assassination

[inner temple]

rogue seems pretty safe all things considered, we're not one shotting in pvp either so no community outcry yet lol

[woeful cipher]

well if it doesnt get nerfed feels like venth is the play for sin/outlaw... venth wins both ST/dungeon for sin, and wins ST for outlaw, and is only 300-400 behind in dungeon for outlaw

and it wins by 600 for sin in both categories

[inner temple]

its the play "for rogues" across the board and because they attempted to balance cov's previously thats the only "risk" i see of it getting any nerfs

[forest shoal]

thoughts on today's daily reward? the trinket

the Quill

[inner temple]

idk whats it sim for?

[orchid gust]

what quest gave a trinket? cause i didnt get one lol

[forest shoal]

seems nice for Sin

[inner temple]

rip lol

go back to korthia agrippa XD

[forest shoal]

its the wanted poster quest for today

[orchid gust]

yea mine did not give me a trinket

[forest shoal]

😦 sad panda

chance on hit to cause a 900ish bleed over 4 sec

should synergize well with certain talents

[loud silo]

what should i put doomblade on?

[thorn crater]

Back

[pure skiff]

Guys, why wowhead and iv guides say to open with anything but ambush ?

[tribal marlin]

In ST mutilate will apply the poison twice and will generate more CP

In AoE, Garrote obviously, but FoK will apply poison to all target it hit as well

[pure skiff]

ok thx for info

[copper pine]

i hate this covenant shit ... feel like i done the wrong choice with Necro for raiding -.-

[thorn crater]

You will be fine

[wild swallow]

it only matters for world first

[hollow yoke]

I heared valor is going to be reset on the next reset ? So best to spend it all on upgrades or something else ? Or am I mistaken ?

[toxic root]

It's ok my dude if you are not pushing wf and stuff play what you like feels comfort for also other aspects of the game

[inner temple]

i agree that covenants are annoying af, but necro's just fine my dude

[inner temple]

yeah valor / conquest are being reset, honor is not.

[wooden crag]

is it a safe call to create doomblade for raiding as necro assa?

[gusty mirage]

its a safe call to have doomblade for anyone who wants to raid as assassination

[wooden crag]

cheers

[hollow yoke]

@inner temple ty

[copper pine]

took doomblade on cloak or shoulders ?

[quaint sequoia]

EP only sims 29dps worse than blindside for me so fuck blindside 😛

[toxic root]

Cloak

[errant plover]

@balmy condor Is outlaw up to date in your spreadsheet? Trying to understand differences between yours and Solo's pin in the outlaw section.

oops meant for this to be in WoW General

[past spade]

They usually convert conquest and valor into gold

[balmy condor]

I haven’t updated my outlaw sims in about 2-3 days, solo looked them over and it seemed to be in order

[manic harness]

lucky you...120 DPS for me in sim x_x

[balmy condor]

I can rerun in a bit

[errant plover]

he's simming higher though, just wondering why, fist weapon maybe?

interesting, looks like he's got marileth ahead

maybe it's just recent sim updates afterall

[gusty breach]

doomblade is similar/ very close(on single tho)

[royal lantern]

bro chill lol, people want flying so they can fly, thats it

[naive cypress]

Flying for callings dude

[gusty mirage]

why is this conversation being revived 30 minutes later

[placid cobalt]

sorry guys, when simming conduits for ST assa maim and magle come above WPS by about 30 dps, when using doomblade ofc on current gearsets. does anyone else experience this?

[gusty mirage]

???

[woeful cipher]

yeah I mean were talking close margins and min/maxing at this point, it looks like nadija Doomblade is like 300-400 behind obedience at the moment, the gap is massive for sub.. and I worry venth overall might see blanket nerfs given whats going on with other classes

[gusty breach]

didnt you say sin? for sub its a bigger diff

[woeful cipher]

I did, 300-400 is for sin

[gusty breach]

400 out of 11k?

[woeful cipher]

yes, as I said, close margins

[gusty breach]

surely the boss mechanic will influence the dps more at this stage

[fallen arch]

Thats why you take sims with a grain of salt

[gusty breach]

hell, if this is xymox, you will 100% be influenced more by boss

[woeful cipher]

well yeah but we cant make a decision regarding that, doomblade/obedience is a decision we can make

so im not worried about the things I cant change

[gusty breach]

i'm saying, make a value call on what 0.1% you think it does not matter in the raid

[woeful cipher]

i mean its 3.5%

its not 0.1

[gusty breach]

i didnt do the math

[woeful cipher]

yes its close margins, but its not meaningless

[gusty breach]

maybe you right

my point being, that if they nerf obidience(which might happen) we have back-up plan

whats the diff in dps between venthir and necro?

[woeful cipher]

assuming obedience nerf: venth wins ST by ~200, and necro crushes venth in dungeon

[fallen arch]

So we can all go back necro

[gusty breach]

oh, so you looking at m+ and raid, then zoldic is better no?

[placid cobalt]

if they nerf obedience to the point that is below doomblade necro is the pick overall

200 dps on pure ST is not worth loosing on every single other damage profile and situation imo

[woeful cipher]

yes main concern is raid, but I also m+

[tough trail]

isnt sub becoming a thing now tho even for m+, I might be wrong but its looks good so far.

[pale fossil]

Listen to the trash can

[woeful cipher]

this is what im thinking, which is why im sitting on necro right now and not swapping yet

[inland cape]

Has Blizzard said they are gonna nef?

[placid cobalt]

tbh what i did, i swapped form necro to venthyr before patch and hit 40, now im 42 as venthyr, easily able to go back if nerfs happen

[tough trail]

Yeah same, Im also scared the venthyr leggo will be nerfed and I just changed covenant for no reason

[pale fossil]

Nope

Just general fears haha

[placid cobalt]

i think thats the most effective thing is to have both at 40 to easily be able to swap as needed

[wild swallow]

just "meaningful choices"

[gusty breach]

i'm a shitter, so i can pick worst covenant, and still perform my natural obligations....be a floor inspector

[placid cobalt]

with that said, looking at sims it doesnt matter i think wether they nerf venthyr or not, sin still looking pretty strong

for raiding at least

[wild swallow]

necro lets you play outlaw too no?

