assassination

[sonic spire]

Just have 2 rogues and put one in each cov 😄

[oak sky]

Just go night fae no chance it gets nerfed

[faint harness]

you will get a free return anyway

[limber lion]

Might as well swap tbh

[faint harness]

at least if you dont have renown in venthyr yet

[obtuse ruin]

wish people lived hoping their covenant leggo will get a buff rather thatn the other one being nerfed

[oak sky]

Well they already killed deathspike so it makes sense people arent hyped on necro for the future compared to venthyr

[vestal wren]

sim:https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uUE4VSXyYYAttRiC8Y74tg

alright, this seems correct

lets compare to yesterdays numbers

[kind talon]

sheesh

[vestal wren]

thrill seeker is in the sim because fatal flaw depends on it

[faint harness]

so fatal flaw was oversimming

[vestal wren]

thats a ~2% damage loss

[vestal wren]

yes

[oak sky]

But wouldnt it be oversimming on sub as well

[vestal wren]

yes

[faint harness]

yes

[vestal wren]

but

[oak sky]

Didnt sub have similar numbers

[faint harness]

but sub 3 potency theotar was really close

[oak sky]

Oooohhhhh

[vestal wren]

as i mentioned, the 2nd best option for sub was very close

[oak sky]

Right

[kind talon]

ye

[obtuse robin]

so that real sim is 10.3?

[vestal wren]

this is why this is 5% now

[kind talon]

ye seems like it

[vestal wren]

not sure

[kind talon]

guess im learning sub

kekL

[vestal wren]

i need to make my combination sims

but it def. means that fatal flaw combinations are lower now

[oak sky]

Damn

[vestal wren]

well, i guess i need to re-run my soulbinds now too

[oak sky]

Sin aura buffs in 9.1.5 i guess

[vestal wren]

XD

[kind talon]

xd

[vestal wren]

bron also got some changes

so.. is there hope?

[modern heart]

no

[oak sky]

Fuck bron im not going kyrian

[dapper flint]

+1 D:

[oak sky]

I wont play what does the most damage

[rotund torrent]

sup guys, i saw so many rogues changing back to venthyr from necro

[vestal wren]

i noticed those 2

[rotund torrent]

whats new?

[vestal wren]

first one does sound like its lowering its value tho

[modern heart]

ventyr leggo does 👌 dmg

[vestal wren]

obedience is rly strong, thats why people atm switch to venthyr

but you probably can't craft it before mythic week

[rotund torrent]

obedience is a leggo?

[vestal wren]

yes

[rotund torrent]

hm

[vestal wren]

the covenant specific venthyr legendary

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[oak sky]

Imagine sin is scuffed like this and they nerf obedience

That would be depressing

[vestal wren]

it doesen't look this much better baseline tho

[modern heart]

boomies also have these kind of sims

but this is still without sylvana daggers

right?

[vestal wren]

but this is without soulbinds, they give obedience slightly higher value

[rotund torrent]

doomblade seems good tho

[nimble tartan]

!spreadsheet

!sheet

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

omr, i still need to finish updating it

and apperently need to re-run my soulbind sims -.-

[nimble tartan]

im just takin a lil peekie

[modern heart]

im going for rank 4 doom into 6 obedience if they dont change

[vestal wren]

i can do a "lets watch raidbots bars move together stream" XD

[modern heart]

hey, content is content

[nimble tartan]

people love sim content

[vestal wren]

haha^^

[obtuse robin]

i dont want to play sub

[vestal wren]

its unclear if you need to

[rotund torrent]

man, venthyr sucks for outlaw :/

rly sad to swap that

[vestal wren]

i was coloring it yesterdy

[faint harness]

you definitely dont have to play sub

[vestal wren]

and i was suprised how many good legendary items outlaw has

(dark red = very high, light red = ~5%)

[faint harness]

surprised?

[vestal wren]

yes

[faint harness]

its been like this since launch fuu

outlaw having all the good legendaries

[vestal wren]

i thought obedience was bad in dungeon slice

[obtuse robin]

im in a ce guild and sub is 600 dps higher atm (fuu still doing work)

if i want to be in raid im sub

[vestal wren]

but looking at the above it seemed strong

[faint harness]

sub also has 0 cleave

[vestal wren]

^

[faint harness]

so its not a given

thtat you play it

[vestal wren]

but thats also super visible in the spreadsheet

letme show you sth

[gleaming fable]

sims also aren't everything. sub is going to be punished hard if their cds get desynced from mechanics/mistakes. Assassin is much more forgiving in that regard

[vestal wren]

this:

the number seems a lot higher than on sin/outlaw

and thats only because the baseline is so much lower

[red bloom]

if you play assa way better than you play sub, pretty sure you pick what you can play

[vestal wren]

i did re-run this becuse i was thinking i made a mistake in imput

[faint harness]

nerf necro

[velvet holly]

Why are people worried about sub cleave? You legit just swap specs

[still canopy]

I'm tempted to switch venthyr too from necro but best bet is to wait for balancing. Similar happened with kyrian and sub

[vestal wren]

its sustained cleve, ofc necro gets a lot from that

[faint harness]

nerf it

[rotund torrent]

fuu you gonna play venthyr?

[vestal wren]

i switched to venthyr yes

[gloomy rose]

sims are nice and fun, but imo its very important to keep in mind that you are not slapping target dummy while having perfect timings and rotations, the actual dungeons and raids are rarely like that

[vestal wren]

even tho mainly because my gf kept nagging me to do so

after i explained her why its so good

[rotund torrent]

u do M+ as outlaw?

[vestal wren]

she was quite toxic

[kind talon]

LOL

[rotund torrent]

LOL

[gleaming fable]

mix maxer gf

[vestal wren]

nagging me with
"did you switch alredy" constantly
and "i thought you want to play a good covenant"
or "i thought you want to do damage"

[kind talon]

Kinda hot

Sheesh

[dry void]

fake

[gloomy rose]

you should have told her that venthyr while being better in sims is much more dependant on hitting that big flag while necro is much more consistent with various boss mechanics

[warped umbra]

fuu got 'obedience' early on lol

[umbral rapids]

LOL

[still canopy]

Did she flaggelate you?

[rotund torrent]

LOL

i think ill keep my SBS with my doomblade

[modern heart]

should I swap to Ventyr?

