nerfed to the ground .. necro is already 42 and venthyr is like 40 so all good

[burnt star]

Doubt they will...

Even obedience isnt that far ahead compared to doomblade

[neon cloak]

The free ticked is already implemented?

Ticket*

[fiery mauve]

Yes

[silk valley]

Yup

[burnt star]

Shadowgrasp totem is giga stonk too

[plain thistle]

check arcane mage if you want a broken legendary

or balance

[silk valley]

I DE a 226 one like a month ago lmao

[plain thistle]

[burnt star]

Yep

[burnt star]

Its fine. U will want the new one that u can upgrade :)

[neon cloak]

Is it good in st as well?

[azure bronze]

it's like 2nd/3rd bis on ST

[burnt star]

Its what the sims use. So ya

[azure bronze]

together with plaguefall trinket

[neon cloak]

Gg

[burnt star]

Its hasted

[neon cloak]

I miss the days when sim wasnt a thing 🌝

[plain thistle]

why?

[brisk imp]

back in vanilla, when people didn't know weaponskill was a good stat?

[gusty mirage]

He really enjoyed using the roguecraft spreadsheet that was a giant pain in the ass to use

@plain thistle can we expect more huge gamer parses this coming tier?

[plain thistle]

hopefully we dont have a slg this tier

for my guild to do slow strat

[gusty mirage]

[plain thistle]

never got a good log there

[spice spire]

Slow strat SLG

[gusty mirage]

Fuck that fight anyway

It took like what, 5 months of tuning to make it break less?

[spice spire]

Expecting the huge Jhonwei top ten

[plain thistle]

that was legion jhonwei, now if I get 1-2 100% its enough

[gusty mirage]

Always a legend in our hearts

[spice spire]

Casual Jhonwei

[plain thistle]

I got 3 this tier, but never maintained them

shrik as assa, huntsman as outlaw and xymox as assa

[gusty mirage]

That’s 3 more than most

[spice spire]

Much harder in 9.0.5 as well since everyone and their Mum went sin

[gusty breach]

100% parses? never got past 95(for my itemlvl)

so that big

[brisk imp]

I miss the days of being a top tier pumper in raid, now I'm in a more casual guild so it's harder to get up there

😦

[plain thistle]

yeah, kill time for parsing is important

[gusty breach]

perma casual here(compared to any 100 guild)

[brisk imp]

we were still giving DKs PI in p3 denny until the end

very sus

[gusty breach]

hahaha

[spice spire]

They have good execute so it’s not the worst

[plain thistle]

yeah, DK with army + lust + PI is really strong

[brisk imp]

during our kill I was running zoldyk, smoked those guys

[spice spire]

Iirc as of 9.0.5, dks were the second best PI target behind MM hunters

[gusty breach]

tbh, i hated the whole PI thing this raid tier

[plain thistle]

MM hunter

[obsidian ridge]

I got a few 100% parses in ny'alotha, cuz I dropped a rank 3 infinite stars in my first weekly chest

[spice spire]

That’s a skill diff then. Dks are hella Deece

[spice spire]

They get +600 and were still behind sin

Hunter dead class rn

[plain thistle]

[gusty mirage]

Year of the spear baby inc survival hunter meta

[spice spire]

Year of the spear dead. Hunter mains in shambles

Fury warrior/sub rogue sims put them down baby

[gusty mirage]

I’m a one trick pony, going to ride assassination into the setting sun in the background

Never to be seen again

[brisk imp]

pick up a spear to jump up like 3 ranks

still be bottom tier

[spice spire]

They’re the best hunter spec

[spice spire]

OTPs unite

[brisk imp]

I'm sitting on Necro sin until we see some numbers and possibly heroic week tuning patch comes in

I've been baited by "Sub is best rogue spec" hype before

[dull cloak]

if venthyr gets nuked i can just instantly switch back

[fiery mauve]

But venthyr assass is still pretty good

[brisk imp]

yeah I swapped pre-Tuesday, so I have free change

[raven quarry]

necro sin gang is bis in my heart at least ❤️

[fiery mauve]

ER best ability

[brisk imp]

the buggy CP interactions on Denathrius was so fun

[frigid kestrel]

