assassination

[spice spire]

But once snd is up, it should be up forever

[hollow river]

unless your tank is trolling

[spice spire]

And you can keep up snd between your CT stuff

[fiery cape]

Yeah.. as for the target swapping its a bit of overhead.. on my dh, I can just tunnel the main target and cleave everything without ever changing my target... lol

[spice spire]

And I often troll

[hollow river]

yeah sin in m+ is much more difficult than ST

[spice spire]

Oh yeah sin cleave is hella fun but definitely a bit more challenging

You get used to it

[hollow river]

takes getting used to yeah

[teal bluff]

is CT higher prio in aoe than rupture?

[hollow river]

yes

[teal bluff]

got it cause i think in ST its the other way around

[hollow river]

mmm not 100% sure

think you're correct tho

[fiery cape]

... and when outside a shiv window, if I have 4 or 5 cp and ct is falling off, refreshing ct is higher priority than envenom? Even on a single target?

[hollow river]

in ST i think you can just omit CT and use envenoms and barely lose like 20dps

iirc

[hollow river]

yes its higher prio, on ST aswell

[fiery cape]

Elaborate planning or master poisoner? I've been running ep.

[hollow river]

i'm not 100% sure i'm correct in stating you can omit CT in ST and barely lose and dps period.

but i've heard that.

[hollow river]

yes EP

[hazy geyser]

so how does the new dagger work? do we get 2x debuffs with double dagger or is it just 1 debuff?

[hollow river]

2x iirc

doubles the proc rate

check the pins for new dagger info, it's in there

[hazy geyser]

but it also says double the damage

that part makes no sense

[hollow river]

how so

[hazy geyser]

" Equipping 2 daggers seems to not only double the proc rate, but also the damage"

[hollow river]

hmm so it's not clear whether it just doubles the damage entirely, or if it doubles the damage of each proc? is what you're saying

[hazy geyser]

yeah

[hollow river]

i can see where you're coming from. for now i would assume the former i stated above.

"just doubles the damage entirely"

[gusty mirage]

master poisoner is only useful in pvp

[hollow river]

until you've heard from someone more knowledgeable

how those sims looking @gusty mirage

[gusty mirage]

well me and the apl are having a fight right now

and the apl is winning

so

[rugged heron]

oof

[hollow river]

[gusty mirage]

what's that term where you're diving deep into something you're kinda a potato at? Being in over your head?

Yeah that's me rn

[rugged heron]

you had me at potato

[gusty mirage]

🥔

^

me

[hollow river]

hahah

[jagged yoke]

anyone know if i change from fae to necro and then to venthyr can i go back to necro straight away?

[hollow river]

not straight away no

[gusty mirage]

you'd have to do the 2 reset questchain to go back

[hollow river]

^^^

[jagged yoke]

gawd damn

[hollow river]

you must choose only one, young padded one.

[jagged yoke]

might test them on ptr then

[hollow river]

there are sims in the pins that might help you pick also

but if you want to test how the feel to play then that might be your best bet

[jagged yoke]

yeh exactly thats what im thinking....wasnt liking necro before but hopefully come around to it

[hollow river]

it feels much better since it was buffed

it effects your playstyle the most.

venth and fae you just press for buff etc

[jagged yoke]

yeh i was sub rogue on launch and didnt really like fae either

[hollow river]

same but i was kyrian

didn't care for that much either

[balmy condor]

he's getting there

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

had to call for backup

[hollow river]

what he called you for help?

understandable

[balmy condor]

little guidance

[spice spire]

Are these local sims, I hope?

Gotta stay on brand oxi

[balmy condor]

sims will be ready august 47th, 3045

[spice spire]

Truly based sims just in time for the release of 9.3

[oak sky]

500.1

[torn atlas]

Prior to expansion launch I was deadset against playing Necro, but 9.05 helped show me the light. Now that the initial sims are showing Venth (my fav cov) as best for dual specing Sub and Sin, I'm having a tough time convincing myself I don't want to be a Stinky boi

[hollow river]

same.

comtemplating switching back venthyr

[torn atlas]

SBS just fits so well

[sonic schooner]

i hope ppl will learn how to read pins when we will arrive in 3045

[hollow river]

never gonna happen

[torn atlas]

Hate the mog, mate that maldraxxis is a living, breathing diabetic ulcer, but love the class ability and soulbinds haha. So torn.

[hollow river]

it's a tough decision but the ability to viably spec sub when you want sounds nice

[fiery cape]

I like necro because sbs are always available and you can spam and spread them across mobs and get them back when they die. Deliberating on when to use flagellation, with its 90 cd, means i either don't use it enough or don't have it when i need it.. lol

Also, a warr thought he was going to gank me in wpvp, but as I rotted him down he tried to leap away and I blasted him in the back with a couple sbs and nuked him... hunter rogue ftw

[gloomy knoll]

potatos are the most versatile fruit

don't undersell yourself oxi

[hollow river]

Haven’t they changed the soulbind charges thing a bit

Shorter cd or something

[oak sky]

Venthyr leather mogs are gross

Wait

Necro

Mistyper

Venthyr ones are nice

[whole bluff]

NF set:

[balmy condor]

NF lego:

NF anything:

[oak sky]

Nf mount:

[hollow river]

Kyrian mog bis

The black and purple version

Is sxy

[oak sky]

I actually almost started fae just for the mount but i qent venthyr instead and ended up ready for 9.0.5

[whole bluff]

What is the NF mount? Some gorm or butterfly?

[oak sky]

Its like a sheep thing

Super cool honestly

The butterflies are drops and things i have a couple of them, those are cool too

[hollow river]

Have you guys seen the new six months sub mount 9.1?

It’s like a two headed dragon looking thing

[oak sky]

Is it like a flayedwing

[balmy condor]

two balls and a shaft?

[hollow river]

uwotm8

[balmy condor]

you ever seen one of them flayedwing

[thorny pond]

Whispyr needs some sleep

[oak sky]

True!

[spice spire]

Whispyr doesn’t sleep tf

[hollow river]

now i can't find it wtf

venthyr mount looks pog

[sonic schooner]

Tbh NF shoulders are great looking

[whole bluff]

Get out

[hollow river]

the nf daggers aren't terrible

that's about it

[oak sky]

Imagine you could have necro ability venthyr mog nf mount qnd kyrian was deleted 🙂

All the covenants in harmony

Except kyrian ig but who wants wow lightmodr anyway

[torn atlas]

Well the story line for 9.1 is that the covenants are starting to work together again, was hoping it would mean we'll start to get some form of cross covenant stuff, but that doesn't sound like something they will actually give us.