"I thought you want to do damage"

• Fuu's GF

[rotund torrent]

hahahah

[vestal wren]

i mean she did need to suffer through me bringing subtlety in 9.0.5

so i guess i deserve thaat

[oak sky]

Lmao

[soft shale]

[teal bloom]

My gf doesn't play wow but she knows what dps meter is

[modern heart]

yes you do

[soft shale]

dont worry sub was bae on 9.0

[still canopy]

My gf doesn't play wow but she knows what dps meter is
@teal bloom I see what you did there

[soft shale]

just kill denath beeefore 9.0.5 eez

[modern heart]

"honey come look at this, you see this meter? see how im on top?

thats how it goes for me

and he says "pog "aswell

she

[still canopy]

The one time it's good to draw aggro

[teal bloom]

I just want my gf to pog at my damage

[modern heart]

its a good feeling

[kind talon]

[modern heart]

[rotund torrent]

all u guys just switched to vent?

[oak sky]

I just want the boys to pog at my damage

[modern heart]

your dmg is poggers

[oak sky]

I was vent before and im gonna go back once i can

[kind talon]

“Hey babe, could you just do one thing for me, it’s all I ask… could you look at this meter and say ‘Poggers’ please babe”

[teal bloom]

I'll pog at your damage

[modern heart]

[oak sky]

Rogues gone wholesome

Pirates and ninjas and killers

Oh my

[rotund torrent]

only good ppls

xd

[modern heart]

my note is "upstanding honest non-abusive ethical rogue"

idk where I stole it from

[oak sky]

Ethical gamers only

[proud monolith]

we craft doomblade on cloak yes?

[modern heart]

[soft shale]

yeees

[lean zodiac]

is the ravenholdt guide updated atm? feels like its missing info

[balmy condor]

Would be surprised if any guide was already fully updated

Best bet would be like wowhead

But honestly doesn’t seem necessary

All the specs play the same they did before, just with bigger numbers

[vestal wren]

mystler has most stuff updated

but things in his guide will change with implementation changes or updates

[lean zodiac]

didnt play any rogue in 9.0 so learning still QQ mainly was just curious about how to keep snd up in aoe and shiv in aoe. didnt know if i envemon something for snd or just recast it

[balmy condor]

You want to avoid recasting snd at basically all costs

[lean zodiac]

so stop ruptures and just envenom when its about to fall

[balmy condor]

Yeah

In dungeons your first finisher is slice and then ideally you keep it up with envenoms till the end

[oak sky]

Such a great feeling to never press slice

[lean zodiac]

what about shiv? figured in smaller aoe its just rupture everything then ven+ shiv main target but wasnt sure if its a big pull and focused on ruptures

[oak sky]

You always shiv on cd

Aoe st whatever

[mossy crown]

and try and get as many envenoms out during shiv window

[balmy condor]

Well kinda

Depends on target count

In like 3 target with vendetta rolling, sure

In like 5 target

Just shiv and keep rupturing

[rotund torrent]

whispyr, u switch to vent?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[rotund torrent]

oh god, i think im the last necro on that world

[oak sky]

I dont want to give up on sin

But i definitely need to give sub an honest try

[mossy crown]

I just made the change prior as well

to necro that is

[gloomy rose]

I will stay necro for the time being, give it time before the dust settles and then maybe think about it, but I prefer lower cooldown - lower impact ability

[sterile umbra]

I swapped to necro just before 9.1 now im looking to swap venthyr... Tbf i dont really like sbs and since i have 0 renown with venthyr i might aswell catch it up with the penalty hotfix

[mossy crown]

well thankfully I have 40 renown with Venthyr so making the change back wouldn't be to bad

[strange python]

you're not 😄

[shut flame]

What's the go-to cov for m+ only?

[kind talon]

Venthyr

[crude stirrup]

Guys we still crafting Doomblades on Cloak?

[shut garnet]

probably best to w8 out mythic week before anything

cuz if obedience gets nerfed ur gonna want doomblade

if it doesnt, youre gonna want obedience right

and then assuming u already have doomblade on your gloves

[crude stirrup]

I mean im Necro lol

[shut garnet]

youre most likely not gonna get the gloves from hc and be too behind

ah lol ye sure then

[crude stirrup]

lol

[modern heart]

if you have enough soul ash you can just get rank 4 doomblade now and obedience after

[crude stirrup]

I recently changed my boomie to venth, i cant do another renown grind lol

[shut garnet]

insta assumption if i see a rogue its venthyr ngl

[crude stirrup]

lol, so on the Cloak?

[shut garnet]

correct

[crude stirrup]

Nice one

[kind talon]

If u get the gloves

It doesn’t matter unless u have the dom socket

But if u plan on optimizing for Dom socket

Then put on cloak

[spark patrol]

stack some soul ash before u get the gloves then recraft, maybe it will be nerfed by that time 🤣

[crude stirrup]

Is Obediance so strong they might nerf? i mean Boomies venyh lego is silly strong but doubt itll get nerfed

[kind talon]

Not rly

But ppl are kinda fear mongering

[gleaming fable]

I wouldn't be worried unless rogue ends up actually being too strong. Obedience might be what they tune down if that ends up being the case

[crude stirrup]

I dont think any will be getting nerfed for a while

[toxic root]

Playing rogue and being good as class is the most stressful thing

[shut garnet]

welcome to melee

[cobalt hemlock]

idk why ranged while having way easier raid and dungeon mechanics also need to be top tier all the time

[rustic whale]

hello do we have bis list for the moment?

[fallen arch]

No

[south belfry]

Infexious has bis list 🙂

[rustic whale]

any access to that list ? 😄

or do i have to stealth and pickpocket?

[fallow glacier]

Of course he does

[slim wagon]

but are you sure you want it? I can pull up 14 random items and there is a 50-50 chance they are better than his list

[south belfry]

But no dont look at bis lists

[rustic whale]

actually i m wondering which items are mandatory for unholy shards

KT Slv has shoulders and head

[slim wagon]

Well I mean all 5 domination sockets ? :p

[rustic whale]

yeah please

one thing confused my mind

some items saying blood shards some unholy

[azure bronze]

It works like this

You want to have the helmet with the unholy socket

[strange python]

See death knights specs apply to our gear now

[azure bronze]

So you are able to activate the bonus

So you put a unholy gem in that one and then 2 other unholy gems in any other slot and then the bonus will activate

[rustic whale]

so it does not matter if i put unholy gem into Chest item drops from banshee queen?

i gotta read the whole shard system from wowhead i see

[viscid spear]

Half my guild has prior commitments next week.

[placid dawn]

so, is necro stil considered "close" in ST to venthyr? seems like the difrerence is quite big

[shut garnet]

no its really not that close atm

venthyr + obedience seems to basicslly win everywhere now

[viscid spear]

I'll probably have to pug Normal ffs
I need to make sure I know wth I'm doing, but my guild being so lax is frustrating.

[shut garnet]

the pin just hasnt been updated in a while id guess

[placid dawn]

lets just hope they that for mythic week its a bit closer

seems like venthyr is very good for outlul aswell

[azure bronze]

The pin was updated 2 days ago with sims?