[pale fossil]

[wild swallow]

for m+

[fiery mauve]

just play sin m+ 😄

[pale fossil]

[wild swallow]

spamming fan of knives

[gusty breach]

worst feeling

[inland cape]

I play outlaw mainly and I am venthyring just cause I hate SBS

[woeful cipher]

venth outlaw doesnt even look that bad right now

[gusty mirage]

🥫

[placid cobalt]

like an obedience nerf will impact sub way more than it does assa, thats for sure

[wild swallow]

sub still paying for the sins of Zul

RIP

[brittle nest]

for assas is double daggers the way to go? Or can you do dagger MH sword OH and still be effective like sub? I switch between Assas and Outlaw so it would be easier gearing wise

[gusty mirage]

you can't mutilate without 2 daggers

so yes

[brittle nest]

aaah gotchya

[strange python]

I wear a staff

[placid cobalt]

but with all that said, idk if nerf will happen, blizzard did say that they are aware that rogue is in a weird spot with not having utility and all, and yet they added no utility

[gusty breach]

but....shiv

[placid cobalt]

so they know we need to be pumping to be viable basically

[gusty breach]

[gusty mirage]

yeah guys they fixed our soothe utility

#blessed

[gusty breach]

i tried to sell this bs to my raidleader

[gusty mirage]

lmfao

[gusty breach]

😄

[placid cobalt]

i was hoping for some poison rework that actually did something, but nothing

so i doubt we'll get nerfed much

but blizz is blizz so who knows

[wild swallow]

blizzard is known for killing specs with one tweak

[gusty breach]

if sub takes outlaw in m+, its gonna be lit, atleast for 1 season

[wild swallow]

outlaw at the start of legion

[strange python]

what if they do stuff like with warlock? Sub single target, Assa council and Outlaw aoe 👀

[wild swallow]

sub with the talents in uldir

[placid cobalt]

at the very least with sub being absolute top and all they might take the heat off assa, which is still looking insane strong amongst melee specs

[fiery mauve]

sub being absolute top of what

ST

?

[gusty breach]

top chad spec

obv

[placid cobalt]

according to sim profiles yes, if you believe that sort of thing

[fiery mauve]

so in only ST?

[wild swallow]

no one does

[placid cobalt]

i mean, sims assume absolute best gear with 259 sylv daggers and all

[inner temple]

thats kinda the point lol

[placid cobalt]

so for 99% of people they will mean nothing for months until they actually start approximating what bis gear looks like

[wild swallow]

hwo many patchwerk fights are there in raids though

[placid cobalt]

it is and isn't, sure sub sims more than anyone else assuming u got 2x 259 daggers with special effects, but how is it gonna hold up in progress when you got HC daggers from dungeons? it's something worth considering

[inner temple]

2 ish? terrague / battery guy

[inner temple]

want to say its 3% worse? whispyrs sims have it in there

[balmy condor]

Sub still above sin without obedience, and without daggers, and with less gear, and with less conduit levels

[wild swallow]

thats a lot of stipulations

[woeful cipher]

ive heard raid is mostly cleave type situations, setting up well for sin? this true?

[balmy condor]

Maybe

Maybe not

[thorny pond]

shift+j

or go support Max and watch the videos

[fiery mauve]

just play both depending on fight pog

good thing they both use daggers

[drifting imp]

thanks once again for all of your hard work and the sims and stuff @balmy condor

[gusty mirage]

also thanks for being you @balmy condor

Stronger Oxi will always hold a place in my heart

[balmy condor]

[gusty mirage]

[placid cobalt]

@inner temple what i mean to say is that the number we see in sims assume absolute perfect gear from the next tier, the reality we'll see in logs in the first few weeks might be much different than that. Therefore i wouldnt go assume that we'll get nerfed right off the bat, but again, we'll live and see

[thorny pond]

No spec magically scales because more gear vs other specs

[gusty mirage]

BEACH SAID THE BAD WORD

[thorny pond]

Yea because for the last 15 minutes they've been dancing around it

[tough trail]

hmm well, now u can go back to a covenant for free, so might aswell go venthyr and switch back if hell breaks loose

I think imma try it

yolo

[gusty mirage]

that's the spirit

fuck it, worst case just switch back

idk why people are freaking out lol

[thorny pond]

or quit

[tough trail]

yeah 15 mins into new covenant campaigngrind theres a possibility that I will alt f4

but thats up to see

[gusty mirage]

ngl don't blame you

[balmy condor]

I think the funniest thing I’ve seen about the profiles we use for sims, is one camp goes “oh well early in the tier the gear is different so you’ll see XYZ”, and then there’s the people that go “oh but sin scaled harder with gear so it was good at the end of the tier but not the beginning”, and both camps don’t get it

[inner temple]

yeah, it gives each class a fair representation, rogue has their BIS SCALING STAT WEIGHTS and so does spreist too

[gusty mirage]

the gear is the reason, disregard the months of buffs to make assassination playable

[humble ginkgo]

people just rambling

[balmy condor]

:talking:

hit me with it skip

[humble ginkgo]

[balmy condor]

it's your time

[thorny pond]

"Why am I bottom of the meters? Isn't sub supposed to be best according to sims?"

You are 220 and rest of your group is nearly 240, you were dead and did your rotation wrong. But sure it's the sims

[balmy condor]

HELL YEAH

[humble ginkgo]

[thorny pond]

Yo scaling boi, show me a spec that didn't scale with gear in the past 15 years?

[inner temple]

windwalker?

[balmy condor]

combat went from like 100k dps to 0 in one patch

[inner temple]

thats a pro joke right there

[gloomy rose]

is the free covenant switch already hotfixed in or not yet?

