Isn’t, that higher than yours? Didn’t check
#assassination
arctic hare
silent fossil
8x better than your sire though
gusty mirage
silent fossil
drifting cloud
ye thats me you got me
loud niche
Imagine comparing shriek normal to m Sire
winged veldt
Oh look we are comparing sizes.......
dawn ivy
ryler is NA confirmed
arctic hare
Oh look we are comparing sizes.......
Pffffffft
safe barn
i thought this was oshosi at first cus i saw that pfp
drowsy coral
Is he trying to turn it into trolling when he realized he made a fool of himself ?
anyway 🍿 carry on
winged veldt
Prolly
dawn ivy
@safe barn THATS WHO IM THINKING OF
drifting cloud
no hes always like this
dawn ivy
i knew that pfp has said some not totally insane shit
winged veldt
Discord main?
drifting cloud
oshosi is grinding tbc
dawn ivy
ososhi is a clown sometimes but typically normal
safe barn
oshosi used that pfp too thats why we have memories of some good takes with this pic
loud niche
Lol, yes. The venthyr cult pfp
arctic hare
Don’t act all nice now, you already ruined that for yourself
faint harness
loud niche
Don’t act all nice now, you already ruined that for yourself
Who's acting nice? You got logs?
safe barn
Whos this clown
faint harness
why are you asking for logs you cringelord
shrewd night
Who's acting nice? You got logs?
If all you got is baiting in this channel, I can give you a vacation.
arctic hare
I don’t care about parses, I don’t care about aotc, all I care about is enjoying the game
drifting cloud
because hes trolling
dawn ivy
arctic hare
If all you got is baiting in this channel, I can give you a vacation.
Christ thank you
loud niche
why are you asking for logs you cringelord
Because bois posting mine and talking talking shit about it
safe barn
Please shien
royal cliff
Hahaha this is amazing
faint harness
Because bois posting mine and talking talking shit about it
because you called out someone for buying heroic?
loud niche
If all you got is baiting in this channel, I can give you a vacation.
Shall we go talk to someone else? Maybe someone higher up? And look at the entirety of the conversation instead of 3 posts? Last time we had a discussion was when you gave me a vacation and I was apologized to over it because it was uncalled for
drowsy coral
Oh shit he's actually not pretending
royal cliff
Should have left twenty minutes ago bud
grim tangle
I mean you literally bragged about being a top rogue competing with other top rogues with grey parses
shrewd night
Shall we go talk to someone else? Maybe someone higher up? And look at the entir...
Instead of baiting, use the block function like it was created for instead of instigating further. Thank you.
loud niche
Instead of baiting, use the block function like it was created for instead of in...
Sure, can do.
shrewd night
That goes for all sides of this dumb log bait discussion.
drowsy coral
Don't talk to me or my top rogue competitive son ever again
shrewd night
big scared
dawn ivy
just win the gulag and you can come back
safe barn
I mean you literally bragged about being a top rogue competing with other top ro...
why dont you get the outlaw role for the yellow nickname too
someone summon tisumi to talk some sense into this guy
grim tangle
why dont you get the outlaw role for the yellow nickname too
I'm a rogue I don't use swords I use daggers
dawn ivy
what we've learned here today is that sims are gospel and if you dont listen to sims you're a total nerd
drowsy coral
We also learned that parsing grey means helping the raid
I can feel my brain extending
arctic hare
you dont want tisu in spec channels
Tisu?
dawn ivy
dont say his name a third time or he'll appear
dawn ivy
one of the CF
teal bloom
wooden crag
which slot do i craft doomblade on if i am necro?
dawn ivy
community figure
arctic hare
Oh okay
drifting cloud
<:pepePHONE:830946518617292861>
dawn ivy
green names mean they are our superior overlords
arctic hare
Lets just say I’m dumb today
shrewd night
green names mean they are our superior overlords
teal bloom
Green names are survival hunter mains
safe barn
have you ever seen purple names walk among us?
arctic hare
have you ever seen purple names walk among us?
Nope, that must mean very bad things if they ever do tho
urban thistle
@shrewd night Since I'm your boss, apparently, why are you fucking around on discord?? I need more coffee pls ty
arctic hare
Ruh roh, koffing just got toldddddd
arctic hare
Awww, tisu didn’t appear
loud niche
have you ever seen purple names walk among us?
Yeah, I've seen fiery around multiple times.
Mostly in offtopic
arctic hare
Is it even possible to get a 100 parse as a rogur and keep it?