[fallow glacier]

If you’re guild and you don’t have similar goals, it’s usually best to look for a new one. After all, it’s a game where you’re meant to have fun, if you’re not having fun because you’re guild isn’t doing the content you want to do, it’s best for the both of you

[shut garnet]

i meant the pin that says necro and venthyr are close in st :’ D

[azure bronze]

Or do you mean the covenant recommendations part @shut garnet ?

[fallow glacier]

?

[shut garnet]

this @azure bronze

[copper sundial]

will we even be renown 48 by mythic week?

[shut garnet]

wrong tag egerton mb

[fallow glacier]

Ah, was confused

[tulip nacelle]

we're not sure yet, depends if the campaign will give renown

[azure bronze]

I think Necro still wins on like 2-3 targets if its sustained but that's about it

[shut garnet]

fuu posted this earlier

yea guess we’ll have to wait and see

[fallen arch]

Or maybe world boss that unlocks next week?

That will give the 3rd piece of renown a week

[tulip nacelle]

maybe

[shut garnet]

obviouslt dgslice isnt the most accurately mapped out sim ever so maybe in reality necro in keys is still more valuable

if u play assa zolduck

[viscid spear]

I can just pug higher stuff, I used to do it all the time bc my realm is pretty bad.

[azure bronze]

Is this all venthyr or is it like mixed?

[shut garnet]

im gonna assume its all venthyr

@vestal wren ?

[azure bronze]

No idea which sim dps number belongs to what covenant /soulbind other then obedience /deathspike

[shut garnet]

the sheet must be pinned somewhere im just blind

[azure bronze]

I only see whispyrs link

[placid rose]

do we know if the hotfix to get that one free factionchange is live yet?

[rustic whale]

you mean covenant switch?

[placid rose]

thats the one, runing on fumes and no sleep 😛

[rustic whale]

yeah i see , they said in a couple days probably tomorrow after next covenant assault

however its been 2 days since they said that

[vestal wren]

baseline uses necrolord, the covenant specific ones use the covenant as baseline

you can just type !fuu and go to the spreadsheet

[shut garnet]

tyvm

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[vestal wren]

atm updating it (also streaming that)

[sand tide]

!abb

[prisma monolith]

Rogue abbreviations: http://www.ravenholdt.net/rogue-abbreviations/

[azure bronze]

aight thanks Fuu!

[spice spire]

Yeah below you. Came back last year after a decade removed, so it definitely did change 😛

[hybrid cosmos]

whats ur twitch channel fuu?

[azure bronze]

Click on his name in the right tab and you can go to his stream

[hybrid cosmos]

ah mb thx

[strange python]

How does one balance gems and enchants if i prioritize outlaw over assassination?

[spark salmon]

https://www.bluetracker.gg/wow/topic/eu-en/292590-returning-to-a-covenant-you-left/ Is that live now? Or we still waiting

[thorny pond]

Just sim your outlaw profile and run those

The secondaries are close enough that the slight loss won’t be noticeable

[azure bronze]

still waiting

[strange python]

Okay cause most of my outlaw gear is vers heavy

But ur right

Prob negligible

[thorny pond]

That’s fine. Vers is a strong stat for the defensive utility

[spark salmon]

Hope it comes this week

[strange python]

Thanks

[lone minnow]

whats gonna be strongest for high keys?

[spice spire]

Strongest what? Spec? Covenant?

[south belfry]

I am the strongest 🙂

[distant cypress]

Bard class is strongest

[lone minnow]

SPEC

mb

[spice spire]

Outlaw or sub - I’d lean toward outlaw due to blade flurry though and the fact that they can cleave

Both look better than assassination in m+ at the moment

[gloomy rose]

what changed for sub so substantially that it should be better? I just know that the kyrian legendary is strong for them, is that it?

[spice spire]

Obedience, black powder buff and a few other things. They’re really pumping rn

[mossy mulch]

m+ outlaw > sub > sin

raid sub>sin > outlaw

raid late > sin > sub (probably)

now sub have better numbers, but sin have better performance in raid i guess

[hollow escarp]

how would that happen when the sims are with max ilvl and sub is ahead?

[spice spire]

We just say that we scale

[fallow glacier]

Sub is reliant on cool downs that can get cucked by mechanics

[spice spire]

But yeah, sub still has better numbers at max ilvl

[fallow glacier]

Hence sin typically being a better prog spec

[hollow escarp]

oh boy

[spice spire]

Downtime

[fallow glacier]

[buoyant mauve]

it was so nice seeing myself climb the dmg meters on shriekwing the longer the fight went thanks to downtime vs the other melee

[hollow escarp]

wait what?

[fallow glacier]

Poisoned knife better than shuriken throw

[mossy mulch]

sublety have better numbers in a simulation without mechanics...

[spice spire]

I think that’s a troll, koj

[mossy mulch]

sin have damage with mobility

[winged basin]

inb4 downtime comments start coming out

We get hurt by downtime too

[spice spire]

Yeah but so does sub? They have the same mobility. Our bleeds are something, but it’s not going to be the end all be all? We’re also hurt by mechanics and not hitting an enemy

[hollow escarp]

lack of skill hurts more than downtime

[winged basin]

Where did whispyrs pin go about this argument

It shut this down ez mode last time

[hollow escarp]

he realized he was wrong

[fallow glacier]

I need some solid numbers, poisoned knife or shuriken toss

[spice spire]

Oh no, the fuel

[magic gale]

do we have anything for shards?

[winged basin]

[mossy mulch]

you can have all your bleeds and poisons up and move to dodge or whatever, and sub only have rupture... Sub will have more damage in pure ST or Priority Target but doesnt have constant damage

So probably you will do more damage with sin in bosses without phases full ST

[winged basin]

wElL aCtUaLlY

[hollow escarp]

is sub's Rupture bigger than sin's one?

never really checked that

[silk thunder]

Size is not important. It's all in the application

[azure bronze]

it is cause assa mastery increases bleed/poison damage

[hollow escarp]

sub's mastery also increases finisher damage

[azure bronze]

I am assuming finisher damage only applies to evis/BP

maybe I am wrong

[hollow escarp]

it does

[modest jasper]

Well, shuriken has 4 pointy ends, dagger only one.
My vote is on shuriken

[spice spire]

I respect it

[royal lantern]

Bruh, sub has way more mobility lol

[dapper flint]

imo when you move away as sin - you only lose aa damage (and any excessive energy) - when you move away as sub you lose that + passive which regens cp (forgot the name), same as warriors, who lose rage regen

[royal lantern]

Sin mobility is REALLY mediocre

[hollow escarp]

envenom????

