assassination

[final star]

Yeah exactly that

[marble hemlock]

We dont know why theyre different. But they are.

Just fucking accept that?

[strange python]

[weary marten]

I play rogue for the past 10 years, i can't name a class that has been as often nerfed as rogue tbh

[sudden brook]

[strange python]

Yea ig rogue just can’t have good things everyone pack it up

[marble hemlock]

Like, come on. You have to willfully ignore the history of balancing for every class to not see that theres patterns that are different for rogue and other classes

[worn geyser]

Like what, of course they are different, the classes are tuned differently around different parameters

[sudden brook]

Rogue may be stinky now but ur smoking crack if u think rogue is "always bad"

[strange python]

Lets ask for nerfs to everything strong

[indigo ginkgo]

what you realy wonted was to tiny toxic blade to be BIS

[viscid spear]

Do Shamans count if they were never above mid-tier?

[final star]

Seems rogues are tuned around percentage increases

[strange python]

“Hello yes blizzard, could you perhaps remove cloak of shadows, yes thank you”

[urban thistle]

This seems a lot like someone attempting to use personal connections to save themselves a 40 renown grind during raid prepatch lmao. Unless an equal amount of direct input is given to shadow dust, rotten, lack of raid utility on rogue and hunter, how insanely valuable mage priest paladin and Warlock are compared to the other specs in the game

[marble hemlock]

So those classes have these massive outliers, not just because they need them to be viable, but because theyve always had them. Its a core complaint and issue that people have been talking about for years.

[worn geyser]

You cant compare lego balancing 1 to 1

[sudden brook]

Ur actually mental if u think

[dapper solar]

yo true

[sudden brook]

Koji is nerfing obedience

To avoid a covenant grind

Ur literally a conspiracy theorist

What?

[marble hemlock]

Sure, if you wanna read malice into a statement that would be perfectly acceptable for all of you if it read "rotten is extremely below everything else"

[urban thistle]

Idk man, just reading his own argument

[final star]

That's a big reachy reach zephyr

[marble hemlock]

Youre literally making an exception because he reports something thats good, not something thats bad

[hasty crater]

@sudden brook covid 19 is an inside job by world leaders

[strange python]

Whatever man

[weary marten]

my point was not to say rogue was weak, but a lot of the things that were strong got nerfed, really often. I'm sorry for all those classes that barely spend time on top of charts

[urban thistle]

Your reading comprehension is bad if you think I believe that's what he's after

[final star]

the problem is

[strange python]

No obedience nerfs

[final star]

the way it's worded is "extremely above everything else"

[strange python]

No winning this one

[marble hemlock]

Blizzard was linked the sims today that shows The Rotten and Duskwalkers Footpads extremely below everything else. It depends on how much you feel they will do anything about it as to if you are inclined to swap immediately.

[strange python]

Kill obedience

[urban thistle]

I'm saying either his logic is flawed, or that's his goal

[strange python]

Keep the covenant choice diverse ig

[urban thistle]

So clearly his logic is flawed

[strange python]

As if obedience kills that

[fleet anchor]

I’ve put up with a lot of memeing in this thread today but if you wanna imply that this is just because I don’t wanna spend a couple days getting Renown you’re off your rocker.

[urban thistle]

I didn't do that though

[sudden brook]

U literally did

[weary marten]

Btw even with the "broken" obedience, where are we placed in the charts among other dps classes ?

[marble hemlock]

What

You literally said "This seems a lot like someone attempting to use personal connections to save themselves a 40 renown grind during raid prepatch lmao. "

[urban thistle]

UNLESS

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, it's not like Koji and others have repeatedly gotten stuff buffed or fixed

Over the past 10years of his activity as a theorycrafter

Lmao

[little sparrow]

Koji has that kind of power? Koji make us the best class pls thanks

[viscid spear]

Yeah, been playing this Rogue since I started in the Ulduar patch, was maining Paladin tank and then Priest heals for a bit but always had the Rogue doing stuff.
Sucks when they get gutted time after time.

[strange python]

Kill obedience yo blizz was gonna do it anyway lets ask for it so it gets done quicker rogues can’t have anything good anyway

[sudden brook]

Rogue looks like the literal best melee dps

And u guys are still crying

About a maybe nerf

Think about that for a minute

[final star]

[urban thistle]

Alright, I can't maintain a real time conversation at work, but my actual point is that maybe instead of complaining about good things, let's complain about everything. Glad my appeal to absurdism actually got my point read

[marble hemlock]

Koji and I disagree. A lot. But holy cow if people actually think that people like him havent been a main reason why a class that historically receives little to no attention isnt in the playable state it is partly thanks to contributions like his, then people just dont know their shit

[bitter canyon]

Outlaw is predicted to be S tier isn’t it

[odd hazel]

Maybe for m+

[marble hemlock]

Koji is one of the people maintaining the bugtracker for example?

[viscid spear]

M+ sure

[bitter canyon]

oh I was talking mainly about m+

[odd hazel]

Do not listen to tier lists lmao

[marble hemlock]

We've got plenty of bad shit fixed into playable state

[viscid spear]

What, you don't like mouseover bleed spam?

[placid cobalt]

i mean the bottom line is that it's blizzard's fault for having obviously unbalanced stuff out literally hours before a patch goes live tho

[marble hemlock]

Nah man, its Kojis fault

[sudden brook]

Maybe

[strange python]

Super unbalanced

[placid cobalt]

XD

[strange python]

Obedience super unbalanced

Simming within 100 dps of ret

[odd hazel]

It’s not which is funny

[strange python]

Giga busted

[sudden brook]

Simming? Damn

[strange python]

Getting beat by spriest anyway

Damn

[sudden brook]

5 ret raid?

[strange python]

Shits bussin

[sudden brook]

Damn the sims that don't have daggers?

Or gems?

Yeah real relevant sims

Lmk how raid looks

[strange python]

Shits bussin

[final star]

sims have everything except daggers

[sudden brook]

In 3 weeks

[little sparrow]

[final star]

[gusty pewter]

obedience wiull be craft in cloack to?

[sudden brook]

Lmk which melee is stacked in raid

[placid cobalt]

tbh i don't care if it's balanced or not, the problem is that since i need to basically reroll covenant around that, it'd be nice to have some sort of security on what to do hours before patch goes live

[sudden brook]

If it's ret or rogue

[placid cobalt]

but i guess blizz doesnt agree 😄

[safe barn]

yay forever got his og skin back

[final star]

I'll place bets on neither

[safe barn]

vergil from dmc

[bright turret]

complaining about everything works for ranged DPS, believe in yourselves

[placid cobalt]

like i was necro, farmed 40 venthyr, if tomorrow they nerf it they're basically telling me im dumb for trying to minmax and play the game

[sudden brook]

I gotta for the toxicity level in this server rn about Koji trying to rebalance shit that is obviously overtuned

[placid cobalt]

which is happening over and over again lately

[sudden brook]

If rather obe get nerfed, than rogue get an aura nerf

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[viscid spear]

Depends, is he the storm?

[strange python]

Giga overtuned

[plush ferry]

when patches drops blizz SURELY wont make any nerfs or changes making people swap the covenent, right?

[bitter canyon]

Wait is obi getting nerfed?