Or a 100 parse in general
arctic hare
So its not?
arctic hare
Oh lol
dawn ivy
as long as you get a 100 parse it stays a 100 parse on your wcl page
arctic hare
Ahh okay
loud niche
Or a 100 parse in general
Someone will usually take it, but someone has to have them so I mean, yes and no? If there's someone out there getting pumped with PI and benefairies could always overtake another person
dawn ivy
they dont dynamically update parses
urban thistle
Because wcl page shows your highest historical parse
dawn ivy
thatd be really chaotic on their end haha
urban thistle
only 1 person will end a patch cycle with a current 100
but theoretically every person could have a 100 average
if the kill orders happened sequentially from lowest to highest
arctic hare
And does that mean that person is the best rogue or something in that area?
urban thistle
definitely not lol
dawn ivy
means theyre very good, not THE BEST
arctic hare
Hmm, parses are confusing
urban thistle
it doesn't even mean they're very good lmao
dawn ivy
typically means they got catered to/figured out how to pad best
drowsy coral
Very good at padding 
drifting cloud
power infusion hella drug
arctic hare
Oh lol
whole bluff
Parses is just dps, which can depend on mechanics, group, etc
gusty mirage
power infusion hella drug
True
loud niche
Means they're good and likely got priest cds, and probably padded as much as possible. My 100 for sunking was nothing but padding
dawn ivy
@arctic hare you could technically just get the first kill of that boss ever recorded on wcl and thats a 100
urban thistle
or you just did a 3 minute xymox and didn't run seeds, didn't get ghosts, and had good rng on procs. It's literally hitting a target dummy at that point
drifting cloud
not that I would know 
gusty mirage
I need my PI 
arctic hare
<@!259523182355152896> you could technically just get the first kill of that bos...
I had thought about that
Welp, time to figure out how to not parse goodly
safe barn
I think that if you are the first rogue of the world to upload a kill even If you do 1k dps thats a 100 parse
dawn ivy
yeah
urban thistle
correct
gusty mirage
Though, I don’t think I’ve ever parsed well lol
Me neither 
whole bluff
Not really it's gonna wait until the end of the day or something like that before ranking you.(on new patches)
urban thistle
Not really it's gonna wait until the end of the day or something like that befor...
incorrect
parses are instant
all star points are daily at 4am est
drifting cloud
nah if you lose the 100 it will go away from profile
its an exception
has to survive till next day
urban thistle
oh true, sorry, you're right about 100s
loud niche
Though, I don’t think I’ve ever parsed well lol
Getting CE or AOTC or w.e > parsing. Because parsing super well just means you were padding at the end of the day, and its usually not helpful for the raid if you're padding.
urban thistle
parsing well does not mean padding
there are many fights, most even, where padding isn't even possible
safe barn
Parses are important just on heroic to sell boosts
tired citrus
Any item worth crafting from crafting 230 mark?
urban thistle
parsing well means you know how to press your buttons and probably had good rng, whether from mechanics or rotation rng
and likely had good movement
drifting cloud
Any item worth crafting from crafting 230 mark?
ring/neck, whatever your lowest thing is
urban thistle
none of those things are too useful in determining how good a player is, just from the number alone
especially if you define "good player" as someone that is useful for progression raiding
loud niche
I'd disagree. I can do rotation all day, but to nail a 99 on SLG I'd need to be dps'ing the entire time, which would be bad for the raid as a whole
urban thistle
and getting a better world rank for your raid team by including them on the team
good job bringing up 1 boss
arctic hare
ring/neck, whatever your lowest thing is
So I didn’t really understand that post, is it possible to equip both a ring and a neck?
loud niche
Or sire
urban thistle
sire you absolutely can be attacking the entire time, there's not much you can really pad on at all there
gusty mirage
So I didn’t really understand that post, is it possible to equip both a ring and...
You can only equip 1
arctic hare
Crap!
loud niche
I mean, my point is that it's not generally a test of skill to parse super well
gusty mirage
I went with a necklace because I had 226 rings with sockets
arctic hare
Right
urban thistle
I agree
willow eagle
The stop dps at phase 1 is too short to matter for sire to parse
urban thistle
The stop dps at phase 1 is too short to matter for sire to parse
also you can just... not stop dpsing
willow eagle
Especially since since rogues blast off p2 and p3
loud niche
The stop dps at phase 1 is too short to matter for sire to parse
Not what I'm saying, chill
thorny pond
I went with a necklace because I had 226 rings with sockets
twinning!
arctic hare
I can’t wait for my first 230 outside of a leggo
willow eagle
also you can just... not stop dpsing
My rl notices these kinds of things
You could justify it by saying you need to keep up alacrity stacks for p2 tho
urban thistle
haha
Yea, I mean I'm just saying if you were trying to parse
1 person dpsing is almost never going to phase the boss early
of course you shouldn't do it, but you probably could and nothing would happen
willow eagle
True but from what I've seen
The whole "I'm the only one doing it so it's fine" mentality applies to like 6 dps players at the same time
drifting cloud
#yolo
willow eagle
Tbh I think keeping 5 alacrity stacks is very justifiable to keep dpsing
urban thistle
I don't
drifting cloud
you dont understand zeph
willow eagle
No?
