assassination

[soft shale]

yea but there are only 3 dps one

[balmy condor]

please, I have two hands and I have an urge to use them both for strangling purposes

[soft shale]

you chuck those on gloves etc

[gusty mirage]

Are all the soulbinds fully implemented?

[vestal wren]

yes

[royal lantern]

stay strong whispr

[dawn ivy]

by fully implemented, thats assuming they work how we assume they work right

or have they actually fixed the multiple new soulbind triats that werent working right

[soft shale]

you can check binds on ptr on they are currently implemented

[cerulean nest]

is season2 releasing right away? or another two week hiatus?

[vestal wren]

all fine whispyr, no need to worry

[soft shale]

season 2 is week of july 7th

[cerulean nest]

ah

[soft shale]

but first week of hc you have cucked ilvl on m+

still worth to spam more or less

[cerulean nest]

wdym

[gusty mirage]

you can't spam m+ until heroic is released

lol

[cerulean nest]

yeah ^

[hollow escarp]

[soft shale]

first week of hc i mean

we already said it begins on 7th july

[balmy condor]

I'm not worrying, I'm just irritated cause there's a bunch of stuff I can't sim, and I'm irritated cause people ask about things that can't be simmed and the response is "just add ptr=1", I'm irritated cause we can't just wait and end up talking in circles bout random stuff that doesn't really matter, I'm irritated cause the domination stuff is super whack, I'm irritated cause the patch is like half broken and blizzard decides to release it

[main idol]

i dont know if this has been asked before or not but should i prio ambush over mutilate if i have the doomblade legendary in subterfuge window

[balmy condor]

you only ambush with a blindside proc

[limber lion]

woah that's a loaded one

[main idol]

thanks @balmy condor

[vestal wren]

i think ptr=1 does its job for now even tho not everything works.

[gusty mirage]

but I thought 9.1 stuff is implemented?

[soft shale]

some of it

[vestal wren]

i think whats worse is that blizz fails to make it clear to the players what/how systems work

[soft shale]

like legendary changes

[gusty mirage]

so it's not fully implemented? So enabling ptr in advanced sim does not give you an accurate picture?

[balmy condor]

I'll ping you on sylvanas dagger questions then, cause I don't have the answers

[gusty mirage]

Got it

[vestal wren]

we kinda need wowhead/etc to explain us how domination sockets/legendary upgrades/etc work

[soft shale]

but dom sockets/set and for example especial effect like sylv dagger are still

??

[cobalt pelican]

expect sims to be functioning as a wholesale plug and play halfway through heroic week

and then trinkets to still be broken till like

3rd mythic week

ez

[soft shale]

yea trinkets are whack

good thing agi ones are quite safe

gland and hellscream seem above others

[vestal wren]

i mean its normal to have people ask about new stuff in advanced.
just like they ask how specs are in 9.1 when 9.0.5 got released

i don't think you can stop stupid questions

[balmy condor]

ptr=1 does it's job for sub buffs, and conduits/soulbinds if the given person is advanced enough to be able to edit those lines

ptr=1 does not do jack shit for the other 95% of questions

[vestal wren]

the raid won't release with 9.1

and we already have many trinkets implemented

i remember tiers when we had to wait for the raid to release to get trinkets tested

because no vendor on ptr and server sided scripts

[balmy condor]

out of all the trinkets I imported to test

2 worked

decanter, and ocular gland

[vestal wren]

domination socket implementation is iirc worked on so will be soon™️ simmable i guess

[soft shale]

the good ones hahaha

[vestal wren]

i totally understand your furstration about getting the same questions over and over

i am in this since legion 😉

[dry void]

almost sounds like you guys not fans of 17 different systems affecting character dps

[vestal wren]

i don't mind it

we had the discussion about it very early in alpha/beta

how it will be a huge effort to optimize everything

[dry void]

ye for sure

[vestal wren]

and i thing it is a lot of effort, but its not impossible

also we had quite some people step up and help with little optimizations lately

whispyr did a great job with some optimizations f.ex.

[dark jewel]

on mythic slg is it any worth to rupture skirmishers or just fok ct

[limber lion]

You should rupture the ones that live longer.

Usually the very first set dies really quick, but the sets after should last a while.

Not every single one though

If you're Necro, it's pretty simple.

You can just SBS - Rup - SBS - Rup - SBS - CT the set that spawns

[dark jewel]

ty cev

[limber lion]

My pleasure

[oak sky]

yo i just swapped necro

is sudden fractures better than wps

[limber lion]

Usually yeah, you should sim it,.

a 226 wps better than a 200 sf most likely

[oak sky]

kk

[indigo mulch]

Cev i really tried to parse with the knowlage you passed onto me.

Still got a meh leg and my uptime is shit on garrote D:

sadge

I stood 2h infront of a dummy just bashing it to get all the musclememory etc Still shit log

:/

[limber lion]

You honestly need to get a better weak aura for your garrote if it drops.

That's the only way.