I mean you weren't baited, because it was for a short time if thats any consolation

[dull cloak]

i prefer necro sin, but obediance looks really taste

[frigid kestrel]

very short time

lol

[brisk imp]

it didn't even get nerfed though, it just loses value so hard if there are 2 targets, or bad timings

[spice spire]

Beta akaari

[raven quarry]

i just find bone spike more reliable tbh

[spice spire]

Their legendary got fixed

[raven quarry]

guaranteed 100% uptime with bonespike

[spice spire]

That’s why the stonks went crashing

[brisk imp]

even without akaari it was hyped

finality sub was looking strong and that didn't get touched

[frigid kestrel]

Because it was better then Sin until 9.0.5

[brisk imp]

yeah, but outlaw was generally better for raid

[spice spire]

4% legendary

[hollow river]

I’m already simming higher ST as sub

[dull cloak]

outlaw did comparable st than sub and much better cleave early in cn

[hollow river]

Already back venthyr. But will play assa in all cleave fights

[fiery mauve]

Idk I see no problem playing the spec best for encounter

[hollow river]

Same

[fiery mauve]

I’m just happy theyre both dagger specs

[hollow river]

I love both so 💕

[frigid kestrel]

Ye imma be swapping between Sub and SIn myself. Depending on the fight and mood

[hollow river]

Sub is a nice change of pace

Especially in m+

[brisk imp]

yep, my hope is to get Sylv dagger, get some trinkets while I wait for the M+ lotto, and then change on Monday if warranted

[arctic venture]

Which spec is going to be up? now?

[hollow river]

What?

[fiery mauve]

All of them

[hollow river]

All are good

[brisk imp]

sin and sub both viable if you have a preference

[burnt star]

Cleave fight they arent many

[hollow river]

Sub is best ST depending on your sims

[arctic venture]

but there is some over top?

[burnt star]

The nine. Eye of the jailer add

[hollow river]

Sin best 2 target cleave

[fiery mauve]

It’s likely assass is better prog spec

[hollow river]

Sin is just a comfort pick

Unless you know sub very well

[brisk imp]

zoldyk assassination is a real solid prog choice

[arctic venture]

Comfort pick nice answer bro.

I´m feeling that too.

[hollow river]

I’ve gotten to know sin decently well

[brisk imp]

idk I don't feel sub is particularly deeper than sin, in terms of knowledge/skill needed

[hollow river]

Sub can have a lot of nuance to it you need to learn as well

You still need the knowledge

Proper CD usage is very big for sub

[brisk imp]

press symbols and dance every 30s, don't cap dance charges

or press toxic blade every 25s

[hollow river]

Toxic blade?

[brisk imp]

shiv now, I guess

[hollow river]

Lol

[brisk imp]

it's toxic blade, idc what the skill says

[hollow river]

So sub slams shiv too

[gusty breach]

so. which anima powers are best dps for sin rogue? on first boss

[hollow river]

But no nuance to it without envenom I’d assume

[gusty mirage]

no sir

[sand plume]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[gusty mirage]

shiv is strictly a utility button for sub

[gusty breach]

raid utility?

[brisk imp]

slam that soothe effect

it's relevant on Tarragrue!

[gusty mirage]

make the angry boss less angry

[gusty breach]

xD

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Any slammers

[gusty breach]

do we get raid anima powers for 1 week? like it resets weekly?

[hollow river]

Ty trashcan

❤️

[gusty mirage]

[brazen rampart]

[plain thistle]

raid anima power is just for the first boss

[spice spire]

Anime

[plain thistle]

[spice spire]

Weeb powers in raid

[brazen rampart]

anime power

[plain thistle]

[ornate dawn]

Pls no

[brazen rampart]

which anime power is bis for assa rogues? sharingan or jinchuriki?

[spice spire]

Too weeb, don’t understand

[plain thistle]

not sure, but I think you can reset the raid, clear trash again and get different anima powers

[gusty breach]

funny enough, we do call anima = anime

and meme about it

[arctic venture]

Thats all fun anyway!