[dapper flint]

??

[royal lantern]

The downtime shit really infected peoples minds

Jesus

[lone summit]

🍿

[spice spire]

I know, I’m not trying to refute everything about this. Just the fact that you can even use this as an argument is wild

[hollow escarp]

you said we only lose autoattack damage, but what about envenom? which is quite often our highest damage dealer

[spice spire]

Between obedience and this people really on some hopium lately

[royal lantern]

Downtimes arw SLIGHTLY less shit for sin

SLIGHTLY

[spice spire]

Very slightly lmao

[royal lantern]

its nothing meaningfull

[winged basin]

Yeah brains on smol mode can’t seem to understand that moving away from boss = dps loss for everyone that’s not a ranged

[dapper flint]

well ofc both specs cant finish, so i didnt count it

[spice spire]

Garrote + DP ticks are about 800 DPS on ST

[hollow river]

If you’re not casting envenom

[winged basin]

[royal lantern]

Why do peoe act as if all melees lose 90%of their dmg from downtimes, but assa doesnt lose anything at all

[spice spire]

HUGE DOWNTIME GAMING

[hollow river]

That is down time

Envenom big dam

[sonic schooner]

Talking about downtime agane ?

[winged basin]

WHO KNEW leaving boss means you aren’t hitting boss so that means downtime for everyone not ranged ecks dee

Yeah we only talk about scaling, downtime and obedience nerfs here

[hollow escarp]

you can safely play assa without bringing the downtime argument, you will lose more damage if you play a spec that you are not familiar with to begin with

[dapper flint]

well shit i didnt know its forbidden to speak about it, sorry

[hollow river]

Range r poopoo

[opaque karma]

I cloak downtime

Never lose it

[dapper flint]

lets discuss scaling then

[spice spire]

It’s not, it’s been an argument recently that is justified of a fried take

[hollow river]

I fok down time

[hollow escarp]

ono

[royal lantern]

Garrote+rupture an enemy and stop doing anythib at all, thats the great "downtime" dmg sin does

[spice spire]

From the man himself

[sonic schooner]

Scaling is a myth, downtime is dogshit for every spec and every melee just he a SP at this point, and obedience needs to be buff over and over that's a dogshit legendary please

[spice spire]

Enjoy

[hollow escarp]

same, 8 yards is quite big

[sonic schooner]

Voilà

[hollow river]

You’re forgetting ct

Big dam

Creates up time

[royal lantern]

You forgot the most important thing: delete outlaw

[dapper flint]

but it is true that some melee specs suffer more from downtime than the others

%wise

[sonic schooner]

Outlaw 6 yards range = no downtime

[spice spire]

More sure, but the % is so little that it’s negligible compared to the skill of a player

[hollow river]

[winged basin]

I wonder how much I’ll get to post my copypasta today

[hollow river]

Make rogue ranged

[sonic schooner]

I mean u also forget that with downtime on sin u will have ro reapply 40 bleeds while sub will just go brrrr agane

U guys really struggle with downtime mecanix

[winged basin]

Hunter with extra steps

[opaque karma]

Actual image of yutero trying to talk in this group rn

[spice spire]

It’s not a good argument for any spec to be numerically worse but “better for prog” in the same class

[royal lantern]

I think most people mean stuff like sludgefist stomp as "downtimes"

Aka 6seconds

[odd hazel]

40 bleeds?

[royal lantern]

Where you bleeds did dmg 2x for 300 each

HUUUUGE

[sonic schooner]

Ok mb

2 ticks of rupture

[odd hazel]

you mean the 2 bleeds we use that you can easily work around to make sure they dont fall off during stomp

[dapper flint]

bring up a point = 'dude raise your skill, dont talk about obvious things'
well shit x2, guess im not hip enough

[sonic schooner]

Actually game breaker let's be honest

Nerf sinrogue pls but sub obedience

[spice spire]

That’s not what was said at all

[opaque karma]

Rogues get damage for the first time in ever? Better nerf

Becoming the Irelia of wow

[winged basin]

NOW THIS, THIS IS WHAT WE TALK ABOUT

[royal lantern]

NERF ROGUE

[spice spire]

No we don’t

[royal lantern]

DELETE OUTLAW

[winged basin]

[royal lantern]

As it should be

[spice spire]

Why is everyone going full ape

[odd hazel]

what the FUCK is going on this morning.

@vestal wren

help us

[spice spire]

He’s streaming

[winged basin]

It’s usually monkey mode in the morning

[royal lantern]

Its 2pm

Not morning

[odd hazel]

its 8am here

[royal lantern]

Eu is the real world

[spice spire]

EU gamer PepeLaff

[opaque karma]

We had a guy say words

[odd hazel]

sure did.

wasnt serious though, memein

[royal lantern]

Bruh, as if fuu can be annoyed

His programming didnt include emotions

[spice spire]

It’s true

[odd hazel]

i'd @ koffing if i was serious LOL

[spice spire]

[odd hazel]

he loves throwin those mutes or bans

[winged basin]

da ban hamma

[vestal wren]

whats the question?

[odd hazel]

i meant

HELP us

lol

[spice spire]

There wasn’t one, we’re early morning aping fuu 😛

Still streaming pulling a whispyr

[winged basin]

Ape strong together

[dapper flint]

maybe its me, sounded like if you bring up a not-so-important-aspect (i.e. downtime) - high chances for the discussion to become a clownfest. No offense, again, maybe its me salty in the morning

[odd hazel]

downtime isnt really a factor when we all have the same downsides really

sin just has a way of working around it to constantly deal damage

sub can be really bursty after each downtime but meh

[winged basin]

Because it’s a common conversation that comes up in the discord with smol relevance. Downtime hurts everyone pretty significantly, when your highest damage at the end of every fight as a rogue is Melee, downtime hurts ALL of us.

[hasty crater]

Dont let seliathan hear this

[odd hazel]

my damage every fight was literally

Evenom > melee

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[willow eagle]

If you get an orb in inerva your dps is gonna hurt regardless sin or sub or outlaw

[odd hazel]

^This

[dapper flint]

What i tried to bring - who loses more due to additional internal mechanics - outlaw loses restless blades, sub loses that-generation-passive, sin loses none

[winged basin]

Envenom goes brr, envenom is over melee, but still my point stands.

[odd hazel]

sin does lose a lot

saying sin loses nothing is just wrong

90% of our damage is white melee

[dapper flint]

'additional mechanics'

[winged basin]

Sin loses aa, envenom buff, EP if you are running it

[willow eagle]

A mechanic can really interrupt the flow of sins rotation

Like instead of slotting in 2 envenoms after a mechanic your busy reaplying rupture

[winged basin]

Everyone loses lol

[willow eagle]

Or garret

[sonic schooner]

Just use cloak and ask for a bop tbh

[dapper flint]

okay, seems like my point is lost, english is hard for me, gonna stroll away, good day

[little condor]

did you guys go necro?