Add some audio to it

or make it jump up really really big

in the middle of your screen

Turn your entire screen blue if garrote is in pandemic

[balmy condor]

@limber lion release an audio pack where you just say "HEY REAPPLY YOUR GARROTE"

so people can add it to their wa's

[limber lion]

Beginner friendly weak aura set with audio queues for all pandemic timers?

[hollow river]

would be unusable in m+ lool

[indigo mulch]

lol

[vestal wren]

i somehow image a overlapping audio loop of "reapply garrote"

[limber lion]

And I just start bashing insults if your garrote drops

[ocean shadow]

i DO NOT want to imagine that

[hollow river]

looooool

[bleak sky]

and as soon as shiv is back from cd: JUST FFUCKING SMASH IT

[soft shale]

time for patreon wa

[bleak sky]

shiv back from cd? SEND IT BOIII

[cerulean nest]

"oh my god you actually let it drop HAHAH"

thatd be a good weakaura

[indigo mulch]

A weakaura that insults you by telling you that your shit at the video game.

Sadge

[soft shale]

i can make a wa with bob ross quotes if you want

[pure moth]

Wa to check the pins everytime something drops. That way they can read pins a second time to not forget rotation.

[severe sparrow]

the IV guide says "The goal is to get three, 4-5 Combo Point Envenom Icon Envenoms inside the 9-second duration of Shiv" but no matter how much i slam my buttons i end up with 2 envenoms and 2cp. am i missing something? starting from full cp/energy

[bleak sky]

ignore the guide

[limber lion]

That's not really the goal honestly.

I mean, it's pretty cool and sick if you get 3 Envenom's in

[dawn ivy]

thats the dream, not the goal

[limber lion]

but not really something you need to strive towards every time.

[bleak sky]

if you get lucky you can do it

[severe sparrow]

👌 solid. thanks.

[dawn ivy]

really only happens when you run vigor

you gotta get giga lucky on blindside procs if youre running DS

[scenic meteor]

Beginner friendly weak aura set with audio queues for all pandemic timers? :pog:
@limber lion

[bleak sky]

good news: added sounds to my wa to let me know when garrote/rupture hits pandemic

bad news: it also happens while i'm out of combat

[tulip nacelle]

try load-in combat

[bleak sky]

TRUE

[oak sky]

when shiv is up

"check pins"

[safe whale]

[warm parcel]

I have the perfect .wav for you

[placid cobalt]

is it possible to test sylvanas dagger on ptr? was wondering what they mean on the tooltip when saying the debuff stacks more as the target gets injured

[soft shale]

no its not possiblee

[dusk basalt]

hey guys little offtopic i guess, but im looking for some suggestions for raid/m+ uis that you use for rogues, i just formatted my SSD and didnt save my addons, so figured id look around for some new stuff

[limber lion]

We have no clue, unfortunately.

[placid cobalt]

i see

[limber lion]

Atrocity has a really good UI setup

It includes weak auras, Elvui setup, Plater and more

The whole deal

[dusk basalt]

sounds good ill have a google

[red plaza]

Naowhs is also good as well. Both require a sub though

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dusk basalt]

i use Afenar's WA

[red plaza]

I would get one of those groups, and then build an Elvui profile around that

[limber lion]

I do too

I have an Elvui setup I made myself

[red plaza]

Cevs plater is really good too

[limber lion]

And Afenar's slapped on top

As well as a dozen different addons and weak auras

Ui's are just a matter of preference in the end

[dusk basalt]

ive actually just found that elvui nameplates are really good, i used the filters to show when there's no rupture on a target, the health bar changes colours based on duration and rupture

[limber lion]

Yeh that's fine if it works for you

[dusk basalt]

well i guess the hunt continues, not really interested in paying for a UI haha

[warm parcel]

If I may suggest a different approach

Take some time to learn to do your own UI

Granted its a lot harder to get into it now compared to years back

[dusk basalt]

ive done it in the past, its just a lot of work

[warm parcel]

It is

[soft shale]

my ui is chaos

but MY CHAOS

[warm parcel]

Just easier to get the stuff you want and no extra bits and what not

[limber lion]

I honestly recommend just yoinking someone else's UI and then modifying it to your liking

Removing what you don't want and adding what you're missing.

But each to their own, just do what you think is best and will yield the best result for you :p

At least we got time before 9.1 to get UI's and whatnot sorted before the patch drops.

[dusk basalt]

yeah im just going through wago.io

but i cant seem to find a way to sort by popular or anythin ghaha

[dark crag]

My ui is handcrafted from 2009

[pure moth]

Theirs on wago as well?

[humble ginkgo]

No

you have to subscribe to atrocity on twitch to get his UI

its great

I bought it thinking not much of it but 10/10

curerntly thinking of just removing my fragnance ui stuff and going with all of atrocity stuff

[pure moth]

Oh ok

[shy dust]

Id heavily recommend atrocity

You have to sub to get one time and stay subbed to get the constant updates

[limber lion]

Yeh, Atrocity is just great. You don't really need other stuff.