urban thistle
you're almost guaranteed to lose them anyway
drifting cloud
he was doing mechanics
urban thistle
between running to the center, and then falling down the hole
willow eagle
On mythic sire you can keep thek easily
urban thistle
what, you cancel slice and dice? XD
drifting cloud
no you just ct after reaching middle
burnt star
Ya. U use a finisher before he phase middle
urban thistle
yea CT is good
willow eagle
And you reach evershade with 5 ala stacks
burnt star
And spam poison dagger to 5 cp and ct
drifting cloud
but yeah you can reapply snd aswell but if envenomd before he phased it shuldnt be needed
urban thistle
guess I'm just lazy
never really timed how long it takes to fall and jump across the gap
drifting cloud
its annoying when you land having to dot 3 things up and you have to do an extra envenom before all rups are active
urban thistle
yea, that's more what I was thinking, between falling, running, and spending your first 5 combo points, that's getting pretty close to 20 seconds, I'm sure
warm parcel
I see no reason not to keep alac falling down
youre gonna rupture boss anyway when you get down
urban thistle
Yea, that's true, rupture on remornia right away
warm parcel
just going on plat with alac vs not having alac
arctic hare
Is there anything different at all to mythic daddy den?
Besides more hp i would assume
azure bronze
Class changes
drifting cloud
hes not that difficult for an endboss 😛
thats why he only got nerfed 1st time a month ago
usually endbosses get nerfed 3 times
arctic hare
Wait, i thought he did get nerfed like 3 times
arctic hare
Oh ok
gusty mirage
SLG was still a buggy pos even after all the tweaks too afaik
burnt latch
Sire did get nerfed multiple times tho
arctic hare
Heh, didn’t mythic nzoth get nerfed a tonnnnn?
drowsy coral
Sir HC has been nerf a few times, I’m pretty sure Ryler is right for MM
burnt latch
Nah mythic got atleast 3 nerfs of the top of my head
arctic hare
What if raids had mythic affixes
On the mythic raid
Could be called mythic madness
burnt latch
Cresendo visibility, cresendos cant hit you during and after hand and boss %
3 nerfs
arctic hare
Or even on heroic lol
drifting cloud
I mean the boss hp does around 100x times for than the other 2
so theyre barely worth mentioning
and it wasnt really a mythic nerf, just a visual change for crescendos
whole bluff
What if raids had mythic affixes
That's already in the game
arctic hare
??
whole bluff
Called your guild mates
burnt latch
It makes the fight easier = nerf
drifting cloud
I mean some people say the visual thing did nothing for them
and the hand immunity prevents what maybe 1 death every 10 pulls
arctic hare
Were they colorblind?
burnt latch
Some people say the boss hp % did nothing for them 
thats not an argument for it not being a nerf tho
arctic hare
True
burnt latch
Yes there are bigger and smaller nerfs we agree on that
drifting cloud
by your definition some bosses then get nerfed 15 times
arctic hare
I wonder what boss will be the most difficult in sanctum
burnt latch
I wonder what boss will be the most difficult in sanctum
Kt or sylvanas
arctic hare
How so, I haven’t looked at their mechanics yet
vestal wren
Sylvanas is probably the most difficult
burnt latch
2 last bosses are the hardest
arctic hare
Thats, yeah thats a good point
tropic ocean
2 last bosses are the hardest
mhhhhhh
arctic hare
What about valestraz the guildbreaker
burnt latch
Yeah sylvanas seems way harder than kt but u never know, kt might be bugged like slg and turn into a shit show
dawn ivy
roh-kalo looks like it will be a relaly fun fight, hoping it doesnt fall over too easy
arctic hare
They, sucked
Roh-kalo…., who?
Too wowhead!
Oh god
Oh god why does that mechanic exist
thorny pond
Because it’s kinda cool
thorny pond
The only boss that looks lame is Horny Garrosh
gusty mirage
Horny Garrosh 
fallow glacier
Dormazain
thorny pond
Yea what I said horny Garrosh
arctic hare
lol
fallow glacier
^
thorny pond
Sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and Sylvanas excite me
thorny pond
Catch me at 100% attendance for first tier ever
arctic hare
…
fallow glacier
But what if Garrosh does not wish to be horny any longer 
azure bronze
To wowhead once again
Do /taunt garrosh at the start of the fight and you get another debuff for the achievement, ez hardmode 
gusty mirage
I remember someone telling me to /spit on queen azshara on the council fight in EP when I came back to the game after a few month break
fallow glacier
Hot 🥵
arctic hare
Sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and Sylvanas excite me
I didn’t expect that
azure bronze
arctic hare
Heck no lol
thorny pond
That’s some captain falcon bs right there
whole bluff
Does /pet on huntsman dogs do anything? I remember someone was talking about that but never tried
frank jetty
Did something change at talents from the pins until now?
