assassination

[gusty mirage]

ugly irl? ugly in game too

[odd hazel]

TheFeels

[hollow river]

I’m undead so ugly is hot

[spice spire]

You shut your mouth oxi you beautiful sob

[heavy coral]

Nathria CE will be removed with patch or raid release

[gusty mirage]

smh

[odd hazel]

patch

[spice spire]

Patch

[odd hazel]

dont listen to quake

hes a bastard blood elf

[spice spire]

??????

[gusty mirage]

god that's such a good meme

[spice spire]

I know it is, and you caused it

[hollow river]

Time to buy Donny boost

[gusty mirage]

I let my GM know that it became a meme over here

and he found it hilarious

"That shitter isn't raiding with us anymore anyway"

[odd hazel]

cause hes a blood elf

[gusty mirage]

he was a belf mage

HOW DID YOU KNOw

imagine not being a troll mage

in 2021

[odd hazel]

imagine being a mage

:^)

[gusty mirage]

TRUE

[hollow river]

Imagine imagining

[odd hazel]

imagine imagining imagining

[hollow river]

Pfft

[young nacelle]

am i the only nightborne weirdo here?

[odd hazel]

fucking

gross

[neon cloak]

[odd hazel]

MECHAGNOME OR GETTT OUTTT

[young nacelle]

[neon cloak]

What are thooooooose

[young nacelle]

night elf for alliance tbh

or get out

[odd hazel]

useless race

[limber lion]

[young nacelle]

nightborne lets me be night elf but on the horde. bc horde is better

[odd hazel]

mechagnome beest racials

[young nacelle]

[hollow river]

Horde best gamers

[young nacelle]

[odd hazel]

only if you beat oxi

[gusty mirage]

that shouldn't be too hard

I suck

[young nacelle]

same

[worthy moth]

guys, first of all: WHAT THE FUCK, why?

second: why do i have to craft a cloak to 9.1?

[violet hemlock]

Is there a big difference between phantom fire and agi pots?

[frigid kestrel]

Because of Domination Sockets

[scenic osprey]

save slot for domination sockets

[hollow river]

Because blizzard

[worthy moth]

NOOOO

[scenic osprey]

is insane

[worthy moth]

fuck domination sockets

[young nacelle]

lmao

[scenic osprey]

you dont have to but u dont get sod and set bonus

[hollow river]

They literally said that they didn’t want anyone to have to re-craft change legendary’s for any reason

[frigid kestrel]

Also you can get an unlimited amount of Soul Ash

[odd hazel]

Only if you’re cheesing

[frigid kestrel]

so there is that too

[worthy moth]

i dont think ill use it on m+

[hollow river]

U can’t cheese anymore?

[scenic osprey]

you will be only like 3-5% behind so its fine

[odd hazel]

In 9.0.5 you can

In a week you can’t

[hollow river]

Nope

Hotfixed

[odd hazel]

Oh? Is that very recent ?

[worthy moth]

someone have to fire ion

[hollow river]

Last week or week before?

Right after reset

[odd hazel]

Ah

Then

!oil

[prisma monolith]

Using consumables will increase your damage, however the difference between oil/stone/potion combinations are very minor (within 0.5% of each other). You can sim the difference for yourself by pasting this pastebin underneath your /simc input, in the "advanced sim" section of raidbots: https://pastebin.com/Lbxc7afJ

[scenic osprey]

do you still get high vault loot if you do 14+ this week for 9,1?

[worthy moth]

!sharp

[hollow river]

Yes for two more resets

U get same vault loot

[scenic osprey]

so on 29th you get 226 for +14 and same for 6th

[hollow river]

That’s what I heard earlier

Because new m+ season doesn’t start until normal raid is released I guess

[gusty mirage]

because blizzard hates you

[tall pawn]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[worthy moth]

so ill have to uh

delete my leggos rn

?

[cobalt pelican]

?

what benefit would you get from deleting them

[scenic osprey]

dont swap until u get the sod piece

[cobalt pelican]

realistically next week there's nothing to do besides ram your face into torghast till you wanna harm yourself anyway

unless i've misunderstood when repeatable torghast happens

uhh, next murican week

[scenic osprey]

so new crafting favors ppls with lots of alts ?

[cobalt pelican]

not really?

you can farm as much as you want on your main

[soft shale]

not really you will lack cinders not ash

[scenic osprey]

the material is capped per toon per week

[hollow river]

On DR though

[worthy moth]

im deleting because ill have to craft cloaks

im pissed

[cerulean nest]

seems like next week is all Korthia and torghast

is there literally annything else to do?

[cobalt pelican]

don't think so

[scenic osprey]

wm on go world pvp in korthia

time of peace is passed

[cobalt pelican]

and even torghast is only old layer8 farming for soul ash to finish off your r4s on the right slots

[worthy moth]

korthia suckw

[cerulean nest]

cant do tazavesh or m+ right?

[worthy moth]

please bring back legion

[scenic osprey]

its regein of bleed and poison'

[worthy moth]

assassination dream

[hollow river]

It will still be 9.0 m+ season

[worthy moth]

[cerulean nest]

maybe i'll snag 1600 real quick then

[scenic osprey]

taz isnt open until raid is open

[cerulean nest]

a few keys away

[hollow river]

Is current io gonna mean anything in 9.1

Won’t they have to pull up the website to see it lol

[cerulean nest]

just for my own satisfaction I mean lol

[hollow river]

Yeah I get you

[cerulean nest]

idk, will it not work on the tooltip for past seasons any more?