[thorny pond]

In 9.3 when it doesn't matter anymore you'll get weird shit like that

[fiery cape]

When do we get flying?

[gusty mirage]

IIRC it’s tied to the campaign quest

[fiery cape]

.. and as for the mounts, the Vicious Warr Spider is the coolest

[thorny pond]

Like week 2 or 3

[fiery cape]

We get flying in 2 or 3 weeks? 9.1?

[torn atlas]

Isn't it at renown 44? Or am I confusing that with something else that unlocks then.

[balmy condor]

renown 45 I believe

[fiery cape]

Sweet.. thx

Yup... renown 44 and chapter 12 of the covenant Campain... unlocks account wide
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-unlock-flying-in-shadowlands-patch-9-1

[jagged yoke]

How fast is getting renown up after changing covenant

[thorny pond]

Pretty quickly

Just do content

Heroic dungeons dailies

Raid

[fiery cape]

I just swapped from venthyr to necro at reset. I finished the campaign and I'm renown 34 now.

[jagged yoke]

Ah ok so it ain't really gated

[dawn pike]

lfr renown farm is really quick

[fathom flax]

!covenant

[thorny pond]

in the pins

[fathom flax]

My man

[jagged yoke]

Nice I'll proba switch to Necro today then

[fathom flax]

Same

Didn’t there used to be a UI thread somewhere, I’ve just resubbed and trying to make mine less shit

Please and ty

[whole bluff]

!wa

no?

or was it something else

[civic trellis]

try outlaw channel

idk, it used to work

Not working rn

[median aurora]

a ui is a personal kinda thing, can you define "less shit"? like, are you losing performance ie dots falling off because you aren't tracking them properly or potentially dying to mechanics if ur boss mod timers aren't in a place you can track them easily?

[thorny pond]

Link a Screenshot

[thorny pond]

http://iam.yellingontheinternet.com/2014/01/29/raid-awareness-is-a-learned-and-practiced-skill/

Read thru that

Dated but still relevant. Most of us are using the same damn UI as each other around here anymore

[jagged yoke]

I use adriox UI with class wa too

[fierce haven]

love that post

[balmy condor]

I love all of you beautiful people

[thorny pond]

We love you too boss

[empty hinge]

[balmy condor]

I'm finally caught up on sims

insane

[thorny pond]

Go to bed plz

[gloomy knoll]

bussin

[balmy condor]

work tho

[thorny pond]

Take care of yourself chief

[balmy condor]

chug more mountain dew and fruit punch, order another 4lbs of hi-chew and pass out till 3pm

aye aye capn

[gloomy knoll]

[thorny pond]

If you die and go to heck, the patch notes change daily and it never releases

[gloomy knoll]

one of my guildies did that with warheads

he's pooping blood

[thorny pond]

Did you tell him he is not supposed to swallow them whole?

[gloomy knoll]

can't eat pure citric acid lol

in handfulls

[balmy condor]

I just make my spit pretty colors with the flavors man

[gloomy knoll]

i love me some hi chews

[thorny pond]

I should buy stocks in hi chew during PTR cycles

[balmy condor]

I buy the 1lb packs cause it's cheaper

[thorny pond]

4# is 2799 on amazon

[balmy condor]

but then I realized I get 33% off

for 4lbs

so I bought 4lbs

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[thorny pond]

Lol put a gofund me up. I'll gladly donate to the "Keep Whispyr alive" fund

[gusty mirage]

@thorny pond did you come over? Because my front lawn has turned into a pseudo beach

[oak sky]

What happened

[gusty mirage]

My street is now a river

[thorny pond]

Lmao it’s been hurricane here sorry

Beach is closed for the season

[oak sky]

Oh shit is it going bad on east coast or something

[gusty mirage]

I’m in the Midwest and we’ve been getting slammed with rain all day

[oak sky]

Damn

[gusty mirage]

^ me

[thorny pond]

Have you been to the great state of Ohio? Its always atrocity weather

[oak sky]

I dont even know what weather is

[gusty mirage]

They’re south of us and we don’t like them

[thorny pond]

I’m just here for the free meth shows

[limber swallow]

Pretty sure no one likes Ohio.

[oak sky]

I get like 3 hot seasons and 1 brisk and a little rain season

[thorny pond]

That and I can vacation to my favorite place

[balmy cradle]

anyone knows if hemotoxin heal reduce stacks with wound poison?

[thorny pond]

It should

Ask #pvp

[balmy cradle]

i did

[thorny pond]

And they sent you to us?

Oof

[balmy cradle]

nah they vanished from sight

[jagged yoke]

Has there been changes since the last Sims? Or those are the ones going into 9.1?

[thorny pond]

It’s kinda slow right now for them. I believe it does but don’t quote me on that

Sims from yesterday are basically it man. Whispyr just said there are more done but in relation to what you’d have to ask

Nothing radical is going to throw the shift off too much and we all kinda see how it’ll lay out

[jagged yoke]

Ah yeh sweet ty man

[civic trellis]

I wonder if we'll get any pi next tier

Since it seems we get more from it than dks

[torpid sparrow]

hello , gonna play necro at 9.1 , does anyone have a good wa for gemmstone proc?

[civic trellis]

https://wago.io/qqOi9WwfY

that's mine

[torpid sparrow]

ty

[teal bluff]

do i need to do anything special before using shiv in multi-target? In single target i pool energy and cp before using it is that worth in multi-target?

or do i just slam it and forget about it?

[hollow river]

!shiv

O

Pretty sure you just slam it

In any target amount

Pooling -30 from max energy for envenoms outside of shiv

[teal bluff]

got it ty

maybe im overthinking it, i'll just press it

[balmy condor]

yep

just slam

someone pointed out that in dungeonslice, the sim ended a pack by casting shiv on the very last GCD

so I tried to improve that

and it wasn't a gain

it's too powerful

just slam and go

[pastel roost]

Soryy if already too much asked, but where can i find the most up to dates sim ? are they the on in pins ?

[willow eagle]

Don't think there are properly updated simms

Because there's a lot of last minute balancing going on

So it's changing daily

[pastel roost]

Really ? even this weekend ptr is changing ?

[soft shale]

and next week too

[willow eagle]

Like

[soft shale]

blizz is doing the college way of last day changes

[willow eagle]

Domination gems got rebalanced recently

[pastel roost]

i expected next week for the mythic raid, but i gathered that this was it for 9.1 launch right now

[willow eagle]

Aka unholy gems got nuked

And then there's the mystery of bron

[pastel roost]

Ok , thanks for the reply guys, guess i'll wait

Just to be sure , as i am necrolord right now ( i think it was still good for assa/outlaw) , are you guys preparing kyrian just in case ?