[shy dust]

But it’s a very awesome UI

[humble ginkgo]

hey btw we talking about this in outlaw chat but have you guys seen this?

https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=352500/kevins-oozeling

[pure moth]

I had copied someone's ui.. but the only thing i don't like is the chat box. When there ate multiple messages, it sometimes puts the messages on top of each other so its not readable lol

[humble ginkgo]

marileth soulbind

[shy dust]

With spec specific WA’s

[humble ginkgo]

every time you press SBS you get a 2% dmg increase

Idk if theres a CD on it

[limber lion]

You can definitely get that fixed.

[humble ginkgo]

but sounds pretty good

[pure moth]

Yes but i can't figure out which addon is interfering. Ive gone through settings on everything

[limber lion]

Elvui might have 2 chat windows just on top of one another

I have 2 chat windows myself

[pure moth]

I have a right chat box. But not sure how to disable it

[sonic schooner]

happens to me sometimes, most likely when i close a whsiper tab

🤔

[balmy condor]

What about me?

[sonic schooner]

i dont have any issues when i close a whispyr tab 🤔

i think

[balmy condor]

ah okay

sounds good

[sonic schooner]

🙄

[untold verge]

Just one question

100% i have to go necro to 9.1

so i could chance now

and secure 40 renown before 9.1

[amber mountain]

You want to be 40 renown with whatever covenant you want to be in by 9.1

[untold verge]

im 40 renown kyrian and venth

[plain thistle]

whats the question? if you 100% have to go necro for 9.1 just change now

[untold verge]

nono

i dont know

xddd

[plain thistle]

well, you dont have to go necro

[untold verge]

im so confused i hate this moment before patch

xd

[plain thistle]

I would say kyrian is the only weak choice for assa

and both venthyr and necro are the better choices, NF is fine

[limber lion]

Necro is looking like the strongest choice overall, but just play whatever you want.

You won't probably be able to tell the difference in output anyways

[humble ginkgo]

^^

[thorny pond]

Any fast way to change covs on PTR?

[limber lion]

Unfortunately not.

[thorny pond]

that's toxic

[simple wadi]

Honestly I think cov choice comes down to if you want to play an off spec - if you want to also play sub, go venth. If you want to play outlaw - go necro

Otherwise pick whatever you like best

[crisp ledge]

@thorny pond in the area in oribos with all 4 covs

behind the middle table with bolvar

is an NPC that lets you insta swap to any 4 cov

and are set to 40 renown

no requirements

[limber lion]

Oh sick, must be a pretty new thing.

[thorny pond]

thank you

[crisp ledge]

been there last 2 patches i think

[thorny pond]

I appreciate that

[limber lion]

Good stuff.

[thorny pond]

The new bleed trinket I'm sure doesn't work with Doomblade I assume

[crisp ledge]

https://i.imgur.com/MO6HgMm.png

that dude on the left there

[thorny pond]

you're a lord

[untold verge]

thanks bro

[warm parcel]

the dude has been there for a long

it just set you to 1 renown and bricked your char

as you couldnt get any soulbinds

[soft shale]

ahaha

[warm parcel]

[soft shale]

press here to fuck up your character

[limber lion]

Ah yeh, the renown thing was the new thing that was added a while ago

[warm parcel]

glad to hear it works now that patch is here in a week

[soft shale]

dont worry after patch 9.1 hits

we have 9.2 ready

LETS GOOO

o h wait

[thorny pond]

9.1.1

the emergency patch

[soft shale]

9.1.3.14

PI

patch

[idle shard]

anyone here plays sudden fractures in single target?

it sims 1dps higher than well-placed steel. I know its nothing but im just curious lol

cuz ive seen a few rogues in wcl using sudden fractures in ST fights

[soft shale]

yea only fight you dont play it would be sludge

[limber lion]

Yes, I just use SF everywhere

[idle shard]

I see

btw why on xymox a lot of rogues using blindslide?

[thorny pond]

Single target talent

It’s honestly a patchwerk fight if you don’t get mechanics

[limber lion]

Bs/ds just sims better for single target

Ep/vig for multi-target

[idle shard]

Yeah I remember reading whispyr's pinned messages and it says DS can be better with venthyr or decent haste

how much haste would that be?

guess Ill sim it actually lmao

[limber lion]

There is no set %

But generally if you're high ilvl, BS/DS is probably the default choice for single target for Venth/Necro

[idle shard]

I see

[humble ginkgo]

9.2 will drop august 2022

[simple wadi]

Can we not

[dusk basalt]

anyone got any suggestions for combat text addons, i find with so many small hits lots of addons look terrible

[limber lion]

Msbt

[plain thistle]

using nameplateSCT since forever

[strange python]

Might be my stat weights but the difference between bs/ds for me is like less than 10 to using vigor as Necro at 226

[plain thistle]

cant even remember how normal numbers looks like

[limber lion]

That's pretty normal.

[dusk basalt]

thats what i tried too @plain thistle but its not that readable with assassination

[limber lion]

That's why many just stick to playing EP/Vig as Necro

[warm parcel]

For me mfd is higher than vigor

[plain thistle]

hmmm why not?