[hollow river]

I’m jw

Idk this has been my first season ever

So I’m asking

[whole bluff]

Io is still gonna work even with new blizz rating

[hollow river]

I meant 9.0 io

Will it help LFG at all

[whole bluff]

Yeah, it's gonna show your past season Io until you reach the same/higher Io

[hollow river]

Kk

That’s kinda nice

[cerulean nest]

sweet

[cobalt pelican]

io is usually seperated into post-season

for the weird patch-out-no-content weeks

not sure if it will be this time

[hollow river]

Weird

I got my KSM finally so

Hoping that’ll help pugging next tier even a little bit

Probably gonna have to roll back outlaw for m+ seeing as how much it’ll be ahead

Either that or sub

[cobalt pelican]

prolly will help a little bit but the best bet in every season if you're not big big io is just to

grind your ass off first week

not just farming 7s

[hollow river]

Yeah I’m going to

[soft shale]

i mean being 10% behind in slice has not stopped sub from trying dont let the 6% of assa get you

[hollow river]

Gonna try to get a week off work and hit it hard

[soft shale]

in the end for m+ player skill is quite diff

[hollow river]

Everyone wants outlaw

[strange python]

did they just add this to ptr or am i late

[soft shale]

REAL

[hollow river]

Late

[soft shale]

man secrets you just made my day

[strange python]

[balmy condor]

wait

it's testable

[soft shale]

lets spread the word

[balmy condor]

holy shit

[soft shale]

yea yea

[balmy condor]

that's crazy

[strange python]

Pog

[hollow river]

Oh fuck

[balmy condor]

@faint harness @strange python

[strange python]

so im not late

[soft shale]

time to spam sub and outlaw too

[balmy condor]

@shy dust

[hollow river]

I didn’t know it was in a vender

[strange python]

Hello

[hollow river]

Fuck hellyeah

[strange python]

Oh

Its testable

[shy dust]

oh shit

[hollow river]

Time to get on PTR

[strange python]

Oh shit

[hollow river]

Gogogogogo

[faint harness]

ZOOMING

[strange python]

to ptr i go

[cerulean nest]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-hyperspeed-millenium-falcon-gif-16139679

[soft shale]

fuck bad moment to be playing osu!

[frigid kestrel]

Ooooooooooooo SHEEEEEETTTTT

Im headed to the PTR

[thick wagon]

is doomblade still looking better than dashing for 9.1 raiding?

[soft shale]

no idea

they are really close atm

[blissful lava]

what am i doing wrong? im 215 rogue. i was outlaw, but i JUST swapped to assassination

[frigid kestrel]

CT damage low af

[echo geyser]

quite hard to determine by breakdown i think, better to link a log

[frigid kestrel]

O Wait thats ST on a dummy

give me a log or something

[echo geyser]

also dont upgrade ur shoulder lego thats a dead slot for 9.1

cause of dom socket

[odd hazel]

You have a lot of mastery @blissful lava

[blissful lava]

gotcha

[harsh anchor]

Call that mustard

[echo geyser]

any ptr bois testing the daggers?

[blissful lava]

so its just my mastery?

[echo geyser]

show results

[blissful lava]

i feel like my ST should be better on Assassination than outlaw

but my ST on outlaw is better

[odd hazel]

I mean

Are you venth or necro ? With our logs from a fight it’s hard to tell

[sharp panther]

what legendary do you have on for assassination?

[odd hazel]

But you do have a lot of mastery

[sharp panther]

are you just wearing celerity shoulders lol

[odd hazel]

Wait

Are you ?

[violet hemlock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[blissful lava]

venth @odd hazel

and the mutilate leggo

for ST

[odd hazel]

Venth favors crit a LOT, so you might not do that great. You have a lot of mastery, and don’t seem enchanted stat wise for sin.

[sharp panther]

the legendary is gloves and boots, no?

you have shoulders on

[odd hazel]

Shoulder gloves

9.1 brings back

[short token]

yeah i'm actually in the same boat as Dijohn, been outlaw since last expac, swapped to necro and just feel underwhelmed atm. I'm 224 ilvl, have beaten denath but on the reclear i'm getting destroyed by almost every other class on majority of fights. I feel like my bonespike usage is wrong or something. I'm wearing doomblade on gloves

[odd hazel]

Link logs for better help tbh

[short token]

k one sec

[sharp panther]

ah right zold is boots not doomblade

[strange python]

Zold is leg

[blissful lava]

how do i get logs for a training dummy?

[hollow river]

Sim yoself

[halcyon zealot]

you have to log yourself and upload it

[odd hazel]

Still, I would just log a fight and link it

[sharp panther]

yes but it’s also boots, was thinking of the slot that isn’t usually made

[hollow river]

So do we have sims for sylvanas dagger yet? 🗡 🗡 🗡

[spice spire]

Bonespike use is easy. First GCD USED > Gemstone windows > avoid cap

[short token]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bALKRDHVm3CY6g8z#fight=17&type=damage-done&source=18

i'm below 40% on all fights...it's really killing my confidence

[halcyon zealot]

usually, from what i’ve seen in the past, when people link themselves doing significantly lower dps than they think they should, or sim to, it’s more often than not a combo of not using shiv enough, not syncing vend and vanish when talented to MA, bleed uptime, wasting CPs, etc not necessarily stats or leggo slot choices

[short token]

i don't wanna go back outlaw

[hollow river]

Yep

[spice spire]

Hey, as Necrolord try to run EP/vigor

[echo geyser]

for one dont u play ct on inerva?

[spice spire]

It’s 10 sim off.

[echo geyser]

2nd what quake said

[spice spire]

You can, but it’s dependent on the group you run with

[hollow river]

Not that I’m aware of

[echo geyser]

usually EP and vigor is a combo then blindside deeper

but thats a sim/feel question anyways

[hollow river]

I always ran PB on inerva

[short token]

pins say to run blindside/MA on single target no?

[echo geyser]

MA and blindside are not related

[spice spire]

Yeah and for Necro EP/Vigor is better than it is for venthyr

[hollow river]

And deeper strat

[whole girder]

hi guys, for denathrius on progress would you recommend doomblade or zoldyck ?