[gleaming fable]

If you only care about assassin the sims are accurate i would say

[willow eagle]

Necro is a safe bet

[gleaming fable]

kyrian wont be good for assassin regardless of what happens

[willow eagle]

Kyrian is if you wanna go outlaw/sub

But that might be a gamble because mikanikos seems a bit over the dps budget vs other soulbinds

[pastel roost]

I mean , sub is interesting but even with sim advantage i don't see it staying the relevent spec over assa as it lose a lot of dps for any reason( melee uptime, kyrian maybe nerf etc..)

but meh i could be wrong

[willow eagle]

Loss of uptime is overrated

But sin is always the safe option for prog

[slow marsh]

Sin is safer but imo there don't seem to be any crazy punishing mechanics in most of the fights so the sub hype is for sure real

[gleaming fable]

I wouldn't say its overrated when sub and sin are so close in single target to begin with

well depending on what happens to mikanikos xD

[slow marsh]

It's healthy that sub would have higher ST potential than sin anyways so i'm good with it

[willow eagle]

Don't think mika is the contender here

Since obedience is what sub really likes

[gleaming fable]

Well obediance sub is only 100 dps ahead of sin(maybe a bit more with sylv dagger), so the downtime disadvantage might put sin ahead is what im saying basically

[slow marsh]

I agree

[gleaming fable]

either way im playing sub 🙂

should be totally good enough for people not pushing prog super hard

[slow marsh]

The issue i'm having right now is whether or not to swap back to venthyr to optimize the niche of rogue ST or stay necro. Doesn't seem like there are any "cleave" fights that matter other than the nine

[jagged yoke]

most people going necro?

[dim temple]

yea

[jagged yoke]

would it be stupid macroing ambush to mutilate?

[cold spoke]

yes

[dim temple]

yes

[cold spoke]

you also cant do that so

[jagged yoke]

ah damn

[cold spoke]

im staying venthyr personally

[teal bluff]

Is it ok to refresh rupture inside of shiv?

[frail fossil]

yes u press shiv on cd, so if it lands on a rupture refresh timer u just run with it, tho do try to plan ahead and to make sure to reapply rupture so u dont need to during shiv, even if u need to reapply it outside of shiv when it's not in pandemic

honestly i almost never have to refresh a rupture into a shiv window without paying much attention to it

[stone plover]

Hey guys, just wondering if nightfae will be viable in 9.1

[balmy condor]

[stone plover]

Dam, must be a no, my group doesn't have a nightfae so was thinking if i should go nightfae

[balmy condor]

Oh you’re serious

[stone plover]

YEP

[balmy condor]

Nightfae is 4-8% down in basically every form

[jagged yoke]

what u choosing @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I’m playing venth sin/sub

[fleet anchor]

But then you'll miss out on this

😄

[balmy condor]

Game breaking

It’s like LBE but worse?

[brazen rampart]

[pseudo hamlet]

Is the Night Fae seriously so bad?

[balmy condor]

That sounds great

[fleet anchor]

Actually probably more potentially game breaking is that Pustules is pretty strong

Get pumped for the fleshcraft APL tomorrow

[balmy condor]

It’s the worst choice for all 3 specs kinda

[balmy condor]

If it out sims heirmir I’m going to break your face koji

[fleet anchor]

Highly possibly it will beat Venthyr

[balmy condor]

Very respectfully break your face

[fleet anchor]

Let alone Heirmir

[slow marsh]

Time to go back vampie boi cuz i just copy pasta what whisp does

[willow eagle]

Pustules simming high

[pseudo hamlet]

Damn... gonna change my Cov to Necro then.
Bye bye "free gold" from the conservatory. 😦

[fleet anchor]

I mean atm on Mystler's bulk comparisons Emeni was 48th but only like 70 DPS behind Heirmir

[balmy condor]

Fleshcraft for damage

[fleet anchor]

When I was running this with Havoc sims Pustules was almost worth 3% lol

[brazen rampart]

[slow marsh]

Vanish for damage why not

[fleet anchor]

Won't be that high for Assassination

But even if it's 1-2% it will win easy

[balmy condor]

Oh then probably fine

[jagged yoke]

how do u get damage from fleshcraft? just stand in shit?

[fleet anchor]

It's only 1% behind Heirmir atm

[willow eagle]

Get healed or do damage

[fleet anchor]

It literally just pops every 1 second ICD

because overheals work

And SnD heals work

[willow eagle]

I'd assume you wouldn't want it in raid

[fleet anchor]

So you just channel Fleshcraft and get 1 proc per second for 9 seconds

[willow eagle]

Standing 3 secs channeling doesn't seem like an ideal playstyle

Unless you have intermissions like council or slg

[fleet anchor]

That's like.. literally what people do to use Fleshcraft as it is? 😛

[slow marsh]

but when would i use sbs if i am going emeni

[fleet anchor]

Considering Assassination has like 15% downtime

Channeling Fleshcraft for 3s every 2 minutes is not exactly a big deal

We have over 40s of downtime every 5 minutes

Just dump your energy and channel lol

[fleet anchor]

Pretty sure that's gonna stomp Heirmir actually lol

That's basically enough DPS to bring it up to Nadjia/Venthyr level 😛

[balmy condor]

God I hate that

[fleet anchor]

Take that Venthyr scum

[viscid marten]

Y'all make me more lost on what covenant to go everytime I check this disc

[fleet anchor]

I mean I think it's been the same for a while. Necro or Venthyr are probably best depending on what you are up to.

[midnight stirrup]

Depends, if Kyrian will be #1 for Outlaw and he‘ll play both, maybe someone can also take Kyr in consideration. Or am I wrong?

[fathom flax]

!legendary

God dammit

[fleet anchor]

If your goal is to play Assassination+Outlaw, Necrolord is probably the choice

[arctic walrus]

doomblade

[fleet anchor]

Kyrian is not good for Assassination

[fathom flax]

Doom blade on cloak right?