[warm parcel]

no kap

[limber lion]

Actual madlad

[soft shale]

mfd was quite close anyway

[warm parcel]

ds still #1 tho

mfd and vigor like 24 27 behind

[dusk basalt]

because there's so many small hits of dmg i couldnt find a way to either combine them or make it so they come out non-overlapped

[spice spire]

MFD gamer

[warm parcel]

hell yea

mfd for life

[strange python]

Mfd!? What are we? Outlaw rogues. Heading the way of 44 binds here...

Lol

Would actually be fun to use mfd as sin. But it still sims a bit meh for me

[plain thistle]

yeah dont know, I always just ignore those small white numbers, if I want to see envenom damage or something that addon shows the ability icon

[warm parcel]

I quite enjoy torturing my raid team with 25s pull timers using mfd

[humble ginkgo]

do you go mfd every fight?

[warm parcel]

but of course

[balmy condor]

“Sorry the mfd was on point but I missed the deathly prepull can we wipe and go again?”

[warm parcel]

I did once accidently trinket sludge when I tried to prepull ven

cough

[limber lion]

"so how much dps are you getting from this cheese shit?"

"idk like 17"

[warm parcel]

we dont talk bout that

just give me the pull timer

[limber lion]

Massive numbers, just trust me

[plain thistle]

[warm parcel]

thats the spirit

[humble ginkgo]

what does mfd prepull do?

I read it on the guide

like prepull 17s

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[humble ginkgo]

Pre-Pull

18 seconds on the pull timer, Marked for Death when talented

what does this accomplish

Do you guys all play mfd every fight?

[warm parcel]

I mean it all depends on your guild

if you can get a 25 timer you can get a "free mfd"

otherwise do it as soon as you can

[humble ginkgo]

do you mfd slice prepull?

so instead of having to sbs slice you just sbs garrote rupture

into vendetta shiv vanish

[plain thistle]

you dont lose those combo points and the next Mdf cd is shorter 🙂

[warm parcel]

ye you start with snd and one stack of alac

[limber lion]

Sbs muti rup gar

[warm parcel]

and go straight into rupture

[humble ginkgo]

oh ok

that sounds good tbh

[plain thistle]

but no, we usually dont play mfd in raid

[humble ginkgo]

Getting my guild to 25s prepull now

[plain thistle]

you can

[humble ginkgo]

I think our mage asked for a higher prepull

and no one agreed

[warm parcel]

yeh everyone hates 25s timer

[humble ginkgo]

also is it true I am always supposed to get 3 env in shiv window

it feels legit impossible

[limber lion]

No

[humble ginkgo]

mid pull to d othat

I can get 2 barely

[plain thistle]

you want as much as you can, you wont get 3 every shiv

[warm parcel]

you can envenom as many times as the game lets you

lol

get 4 cp muts?

grats

[humble ginkgo]

ok yea

[warm parcel]

get only 2 cp? unlucky

[humble ginkgo]

but I was told always shiv on cooldown

even if it makes me overcap

[limber lion]

Didn't get 3 Envenoms = u suck

[humble ginkgo]

but then if I always shiv on cd

I will have to reapply dots

[warm parcel]

with vigor 3 should be easy tho

ye

[humble ginkgo]

in the shiv window

[limber lion]

But really, it doesn't matter whatsoever

[warm parcel]

like it aint scripted

but if you dont go into shiv with 0 energy 0 cp

youll likely get more done during it

[limber lion]

You just press Shiv and continue normal rotation but ignore pooling

[humble ginkgo]

so its not bad reapplying dots in shiv window instead of env

[limber lion]

Nothing changes

[humble ginkgo]

oh ok

thanks

[limber lion]

It's not bad but if you can avoid it, you do

[humble ginkgo]

I need to get better at 2t actual bosses

[limber lion]

Like if Rupture is in pandemic and ahiv is coming in 3s, you want to rup before the shiv comes off cd

[humble ginkgo]

I can 2t on dummy

and I heard there was adecent ammt of fights that were 2t

[limber lion]

Instead of delaying the rup cast for no reaso

[humble ginkgo]

next tier

[plain thistle]

most of the times you can use garrote/rupture pandemic timer to refresh before shiv

plan ahead a little bit, but sometimes you need to refresh during it, no big deal

[humble ginkgo]

I hate when both targets are at same cd for the pandemic

its so aids for garrote

its like bound to fall off

[warm parcel]

mfd also lets you get 4 envenoms during shiv if youre pro

[humble ginkgo]

but if it falls for like .2 seconds is that like horrible

like ive had it fall off for a tiny little second

[warm parcel]

I dont have a mathematical answer

[humble ginkgo]

because they we4re both on pandemic at same time

[warm parcel]

But Id imagine its not the end of the world

[humble ginkgo]

okok

this spec is pretty dope

Refreshing from outlaw

[warm parcel]

one upside of rog

3 diff dps specs

[simple wadi]

And they really are so different

[warm parcel]

Well they do all use combo points

And energy

[shut garnet]

do we rly count sub as a spec

rogue's cool, its got assa and outlaw

[balmy condor]

Sub 3 target vs sin 3 target

[simple wadi]

I wasn’t being sarcastic - I just meant play style

[thin path]

it's a great class for sure^^

[humble ginkgo]

they really play differently

its cool

and knowing that all 3 specs are good now

[limber lion]

Very swell

Indeed

[humble ginkgo]

outlaw actually went from the best performing to the lowest

[thin path]

oh is sub not dead anymore?