[hollow river]

Either is fine.

[echo geyser]

its the 1st and 3rd that are somewhat "linked"

[short token]

the adds are not a factor my guild melts them before i do any real swap dmg

[echo geyser]

talents right

[hollow river]

Zoldycks is good p3 damage.

[echo geyser]

i see

yeah i just thought ct was better with adds

[hollow river]

If that’s where you lack damage on sire, and you’re consistently getting to p3 then run Zoldycks

[spice spire]

One thing that’s still good is to sbs the ads as they come up.

The initial damage is pretty big especially with crit

[short token]

yeah i'm sbs'ing any adds that pop up

[spice spire]

For the ST fights try to go Ep/MA/Vigor

And see if that helps

[hot chasm]

Gotta remake doomblade for 9.1 since leather gloves have domi slot

[short token]

so nothing other than those 2 talent choices look off?

[spice spire]

Garrote shouldn’t be your first cast during ma window

Did you start with a prepull sbs?

[pale fossil]

The general recommendation is Zoldyk because most guilds have the most trouble with P3 mechanics.

So you might need the extra damage to compensate for dead raiders.

[short token]

well since that log i open with mut - nothing i watched opened with SBS is that the opener? no stealth?

[spice spire]

It should be (start in stealth) > SBS > SND > Mut > rupture if max-1, if not garrote and that should work to get your rupture.

That log opens with garrote

[short token]

yeah it's 3 weeks old 😛

[pale fossil]

Subterfuge in Raid when

[short token]

6/9 i think

2 weeks

[spice spire]

[limber lion]

Dagger looks absolutely insane

Nerfs inc

[spice spire]

Yeah it does

[short token]

and honestly some video i watched was opening with garrote, is there a good guide somewhere on youtube where i can see this visually?

[spice spire]

No way it’s not right?

[hot chasm]

Damn, Doomblade leggo has domination slots in both gear choices

[limber lion]

JustRuss has a decent video

[spice spire]

Unfortunately as videos outdated quickly not many people make them and the few that do are

[limber lion]

Cloak in 9.1

[torn atlas]

You can craft on back with 9.1

[hot chasm]

ahh, nice

[spice spire]

Forgot about Russ

[hot chasm]

Still hope they add something so we don't have to recreate it

[short token]

so where is a good source of information that keeps up with rotation?

here i guess

[pale fossil]

[spice spire]

You’re here

[cobalt pelican]

both guides, simc, generally top logs will have mostly correct play

[pale fossil]

Quick Sims will optimize your opener for you.

Assuming the fight matches the parameters obviously.

[short token]

how do i get simc to show me the proper rotation?

[cerulean nest]

how're the sim boys doing with that dagger?

[spice spire]

Rn they’re testing

[cerulean nest]

the lord's work

[limber lion]

I wish I was home to test

[safe rover]

best video to explain domination slots/leggos etc?

[limber lion]

Ehh Dratnos has one where he talks about dom sockets

[safe rover]

7 weeks off with tbc hype and it feels like im coming back to a new game haha. cool will check it out, im guessing that all the legendaries ive crafted will not be in the ideal slots anyway so

[frigid kestrel]

You can transfer Soul Ash to alts, right?

in 9.1

[hollow river]

yes for a fee

[hollow river]

[frigid kestrel]

Can you transfer across server, or factions is the real question that im guessing is a no

[hollow river]

no idea

[frigid kestrel]

Need to start showing my Horde rogue love

[hollow river]

i would assume account bound item

[halcyon zealot]

they should be BoA

if not that is giga troll

[hollow river]

fr

[blissful lava]

Okay so im only reapplying my bleeds when they are about to fall off, and i am spamming shiv off cd if i have enough energy and CP to use an Envenom

but my dps is still low

and dumping CP into Envenom if my bleeds are good

[cobalt pelican]

link a log

[blissful lava]

can i log a training dummy fight? if so, how?

i just swapped to assassination today

[cobalt pelican]

if you already have the wcl uploader

just walk to a dummy

and hit it

and then upload it

[hollow river]

Just slam shiv regardless

[cobalt pelican]

but a real fight log would be more beneficial

[hollow river]

As long as ruptures on your target. Slam shiv

Even if rupture is in pandemic

[blissful lava]

let me get the WCL uploader newest version. mine is outdated. then i will test it

[shy dust]

the return of the assassination cf 2.0?

[cobalt pelican]

i am very powerful

[mental trout]

will we get reroll tokens in 9.1?

[cobalt pelican]

?

[mental trout]

swear i seen some thing some where saying we will

[hollow river]

More powah fool

[cobalt pelican]

oh you mean bonus rolls

[hollow river]

For legendaries ?

[cobalt pelican]

i think there was some rumours about them early but nothing showed on ptr for them

[mental trout]

yea bonus rolls *\

[hollow river]

Ah

[mental trout]

damn, that would be nice

[balmy condor]

Initial sylvanas dagger testing:
Still way too strong

1. Equipping 2 daggers seems to not only double the proc rate, but also the damage
2. Aoe finishers (Powder) have the same proc rate, but only do damage to one target, seemingly randomly selected
3. Slice does not proc it currently. This seems intended as slice self-buffs and doesn't have any damage associated with it
4. Only one rogue is allowed to tag any given enemy. If you have two rogues, the first one to apply the debuff tags it, giving all procs to that person. The other rogue will not apply the debuff, nor get any damage

[hollow river]

Whispyr shhhhh

Don’t tell anyone

[lean fossil]

@balmy condor we are going to need you to remove that pin and delete that message so no one else can see it. lets hope theres no nerfs 😛

[hollow river]

Blizzard will see x.x

[halcyon zealot]

it’s already nerfed, the second the pin went live

whispyr is too powerful

[cosmic moss]

how is the damage compare to divers foly or raden wepons ? cause they were doing shit ton too

[mental trout]

Already know after we clear H Raid week one or Two, this is dropping for me first kill. cant wait, seen it in the code

[dawn ivy]

its only been out a few hours but people are having variance of 15-40% of their damage brekadown

[hollow river]

Wow

Def nerfed

[cosmic moss]

how do you get it on ptr ? is it on vendor

[hollow river]

Yes

[final star]

trinket vendor

last page

[violet hemlock]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[halcyon zealot]

wait a second, #4 on that pin surely has to be a bug..?