So have to recraft on Wednesday

[balmy condor]

Yes

[arctic walrus]

and have enough to craft obedience week 4

[fleet anchor]

Well technically you don't need to recraft until you are ready to craft your rank 6

Not like we're gonna have a hands gem slot on day one

[fathom flax]

Sorry I’ve been gone a while these have probably been answered a lot

[arctic walrus]

actually @balmy condor

[fleet anchor]

Initially it really doesn't matter

[arctic walrus]

can you help me with a quickie

[fathom flax]

I have r4 gloves atm so yeah I’ll wait

[balmy condor]

You can always have a quickie

[fleet anchor]

You just want to make sure your R5/R6 craft is in the right slot

[arctic walrus]

what sub with obedience vs sin with atm gear, no daggers

[fleet anchor]

No real rush to do it on day one or anything

[fathom flax]

Yeah fair

[arctic walrus]

you can do soulbinds for whatever you'll have unlocked by week 4

[balmy condor]

Uh idk let me dig through some DM’s

[fathom flax]

What is obedience

I’ve missed something

[south belfry]

New Venthyr legendary

[fathom flax]

Oui

[south belfry]

Oh lmao they nerfed the shit out of tazavesh neck

[dawn haven]

Is venthyr/obedience leggo going to be the best combo for raiding in 9.1?

Or should I just stay with Necro/doomblade on cloak because it wouldn't matter.

[south belfry]

I highly doubt, but who knows

[vestal wren]

probably ye

[dawn haven]

Cheers, ty.

[vestal wren]

a lot of people rly like necro too

and its a good alternative

[fathom flax]

Necro is a whole lot better for outlaw and m+ and venthyr is a whole lot better for sun and pure ST

So you can hedge your bets and go necro or play to a strength and go venthyr

[fleet anchor]

I wouldn’t say it’s a whole lot better in ST

Necro will be closer in ST than it was this tier

[royal lantern]

No koji

~1%= whole lot better

[fleet anchor]

I think the only reason to go Venthyr is if you plan to play Sub as well

[drifting cloud]

I wouldnt say the only reasoon

just the biggest one

[teal bloom]

Plague deviser marileth stonks?

[twin bolt]

Yo guys, you think we should be the best melee raid spec? or are fury/havoc above us?

in 9.1

[fathom flax]

Rogue will be one of the top

[fleet anchor]

Well Ryler I just mostly think if Necro is within 1% on ST it’s just probably better. It’s so much stronger with any adds.

[teal bloom]

Rogue will most likely do more dps but dh and warrior are required for raid buff

[fathom flax]

I think also if you plan on doing m+

Ass will be good in m+ I think but outlaw will always be better and venthyr isn’t the best for outlaw but necro outlaw m+ rocks

I think

[frigid sleet]

How many pure single target fights are in that raid anyway

[vestal wren]

Sub could be good in m+ in 9.1

Most fights are St heavy

[slow marsh]

All of them

You don't win until the boss hits 0

[fathom flax]

Also depends if you wanna pvp

[royal lantern]

Bro

[slow marsh]

Memes aside though the add fights don't seem to be that big a deal

[royal lantern]

Whats up with people here straight up pushing missinformation

Jesus

[azure bronze]

What misinformation are you talking about ??

[royal lantern]

Mate, when somone here says 100% serious and as a fact "venthyr isna whole lot better for st, you can hedge your bets and go necro, or play your strenghts and Go venthyr"

Just, what?

People gonna read that and belive it, when its simply not true at all

[azure bronze]

Venthyr is only 80 dps ahead sim wise of necro assa ST

I don't know where you get your information from

[fathom flax]

Like I’m sorry for quoting the sims

[slow marsh]

I mean it happens when we have lots of people coming back to the class/spec or looking to reroll. People are just excited in general. At the end of the day things are just getting started and will probs change with more tuning in the next week

[azure bronze]

Which is like 0.5%damage difference on ST profile

So yes it's kinda close

[iron orchid]

th gap will also reduce when new spell data for SBS is implemented (which allows it to crit) and maybe changes to soulbinds can have some impact too

[azure bronze]

I think that's already implemented

[slow marsh]

I believe this is already including that change but not 100%

[limber lion]

Yes

Has been for a while.

[iron orchid]

Nvm

[azure bronze]

Currently only the daggers/fist weps/ some of the new trinkets haven't been implemented

and the soulbind changes they made on thursday I believe?

[balmy condor]

Obedience was only simming 12 seconds vers

Apparently

[slow marsh]

In the current sims?

[balmy condor]

In the pinned ones

[slow marsh]

Yike

[balmy condor]

So guess who’s resimming tomorrow

[slow marsh]

Truly doing the lord's work

[azure bronze]

poor raidbot is

[iron orchid]

You should probably just stop there and wait for everything to be in tho

[limber lion]

Are the daggers still fucky wucky bugged? @balmy condor

[iron orchid]

like daggers and shit

[fathom flax]

All I was trying to say was that necro seems more versatile across the board for different content, pve and pvp, it’s only not that great for sub

Sozlol

[balmy condor]

Yeh

[limber lion]

Sadge

[slow marsh]

I mean you can't go wrong with any cov right now save night fae

[balmy condor]

Yeh maybe but then I have nothing to do

[fathom flax]

It’s so awks because I’ve been away for so long I’m still NF haha

[iron orchid]

You know you could actually play the game too

[dawn pike]

noob question, what is the lashing conduit ?

[balmy condor]

What game

[balmy condor]

Venth conduit

[iron orchid]

[vestal wren]

The Sim game

[fathom flax]

World of simcraft

[dawn pike]

ah thanks

[slow marsh]

Better start that renown journey fren lol

[tulip nacelle]

simming while locked inside Kojis basement the game

[limber lion]

Stream is looking great, gotta strike will the iron is hot

[iron orchid]

True

[unborn nest]

@balmy condor do you think the flagellation fix will put obedience as best leg?

[slow marsh]

Simming is how whisp plays wow so

[iron orchid]

Aren't you supposed to sleep @balmy condor ?

[vestal wren]

Wait is whispyr streaming again while he should sleep?

[iron orchid]

So you can stream your sims before I go to bed tonight ?

[fathom flax]

Yeah I’ve got most of this week off work to catch up, go team

[balmy condor]

I just got home from work like an hour ago

[balmy condor]

It’ll be really strong

[iron orchid]

oh ok

[slow marsh]

Pro tip get a group of renown farmers and queue plaguefall, skip first two bosses and only do last 2. 15 min guaranteed renown up to 30 then do campaign

[iron orchid]

The 12s obedience thing applied to all sims right ? so It'd mean it'd become stronger for sub too ?

[fathom flax]

So I’m like 2k anima off of getting the achv for all level 2s so I get more anima so I was gonna crush that out then farm

But My actual goal is KSM in 3 days

[slow marsh]

You do you

[neon cloak]

the two options we got are Ven - Sin/sub or Necro Sin/outlaw < this is still valid.

[balmy condor]

Yes

[teal bloom]

Subtlety

[iron orchid]

[umbral rapids]

Did something change ?

[vestal wren]

Could make venthyr a bit op

[iron orchid]

Well that'd probably make venthyr catch up to kyrian ST for sub ?