[humble ginkgo]

got the sub treatment as oine said

went unchanged

sub is simming higher than assa

on paper

[balmy condor]

I mean aside from cp/energy, they play quite differently

[humble ginkgo]

someone said by 200-300

[thin path]

interesting, still staying sweet sin

[simple wadi]

I can’t tell if we are agreeing lol

[humble ginkgo]

Im staying sin bc I can multispec with necro

cant play necro sub

so ill pass on playing it

bc im not going venthyr

[balmy condor]

I think we are idk I’m at work

[simple wadi]

I think we are

[thin path]

cause necros are dom? xd

[humble ginkgo]

true

real

[simple wadi]

Appreciate you btw

[solid cape]

While sims say doomblade is looking best for 9.1 in terms of raiding would you guys say dashing is maybe worth crafting over it for the smoother play (im not sure how big the dps gap is looking)

[balmy condor]

No u

[humble ginkgo]

what is dashing

[simple wadi]

No u

[balmy condor]

It’s close enough to where you can craft dashing if you want to get that extra 2 apm, sure

[humble ginkgo]

for prog zoldyck is better right?

[warm parcel]

I mean

[humble ginkgo]

even though doomblade does more dmg

[warm parcel]

+2 apm is double what assa has otherwise

[limber lion]

No

[humble ginkgo]

so doomblade is superior

?

[simple wadi]

Depends on the fight

[limber lion]

Zoldyck is better for fights with last phase damage checks

[humble ginkgo]

ok

so sire

[limber lion]

Not all fights

Yes

[humble ginkgo]

alright

[simple wadi]

I can’t imagine a world where zold isn’t better on the 9

[balmy condor]

[humble ginkgo]

well ill be honest I have no clue what the fights are next tier

[limber lion]

Why would you want less overall damage for more execute

[humble ginkgo]

i need to look into them

[limber lion]

On a boss where it doesnt matter

[humble ginkgo]

would it be good for me to recraft doomblade right now?

[warm parcel]

At least someone got the joke

:D

[humble ginkgo]

since I have it on gloves

and thats socket slot right

[limber lion]

Let me know what happens

Go for it.

[humble ginkgo]

wdym

[thin path]

wait for 9.1 it gets a new slot on ehm, cape

[humble ginkgo]

am i getting trollfaced

ohhh

yea

[balmy condor]

You can’t craft on cloak till 9.1

[humble ginkgo]

forgot

LOL

thats ass

[limber lion]

Why?

Why does it matter now?

What do you need it for now

[humble ginkgo]

bc my current doomblade is 210

[limber lion]

So?

[humble ginkgo]

the ILVL dud

[solid cape]

Im ngl I went to upgrade my celerity ring today to rank 4 for outlaw and as I go to AH turns out people have price locked the rings at 150k because people are recrafting to other slots

[balmy condor]

Dopamine hit to the skull right NOW

[humble ginkgo]

wait I forgot

I also need to recraft my outlaw leggo

FFS

[solid cape]

kek

[limber lion]

Did you forget that we're literally getting a new patch in like a week

[humble ginkgo]

outlaw dead spec anyway

[limber lion]

Insane ilvl gains

[humble ginkgo]

yoking I would never betray outlaw

[solid cape]

Outlaw looking nutty in m+ tbh

[humble ginkgo]

I dont m+

I m+ for weekly then im out

but I will have to get KSM

[solid cape]

I mean you're gonna have to in next patch 😮

[limber lion]

I'll take a bullet instead.

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

Gonna make me bust out the laptop at work mr message count?

[limber lion]

me seepi

[balmy condor]

Smh so hard to find reliable help these days

[gusty mirage]

[balmy condor]

@limber lion go sleep

[sonic schooner]

your work isnt to make raidbot working for rogues in 9.1 whisp?

i m really disappointed

😔

[balmy condor]

lmao

[gusty mirage]

wdym I was told it was already implemented

[sonic schooner]

"no icon" is already implemented

[gusty mirage]

[drifting cloud]

hello what is the secret to get 3 envenoms in every shiv

[balmy condor]

I work at a bowling alley irl cause that's where I spent most of my life. If I knew how to implement things I would be hard at work doing that, but I'm not familiar with the actual code to make that happen yet

so I'm just resources/APL guy

[gusty mirage]

you have to sacrifice your first born and then burn your house down

[drifting cloud]

that doesnt sound worth it

[gusty mirage]

if you don't have your own house, or a first born you can substitute someone else's

[sonic schooner]

it is worth it

i mean, we almost all did already in here

it s fine whisp, i dont blame you because u have cute emotes

idk why but i like your cry one

[balmy condor]

[sonic schooner]

and after burning your own house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYP7Xu2wN1k

[balmy condor]

it's got little teeny hands

[soft shale]

the harsh life of only knowing c++ i know your pain

[sonic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/838675021744439339.png?v=1

[soft shale]

and i cba learning other languages

[sonic schooner]

yea

that s a really cute one

definitly

[balmy condor]

....that's literally what simc is written in?