[gusty breach]

i just wanna pump first boss tbh, was wondering what powers give most dam

for sin rogue

[arctic venture]

Hey zup @plain thistle

[brazen rampart]

lumbering might for sure

[fiery mauve]

Just get the power that stuns your raid when you die

[brazen rampart]

your casters are gonna love it

[arctic venture]

groove!

[plain thistle]

hello

[brazen rampart]

had great fun knocking my healers out of the safe zone during testing

[ornate dawn]

Theres a power that gives you 25% extra dmg proc for 8 secs that looks decent, also getting the steal enrage power might be nice for the haste

[brisk imp]

30% main stat, periodically hit for 10% of your max hp, both real strong

[gusty breach]

there is one power, leech nerby enemy, if under bleed , the effect is doubled

we bleed the boss obv, so synergy

😄

[arctic hare]

Huh?

Leech nearby enemy under bleed?

Sounds, funnnn

[arctic hare]

Hahahah, thats actually cool

[polar matrix]

is assass close to sub in raid 9.1?

[ornate dawn]

Not gonna lie it sounds bad compared to some of the others 🙂

[spice spire]

Yes, but you can check pins in both channels to determine that for yourself

[gusty breach]

ye, but its random right?

[ornate dawn]

I believe you kill an add, and you get a choice like in Torghast no? What im saying is there might be better options

[gusty breach]

thats all the offensive powers

[wise gull]

my guild doesn't raid until thursday today is gonna be pain

[spice spire]

Wednesday raiding here brother

At least keys can be done tonight

[wise gull]

i dont want keys i want my daggies

[gusty adder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[wise gull]

gonna get them first week for sure

[spice spire]

Yes I’m going to get one in normal and heroic week one

[wise gull]

we're only a 6 hour so hopefully we actually full clear heroic this week

[plain thistle]

I think it will be easier than CN, because we are only 13 ilvl below HC

and not 40

13 or 26? not logged right now

[wise gull]

13

[delicate bone]

If you have a half decent guild shouldnt be a huge issue cleaning HC First week, might have to add a 3rd raid to be sure

[wise gull]

we're multi-CE so i'd assume so

but i started with them this tier and im not sure how heroic week usually goes

[slender berry]

when are your raid days

chances are pretty high some bosses will get nerfed / fixed first few days so 6 hours later in the week may be alot easier to clear than early

like sludgefist first week for example

[fiery mauve]

Besides we have

8 months

:^)

[wise gull]

thurs/mon

you say we have 8 months but i want those daggies in my vault NOW

i need them

[fiery mauve]

It’s likely not really 8 months

[wise gull]

real bad

[slender berry]

should be fine then just do the easy bosses thursday and the rest on monday after the ez strats are out

[tidal nest]

Any recommendation on covenant? I don’t have a venthyr character yet so I was kicking around them if they are decent

[wise gull]

venthyr if your focus is raid, necro for m+

[quasi scroll]

picking my rogue back up for raiding in 9.1, just Heroic and some M+ dungeons. He's currently Kyrian, is that total crap now?

[fiery mauve]

Nah

It’s not total crap

The rogue covs are decently balanced and niche

It drives us to insanity

[spice spire]

If obe isn’t nerfed venthyr is quite possibly both

[quasi scroll]

which cov is least annoying then?

[spiral warren]

No one can answer that question for you 😄

Who knows what annoys you

[quasi scroll]

I find that animacharged CP thing annoying

[scenic root]

If I want to play both sub and sin, when making obedience should I make crit/verse and run it on assassination?

[drifting cloud]

yes

[fiery mauve]

Probably

[scenic root]

I think sub wants it on cloak as well, so will be nice to just have one Lego for now

[thorn fjord]

We going full DPS anima powers?

[spice spire]

Yes to everything you’ve said

Cloak, stats

[sturdy stirrup]

is venth the best for assas and sub now ?

[slow marsh]

yes

pins

[sturdy stirrup]

thanks

[ancient cliff]

Is Poisoned Knife used to generate 1 combo point to prevent overcapping?