[balmy condor]

Koji told me sims are doing 24 second vers a month ago

And I’ve been telling people it’s 24 second vers

And it’s been 12

[limber lion]

Welp

[warm parcel]

Misinfo

[frosty cedar]

oof

[warm parcel]

[slow marsh]

Reported for sure

[vestal wren]

Tbh I assumed it was full duration too

But we'll

[slow marsh]

For playing with my heart

[umbral rapids]

So venthyr shiild be weaker than it is currently in sims?

[neon cloak]

guys what would be the best bid? going with which 😄

[drifting cloud]

atleast dk and rae will be happy

[umbral rapids]

I just woke up i’m fried

[warm parcel]

So how many necro copiums gonna stick to it?

[balmy condor]

Obedience specifically

[warm parcel]

Or we seeing more red after this?

[slow marsh]

I'm staying Necro until otherwise forced out

[umbral rapids]

Yeah. I see. Thanks Whispyr ❤️

[iron orchid]

I'm waiting for the fleshcraft tweaks

[balmy condor]

Pustululs from fleshcraft are pumping

Says koji

[digital zodiac]

so is venth looking a biut better this week in sims?

[neon cloak]

i am lost 😄

[umbral rapids]

Why would it better am I dumb???

[azure bronze]

it totally depends on what you prefer to play honestly

if you prefer to play assa and outlaw

then necro is a good pick

[slow marsh]

But venthyr means all in on thrill seeker

[azure bronze]

if you want to play sub/assa then go venthyr

[slow marsh]

Soo..

[neon cloak]

i am all about raiding

[warm parcel]

Heretics I say

[neon cloak]

so what would be better for progress

[azure bronze]

Venthyr most likely

[slow marsh]

Tbd

[drifting cloud]

we should go back to if you have to ask it doesnt matter for you its way more edgy

[neon cloak]

May i ask why? or is it too long answer 😄

[slow marsh]

Raid is pretty much all ST outside of KT so pushing your ST in sin would be the easiest answer for prog

[neon cloak]

i c

[azure bronze]

that and it allows you to play both the 2 strongest ST rogue specs

[umbral rapids]

Wait sin doesn’t even care about obedience…

[balmy condor]

Need to resim for bugs and marileth
Sims are still shaky. Please don’t freak out. You can still play venth/necro and be perfectly fine. If you haven’t chosen yet, that’s fine, if you’ve chosen already, that’s fine too. Your choice is valid and you are beautiful.

TLDR: YOUR COVENANT IS FINE. YOURE FINE. ITS GOING TO BE OKAY. PICK ONE

[neon cloak]

what are we talking about % wise between ven and necro ST

[slow marsh]

Depends right now. Not a clear answer yet

[umbral rapids]

Why better :(((

[slow marsh]

For pure boss damage venthyr for sure

[teal bloom]

Wholesome whispyr

[soft shale]

pustules are emeni

no sleep does bad bad

[neon cloak]

it seems 1% right?

[azure bronze]

currently yes

but sylv daggers haven't been implemented yet

nor the obedience fix

[balmy condor]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

Obedience fix is in

Just Not simmed yet

[azure bronze]

ah okay

[soft shale]

although marileth does seem lit kevin seems interesting

[rustic thunder]

What was the fix?

[neon cloak]

i will be fked if ven became way stronger 😄 i just lvled my rouge few days ago and it was ven at the beginning and for some reason i switched to necro before i reach 40. 😄

[warm parcel]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/9e17bb446ede95d395646a7b32f608939f5954f1

[soft shale]

also pvp buff now that it always gives mastery

[azure bronze]

an extra 12 sec of vers

It was only simming 12 sec of vers instead of 24

[rustic thunder]

Spicy

Should be a lot better now for ST

[jagged yoke]

whats aoe rotation look like for assassination necro?

[drowsy parcel]

how does emeni pustules work in sims, just hardcasting fleshcraft on cooldown?

[brisk garnet]

If we wanna stay flexible everything would work okayish if we just "avoid" mastery and aim for crit>haste=vers yeah?

[limber lion]

Garrotes up, snd up, ct up, sbs up, ruptures up

[soft shale]

yea mastery is only decent in a m+ enviroment

everywhere else crit is >>>>>

[balmy condor]

Apl hasn’t been pushed yet

[soft shale]

and even then

[brisk garnet]

Thinking across all three specs sorry

[limber lion]

Gar gar gar gar ct sbs sbs rup sbs rup is a good opener if you have snd up already.

[jagged yoke]

damn just realised i didnt have crimson tempest at all...is that really good now?

[limber lion]

It has always been good

Nothing new.

[balmy condor]

You take it on anything with more than raw single target

[jagged yoke]

oh damn i havent played sin for ages didnt know

[drowsy parcel]

yeah i know its early stages i was just curious about general use

its interesting with fleshcraft as a dps cooldown

[limber lion]

For now.

[soft shale]

well thanks god you didnt live the dream of ct st

[balmy condor]

On cooldown is usually a good rule

[soft shale]

you also have to be on melee on what you want to hit

dont use it prepull or you int popping them before

as they get popped by snd and any heal

[umbral rapids]

how does it make it better ?

i'm confuzzle

maybe me stupid

[balmy condor]

12 seconds good

24 seconds more good

[umbral rapids]

oh it's going from 12 to 24?

i misunderstood your first message

[limber lion]

Yes

[umbral rapids]

well that makes sense

i thought it was the opposite

[limber lion]

The haste currently lasts for 24s

But the new vers from Obi only lasts for 12s

Fixerino makes it 24s

Very pog.

[jagged yoke]

do we open with ambush always?

[limber lion]

Never

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[jagged yoke]

o shit...im guessing use garrote then?

[teal bloom]

Mutilate with master assassin, garrote with subterfuge

[jagged yoke]

awesome thanks

[teal bloom]

Or sbs with ma if necro

[limber lion]

Would recommend reading a guide and not guessing.

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[jagged yoke]

lol yeh fair enough

[royal lantern]

so...you mean...... 36seconds would be even gooder?

[vestal wren]

venthyr 📈

[soft shale]

and assa was already free from the owl frenzy

praise

[royal lantern]

the owl frenzy is hillarious ngl

people overreacting to covenant changes

right now

in a state of the game where stuff changes

https://tenor.com/view/law-of-attraction-brain-power-mind-euphoria-gif-16710651

[drifting cloud]

well the Bron buffs are very sus

[royal lantern]

instead of chilling and waiting for mythic release patch, to see what will probably stay good

[drifting cloud]

mostly for other kyrian classes its insane

its not gonna break rogue

[royal lantern]

i mean, i have a high feeling its gonna get the pelagos treatment

[iron orchid]

same

[drifting cloud]

doesnt dh just get x4 bron uptime or something now

[soft shale]

yea i mean when you also see bron bring 10% of damage on heals

[royal lantern]

remember how hyped pelagos was? and then turned way worse cus they adjusted it?

