assassination

[royal cliff]

yeah totally, if your guild is hitting 2% on a boss routinely with a burn execute phase

[thorny pond]

so yea

[simple wadi]

Like wiping burn phase for eye (I don’t suspect this will happen) you would want Zold

[royal cliff]

you still may get more value from zold

[tulip halo]

Ok

[thorny pond]

The problem with zold is until you start reaching that point in fights, it's a dead leggo

[simple wadi]

In general doom blade will be really strong if you aren’t super undergeared as a guild (ie top 100 prog)

[tulip halo]

Ye true that beach

[thorny pond]

and even then the last 30% is often fraught with Single target and lust

where doomblade gains MORE value

[royal cliff]

yeah then it becomes a factor of how long do you stay in that execute burn

if you can pump a shitton of full bleed envenoms into something, doom is still prob stronger

[thorny pond]

It was big for sire because adds got value from it +P3 was the hardest part and it was basically all Zold range

[alpine latch]

So there's an item that bumps up your conduits to 226? Is that for all conduits, random ones, or specific ones?

[thorny pond]

Same as prior

SO random

[alpine latch]

fuck

[tulip halo]

Ok

[south belfry]

Not to 226, just 1 rank up

[alpine latch]

I thought you could boost them all to 226 THEN you could only get 1 rank at a time

[thorny pond]

Good news is, you can "farm" them

[alpine latch]

Guess not

[tulip halo]

So basicly just need to see how 9.1 mythic willl require burning....

[gusty mirage]

that would make more sense

[alpine latch]

Can we? Do the new item levels drop from m+ this week?

[gusty mirage]

but this is blizzard we're talking about @alpine latch

[alpine latch]

lol right?

[winged basin]

Somebody said Zold for prog earlier so that’s probably why the question comes up

[thorny pond]

Zolds seems behind. If you are trying to make an argument for it, the fights aren't really demanding that damage profile

Often times more overall damage is just better than execute damage

[gusty mirage]

Zold's only useful in prog if you're missing a DPS check boss

and need more execute damage

[thorny pond]

especially if you have SPriest and DPS warriors

[tulip halo]

Well in 9.0 we got to sludgemythic and dmg wasnt rly an issue ever....

[gusty mirage]

yeah exactly

[tulip halo]

Ppl just failing on chains n shit

Back for doom and leg for zold... and prioring doom for now inguess

Thx all :)!

[gusty mirage]

[mossy python]

If you are venthyr ? You dont ask the question, the choice is obedience right ?

[gusty mirage]

correct

[gleaming jackal]

sub or assass for prog?

[mossy python]

assa

[winged basin]

Whichever you enjoy

All specs are pretty viable

[gleaming jackal]

ill stick to assass then

[hot helm]

how long does it take to farm 40 if we swapped now?

[gusty mirage]

world boss is dropping 3 renown

if you're sub 40

[winged basin]

Sub >= Sin > Outlaw

[gusty mirage]

so super quick

[mossy python]

few days

[ashen creek]

Made this gear slot breakdown for looking at early gearing strategies and what slots you'll be saving for stuff. Purple represents higher ilvl from kel'thuzzad / Sylvannas while red are boe's to go for early.

[hot helm]

so venthyr is optimal for sub/assa? is it a throw to play necro assa/sub, or just minimal?

[thorny pond]

Necro sub is not great

[winged basin]

^

[hot helm]

is swapping back still 2 weeks time-gated?

[gusty mirage]

yeah, but there's a hotfix coming that'll be instant

one time

[fallen arch]

I just swapped back from necro to venthyr and I fucking hate it

[hot helm]

oh shit? really?

[gusty mirage]

ngl me too

[hot helm]

whats the feel with venthry?

[fallen arch]

Sbs feels so much better in keys

As sin

[gusty mirage]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-hotfix-to-easily-rejoin-old-covenant-one-time-use-323149

[crisp steppe]

@gusty mirage can u farm the world boss repeatedly

[gusty mirage]

no just once per week

[crisp steppe]

Kk ty

[hot helm]

thats so sick

[gusty mirage]

[inner temple]

really liking sbs too 🙂

[royal cliff]

Yeah honestly I've been everything, and venthyr in m+ felt so god awful that I'm fine with taking a slight single target hit to have SBS

[gusty mirage]

I just miss fleshcraft

it's very apparent that I'm missing it now on bursting week

[hot helm]

sbs doesn't feel super good in pvp though

[fallen arch]

I’m venthyr for prog and then straight back to necro

[inner temple]

fack that oz, staying necro until heroic week tuning happens lol

[long furnace]

yeah just switched to ventr and m+ feels so much worse

[fallen arch]

Only matters if you care about pvp

[fallen arch]

Me too, but losing sbs feels like giving up a kidney

[long furnace]

and the shield was cool also 😦

[gusty mirage]

I didn't dare try assassination as venthyr in m+

lmao

[inner temple]

fleshcraft is at least useful, door feels like a wasted ability

[gusty mirage]

that's because door sucks

it doesn't feel like a wasted ability it's just bad

lmao

[inner temple]

meaning its wasted because i dont use it lol

[gusty mirage]

so your feelings are 100% reflective of reality

yeah I don't blame you

1s cast to move 40 yards on a class that has a caked in movement speed increase

[thorny pond]

If it was instant...

[inner temple]

yeah instant & i would change my tune in a heart beat

[hasty crater]

Its a little bit further mage blink with a long cast time lul

[gusty mirage]

like it has some cute niche uses

[shadow pivot]

instant would be busted

[gusty mirage]

but like bruh

there was a soulbind ability in beta that made it instant iirc

and that was quickly changed lol

[shadow pivot]

was instant on ptr at first if i remember correctly

*beta

[inner temple]

yeah it was

[hasty crater]

Would it be ? Night fae have like instant blinks

[shadow pivot]

defo not 40yards tho

[hot helm]

do you think obidience will get nerfed like kyrian in 9.0?

[royal cliff]

their blink also still goes through effects

[hasty crater]

But they have 4. We get 1 then

[royal cliff]

an instant teleport is diff than an instant blink

[spice spire]

50/50 shot. It either will or it won’t

[winged basin]

Anything is possible youngling. Welcome to Blizzard, they will have their fun rader out lol.

[long furnace]

hope we wil get rewarded for being obedient vent bois

[hasty crater]

Said this in sub, a covenant specific legendary that is bis in dslice and st for all 3 specs is bound to be nerfed most likely

But you never know, maybe we get lucky

[long furnace]

i kinda dont understand why the convent legendaries arent bis

whats the point of making them?

[spice spire]

They said the same about Doomblade.