[proper sage]

no

its not

[final star]

my problem is if I change covenant I don't wanna be punished for being behind in renown

[placid cobalt]

i agree, just hoped for it to be more cemented by now that's all

[dapper solar]

obe getting buffed

[final star]

p[ast 40 renown

[fleet anchor]

I would just put it out there that if people feel so insecure about Blizzard being linked our literal pinned sim results then it's pretty clear what the state of things are.
This ain't me doing anything special here. It's just something that was massively buffed like 3 days before the patch. It is what it is.

[gusty pewter]

where @dapper solar

[dapper solar]

there

[indigo mulch]

Like why are people supprised if they would nerf obe?

I don't understand.

[frosty bridge]

What Guy said, rather have them nerf Obe instead of 2% aura nerf for rogue specs lol

[sudden brook]

TRUE

[strange python]

It wasn’t buffed 3 days before patch

It was implemented in sims correctly

[dapper solar]

buff OBE or riot

[strange python]

3 days before patch

[fleet anchor]

No lol

[strange python]

Its always been assumed this is how it is meant to be lmao

[fleet anchor]

It literally did not function like that in-game

[strange python]

24 seconds of versatility

This was fixed

2-3 weeks ago

Trust me

I literally got on ptr every build and tested it lol

This is not a thing done 3 days ago

[cobalt kindle]

we should send sims to blizzard to balance cleave dps too, why let necro have that much dps different than other covenant ?

[small swan]

Why not just nerf obe for sin then, to give y’all options, and leave obe as is for sub so they can have a non shit leggo

[fleet anchor]

If you say so.

[strange python]

This was something that wasn’t implemented right in sims until 3 days ago

[shy dust]

Yeah the flag buff

Was not this week

[lone wren]

Well unholy DK kept getting nerfed start of expac ...yet affliction and balance druid seemed fine in blizzards eyes. Don't blame ppl for not knowing if it will get nerfed or not lol

[shy dust]

It was a few weeks back rn

The sims just didn’t account for it

[fleet anchor]

The spell data was not changed.

[final star]

affliction got fucked

[fleet anchor]

They have updated Obedience multiple times

[lone wren]

I mean CN tier

[fleet anchor]

But at the end of the day, getting so attached to PTR tuning is just unhealthy imo.

[lone wren]

We don't know if they will nerf us now or at 9.2 is my point

Blizzard has not been consistent with their balancing nerfs

[indigo mulch]

Mythic patch is the only patch that matters, cause after that they wont really nerf or buff much :/

[final star]

What covenant would you suggest if I wanna play assassination and sub in raid and m+

[frosty bridge]

Considering the patch is out for NA, it wouldn't get changes this week anyway?

[final star]

[indigo mulch]

You can't get obe until mythic week anyway if i don't remember wrong.

[placid cobalt]

man blizz has no idea how to balance anything, look what happened with deathspike, op on outlaw completely destroyed for all 3 specs

[faint harness]

Are we getting resounding nerfed too?

[rigid monolith]

Only if shit is REALLY over the top, which to be hones OBE kinda seems to be

[dapper solar]

it doesnt

[faint harness]

Either its all finality levels of strong or it wont be balanced

[pliant nest]

according to the pinned sims its not that far over the top right? like 4%?

[placid cobalt]

if they deem obedience to be too strong, you can bet they'll make it so weak you'll never consider crafting it ever again 😄

[dark crag]

How could a potential ob nerf look like?

[lone wren]

Unholy kept getting nerfed through mythic weeks yet affliction stayed op the entire tier

[dark crag]

0.5 vers? 0.5sec cd

[indigo mulch]

They won't nerf flag, they will nerf obe if anything.

[shy dust]

Saying that flag was just fixed few days ago is just wrong

[strange python]

^

[dark crag]

Yeah ob i mean

[shy dust]

It was like two weeks ago I think that it was fixed

[strange python]

That is 100% misinformation

[cobalt kindle]

they will nerf nothing

[strange python]

Legendary was bugged until 2-3 weeks ago

It was also assumed by most that this is how it would work

[final star]

This is the problem with having a completely closed development team

everyone wildly speculates

[cobalt kindle]

there is no reason to nerf it

[final star]

no one knows what is going to happen

[dapper solar]

i know whats going to happen

[bitter canyon]

Need to convince more devs to main rogue

[worn geyser]

Okay out of the loop here, is people speculating it will get nerfed or is it based on something solid

[lone wren]

At this point if a nerf does happen it will put us back where we were 4 days ago. Which means both venth and necro would be viable. So logical thing to do would be to go venth now and switch later on should the need arises

[bitter canyon]

If they even play WoW at all lul

[fleet anchor]

If people are confident that Obedience is mega balanced and won't get nerfed, nobody should fear anything.

[sudden brook]

Obedience is literally bis st for all 3 specs

Resounding is bis for sub on st, and is way harder to play

[final star]

i'm confident it's balanced when compared to other classes yes

[sudden brook]

These are very different

[fleet anchor]

If people look at the chart and fear that Blizzard might balance it, then you have your answer there

And you may wanna wait a week and see what happens

This isn't in my hands, it's just data

[pliant nest]

but its not even that far ahead, right?

[final star]

then I'd have to be kyrian which would mean I can't play assassination that well

[faint harness]

No because if care about perfect balance then resounding should be nerfed too

[cobalt kindle]

if they nerf obe, they nerf cleave dps imbalance covenant too for the class then 😉

[faint harness]

Otherwise kyrian is just straight up several % better than other covenants

[lilac jolt]

hey guys! is there any updated sin guide for 9.0.5 or 9.1? i've played a ton of sub and outlaw in 9.0 but i have little to no experience with sin, looking to mix things up!

[faint harness]

And we dont want that right?

[proper sage]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[proper sage]

should be updated

i believe

at least IV is

[lilac jolt]

ah okk

[grim jay]

way harder to play

[lilac jolt]

i saw the january 14th and i was assuming it's outdated on the ravenholdt one

[placid cobalt]

tbh i'd rather have one clear covenant choice for progression and minmaxing players, things are so simple like that. Hate all this uncertainty around everything

[proper sage]

yea RH

i dont is updated

think *

[grim jay]

@fleet anchor hope you dont feel too offended tho. everything is fine, it's just people being afraid of what blizz does about it 😄

[final star]

I just want to pick the best covenant choice to multispec assassination and sub

[grim jay]

same for me

[final star]

outlaw in bin

[nocturne torrent]

So is overall consensus if Venth we are going to be going OBE?

[frosty bridge]

Yes

[dapper solar]

we are all NF

[placid cobalt]

yup unless last moment tuning changes

[safe barn]

forgot to get the quest yesterday

fuck

[nocturne torrent]

Eww NF

[safe barn]

stuck at necro until next week

[viscid spear]

3pm PST?

[placid cobalt]

u wont get obedience till week 3 anyway, no not loosing much now

[frosty bridge]

Same my man, same

[tacit wedge]

facts

[frosty bridge]

Necro next week, considering not even going venthyr at this point :p

[simple wadi]

even with a 50% obe nerf - wouldnt venth still be perfectly viable for sin and sub?