[violet hemlock]

its used when u cant hit boss and are gon na cap energy

otherwise u wanna finisher at maxcp-1

[topaz echo]

you just slam finisher if you are 1 point off

[ancient cliff]

ah right

[sonic schooner]

poisoned knife if you are forced to move out from the boss, you are about to overcap energy, and your poisons are fading

[brisk orchid]

on Limit Max's stream

[teal bloom]

[arctic hare]

lol

[sick cairn]

I have this thought that is always at the back of my head that noone in the blizz team plays rogue

[west cove]

what's problem now?

[azure bronze]

Infexious wants venthyr /obedience nerfed so he can play Necro

[arctic hare]

Oh boy

[brisk orchid]

[slow marsh]

I mean it's not like necro is bad

[brisk orchid]

I really like the playstyle of necro ngl

[marble garnet]

Question for all the gamers out there... On Ner'zhul will it be worth applying garrote and rupture to the orb of torment when it takes 99% reduced damage for the extra energy regen to funnel into the boss? Or will the negligible damage from those bleeds counter the regen and be ST loss I am new to rogue and just trying to figure things out.

[balmy condor]

It will be, yes

[arctic hare]

Good to know

[balmy condor]

It was worth on council and slg, so it’s worth here too

[arctic hare]

Wait, so it did work on council, how was the energy regen when you did that, better?

[balmy condor]

Well if you put up 4 bleeds, rather than 2, it’s about double xD

[limber lion]

Yes and it's actually even more worth than on Council because it'll be vulnerable when the tank hits the beam on it.

[arctic hare]

Ooooh, sounds tasty

[slow marsh]

Necro is even in 2 target and pulls ahead 800ish dps in 3 target so it's certainly still viable. That being said we are going to be highly sought after for our ST damage so in my personal opinion it's better to push that right now

[limber lion]

So it's important to have the bleeds up on the target before you start blasting it with instant damage-

[arctic hare]

Makes sense

[marble garnet]

Thank you!

[thorn fjord]

I'm waiting till thurs/friday to swap back to venth from necro

[sick cairn]

i play both necro/venthyr, assa/outlaw renown 40 on both, is it trolling to play necro atm? or should i swap to venthyr now

[wise gull]

im swapping to venthyr next week

[slow marsh]

literally look 4 messages up

[sick cairn]

trolling is probably too strong of a word

sry i was still typing

[slow marsh]

No it's not trolling at all

[indigo ginkgo]

hoe many craft 330 itens from research 4 can we use ?

[west geode]

1

[wet galleon]

1

[indigo ginkgo]

oh and i was juicing to get a ring and a neck that a i have low level

crap

[scenic root]

Run normal/heroic, use 230 to cover item that doesn't drop.

[gusty adder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[scenic root]

Will get out classes by m+ in a week or two anyway.

[indigo ginkgo]

like a good ring 330 with socket

230

[hasty crater]

Doomblade on cloak with crit haste right ?

[rancid warren]

Aight i have few subtle questions i've found to be curious while hitting ST dummy(doomblades necro heirmir 3320021)

1. Will it be better to hold shiv like, just 5 sec to allign with SBS? I find it to be much easier to strike 3 envenoms in shiv window

2. Is it beneficial to delay vend/vanish/racial a little to allign with gemstones? Or just use it on cooldown?

3. Could it be beneficial to stay stealthed a bit after vanishing(gaining 50% crit buff but cant melee while stealthed)?

[violet hemlock]

u get the crit buff instantly on vanish...

[drifting cloud]

1. no
2. yes if not losing a cast
3. doesnt work like that

[naive cypress]

Would you slam shiv if you are at 0cp and it just came up, or do you hold it for something like 2 gcd's in that scenario?

[thorn fjord]

thought we were shiving in to vanish then mut to env

shive with 0 cp

shiv*

[rancid warren]

I mean, MA also grants you crit while you stay in stealth after vansh so basically what im asking is whether sitting in stealth and pooling energy with all dots up can be beneficial than envenoming/mutilating + meele earlier thus breaking stealth

[thorn fjord]

i may be wrong but you shouldnt have to pull when vendetta is up and you shouldnt be vanishing with out vendetta

[hollow jungle]

You should have already planned your “pool” before clicking vanish.