[fiery mauve]

yes

[gloomy rose]

thanks

[sweet timber]

Is this true? I just rerolled sin 😞

[brittle wind]

yes its 100% accurate and will not change ever

[velvet haven]

It's not that huge a margin u rerolled the fun spec

:p

[final sky]

i just noticed slice and dice heals, how does that work

[velvet haven]

Conduit

[final sky]

ah ok

ohh yeah i forgot i had that

[rotund garden]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[peak bobcat]

@sweet timber just play whatever work you enjoy more sin is not far behind and way ahead on 2 and 3 targets

[gusty mirage]

plus if you like assassination more than subtlety you'll perform better

insane I know

[peak bobcat]

^

[arctic hare]

Its a proven fact, transmog makes you do better too😂

[inner temple]

mogs worth 1k dps no matter what

[arctic hare]

Undoubtedly

What if the mog makes you look like a god, is that more for sin than others?

[final sky]

if u have a green mog ur poisons do 50% more dmg

even if they dont do dmg

they do if u have a green mog

[arctic hare]

lol

Yes

Makes perfect sense

[strange python]

now I know why I do so much damage in my green necro mog!

[arctic hare]

lol

[final sky]

also, what missives do i use for doomblade? i use crit haste for zoldyck so is it the same

[vestal wren]

thats with obedience and sylvanas dagger

so nothing you need to worry about first week

[old summit]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[sweet timber]

Aah i see, but same gear goes for sin too? am i right?

[frosty cedar]

what if im orc and skin is green

[final sky]

extra 5% dmg

[frosty cedar]

master race

[vestal wren]

sin is great and gear will put sub slightly ahead

the mentioned 2 things are the main factors in bringing subtlety ahead

also sin still has this

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[vestal wren]

!pb

[pliant nest]

and this bug is included in the sims?

[vestal wren]

keep in mind that sin is still a strong spec and the diffrence is probably not this big during early progression

[vestal wren]

yes

[velvet haven]

I did notice that while.doing ksm grind this week, i just thought they changed it to be like that

As it was quite reproducible

[timid talon]

tbh, if you're raiding mythic you already know that sub isn't going to be the spec to play during prog even if it does sim ahead. I dont think we'll see people really playing sub until farm when you know 100% when you'll have downtime

[gusty breach]

i mean, raiding mythic can strech more than rubber, i raid mythic..but my guild is like top1k or .w.e

[oak sky]

It never goes away

[vestal wren]

sin is the better choice if sub isn't noticable ahead

at least for heroic week sin seems the better choice

[timid talon]

exactly, idk why people are so focused on sims lol

[gusty breach]

but, if you popoff as sub in heroic, they take you in mythic

stonks

[vestal wren]

becuse they show power level

[oak sky]

Just play what you want or what youre better at or what your guild tells you

[fiery mauve]

i would imagine, i would hope, that people know, realistically, sin has always been a better prog spec

but subt stonks

[oak sky]

Not that complicated

[strange python]

@oak sky yeah that's why I play assa necro since release 👀

[gusty breach]

if only people were as wise and old as you my friend

[oak sky]

[gusty breach]

[velvet haven]

Curious, did u used to raid in a guild owned by someone named harley? Your name is familiar think it was on illidan

[oak sky]

I mean i played venthyr sin from release, but when i heard necro would probably be better i swapped it so i could pad and maybe find a guild with better parses

But now i get to go back

[fiery mauve]

its ok ive played all 4 covs

imagine not having balanced covs

[oak sky]

Lol

Ill end up leveling necro after 9.1.5 im sure

Whenever im done with mythic prog

[velvet haven]

Gives u an outlaw option

[oak sky]

Im at 36 rn

[velvet haven]

Assuming ur back to ven

[oak sky]

But of course im gonna instantly swap back to venth when im home

[halcyon blade]

what is the fastest way to get back to rn42 if i do swap?

[velvet haven]

There is catchup reknown in like everything now

Most braindead is lfr with something on 2nd monitor

Then dungeon

[oak sky]

World boss is best if you still have it up though

[rapid flame]

hm, i have found and item which does ~60k damage every minute for 3 minutes and doesnt put anything else on cooldown, would using such item in a raid enviroment be considered exploiting?

[velvet haven]

Very likely yes lol

[viscid spear]

Is is rerolling SPriest?

[grand vine]

Hey team what do you think about Essence of Bloodfang + assa ? raid

[thorny pond]

nope

[atomic estuary]

hey does any1 know if they implemented the free covenant swap hotfix yet? Im currently on the fence about capitalizing on that free covenant switch by switching to venth just to speed farm renown up to 40 or 42/44 to have it ready for if obedience doesnt get nerfed, and then switch back to necrolord by july 13th (mythic week)

[thorny pond]

They have

[rapid flame]

It's an item from a mob, it has a low duration but you can delete it and have it sit in your mailbox farm 1 > delete 1 > and restore 50 stacks and have them sit in your mail xD

[thorny pond]

Go for it and then come watch us stream when you get banned lol

[frosty cedar]

how would deleting it put it in your mailbox

[halcyon blade]

restore item i assume

[rapid flame]

think i'll save it for reclears lol

[oak sky]

this sounds unethical

[cobalt pelican]

you probably just can't use it in raid

and if you can the logs will just get invalidated anyway

[rapid flame]

it works fine in CN

[cobalt pelican]

there was similar stuff in nyalotha where you could port into the raid with the lightning rods from the assaults

[timid talon]

harley like the dk named fayeth or whatever?

[cobalt pelican]

but they fall into 2 categories

[robust sandal]

guys i got this trinket from korthia. will it count as a bleed that buffs doomblade?

[cobalt pelican]

significant enough to get you banned

or insignificant enough to do nothing and just have invalidated logs for your entire guild

[thorny pond]

no

[robust sandal]

so its pretty bad as a trinket then

[thorny pond]

Other trinkets have no synergy and are quite good

[oak sky]

Phial

Lol

[velvet haven]

Think she played dh might not be u, just know the akira i knew also very much stretched being called akirahh not akira and also played ass rogue

[balmy condor]

I try to not think about bloodfang

[timid talon]

all of my characters are named akirahh but i never played on illidan.

[velvet haven]

Perhaps just 2 birds of a feather then

[lone wren]

sooooo are we nerfed yet?

[velvet haven]

Also i was simming this against voracity, it's only an upgrade at 220 and it's like 50 dps but u lose on demand damage

[limber sigil]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear
through Top Gear.
Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery

[plush remnant]

I only have MA legendary and 2k soul ash. Planning on making r4 obedience mythic week. Should I craft a 210 doom made for heroic or just stick with the MA leggo?