[proper sage]

yes

[frosty bridge]

It would

[simple wadi]

and that would be super heavy handed

[tacit wedge]

v-word

[placid cobalt]

it would but i'd imagine for sin necro would be way more versatile

[simple wadi]

oh no doubt

[tacit wedge]

@balmy condor can we add "viable" to the list of trigger words?

[dapper solar]

if obe gets nerfed at all necro sin is bis

[strange python]

⚖️

[simple wadi]

not if you want to play both sub and sin

[placid cobalt]

if u take obedience out of the equation in pure ST venthyr is 100 dps ahead as sin and behind on literally every other scenario

[faint harness]

Then we should nerf necro

And when necro is nerfed we should nerf the best one after that

And then we can keep doing that

[dapper solar]

delete the rogue class from the game

[worn panther]

Wasn't that basically 9.0 rogue?

[simple wadi]

i have no dog in this fight - i just dont understand the argument that being able to play sin and sub is predicated on obedience

[proper sage]

xd

stop dude

[strange python]

Perhaps we blast all rogue legendaries to 1%

[viscid spear]

Well I'ma play my FFXIV Rogue

[dapper solar]

rogue discord minecraft server when?

[cobalt kindle]

@faint harness wtf nerfing necro???? wow no they are super ahead in 2t and 3t ! we should nerf the obe 1t venthyr only so necro is bis everywhere

[faint harness]

If all is 1% then we are finally balanced, blessed be the balance

[placid cobalt]

@simple wadi you can play sin or sub however you like, however the best covenant is influenced by obedience because it's venthyr only legendary

[final star]

Because you can't really be kyrian assassination if you wanna pump it as sub/sin

[naive cypress]

Outlaw was fine

[fleet anchor]

Hey, I'm all good. I (along with many others) spend 100s of hours on the TC work every week. If people are offended by data being presented, that's their call.
Only thing I'm going to be annoyed with is misinformation about Renown or other BS that is just clearly turned into memeing at this point. 😛

[final star]

I'm just gonna go venthyr and hope it's decent

cba with this shitfest anymore

[rustic thunder]

I want this

[final star]

no one comes out looking good at this point

[simple wadi]

all i heard before obedience reared its head was how kyrian was sim bait and likely nerfed due to mika nerf

[strange python]

Ig venthyr is sim bait too

Since its overtuned

[fleet anchor]

The only reason I was even calling this out in public was to imply that, as I say basically every major patch--wait until Mythic week to make any major decisions. Because who knows what will happen with tuning.

If people are angry that I'm potentially saving them time and pain by "warning" them, then so be it. 😛

[final star]

Problem is you didn't say that

Could've just said "wait until mythic tuning to make a choice"

[faint harness]

”Massively overpowered” or something along those lines is what i remember reading

[final star]

but people took what you said

the wrong way

because of the poor wording implication

[vital tapir]

massively ahead of other sims iirc

[final star]

poor choice of wording

[fleet anchor]

Eh nah

[strange python]

Obediance needs tuning stop acting like snowflakes

[fleet anchor]

I think people are just defensive because they know it's busted and want to be OP next patch
Which is fine. But still true. 🙂

[marble hemlock]

Problem is people are way too invested in a game and start holding personal grudges because someone may or may not have lead to something getting nerfed after repeatedly having helped fix bugs and promote improvements to the class and specs. Even though it may or may not have gotten nerfed regardless of any input given.

[placid cobalt]

i mean, blizzard will decide to nerf or not regardless of what he said or how he worded it, if you think otherwise you frankly live in your own world

[vital tapir]

@vital tapir

[final star]

I mean, it's more % increase for rogue

[naive cypress]

@naive cypress

[vital tapir]

have to go so I'll just ping myself here to continue reading later

[final star]

but is it really OP when compared to the other classes?

[strange python]

Kieron kieron

[dapper solar]

no

[strange python]

It doesnt matter my friend

[cobalt kindle]

@fleet anchor hey, did you report the 2t et 3t imbalance between covenant too ? or just the 1target obe imbalance ? (just for info)

[strange python]

Rogue can’t have good things its a simple thing

[final star]

if you say yes then we can die on the hills we;'ve chosen

[marble hemlock]

Either its not a big deal if it gets nerfed or not, and then people are blowing it waaaaay out of proportion. Or peoples frustration with a potential nerf is justified, but that requires the impact to actually be big enough - at which point a nerf is to be expected regardless of whether someone mails Ion about it or not.

[fleet anchor]

I'm clearly not the one doing the changes because if I was, it wouldn't be like this at all to begin with. lol

So ball is definitely not in my court haha

[strange python]

Rogue is designed in a way that it can not have good covenant abilities, good conduits, good legendaries

[faint harness]

Assa necro would be giga

[final star]

I mean yes or no

is it op when compared to other classes

[faint harness]

Shame

[placid cobalt]

it's not about other classes. Blizz has been trying to fix the covenant shitshow by trying to balance them. Right now obedience makes venthyr covenant clear bis period. Blizz dont' like that. Blizz nerfs. or not, who knows

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr's sim sheet has DS and HAC as well iirc

[marble hemlock]

That's pretty much the case DK, yeah. The reason our class was so much better balanced in early SL already, is because of how low impact all our rental powers are.

All our covenants were viable, because they were all equally shit.

[frosty bridge]

This lel

[strange python]

Yea im being sarcastic

Accepting shit like that is hilarious

[simple wadi]

he has 2 and 3 target cleave @naive cypress

[naive cypress]

Alrighty

[strange python]

Other classes got a whole fucking new niche with their sl borrowed power

Rogues? Rogues get bent

[marble hemlock]

I just prefer it to the "you can only play one spec and one class this patch because all these other toys are just not good enough compared to this one"

[final star]

Seli

what would you suggest

if I wanted to play assassination/subv

[marble hemlock]

See, you see that as a bad thing, I think the ability to switch specs based on encounter and legendary choice is great.

[final star]

no outlaw

[final shadow]

@fleet anchor do you have a spreadsheet to compare to other classes?

[marble hemlock]

Means I'm not a one trick pony who can only do one thing

But can fill certain niches and address some strenghts and weaknesses on the fly from pull to pull to increase my raids chance of success

[pure moth]

Tbh. This has been stated several hundred times.

[safe barn]

Covenant Recommendations
assassin/subtlety: venthyr
assassin/outlaw: necro
subtlety/outlaw: kyrian
all 3: pick one depending on the above.

in the pinned section

[indigo mulch]

I mean people are worried that if rogues are undertuned they wont be brought to raid because someone else can fil that slot since rogues still don't have any raid utility.

[safe barn]

you get those answers

[final star]

but kyrian is best for sub sir

[fleet anchor]

I pretty much just look at HeroDamage or something if I care about other classes. I don't really spend a lot of mental bandwidth worrying about classes I don't play though. They all have their own problems. 😛

[marble hemlock]

Meanwhile Hunter goes Wildspirits go BRRRR and if that doesnt work, they cant do shit about it anyway, its the only option they have.