[soft shale]

no i mean when i want to use it for other things

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah I need to get on the c++ train and help out some implementations

learning things though

[inner temple]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[soft shale]

everytime i say to myself i want to help on simc i get ptsd from when i worked on zeus

[mint narwhal]

does anybody know at this point whats the best covenant for Sin rogue come to 9.1 in 3 weeks . ?

heard that necro was good then got nerfed

[plain thistle]

necro did not get nerfed

the legendary did

[wide bolt]

yea leggo got nerfed to not be nuts for outlaw in M+

the convenant itself is still a great all-around option

if youre playing sin/outlaw

[mint narwhal]

i see. but whats the consensus about sin rogue . raid /mythic+

necro or ventyr

[balmy condor]

sin/outlaw necro
sin/sub venthyr
sub/outlaw kyrian

[mint narwhal]

cool.

[sonic schooner]

kyrian

[balmy condor]

you laugh but it's within like 60 dps for sub

and it's quite good for outlaw too

[mint narwhal]

and which legendary should i go for , for raiding and myt + .

doomblade for raid and Insignia for myt+?

[balmy condor]

yep

[mint narwhal]

cool .

[pure sinew]

Remind me the nerf?

[kindred shuttle]

Raid necro assassino yey or ney?

[spice spire]

Yes

[sonic schooner]

yay

[past mauve]

From what its showing its necro for raid and m+

[sonic schooner]

yay

[kindred shuttle]

Neede second opinion

Necro is so smooth

[spice spire]

[kindred shuttle]

Its a crime

[plain thistle]

I cant remind you of something that didnt happen

but here you can check the new necro legendary nerf https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-9-1-ptr-build-38950-class-and-spell-changes-demon-hunter-talent-tuning-322739

[balmy condor]

[plain thistle]

[kindred shuttle]

It wil tho cant have ztoo mch fun

Especially melee

[spice spire]

Jhon can see into the future

[kindred shuttle]

Fcking blizz

[mint narwhal]

do we go for the Deathspike legendary still?

[hollow escarp]

nope

but they did reverse nerfs recently

so there is hope

[balmy condor]

yeh deathspike is about 1.5-2% worse than zold in m+

[gusty mirage]

that's a hot take if I've heard one

[waxen thunder]

Do we know how far ahead necrolord will be in front of venth?

[manic harness]

do I need to save Soul Ash to craft a new Doomblade on cloak for 9.1?

[neat reef]

Do you use trinkets during vendetta or just whenever?

[trim dirge]

I'd only recraft once I actually get the domination piece

[balmy condor]

stat ones with vend, otherwise whenever

[neat reef]

cool thanks :D

[cerulean nest]

M+ and raiding as sin. obviously necro right?

[spice spire]

Vibe it out man, that’s my preferred line, personally, and seems supported by the pins

[cerulean nest]

i prefer it too

[balmy condor]

Covenant Recommendations
assassin/subtlety: venthyr
assassin/outlaw: necro
subtlety/outlaw: kyrian
all 3: pick one depending on the above.

reasoning: necro sin is quite close in single target to venth, and wins on 2+ target, subtlety looks good as venth/kyrian in single target, venth/fae in m+, outlaw is necro/kyrian for m+, venth/kyrian in single target.

ALL COVENANTS WILL BE FINE. PICK WHATEVER YOU WOULD LIKE, THIS IS ONLY TO BE OPTIMAL.

[thin path]

would be neat if we keep a version of the cov abilities next expac, sin a bonespike, law Kyrian roulette and sub

idk xd
flavor wise sepsis l guess

going not by numbers but flavor

[thorny pond]

@balmy condor Thank you for your help in keeping the discord clean and directing the chaos, especially around the patches ❤️

[balmy condor]

I try

[hollow river]

O:

told you sub rogues were going kyrian xD

[balmy condor]

yeah and all it took was 150 dps in optimizations eggsdee

[thorny pond]

I know this is sin channel but how did the weighting of the sub conduits change? Stilleto became pog right?

[balmy condor]

yeah, that also needed some apl work

but stiletto is looking pretty good

syncs to flag with obedience

[thorny pond]

I feel sub had to get quite a bit of leg work and optimization going

Think that'll push crit/haste as their 2 stats to prefer now?

[dense axle]

You mean flag with shadow blades?

[balmy condor]

it's just that there's a lot of random interactions cause of the cdr

[gloomy knoll]

hey @balmy condor since gemstones is guaranteed to come on pull think it's worth holding on use for the crit proc?