[winged basin]

Negatory, I’m riding the vampire dream all the way til the end

[spice spire]

You’re speaking about resource management, but resource management isn’t damage. We do have decent resource management on the fly, with venomous wounds, but the damage is negligible. I wasn’t saying that YOU in particular also lacked skill. I was saying skill > 800 DPS we continue to have extra during downtime

[sonic schooner]

4 life

[hasty crater]

Only going necro if venthyr gets nerfed

[willow eagle]

Obedience dream let's go

[little condor]

does anybody know why wowhead wants different stats on obediance then haste/crit?

[sonic schooner]

sepsis BiS in 9.1.5

[spice spire]

Also sorry, driving to work if that doesn’t make enough sense or seems flame, I’ll look at it when I get there!

[hasty crater]

Cuz crit vers makes it rly good stats for 3 specs

[little condor]

ohh yea

true

[winged basin]

That was a good explanation quake gj

[odd hazel]

[viscid spear]

Do we have Sin strats and tips for the raid yet?

[odd hazel]

[hasty crater]

Hit buttons to deal dmg and do boss mechanics

[royal lantern]

do dmg, dont die

the strat that always works

[sonic schooner]

kill the boss before it kills you

100% success strat

[royal lantern]

shadowstep on warlocks if you get targeted by a aoe 1hit mechanic

[hollow escarp]

I think they meant as we had in the past, I remember for Antorus there was a post on ravenholdt.net with tips and tricks for each boss

like stuff you can cloak

[sonic schooner]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[hollow escarp]

where yo use cooldowns

[hasty crater]

On cd

[royal lantern]

cloak would need to work on the majority of mechanics again for that lel

[hollow escarp]

sludgefist says hi

[sonic schooner]

Waiting for evasion to work

[hollow escarp]

it works on bosses after tanks die

[hasty crater]

Not sure for sin but i progressed as outlaw it was also just on cd

[royal lantern]

denathrius hc kill week1 with evasion last man standing

[willow eagle]

Evasion in raids

[royal lantern]

ez

[sonic schooner]

Does evasion works on Hateful strikes mecanics? Like sludefist one?

[north pecan]

Is there any playbooks for Sanctum at the moment? Tips/tricks, talent setups or too early? I'm a sheep I need direction

[royal lantern]

raid isnt even out yet

[north pecan]

I realise that

[hollow escarp]

you could always just have a look at top logs to get an idea of what does damage on each boss

after raid is out

[willow eagle]

Those can be misleading tho

[hollow escarp]

ofc

[willow eagle]

Like the case with ghostly strike on outlaw

[hollow escarp]

but if you follow random stuff, you won't be able to innovate anyway

[odd hazel]

Ghostly is better though

[hollow escarp]

so might as well go for safe

[odd hazel]

By a very small margin

[willow eagle]

I think solo mentioned that gs pulls 300 dps ahead with more gear

Or something like that

Might be empowered conduits not gear that propels it

[hollow escarp]

also most new stuff is usually discussed in the rogue discord, so if you are to find a new tech that nobody is using, lurking around might help 🙂

[odd hazel]

Most people here use EP/Vigor because it’s Barry behind

Like some have it 5 or 10 behind

[slow tulip]

someone knows if the level 20 keys achievements for the portals are up this week or next ?

[willow eagle]

Yes

[hollow escarp]

they are available this week as well

[slow tulip]

based

i should do some then xD

[magic gale]

which shards should we use?

[hollow escarp]

do you get them all after you finish them or each one individually?

[azure bronze]

individually

[azure bronze]

For RAID 3 unholy gems and blood dps gem and frost dps gem

no idea what M+ might want

Since the 3 buff doesn't work outside of the raid/maw

[hasty crater]

They are up this week but i heard they will remove it

But I unkocked a couple, dont think we keep em

[fallow glacier]

Are the teleports account wide or just per character?

[azure bronze]

Per character

[hasty crater]

And wormhole+flying does the exact same thing but on a 15min cd instead of 8 hours so imo the teleporters are kinda useless

[slow tulip]

i have the eng wormholes and we'll have the flying so its not like its THAT useful really but still fun to have i guess

[hasty crater]

Nah i think they just gave the mythic plus community something to keep em happy. Its completely useless though

[slow tulip]

the CD is 8 hours

but if you do the dungeon it resets

xD

[umbral rapids]

XD

[tame moss]

so wondering about using the necro legendary

[odd hazel]

It’s bad

[willow eagle]

It's dead

[tame moss]

Do the extra targets apply the dot?

[still canopy]

A dead legendary for necro...seems fitting

[gusty mirage]

Yes

[tame moss]

So then it impacts cp generation

[spice spire]

They never replied to my thoughtful reply. Unlucky.

[gusty mirage]

Correct, it’s good for open world stuff

But it’s just behind all our other legendaries now to be worth it

[tame moss]

Surely for m+ it holds up fine?

[odd hazel]

Nope zold is better

[gusty mirage]

The pre-nerf one did

But this one you’re just operating at a loss

[tame moss]

What was the nerf? Maybe I’m still looking at the old version

[gusty mirage]

It shot 3 spikes

[spice spire]

They massacred our boy

Now it’s just 2

[tame moss]

Oh I did not see that

[gusty mirage]

Like in giga aoe packs I’m sure it’s still fine

But it’s dead outside of that

[thorny pond]

giga aoe Snado and BP is better lol

[gusty mirage]

Tru

[tame moss]

So if I use it once do I get… 4 combo points?

[gusty mirage]

Deathspike would still be super nice for open world stuff though tbh

[thorny pond]

Use what?

[tame moss]

Bone spike with leggo

[thorny pond]

Assume deathspike is dead

Like don't try to rationalize it

[gusty mirage]

First one I believe would give you 3cp

[tame moss]

Thanks for the tip but I’m still going to try to form my own opinion

[odd hazel]

[gusty mirage]

I haven’t tested the new one

[odd hazel]

Oof

[gusty mirage]

But I did test the pre nerf one in torghast

[thorny pond]

Okay my man. Ignore the sims, and people playing it on PTR showing it's dead

[gusty mirage]

And they really did massacre our boy

[haughty cape]

So we keeping Zoldyk M+ / Doomblade raid?