I’ve read this argument for four days straight

[winged basin]

TRUE

[spice spire]

I’d rather just not

[hasty crater]

Doomblade is assasin only tho

[winged basin]

BIG TRUE

[hasty crater]

Obedience is 3 specs

[gusty mirage]

never

[winged basin]

Quake, the party never ends 😉

[gusty mirage]

At this rate, it'll be 10.0 and people will still be speculating an obedience nerf

[gusty mirage]

[thorny pond]

I'm emotionally ill

[gusty mirage]

you too?

[copper sundial]

hmm would you run a heavier vers build with obedience?

[thorny pond]

Always have been

[spice spire]

But in all seriousness. It doesn’t matter, if it happens, it happens, if it doesn’t it doesn’t

[crisp steppe]

U would sim it @copper sundial

[fallen arch]

It does matter to me

Why let me play fucking vampire to be relevant while I actually just want to be a stinky boy

Of they nerf obedience I’m gonna be super pissed

[winged basin]

a stinky boy

[spice spire]

That’s actually not a bad question. I wouldn’t think so. An influx of vers every minute and a half would work like the haste where you’ll eventually get some DR and other stats jump.
But it should be a sim question/answer

[winged basin]

Ecks dee

[spice spire]

Free transfer back for this reason tho

It’s a w in the end regardless

[winged basin]

^

[fallen arch]

Yea at least there’s that

[spice spire]

Either you get a busted covenant, or you can swap back like nothing happened

[winged basin]

How does that work if you already have the first quest to swap?

[copper sundial]

honestly if you're 40 on both its not a big deal changing over

[gusty mirage]

I'd assume you drop the quest

and just talk to the npc

[spice spire]

Yeah I’m not sure Zaey

[winged basin]

Cause i already turned in first weeks

[gusty mirage]

oh then I'd just do the quest and bank the freebie

[fallen arch]

Ye

[winged basin]

Just gotta wait til Tuesday to be vampire boi again

[spice spire]

I’m gonna do the quest and bank the freeb for a potential swap back

[chrome widget]

Same thinking I'm leaving necro to go venth right now then bank freebie

[winged basin]

Yeah that’s my plan

[small island]

whats this freebie u are talking about?

[spice spire]

I think that’s the play. And venthyr isn’t bad at all. Flag is a super good ability. Door of shadows vs fleshcraft is just unlucky

[winged basin]

Venth m+ isn’t as bad as it’s being made either

It’s not sbs

[spice spire]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-hotfix-to-easily-rejoin-old-covenant-one-time-use-323149

[winged basin]

But it’s still not horrendous

[trail mica]

Flag actually feels like a rogue ability

like a pretty nice cooldown

[fallen arch]

It just feels suboptimal when you are used to playing necro

But ye it’s fine I guess for the time being

[long furnace]

sbs is just a super cool ability

[fallen arch]

Looking forward to playing it with obedience. Gonna be sweeet burst windows

[trail mica]

i played with it a lot on the ptr, with obedience it feels like a combustion. you destroy everything for 15 secs

[winged basin]

Yeah not bad at all. I gotta say after raiding last night I did like the gemstone window gameplay from necro

[trail mica]

even as an outlaw it feels like a big cd

[arctic hare]

So obedience feels like a combustion? Despite the fact that Idk what combustion feels like, seems interesting enough

[fallen arch]

Yeah Haventf felt it but I would guess it must feel like that

[spice spire]

Not quite

Burst wise, probably

Mechanics wise, bit less 😛

[fallen arch]

Nah, combustion has you frantically trying to get as much casts in a single window, so not really the same

[trail mica]

combined with AR and BS roll, its like you are on steroids

[arctic hare]

Oh, whereas with our haste we’re fine in that 15 second window

[long furnace]

can u go above 100% haste? i had 99% with the cube

[winged basin]

Combustion is a dance, Obedience Flag is a dance but you are break dancing with a dagger in both hands, one in the mouth, and your buttcheeks holding another on some roronoa zoro type shit

[arctic hare]

lol

Soooo

More fun?

I haven’t played fire mage lol

[spice spire]

You can. Unsure how you could now. But in 8.3, I’d regularly go to 138 with galecaller’s

[trail mica]

30% haste and 30% vers for 12-15 secs

when it lines up with Thrill from nadjia its like 50% haste and 30% vers

[arctic hare]

Wait, I’m sorry, 30% haste?

[fallen arch]

We dont do that rng crap here tho

[arctic hare]

And vers?

Okayyyyyy, yeah, now I see why its so much better than the others

I’d love to have 15% DR

[trail mica]

Stats on my shitty PTR rogue

with obedience flag

[arctic hare]

Scary

Very scary lol

[spice spire]

[arctic hare]

Does it make you feel like a DH in bfa?

[gusty mirage]

wdym that looks fine

[arctic hare]

When you stacked vers as hard as you could?

[trail mica]

shitty as in 205 ilvl

i think

[arctic hare]

Humanzd, think about what it’d be like with hero?

If its flat 30% you’d go over 100%, and trust me, one you hit that point, there is no going back lol

Think I’ve only ever done that in torghast or something, but its still absolutely ridiculous

You know the torghast power where it gives adrenaline rush, vendetta and shadow blades?

Once you hit 100% haste with that, there is absolutely no way you’re gonna be able to spend too much energy

[terse talon]

sry for very noob question, but I have googled but couldnt really find a good answer... I just got vent and renown 42 but on the vent campain ive only got 9/10 completed.

[arctic hare]

I think rogue might be my favorite class to play in torg

The new campaign part is availble next week isn’t itv

?

[trail mica]

after playing my havoc and prot pala i can safely say that i despise rogue in torghast...

[terse talon]

ok so its supposed to be 9/10 then ^^^just making sure so I dont have it bugged

[trail mica]

those two pull everything and just mow down

and my brand new monk literally dances through torghast with 1 anima power

[arctic hare]

Oh?

Hmm

[trail mica]

you spam heal

and you do aoe dmg

[arctic hare]

I haven’t played havoc in here

[arctic hare]

Fistweaving?

[trail mica]

it stacks

just spam vivify

[arctic hare]

That, is scccccccccary

[gusty mirage]

pull 35k dps just spamming vivify

its hilarious

[arctic hare]

Hahahah, absolutely beautiful

[inner temple]

my other char is boomy, rogue is dog shit for torghast :/

[lost wharf]

What does "No Sylv dagger" mean in the pin? Is it not simmed or is it not good?

[trail mica]

rogue is literally the worst torghast class in my experience

[inner temple]

not simmed

i dont know of a worse one, maybe doing it as a holy priest

[lost wharf]

Ah okay

[spice spire]

It was added back to PTR literally last night

[violet hemlock]

isnt mage pretty shit for torgast

[lost wharf]

Yea, but then you can atleast respec 😄

[inner temple]

lol true

nah mage is fine

[long furnace]

yeah i tried 4 classes and rogue is the worst for sure

[spice spire]

Rogue isn’t even that bad

Past 200 it’s pretty easy to do an 8 now

[winged basin]

Yes

[grim jay]

arcane is great

[winged basin]

^

[shadow pivot]

for 9.1 thorgasts and doing 4+stars rogue doesnt feel good

[inner temple]

rogue is "fine i'll do this if i have to", not saying that its hard @spice spire . saying that its not fun.