[balmy condor]

sure

[gloomy knoll]

pog

[balmy condor]

yes, stiletto allows blades to sync to flag with obedience

[dense axle]

Hot damn

Glad I went venthyr. Ty sir

[balmy condor]

it's a little janky sometimes

[thorny pond]

If SBS wasn't so damn strong in M+ as sin I'd probably swap back but oh well

[balmy condor]

and you wouldn't hard sync every cast

but it's pretty gud

oh and perforated is good randomly

for kyrian

[gloomy knoll]

gonna need you to never speak this atrocity again

[thorny pond]

That makes sense though Whispyr

[balmy condor]

does it

[thorny pond]

Pelagos tree?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[thorny pond]

Did you see a higher uptime in dance with pelagos compared to other soulbinds?

[balmy condor]

pffffff

no clue

but like perforated being good

[thorny pond]

This is also just my feely craft since I don't have hard sub numbers but 3x potency for sub as pelagos will just inflate the value of it since reverb < PV

[balmy condor]

is kinda really cringe imo

[thorny pond]

It makes the rotation jank that's forsure

[balmy condor]

this is the second best combo

for sub

2,1320031,Venthyr; Nadjia; Thrill Seeker; Lashing Scars; Stiletto Staccato; Perforated Veins; Fatal Flaw; Obedience,7732

lashing, stiletto, perf

[thorny pond]

Deeper can't be that far behind?

[balmy condor]

the best replaces perf with deeper

sylv daggers will also bump up deeper

so there's that

but man

that hurts

[thorny pond]

Sure does

But Lashing/Stiletto/Deeper sounds like a good problem to have

because there is no way you don't take dauntless for an extra potency

[balmy condor]

I think the cutoff is rank 8's

[thorny pond]

252 conduits > Dauntless then?

[soft shale]

the perforated veins one on pelagos is because of the extra agi

[hollow river]

it's the truth

[thorny pond]

Then you'd expect PE to come out ahead also not PV

[soft shale]

no pe is really bad now

it does not have sinergy

with anything

staccato gives more blades that get amped by perforated

so you have a buffed backstab that can double hit and does 50% more damage

or 6% crit for 10 seconds every 30 seconds

[balmy condor]

Fried like my beans bro

[soft shale]

well it was always close to deeper daggers

[balmy condor]

Yes, the reason it’s good is because backstab got buffed

[thorny pond]

I'm glad we had this hypothetical since odds are 1 in every 50 rogues will be kyrian lol

[balmy condor]

Not because of any random kyrian agi jank

[soft shale]

but with 3 shadow set and sylvanas dagger we safe

that is true i forgot bs was buffed too

[thorny pond]

And yet gloomblade is still nobody's choice

[balmy condor]

yeh

[soft shale]

weaponmaster is better yea

kind of sad we wont have old weaponmaster because of fucky interactions

could help cleave/aoe instead of the joke pre med is

[thorny pond]

Just make a talent that let's SS cleave

[balmy condor]

bring back prenerf akaari and make it also shadowstrike everything around you

[thorny pond]

yea, what he said ^^

[soft shale]

lets just bury aakari in a hole

[thorny pond]

beta was the most fun I had playing WoW in years

[soft shale]

the dance nova or second shuriken was also quite good

same as assa wants SS back

im actually so sad assa conduits are so bad for aoe i guess lethal poisons is kind of fine

but if you dont have fracture picking 3 potencies seems like a nightmare

[thorny pond]

should've bade echoing a conduits or talent

but what do I know about game design

[soft shale]

funny thing echoing blades was meant to be a sub trait

but blizzz decided to make it assa and then introduce replicating shadows

that was so good everyone loved it

[gloomy knoll]

lies

lies and slander

[soft shale]

then nerfed the proc rate by 80%

[balmy condor]

lets just all go fae, so mystler doesn't have to be so lonely

[soft shale]

korayn is not so bad

[gloomy knoll]

i wish fae was good

[soft shale]

sepsis is just sad

[gloomy knoll]

soul shape is poggers

[soft shale]

and toxic onslaught is a meme

[thorny pond]

fae should let us take MP and be viable with poison build

[soft shale]

idk how far is dashing to zold in slice

[raven geode]

Is there a pinned message on zoldyck insignia and all the abilities it affects? Like SbS etc. Google hasnt been kind to me.

[soft shale]

it does not affect envenom

other bleeds/poisons are affected by it

[balmy condor]

yea no envenom, everything else is good to go

not sure on sbs

think it does

[thorny pond]

p sure

[soft shale]

initial hit no idea but dot sure

[balmy condor]

It used to be bugged but idk which way anymore

[thorny pond]

I think the initial does not, dot does

[balmy condor]

yeah

[raven geode]

Dunno if it's even worth upgrading at this point over the new one.

[thorny pond]

but I have napkin testing

[balmy condor]

the new what?