[final star]

if obedience is an outlier

[safe barn]

you are not asking for a opinion, you want someone to agree with you

lol

[marble hemlock]

Rogues not being brought to raid because they dont have utiltiy wasnt true in Nathria, and it certainly wont be true now that our damage has become much better by comparison

[strange python]

Okay so let me ask

[final star]

I am asking what covenant to play

[placid cobalt]

honestly, i think people worry too much for nothing. Blizz knows we need output to stay relevant. I'd wager that's the reason we get dagger in the first place. I would'nt worry too much

[final star]

if venthyr isn't good for sub

[marble hemlock]

Honestly, anything but Fae works

[final star]

and I want to play sub/assassination

[simple wadi]

wut

[marble hemlock]

If obedience gets the hammer

[dapper solar]

that is exactly what happened in CN tho

[strange python]

Is the total output of the top ST sims for sub/assa with obedience a problem

Is the grand total numbers

a problem

[cold spoke]

go venthyr because necro is for nerds

[strange python]

Like are they too high

[cerulean nest]

man I leave for two hours and it's still going lol

[shrewd night]

Isnt venthyr ahead even without obidience?

[marble hemlock]

It is Koffing

[safe barn]

yes

[south belfry]

In pure st ya

[frosty bridge]

Well yes, in pure ST

[marble hemlock]

But its unplayable without Obedience

[strange python]

Not for sub xd

[dapper solar]

only in st and barely

[placid cobalt]

in pure ST, which means not really XD

[strange python]

But sub is an irrelevant spec haha xd

[marble hemlock]

And rogue is trash and unless youre xxroguethiefgodxx you dont get a raidspot anymore

[cold spoke]

st damage is all that counts anyway so

[strange python]

But again i ask

[shrewd night]

idk about that chief, but Ima go back to my pancakes kekw

[dapper solar]

parsegodX

[strange python]

Is the total number with obedience, an issue, is it too high

[final star]

No, Kyrian is

[marble hemlock]

Hard to say w/o dagger stuff being implemented

[fleet anchor]

I mean we won't know that until we start raiding. Some sims are just way lower than reality, lots of stuff still bugged or non-implemented due to the PTR patches. Trying to predict how the classes will fall right now is very difficult, if not impossible.

[marble hemlock]

And constant tuning still happening

[dawn pike]

what is happening

[urban thistle]

How was this not true? Rogue was an extremely low representation class at the top end, and incredibly low in recruitment desirability at all levels

[strange python]

Can this same logic not be applied to the idea of obedience being overtuned then

Its 10%

[marble hemlock]

Which has always been the case. Every tier. Since ToS.

[fleet anchor]

No, because our sims are internally consistent

[strange python]

How do you know how useful it will be in raid encounters

[fleet anchor]

Cross comparison to other classes is far less reliable

[cold spoke]

@marble hemlock i think it's like this since cata, they made daggers to boost rogue population since it was already floorpov

[marble hemlock]

I talked about this earlier, but the expectation of Obedience getting a nerf is not due to us expecting Assa to be too strong in the grand scheme of things, but because theres a very strong and longlasting history of internal outliers at the top-end being nerfed.

[placid cobalt]

Rogue in 9.0 was complete trash

in raid

[marble hemlock]

(For Rogue)

[naive cypress]

Outlaw was fine

[marble hemlock]

Other classes tend to have their outliers and keep them

But we dont

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw was totally fine for 9.0

[marble hemlock]

And theres no indication to expect that to suddenly be any different

[inner temple]

our outliers make people cry when they get gibbed :/

[grim tangle]

I really don't think Blizzard will be happy with one specific covenant legendary being BIS for all 3 specs in ST

[indigo mulch]

No they wont.

Then again, isent all 3 warlock specs Nightfae? 😄

[inner temple]

like 94% of players playing NF ?

[fleet anchor]

Assassination was way behind which, incidentally for all those who claim we don't ask for buffs, we said was 20-25% behind Sub/Outlaw all through beta constantly. We gave this feedback many, many times. lol

[placid cobalt]

rogue had literally no representation in the race watsoever. immunities were useless in a raid made mostly of physical abilities.

[frosty bridge]

Realisitcally, they should nerf Obediance

[strange python]

Okay

Then realistically do an aura buff as well

[frosty bridge]

Our powerlevel shouldn't be measured in terms of one legendary

[marble hemlock]

The race for world first is not representative of overall class balance though.

[fleet anchor]

I mean melee would have not been brought at all if not for AMZ being OP

[dapper solar]

it kinda is tho

[waxen thunder]

Its BiS for all three in ST, BiS for Sub DS and within literal spitting distance of sin DS. A nerf isn't unwarranted

[frosty bridge]

I am not even saying rogue will be too strong, if we want rogue to be strong I would prefer base kit buffs or more utility

[fleet anchor]

That is just WoW raids these days

[inner temple]

careful man, DK will accuse you of being a snitch for wanting whats good for the class lol

[marble hemlock]

It really isn't though. And the game isnt balanced around it, either.

[fleet anchor]

Melee < Ranged is a big issue with current raid design

[strange python]

Yea man nerfs are really good for the class

[final star]

It's a wow issue as a whole

[strange python]

Love getting nerfed

[placid cobalt]

@fleet anchor i agree, but i don't necessarily think that means that rogue was good, it was not. Barely represented at all in top 100 in fact

[final star]

let alone raid design

[shrewd night]

in what world.
Its indicative of community PERCEPTION, but not at all about balance

[frosty bridge]

I don't get the fuss

[marble hemlock]

Ele shaman wasnt a broken class just because Pieces brought 5 of them to Uunat.

[vernal adder]

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw was probably the 2nd best melee in CN prog...

[frosty bridge]

Before we knew how strong Obedience was, everyone thought we will be really good regardless?

[strange python]

LOL

[final star]

cap

[frosty bridge]

Well, decent, not top tier but more than good enough

[strange python]

Nah don’t open this up

[buoyant mauve]

not ww?

[marble hemlock]

Rogue was #3 in my book. DK and WW being stronger choices for melee

[placid cobalt]

if u look at most kills in top 100 they had DK, then either war/monk/dh for buff, and thats it

[cold spoke]

sadly thats all you needed for melees spots + warrior to buff

[marble hemlock]

They also usually had 1 rogue?

[dapper solar]

if you had access to every spec you would not have brought a rogue in CN at all

[fleet anchor]

I'm on the fence about WW. I think WW was really good on some fights but less flexible across the board. Just my opinion though. It would be close imo.

[marble hemlock]

With quite a few guilds running 2 rogues, even, on a boss that could at most use 5 melee.

[fierce hill]

Fk EU and US hail China they always bring rogues even in top guilds.

[frosty bridge]

It was insane on SLG and good on Sire

[placid cobalt]

@marble hemlock i mean sure, some did, i think u will find 1 or 2 rogues in top 10, wasnt really needed for anything though XD

[frosty bridge]

WW is unkillable in raids basically

[obtuse quest]

Hello where are you going to craft obedience?

[fleet anchor]

Unless a bunch of you are sekrit Limit players, I wouldn't really fixate on WF raiding comps though

[naive cypress]

It's like Foreverguy said once, "Just be a good player, and you will get brought"

[marble hemlock]

So you agree that Rogue was perfectly viable?

[fleet anchor]

Pretty much every raid comp outside of WF raiding had a Rogue or two in CN...

[marble hemlock]

If it wasnt, they wouldnt have been brought, as per your own logic.

[placid cobalt]

@marble hemlock it depends what you mean by viable, viable doesn't mean good

[safe barn]

obedience should not get nerfed

[marble hemlock]

Viable means playable. By definition of the word.