[shadow pivot]

but being able to just stealth through content kill only bosses and get your soul ash in 5min is the best

[trail mica]

rogue is one of the few classes in torghast that can't just steamroll

[inner temple]

yeah

[fallen arch]

Hate torgy on rogue

Chore

[long furnace]

People genrally hated thorghast so they fixked it by making you full clear it 😄 fking sadists man

[fallen arch]

Can’t find the fun in there

[arctic hare]

lol

Wait, they really went through with the full clear crap?

[violet hemlock]

well u dont need to for soulash

[arctic hare]

But for the so called box of many things???

I haven’t been able to play just yet, so I’m basically blind until the raid

[warped moon]

trying to 4+ star a run is shit as a solo rogue but gotta say stealthing thru to last boss and just running at it over and over is pretty efficient soul ash farm

[arctic hare]

Not getting back till the 6th, so I’ll have exactly one day to prepare lol, well, maybe not

[arctic hare]

I keep seeing a 4 star reference, what the heck is a 4 star?

[lost wharf]

Box of many things is just a tree for torgast. It doesn't seem too OP.

[arctic hare]

Hmm, good to know

[inner temple]

it def has some nice things on it, didnt look enough to say "OP or not"

[lost wharf]

You get graded now when you finish a run (how fast you were, how much of each floor you killed, etc.) and you need a 4star+ grade to unlock the next layer.

[arctic hare]

You’re kidding me…

[long furnace]

😄

[lost wharf]

Not the next floor... Like you do all 5 floors and get graded at the end.

[arctic hare]

5 floors

[lost wharf]

Yea, they reduced it to 5

[arctic hare]

Oh, right, they changed it

[inner temple]

the best fucking part lol

[arctic hare]

lol, true

[inner temple]

feels like it really made a huge difference too

[long furnace]

yeah 1 floor less that is the only cool thing 😄

[hot helm]

wait so with the new returning to covenant change - can we swap back and forth now? or is it just moved from 1 week transfer from 2 weeks?

[arctic hare]

But still, to get to the next layer I have to get “4 stars”?

[lost wharf]

Yea, I personally didn't find it too hard once I managed to figure out what gives points

[arctic hare]

I shall have to figure it out then lol

[lost wharf]

I only got it on my 3rd try tho.

[inner temple]

dratnos has a video breaking it all down

what gives what score*

[arctic hare]

I’ll, try to watch that

[worn panther]

Nah, you can transfer again cost-free. basically they reseted everything. so you can just swap one time for each

[lost wharf]

I also found a bug(?) that got me free score, Idk how much tho

[arctic hare]

lol

Nice

[violet hemlock]

I got 4 stars first try... 5 is hard tho

[west cove]

do we need 5 star to unlock layer 10?

[steel bane]

do you gain anything for going 5?

[odd hazel]

why do peoplel ove dratnos here

[hot helm]

can we swap twice in a week?

[lost wharf]

You only get more tower xp

[odd hazel]

in order for the vault you need a 5

[violet hemlock]

Adamant Vaults unlock

[dry copper]

160 score to unlock

next level

[lost wharf]

The adamant vaults are just cosmetics tho, if I read that right

[arctic hare]

I definitely don’t love dratnos

[odd hazel]

you get sockets from them too

[dry copper]

adamant vaults can drop the conduit upgrades/sockets

[odd hazel]

you can*

[steel bane]

but you need it on the box right?

[odd hazel]

yes

[steel bane]

you can't actually get there right now

[arctic hare]

At least they’re giving a reason to go for 5 star

[dry copper]

5 star easy if you go sub

[lost wharf]

Oh, so you can infinitely grind adamant vaults for sockets and conduits?

[odd hazel]

yes

its a chance though

[lost wharf]

That's dumb

[odd hazel]

not sure how big a chance to get them are though

[lost wharf]

Did any1 try getting 5stars in a group? Is it easier or harder?

[worn panther]

It's not likely, prob you only will get the cosmetics ands new pets in most runs

[hot helm]

how is venthyr assa in m+?

[odd hazel]

it does fine

[spice spire]

Seems good

Pins have it best w obedience

[arctic hare]

Indeed

[winged basin]

Can confirm is fine

[worn panther]

It's easier to break all the jars, otherwise just be careful on dmg spikes, it looked a little bit easier

[alpine latch]

What is the sin bug that's referenced in the Drive doc?

[hot helm]

i just feel kinda intimidated to farm up venthyr from 0 rn

[thorny pond]

Free week

[lost wharf]

My alt did 0 to 35 in 2 days.

[warped umbra]

Hey guys the new sims for venthyr are only for obedience at the top. How do the venthyr soulbinds rank when using doomblade instead of obedience?

[hot helm]

Free?

[thorny pond]

Not much going on.

[hollow oasis]

covenant quests give 2 renown when you fully complete them

[thorny pond]

Plenty of free time to farm

[lost wharf]

Dmg spikes? You mean incoming dmg?

[hot helm]

If i do farm to 40, do i need to do sanctum unlocks or do those even matter?

[hollow oasis]

so half the renown is done when doing the quests, then you can grind the last levels, im 36 and i switched yesterday

[spice spire]

Still fairly ahead in ST but by not nearly as much.

Unsure about DSlice

[lost wharf]

Sanctum unlocks? You mean the table and teleport and stuff?

[hot helm]

ye

[lost wharf]

They are just convenience, you don't need them.

[oak sapphire]

any use still playing necro assa? or just swap to venthyr for all content

[worn panther]

Last floors and boss dmg is disgusting for some reason in groups... We went with a Shadow, and a Resto Shaman (Law rogue) and final boss just bonked my head and died, still killed it

[inner temple]

i dont love dratnos, but he clearly and concisely broke down how the scoring works?

[lost wharf]

Ah, should probably get a tank then

[odd hazel]

i just keep seeing his name

people shouldnt take them serious tbh

people keep mentioning tier lists here and its cringe

wowhead is a much better source for the scores

[spice spire]

Videos create a much easier experience for many people and dratnos makes a lot

[inner temple]

who do you think writes the wowhead guides?

[spice spire]

I don’t think it’s inherently bad

[warped umbra]

Thx for the answer, would be interesting to see, just in case obedience gets the hammer.