[velvet haven]

I'm in a similar thing where I only have zoldyk crafted

so it depends, how hard are u going? aotc week one? a couple bosses? what? @plush remnant

Where we're trying to aotc week one I'll be sending soulash to craft doomblade 3 (best i can do this moment) then obi 4 when its available

[plush remnant]

I think AoTC week 2 or 3

[sonic schooner]

Idk if for no venthyr we would run doomblade or zoldyk

[heavy coral]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[plush remnant]

Guess I could always craft low and raise its rank if we need it for AoTC

[potent chasm]

hi, is the hotfix live for insta swap after leaving covenant?

[balmy condor]

yes

[plush remnant]

Yes

[potent chasm]

ah nice

ty

[floral mural]

There’s no weekly barrier anymore when swapping?

Or did I misunderstand that last message

[silent fossil]

only once afaik

[loud silo]

is it possible someone could dm me an ST, NL sin boss opener macro

[thorny pond]

What

Mut snd mut

No macros required

[strange python]

when Swifty one shot macro for Assa? 👀

[thorny pond]

First mistake was activating the assassin spec for that

[strange python]

true 😄

[thorny pond]

Second mistake is emulating swiftly

There’s a reason there’s only one Freddie Mercury

[strange python]

Swifty one shot macro Affliction warlock

[pseudo hamlet]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[trail anvil]

Is the bug where Syl dagger's "Banshee's Blight" only effects one rogue if there are multiple rogues in a group with the dagger?

is that still a thing?

[thorny pond]

We hope it’s fixed

But nobody has them to test

[cyan kite]

is there a way to check my renown with another covenant?

[opaque karma]

@loud silo y u lazy, make ur own

[olive peak]

yo, planning on switching to assa as necro, what ilvl should i craft doomblade on?

[spice spire]

what slot?

you should craft db asap

[olive peak]

cloak

[spice spire]

no i mean what do you mean what ilvl should you craft?

as high as possible asap

[olive peak]

i mean if the venthyr cov leggo is not gonna get nerfed

its probably a good idea to switch to that

thats why im thinkin on making it 210

to save soul ash

if im gonna switch

[ancient rain]

u can just wait

[pseudo hamlet]

I'd rather wait tbh

[olive peak]

so make it at 225

decent middle ground of saving soul ash and ilvl

[kind talon]

210 is fine

Imo

210-225 on a cloak

For one week

190 is fine too lol

[olive peak]

aight

i made it 225

at 216 ilvl with 194 offhand and 220 MH and i sim 6300 dps lol

thats almost as my 227 arcane mage

[kind talon]

Crazy

Offhand doesn’t rly matter tho tbf

[olive peak]

ye true

thast probably because of WF totem tho

[oak sky]

Man i cant wait to play again tomorrow

[thorny pond]

Where are you all at

Clown Agreon etc

[oak sky]

Wdym

[thorny pond]

Haven't been playing but putting in the TC work

[viscid spear]

Feel like this is low. : /

[oak sky]

Oh

Im out of town on a trio

[gusty mirage]

You’re 218 ilvl

Seems fine

[thorny pond]

Link the sim Ash

[oak sky]

Trip

[thorny pond]

But yea 218 that's p good

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwisAhNr96KuLgtxGcKFda

[thorny pond]

Change your talents around

EP/Vigor or BS/DS

That'll add a few dps

Your neck kinda sucks too, being only mastery

[viscid spear]

BS/Vigor isn't a good combo?

[thorny pond]

Getting a 2 stats of any other two

nah

BS plays well with DS but not vigor

[viscid spear]

Lemme try BS/DS then

[oak sky]

You think on kt we go ep vigor for phylactery?

[viscid spear]

I had a crap 207 neck, the one I have on is from a treasure in the Maw

[halcyon silo]

So I am pretty new here but I am guessing Sin is going to Venthyr? I am currently necro so I am just curious

[fallen arch]

I always play ep/vigor

Yes for raid

[shy dust]

@balmy condor you saw they fixed DS pre pull for assa

But not for sub

[fallen arch]

Sim the other one, is prob better

[viscid spear]

"had", lol

Lemme check Item Restoration

[oak sky]

I was thinking ep vigor for better burst in the phylactery

Even though bs/ds is more damage through a fight

[viscid spear]

Dps went up to 6070 with BS/DS

[oak sky]

Nice

[thorny pond]

You can go EP/Vig for every fight

It's not that much of a loss

[oak sky]

I mean its a gain in multitarget

[thorny pond]

Correct

[viscid spear]

Restored my 207 neck, running another sim with it and BS/DS

[quasi scroll]

any new crafted daggers?

[oak sky]

But i was thinking like on sludge we went ep vigor

Maybe on kt we would as well because theres a smaller phase where we need some more damage

[thorny pond]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pnVKEEj68UGbGS4Gv6wUMo

My gear is low haste right now so that gap is pretty significant

however at more realistic haste levels it's much closer

[viscid spear]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hSH2bKnwSCFo4mvixsVgwx

[thorny pond]

There ya go, we found ya 200 dps

[viscid spear]

I'm embarrassed

[thorny pond]

If they're cheap on your realm, the 230 crafted necks can be real chads

Like big haste/crit with socket

[viscid spear]

160k

[thorny pond]

And don't be, that's why we're here

yea wait on that

[viscid spear]

Lol ik

[thorny pond]

they'll be like 20k tomorrow

[oak sky]

Im gonna pick up one of those for sure

[viscid spear]

When you said the 220 neck was poopoo I checked the AH

[willow prairie]

Dang their like 15k on my server

[oak sky]

Im stuck with 207 crit vers

[viscid spear]

There's a Haste/Mastery neck in there on my realm

158 Haste 63 Mastery

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kMfiyQpoMQoydakXeMEEhJ

EP/Vigor simmed lower

[thorny pond]

Usually does, it gains value with more targets or when you need burst

[viscid spear]

Perks of being an Engineer, I can look in oribos

[thorny pond]

But it's just a suggestion since many people prefer it

[oak sky]

Engineering is op

Auction house, brez, wormhole, button in dos

[viscid spear]

Yeah I can see that, I always like Blindside

[thorny pond]

Kinda silly you can only equip 1 crafted piece but w/e

[oak sky]

Yeah blindside is fun

[viscid spear]

Need to eat some Chik-fil-a and then back to doing w/e

[thorny pond]

Never been a fan

Of Blindside

[oak sky]

I just like having the extra button in st

Feels good for energy too especially with ds

[thorny pond]

meh

[viscid spear]

I like being able to use Ambush

[thorny pond]

I come from the days of 28apm sin

[fallen arch]

Me neither. If I want rng I’ll play rtb outlaw pirate

[viscid spear]

[fallen arch]

Exactly

[oak sky]

28 apm

Some boomer shit

Lol

[fallen arch]

Have there been sin days like that?