There is never a reason to vanish, and just afk

[ionic kelp]

press everything on cd

[teal bloom]

You always hit shiv on cd regardless of cp. It doesn't really matter if you vanish with 1 cp after shiv or at max/max-1

[ionic kelp]

shiv/vanish/vendetta/flag

fuck it ur health pots too

[hollow jungle]

The only time you literally hold anything is shiv for up to 10 seconds to line up with vendetta. That is it

[thorn fjord]

Really Shiv before Vend?

seeing alot of top parses where on the opener they'll Vend before the second mutilate going in to garrote and rupture

[ionic kelp]

that wasnt a cast order list, just saying everything can be done on cd with no issues. like dibze said you can hold shiv for vendetta

[thorn fjord]

after rupture shiv into vanish then mut to env or just env after the vanish

ohhhh

my bad

[ionic kelp]

all g

[sonic schooner]

shiv spammers

[teal bloom]

Slam the shiv

[sonic schooner]

Tiny toxic blade buff

[thorn fjord]

i'll only hold shiv at most 10 seconds to align with vend any more time and i'll just pop shiv

[naive cypress]

So we dont line flag with vendetta? We just slam it every 1.5m?

[frail fossil]

u guys think CT will be the play on eye, and the nine ?

[sonic schooner]

if u press shiv on CD, it will always align inside vendetta

[frail fossil]

haven't played PTR so i dont know how much multi target uptime u have there

[thorn fjord]

in a perfect world

[teal bloom]

Use flag on cd unless you know you won't lose a cast

[hollow jungle]

I think if ct is ever the play, then outlaw is the play tbh.

[thorn fjord]

some fights would be off by a few seconds

[ionic kelp]

outlaw on the nine?

[frail fossil]

no ?

[ionic kelp]

[sonic schooner]

u slam flag every minute because of obedience and ur skill at reducing its cd

[frail fossil]

CT is better on 2 target

and assa is better than outlaw

[thorn fjord]

i thnk CT for the nine but im still planning to run PB for eye

[frail fossil]

on 2 targets

[ionic kelp]

if we talking about mythic, ye im going ct on eye and nine for sure

[frail fossil]

more abt eye, i wonder how much of the fight u can cleave the eye, pretty sure on the nine i'll play CT, nerzhul i doubt CT is worth it orbs doesnt seem to be up for a long time

[ionic kelp]

dunno about nerzhul cause ya the orb hp

[frail fossil]

assa gonna be really good on the nine i think

[thorn fjord]

the adds need to be 30 yards apart on eye tho

[hollow jungle]

Haven’t sim’d recently but isn’t ct close in st anyway

[frail fossil]

not those

[frail fossil]

it is

[echo geyser]

u guys are just waiting for obedience right no point to craft doomblade cloak right?

[frail fossil]

ye

[thorn fjord]

i am

I cant wait for obedience lol

[azure bronze]

Unless you get week 1 hc gloves

[frail fossil]

ram u shouldn't craft anything before mythic week

[hollow jungle]

I’m praying I don’t get dom gloves and hodl’ing

[frail fossil]

cuz of possible tuning and stuff

[thorn fjord]

pray they dont nerf obedience

[frail fossil]

and obedience ofc

[ionic kelp]

blizz been really chillin about tuning post heroic

[echo geyser]

mythic is = 48 renown obedience ?

[frail fossil]

yes

[hollow jungle]

Si

[gloomy knoll]

heard sub getting buffed this next week

[ionic kelp]

nah sv is

[hollow jungle]

They just got buffed…lol

[gloomy knoll]

crazy world we live in

rogue buffs

[teal bloom]

Year of the spear

[gloomy knoll]

always scaling

[thorn fjord]

I wont take the sub bait

[gloomy knoll]

blizzard just likes rogues tbh

sin prob get more buffs too

[thorn fjord]

Blizz hates sub

[hollow jungle]

Cn says otherwise

[gloomy knoll]

but after sub ofc

[hollow jungle]

I’m very confused as to why two of our specs you feel are on the buff block? T27 are in our favor as is lol

[thorn fjord]

Sub will go to the waist side per usual i think

and be killer in pvp then fall off in raid

[gloomy knoll]

cuz blizzard loves rogues

so we get buffs

[hollow jungle]

Then why were we dogwater in cn?