[odd hazel]

its just the tier lists THIS early is weird to follow like gold ¯_(ツ)_/¯

"feels lists"

[spice spire]

I think it’s inherently bad to try to do everything at once and try to cookie cutter all information without a more precise source. It’s impossible to be 100% correct about every single thing in wow unless you just slog nonstop

Naguura came in one day and asked about the state of rogue. Cev answered, who i’d label a bit of a better source for rogue than naguura herself. But not everyone has time/can do that

[inner temple]

i should clarify because im coming off a bit hostile, no, noone should take anything anyone says as pure unadulterated truth, you should always use your own brain to make intelligent decisions. with that said, dratnos is generally correct more often than not and is a good resource for wow related content

[spice spire]

Last part sketch. But he’s more knowledgeable about many things in WoW than I. So I can definitely say that with confidence

[winged basin]

I am in this discord 24/7 and see dratnos pop up MAYBE once a week

if that lol

[spice spire]

But I think it’s good practice to take everything with a grain of salt

Recently he came up about the raid tier lists

They were a bit fried ngl

[odd hazel]

^

[winged basin]

Big true^ specially brand new stuff that nobody has actually played live yet

[inner temple]

agreed

[spice spire]

Sub bottom tier with outlaw ahead of sin was hella sketch alone

[odd hazel]

feels like more a feels list then anything

[inner temple]

it was

[arctic hare]

Probably is

[odd hazel]

oof on those feels then being wrong

[winged basin]

Is he the one saying Frost number one, fury number 2 lmao

[spice spire]

Frost doesn’t look bad next tier

Idk number one good but definitely better than before

People also though frost was cracked at the beginning of CN

And it got nerfed to hell

[winged basin]

I just remember a guildy telling me rogue won’t see play cause fury is so good

Cause a tier list said fury was the end all be all lmfao

[arctic hare]

I can’t see that ever happening

[sharp panther]

thats because it was lol, he was guessing

[inner temple]

thats on your guildy not knowing any better lol

[winged basin]

wElL yOu wOnT bE rAiDinG rOguE thIs tIeR

Like shut the frick up fricker

[inner temple]

yeah he def said it was feely craft on old ptr data

[odd hazel]

shouldnt guess on unknown knowledge

[hollow river]

We have 4 people trying to main rogue this tier

[arctic hare]

lol

[hollow river]

So 2 of us are not raiding on rogue

100%

[inner temple]

im the only one! ALL THE DAGGERS!

[winged basin]

I am luckily only fighting one other rogue

[arctic hare]

I think I’m the only one of my guild trying to raid rogue

[odd hazel]

im the only rogue on my raid team so feelsgood

[winged basin]

They only want one of us for mythic 😦 I want both of us

[merry mountain]

My GM is a rogue 😎

[hot helm]

imagine being able to swap covenants whenever

[hollow river]

My guild doesn’t have enough raiders to be picky about taking 2 rogues

[gilded grove]

To be fair, I've played with Dratnos, and he's a gamer. He can pretty much play any class/spec at a relatively high level, and he's knowledgeable. Idk why people hate him other than the fact that he went from being an unkown mythic raider, to a caster and prominent youtube content creator.

[winged basin]

Ours doesn’t either

Not enough good ones atleast

[spice spire]

Don’t think there’s been any hate here. You don’t routinely end on top 50 without being an absolute gamer

[grim tangle]

people hate dratnos because he made tier lists and max told them tier lists are bad

[hot helm]

ALL HAIL MAX

[winged basin]

Max is god tho

[spice spire]

No I told myself based on the rogue listing alone “this list is probably bad”

[arctic hare]

ALL HAIL MAX WHOEVER HE IS

[hot helm]

PRAISE BE HIS BEARD

[spice spire]

And it’s a bit deep fried

[inner temple]

jealousy, lol

[winged basin]

A BIT DEEP FRIED LMAO

I’m totally stealing that

[arctic hare]

lol

[sharp panther]

max and dratnos are both good guys, tier lists are bad, but dratnos is a content creator so he made content, its very whatever

[spice spire]

Doesn’t mean “DUDE IS SHIT HAS NO CREDENTIALS HE SUCKS” it just means, it’s a tier list and most are bad

[gilded grove]

Max is the raid leader of a world first guild. He looks at things from a completely different angle than most people. He doesn't even raid during the race to world first, because it's easier to shot call from a stream than it is to be in the game and overlook things. So certain classes/specs are better for specific mechanics to be able to make fights "easier" so they can cheese things and clear it faster.

[spice spire]

Hey you beat me to it

[arctic hare]

Oh, that seems interesting

[gusty mirage]

I'm shit and have no credentials though

[spice spire]

You shut your whore mouth oxi

You’re a good bean and a gamer™️

[gusty mirage]

[spice spire]

[faint harness]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[spice spire]

Neat!

[tribal marlin]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[winged basin]

Well cause tier lists are pure opinion. Only tier list I need is warcraftlogs weekly recap

[gilded grove]

Also, I'm pretty sure Max said pre-patch tier lists prior to tuning are bad, I don't think he thinks tier lists as a whole are bad, considering CL posts tier lists on their website, or used to.

I havent been to it in a while.

[spice spire]

Now I don’t have to give an answer

[spice spire]

Can be fried. Week one of CN feral topped

Not top top, but like top 3

[heavy forge]

Feral

[arctic hare]

Heh, used to main a feral, before it got dull and I switched to sin

[tribal marlin]

with Sylvanas dagger we'll reach the top :pog:

[heavy forge]

I still play it everytime I can, went rogue this tier for a change

[arctic hare]

Surprisingly enough, feral helped a crap ton with learning sin, though, i had already started in BFA

[heavy forge]

I'm like a cat with a assassination backup every now and then :D

[arctic hare]

lol

Yeah, if there is one thing I miss

ITS THE RUN SPEED ER MA GERG ROGUE BE SLOW

Without its movement speed abilities that is

[heavy forge]

yeah I feel you

[arctic hare]

But I’ve grown accustomed to it

[odd hazel]

i mean, thje reason i dislike tier lists

is because people feel like you have to follow them

and tier lists with out knowledge

or jsut guessing

helps no one in term of actually accurately placing them

feral is fun

the energy is just so bad

[heavy forge]

well feral energy was never a drowning in type

maybe except late legion with dumb build

[odd hazel]

it just makes the class feel bad, not sure how it is now but. i felt like it was lacking something

[arctic hare]

Yeah, i hated having to pool energy, I could never get it down

[west cove]

so i made layer9 with 5 star flawless

now what

[odd hazel]

wait for layer 10

we dont have acces to vault yet

so GG

[west cove]

go master assasin sub build

if u guys struggle with assa or outlaw

[odd hazel]

i was able to get 4 as sin

not really trying though

it'll be easier once we get deeper into the tree

[heavy forge]

didn't enter thoghast yet, had to get some renown first

[west cove]

so do we need layer 10 5 star for vault or

is it done

[warm pumice]

do i go with zoldyck or do i wait for the new leggy (new dinged rogue) so i havent crafted a leggy yet

[winged basin]

Burst of Speed was my absolute favorite rogue ability

[spice spire]

Are you going to Raid or do M+?