[dawn ivy]

theres so many facotrs of the currewnt dagger that we assume is a bug

[balmy condor]

correct

[frigid kestrel]

God i love seing this

[loud light]

wait there's an overpowered effect that only comes with the first rogue to join the raid

there's our raid utility

[frigid kestrel]

1 singular spot open for Rogue

[short wind]

Which covenant seems to be the play for rogue 9.1? both for PvP/PvE

[strange python]

[gusty mirage]

probably necro, unless you wanna play sub and assassination

then venthyr

[hollow river]

what if its to prevent stacking rogues

and the dagger is meant to be omega op

[pure moth]

Understandable.. but shitty.. always join guilds that have 2 others. Guess thats a no go

[iron orchid]

The universe doesn't want @balmy condor to provide us with sims

[oak sky]

only 1 rogue 😦

[blissful lava]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/h7ZXY4xA3HG91q26/#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done&target=13&source=10

is that what was needed from logs?

[spring root]

cant see log

[blissful lava]

hit the dummy until i had 5mil damage or so done to it

[gusty mirage]

that's a private log

[blissful lava]

oh i didnt think i set it to private, let me fix it sorry

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rHD6xqCG4BFW3mtX/#boss=-3&difficulty=0&type=damage-done&source=10

how about that one?

i know i uploaded that one as public

[gusty mirage]

that one works

[gloomy knoll]

man

these daggers are too weak

[blissful lava]

okay. can someone explain why i only had 4k dps? i feel like i should have more dps as a 214 rogue, i know i have a lot of mastery, i was just outlaw and i havent optimized my build for anything since ive only played rogue the last 2 months

[gloomy knoll]

need a buff amirite?

[blissful lava]

i just dont know why my assassination ST damage is lower than my outlaw ST damage

[gloomy knoll]

nobody can tell you why you did x amount of damage by looking at your gear

[humble ginkgo]

There is no way

[gloomy knoll]

there's a million different factors that come into play

[humble ginkgo]

this dagger thing is legit

doing more than envenom?

[gloomy knoll]

if you want a log review then you can post that

[blissful lava]

theres logs above @gloomy knoll

[humble ginkgo]

you guys are trolling me right

[blissful lava]

lol scroll up]

like 2 messages

[gloomy knoll]

oh gotcha

my bad dog

[spice spire]

You’re missing a lot of vanish casts. Also what are your talents? Bs/deeper?

[blissful lava]

just posted gear to go along with log

[gloomy knoll]

also

buff the daggers knawmean

this shit weak as hell

[sonic schooner]

new pin to read

[blissful lava]

@spice spire i was using vanish a lot, but it kept resetting the fight, so i stopped. i would vanish after vend and before Envenom

[spice spire]

Ahhh I see

Also

GIGA wasting combo points

Finisher is max - 1

[sonic schooner]

13 wasted in garrot

[gloomy knoll]

yea you should never waste

[gusty mirage]

absolutely

[gloomy knoll]

even remotely close to that

[gusty mirage]

I think its unfair that it only does 20% of my total damage

[gloomy knoll]

yea needs to do 40%

[blissful lava]

so i would Flag, vend, vanish then envenom

[gloomy knoll]

so we can compete with other specs

[blissful lava]

so its okay to use 4 CP envenoms?

[gusty mirage]

@blissful lava yep

[pure moth]

Sim for target dummy. Vanish resets the dummy. That way you can see it more accurately

[sonic schooner]

without deeper stratagem yes it is

[halcyon zealot]

without DS, you env at 4, with DS you env at 5

[spice spire]

Also flag rupture to get that extra haste after flag ends

[halcyon zealot]

only max combo point finisher if you happen to land on it, you don’t force when 1 cp away

[blissful lava]

how do i change it @pure moth i am on a target dummy there, and it was just resetting it

[halcyon zealot]

cuz mut is guaruntee 2cp

[spice spire]

You want to maximize your combo points spent during that window

[blissful lava]

so i shouldnt flag directly into vendetta?

[spice spire]

That’s the big thing at this point though - just finish at 4 without deeper, or 5 with.

Flag > finisher if possible

Saves you 3 global to get 4-6 haste

At the end for the buff

[blissful lava]

gotcha, so i should flag, rupture, vend? or dont hold flag ever?

was holding flag for vendetta

should i not?

[halcyon zealot]

only hold if you won’t miss a cast, but in your case atm, you should just use on CD

your probably losing DPS by trying to line them up

[blissful lava]

Sorry just swapped to assassination today. 😛

okay

[regal carbon]

if im not raiding am i still going to need domination gear?

[halcyon zealot]

but like quake said, it’s important to use flag when you’re at max-1 CP into a finisher to get most value

[blissful lava]

gotcha. thats why i was using flag, vend, vanish then Envenom. i was always at 4 or 5 when i was using that envenom. but dont hold flag, and use envenom at 4 cp as to not waste a cp with mutilate. anything other than those 2 things to work on?

[spice spire]

Uh. That’s it I think - work on those then see some results if it’s still lacking let’s continue on this deep dive

[blissful lava]

alright. sounds good. thank you

[spice spire]

Any time papi, best of luck

[wooden dawn]

where can u find this in logs?