[soft shale]

you know its getting the slam jam

[potent dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[soft shale]

bron has the same problem as pelagos

it has damage after potency

[neon cloak]

guys in sin-necro we are always going with Heirmir right?

[soft shale]

not necessarily

emeni seems that ts is competitive in 9.1

[potent dagger]

Depend on the covenant change , Emeni has not been simed for now

[soft shale]

but you will need the capstone

so until renown liek 59 forget about the snake princess

[neon cloak]

so for now Heirmir

till we get more renown and sim it

[soft shale]

yea heirmir better now

and first week is same as they all get potency

onwards it depends

[neon cloak]

cool

ty

[jagged yoke]

how much lower is assassination aoe to outlaw?

[thorny pond]

It’s still competes it’s just not brain dead like OL

There’s nice pins to give you a relative answer

[jagged yoke]

any idea what to craft doomblade on for 9.1?

[south belfry]

Cape

[jagged yoke]

oh in the jounral it says hands/feet

hands/shoulders

[south belfry]

Cant make it until 9.1

[drifting cloud]

cape is a 9.1 slot

[jagged yoke]

oh right guess ill wait

[brisk garnet]

Sin feels worse the lower the key too, Outlaw can basically delete a pack before you have subterfuged in 15s

[deep solstice]

Outaw is a lot more relaxed to play in keys in general. DoT management is a lot of work to play optimally.

[odd hazel]

That outlaw must be pumping to do that in seconds

Which won’t be the case 90% of the time even if it happens.

Sin feels fine in mythic +

Lets not lie to people

We have plenty of peeps here who play it at 20+

[pure sentinel]

is doom blade better than obedience?

[brisk garnet]

No I'm saying it's better in 20s than say Tyran 15s where it just feels shit to have the pack die before you gar half the time

[odd hazel]

Nothing is dieing In that span of seconds

[limber lion]

You can just play the MA build in lower keys.

It's more frontloaded.

[iron orchid]

More simming is required. For sin ST, doomblade will probably be better still. But perhaps you could use obedience as venthyr in other situations. Also, obedience should be sub's best leggo for venthyr in any situation.

[odd hazel]

I did see obedience doing well in dungeon slice

Nadja triple potency + obedience

But that’s with no sylvanas daggers

[pure sentinel]

good thing they are both cloak

[odd hazel]

Yeah if that’s what we end up using it’ll be nice to not worry about two slots

[red bloom]

Oh shit

Cev is green now

[limber lion]

:')

[deep solstice]

He caught an unfortunate stomach illness.

[south belfry]

Spooned

[sudden nacelle]

We still going necrolord, or are we having another existential crisis about covenants today too

[limber lion]

Still waiting for the sims.

No need to do anything hasty yet

[pallid hollow]

Hasty is my middle name

[split furnace]

fckn love the pins ❤️

every1 freaking out for the best covenant XD

[lone minnow]

lil confused with the last pin

is venthyr better than necro for sin?

[split furnace]

it is always safe to wait after 9.1

not before

[halcyon blade]

its still early in the day plenty of time for a breakdown later

[full tide]

Necro is so much more engaging to play

[gusty breach]

TLDR: YOUR COVENANT IS FINE. YOURE FINE. ITS GOING TO BE OKAY. PICK ONE

[full tide]

I have all covs at 40 xD

Ready to go

[lone minnow]

IM NOT FINE

[full tide]

But hope necro is good for raid

Which it will be Im sure

[limber lion]

For single target.

But we're getting new sims, new implementations, bug fixes etc. daily

So a lot of things constantly change.

[odd hazel]

Tbh play any of them

Except kyrian

Don’t play kyrian

[shut vector]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[steel ridge]

zoldycks goes on legs now right?

[limber lion]

Still, yes.

[lone minnow]

sin is still using doomblade atm right?

[vestal wren]

depends on the content

[steel ridge]

sadly my doomblade is on hands :/

[vestal wren]

my recommendation for legendary crafting is to work till heroic week

😉

[limber lion]

It is for all of us.

Cloak is a new slot coming in 9.1

Thanks Blizzard

[steel ridge]

yeah cloak takes alot of legendaries

which is fine

[limber lion]

For raids, yeah, looks like it. But you should wait before crafting anything new tbh

It takes 2 resets, so if you do the first part today and the next part the day of reset, then you gucci

Next week will be kinda slow anyways because we don't have Tazavesh or the raid available

[lone minnow]

fuck it, staying necro

[limber lion]

So a good time to farm the last bits of renown and whatnot

[limber lion]

Probably same :)

[lone minnow]

I love bone spike to much

[red bloom]

RL: James stope playing tbc and being lazy not prepping for 9.1

Me: nah it’s all good rogue discord said to chill

[limber lion]

There's honestly not much you can do to prep

[indigo thicket]

hey guys sorry for basic question im swapping to my rogue for 9.1 and i wanna play all 3 specs but main assassination with raid as my focus, is necro the best option for me?

[lone minnow]

yes

[limber lion]

Probably yes

[lone minnow]

I was faster than cev Pog

[limber lion]

Venthyr is a great choice as well

[grim jay]

I just wonder if you can regrind the new renown the week you swapped, if you decide to swap after first week of 9.1

[ocean shadow]

pAnIk

[lone minnow]

Depends what 2 specs you are leaning towards

check thepins for the answer to that @indigo thicket

[willow eagle]

I'd go venthyr because it unlocks sub
And venthyr outlaw is not too bad

[limber lion]

Probably, because we get more catchup in 9.1

[indigo thicket]

thanks guys for quick answers

[limber lion]

You can already get to like 35+ in a few days with current catcvup

No worries.

[grim jay]

ye I mean solely focused on the new renown 41+

considering you were a week behind sometimes when it bugged early in sl

[steel ridge]

and you get red glowing swords

[grim jay]

if you decided to swap

[agile wraith]

/

[limber lion]

Who knows.