[placid cobalt]

@marble hemlock i didn't say it's not viable, i said it's not good

[outer lotus]

The #5 kill of the world literally played 2 outlaw rogues already

[frosty bridge]

Dude, either way, then buff all other legendaries

[marble hemlock]

But it was good.

[frosty bridge]

Obedience is too strong overall

[marble hemlock]

It just wasnt the best.

[strange python]

Big nerf enjoyer

[frosty bridge]

In terms of Rogue balance, not overall class balance

[marble hemlock]

Which only one class can be

[strange python]

Any other nerf enjoyers here

[limber lion]

The problem, afaik, is the fact that Sub has seen the short end of the stick for years now. Obedience allows for sub to be competitive again. If Obedience eventually gets nerfed, it's likely that Sub will see very little play, unless Blizzard gives Sub more (aura) buffs and it's unlikely that we'll see both a nerf to the best legendary as well as a buff to the actual spec.

[marble hemlock]

i really like nerftank, yeah

[safe barn]

and?

[marble hemlock]

hes a cool and down to earth guy

[inner temple]

big mentally challenged person....

[strange python]

You can play kyrian

[indigo mulch]

The problem wasent that rogues were super undertuned, the problem was that DK's were to good.

[strange python]

Except obedience is like actually quite fun lmao

[frosty bridge]

Isn't a better solution an aura buff for sub instead of having it rely on 1 legendary?

[strange python]

Actual good legendary

[safe barn]

mages, warlocks, dk's and WW used 1 or maybe 2 leggos all 9.0~9.0.5 and everyone was fine with that

[frosty bridge]

Which turns out to be as good on outlaw and sin on ST

[safe barn]

why cant we do the same

[strange python]

TOS lmaooo

[outer lotus]

Watch your language

[heavy forge]

I don't want obedience, I want the fly mount from necro cov tho

[limber lion]

Yes.

[buoyant mauve]

so from a raid encounter perspective, how is sin looking vs the new raid? swapping specs more or less for a specific boss in comparison to CN?

[inner temple]

i changed it for automod but 10-4

[strange python]

This guy already hit filter

[steel bane]

the wasp? really?

[heavy forge]

Ups that wasn't meant to be an answer, sorry

[outer lotus]

!mute @inner temple 60m filter evading

[frosty bridge]

People saying that Obe is out of place are not taking other classes into consideration. Obe means all other legendaries will be 5% playrate on ST fights combined

[shrewd night]

Oh, I was going to make it 4 hours

[outer lotus]

Sorry shien

[heavy forge]

Yeah give me that wasp, whatever it is, best cov mount of the four

[indigo mulch]

[obtuse quest]

but what slot is the bis for obedience?

[frosty bridge]

Everyone knows that we won't beat SPriest in ST even with Obedience lol

[frosty bridge]

Cloak

[strange python]

Yea

Thats like the point

[buoyant mauve]

I really prefer otp through a whole raid but sometimes there's fights like kael where going outlaw is just the move

[strange python]

It doesn’t even make us the best lmao

[obtuse quest]

@frosty bridge thanks ❤️

[cold spoke]

nerf sps

[indigo mulch]

SP's are bonkers on ST atm. SP's does everything that sub can do but better and they are ranged 😄

[gusty kestrel]

says who

[dawn pike]

why is there panic all of a sudden ?

[strange python]

Yet its being looked at as some exodia level damage hack

Instant win

[limber lion]

Second mute today by Vaughn.

[final shadow]

Hi @gusty kestrel

[gusty kestrel]

sup

[outer lotus]

[frosty bridge]

Sims i guess, but who knows until mythic week

[gusty kestrel]

ah the classic answer

[indigo mulch]

Is there actually any SP sims we can look at atm? 😮

[gusty kestrel]

but I thought everyone knows were gna lose

now we gotta wait

I'm confused

[final star]

@gusty kestrel did you prog CN as rogue ?

[gusty kestrel]

some of it

[rapid flame]

Warcraftpriests github has Some sims afaik

[pale fossil]

Are we still thinking Zoldyk for M+ in 9.1? I'm Necro but my understanding is that Deathspike got nerf-killed for Sin.

[ornate lake]

Yeah alno

[final star]

@gusty kestrelWhy not all of it?

[dense pecan]

Death spike hot nerfed?

[gusty kestrel]

sleep issues

[final star]

[dense pecan]

Got@

[pale fossil]

The pins say Zold's better, yeah @dense pecan

I just wanted to confirm.

[strange python]

Chances obedience gets nerfed to oblivion? Lol

[dapper solar]

14.7% repeating

[ornate lake]

Is it worth switching now to venthyr or something lost/delayed if we go in 1-2 weeks over?

[copper ginkgo]

the best covenant is venthyr?

[frosty bridge]

Hard to say how catchup will work post 40, you might be behind if you switch later

But as far as i know, you will be able to catchup even after 40 by doing M+, arenas and stuff etc

[gusty mirage]

it'll work like it did for 1-40

so it doesn't matter if you wait or switch prior to mythic week

[strange python]

Hmm to make doom blade or risk obedience nerfs 🤔

[safe barn]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[strange python]

initially*

[safe barn]

you can farm ash now

lol

[frosty bridge]

I guess it's best to not make anything until mythic week

[gusty mirage]

can't make rank 5s until mythic week anyway

and you won't have obedience until renown 48

so

there's plenty of time

[humble ginkgo]

just farm all the soul ash in the world

[frosty bridge]

Have the quest ready to switch on mythic week if you really want and make the decision then

[humble ginkgo]

[strange python]

Bet

[safe barn]

make everything rank 4

[cyan prawn]

looking at the items you need, you wont craft a rank 5 anyway due to how expensive it's gonna be

except you're rich af, then it prolly doesnt matter

[strange python]

Becoming full time ash farmer

Good thing I bought two cloaks

[dim ledge]

Would they nerf obedience once mythic raid is out?

[gusty mirage]

no one knows

[dim ledge]

Or is heroic week usually where they do last minute tuning

[gusty mirage]

it's all speculation

if they nerf it, if they do when, it's all just a guess

[dim ledge]

ah fair enough thanks

[hollow river]

Do we want to get 40 renown before we start the new campaign?

[grizzled trail]

Literally don’t even have it on heroic week tho

[frosty bridge]

Yes but it's not the end of the world,

Ah

[grizzled trail]

So it will either get nerfed off sims or later in patch is my guess

[hollow river]

If we want obedience week 3

[strange python]

Perfect then, I’ll just go doomblade first for heroic week

obedience later down the line

[past mauve]

Ya thats what I am doing. Im already Necro 40 renown. Im going to wait and see what happens with Obed and if it ends up being as the current prediction says then use the catch up to make another covenant swap ect and do the the renown grind and will have the soul ash for the legendary for when it comes out.

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, same, with the whole drama I'll just stay ol' reliable Necro

Worst case switch mythic week

[north basin]

if we use obedience with 20% reducing cd boe trinket will we get 1min flagg usage?