[thorny pond]

I told you about the old days where we used to have to envenom after DP ticks

[fallen arch]

Sounds awesome

[oak sky]

Yeah i saw that

[thorny pond]

We'd get an aura that went to the the tenths place and pool for that

[fallen arch]

Double Penetration tricks?

[thorny pond]

In LK when it got good, that was the play.

[oak sky]

Huh

[thorny pond]

You need me to break down the LK rotation lol

[oak sky]

I dont think i wouldve liked it then

I was too young

Even now idk if i would like it much

[thorny pond]

You would've played HAT sub then

[oak sky]

I dont even think i wouldve liked the game then

I think legion wouldve been the perfect time for me to start

[thorny pond]

HFC is the birth of modern WoW

[oak sky]

That was in wod right

[thorny pond]

But back then raid teams were closer, you usually ran 10 and 25s so you're 10m split was like your family

Every week we'd do 10m Sarth 3d, malygos, naxx and ulduar, then 25m same with ulduar HMs

[oak sky]

The thing about legion is not only is it modern wow but i was also in high school then so i think i wouldve appreciated the game at that point

[viscid spear]

I raided ICC as a Prot Pally, lot of fun mass-stunning mobs

[thorny pond]

Game design now is very formula based, back then they did shit because it sounded cool and fun

[soft shale]

yea limited tries was not fun

[thorny pond]

Big red button, fuck it, lets add it. Honor Among Theives would never go live now

[soft shale]

but it was challenging

[thorny pond]

HAT spec now would be so busted with how in-depth we get with TC

[kind talon]

Guys jetblue has free wifi

[oak sky]

Poggers

When i was a kid i wouldve definitely played sub rogue if for some reason i played wow

Ninja

[kind talon]

Pirate

I just thought swords and pistols were cooler than daggers

Sue me

[oak sky]

I either wanted to play sub or sin rogue or havoc

But i heard havoc was a hero class

[kind talon]

Idk why assassination rogue can only use daggers tho

Like

[oak sky]

And sub was hard

So sin it was

[kind talon]

Shouldn’t an assassin be trained in all weapons

And all poisons too?

Like, instant poison? Kekw

[oak sky]

Rogue is definitely my favorite class still after having tried at least 1 spec of like all the classes tho, so im glad to be here

[kind talon]

:3

[oak sky]

Mut i guess

More bleeds more "muh thematic"

[kind talon]

Yeah that’s also what I don’t understand

Should be “torturer rogue”

[oak sky]

LOL

[kind talon]

Am I wrong?

[fallen arch]

I like it

[oak sky]

Assassin does bleedy and poisony

[kind talon]

My guy your main attack is called “mutilate”

If you were just aiming to kill

[oak sky]

But also mutilate very true

[kind talon]

That’s not necessary

[fallen arch]

Assassination should be quick and dirty, we now bleed and poison our victims slowly to death

[oak sky]

Called assassin, yet cant execute

[kind talon]

Quick and clean

[oak sky]

[kind talon]

Dirty is for outlaws man

[fallen arch]

With zoldyck we can 😁

[oak sky]

Obedience+sylv daggers sub is literally better though

[fallen arch]

Literally blessed by a family of assassins

[kind talon]

Yes let me just lose 10% dps for “muh execute”

[arctic hare]

lol

[fallen arch]

For now

[kind talon]

Poggers!!!

[strange python]

[kind talon]

True

[fallen arch]

Get ohtta here pirate

[oak sky]

Poison is definitely on brand for assassin

So is the ability garrote

Rupture doesnt really strike me as a killing blow but whatever

I swear the best thematic thing for this class would be strong, built in execute

[strange python]

did we play with poisons in Assassins Creed?

[oak sky]

Did i play assassins creed

[dull cloak]

yes

[kind talon]

Garrote and “deadly poison” make sense

“Rupture” and “mutilate” don’t fit the theme imo

Don’t get me started on “shiv”

Kekw

[oak sky]

Shiv is just some roguey shit

[kind talon]

True

[oak sky]

I guess rupture is too

You slice a dude running away

Guys ass bleeds out because you clipped an artery

[kind talon]

LOL

[oak sky]

I want execute in my kit

Give me it blizzard

Make my class feel like its killing shit

[fallen arch]

Blindside

[oak sky]

I want my numbers higher when the boss health is low

[fallen arch]

There ya go

[dull cloak]

sin used to have dispatch

[viscid spear]

You'll run Blindside and enjoy it!

[cyan dew]

Do I drop rup/garrote on 5+ targets?

[oak sky]

In prio or just aoe?

[cyan dew]

AoE

[oak sky]

You always keep applying them

[cyan dew]

K, different from sub, so.

[oak sky]

Yea

[cyan dew]

ty!

[kind talon]

You maintain CT and rupture in aoe as much as possible

[cyan dew]

ty

[limber lion]

But you never spam CT

[pale fossil]

What they said is correct, but Garrote’s lower priority than CT/Rup/SnD so I find that I often don’t reapply after my opener.

At least in larger packs.