[spice spire]

Resources go to the drop down on hit points and select combo points. You can also check energy usage

[gusty mirage]

Resources -> Combo Points

DAMN @spice spire on POINT

2fast4me

[spice spire]

John’s was fine, so I didn’t highlight it.

8 wasted over a long target dummy session and venthyr is good

[spice spire]

[blissful lava]

just simmed, and i guess with the buffs i had (only oils) im only 300 dps off of my sim, so those 2 things should really help. I was comparing it to the 5600 dps sim of a fully buffed fight before. xD

[spice spire]

That seems low, I’m not crazy right?

[blissful lava]

tho my melee is quite a bit higher than it is in the sim there. 😛

that is with only oils

[spice spire]

Ahhhh

You said that

Sorry hour 13 of today ><

[blissful lava]

all good

this is full sim

[spice spire]

At work still. So you’re hitting about 5k with buffs? Oh yeah that’s the goods

There we go. And your numbers are a bit inflated with how long you did. Just the finisher max - 1 and I think you’ll be hitting close to sim

[blissful lava]

i was comparing my 4100 to that when all i had on was oils and my sim with only oils was 4.3 or so, so i guess im not too far off. with the pointers you gave. i should be able to hit it

sounds good! thanks again!

[humble ginkgo]

Yo

do I run sudden fracture? @echo geyser

[echo geyser]

yes

[humble ginkgo]

or the shiv one

oh ok

[echo geyser]

shiv for sludge

rest is SF pretty much

[humble ginkgo]

im playing OL for sludge

[echo geyser]

then sf all yeah

[humble ginkgo]

Parse whore

[spice spire]

[gusty mirage]

pull out the gem from the vault

[humble ginkgo]

just more comfy on outlaw

assa is still in beta

for me

[spice spire]

But in all seriousness hope you’re feeling better on sin skip

[humble ginkgo]

Kind of

Just lots of hours of target dummy

not joking

I think this is the most ive played wow in the past like 2 months

outside of raid

[spice spire]

Muscle memory helps

[humble ginkgo]

and its just target dummy

yea

[spice spire]

You’ll get there chief

[humble ginkgo]

ive been practicing CT

and keeping up 2T

[spice spire]

You got it skip

I believe

[spring root]

@humble ginkgo if you ever have hard time in spec/class just level them from 0 to around 30/40 and you will start playing better cos everytime you level up and got new skill you will understand better when to use it cos you will not have insane amount of skills at the same time to learn you will just level up read your new skill and think about how you can use it

[civic trellis]

did anyone kill kelthuzad in the ptr?

here

[humble ginkgo]

you are BUGGING if you think im levelling from 0 as assa

but I get that

Thats what I did on dk

since I levelled it

so im decent at dk

[spring root]

yea assa can be hard to level true but it is what it is

😄

[civic trellis]

in hc or mythic it doesnt matter

[humble ginkgo]

Do I wait for gemstone

to trinket

or what?

quickl

quick

[civic trellis]

no

unless its like 5 secs

or so

[echo geyser]

yeah i do that on opener

i tend to wait if its like 10sec but it depends if u lose a cast in the fight or not u know

[humble ginkgo]

Shriek wipe

when do I use trinket

in opener?

just after the dots?

like after first env

[lean coral]

I'm not sure if gemstone affects trinkets but that's when I use mine on opener

[humble ginkgo]

I mean

crit chance innit

[echo geyser]

pretty sure it works cause it gives ur char crit

but im just guessing

[humble ginkgo]

ye

my parse so shit man

oh nvm

it says 50 parse

but its 75

any log reviewers

[brisk drum]

finishing the tier with a 71 on slg

cannot improve it with so much hold dps

oh well

[humble ginkgo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BWhbfjyJXvV83d7D#fight=3&type=damage-done

[spring root]

your kill time is cocked

[civic trellis]

you suck

tell your dad to buff sin please

[humble ginkgo]

fuck you

nice log review bro

[civic trellis]

❤️

hahaha

[humble ginkgo]

Ive been only nice to sin players

ever since I started playing it

[civic trellis]

i am outlaw player

i muti muti bleeds muti

in a castsequence macro

[spring root]

@humble ginkgo you get cocked from this trinket too

no crit

feels bad

[humble ginkgo]

but like rotation and stuff

anything bad

in the end idrc abt parse just trying to get better

[civic trellis]

skip iirc you shouldnt use sbs in ma window

[humble ginkgo]

oh

but gemstone is up?

thought dump in gemstone window

[civic trellis]

but not sure how was that logic

[humble ginkgo]

thats what everyone told me

[civic trellis]

.

i remember i had the same fail, thats why

in outlaw we prio sbs in MA window

[humble ginkgo]

Ah okay

[pale fossil]

You definitely dump in Gemstone window

[humble ginkgo]

yea but not in master assassin window

when I vendetta shiv vanish

I guess i was confused then

[pale fossil]

Ahhh

[civic trellis]

Also

[brisk drum]

why is it diff for sin vs outlaw?

[civic trellis]

You hide too fast in the aoe thingy

you can wait until 1 sec and shadowstep a guildie

[humble ginkgo]

I dont know when to run out

@brisk drum you dont care about gemstone in outlaw

lol

dont even track it

👍

[humble ginkgo]

still not comf with shadowstep

[brisk drum]

yeah i dont track it as outlaw

why is it more important to track as sin?

[soft shale]

seal fate

[brisk drum]

i played most of this tier as outlaw, but probably gonna start 9.1 as sin so i got some stuff to learn

ah

[soft shale]

more chance to crit more chance of extra cp

[civic trellis]

you should start rn

is not as easy as it looks

😄

2t cleave is a bit challenguing at first

[brisk drum]

i did sire prog as sin

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/frostmourne/jinr

[civic trellis]

oh pretty

[brisk drum]

actually got a decent parse, but i think thats cos the spec is a lot easier than outlaw

but i still have miles to go in min/maxing it

[civic trellis]

aaaaaaaah

i dont know if to stay sin/outlaw necro

or sub/assa venthyr

[brisk drum]

do u guys have a weakaura to track all your ruptures? or do you just rely on nameplates and gut feeling on timings

[civic trellis]

nameplates buffs

[blissful lava]

Which trink is gemstone? Which dg does it come out of?