[strange python]

Thats only for healers

Oh wait

That other trinket

No that reduces door, soulshape, kyr pot, and fleshcraft

[faint harness]

Thats only for door

[north basin]

sad

would be imba for sub xD

[strange python]

Apparently already super imba

[gentle zinc]

craft doomblade legendary on back when patch goes live is still current recommendation for sin rogue?

[cyan kite]

If I queue up a cov switch (do the first quest or whatever) can I cancel that process and go a different direction?

[spice spire]

If you’re not venthyr, ye

[young nacelle]

And if you are venthyr? 👀

[quartz iris]

the covenant lego

[young nacelle]

[spice spire]

Correct for now 🙂 and could be forever, but the venthyr leggo had created some chats today

[quartz iris]

thats ST raid recommendation currently

[tiny ember]

yo bois ....anyone got any of those....sexy sims for 9.1

[sudden hound]

I just tried this last week (had the nf one stocked from 9.0.5 in case venth wasn't as pog as it seemed) and the answer is no. You have to completely finish going back to a cov before starting another swap

[dapper solar]

hiding them in my basement

[tiny ember]

uuuu can you like.....get me in and just throw away the key we won't be needing it

[cyan kite]

Yikes. I'm glad I asked.. thanks!

[faint harness]

We are getting nerfed on all good options so you will have to wait and see

[tiny ember]

what got nerfed now

[faint harness]

Its coming, assa is fucking broken

[young nacelle]

Leave my spec alone 😭

[tiny ember]

time to go play shadowpriest

[hollow river]

Do what?

[dapper solar]

dw bois rogue still sucks they cant nerf us can they

[cerulean nest]

is spriest fun

[strange python]

Ye

[cerulean nest]

having only been a combo point/energy boi

[strange python]

Doing large damage is fun

[faint harness]

Sp is probably fun

[strange python]

Never being nerfed enough is sick too

[cyan kite]

Spriest only fun because it's top dmg

[gloomy knoll]

that's cap

[grim tangle]

I don't enjoy current spriest at all

[hollow river]

They can’t nerf us if we band together!

[gloomy knoll]

the spec is actually fun to play

my spriest is shitty and does no damage

still fun

[strange python]

Only if it worked like that

[cyan kite]

Full turret spec

[strange silo]

So i guess i will stay bone boi doomblade is still the pick right?

[odd hazel]

If you want

Doom is yes

[strange python]

I mean you can’t craft venthyr leggo till later anyway

So I’m assuming most people will have to make doomblade first

[short hamlet]

Don't give me that hope

[odd hazel]

I mean

Nothing is forcing anyone into outlaw

[fair orchid]

the rogue assa is going to be strong in pvp¿?

[odd hazel]

It always has been

[topaz echo]

Sorry, i am a bit out of touch - will there be any new sims when the patch hits live?

[odd hazel]

Prob not right away

But after a few days sure

[loud light]

some things didn't even work properly at any point on ptr so once live data can be confirmed and added to simc I'm sure things will get updated

poor kleia

[odd hazel]

@balmy condor when sim though

[naive cypress]

Is Raidbots updated for 9.1?

[rotund arch]

Have nerfs been communicated?

[odd hazel]

People thinking sin is broken

Boy

[rotund arch]

Yeah there literally isn’t a broken melee spec

[smoky iron]

unholy was the closest in 9.0 but even then still not as good as ranged

[odd hazel]

We get a new leggo and people go nuts because it’s good

But it’s still no where near other classes good

So we will prob go under the radar a decent bit but I could see it being tuned when we get more stats

They didn’t even nerf UH DKs

Except a survival ability

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy condor]

[worthy moth]

not 3pm

[odd hazel]

Just memes, you do enough for us lol

[limber lion]

Can we talk about something else than the legendaries, covenants and stop speculating about everything for once?

[worthy moth]

why they lie so much

[tiny ember]

everyone is asking where them sims and is rogue any good....

But I'm gonna ask is Whispyr good today?

[balmy condor]

Not really, no

[odd hazel]

Yeah, how’s whispyr and cev today

[vestal wren]

+1

[limber lion]

God I hope they rework Exsanguinate one of these days

I would love to play that again

[vestal wren]

bring back KB

[limber lion]

I quite enjoyed the playstyle, even without 80%+ haste

[spice spire]

I hope you feel better soon papi

[woeful juniper]

[balmy condor]

The spec channels infighting about obedience and venth vs necro vs kyrian and sin vs sub has been getting me down quite hard tbh

But it’ll pass probably

Hopefully

[vestal wren]

it will

don't worry

[spice spire]

I also hope so, I figured it did

[tiny ember]

at least we all agree that NF is shit

[spice spire]

You just did your job, sorry dog

[bleak sky]

Also the current drama on sub is

[spice spire]

It was here earlier

[vestal wren]

i am still nf

[odd hazel]

Fuu

Plz no

[vestal wren]

tbh i will switch tomorrow or so

[humble ginkgo]

whats happening in sub rn

[strange python]

It happened here earlier

It's happening alot today

Lol

[alpine latch]

Has there been any news on the daggers yet? I'm hoping I just missed it..

[limber lion]

Nope.

Still disabled.

[alpine latch]

bah

So just statless daggers still? lol

[harsh anchor]

Best bet is to wait until next week for info on them.

Or sometime throughout this week

[balmy condor]

I assume they turned it off to fix it

[alpine latch]

Hunters are saying that the Sylvanas bow is a 1-3% DPS loss in ST and barely an upgrade in cleave/m+

And DKs (not sure about the others) all say that feeding the 2h weapon is a waste of time

Seems like all of the weapons in SoD are broken lol

[loud light]

if only they implemented them not at the literal last minute

[elfin valley]

@balmy condor was anything else bugged other than the fact that 2 rogues couldn't both have them? Or do u think the double proc/double dam was a bug

[tacit wedge]

@balmy condor strim when

[limber lion]

The double proc/double dam was definitely an oversight.

[balmy condor]

Maybe later today, not sure what I want to do yet

[limber lion]

It's likely that either one stays, either it procs twice as much, or does twice the damage per proc, but not both.

But

[oak sky]

I think double proc makes more sense

[limber lion]

I think so too.

[simple wadi]

Rogue class peace talks on stream when

[limber lion]

That would mean that the daggers are both working independently from one another

And I think that just makes a lot more sense.

[oak sky]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

True

[balmy condor]

The damage was too high but it should stack

[topaz echo]

doomblade-ish way of stacking is fine imo

[burnt star]

Whispyr. Maybe we should hold sim like they did on outlaw channel on next patch

Wtf sry cev.. it pinged the wrong.message

[limber lion]

I think we're done with sims for now afaik.

[grim tangle]

I think most people are thankful they knew the sims before the patch and switched venthyr

[fleet anchor]

Yeah it really does need a rework. It's far too sensitive to specific conditions to actually be functional. Without Haste snapshotting it'd probably never be used for anything.

[simple wadi]

I never thought I would miss Cev explaining the use of CT on Sire P2 10 times a day....but here we are

[balmy condor]

I think blood of the assassinated + exsang tick rate, all wrapped into aoe

Could be something

[limber lion]

And on top of it, it's just too fun of an ability to be so rubbish in practice. Maybe we'll see some Exsang plays further down the line, fingers crossed. 🤞

[balmy condor]

Like what if we got some way to have the blood of the assassinated thing under control

Like idk

[fleet anchor]

This is where I mentioned that we found a really hilarious bug with Deadly Poison not proc'ing from random things last night and now all of Whispyr's numbers are wrong and he has to re-do them. (But probably has very little impact on anything other than Dashing other than numbers will go down by like 100-200 DPS.)