[oak sky]

I find that i often forget garrote is a button after the opener

[pale fossil]

It’s better I think to just be doing FoK > Rup/CT/Envenom

[oak sky]

Ill be hitting the highest prio target and realize it doesnt have a garrote

[trail locust]

haha put garrote

@limber lion do you use garrote on subtitle rouge

[limber lion]

This is mega incorrect

Garrote is one of your highest priorities

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pbcjVsdJRnXE4bVMpdMUj1

Here's an example

Look at the rotation

It's casting garrote literally on cooldown

[strange python]

subtitle rogue? it's called subletty rogue

[limber lion]

Once every 6s

[pale fossil]

[kind talon]

Alno caught lacking

[pale fossil]

Fr

[kind talon]

Sounds like something I would say

[sonic spire]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[pale fossil]

That’s why I go into details and hedge though haha. Learn through trying to answer other people’s’ questions.

[oak sky]

I guess we remember garrote now

[kind talon]

It’s literally free damage

[fallen arch]

Cev still stinkyboy

[oak sky]

I need good WAs

[limber lion]

Nah, that's a random sim I found

[pale fossil]

Does it matter, though, that none of those targets are dying? I thought Garrote was highest priority but quickly drops in priority when you aren’t going to get the full duration.

[limber lion]

I'm a big vampire boy now

[limber lion]

No

Literally

Garrote is the free-est ability ever

You don't need CP to use it

You just slap it

[fallen arch]

Its a builder bruh

[limber lion]

You don't build for it

[fallen arch]

Almost like shiv

[limber lion]

You literally get free energy and damage

for nothing

[kind talon]

It’s less punishing than rupture

If they die with it on them

[limber lion]

You spend so much more on Rupture

[kind talon]

By a lot

[oak sky]

Builder on cd is like always high prio

[kind talon]

Ye

[oak sky]

Right?

[limber lion]

Well it depends

[kind talon]

It depends which builder

Kekw

[oak sky]

Explain

[limber lion]

And what situation

[kind talon]

Garrote is prio builder

[limber lion]

You don't exactly use garrote on CD in single target.

[oak sky]

Well yesh

Yeah

[kind talon]

When they don’t have it or in pandemic

[trail locust]

i use is that okay

[pale fossil]

I thought it was like Shiv in AoE where the lower CP generation per GCD makes it less worthwhile.

[kind talon]

Sbs is prio builder when they don’t have it or nearly overcapped or in gemstone

[pale fossil]

But clearly I was wrong haha

[kind talon]

It’s way more damage than shiv doe

[oak sky]

Shiv is worth too

[limber lion]

I mean

You still use Shiv

[kind talon]

Shiv is prio for singletarget

[limber lion]

on cooldown

Even on like 6 targets

[kind talon]

But do you

Press shiv or garrote

[oak sky]

In aoe

[kind talon]

[oak sky]

Because

We slam it

I vote shiv

[teal bloom]

Slam the shiv

[kind talon]

In AoE?

I vote garrote kekw

:)

[strange python]

we dont use deathly cheese as assass right?

[kind talon]

Carrote

[strange python]

not with MA

[oak sky]

Nah

[strange python]

ok ok

[kind talon]

No we don’t at all

[strange python]

ty

[kind talon]

Yuh

[oak sky]

Deathly cheese is good in 2m with nightstalker

Verified by ceverion

We may stay ethical

By his grace

[hearty vapor]

What is the reasoning behind using SBS in hermir crit windows

Just big dammy?

Or the cp chance

[shy dust]

It’s worth more damage

And it’s not like you’re punished by over capping

[limber lion]

You crit = more damage and more combo points

very coool

[kind talon]

?

Are you sure?

[hearty vapor]

[shy dust]

Using very efficient builder during increased crit buff = good

[kind talon]

[balmy condor]

Dude no way

[peak musk]

what is deathly cheese?

[tulip nacelle]

prepull vanish with deathly shadows

[limber lion]

!ds

sadge

I tried

we failed

[tulip nacelle]

then you swap legendaries and get an snd and the damage amp

[limber lion]

we'll get em next time

[tulip nacelle]

ye it's only in sub

or moroes broken?

[limber lion]

!deathly

[prisma monolith]

Deathly Shadows Prepull macro: /use vanish /equipset SubUse case: Getting 5 cp and the deathly shadow buff (+20% damage for 15 secs) without using the Deathly Shadow legendary during the fight.
Requirements: Deathly Shadow equipped, a equipmentset with the same name you use in your macro that uses a diffrent legendary item.

[limber lion]

Ah

It was deathly, not ds

[tulip nacelle]

pog

[limber lion]

[peak musk]

Ahh thx

[tulip nacelle]

Note that it's 15% for outlaw and sin

[oak sky]

To do the cheese you would first need the leggo

[trail locust]

[kind talon]

How good is it in 2m with nightstalker

I assume it’s pretty good?

[limber lion]

Not great.

I mean

It's playable

[kind talon]

Like .2%

[limber lion]

But it's not exactly 1k more dps

[kind talon]

Or something increase

How much % 🤔

[limber lion]

Just stay away from Deathly as sin

That's all.

[oak sky]

Losing vanish 😐

[kind talon]

Trust me I do

I don’t even have it crafted

Pepelaugh

[radiant vine]

is sin still better for ST atm or is sub taking over?

[viscid spear]

I got me MA, Zoldyck, Doomblade, Celerity, Finality, and Akaari

[limber lion]

Sub is currently simming better with Obedience and the Sylvanas daggers.

[shy dust]

It’s fixed for assa btw

Lose the buff upon swapping gear

[limber lion]

Scratch that, even better currently without em

[viscid spear]

Gotta invest in that Obed stonks

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, that's true, forgot about that.

[radiant vine]

thankyou 🙂

[kind talon]

When

😱

[limber lion]

@vestal wren !deathly is fixed for assa. Can you remove the command?