Cause castle nathria subcreation states : 2-3-1-2-1-2-1
And pins state : 3-3-2-0-0-2-1
for ST - Wich one is better? My sim says the second one.
And my sims says I should use Theothar cause of the third Potency Conduit this week - You have similar sims?
flat kiln
3-3-2 and 2-3-1 is generally just a matter of covenant/haste/# of targets. In my experience 3-3-2 generally sims better in pure ST (especially as venth)
gusty mirage
at this point EP/Vigor is close enough for a lot of people where it's just simply a preference
thorny pond
It’s quicker
trail anvil
Where in the opener do you put shiv? Before or after vendetta?
I’ve been doing this on the opener Mutilate > SnD > Mutilate > Garrote > Shiv > Vendetta > Rupture?
kind talon
It’s quicker
Ep vigor is virgin bro
trail anvil
Running 3320021
whole bluff
Bs/DS is a boomer build
kind talon
Blindside chad in all target counts baby
kind talon
Kekw
thorny pond
I play EP/Vigor so people will leave me alone
thorny pond
Then clowns like you gotta come and question my expertise rating
kind talon
Less room for mistakes man
Well
I guess pooling matters more for ep vigor hmmmm
🤔
thorny pond
Y’all out there playing 7d intergalactic chess while I’m beating a pigeon at checkers and getting HoF
kind talon
Sheeeeeesh
arctic hare
lol
gusty mirage
Y’all out there playing 7d intergalactic chess while I’m beating a pigeon at che...
I'm playing 7d intergalactic chess and ending the tier at 6/10M 
kind talon
I wish I never quit prog to play tbc man
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
Guild got ce 2 weeks after releas
arctic hare
LOL
kind talon
Kekw
arctic hare
Thattttttttt sucks
kind talon
And I was top rogue
gusty mirage
imagine playing tbc classic seriously
whole bluff
Absolute clown
kind talon
Shutup man all my friends play in a guild
slender berry
you werent done after 2 weeks of tbc?
gusty mirage
You're grinding out content I did 15 years ago bro
kind talon
But it turned into toxic doggers
thorny pond
Welcome to the toxic club
kind talon
No?
thorny pond
Here we only envenom after dp ticks
gusty mirage
idk the adventures of toxi and beach are legendary
gusty mirage
Your TBC escapades caused you to miss me flaming one of my guild's mages into quitting raiding
thorny pond
I’m like at Super Saiyan 1 right now
kind talon
Your TBC escapades caused you to miss me flaming one of my guild's mages into qu...
Omg pls
Show
thorny pond
I haven’t even going ss3 yet
kind talon
I’m perma erect ss3 bro
arctic hare
lol
slender berry
reading this out of context
-perma erect
-ill dm you the screenshots
slender berry
is this the ff14 discord?
arctic hare
Saw that too until i read the screenshots
arctic hare
is this the ff14 discord?
Possibly
slender berry
which animal ears are bis for next patch?
arctic hare
More context to that sentence clown, please more context
kind talon
?
arctic hare
Come your raid
You come people? The crap?
Thanks beach, now I can’t get “Sticks and stones may break my bones but chains and Sylvanas excite me” out of my head
thorny pond
Good
kind talon
Beach
thorny pond
Cross stitch it on a pillow
arctic hare
Funniest thing I’ve heard today
kind talon
MENTALLY
thorny pond
You can raid with me guild but you’re better than me so I won’t be in
kind talon
?
arctic hare
lol
gusty mirage
you can raid with my guild too
thorny pond
So I’ll flame you from the bench
gusty mirage
LOL
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
Sheeeeesh
gusty mirage
just take my spot
thorny pond
So much easier to troll and not do a 4 button sim rotation
kind talon
Wait I thought ur guild imploded, new guild?
gusty mirage
nah we rebuilt
kind talon
Absolutely murdering
thorny pond
You can murder my sims daddy
kind talon
Perfecting my rotation for all 3 specs bro
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
Okay let’s see ur sims
gusty mirage
just let obedience carry you young padawan
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
True
arctic hare
I can’t remember my last sim
gusty mirage
all I know is after raiding for the first time in like 2 months last night
kind talon
Sheeeeeeesh
gusty mirage
idk what the fuck I'm doing
kind talon
True
gusty mirage
I completely forgot snd on some bosses 
arctic hare
lol
kind talon
Oh
gusty mirage
premed spoiled me
thorny pond
6777
thorny pond
Is my sim
gusty mirage
yeah but I'm strictly lazier than 80 dps
kind talon
Not at home
arctic hare
Dps on my sim is 5,483
kind talon
Don’t have my simc string
gusty mirage
your last string should be saved in raidbots
thorny pond
Yea that’s what this channel is now
arctic hare
I got a friend who has premium, so I use his lol
kind talon
But I’d need my simc string
thorny pond
Sub jr channel
gusty mirage
@thorny pond wanna be bench warmers together next tier? We can just troll together
arctic hare
This’ll just be a simple sim
thorny pond
Push is cell and we’re all his cell jrs
thorny pond
<@!212747189703671808> wanna be bench warmers together next tier? We can just tr...