[oak sky]

Is it always this much of a shitshow when a patch is releasing

[balmy condor]

What even is the bug

[limber lion]

I noticed that today when I was in PTR

[balmy condor]

Like what’s it not proc from

[limber lion]

I was raging how my Sub was doing 600 more dps than my Sin

[fleet anchor]

Deadly Poison apparently doesn't proc from things that every other poison procs on

Like Garrote, Rupture, SBS primary cast, and Shiv

[lone wren]

yes

[fleet anchor]

It's fairly minor in the grand scheme of things, just really strange

[balmy condor]

Is that new in 9.1? I thought we combed through deadly poison last patch

[loud light]

in terms of people asking what's best, yes. the personal attacks are a new thing

[fleet anchor]

Not totally sure when it appeared

Realistically it changes very little in relative terms

[lone wren]

i used to book 2 weeks work vacations for major patch/expansion releases, over the years learned not to do that and instead take 2 weeks off a month into a new patch/expansion lol

[balmy condor]

Cause I remember dashing bugs made us look at deadly

[fleet anchor]

Other than Dashing

[limber lion]

Is it implemented in the sims or is it still very fresh?

[fleet anchor]

I put it in last night

[cerulean nest]

to ur mom

[limber lion]

[fleet anchor]

Lievet gave a bunch of logs and I tested on dummies for like 2 hours

Was good times

It's amazing I found time between testing the dagger on PTR, implementing the Volatile Solvent changes, and nerfing Sub. 😄

[shrewd night]

Dont toss fuel on the fire please, koji

[fleet anchor]

But more seriously, it is definitely a really funny bug

[spice spire]

Koji

[fleet anchor]

Hopefully shouldn't have any major impact though

[balmy condor]

@fleet anchor marileth in too?

[limber lion]

Wonder how that even came to be

[silent fossil]

🍝

[limber lion]

Like I don't recall seeing anything related to poisons in a while

[fleet anchor]

First I thought it was an offensive poison issue

[balmy condor]

Guess I have some CONTENT for today

[fleet anchor]

Then I realized it worked fine on Wound Poison

It's literally just Deadly

[limber lion]

[lone wren]

it's amazing how much work you guys put in and as far as i know you are not even on blizzard payroll yet finding all these bugs for them lol

[steel bane]

Should be fixed rather quickly, no/

?

[balmy condor]

None of the theorycrafters get paid by blizzard for anything

It’s a passion project

[terse talon]

SOOOOO venth or necro????

just kidding

[lone wren]

i figured as much, i mean blizzard barely even pays their own employees ....they tend to pay them with "prestige". So all your hard work is appreciated!

[limber lion]

@fleet anchor Is the bug only present in PTR or is it in the live game as well?

[fleet anchor]

Parts of it appear to be on live

I only tested pieces

But again, it's not like it really changes much

Other than our final number

[balmy condor]

Kojiyama <Pieces>?

[limber lion]

Yeh, def not.

[dapper yew]

Im glad i didnt switch to necro from Venth

[balmy condor]

[fleet anchor]

Dashing would just be the one side effect but very few people using it atm

[limber lion]

You say that now

[fleet whale]

so is the NF leggo the worst designed leggo in wow history?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[fleet anchor]

Quite possibly yes

[fleet whale]

like at least prydaz and sephuz had utility in legion

[tidal gorge]

Does instant poison for the other specs have the same problem as deadly? If not that's even more hilarious.

[narrow girder]

i'm glad i swapped out of NF.. i hated sepsis

[vestal wren]

the nf legendary item can be adamage loss even on subtlety

[lone wren]

watch it get "reworked" 2 weeks into the patch and become bis

[limber lion]

You can literally lose dps by using it

[slim jay]

with them letting domination slots go on legendaries is cloak still the go to slot?

[vestal wren]

so i would say that quantifies as bad design

[odd hazel]

Will the new torghast be implemented right away ?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

No.

[fleet anchor]

Prydaz also had mad stats for the slot. It wasn't actually horrible. Probably better than NF legendary. 😛

[odd hazel]

Any idea when ?

[slim jay]

cool im glad i didnt buy a 4 cloak for no reason

[limber lion]

Next week

We only get the next chapter in the campaign and Korthia tomorrow.

Nothing else.

[fleet whale]

like what were the devs smoking when they made it

[balmy condor]

Well you’re gonna need to buy a rank 6 eventually

But yeh

You’re good

[lone wren]

the first week everyone will be busy freaking out and switching covenants every 7 hours. The real patch starts next week

[slim jay]

i know, but it will be a few weeks and i only have my shoulders at 210

[mint anvil]

I’m pretty sure torghast is being updated and goes to layer 9 tomorrow

[odd hazel]

Cool, will anything new torghast wise be there? ( more ash etc? )

[slim jay]

so I can have a rank 4 when servers are up

[vestal wren]

wasn't prydaz buffed in stat budget?

[fleet whale]

it couldn've been like your ambush deals 600% more damage after sepsis

and it would've been better

[fleet anchor]

Yeah Prydaz wasn't awful. Just kinda meh

Was actually my first Legiondary

[spice spire]

Embers and infinite ash right?

[vestal wren]

i got the 3 utility legendary items first

[fleet whale]

prydaz was also nice for the mage tower

[mortal patrol]

that would be fun in pvp

[vestal wren]

first dps legendary in nh

[limber lion]

That's what I thought as well, but someone else said something different. Fact checking now.

[forest beacon]

Just switched over to necro last night, I prefer to play sin rogue in m+ . Where does SBS fit in to multi target and ST opener.

[fleet anchor]

I was king generic

[fleet whale]

zold was my very last sin leggo

[fleet anchor]

I got Prydaz, Sephuz, and KJBW as my first three

[mint anvil]

Appreciate it

[fleet whale]

and i got it in 7.3

[strange python]

Was the proc for only 1 rogue for the daggers a bug or intended ?

[balmy condor]

After subterfuge garrotes

[limber lion]

Yeah, you were correct. It unlocks immediately.

[forest beacon]

@balmy condor thanks

[fleet anchor]

Bug. Apparently fixed on latest build.

[limber lion]

Thanks for the correction.

[balmy condor]

Np

[strange python]

Thank you

[mint anvil]

I mean. wish I wrong

Just means my break till 9.1 ends sooner

[limber lion]

:P

[mint anvil]

Let the maw chores begin

[fleet whale]

servers are still down...

[limber lion]

I'm going camping tomorrow and I also have a mythic reclear tomorrow.

That's going to be interesting.

[spice spire]

3.5 more hours sir

[forest beacon]

now to wait for servers to go live and grind renown!

[fleet whale]

yeah but we get a cutscene

so at least i can look foward to that

[tidal gorge]

I'm not even sure if my guild is going to survive to raid this patch. 🙃 I also don't know if I care enough to look again if it dies.

[south geode]

in 9.1 is there a way to skip the campaign of a covenant you've done on another toon?