[vestal wren]

ye, i will limit it to subtlety

giveme a sec

[limber lion]

[vestal wren]

!deathly

🎉

[oak sky]

🥳

Sin is ethical once again

[kind talon]

[viscid spear]

Sinners in name only

[oak sky]

Ban peepochrist

He cant see our venthyr technology

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[burnt star]

I like that assa goes with nadja in s.t. and sub theotar

Can have different conduit without swaping over and over

[oak sky]

Yeah super nice

[burnt star]

Also obedience is now only 400 dps ahead of doomblade

Maybe we will see a stop in the "nerf incoming on obedience" train

[main blaze]

Yeah venthyr is looking pretty good for the right play this tier

[burnt star]

Venthyr is looking good for lots of class

Thats kinda crazy

[kind talon]

ye

[oak sky]

On sub obedience is 800 more

[limber lion]

Venth

[kind talon]

warrior rogue druid

who else?
shaman

[limber lion]

I honestly still prefer SBS over Flag

I'm not much of a Flag gamer

[oak sky]

But their next best leggo isnt great

Frost mage

[burnt star]

Sub had no good s.t leggo

[limber lion]

But I like me some big daddy numbers

[kind talon]

true

[limber lion]

And Venth gives me big daddy numbers

[oak sky]

Does shamn go venthyr really?

[kind talon]

yes dady

[burnt star]

Sbs was fun in m+

But in s.t. meh

[kind talon]

resto and enhance

[oak sky]

Enhance i guess

Doesnt resto go kyrian leggo now?

[kind talon]

ya yeet

idk

[oak sky]

Or still necro

[main blaze]

I just hate that I have to redo my covenant shit again to go venthyr

[oak sky]

I think venthyr was even in m+

[burnt star]

Ur gonna be happy. The venthyr mog is the best :)

Took me a while back to farm the anima/grateful offering

But totaly worth

[oak sky]

Bc better damage

[viscid spear]

Chain Harvest is delicious as Enhance

[cyan dew]

On next week we'll be able to upgrade our valor weapon to max?

Or just the week after?

[main blaze]

Whenever you can get KSM

[cyan dew]

Hmm, got it. thanks

[viscid spear]

So how does KSM work now that they split ratings for Tyr and Fort?

[oak sky]

You need 2k rating i think

Last season i ended up with 2k on the new system and i was just ksm with a mix of tyran and fort and 7 15s 1 16

[kind talon]

sheeeeesh

[balmy condor]

Basically just 15’s on every fort and 15’s on every tyrannical

[main blaze]

15s on each is like 2002 rating or something very close

[kind talon]

i wonder how many dugeons you could literally not ever do but still hit KSM

if u hit high enough in the others

[balmy condor]

If you do all keys on fort at 27’s you don’t have to touch tyrannical ever

[kind talon]

sheesh

light work

how could one skip, say, theater of pain

completely

:3

[main blaze]

Just do some of the other ones on a 19

or something like that

[kind talon]

thats hilarious

[viscid spear]

I'd like to skip Spires
Idk what it is with that place but I always do terrible.

[kind talon]

TRUE

[viscid spear]

I have zero issues with every other instance, just SoA makes me angry

[kind talon]

i feel like spires more than other dungeons is super punishing and requires complete knowledge of every pull from the tank

there have been one or two times where we did well but otherwise i feel like

ppl make mistakes whether its the stairs skip or like

losing the spear throwas

[viscid spear]

At least they nerfed the Super Sonic robot

[oak sky]

Ive had a kyrian dh not get spears

[kind talon]

true

supersonic robot was craked

[viscid spear]

"robot go brrr haha"

[oak sky]

People telling me its my fault when the double goliaths arent both kicked

[kind talon]

true

[oak sky]

Same thing happened in SD once with the engorges

[kind talon]

LOL

[hardy prairie]

which crafted 230 slot should we be using? for raiding

[viscid spear]

I have never had that issue with the two fearing skellies before the 2nd boss in NW, but that double Goliath pull is always getting Fist casts off.

[dire schooner]

any interaction between the Fine Razorwing Quill bleed effect and doomblade?

[oak sky]

I mean i definitely can kick one kidney another but i cant do it on the 2nd cast

[kind talon]

goliaths are immune to kidney >_>

[cloud bramble]

just kick and cloak, then point out others lack of interrupts.

have your tank on focus and kick the one he isn't targeting

best you can do

[limber lion]

I mean

oh

yeh

Neck

Neck with haste/crit

@hardy prairie

[hardy prairie]

nice, ty

[cloud bramble]

I've been wonder if this trinket was worth up grading

[jolly atlas]

What are the chances Obedience will get nerfed?

[cloud bramble]

they don't seem to care when other classes having an op talent, spell, or legendary...but since it us...100%

[sleek trail]

lol true

[warm parcel]

@limber lion I heard you were seen in tea bois cov hall

[limber lion]

50/50

[limber lion]

[warm parcel]

wha happen

[limber lion]

I've been exposed

[young nacelle]

👀

[limber lion]

Idk, the new hotfix that they added that allows for instant return once just pushed me over the gap

So instead of sitting as Necro with the Venth quest, I'm sitting as Venth with the Necro-backup

[kind talon]

there was also a patch where they added this item called "obedience" or someting

that one was pretty impactful towards my choice

kekw

[warm parcel]

This man swore by necro

I guess everyone has a price

[limber lion]

My will has been broken

[warm parcel]

Whens selis turn

[limber lion]

The numbers were too high

They overpowered me

[warm parcel]

we warming up sub too yet?

or

[limber lion]

Yeh

[warm parcel]

:D

[limber lion]

If I get Sylv dagger from Normal/Heroic

I'm playing Sub for the first few bosses

[warm parcel]

ye sub may be worth to check out

[limber lion]

Definitely, I'm decent at Sub but it definitely requires more brain power than Assa currently

I figured that just sticking to Assa and not having to ever think about rotation or anything would be good

[wise gull]

sub is pretty fun

[limber lion]

But 800 dps is 800 dps.

[wise gull]

it feels awful if you mess up though

[jolly atlas]

You're suppose to use high brain power on low brain power specs

[strange python]

assa is better for progress tho

[wise gull]

once your cooldowns are off sync it's

pain

[jolly atlas]

Cooldowns? What are those cries in BFA

[limber lion]

The better spec is the one that does more damage.

[viscid spear]

🧛‍♀️

[strange python]

i mean 800 dps is a difference but if your not comfortable at playing sub dont play it

[viscid spear]

Vamp chads win again

[frosty bridge]

@limber lion if you’re getting both ready, what stats are you making obe with?

😄

[strange python]

especially in progress

[limber lion]

Crit/Vers probably.