I just got to this guild
$200 of moving my ass a round servers
thorny pond
Damn girl
arctic hare
Sub lol
thorny pond
You got Mommy’s daggers already?
kind talon
Milly Mommy daggers man
limber lion
Any gamers
kind talon
Milky
arctic hare
Master assassin
kind talon
Any gamers
Yo
gusty mirage
Any gamers
come back to us
arctic hare
Thats what you’re wearin
kind talon
Yep
arctic hare
Any gamers
Yeah!
limber lion
come back to us <:sad:615581001057304586>
Coming home tonight. 
arctic hare
So does master assassin lego and talent stack?
kind talon
No
arctic hare
Suuuuurreeee
kind talon
You mean like 7 seconds or something ?
arctic hare
It’d make you crit harder
small bramble
its crit chance
arctic hare
Well, that too possibly
kind talon
I don’t think that’s how crit works
arctic hare
Yeah yeah, ik
kind talon
Kekw
arctic hare
I have another game where if you go above 100% crit you get a chance to get a special kind of crit, called an orange, and for 200% you could get red
thorny pond
Crit over 100% should be multi strike
kind talon
Is that Diablo?
kind talon
Sick
I have a game where you have crit chance and crit multi
Which are different stats
But in world of Warcraft
arctic hare
Same thing for warframe
kind talon
For assassination rogues
trail locust
@limber lion damn wheere u att come here i need assdvice haha
arctic hare
lol
arctic hare
Right
gusty mirage
@thorny pond is pretty good at assvice
arctic hare
Oh, hmm
gusty mirage
just sayin
kind talon
For 4 global
arctic hare
Does that mean you crit alllll the time?
kind talon
Talent is 3 global a
arctic hare
Hmm, both seem powerful enough I suppose
thorny pond
I’ll put anyone’s ass in a vice
arctic hare
Oh lol
kind talon
Because you get cdr on vanish
And u have blade flurry
Since dots don’t snapshot crit
thorny pond
So the ratio of ma window to combat uptime matters
arctic hare
Which can be used to crit EVERYONE!
thorny pond
Sure they increase the ratio
arctic hare
Nothing cause whatcha macall it
thorny pond
That’s why it matters
kind talon
Ya
thorny pond
My principle can be applied to all 3 specs
thorny pond
Why use your entire ma window putting up. Garrotes
kind talon
So you go NS
arctic hare
Cause 50% extra dmg from stealth
kind talon
Ya
arctic hare
And some tastay movement speed
kind talon
@thorny pond if you vanish with MA
thorny pond
Gym time bois
Ping me your questions
thorny pond
Yes
kind talon
Sick
thorny pond
That’s the build I boost as
kind talon
NS crits*
thorny pond
Since I don’t care about the utility from aunt
visual dagger
is venthyr the overall recommendation for sin or is necro the real all-rounder?
thorny pond
Subt
thorny pond
is venthyr the overall recommendation for sin or is necro the real all-rounder?
Venth looking sexy
Pins give more deets
kind talon
U looking sexy
thorny pond
Ty
But my boost spec is 232 with CT and zolds
Get my bleeds up ct vanish fok
Etc
thorny pond
Poor
arctic hare
HOW? You boost
thorny pond
But it works well on small keys and if you are lacking some burst from a 3rd deeps
Have you seen boost prices? It’s like 15-20k cut for a 15 timed run
sharp haven
!bis
thorny pond
No bis
arctic hare
Oh
thorny pond
Top gear sims
Next few weeks I’ll push it out and get ksm and make some gold for the season
But I have to actually try again
gusty mirage
@thorny pond can you boost me in m+? 
kind talon
Me too ? :3
thorny pond
I’m alliance so sure
gusty mirage
oh
thorny pond
Need to level my horde rogue
gusty mirage
I'll boost your horde rogue bb
thorny pond
I just did
gusty mirage
you can boost my nelf rogue
thorny pond
I can fetishize mommy that way
kind talon
Gg
spice spire
Beach joining the right faction 
fallen arch
Traitor
stray ivy
any streamer who does m+ sin?
stray ivy
you think sub and outlaw will bothb e better for m+?