[warm pumice]

mostly raid!

[arctic hare]

Burst of speed?

[spice spire]

Doomblade/obedience then

[warm pumice]

tyvm!

[spice spire]

Anytime! 🙂

[warm pumice]

but should i wait or do the doom first

[spice spire]

If you’re going venthyr, I’d probably still do both

[winged basin]

Was this sick ability you could press over and over again for 70% move speed

[spice spire]

Because a legendary is big

But if you’re not, obviously can’t do obedience so craft Doomblade and level it ASAP

[winged basin]

at the cost of energy, had 3 sec cd and 3 sec duration

[scenic meteor]

I’ve been away, is obedience way ahead of doomblade now?

[winged basin]

Currently

[warm pumice]

im venthyr so ill wait i guess

[scenic meteor]

So is everyone switching from necro back to venth lol

[winged basin]

Ehh depends on the content you plan to do

[arctic hare]

Man, i wish I was around for that

[warm pumice]

blizz added 1 "free" covo change i think

[spice spire]

Pins for this but yeah venthyr pretty Deece

[mossy python]

I was NF 🥲

[spice spire]

Truly a loyal gamer, respect

[mossy python]

thx thx

[scenic meteor]

Lol i started NF, then went venth then went necro and now back to venth maybe

[white jetty]

how realistic is it form obidience to get nerfed?

i need a reason to stay necro pls xd

[spice spire]

50/50. It either will or it won’t

[warm pumice]

i would say wait until WF race is over then they will prob fix shit

[white jetty]

thx v helpful

[mossy python]

you got the Fly with NL

[spice spire]

No point in speculating because no one has any idea

[white jetty]

yeah honestly seems like a decent call, im also outlawing for m+ so until it sucks immensely i wont change back i guess

[spice spire]

Especially when arcane has a 24% legendary

[shadow pivot]

i hated flag for being a weird 1"30 cd not aligned with anything

Obedience flag seems alot less frustrating

[white jetty]

fly 💗 ✨ 💘 💞
bat thing 😡🤢 😠

[kind talon]

?

Wot

[spice spire]

It lined with sire trinket

Hold

[kind talon]

New cove leggo?

[shadow pivot]

truexd

[warm pumice]

and i dont think any covo will suck af, just like all of u said here its all about +-100 dps , but mostly the player behind the keyboard

[winged basin]

wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME

[scenic meteor]

You have the worlds worst covenant base

[warped umbra]

9.0.5 flag was an immense improvement in usability over 9.0 flag already

[scenic meteor]

🙂

[kind talon]

hey excuse me

[winged basin]

Patience younglings

[white jetty]

we need something to entertain us,, forgive us

[kind talon]

Wtf is that

Lmfao

[umbral rapids]

MY GOD HAHAHAHA

[vestal wren]

nice ScAlinG

[umbral rapids]

what the fuck is that hahahaha

[shadow pivot]

@warped umbra yea I know but still SBS feels alot better to me than some unaligned burst - tho with Obedience I'll very likely enjoy venthyr

[vestal wren]

arcane mage legendary

[spice spire]

Sir, that’s reserved for us sin rogues. Sorry, must be removed

[kind talon]

Bro

[spice spire]

Truly unlucky

[kind talon]

Stop copying me

[arctic hare]

I don’t think thatbshould exist…

[umbral rapids]

yeah i meant more like why is it a thing

[umbral rapids]

jinx

[kind talon]

Kekw

[umbral rapids]

[spice spire]

Speculating on nerfs is a moot point. It could be, or it couldn’t be is the point

[vestal wren]

arcane mages on suicide watch after blizz sees this

[spice spire]

Either way, bank the freeb if you’re that worried 🙂

[spice spire]

Arcane mages relevant once in 2 expansions and immediately get sent back to the gutter. Unlucky

[kind talon]

Wtf happened

To that leggo

Was it always that impactful?

[umbral rapids]

what website is that ?

[spice spire]

Idk man, it’s just vibing rn

[kind talon]

Bloodmallet

[umbral rapids]

i'm stupid

[spice spire]

Yeah. Which BM can also lead to some moments but it’s pretty big regardless

[kind talon]

I mean bloodmallet had like

Unbound changeling all proc as like

A separate category lol

[vestal wren]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[vestal wren]

^ 2nd one

[pseudo hamlet]

It's worth changing covenants right now or it's better to wait just in case for the few weeks?

[kind talon]

It doesn’t really matter

[pseudo hamlet]

I am NF and was wondering if chaning to venth/necro would be better.

[kind talon]

Yes

[winged basin]

Anything is better than NF

tbf

[spice spire]

NF is definitely one to swap off of right now

[kind talon]

NF is the worst covenant lmfao

[spice spire]

Even fuu left

[kind talon]

[spice spire]

And Fuu was the last bastion of loyalty

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, my queens conservatory free gold maker

[kind talon]

True

[heavy forge]

SBS is sooo good I don't wanna go back to venthyr !

Plus the fly is coming

[spice spire]

You don’t have to lol.
Necro is less good but not int to run

[mossy python]

fly >>>> all

[arctic hare]

Make an alt?

[west yoke]

just wanna be 100% sure before i craft it, doomblade goes on back now, right?

[spice spire]

Yessir

[pseudo hamlet]

was wondering about the same thing

[west yoke]

ty

[heavy forge]

yeah, waiting for now ^^ I love the spell too much

[spice spire]

Any time, best of luck

[lost wharf]

Which pots are considered the bis atm? Haven't raided in too long D:

[spice spire]

Sbs very good, will be sad to leave it.

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[heavy forge]

the cheapest one are allways the best @lost wharf

[winged basin]

I agree which is why after prog I’m taking my happy ass back necro

[heavy forge]

word from a poor man

[kind talon]

Agi or phantom fire are good 😊

If they make sense and are potions from this expansion

[spice spire]

I personally prefer stones + agi

[alpine latch]

What is the "Sin bug" that's referenced on the Excel doc? I clearly missed something and can't find anything about it in the pins or through my search.

[kind talon]

They are probably not bad

[spice spire]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[spice spire]

@alpine latch

[alpine latch]

Oh shit,it's just that?

Okay

[pseudo hamlet]

I saw the pins but I am wondering... if I am playing only Assa for raiding/M+/PvP arenas (more focused on raiding) would Necro be the most optimal option?

[mossy python]

the problem is that fly is the only thing cool on NL

[spice spire]

Yessir

[alpine latch]

Okay, I knew about that

[spice spire]

Venthyr rn

[winged basin]

You are too quick for me quake

[heavy forge]

Fly and SBS

[kind talon]

Venthyr

[winged basin]

I like the cov set most!!