[cloud bramble]

the thing about obedience being nerf is its not just rogue several of the venthyr spec are looking top, frost mage and fury warrior. even balance is switching over. maybe these classes will be enough to get us in under the radar.

[neon cloak]

U played 9.0?

[hollow jungle]

You make no sense

[gloomy knoll]

golden child

buffs ahead brothers

[thorn fjord]

@hollow jungle we're usually not the greatest in tier 1 raids

and start to shine tier 2

[frail fossil]

he's trolling dw

[thorn fjord]

tier 3 we'll be OP

[frail fossil]

dont try to make sense of it

[hollow jungle]

We were fine in ulduar like huh ?

Am I literally being giga trolled?

[thorn fjord]

we were fine but not like OP SMASH FACE DIE TOP DPS

like EP and BoD

[gloomy knoll]

?

[hollow jungle]

We haven’t been giga broken op since legion my guy

[gloomy knoll]

rogue is

always scaling

[thorn fjord]

We were at the end of BFA

[gloomy knoll]

buffs incoming

scaling is our class identity

[hollow jungle]

I didn’t realize rogue was hunter or mage I suppose. Weird

[thorn fjord]

We get better as the expansion continues... its always the case

[hollow jungle]

So does like every class?

[gloomy knoll]

scaling through aura buffs

rogue is aura master

[hollow jungle]

Ok. I give up, gl friends lmfao

[rancid warren]

Oh one more thing to confirm then
If youre talented DS, not pooling energy and shiving on cooldown does more damage than pooling energy/delaying shiv and envenoming three times per shiv? Or perhaps should i give up sticking to '3 envenoms per shiv' idea when playing with DS?

[arctic hare]

So, exactly what happens when a shaman puts out windfury while slice’n’dice is up?

[craggy basin]

most people already make venth swap or waiting till next week to see what mythic is like?

[thorn fjord]

waiting till the end of this week to see how necro feels

[odd heath]

Already swapped

[thorn fjord]

I'm just waiting on that obedience

[odd heath]

Easy to just go back if anything happens

[thorn fjord]

Yeah

my venth is already 40

[craggy basin]

i prob missed something. did they make the swapping easier?

ive got venth 40 already

[hollow jungle]

@rancid warren shiving on cd is the most damage output, if you can only get 2 envenoms that’s fine just use shiv on cd

@arctic hare you do more damage.

[thorn fjord]

@craggy basin you'll be back at 40 after doing the swap pre quest

[arctic hare]

Well yeah

[odd heath]

They gave a one time free back to covenant, without the betrayer shenanigans

[craggy basin]

yea i know that but thought it was a 2 week thing

[arctic hare]

I just wanna know how fast the autoattacks go

[craggy basin]

ahh

[thorn fjord]

i missed this LOL

damn so i can swap today without doing the pre quest and just start at 40?

[craggy basin]

so def worth using the freebie to go venth. damn wish i didnt waste week 1 necro lol

haha @thorn fjord rethinking his choice 😄

[thorn fjord]

yeah im lazy LOL

[craggy basin]

samesies

[thorn fjord]

i only have 2 hours before heroic after getting out of work today

[craggy basin]

i dont raid till tomorrow

[thorn fjord]

ahh you're good

[odd heath]

I had betrayer with all the covenants lol. Got all to 40 after prog was over

[craggy basin]

yea i got 3/4 to 40 i really dont wanna do kyrian

[winged basin]

Good luck to everyone pushing Heroic tonight!!!! Happy Patch Day!!!

[thorn fjord]

smart

I got NF Venth and Necro to 40... havent touched kyrian

[craggy basin]

same

i did kyrian on the monk and RE doesnt seem too fun so i dont care for it

[winged basin]

I got Venth to 42 and necro to 40

Got necro ready if I need to swap back for whatever reason

[thorn fjord]

i just dont want to play sin in M+

which is why id want to stay necro

[granite jackal]

Hi ya all! So I was looking at sims and I seen Sub is sitting above Sin is that realistic? I am honestly still new to looking at sims and stuff this will be my first tier playing a rogue so would like to play what is going to help the team the most. Thanks so much in advance!