fallen arch
Their damage does look better atm yes
But it’s quite close, guess it’s also gonna depend on the dungeon/week
strange python
outlaw necrolord can play with assass and will be best for m+ but venthyr sub/assass will be best for raid
you would play as assass in m+ if ure venthyr most likely
strange python
i think both will be viable but ive heard assass is the play. we will see tho
fluid goblet
So venthyr sub and sin are somewhat comparable in raids at the moment, am I understanding that correctly?
strange python
yes
fallen arch
You can check the dps sims in all channels pins
fluid goblet
Many thanks!
strange python
sub is simming further with obedience in ST than assass
fallen arch
But a lot of the stuff is based on leggo’s that still have to hit live
amber sun
what leggy are we playing on multitarget? still obedience ore zoldyck at 3+?
amber sun
k thanks
toxic wasp
sin is over sub in st?
grim hornet
how many stacks have u achieve to get on ur flagelation guys? i haven't reach 30 stack yet and wanted to know if it was my performance or is it just hard
kind talon
@fallen arch its not that close man
kind talon
how many stacks have u achieve to get on ur flagelation guys? i haven't reach 30...
usually around 25
dont sweat it
can get 30 sometimes
depends on luck my man
grim hornet
ok, ty ❤️
minor olive
Necro use doomblade in back ? haste and crit?
tulip nacelle
yes
fallen arch
<@!696072365674594414> its not that close man
What isn’t? Dps in m+?
kind talon
ya
fallen arch
Based on what?
kind talon
wdym
fallen arch
You say it’s not gonna be close, based on what?
kind talon
oh
rn
its not close
obedience isnt out yet to shake it up
at that point sin and sub will stonk in m+
fallen arch
Ye exactly
fallen arch
And it comes down to how comfortably u play something
fallen arch
I can’t make outlaw work
kind talon
ye otl is hard
fallen arch
Will try sub when I get my hands on obedience
low bramble
we get the recipe on mythic week right?
grim hornet
i have checked pins but found nothing about this. For shiv usage, should i always pool cps and energy before pressing the button?
kind talon
u just slam shiv on cd
grim hornet
i just hate to press shiv into rupture, it feels weird
fallen arch
So u don’t have to refresh rupture/Ct in that shiv window
Ye it happens sometimes
But its worse to not press and miss out on a cast
In the long run
alpine latch
So, according to the latest sims Sub is smoking us by about 700 DPS (but is 600 DPS higher than literally everything).
Wonder if it's getting nerfed next week
fallen arch
As long as they keep their hands off obedience
buoyant mauve
I'm for sure saving my cinders until like 2 weeks after mythic
alpine latch
I'm saving my cinders to go straight to r6
fallen arch
Save cash in the process, smart
thorny pond
<@!212747189703671808> yo
yea?
thorny pond
safe barn
Is their st dps already better than ours?
thorny pond
mine is but it's a wash
safe barn
I think i saw him bursting like 16k on pull that was insane
kind talon
do u have a sub leggo
thorny pond
I have my outlul leggo but I never play it
kind talon
Nah I mean
thorny pond
They were like "Yo, sub sucks we need a tank, can you gear your DH?"
kind talon
My sub sim
thorny pond
and that's my 9.0 story
kind talon
With celerity
thorny pond
like 6700
kind talon
Is that with second nadjia
thorny pond
negative
thorny pond
hold on simming nudes
winter gale
Hello guys. Can u tell me or point me somewhere to see whats best covenant for my goals atm? I would like to be as optimized for raid as I can be while playing assa yet still viable or good for m+ as outlaw. Is Necrolord then my choice or to stay Venthyr ?
thorny pond
if you're maining outlaw I'd start that channel
if you're maining sin necro is still fine
willow eagle
Venth definitely
winter gale
Im maining assa and want to be good in that spec but I remember that Venthyr is like worst out of 4 for outlaw mythic plus*. Is Necrolord best Assa/Outlaw combination?
willow eagle
On outlaw venthyr is a trade-off covenant, you gain st and a burstier damage profile while losing a bit of aoe
toxic wasp
im ventyr campain 4/9 and renown 23. should i do the campain or dungeons?
willow eagle
And that extra st is useful on the new affix or general prio target in m+
kind talon
@thorny pond bro
winter gale
@willow eagle and new raid itself, how many st fights there are?
kind talon
wait
willow eagle
That one is tricky to answer
willow eagle
There are several fights with adds
willow eagle
But question is in which situation is it worth optimising damage for boss or adds
tired jasper
should i use potion of phantom fire or potion of spectral agility on assa rogue ?
winter gale
And those are where Necro would be better option or?
willow eagle
Dunno necro might display higher numbers overall but not necessarily the best numbers on tha target that matters
winter gale
I am also a bit more used on Venthyr ability style, dunno how big of an impact is to go Necro now as I am back from a smaller pause and raid is in 2 days
thorny pond
turn off wft you clown
willow eagle
Bonespike is wildly different
At least for outlaw it does alter your rotation in aoe situations
viscid spear
final sky
for generals and sire should i use my 190 doomblade or 225 zoldyck?