[civic trellis]

from the necro dungeon

:p

heirmir drops it

jk its a cov buff

[blissful lava]

Cove buff?

Not home to test if you’re messin with me or not. Just left a bit ago for food

[strange jay]

Haste/Crit on Doomblade lego still the call going forward?

[humble ginkgo]

stay on the good side.

!!

[civic trellis]

Yeah its a necrolord thing

[balmy condor]

gemstone is the middle bottom of heirmir's soulbind

[blissful lava]

Gotcha. Is it the stacking crit buff?

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't call it that

but yes

[modern fiber]

anyone know what the best legendary for 9.1 is going to be?

[blissful lava]

I was necro until 3 days ago when I swapped to venth for sin. 😛

Ty Whispyr

[balmy condor]

still doom/zold

[modern fiber]

which is better doom or zold

[blissful lava]

I was necro for outlaw, but I’m rolling to sin for 9.1, so I swapped to venth. 😛

[balmy condor]

....they're both bis depending on content

[modern fiber]

oh ok thank you 🙂

[civic trellis]

Yeah but

the daggers

[humble ginkgo]

so is it correct to not SBS during first gemstone since its during MA window with vendetta

@balmy condor

[civic trellis]

Will close the gap between outlaw and sub/sin

[gusty mirage]

you'd still dump charges

[echo geyser]

@balmy condor gemstones crit work for trinkets right?

[balmy condor]

I believe so

[harsh anchor]

Just gives you 18% crit so if your trinket can crit, I'd say so

[balmy condor]

well "just gives you crit"

isn't that easy

MA gives "just gives you 50% crit"

[echo geyser]

ma doesnt give sheet crit tho

[balmy condor]

yeah

usually if it's sheet crit

it's good to go

[echo geyser]

there u go @lean coral

[humble ginkgo]

ok so I was lied to

[echo geyser]

also @humble ginkgo usually gemstones proc quite fast with 10sec duration and MA is what 4sec ?

[balmy condor]

what?

I did no lying

[humble ginkgo]

no not you

[balmy condor]

you don't dump sbs during ma

[humble ginkgo]

oh

I was told to dump

2 seconds ago

[balmy condor]

yes

during gemstone

[humble ginkgo]

and then someone said to not dumb during gemstone

[echo geyser]

i never rly encountered MA clashing with gemstones tbh

[humble ginkgo]

but what if MA and gemstone

are up

[echo geyser]

u sure u had that?

[humble ginkgo]

like at the start of my shriek

[balmy condor]

then ma is up, and you don't dump

once ma drops, gemstone will be up

[humble ginkgo]

okay

[balmy condor]

then you dump

[gusty mirage]

gems lasts longer than MA

[echo geyser]

yeah its 10sec gem

[gusty mirage]

so you'd dump at the tail end of gemstones

[civic trellis]

i linked you a whispyr message 😛

[echo geyser]

4sec ma

[humble ginkgo]

ok

[echo geyser]

so they dont rly clash

one way or another ud dump before or after window lol

[wise gull]

does CT prioritize targets without the debuff in mass aoe? or is it completely random

[compact pumice]

That would be real nice if it did tho

But nah it's random

[gusty mirage]

best tip would be to initially CT from one side of a pack and then CT to the other to hopefully hit the missing mobs

[next solar]

dagger way too strong lmao

[gusty mirage]

yeah its for sure getting nerfed

lol

[civic trellis]

no way outlaw is close with that daggers

[indigo mulch]

Its fine, don't tell blizzard. Let us have something good 😦

Does anyone know if the daggers share icd?

[next solar]

dont quote me, but they both proccd at the same time

i could absolutely be wrong

[balmy condor]

I haven't seen it proc at the same time, but the proc rate does get doubled

[next solar]

but i notifced 2 procs, probably 1 per dagger) when it prcs

[balmy condor]

so I guess it might

[balmy condor]

that's based on the stacks on the target

[lean coral]

maybe our utility is doing so much dmg we cant be sat

[indigo mulch]

[next solar]

ah, im still doing some testingwith it

[raven locust]

@next solar Is that Details link with dual daggers or just 1?

[vapid pawn]

im testing daggers and fists rn, daggers dmg seems way low (no more than 4k/~3min, as fist weapon slams like a truck on outlaw/sub.

also ticking sack of terror is poppin around 5% overall dps

[sonic schooner]

15.5% dmg

there is our raid utility

gib daggers

[dawn ivy]

outlaw....and SUB?

[vapid pawn]

yeah, fist on offhand

[dawn ivy]

[next junco]

where do you get the weapons btw is there a vendor? sorry new to the ptr!

[dawn ivy]

yes

trinketaur in oribos

[next junco]

o shit nice

thanks

seems kinda insane

[balmy condor]

please don't

[latent stream]

On my necrolord copy the sylv dagger insta proc 4 stacks on dummys and on my venthyr copy it does not proc at all, is anyone else having problems with the dagger proc?