[thorn fjord]

but that ST looking too sexy

[craggy basin]

dude @thorn fjord i swear me and you on the same exact page lol

[winged basin]

If you go off sims yes. Nobody really knows how classes and specs preform until a couple weeks into the raid

[craggy basin]

like legit same thoughts

[thorn fjord]

dont fall for the ploy

[winged basin]

You just gotta play what makes you happy, cause you’ll preform better.

Sims are a trap, and not a bible that says “Yes this is the best class” unless you are a shadow priest

[thorn fjord]

Sub was top at the start of CN lol

look what happened

[craggy basin]

lol sub SIMMED top

[thorn fjord]

Thats what i meant

[craggy basin]

it was god tier pre launch

then live hit

[sonic schooner]

sin was bottom tier beginning of CN

[obsidian ridge]

well it was god tier pre launch because of that bugged legendary, no?

[thorn fjord]

Outlaw has been the only spec thats stayed consistent where its at

AND it continued to get better

Fuck pirate outside of m+ though i hate it lol

[craggy basin]

@obsidian ridge partially yea

[granite jackal]

Appreciate your all's input! If I was going to craft one Leggo for Sin while waiting on OB would you all suggest doomblade?

[sonic schooner]

The day outlaw will be the bis spec for ST

[autumn prism]

I dont like that rouges are pirates, so i despite combat rouge

[thorn fjord]

i would cry

[sturdy stirrup]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[brazen rampart]

easy reroll

[craggy basin]

idk about your server @granite jackal but cloaks are hella cheap on my server so i got one for obedience and a reroll doom

[thorn fjord]

yeah theyre like 18k on Hyjal right now

[craggy basin]

12 on malganis

easy buy

[thorn fjord]

or atleast they were last week

[craggy basin]

its more so how much ash you got

i havent made a lego since like month 3 of exp soo i got plenty

[thorn fjord]

i crafted my rank 4 Zoldyk 2 weeks before 9.1

so im a little behind on ash for the cloak

but i should be fine

Thank god we dont need to reroll Celerity... makes dual specs alot easier to manage right now

[sonic schooner]

Well, greenskin is something to consider

[craggy basin]

yea im fucked for outlaw right now is about it. the one thing i AM is poor lol rings are like 100k on malg

so im still rocking shoulders

[balmy condor]

[thorn fjord]

rip

[mint narwhal]

so everyone is taking the Obedience boat?

[sonic schooner]

Whispyyyyy

[winged basin]

Hi whispyr

[balmy condor]

hey cutie

[mint narwhal]

im still Necro . havent switched yet

[thorn fjord]

oh yeah my mouth is watering

[sonic schooner]

no u cutie

[gloomy knoll]

have we figured out if the

[mint narwhal]

i mean , the haste buff from Obedience is something

[gloomy knoll]

poisons are a bug or a feature yet

@balmy condor ?

[balmy condor]

nop

[gloomy knoll]

[balmy condor]

but we're saying bug

[thorn fjord]

whats the cd going to be on flag with obedience? Like 45 seconds?

[gloomy knoll]

i'm down

[balmy condor]

because that's not how poisons have worked for years

[mint narwhal]

i still think they will nerfed Obedience in some way

[craggy basin]

i missed something, what poison bug

[balmy condor]

about 1:10 for sin, 1:00 for sub

[balmy condor]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[gloomy knoll]

reject the bug we demand poison qol

[winged basin]

A bug or a feature

[sonic schooner]

i dont see them nerfing obedience but most likely nerfing flag tbh, if it ever happns

[gloomy knoll]

obedience buff is

more than a zero percent chance

[mint narwhal]

Flagelation?

[gloomy knoll]

i'm ready for the great buffing of rogue

[craggy basin]

the flag rework is what made sin good

[mint narwhal]

i dont know , Necro get all of the execute juice

im still debating if i start farming Venthyr covenant .lol

[craggy basin]

i havent seen KT or Sylv boss fight but too much ST to warrant playing necro IMO if going by a pure raiding aspect

[winged basin]

Worst comes to worse, if you aren’t a worlds first raider you take 2 weeks to go back necro

[mint narwhal]

i see

[winged basin]

Life is going to be just fine for either side of the coin

[mint narwhal]

should i just craft doomblade?