[viscid spear]

What's a good Haste to start focusing on Crit?

[shadow tusk]

when sims tell ya

[limber lion]

Not sure if serious.

[idle star]

The pvp gear worked really well last tier with sub... now im assa, bleh....

[oak sky]

I was talking about engorgers not goliaths for kidney

[jolly atlas]

When sim is low, switch stats - Ghandi.

[kind talon]

[jolly atlas]

Now, how do I play this spec.

[viscid spear]

"Ghandi has started work on The Manhattan Project"

[kind talon]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[jolly atlas]

Oh

I am playing it incorrectly

[loud trench]

still a necro boi here, guides are still saying SBS>WPS>LPs for conduits, playing gemstone so im assuming SBS and WPS for heroic this week?

[jolly atlas]

ewww

[nocturne geode]

anyone think obedience gets a nerf?

[harsh anchor]

I never think.

[viscid spear]

It will if we don't stfu about it

[nocturne geode]

i mean with top guilds buying sylvannas weps for prog its not like blizz wont see it

[sand heath]

Think that train has left the@station

[kind talon]

sylvanas weapons being OP

[oak sky]

Wait, I thought the daggers were bugged and the effect was removed

[kind talon]

has nothing to do with obedience???

hello?

[nocturne geode]

obv those rogue will have obedience

4head

[kind talon]

so what ur saying is

if hunter was top simming class

and they were paying for legendary raid bow or the quiver

because thosse items were as much as a 5% dps increase

[nocturne geode]

more likely

[kind talon]

it would be the legendary's fault

that the item is too powerful

[viscid spear]

One of the two hunters in my guild went Survival this patch but will still have MM as her loot spec for Sylvanas.
Her best bow is 194 so if she gets that bow the other hunter's gonna be pissed

[kind talon]

LOL

[viscid spear]

Had an Outlaw Rogue raiding with us last expac and he bonus-rolled the Carapace dagger. I still hadn't gotten one as Sin. He decided to go Sin the following week after buying another dagger off the AH.

[kind talon]

get rolled man

wasnt the corruption actually good?

[viscid spear]

On the Carapace dagger? Yeah

[lean coral]

You have survival hunters in your guild

I feel like you don't have to worry about nerfs

[viscid spear]

He also had two Unguent Caresses at that point but was bored with Outlaw

Then we had a trial Rogue b-roll the dagger and leave the following week, never heard from again

Carapace made me saltier than the Dead Sea.

[loud silo]

whats a good dps for patchwork 5min ST sim

[fleet anchor]

I mean it was ok as an RNG damage source until you could afford to go full Expedient, but was usually the last one to swap over

[kind talon]

which was it?

the uh

[fleet anchor]

Mind Flay

[kind talon]

tentacle thing

ya

[viscid spear]

I only had like 2 months of Ny'alotha with dual daggers and full Expedients

[arctic hare]

What was the haste like?

[viscid spear]

[arctic hare]

I meant what percent, but I getcha there hahaha

[viscid spear]

God I wish I could remember

[arctic hare]

lol

[azure flare]

They wont cus obedience wont even be crafted till next week, when tuning pass is already over

Getting the dagger for your rogues is something the top guilds would prio regardless of what cov is strong for us

[viscid spear]

So anyone can get the quiver cloak, but is it really good for Hunters? What's it do and how does Survival work with it?

[azure flare]

No clue

Id try asking on the hunter discord tho

They probably figured out whether or not survival is cucked or not

[warm parcel]

you cant use it as nonhunt

it literally has

[oak sky]

Someone was telling me only hunter can loot it

[limber lion]

No you can't.

You literally cannot get it.

Where did you get that from?

[bleak valve]

I think he was asking, not saying.

[oak sky]

Idk if any of you know but can survival wear the back?

[limber lion]

He was literally saying that you can get the quiver lol.

[kind talon]

you would be able to wear it, but it wouldnt drop for you

[hollow river]

butbutbut

[kind talon]

kinda like sin and onehanders

[hollow river]

we want it

[timid talon]

you're able to wear it and even the bow, you just wont get them to drop for you

the hunter has to trade it to you

[hollow river]

ha

[kind talon]

what

[oak sky]

Why cant outlaw get daggers as loot drops

[kind talon]

u cant wear the quiver

[oak sky]

When its good

[warm parcel]

how can you wear an item with

can you stop trolling

[kind talon]

outlaw can

[warm parcel]

and go to ot

[hollow river]

change loot spec

[kind talon]

i think

no?

[oak sky]

Yeah you have to change loot spec

[hollow river]

no

[oak sky]

But why

[kind talon]

huh

[hollow river]

have to change loot spec

[kind talon]

cause dispatch doesnt work with dagger mh i guess

[oak sky]

Yeah but you need an offhand to do damage

[hollow river]

you can't get swords with sub loot spec

[oak sky]

Yeah

Why

[kind talon]

ye idk

[hollow river]

[oak sky]

Very stupid

[kind talon]

shits weird

[hollow river]

thats teh game

[strange python]

Hi ! Playing EP + Vigor with Obedience is a big loss of dps? (Cause i pref this build)

[oak sky]

Like sin loot spec should absolutely be dagger only because thats all we use

But like its so weird how you cant go into bosses or vault with a chance for either as outlaw or sub

[kind talon]

sim it

[shut garnet]

@strange python if you sim obedience on cloak in gear compare, you can copy the code for it and paste it below ur simc in top gear

[kind talon]

i think having a spec that can only loot 1h is nice tbh

[shut garnet]

and then compare shit there as if the rank 4 legendary is already in your bags

^^

[kind talon]

like, i enjoy having fury prot and arms lootspecs as a warrior

it makes ur loot spec actually matter lol

[oak sky]

Guess so

[kind talon]

at the end of the day, blizzard i think designed outlaw to use 1h weapons

[hollow jolt]

which soulbind on kyrian is best for sin?

[oak sky]

I guess it lets you focus when you want to

[kind talon]

and the dagger oh is an unintended optimization thats not a bug

[oak sky]

Idk i feel like outlaw having 2 different weapons is cool though

Makes you feel disjointed

Like a pirate

Dagger in your teeth sword in your hand type shit