[gusty mirage]

@limber lion hi you’re cute

[grim jay]

on the other hand I've only kyrian left on like 28-ish. not planning on swapping to kyrian anyways, considering it shouldnt end up overwhelmingly good

[limber lion]

hi handsome

[lone minnow]

uh oh, Toxi entered the facility

[gusty mirage]

The floodwaters have washed over me

I’m reformed again

[west geode]

i thought Taz was out day one blah

[gusty mirage]

They want to make sure we don’t have too much to do

[limber lion]

Unfort not :'(

[gusty mirage]

So 3 renown levels and some more campaign quests is all we’re getting

[limber lion]

Bless

[lone minnow]

isn't it exciting! 😄

[west geode]

guess no reason to take that day off )

[willow eagle]

Korthia tho

Lit zone

[gusty mirage]

[gusty mirage]

You’re lit

[willow eagle]

Sudden pfp change

[gusty mirage]

I’m reformed

[willow eagle]

Until 9.1 hits that is

[gusty mirage]

The sims saved my basement from flooding, I’m a changed man

[limber lion]

Public face reveal

[gusty mirage]

[visual dagger]

am i missing something or is necrolord extremely boring on ST?

[whole bluff]

You press sbs the most so probably not necro's fault

[grim jay]

well its just another spell to press like with most covenants

😄

[visual dagger]

on ST its basically just a mutilate replacement every x seconds right?

[whole bluff]

Exactly, the other ones are press and forget until cd. Except maybe Kyrian but it's too gimmicky

[grim jay]

you use it to prevent capping, so if you are close to 3 charges, and if gemstone procs you dumb your charges

else you wanna hold if adds spawn

[limber lion]

I mean, you still press it more than Flag/Sepsis/ER

You just use Flag on cooldown before a finisher

wee exciting

You press Sepsis on cooldown, followed by Shiv

wee exciting

We're not exactly blessed with the most engaging covenant abilities.

[sturdy merlin]

Flag hits like a truck tho it feels good when you hit it

[limber lion]

But SBS is definitely up there in terms of engagement.

[whole bluff]

It shines especially in aoe

[gusty mirage]

Can confirm that echoing reprimand feels like shit to press

Especially when you get the wonderful 2nd anima charged CP so you’re sitting there angry at rng

[plucky isle]

what slot will zoldyck be crafted in 9.1?

[whole bluff]

I was kyr sub at the start, the random proc was fuck8ng me up all the time

[limber lion]

Still legs.

[gusty mirage]

“Nice I just shadowstrike to 4cp and finish and get my 7cp finisher”
Shadowtech has entered the building

[mossy crown]

anyone got any decent macros they are using? feel like I have a 1000 keybindfs

[whole bluff]

For assa?

[limber lion]

I don't use any macros.

We don't really have that many buttons to be honest.

At least buttons that would see a lot of play.

[gusty mirage]

Only thing I have macro’d is tricks to focus and mouseover, not much I can help you with there

[mossy crown]

might do a mouseover one for SBS

[gusty mirage]

Yeah mouseover for SBS is nice and especially useful for outlaw

[whole bluff]

Doesn't relieve you from a lot of buttons

[mossy crown]

true that

[gusty mirage]

Mouseover MfD is nice for outlaw as well

Helps snipe resets

[violet hemlock]

I have a mouseover garrote and rupture but thats mainly due to play outlaw prior

[mossy crown]

can you have a macro which do mouseover, if not current target?

[plain thistle]

yes /cast [@mouseover][] spell

[gusty mirage]

It defaults to current target if you’re not mousing anything over

[mossy crown]

awesome, cheers all

[plain thistle]

oh yeah, thats more for cursor

for healers

[violet hemlock]

I use the harm keyword in there

just personal pref I guess

[visual dagger]

does the bleed from bonespike proc venomous wounds?

[gusty mirage]

Nope

Just garrote and rupture

[analog glade]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[violet hemlock]

the tooltip even says only rupture or garrote

[gusty mirage]

The SBS bleed does factor in to doomblade though

[sturdy merlin]

And zold right ?

[limber lion]

yes

[sturdy merlin]

Wasn’t sure thanks

[red bloom]

No one factoring the squishy wet splash sound the boners make in their necro choice or is that just me?

[viscid spear]

Thinking of grinding out Venthyr this week, currently NF but feel like vamps would be better.

[jagged yoke]

i just swapped to necro and wondering if i made a mistake and should do venthyr

[grim jay]

I barely hear the gamesounds. just set up stuff in a way that I hear dbm and nothing else as I mostly listen to music 😄

[alpine latch]

Necro is ~50 DPS lower in pure ST and ~400 DPS higher in m+

[viscid spear]

@jagged yoke saw that Necro was good too, but I prefer Venthyr

[mossy crown]

currently farming renown for necro

[viscid spear]

I also dabble in Sub and dislike Out, so that helps the decision.

[jagged yoke]

yeh is necro alot better for aoe?

[alpine latch]

yes

It's a good bit better for m+ if you're running Sin

Venth or Necro are your ideal things on what you want to be. Venth I think is better for Sin/Sub, Necro is better for Sin/Outlaw.

I know there's better info in the pins

[vagrant bison]

have they nerfed the necro legendary for outlaw? i remember that ryfie said that he would prob reroll outlaw if that legendary stayed like that

[limber lion]

Yes they did.

[viscid spear]

Yeah I was looking at the pins

[limber lion]

It's quite bad now.

[alpine latch]

They did. It only hits 1 atdditional target

[drifting cloud]

it has been deleted from the game

[vagrant bison]

good, at least people won't ask me to reroll

[drifting cloud]

effectively

[alpine latch]

They nerfed the Necro leggo, Sylv daggers, hardmode necklace

Took all of our fun away

[viscid spear]

Nerfed Syl daggers how?

[harsh anchor]

Nerfed as in brought them back down to reality

[red bloom]

They’re still gonna be bis though aren’t they? Extra Damage is a bonus

[alpine latch]

Yeah, pretty sure they are still BiS according to Whispyr's latest sims

[limber lion]

Probably yes

[red bloom]

I’ll take what I’m given

[drifting cloud]

it would be really hard for them to not be bis

theyd have to be actual poopwater

[viscid spear]

I'm the only Rogue in the raid team and I deserve recompense for my horrible luck with the Carapace dagger last exapc

[drifting cloud]

we just have no clue if they will do 3% of our dmg or 15%

[red bloom]

Vers master and low weapon damage and their proc heals the target kek

[alpine latch]

I feel sorry for people wanting to use Jaithys.

[viscid spear]

Plus they're maces.

[red bloom]

Sold

Do they look cool though?

[viscid spear]

They're a reskin of the frying pan model

[vagrant delta]

i messed up, i should have waited until the patch dropped, crafted doomblade on the back and put the ventyr transmog on it, then swapped to necro 😦

[alpine latch]

Doomblade can't go on back yet

[red bloom]

I see nothing wrong with this at all, 9.1 is an overwhelming success in my book now

[whole bluff]

How did you craft doomblade on cloak xd

[vagrant delta]

after the patch

[red bloom]

He’s saying he should have waited to swap

[limber lion]

^

[whole bluff]

Oh he sounded like he just did it

[viscid spear]

Oxford commas and whatnot

[vagrant bison]

i still have my il 210 zoldyk

do i need to recraft it?