[gusty mirage]

if someone else hit them

you can't proc it

[echo geyser]

from pins

4. Only one rogue is allowed to tag any given enemy. If you have two rogues, the first one to apply the debuff tags it, giving all procs to that person. The other rogue will not apply the debuff, nor get any damage

[indigo mulch]

Bug. :>

[dawn ivy]

ALSO dummies with 1 hp will instantly obtain 4 stacks

[latent stream]

I see

[arctic walrus]

@balmy condor get to work on the double fist fok only m+ shenanigans

[latent stream]

Divers folly vibe

[sonic schooner]

😳 oopsie

[latent stream]

a true conetrick

[sonic schooner]

noone play sin in m+ anyway

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

i only did like all the 16 or 17 as sin

[gusty mirage]

oh

[sonic schooner]

all the 16 i guess 🤔

[gusty mirage]

[sonic schooner]

🤷‍♂️

i never watched at raiderio before, cool website tbh

[gusty mirage]

bro how many people are on your server?

wtf lmao

[sonic schooner]

alliance serveur

[gusty mirage]

hot damn

[sonic schooner]

jk that s al the servers combined with my server

this is the truth

not that far tbh 🤔

Did all my +15 as sub because i was "fk it imma be a sub onetrick forever" and then i wanted to mythic raid and ppl told me "outlaw assa or go ehck yourself" 😔

[woeful juniper]

lmao mythic raiding aa rogue

early on people just laughed at you for not playing dk

fun times

[sonic schooner]

"we dont want pvp class to raid please"

"ok bro your logs are great sad that you are not sp or dk"

all those things i ve heard while looking for guilds

[latent stream]

I switched to dk main, the start of sl was not kind to us

[woeful juniper]

i mean rogues are actually kinda good now. Sire dmg is insane if you know what youre doing

exceot p1 but who cares about p1

[latent stream]

9.0.5 rogues yeah

[sonic schooner]

yea but people still thinking they have to apply WFR strat

so they bring 6 dks

to use only 1 amz

[strange python]

Didn’t world 3rd or 4th have a sub rogue

[vapid pawn]

@balmy condor what did i do 😂 ?

[sonic schooner]

i thing one of them did yea

sub or outlaw i dont remember

could check rq

[balmy condor]

equipped a fist in your offhand on sub

[woeful juniper]

eh next tier there will probably be a rogue around in there somewhere

not sure about echo and limit tho

[latent stream]

Pretty sure limit wont

but kushr might for echo

[sonic schooner]

with max saying "sinrogue dmg is awsome to prog a boss" i bet we gonna shine

🙏

or maybe he is trolling 😔

[woeful juniper]

if kushr can hes gonna play rog 100%

[latent stream]

They are good but shadow is better right

[woeful juniper]

but maybe scripe is just gonna say no xD

[latent stream]

and then they just bring shadow

[sonic schooner]

they nerfing sp st tho

[woeful juniper]

its still better

[dawn ivy]

spriest is still ahead

[sonic schooner]

at which point? idk but they are

[latent stream]

Not enough

[dawn ivy]

it was only a 4-5% nerf ST

[latent stream]

and they're ranged as well

[blissful lava]

thought their ST was nerfed by like 8-9%?

[latent stream]

since melee spots are used a lot for raid buffs

[dawn ivy]

dots got buffed by 25% though

[latent stream]

But rogues will do good dam

[woeful juniper]

granted the way sylvanas looks sin rogue dmg profile might be good. So who really knows

[sonic schooner]

let s bring 6 shroud

big raid buff

[woeful juniper]

skip all the trash

[sonic schooner]

[woeful juniper]

big brain rwf strat

[sonic schooner]

prog faster than light

[blissful lava]

boss will never see the raid with 6 shrouds

'

[sonic schooner]

vanish shroud for style point

[woeful juniper]

if only we got smokebomb back

[sonic schooner]

DH got buffed and got darkness

😔

[hoary isle]

didnt they say rogues would get some raid utility?

[drifting cloud]

no they didnt

[latent stream]

Honestly, dhs 5% should go to rouges, they took away smoke bomb and gave them darkness. give the poisons 5% magic dmg proc

[hoary isle]

ye Ion did in an interview

[sonic schooner]

nah they said "we want rogue to have more utility in a raid"

[woeful juniper]

they said there isnt any reason to bring a rogue and that needs to change. then smoke got thrown into the conversation and ion said something like that yeah

[sonic schooner]

which not means "we ll give rogue utility in raid"

[vapid pawn]

@balmy condor if the weap makes like 5% on overall should we consider this? might get nerfed but 5% is a lot of dmg

[woeful juniper]

he also said covenants are great and theres no probelms with them

sane with conduit energy

so yea dont trust ions word

judt give 5% crit raid buff

[sonic schooner]

just makes rogue buffing others rogues dmg so we bring more rogues and only rogues in fact and we share aggro with evasion

[woeful juniper]

old tricks was like that judt give it to the other rogs in the raid

[balmy condor]

fists are trash man

[latent stream]

I actually just tried fist in off hand just for fun and it did just above 5% overall

[sonic schooner]

Conduit energy is a pain in the ass specially when u just changed covenant and u play arenas rbg raid m+ and all the 3 specs

[balmy condor]

if you want to equip an effect weapon, just equip another dagger

[sonic schooner]

[latent stream]

yeah

[drifting cosmos]

are they gonna reset valor points in 9.1?

[dawn ivy]

yeah

[oak pulsar]

I just asked a dev via twitter and i got confirmation that daggers won't be unique equipped but "there's a bug with dual wielding right now"

[civic trellis]

good stuff thanks

129

@balmy condor do you know approx diff between sin and sub in 2-3t?

as necro or venthyr, w/e

[cedar star]

Are there any must have items in the new mega dungeon for either Sin or Outlaw?