[alpine latch]

I'm probably going to roll Venthyr .. FML

[spice spire]

If I had a nickel…

[winged basin]

oh no

[pseudo hamlet]

Okay so... Vampires, here I come!

[kind talon]

You’d have a nickel

Probably

[mossy python]

i will up NL just to get fly and switch venthyr i think x)

[kind talon]

Uh

[winged basin]

There ya go

[alpine latch]

I'm 2 weeks away from having all of my Necrolord mounts 😦

[kind talon]

U can’t mount

Unless ur NL

[mossy python]

oh

fck

[kind talon]

You lose the ability to ride them when u switch cov

Ya

[winged basin]

Ecks dee

[kind talon]

Gg

[lost wharf]

Oof, so Imma research which herbs are the cheapest...

[mossy python]

Will stay venthyr then

[alpine latch]

They're tanking in price next week

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn, this discord is getting much nicer each patch. A few months ago I'd be spammed with "read the pins you imbecile!"

[kind talon]

Nah that’s just because those ppl aren’t here rn

Kekw

[lost wharf]

Why would they go down when a new raid releases and everybody wants them?

[mossy python]

it sucks, I farmed 25 000 anima on NF to get the transmog I want to cry

[alpine latch]

Because flying opens up

[spice spire]

Pins have changed a lot recently. It’s always best to but there’s a lot going on rn

[alpine latch]

Flying always tanks prices of herbs

[kind talon]

Does the transmog go away too?

[red plaza]

just gotta bring multiboxing back

[kind talon]

Xd

[lost wharf]

I doubt that has instant effect when combined with a new raid.

[mossy python]

yup

[red plaza]

and herb prices

[lost wharf]

Just bring WoD style herbs back!

[kind talon]

Prolly like a week or two after it hits

Then the herbs will stabilize

[alpine latch]

Well, feel free to be wrong. I'm not stopping you. Historically it always goes down when flying is released, regardless of how close it is to raids opening.

[kind talon]

^^^^

[alpine latch]

The only reason it might not go down is because less people are using TSM now to post and are using the new AH

[pseudo hamlet]

Yeah, that's my main concern... for example - I didn't know that Obedience is so good for m+ and sims even higher than Necro right now!

[lost wharf]

I don't think flying was ever achieved exactly at the same time as a raid openend

Imma just stock up for next week tho. It'll probably be like Dekai says and it just drops after a week or two

[kind talon]

Nah it will steadily go down

[alpine latch]

Yes, I didn't say it'll be permanent.

But it will go down, and stay lower than what it is now

[kind talon]

After flying releases

^^^

I imagine it won’t be stable for a bit tho

[alpine latch]

The average WoW player isn't an AotC raider, let alone CE. They don't care about raids opening up. Flying is even easier to get now

[winged basin]

I care

[alpine latch]

The prices will 100% go down, even if it's only for a week

And they'll stay lower

[winged basin]

I can’t wait to live in SoD

That place has stayed in my brain rent free since I ptr tested it

[lost wharf]

The demand for herbs on the opening week of raid will still be way higher than it is now

[alpine latch]

Is it?

For what?

I have 600 flasks and 4k potions

[lost wharf]

For potions and flasks

YOU, yea

[alpine latch]

Yeah, anyone smart does.

We didn't get new herbs

[lost wharf]

The average WoW player doesn't

[alpine latch]

The average WoW player doesn't raid

So that's a dumb comparison

[lost wharf]

He will try tho

[alpine latch]

Less than 1/3 of WoW accounts have AotC

We're not the average players

[winged basin]

what are you saying?

[red plaza]

so like here's Anchor Weed when 8.2 (flying) launched. Prices exploded cause new raid even with flying

[winged basin]

I’m not normal??

[spice spire]

Yep that was a super recent change with optimization. But in general when things get confusing, always ask and just say I don’t understand “x” because answering the same question a hundred times generally leads to “check the pins” 😛

[kind talon]

Lol

[lost wharf]

Whatever, you do you. If you have so much money you can have that many consumeables laying around the issues for values of herbs won't concern you regardless.

[spice spire]

Yeah with new Raid, they’ll eventually drop. But not for a month probably

[alpine latch]

EVERYONE should be stocked up with consumables. 9.1 didn't introduce new consumables, not stocking up was a massive mistake if you didn't.

[lavish quarry]

sin rogue on 9.1 m+ progression, yay or nay? (played affli warlock on 9.0)

[winged basin]

^ specially why things were cheap af 3 weeks ago

[spice spire]

It’s fine

[vestal wren]

it was mainly a fix in the sim

[spice spire]

You won’t be bis but it’ll be fine

[winged basin]

That’s why I bought 300 augments for 250 a pop

[vestal wren]

the versa buff duration was to low, once fixed the value of obedience was high enough to make it the top pick

[lavish quarry]

great, thx

[vestal wren]

obedience is atm at the point that its the strongest choice for every content on sub/sin

[spice spire]

I didn’t know that. Absolute gamer Theorycrafters really trying to help rogue kind.

Appreciate

[winged basin]

We do love them

[vestal wren]

i didn't know that too, we just seemingly missed to update the implementation earlier

[winged basin]

Nothing gets my willy going like new sims or a phat pin from whispyr

[vestal wren]

and when koji did update it we where like "oh, i thought it already did"

its good to have stuff working, it means sims are correct

even tho it barely matters given you can't craft covenant legendary items this week

i think there is a balance patch expected next week or mythic week

[spice spire]

Don’t say the thing

[vestal wren]

but its hard to predict if anything changes, e.g. the 25% legendary for arcane mage seems like it could potentially change

[winged basin]

Ahh finally break time, now I can stare at this one discord channel

[vestal wren]

arcane mage op, i did say it... pls don't be angry

tbh i would rly like to have a stacked graph to see how every spec/class is doing

[winged basin]

^^

This

[kind talon]

@spice spire

Sin not optimal?

Is sub stonks????

[dawn ivy]

you guys are just finished talking about people asking a question the hundreth time so i guess its time i ask a question thats probably been asked 99 times

[pseudo hamlet]

good to know! 😄

[dawn ivy]

the sin sim is inlcuding the poison bug yeah

[vestal wren]

yes

i think whispyr simmed after the poison bug was in

impact is ~100-200 dps

we made a bot command for it earlier

[dawn ivy]

NICE

[vestal wren]

!pb

[prisma monolith]

Deadly Poison doesn't apply on some casts like Garrote, Rupture, and Shiv.
It's a minor bug but "notable" in that it does have some noticeable impact on DPS.
Should be around a 100-200 dps loss

[kind talon]

Poison bottle?

[spice spire]

You mad lad.
Might be the first time that’s been said in a while

[vestal wren]

i made a before/after from my spreadsheet given i had the sims/numbers already

[spice spire]

Sub has higher ST and aoe, but absolute meme cleave. So it’s not bad actually

[woeful hare]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Fuus Shadowlands evaluation Spreadsheet: http://tiny.cc/uxr1tz

[kind talon]

Wait sub is higher st?