[tidal gorge]

Hashtag alliancelife

[fleet whale]

lol my former guild died in like April

GM went cray cray

now i'm just in some casual normal/heroic guild

this is gonna be the first tier since SoO that i won't get AoTC

unless if i pay for a carry and i'm not gonna do that

[balmy condor]

I don’t believe so

[balmy condor]

I read to fast and saw “my former gm died in like April” and I was so devastated for a second oh my god

[mint anvil]

Was no special info on instant renown 40 skips, prob just super increases drop rates

[main solar]

I believe they added a skip for all the torghast portions in chapter 2 or whatever, but that's it.

[fleet whale]

I'm a scrub now, only have done 9/10 H Nathria

[balmy condor]

One of our longest members died of covid last year and it rocked our guild

Not fun

[oak sky]

That sucks

[umbral rapids]

:(

[teal bloom]

Sadge

[dapper yew]

RIP

[arctic hare]

RIP indeed

[gilded oasis]

sadge

[limpid plinth]

Just waiting for tomorrow

[reef axle]

People who say covid isn’t real, bullshit. You can see how it can and has taken lives.

[arctic hare]

Yeah

[frail forge]

Was buying a matress last year and talking to the sales guy. I was being my regular dumb sarcastic self and said something like "Oh Covid just a democratic hoax"...clearly sarcastically tho. Guys had 3 family members die of Covid a month prior

I had to buy the most expensive matress just to make up for how bad I felt

[untold verge]

@balmy condor double dagger = double proc and damage?

[limber lion]

@balmy condor double dick = double penetration?

[spice spire]

Still see it daily chief. Literally hundreds personally, truly sad times

[viscid spear]

Do you think he was being truthful?

[frail forge]

He was a mattress salesman so....maybe not?

I believed him at the time though.

[thorny pond]

That's a euphemism

[viscid spear]

I don't think mattress salesmen had a good year

Bought a couch earlier this year, took 3 months to get it.

[frail forge]

Yeah economy got fuked

[limber lion]

Ya'll got any more of those juicy sin logs

[thorny pond]

Juicy sin logs tn

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

They got rid of the ½ price wings deal at the pub I go to every Tuesday.

[thorny pond]

If you're the only one to parse, it's only ever gonna be 100"

[lone wren]

i got really sick with covid last year, lost my job because i couldn't work for about 3 months while recovering, even lost my raiding spot in my CE guild lol!

[frail forge]

That's what i tell the arcane mage in my guild

[lone wren]

now just trying to get back in the swing of things and hopefully get back in raiding mythic consistently out of pugs.

[balmy condor]

We’ll stream positive simming vibes later today

No sadgers in the chat

[thorny pond]

The sin CFs are too pure for this world

[limber lion]

Positive vibes only

You know the drill

[spice spire]

What about Napgers?

[limber lion]

[viscid spear]

No tears, only Obedience nerfs now

[thorny pond]

No negativity

[spice spire]

Nah obedience is chill

[balmy condor]

Sleep stream? All of sin comes together for a late night cuddle pile?

[viscid spear]

I just wanna play, not wait 3 more hours

[delicate bone]

is your stream just Whispyr? been meaning to catch a stream

[thorny pond]

Link in his profile

[spice spire]

Only if frosty is there too

[balmy condor]

Linked to my discord if you click my profile

[delicate bone]

of course it is 😆

mb

[balmy condor]

I should also show up in the #rogue-streamers thing

But I use Spotify which makes for a buggy mess

[thorny pond]

Makes for a copyrighted mess

[balmy condor]

I regularly get a ping when I END my stream

[thorny pond]

Screw Twitch, stream to pornhub

[balmy condor]

I know @vestal wren looked at it

But it’s just a mess

[spice spire]

[lucid meteor]

[cobalt pelican]

moroes old and senile

[thorny pond]

I'll stream topless

[delicate bone]

yea i dont spend much time on discord aside from voice chat when i get home though, just have twitch pulled up and usually on wow or something

[vestal wren]

anyone who does not show up just try typing !stream

[balmy condor]

Oh really

Is that a thing

Hype

[vestal wren]

moment, letme double check

[thorny pond]

No negativity

stahp

[spice spire]

Beach went from toxic to wholesome over a week. Truly a comeback anime arc

[vestal wren]

i think i need to modify it

[spice spire]

Bless

[vestal wren]

giveme a sec

[thorny pond]

New patch who dis

[vestal wren]

ye should work tbh

just try it

[balmy condor]

Sure I’ll hit it later

[vestal wren]

i think the problem is caching that fucks up the stream post

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[vestal wren]

i rewrote it in eris (prior used discord.js)

but the sevrer has 100k users so there is some caching magic happening i am not sure how to change

[cobalt pelican]

kick everyone with just the sub role

[viscid spear]

Haven't seen one in a while

[thorny pond]

😅

[cobalt pelican]

good

let's keep it that way

[shy dust]

[unborn marlin]

[viscid spear]

An imposter!
What are you hiding?

[thorny pond]

Blue bois aren't allowed

[unborn marlin]

The coins for your survivors bag

[thorny pond]

@inland hull Good boi saw the role removal

[odd hazel]

[inland hull]

Oh snap! I'm caught!

[odd hazel]

If I changed from mecha can I be forgiven

[spice spire]

Only if it’s to blood elf

[thorny pond]

@unborn marlin Good boi

[unborn marlin]

xDDDDD

[spice spire]

There’s the beach we all know 😛

Bullying people to sin

But also Sub’s aight

[odd hazel]

[thorny pond]

#check the pins

#slam shiv

[young nacelle]

sub doo doo

[spice spire]

SUb’s a fun spec, I’m just a boring OTP 😛

[ashen anchor]

Sin doo doo except when exsang is good

[young nacelle]

[odd hazel]

Go back to fighting

[young nacelle]

sub and outlaw doo doo
fite me

[odd hazel]

[young nacelle]

[ashen anchor]

[spice spire]

[viscid spear]

[vestal zodiac]

Whats feelycraft math on sylvanas damage bonus?

[alpine latch]

What bonus damage?

The bonus dagger from the dagger that they removed?

The daggers are statless with no proc right now

[spice spire]

0 because removed

[gusty mirage]

don't worry, it's a finished product guys

[young nacelle]

[gusty mirage]

highly polished

7 months of work shining

[thorny pond]

P-O-L-I-S-H

[gusty mirage]

[vestal zodiac]

Oh it got removed? I mean I'm not great at math, but it was only really a 1-2% gain anyway

[young nacelle]

multi dollar company btw

[thorny pond]

I can go to costco and get a 10 pack of shoeshine boxes

Think that'll help?

[spice spire]

I only want 9.1 to be good so oxi will continue to be a rogue boy

[gusty mirage]

The proc was disabled because it was bugged to shit

[odd hazel]

Oxi brother

Don’t leave us

[smoky bluff]

that "highly polished" comment, lold, and sadge

[gusty mirage]

[viscid spear]

"Here's some butter knives"

[odd hazel]

I only want 9.1 to be good so oxi will continue to be a rogue boy :peepoShy:

@spice spire

[spice spire]

Nice copy paste

[odd hazel]

I quoted you

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

[odd hazel]

Senpai

[young nacelle]

[vestal wren]

it would be nice if we could give more content than a emote to messages.