winter gale
Yes, I will stay and Venthyr now and pay attention on how it goes
slender berry
for generals and sire should i use my 190 doomblade or 225 zoldyck?
zoldyck
final sky
kk ty
viscid spear
We're Sinners here, not Doubtlaws
cerulean marsh
If you could only afford one rank 4 between now and raid would you go doomblade, ma or zoldyck as a sin only, venth rogue
umbral rapids
gib 
i couldn't find one, for some reason searching for flagellation on wago returns no results
limber lion
spice spire
Cev only plays with the cleanest of WAs
umbral rapids
i see!
edgy sky
on cleave when do i commit to cds(vendetta,flag) on a target?
before or after i multidot
limber lion
before or after i multidot
You apply garrote to both, but then you blast your main target.
After Vendetta you slap Ruptures etc on others.
edgy sky
so if you somehow got pulled into combat w/o stealth you just st nuke?
north basin
anyone stayed in necro? or all jumped on ventyr wagon?
balmy condor
sub is back on the menu 
north basin
when assa will be updated with daggers?
iron orchid
anyone stayed in necro? or all jumped on ventyr wagon?
still necro for now
north basin
or all hope is lost and sub dominate in juicy single target boss annihilation...
chrome widget
I keep saying I'm going venthyr.. And haven't done it.. I'm still necro
balmy condor
when assa will be updated with daggers?
the spreadsheet is already updated
just need to redo pins
north basin
i want new flashy pin !
iron orchid
just need to redo pins
Just DO IT 
chrome widget
I want to know for a fact obedience doesn't get nerfed 😂
north basin
when i see red dot on pin iam as excited as when i open weekly chest
wind totem
is there a ! command that tells me all the possible commands lol?
balmy condor
yeh, !help
wind totem
thanks
iron orchid
Everyone talking about obedience and stuff and I'm out here looking at my SBS DoT critting
balmy condor
np
iron orchid
celest bolt
doomblade BIS in raid as necro ?
balmy condor
yes
chrome widget
@iron orchid are you staying necro
chrome widget
Is anyone staying necro? Lol
wind totem
No command about the dagger. Is it still bugged and all the damage is going to the first rogue who applies the debuff?
balmy condor
No command about the dagger. Is it still bugged and all the damage is going to t...
no
there's no command about the dagger cause it's fixed and working as intended now
wind totem
Nice. When did they fix it? I must've missed the hotfix or was it never mentioned?
harsh anchor
Is anyone staying necro? Lol
Yes
limber lion
Nice. When did they fix it? I must've missed the hotfix or was it never mentione...
Well, it wasn't officially mentioned in patch notes.
bitter apex
how does the change covenant thing work?
limber lion
Just recently fixed it. Like 2 days ago?
wind totem
Well, it wasn't officially mentioned in patch notes.
Ah. Typical blizzard I guess lol
bitter apex
like if I wanna switch to Venth from necro
how to do i reset the betrayer status with necro so I can easily rejoin them ?
chrome widget
Grab the quest and start it
bitter apex
that's basically it?
chrome widget
Yup
bitter apex
no need to kill all the rares n shit?
chrome widget
It's 2 quests
It'll only let you turn in the first part one reset and the second part next reset
bitter apex
but what about the whole hotfix thingy?
sharp panther
its live
bitter apex
am I understanding something wrong?
chrome widget
Is it live??
sharp panther
yes
bitter apex
and then?
sharp panther
and then you are in that cov
red burrow
You are done
chrome widget
@harsh anchor you staying necro for majority sin game play?
harsh anchor
Yes sir
harsh anchor
I have venth at 40 in case I get the urge but I'd rather stay necro
south belfry
Just recently fixed it. Like 2 days ago?
Did they also fix it working for more than 1 rogue?
timber pawn
Staying Necro as well
chrome widget
So if I'm necro and I swap venth.. I can just insta go back necro one time?
limber lion
Did they also fix it working for more than 1 rogue?