[vestal wren]

i made the calculation for st, what was ~120 dps loss average

[kind talon]

🤔

[vestal wren]

yes

but not by a lot

[lost wharf]

Subs higher st usually only gets to shine when you play brain afk at the boss. Assa is way more forgiving if you have downtime.

[vestal wren]

one thing to keep in mind from the pins is that this is in mythic gear

[spice spire]

Downtime meme

[vestal wren]

@trail anvil i like you pfp, but its just the before (gray) after (green)

[trail anvil]

i realized

should have read more before asking lol

[vestal wren]

also sorry that i didn't edit in the legendary items in the 2nd one, its probably slightly confusing

[kind talon]

[trail anvil]

and thank you ❤️

[vestal wren]

i had not a lot of time to focus on the spreadsheet today, rly want to get it done.
I hope i can finish it today/tomorrow

[spice spire]

You can infer based on numbers though fuu! I think it’s a neatly done double graph

[vestal wren]

would like to do some actual tc instead of simming combinations ^^

[alpine latch]

Sigh, fuck it.. I'm swapping Venthyr tonight I guess.

Giving into the Sin/Sub life

[trail anvil]

I wish i could swap

[soft shale]

dont worry trinkets will have our backs

[kind talon]

Me too @trail anvil

[trail anvil]

but i cant since im playing outlaw for M+

[kind talon]

I can’t since I don’t have access to my computer rn

[trail anvil]

and we need a necro for the comp

[vestal wren]

tbh i think sin/sub are about equal in output, sin probably still the better progression spec

[kind talon]

Outlaw.

[vestal wren]

so i don't feel that you can make a mistake by choosing assassination over subtlety

[spice spire]

I don’t either

The specs are fairly balanced and well done imo

[trail anvil]

Sin also also a bit easier

imo

[vestal wren]

i do like outlaw, i hope they find a way to buff it on st without making it op on aoe

so that it can compete in raiding

[kind talon]

Just give it aura buff and nerf flurry kekw

[spice spire]

Outlaw suffers a bit but compared to other specs I think rogue is done well

[vestal wren]

as nice as bf is it seems to hold the spec back

[kind talon]

Ezpz

[trail anvil]

Yeah b/c any substantial ST buff is now a HUGE AoE buff due to BF, unless it on like pistol shot or BtE

[kind talon]

Or just

Change bf

Make it charges again, or nerf it’s damage and buff st

Can do many different things

[trail anvil]

I think its part of the "class design" of outlaw that bliz likes though

[kind talon]

Ya

[trail anvil]

part of the sword and board feel of the class

[kind talon]

I mean it’s not like they need to imo

[vestal wren]

i think it gives outlaw distinct gameplay

[kind talon]

Would be nice to have competitive st but

[vestal wren]

thats healthy i guess

[kind talon]

Yeah

It’s a clearly aoe focused spec

[fallen arch]

What’s wrong as rogue with having a meta spec for m+ and 2 fine specs for raiding?

[kind talon]

Which is cool

[vestal wren]

making bf uptime lower could work, but i think it feels worse to play

[trail anvil]

Yeah...

[vestal wren]

nothing, thats great

i also like how subtlety could potentially be good in m+

[trail anvil]

The cov system seems to be a stresser

[spice spire]

Subtlety seems very strong in m+

[vestal wren]

i rly struggle to judge subtlty in 9.1 m+

[spice spire]

As long as you do large pulls, sub is pumping

[fallen arch]

Sin is good for m+ too in the right hands, it just lacks the extra cc that gouge provides

Same for sub

[vestal wren]

because the big downside of sub is still low target cleave

[spice spire]

Lord and savior DK pulled 8.9 in a 19 mists last night

[vestal wren]

and this is the area sin/outlaw shine

what kinda makes sin/outlaw more well ronded

[trail anvil]

Sub might fill the roll that Fire Mage did with pride and blow up the tormented mobs

[spice spire]

Sub has huge AoE just worst cleave in game too

[wild lion]

raidbots sims dont account sylvana dagger proc, or why is it lower than the other dagger?

[fallen arch]

DK?

[spice spire]

I weren’t implemented until last night

[vestal wren]

possible, i am excited to see people bring sub rogue and try out new strategies

[strange python]

👋

[spice spire]

Bugs bunny avatar guy. Very good sub rogue

That king

Above

[fallen arch]

Oh hello 😂

[trail anvil]

Itll be fun to see sub vs sin in prog

Imma play sin and we have another rogue who will be playing sub

[kind talon]

Sick

[spice spire]

Between ryfie running them on PTR and that last night I’m prepared to say sub is good for m+. Outlaw may still be better but sub very good

[fallen arch]

Same

[spice spire]

Which is what we love to see.

[potent raft]

there's at least 1 boss where you can sit braindead afk on the boss so Sub vs Sin will be interesting indeed.

[kind talon]

Artificer

Kekw

[alpine latch]

I might wait 3 weeks to swap to Venthyr... I'm 3 weeks away from having every single Necrolord mount. lol

[trail anvil]

Sin still is punished when not meleeing the boss so not really

[strange python]

No sub v assa

[kind talon]

U can’t use them after u swap tho p sure

[strange python]

Rogue v other classes

[trail anvil]

^^

[strange python]

[kind talon]

[alpine latch]

I don't care about that. My goal is to have every Shadowlands mount

[spice spire]

Ethical and wholesome sub rogues

[trail anvil]

Rogues need to UNITE and fight the mage supremacy

[spice spire]

Fire mages domed, truly unlucky

[potent raft]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-hotfix-to-easily-rejoin-old-covenant-one-time-use-323149
better do it now

[fallen arch]

9.1 will be the surge of the arcane supremacy tho

They gonna blast

[spice spire]

You know what? They deserve it too, it’s been a bit

[vestal wren]

worse part of the post

[fallen arch]

Ye, I remember hellfire citadel

[spice spire]

9.1 truly looking to be atonement for past balancing sins

[kind talon]

Lol

As soon as I get home

I will fire up pf

Pc

Swap to venthyr

[strange python]

Potentially seeing arcane will be nice

[kind talon]

And then do shit dps in m+ as outlaw kekw

[obsidian aspen]

do we go for Obedience lego now as bis?

[kind talon]

Yes

[spice spire]

Yes but not available until mythic week

Afaik

[obsidian aspen]

yeah thats cool just checking

❤️

[kind talon]

Do it now!

[spice spire]

Any time papi

[kind talon]

[fringe geyser]

Which cov and spec will be the best for 9.1 raiding?

[kind talon]

Call me papi too

[hot helm]

Would it be worth waiting until mythic to make new legendaries? wait on drops from heroic?