[tame moss]

I asked a question about cp generation you just responded ‘assume it’s dead’

[thorny pond]

Unless you are venth, yes

[gusty mirage]

Yeah unless you’re venthyr. Then you just play obedience

[haughty cape]

cool, necro 4evah 😛

[harsh anchor]

With the excessive amount of soul ash we can have now, don’t see an issue if someone wants to play around with it - although not optimal

[thorny pond]

Bone Spike itself is unchanged, the leggo does not affect it

[gusty mirage]

I miss fleshcraft guys

[haughty cape]

why making it on gloves? weren gloves domination socket?

(doomblade)

[gusty mirage]

You’d make it on cloak

[spice spire]

My victory March was glorious. So many fleshcrafts saving my life

[thorny pond]

In terms of how it interacts with CP

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

DoS has been great for Korthia

[gusty mirage]

Yeah it’s helped me get to some annoying treasures

Outside of the “no path available” garbage

[odd hazel]

I got all the chests in korthia feels nice

[gusty mirage]

As I watch a warrior heroic leap to it

[thorny pond]

shadow step to the people who did the hard work walking

ultra chad move

[gusty mirage]

I switched to sub for korthia stuff for that reason

[thorny pond]

I switched to sub because you 3 shot everything

[gusty mirage]

Double shadowstep + double door dash 4 ultimate 🧀

[thorny pond]

oh look Max at limit is playing a rogue

we're fucked boys

bad feelycraft inc

[spice spire]

He has been doing it lmao

He’s been playing a rogue since like 9.0.5

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah he was geeking out about sin in 9.0.5

[thorny pond]

yea but his YT vids get many more views than his stream during non-raid prog

[strange python]

Why does it matter max is playing rogue?

[thorny pond]

Same reason Infexious is hated around her

Feelcraft

[spice spire]

Different though

[thorny pond]

Max's opinion is more value

[south belfry]

Wtf is feelcraft

[strange python]

Ah

[spice spire]

Max doesn’t claim to be the end all be all knowledge, infexious does.

[spice spire]

X feels better therefore it must be better

[thorny pond]

but after his hot takes about cheat death and not using defensives, Im kinda soured on him

[spice spire]

Despite evidence otherwise

[strange python]

I've never heard of feelcraft, my bad guys. Lol

[thorny pond]

We have the best TC community so Feel(y)craft here is a real thing we have to contend with

[spice spire]

He thinks on a different level than most players. WF thoughts are very different from even CE thoughts or higher tier. Looking to maximize damage where necessary makes sense to him. And to the position he and his guild are in

[thorny pond]

I understand that. But andy at US 701 doesn't need to do that

[spice spire]

Not to say better or worse. In fact almost certainly worse for the average base as they don’t understand that

Hey we made the same argument! Haha

[spice spire]

No worries papi

[thorny pond]

Like I have no problem with his takes because they are right for his context

however, for the general pop who take what he says as how it should be across the board, I hate it

[spice spire]

But wrong at large. That’s where he and infexious differs. Infexious spreads his info for the masses incorrectly. Max tries to learn something for himself and the masses take that as law. It’s a really weird role to be in tbh

[gusty mirage]

Just take my approach and hate everyone @thorny pond

[spice spire]

Oxi 🥺

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

I am regarded as part of the toxic triumvirate here, yes

[spice spire]

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrowdedRelatedMoonPRChase-_F38rUtMKiTM8tkg

[gusty mirage]

It’s because all the toxic waste washes up on beaches

[thorny pond]

All yall who don't cut up your pop tabs

and who use plastic straws

I get it. I am depressed too and don't have much energy

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

Always cut the tabs all my homies cut the tabs

For the sea animals

[gusty mirage]

Do they still make those stupid fucking plastic rings for cans?

Bruh

[thorny pond]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yeah

[thorny pond]

All in favor of making our mascot for this channel Sea Turtles react with 🐢

[gusty mirage]

Imagine not being a weirdo who tears them just because you find it fun to do it

[spice spire]

Absolute apes too.
Know it’s hella off topic, but why that shit exists I’ll never know. Just put it in a box.

Yeah I just cut them. Want a 0% chance or anything getting stuck because of it

[thorny pond]

totally #off-topic but the ones around here are basically the same plastic that's around like electronics so you can't tear

[spice spire]

Can if you’re built different tho

[thorny pond]

I'm average on a good day

[undone eagle]

Guys, about the torment event, should it be visible somewhere on the maw map?

I cant find it at all

[spice spire]

It should randomly proc iirc

[undone eagle]

oh so i just need to be aware daily?

[spice spire]

Ye, but I’ve not done campaign at all so take what I say with a grain of salt

Because I’m not 100% sure but I’m pretty sure it’s aloof

[pliant nest]

from what ive heard it spawns every 2 hours (3pm 5pm etc)

[tight ginkgo]

heard a streamer say it was procing every two hours-ish, yea

[undone eagle]

aight thanks it shouldnt be hard to miss this event once a week lmfao

you got like 100 chances 😂

Regarding torghast, sadly I wasnt paying attention to my upper reach layer 9 where i got 2 stars only BUT on skoldus i gained 4 stars , does this mean my skoldus will be unolcked layer 10 meanwhile upper reach will remain layer 9 due to fail 4 stars???

or how does this work, they poorly described it imo

[arctic hare]

That sounds like something I’ll need to know too

[viscid spear]

From what I understand if you get a Flawless (5*) after the end boss you get a bonus floor.
Layer 10 opens for everyone next week.

[undone eagle]

Ohhh now I understand, I was wondering where can I find the cool torghast new mobs etc?

So basically you can meet them at the bonus floor?

[thorny pond]

token still breaking my shroud nice

[visual prairie]

what is max soul cinders in week 1?

[ebon patio]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[spice spire]

220- 280 some amount like that

[visual prairie]

i'm at 220, just trying to figure out what else there is

if anything

[spice spire]

I think I saw a quest for 10 cinders in some channel

But I’m kinda fried rn (long week, not anything else lol) otherwise I’d point in that direction

[visual prairie]

i think there will be another invasion starting today or tomorrow. that might be the rest

covenant assault. whatever it's called

[spice spire]

That’s probably it

[granite thistle]

Any Fallen Chargers in the chat?

[next dust]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow escarp]

it spawns once every 2 hours, next one is in 1h and 24 min

[spice spire]

Papa Kojack

[undone eagle]

cheers

[green obsidian]

👍

[spice spire]

[thorny pond]

Shutner down boys

[opaque tree]

What slots will obedience legendary be able to fill?

[thorny pond]

hands back

[small bramble]

do you guys think obedience will be nerfed?