[limber lion]

No

[vagrant bison]

cause i have no idea on how the new sockets work

[limber lion]

if it's legs

[vagrant bison]

yeah its on legs

[viscid spear]

Mostly focused on Doomblade recrafted to cloak, that's the important one.

[vagrant bison]

i think i crafted my r2 doomblade on shoulders?

should i recraft it or just yolo

[limber lion]

recraft on cloak in 9.1

[vagrant bison]

thanks boss

[vale marten]

so wait, with new obedience sims, its gonna be better than doom?

[limber lion]

Who knows

We'll have to wait and see.

[frail fossil]

what's the obedience optimization whyspir wants to make ?

[gusty mirage]

the sims missing out on casts because of the cdr

[limber lion]

Flag is not giving 24s verse

[viscid spear]

I think it means it looks better in sims than in the actual situation?

[gusty mirage]

I think

[limber lion]

Flag is only giving 12s of verse, should be giving 24s.

[vale marten]

im gonna do the quest to swap back to venth, just to be safe

[gusty mirage]

or that may have been for sub

[frail fossil]

that was fixed iirc

[limber lion]

You'd think that

But apparently it was never implemented

And Whispyr was saying that

for weeks

even though it was never fixed.

[frail fossil]

[limber lion]

And apparently yesterday they noticed

that it's still 12s

[frail fossil]

in the sims right ? it's fixed on live

i mean ptr

[limber lion]

Ye

It's fixed in the sims now I think

[gusty mirage]

good thing it hasn't been reported since the legendary dropped am I right?

[limber lion]

But that means we'll have to update the sims again

And means that Sub will see a pretty giga gain in obedience dps

Wouldn't be surprised if it pulls ahead Kyrian now tbh

but who knows, we'll just have to wait and see.

[frail fossil]

DK rly happy rn

[viscid spear]

So Obedience is the best leggo for Sub?
Or at least tracking to be?

[limber lion]

Yeh, likely.

But we'll have to wait and see

[south belfry]

Poggers

[viscid spear]

Man, I have an image of Arthas making the pogger face, but I'm on my phone. ;_;

[gusty mirage]

is it this one?

[deep solstice]

Is the raid dagger effect disabled on ptr atm? I did 2 runs of torghast and got 0 procs. The debuff was stacking, but it never did any damage.

[limber lion]

Bets me. Could just be that they are actively working on it.

[deep solstice]

very possible

[viscid spear]

@gusty mirage i think mine has his lips more pronounced, I have to remember it when I get home

[deep solstice]

maybe they are balancing the dagger by giving it a 0.00001% proc rate

[strange python]

so obedience over doomblade now or wot?

[limber lion]

Wait

for

the

sims

[strange python]

[limber lion]

Any and all updated information will be pinned

[strange python]

does it still give vers like at the same time u get the haste from flag

ie after u cant get more stacks

[limber lion]

The sims were done with 12s vers

but it should be 24s

that's why it's simming less than it should.

[scenic meteor]

If obedience is better than doomblade are people going venth for prog?

[harsh anchor]

[scenic meteor]

[limber lion]

Venthyr is already the preferred covenant if you wanna play both sub and sin.

Even if Ob was bad, it wouldn't matter. :p

[polar ice]

& looking at the new sub sims for aoe, venth might now be the way to go.

[stray canopy]

im over here just still having fun pushing sbs

[void pecan]

Same.

I like boning

[polar ice]

sbs is a super fun play style

[stray canopy]

as assa main since wod it just feels so smooth

[rocky pecan]

What is the slot for obedience head and?

[limber lion]

cloak

[polar ice]

ob would be cloak

[rocky pecan]

OK it's cool then

[scenic meteor]

Oh so I can slap either doomblade or obedience in my cloak nice

Also 235 cloak on my server is 4K now, don’t know what happened

But lost 18k

[dim shoal]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[north basin]

when iam hearing - u are fine and beautiful and ur choice is valid! here iam starting to worry! sounds like a trap!

[grim jay]

only the guys in the sub channel need to worry, because he didnt tell them they are beautiful

[slender berry]

you have to play venthyr survival hunter or youre bad

better?

[north basin]

YES!

btw my renown stays in venthyr ye? how long does it take to go back from necro?

no need to grind from scratch

i hope

[polar ice]

1 reset. start monday, finish tues

[north basin]

ok fine.

i will wait then till mythic raids and see what top dogs pick for prog

if guilds even let rogues on prog lol

[polar ice]

Looks like lots of ST, in chains. the meta may shift between sub & sin but both should find a spot

[north basin]

i will swap any lego or spec or cov if it brings even 1% more deeps xD

[polar ice]

same, just getting eager to make a move. hard waiting for these last few hotfixes & tuning changes to see which way to play the start

[grim jay]

im kinda set anyways, just wondering if mikanikos will go live like this 😄

[thorny pond]

Probably will get tuned post live

[limpid scarab]

but why would u not let a rogue to progress?

[whole mason]

So the obedience leggo vers buff extends another 12sec?

[vestal wren]

rogue was not very popular in CN for melee raid spots given they didn't provide extra benefits

and 9.1 does not change this, rogue is heavily tuning dependent

its just that rogue is atm seemingly very well tuned (in 9.1)

[thorny pond]

The worse a group's tanks are, the more value we bring

[vestal wren]

retribution also is very popular rn so i assume its tuned very high

[trail mica]

Kyrian retribution legendary looks sick for aoe

[vestal wren]

i don't have exact numbers and i don't think a comparison cross class is reasonable before we at least go into normal/heroic week

[feral shale]

delete rogue from the game?

[main blaze]

Is the 2 rogues with sylvanas dagger issue still a thing?

[lone quail]

do you already know which domination socket bonus you are using? so blood, unholy or frost ?

[limber lion]

Yes, they're aware of it though and probably getting fixed soon.

[limber lion]

Unholy gem set, 1 of each dps gem on top

[main blaze]

Ah good to hear, thanks! That sounded janky as fuck LUL

[vestal wren]

hard to tell

[rustic whale]

ceverion you are gonna stay Necro or go to vent?

[limber lion]

Most likely stay necro

[vestal wren]

but you won't have the daggers very fast

[main blaze]

yeah yeah so time to fix it

[vestal wren]

so i wouldn't worry to much about them rn