Yes
chrome widget
@timber pawn you play outlaw as well though yeah
harsh anchor
With the new thing they announced, I think so. idk because I started my return to venth quest last week so I only need to do the 2nd quest to go back
timber pawn
@chrome widget Yes for some fights and m+
chrome widget
You gonna go all outlaw in m+?
north basin
need to wait in patience first heroic week. maybe they suddenly change things xD
chrome widget
That's what I was thinking also tbh..
timber pawn
Not all I'll prob play both to keep it fresh
chrome widget
Same.. That's my thoughts. I get bored too easy
timber pawn
Same
harsh anchor
Sin M+ is a lot of fun.
chrome widget
It is
timber pawn
Yeah it can be
And I think once we have SYL daggers it'll get even more fun
What's everyone got for an over under on how many weeks to get 2 daggers of any ilvl
fallen arch
Some us will@get lucky
timber pawn
I'm saying 6
fallen arch
Others won’t see it for 3 months
harsh anchor
Week 1 lessgo, nm + hc dagger
timber pawn
I never have luck with weapons
chrome widget
I'm assuming an off hand sylvania dagger is good for outlaw also?
fallen arch
I always expect the latter, so I’ll not be disappointed
timber pawn
I'd imagine so
chrome widget
Same
thorny pond
⚖️?!?
shy dust
grizzled orbit
One fist weapon and sylv dagger is BIS
nova flax
As things scale though I could see double slow wpns take over
Outlaw likes dagger for more poison procs.
rancid escarp
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
gusty mirage
!pb
prisma monolithBOT
Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss
kindred rapids
If I complete second quest to switch can I still use the hotfix to switch back?
chrome widget
Good question.. I'm gonna look for information online about it
thorny pond
Be our guinea pig
wispy plaza
pure moth
They stopped doing bis lists
strange python
your bis is determined by whats dropped for you and what your sim says to use out of those things
other than that shoot for stats that are good for you
vestal wren
iirc the "free covenant switch" is a one time thing
pure moth
Yup that's what it said
wind totem
How absurd is the dps difference between sylv dagger and a regular dagger with similar ilvl?
asking due to this
vestal wren
https://twitter.com/Method/status/1411625901956210699
saw this multiple times today, they rly want to bank those for their rogues
teal bloom
2 tanks, 4 healers and 14 rogues? 
rapid flame
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r6escxq3Fez5DvBRxioGqC this feels like an awfully low sim D: anyone have recent sims of a decked out assa?
balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r6escxq3Fez5DvBRxioGqC this feels like an...
you turned off like half the buffs
wind totem
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u5djsLSfCQHwcupxPxVMzu
2 Heroic refers to 2x regular heroic ilvl dagger right? so in this case if you have 2 heroic ilvl daggers a single heroic sylv dagger is 400 dps. Am I reading this right?
balmy condor
2 Heroic refers to 2x regular heroic ilvl dagger right? so in this case if you h...
yes
wind totem
Alright thanks
rapid flame
even so, https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r6escxq3Fez5DvBRxioGqC i guess im just too used to my spriest sim, rogue is far from optimized, pretty low ilvl, 226 weapons, no sockets etc
balmy condor
that's the same link
balmy condor
some quick top gearing and now it's 820
but yeah
I mean you're 221 ilvl
and some of these items are pretty trash
actually feels pretty high for what you're working with
rapid flame
yeah xd idk im just waiting till wednesday, getting a new neck from the mega dungeon and just farm 229 pieces from m+ should well do the job
balmy condor
seeing hyperlight band always hurts me
arctic hare
YEOUCH
quaint carbon
Neck from mega still good even with nerf ?
balmy condor
Neck from mega still good even with nerf ?
"good"
arctic hare
??
balmy condor
what's "good" mean
rapid flame
it's rough, cause i've been playing spriest for the latter part cause we had way to many melee so never got to play my rogue, and guild was not to keen on me abandoning this character; https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3NHB7EPhH9CPe3bpKiwNRQ - i think i've convinced them now so just looking forward to obedience and dagger :))
balmy condor
it's better than a 230 crafted neck
arctic hare
My definition of good is worth using
balmy condor
that's an awful definition
arctic hare
Trueeee
arctic hare
Oh god
balmy condor
so not worth
rapid flame
it's a good alternative until you can enter new raid i'd reckon
balmy condor
and then it's like "ohhhhhhh but I'm not killing kelthuzad"
and we're just going in circles
willow eagle
Just kill kt
rapid flame
ok wait
i can get the 230 ring now with haste/crit right? put that bad boy on my rogue
willow eagle
Man they are compensating quite hard for all those mastery necklaces in castle nathria
balmy condor
i can get the 230 ring now with haste/crit right? put that bad boy on my rogue
ye
1 crafted item
they're unique
rapid flame
i should give it a couple of days i think lol, they're 130k on my realm wtf
arctic hare
Yeahhhhhh….
woeful wigeon
question is mechagnome high dps change instead of worgen as sub/sin rogue
woeful wigeon
10prim stqts vs 1%crit
strange comet
boiz hi ! im new to discord and i have a question:p its my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r7ysn3K4XRcVidYQrC1mme is there any way to see highest sims around as rogue to compare my sim results?
balmy condor
boiz hi ! im new to discord and i have a question:p its my sim https://www.raidb...
the profiles submitted are basically as high as you're gonna get
strange comet
ty Whispyr
floral vale