[thorny pond]

we put on cloak

no

[azure bronze]

Nah probably not

[odd python]

i got 5 stars, did not open any bonus floor

[azure bronze]

max level is 9 this week

and then level 10 opens up next week and 11-12 most likely on mythic week

[spice spire]

50/50 shot

It either will or it won’t

[thorny pond]

yea, yes or no

lmao

[green obsidian]

[spice spire]

That’s as real an answer as you can get

Because who knows lmao

[thorny pond]

Ion doesn't even

Like it's not available

[acoustic tartan]

There's 3rd tier 'Box of Many Things' option that allows you to enter the Adamantine Vault or w/e when you 5 star, so the bonus level won't exist until you get that I think.

[oblique kiln]

Obedience over doomblade on back for venthir?

[thorny pond]

yep

[next dust]

What lege for necro assassination guys?

[thorny pond]

doomblade for raids

zolds for M+

[soft shale]

@undone eagle its a random drop from the treasure invasive mawshroom

you can loot 5 rooms eevery day in different parts

[spice spire]

Beach is correct

[next dust]

@thorny pond will assa be viable in mythic plus?

[south belfry]

Yes and is

[thorny pond]

Yea

[spice spire]

Viable, yes. Top dog? Far from it

[thorny pond]

It was strong last patch for off meta spec

[spice spire]

But definitely fun and viable

[thorny pond]

But we exist as the same class with Outlaw

[next dust]

Thanks a lot, I’ve never speced anything besides outlaw

[thorny pond]

so optimal I can't so yes

[next dust]

New player here

[thorny pond]

M+ meta will still be OL>Sub>>Sin more than likely

Far cry from saying sin will be bad, in fact it will be good

Just the other 2 are that much better

[next dust]

But can always have outlaw for mythic and sin for raids

[thorny pond]

Absolutely

That's a popular setup in the community

[next dust]

What about pvp for assa

[thorny pond]

seems to be the same

strong

[next dust]

What legendary would you recommend

[thorny pond]

#pvp for those questions

[next dust]

Ah okay

[thorny pond]

I'm a PvE hero and so is most of the chat

[next dust]

1 final question

How should I gear assa? Should I wait for next week ?

[thorny pond]

Whatcha mean? Legendary wise or?

[next dust]

In general since I have never speced into it and only got gear for outlaw

[thorny pond]

Your outlaw gear will suffice

[granite thistle]

If you get crit haste gear keep it

[thorny pond]

just get some daggers and start having at it

[spice spire]

Gears similar enough secondaries don’t matter. Haste and crit are too, vers isn’t bad, avoid mastery. Couple daggers and boom

[thorny pond]

Piece together a second set as it comes together, can safely craft your zolds at this point

[spice spire]

You got it

[opaque tree]

Okay, will put on cloak. If you don't mind me asking though, why cloak instead of Hands??

[thorny pond]

The difference between my top secondary and bottom is .2 DPS. So hardly a big swing even if you're poorly optimnized

[next dust]

daggers from mist are fine? @thorny pond

[thorny pond]

yea those are considered best from dungeons

new raid ones will be better tho

[spice spire]

Stat weight simming

[next dust]

thanks for the help guys

[thorny pond]

To show a point

not to take for gear

[spice spire]

I know, it’s a meme friend

[thorny pond]

oh

lol

[plain thistle]

are fine if you dont follow like a religion

[thorny pond]

that meme

[plain thistle]

🙂

[spice spire]

Also you have to have like 0 vers

[ruby birch]

Mastery is actually good in aoe

[spice spire]

For vers to be that high

[thorny pond]

I use it to show new people that secondaries are secondary to agility and weapon ilvl

[thorny pond]

I have almost none

[plain thistle]

yeah, its fine to get a general idea

[spice spire]

He was talking about in raid 😛

[visual prairie]

hands will have a domination socket from raid gear

so dont' want legendary there

[opaque tree]

A domination socket? Sorry, just now returning after 6 months, basically got to 60 and took time off.

[ruby birch]

It's a socket with weird powers

[opaque tree]

Is that just a socket to put like a powerful gem?

ahh k

[visual prairie]

raid gear has special domination sockets on 5 pieces. yeah

[ruby birch]

If you played mop

[spice spire]

I’d look at some guides for 9.1 then!

Big change 🙂

[ruby birch]

It's like Sha touched items

But with more uh

Shadowlands themed borrowed powers

[opaque tree]

well that's cool! Are they made from jewel crafters, or drops?

[ruby birch]

Drops

[raven vapor]

easiest way to explain it would be to say it's a tier set :p

[opaque tree]

okay, sounds fun

[raven vapor]

and legendaries go on other slots

[ruby birch]

It's not a tier set

Tier sets are in 9.2

[raven vapor]

i know, but treat it as if it was

[ruby birch]

This is a one patch long temporary power

[raven vapor]

and don't put other items in those slots

[ruby birch]

Ty blizz

[visual prairie]

it's effectively one. you're locked into raid gear in those slots

[hollow escarp]

they said tier sets in 9.2

[opaque tree]

so do you have to have multiple gems in those sockets to get the powers, or like after you have 2 etc, you get a power?

[visual prairie]

each gem is decent boost. when you get 3 of same type you get another bonus

[raven vapor]

theres three types of gems, you match 3 for a set bonus and then throw another two in the other items

5 gems in total

[ruby birch]

It's one gem per item with a socket, but if you have enough items with sockets u get bonuses

[opaque tree]

nice

[raven vapor]

set bonus is only active in the raid though

[visual prairie]

and torghast and maw

[ruby birch]

And the maw

No clue why but

You know

[opaque tree]

yeah that's strange

[visual prairie]

some nonsense story about the energies of the maw power the gems

[ruby birch]

Shadowlands design choices

[visual prairie]

i would imagine

[ruby birch]

Are beyond our imagination

[spice spire]

Something something lore

[opaque tree]

like benthic gear or whatever from nazjatar

[ruby birch]

Lore yeah okay

You're gonna be doing SD in 9.2

What fucking lore

[spice spire]

SD has plot armor XD

Eternal Kaal

Even though she’s dead..

[ruby birch]

None of the lore in SL makes any sense

NF do a whole ass quest line telling you that elune will control people blah blah blah

But with miss angry night elf she dips

But anyways, I said this over a month ago and I'll say it again

Maw touched gems and sockets are the China Town version of Sha touched gems and sockets

[hollow escarp]

so you want them to remove SD from the game because we killed Kaal in nathria?

[hollow river]

Yep

[ruby birch]

No but like lore doesn't hold up for so many game design choices

[opaque tree]

who is this SD?

[ruby birch]

Why does it affect our gems

[fallen arch]

Yes please

Trash dungeon

[ruby birch]

I like SD

It's easy to time

[hollow river]

It’s a good dungeon but a pain the the arse

[ruby birch]

There's so much time for that dungeon

[fervent rune]

Do we know which bosses drop our gear with domination sockets? And if it would be better to only have 3 sockets for the bonus and fill the other slots with higher Ilvl gear?