[civic trellis]

neck

[balmy condor]

we don't know yet

[balmy condor]

no

[civic trellis]

😦

[soft shale]

it was around 2k last time we did a check

[civic trellis]

lol that's a lot

[soft shale]

yea sub cleave sucks

or the other way around assa cleave is quite good

[civic trellis]

i watched 6 first bosses in mythic and there is cleave

yeah

Uhm maybe necro assa is the way to go

[soft shale]

dont worry if you really need cleave might as well use a frost dk

it does 2k more than assa

or well maybe not that much if fight lenght is bad forr them to not get extra wyrms

[civic trellis]

i wanna play only rogue

and ele shamy as an alt 😄 just to have a caster

But meh, i wish we could insta swap covs

[winged basin]

finally got this, and won 700k gambling over the course of the night. safe to say the guild is angry with me

[maiden plaza]

about how many flag stacks should we be getting per use? i know we aren't sub that can get 30 every time without effort, but I feel like i struggle to get even 20 a lot of the time

[balmy condor]

should be able to get like 25 pretty comfortably

low 20's probably a good goal

[misty holly]

myuthic huntsman, can cloak soak the arrow?

[drifting cloud]

no

[balmy condor]

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[misty holly]

ty

[civic trellis]

me waiting for sims

[hollow river]

dfsgsdfgadgd

[gloomy knoll]

buff deathspike

[hollow river]

dooooood

[civic trellis]

@balmy condor you arent aware how much all of us love you

[hollow river]

with daggers we keep up with outlaw EZ

[balmy condor]

[hollow river]

i second this motion

❤️

[balmy condor]

sub is next wait till you see that shit

[civic trellis]

❤️

[gloomy knoll]

👀

[hollow river]

the ST is actually insane

prob nerf ):

well maybe not

[balmy condor]

oh btw if anyone asks

the profile is giga fucking scuffed

[hollow river]

imagine getting 2 mythic daggers

[civic trellis]

Only 60 dps between venthyr and necro! huge (in ST)

[balmy condor]

it's like a nathria gear set with increased ilvl

[hollow river]

everyone else will be doing over 10k DPS

[gloomy knoll]

[balmy condor]

cause I literally can't sim sanctum gear

[gloomy knoll]

i knew it

[balmy condor]

so

we'll probably have to redo this

in like 3-4 weeks

[hollow river]

is the only gear implemented the dom gear?

[balmy condor]

none of the shit is implemented

[hollow river]

really

[balmy condor]

dyz and bek gems are implemented apparently

[hollow river]

cant you get dom gear from vendor?

[balmy condor]

but I can't get them to work

and all the other sanctum stuff is just empty boxes

[drifting cloud]

not like youre gonna loot the gems in 3 weeks

[hollow river]

ah

[balmy condor]

the domination set bonuses aren't in either

[hollow river]

on wowhead u mean

[balmy condor]

I mean in sims

fuck a wowhead

[hollow river]

lol

i meant the drag n drop

to sims

hmm

[scarlet spade]

Damn thats a shit ton of work you put in..big thanks my dude.

[balmy condor]

well @hollow river I just checked, the boxes are gone, but it doesn't look like the gear actually has any stats

[drifting cloud]

258 ilvl whats up with that

[hollow river]

:x?

[drifting cloud]

is that even achievable

[balmy condor]

it's close enough to the max achievable

the whole profile is a mess anyway, all the gear in there isn't obtainable at that ilvl

[hollow river]

what ilvl are BiS drops from last 2 bosses

and r6 leggos?

[balmy condor]

259, and 262 respectively

[hollow river]

and all other gear is 252?

[balmy condor]

yes

[hollow river]

or 255

kk

[balmy condor]

252

[hollow river]

so we will probably max around 255

close enough

[balmy condor]

I'll redo it when we get a profile going with trinkets and all that

[gloomy knoll]

i mean as long as it's close to it don't atter

[balmy condor]

I just need something

[gloomy knoll]

still more than enough for preliminary sims

[balmy condor]

yeah

[mental swallow]

always Fan of knives with >3 mobs?

[hollow river]

more than anyone else has atm from what i've seen

[hollow river]

4 or more

[mental swallow]

ty

[hollow river]

you can use 1 FoK on 3 to spread poisons

depending on sitatuation

[mental swallow]

mythic sire prog, switched to sin

i'm missing something for sure, can't quite figure it out

[civic trellis]

If there is not a big difference between venthyr sub / necro sin I think necro sin will be the best choice for raiding in 9.1

[hollow river]

i wouldn't FoK except for P1

[civic trellis]

looking at the above sims

[mental swallow]

yeah p2+ I'm rupture cabals + ram\sire focus

[hollow river]

even in P1, you want to try and have CP ready to unleash CT on adds instantly

but don't overcap energy

waiting on them

would have to time it right

[hollow river]

which cov are you?

[mental swallow]

do you vanish CT FoK on opener?

ven

first set of adds that is

[hollow river]

in p2?

[mental swallow]

p1

[hollow river]

p1

hm

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7LpCaMQYW4w6DBrz#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=18

What did I do wrong here? Or just gear?

[hollow river]

i think you just open on sire as you would in ST

then for first set of adds just FoK OR CT them if you can fast enough

as they should be dying quickly

[mental swallow]

yeah they melt pretty fast, I was using FoK after first env on sire to get full cp then env sire again

with shiv going

[drifting cloud]

thats fine no point trying to minmax p1

[mental swallow]

yeah def

[hollow river]

^

in p2 you want to get CT up on adds and then rupture

[mental swallow]

i'm fine on single target damage on sire throughout the pulls just shit parses so i'm feeling like I'm missing something bad

[hollow river]

iirc

well its progression right

[mental swallow]

ya

[hollow river]

fuck a parse

do boss dam

[mental swallow]

yeah i was top boss dam overall by a mile

[hollow river]

and cleave adds for energy regen and to kill them (obv)

[drifting cloud]

why you looking at wipe parses anyways 😄

[mental swallow]

cause it's prog

[drifting cloud]

its just random numbers there

[hollow river]

that's what sin is good at

[sand hornet]

just switched to assassination whats the talents and rot for pve

[mental swallow]

comparing to kills just trying to figure out how to push the spec

[hollow river]

idk venthyr rotations as well as other people here