[winged basin]

I’ll let a better more knowledgeable player answer that

[craggy basin]

if cloaks are cheap on your server and you got spare ash for both

[winged basin]

I’m on the obedience hype train

[mint narwhal]

i see

[winged basin]

and I have ash for both

[mint narwhal]

lucky you xD

[thorn fjord]

you'll want to wait to see if you get gloves week 1 heroic

before crafting the back for DB

[frosty bridge]

Yep

[winged basin]

I wouldn’t say lucky lol, I got my rogue from 200 to 221 in like, 3 weeks, I worked my damn tail off

[mint narwhal]

i have a 1600 ash over ,+ both wings from this week . so i guess im just crafting 1 leg but which one lol

[frosty bridge]

Just hold on crafting until you actually need to etc

[craggy basin]

if you can only do 1 than wait 100%

[mint narwhal]

im on the same boat @winged basin . my rogue hit 3 weeks ago

im 217

[hollow river]

Do you need 2 233 weapons to trade someone a 233 weapon?

Or just 1

[plain thistle]

just 1

[hollow river]

Thought so ty

[pure osprey]

uh oh

[winged basin]

I played something other then rogue for the first time in 12 years and came crawling back. Rogue for life.

only lasted 1 tier without playing my rogue

Just enough time to realize rogue is bis class

[dark basalt]

true, you'll spend most of time trying to stealth xD

[frosty bridge]

Which guild is doing rogue splits? xD

[lost mist]

pulling everything while lvling then u realizes that u have not vanish

[hollow river]

All of them?

Competitive ones at least

I’m speaking for my own guild tho

[frosty bridge]

Well, as in, which one pays the most :P

To trade em the dagger tomorrow

[hollow river]

Idk

I’m not trading anyone my dagger

Kthx

You mean today?

[frosty bridge]

Tomorrow for us EU plebs

[hollow river]

If you’re eu method is paying 500k to come to their heroic split. And 1.5m on top to give them dagger

[eternal nebula]

anyone looking at dashing for ST as its out simming DB as of today?

[teal bloom]

Just join and don't trade the dagger

[winged basin]

Does Nadija get 2nd potency dauntless today?

[tulip nacelle]

yea renown 43

[winged basin]

POG

[tulip nacelle]

btw did you get the rename?

[inland jacinth]

i'm currently necro right now ;( is it worth swapping to venthyr this week as we can't get obedience yet?

[tulip nacelle]

I would swap

[frosty bridge]

Swap now imo

[inland jacinth]

thanks i'll check it out

[merry mountain]

swap immediately before pulling Sylvanas

[thorn fjord]

did that with DK and quit it after like 4 weeks lol

[inland jacinth]

@merry mountain oh yeah? why's that

guess i'll swap before doing any norms

[craggy basin]

does the catch up still work like if i got 43 necro this past week can i still get 45/46 this week swapping venth? stupid question i know

[merry mountain]

sorry, I was facetious. I would swap when you don't have major raid commitments

[quaint sequoia]

what does it cost to upgrade leggo from rank 4 to 5?

[craggy basin]

rank 4 and 40 of the lego mat

i forget name

[winged basin]

I was a fire mage all castle nathria

Didn’t even get to play sin til a couple weeks ago

[quaint sequoia]

guess u mean 400?

[merry mountain]

I'm running MA... Vendetta -> Flaggelation -> Vanish -> Garrote -> Shiv -> Envenom?

(until I can craft Obedience)

[craggy basin]

@quaint sequoia sorry was a misquote from someone earlier my b

[tulip nacelle]

in vanish window you only press mut or envenom

with ma

[fallen arch]

Dont garrote and shiv in ma window

Wasted globals

[merry mountain]

huh ok

[burnt star]

catch up always work. even in the same week.. I.E i got to 42 as necrolord. and i swap to venthyr and got to 42 in no time

[fallen arch]

Ideally shiv right before vanish

[hasty crater]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[merry mountain]

I did check a couple guides but not the RH one. They don't all cover the MA case which is admittedly less common

ty

[next dust]

can someone send me the best conduits for raiding?>