[spice spire]

It doesn’t at all
Just a generic excuse lmao

[ruby birch]

But like

[fallen arch]

It’s the most failed dungeon in SL

[gusty mirage]

I'd like them to remove SD because the dungeon fucking sucks, but the kaal dying in nathria reason makes more sense lore-wise

[ruby birch]

Shadowlands makes me want corruptions back in my life

[fervent rune]

Since I’m guessing some drop from the last couple bosses

[hollow river]

Check the raid journal

[spice spire]

Don’t

[gusty mirage]

[hollow river]

Or check wowhead to see what boss drops what

[ruby birch]

Corruptions were fun idc

They literally just were

8.3 was the only fun part of BFA

Was it unbalanced? Yeah

[gusty mirage]

[ruby birch]

But it was fun

[gusty mirage]

Why must you hurt me like this? @ruby birch

[ruby birch]

Was it fun when I got avoidance 6 weeks straight? No

But when I got gushing

[hollow river]

You probably wanna stack full gemmed gear but obviously higher ilvl will be better. Not including your 3 dps gems tho they could be better than higher gear we don’t know yet

[spice spire]

Prenerf™️

[ruby birch]

But it was actually fun LOL

[slim wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-right-you-know-morgan-freeman-he-is-right-gif-9789067

[ruby birch]

Even post nerf gushing was disgusting

Bfa made you feel overpowered

At the end

Also sorry but

[fervent rune]

Yeah because it might be a while till some of us get dom socket drops from last couple bosses

[ruby birch]

The awakened affix

Was fucking lovely

No affix will ever be that good

[visual prairie]

dom gear

[fervent rune]

Damn feel bad for the cloth guys

[ruby birch]

Cloth wearers

[visual prairie]

or good

if they progres.. they get highest ilvl in slots tha thave to have raid gear

[normal plaza]

is Worth go necro frist week to farm M+ better then swap to Venthyr for raid or nvm?

[woeful orbit]

if youre not JPC, not worth

[fervent rune]

That’s true as long as your guild gets CE early

[ruby birch]

It's okay I only have like 14 leather wearers in my group

No biggie

[arctic hare]

Does anyone have that link to what ilvls the new 9.1 gear will be?

[visual prairie]

add 26 to anything in 9.0

[arctic hare]

Oh, good point

Thanks lol

[muted jewel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nNlOWYmfKeyD8SVp4Fe82Hc6m8DCTtbO0tfX8GWttuk/edit#gid=1110236289

[arctic hare]

Thank ye kindly

[hollow river]

So do we get a free cov swap?

Or we still waiting

[tired talon]

so i was looking at sims and it looks like assa is simming higher in dslice than outlaw, do you think assa will be the dungeon meta this season?

[gusty mirage]

no

it'll still be outlaw

[hollow river]

Outlaw>sub>sin

[echo geyser]

Usually we say dont look at numbers for dslice, doesnt that also mean cross spec comparing?

[gusty mirage]

^

[tired talon]

i know that dslice was bad for bfa but havent run much in shadowlands so i wasnt sure if it was a good source of info now, thanks

[gusty mirage]

Outlaw will always be better because:

• on demand cleave without needing to set anything up for it
• gouge
• acrobatic strikes makes life significantly easier

dslice is good to figure out which gear set up will perform better in dungeons

[thorny pond]

unfort but true

[gusty mirage]

but not much else to read from it tbh

[echo geyser]

Yeah even if sub was doing higher dslice i doubt itd perform better in lets say ToP

So its just gear optimization

[soft shale]

it all ends up on what your team needs for the key

[gusty mirage]

^

[soft shale]

ToP is quite funny beecausee you can speed run the good buffs

and sub with 16% crit is nutty

[tired talon]

do you think sub will be better for specific keys? like higher target ones?

[soft shale]

but hey assa and outlaw are no slouches either

sadly uncapped classes will have our number this seson

[echo geyser]

For bigger aoe for sure

The main weakness of sub is low target cleave and also just u have to pick between aoe or st u cant have both unlike outlaw

Shuriken storm black powder spam or Evis

[gusty mirage]

imo dps wise, assuming 8 targets, sub will win every time

[fallen arch]

Definitely

Especially of targets die rather quickly

[tired talon]

so im guessing necro outlaw is the safe bet for keys then? im gonna be running with a bear in prolly the low 20s range and i just wanna figure out what would be best for my group

[fallen arch]

Probably yes

But damage wise Sub will be close I think

[tired talon]

ye but isnt necro sub bad?

[fallen arch]

As long as they dont make gouge baseline outlaw will always be favored

[fallen arch]

So that means venthyr

[tired talon]

even over basically free cheap shots?

[fallen arch]

If u plan on playing sub

Don’t think you can call those free

[odd hazel]

People playing outlaw for gouge

Oof

[fallen arch]

I don’t

[tired talon]

isnt the first one of dance free then the rest are like 30 energy?

or am i missing something?

[fallen arch]

Cooldown isn’t short enough

[spice spire]

Extra CC very good, DRs on stun make it objectively worse there’s reason for it

Couldn’t be me doing my shitter 17-18s but

[final sky]

do i want to be making doomblade for raid still?

[spice spire]

If you’re non venthyr yes

[fallen arch]

Gouge is an extra interrupt on 15 sec cd

With no DR

[final sky]

which slot do i want it in? at the moment i have zoldyck on legs

[fallen arch]

Cloak

[spice spire]

Doomblade goes on the back so we don’t mess with domination sockets

[final sky]

alright ty

[spice spire]

Any time best of luck papi

[final sky]

ill need a cloak tho so im guessing i should get a korthir one, how would i get that

[glossy jay]

do nightborne racials benefit sin rogues at all?

[odd hazel]

????

[odd hazel]

What are their racials?

[teal bloom]

nature damage is magical damage so nightborne has some benefits but it's second worst assa race according to herodamage

[spice spire]

Need like a cloak to craft the legendary? Just the normal r4 works

[teal bloom]

but it doesn't really matter what race you are in the end

[final sky]

wait sorry ill need pants, because otherwise i cant equip my doomblade

[spice spire]

Yeah yeah

It’ll come eventually

Or you’ll get it in m+ or something 🙂

[glossy jay]

appreciate the help 🙂

[final sky]

thanks 😄

[spice spire]

Good luck

[gusty breach]

hello everyone, where can i see weak auras suggested? if there is any

had to do a clean install, so everything is gone , much appreciated

[spice spire]

!wa