[kind talon]

Yes

[spice spire]

Spec unsure about. Covenant seems to be unanimously venthyr though. All rogues look viable with sub/sin looking better than outlaw in raid

[hot helm]

do you same would go for swapping covs?

[delicate bone]

its really not too bad on outlaw in m+ with venth

[spice spire]

I call everyone that lol

[kind talon]

Meh

Removing betrayer status so

[fringe geyser]

Ty dude

Xoxo

[kind talon]

Ya true idk I’m just very used to sbs

[delicate bone]

been banging out 20s since 9.1 with no huge detriment to aoe and a noticable ST buff on bosses

[kind talon]

Nice

Maybe will be super epic

[delicate bone]

yea i def prefer sbs playstyle and usage forsure

more engaging

[kind talon]

Maybe venthyr is easier tho idk

[leaden turret]

Yeah that‘s what I thought aswell, Sbs is just more fun. But venth ability is still super good

[kind talon]

Less room for mistakes?

[leaden turret]

You get tons of prio damage

[kind talon]

Yeah for sure

It hits like a truck

[hot helm]

yeah would necro sin have good uptime though

[kind talon]

Fat deeps

[hot helm]

for movement

[leaden turret]

Come on, you keep that bad boy on cooldown and feel like you have mini BL

[thorn fjord]

Obedience will be unlocked week 4?

[kind talon]

Wdym?

Necro has 0 downtime

Since the sbs bleed counts

It breaks logs lmfao

[spice spire]

3

[thorn fjord]

ty

[kind talon]

Sheeeeeesh

Keep that flag in ur pants

[hot helm]

yeah so necro sin > venth because extra bleed uptime during movement phases?

[kind talon]

Zaraki kun

[leaden turret]

Keep that flag on you at all times

Dekai chan

[hot helm]

or does the prio damage out rank it?

[spice spire]

2 this week, 3 next week because the same 2+questline, same for week 3

[kind talon]

:3

[alpine latch]

Oh wow, we don't get Obedience until Mythic week?

[spice spire]

Correct

[kind talon]

Venthyr is better

[delicate bone]

side note, the dude that pops up after you time a dungeon letting someone reroll a key to a different dungeon is amazing

[kind talon]

It’s an 11% legendary

[delicate bone]

literally so good

[kind talon]

Lol

[alpine latch]

How do we acquire it?

[spice spire]

That’s why there’s no rush

[winged basin]

I KEEP THAT MF THANG ON ME

[leaden turret]

Got me feeling different out here

[spice spire]

You two need a moment?

[leaden turret]

YES SIR, AT ALL TIMES. DONT LET THE MAGES CATCH YOU LACKIN

[kind talon]

I stay strapped 🇺🇸

Oops wrong flag

[leaden turret]

Lmao

[kind talon]

[inner temple]

i mean...

[alpine latch]

I mean, you're not wrong though

[leaden turret]

Should be the new rogue motto imo

[thorn fjord]

Happy to be going back to venth... prob wait till the end of next week to swap over

[leaden turret]

Just dont make the same mistake as me and get your 2 renown this week on another cov

Hope I can catch them back up so I can craft obedience first day out

[kind talon]

Kekw

[inner temple]

same plan here, have the first half of the quest done to swap back depending on what happens in heroic week 🙂

[leaden turret]

I was bonerlords believer

[spice spire]

You can catch up this week

[winged basin]

You’ll catch up quick

[spice spire]

Apparently

[winged basin]

There is still the catchup mechanic up to 42

[leaden turret]

Pog, guess I know what I‘m doing next to rep grinding

[inner temple]

saw someone saying 3 renown for world boss

[winged basin]

Just not AS huge as 1-40

[leaden turret]

I mean that‘s fine, I just need 40-42 for venth

[winged basin]

yeah you could do that in a day

Ezpz

[spice spire]

According to oxi and someone else, you get the anima quest and something else?

[inner temple]

i would at least wait until next week to snag flying and soul ash vendor then swap

[kind talon]

When is the big boy hot fix 🥵

[noble aspen]

what're twe thinking for ST necro SIN for raid?

[leaden turret]

Anime and korthia weekly

[noble aspen]

doomblade still?

[kind talon]

So I can install wow on laptop and swap

[winged basin]

Pins

[spice spire]

ST Necro is still doom yeah

[rapid forum]

I hate this covenant bs so much

[lavish isle]

so ventr is wrong or what ? 😄

[spice spire]

No venthyr is good

[strange python]

...

[vestal wren]

necro is still a good choice

[spice spire]

But if someone wants to remain Necrolord they can!

[lavish isle]

good

[rapid forum]

I would rather go back to pearl diving in nazjatar that doing this renown shit

[spice spire]

Venthyr is performing the best at the moment given no changes, they’ll continue to do so

[kind talon]

@leaden turret wanna go pearl diving with me

😳

[thorn fjord]

Id rather do Cov shit than deal with corruption again though lol

[winged basin]

Corruption was straightforward

I enjoyed corruption

[kind talon]

^^^

[winged basin]

And my 115% base haste

[kind talon]

Corruption > covenants

[thorn fjord]

I suck at RNG

[kind talon]

Me2

[winged basin]

No such thing as rng

[thorn fjord]

and it took em too long to allow you to buy the pieces you actually needed

[winged basin]

With vendor

For a second it sucked

[rotund oxide]

Necro or Vent for Asn?

[kind talon]

Venthyr

[winged basin]

Pins

[thorn fjord]

it sucked long enough that i stopped playing before the Vendor was added 😦

[spice spire]

Given no changes Venthyr is best in all situations

[winged basin]

That’s super fair

I would still much rather deal with the headache of getting corruptions then cov swapping

atleast by the time your corruption rolled around again you could buy like 5 of them

[thorn fjord]

Atleast we're not still dealing with Azerite gear LOL

[delicate bone]

its quick and easy lol

[kind talon]

Azerite gear is Poggers!! 😠

[winged basin]

Azerite gear was not poggers my friend

[delicate bone]

the exponentially increase the renown catch up and people still go crazy

[spice spire]

It’s very obvious dekai is trolling

[thorn fjord]

i luckily have venth already sitting at 40 and NF if we ever go back to that

[spice spire]

Or a sociopath

[strange python]

Some of the effects were sick though

[kind talon]

[strange python]

Bring back shrouded

[spice spire]

True!

[kind talon]

True

[thorn fjord]

Bring back double leggos

[kind talon]

Also true

Doomblade and obedience?

[thorn fjord]

The dream

[kind talon]

🥜

[winged basin]

ecks dee

oBediEnCE

[kind talon]

wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME wiLl oBeDiEnCe geT neRfeD HEY EXCUSE ME

[spice spire]

Oh no

[winged basin]

HEY THATS MY MEME SIR