[raven geode]

9.1 leggo

[soft shale]

as far as i know assa does not use new leggos

for anything

[balmy condor]

it is not worth

[raven geode]

For m+ purposes

[balmy condor]

deathspike is worse

as per the pin

[soft shale]

maybe going kyrrian for pvp

but else meh necro for assa most of the way

[raven geode]

Oh I must of overlooked that one

[balmy condor]

yeah there's 2 pins

kind of a lot

by a show of hands real quick, do we prefer option 1: more pins, or option 2: a dedicated FAQ channel, keeping the sims and stuff in the pins here

uh

let me add emotes

[lean coral]

uh 1

[soft shale]

pins on each channel are fine

we are prone to civil wars for no reason

[raven geode]

I'm still kinda lost I'll be honest on where it is in pinned messages

[soft shale]

top right

just beside the bell

[balmy condor]

second pin towards the bottom

[nimble tartan]

i think a faq channel is nicer

[cyan dew]

Guys Lashing Scars will still be the better conduit? Or no one know atm?

[balmy condor]

I kinda tend to agree, lot of people bring it up to me

[balmy condor]

lashing is still the strongest conduit sin has, yes

[lean coral]

i like pins cause i usually check the most recent updates

[nimble tartan]

much more space and good edit design opportunities that little pin window cant provide

[cyan dew]

In 9.1 too? @balmy condor

[soft shale]

yes

[balmy condor]

yes.

[cyan dew]

Got it. ty!

[thorny pond]

get a bot to dm all members of their respective channel roles when a new pin goes up

[balmy condor]

that would still exist, it would just be it's own channel, rather than the pins

the core info doesn't change

but instead of top of the pins, it would be bottom of faq

idk, I think the main thing for me is that channels are easier to keep track of, and long sentences and stuff can be really hard to read in a small pin window

that shit sucks

this is just.... dense

really dense

[nimble tartan]

yeah and it can make it seem like too much info

but itd be way less spaced out in faq channel which could lend itself to even more info being put in

like mnp

[teal grove]

What is the best slot to craft Zoldyk in 9.1 ?

Also faq channel sounds nice imo

[cyan dew]

Another question, does Doomblade on cape will be the best for raid in 9.1, already set in stone?

Doomblade is looking to be the best legendary for raiding in 9.1. Craft it on a cloak. Dashing might also be good, will have to wait on sims.

ok i'm dumb

dind't read the last part, mb

[soft shale]

pants are safe from dom sockets @teal grove

[nimble tartan]

one of the benefit of pins though is that the relevant and new info is pushed to the top and easier for people to see immediately whereas in the faq channel it could be like somewhere after more common questions answers

which would prob mean more people not finding it as easy

[balmy condor]

looking like that, yes, dashing is very slightly behind, just like now

[teal grove]

@soft shale thank you

[cyan dew]

ty!

[hollow river]

oh wow

i missed the new state of sub rogue video

[balmy condor]

it's pretty much an hour of me disagreeing with fuu

[hollow river]

be like that sometimes

[balmy condor]

yeh

happens

[hollow river]

its interesting to listen to the debating

hence why i kinda like chillin here

[spice spire]

Me when fuu says sim scales harder than sub

[soft shale]

[balmy condor]

after the 9.0.5 changes, it does

[soft shale]

inb4 on 9.1.5 outlaw gets 12% aura buffs

[hollow river]

now you hush

[balmy condor]

it gains about 0.3-0.4% over sub, per 100 ilvl

very huge scaling

[hollow river]

lol

[soft shale]

and then blizzz just slaps shadow damage everywhere

HAVE FUN

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

I went in 50 ilvl increments until one of the specs capped out on stats

and it was like 1.2% diff to start or something

and at the end it was maybe 2.5?

at like 700 ilvl

[soft shale]

nice we can fight argus again

[spice spire]

Very hard scaling

[hollow river]

kinda glad i missed out on the big ass numbers of the last few expansions

feel like that'd be more confusing

[soft shale]

you missed the best of big dfa crits

or wm procced sorry i cant move

or whoops fell through the floor

[gloomy knoll]

PER 100 ILVL

scaling 📈 🚀 🌙

[balmy condor]

no lie was said that day

sin scales harder

can't argue with that

[cyan dew]

Guys do I always wait last sec before re-applying Rupture/garrote? Or if it reaches 6/7sec remaining I can cast it without dps loss?

[soft shale]

read about pandemic

long story short you can refresh when it has 30% duration remaining

[cyan dew]

ty

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[soft shale]

for rupture its like 9 secs for 6 cp and a little less for 5 cp

[gloomy knoll]

7.2 seconds for 5 cp

[balmy condor]

8.4 for 6 I think

I vaguely remember 1.2 seconds per cp

[cyan dew]

ty guys

[tardy basin]

in 9.1. Sin still stronger than Sub in ST?

[balmy condor]

neigh

[thorny pond]

I put all the work in here but my guild is like “you know what we need. 3rd hunter.”

[balmy condor]

did you tell them that survival is smashing mm and bm

[neat reef]

so is necrolord gonna be BiS in 9.1 for sin rogue?

[thorny pond]

Bout to tell them if they take 3 mm hunters over survival im calling the cops

[balmy condor]

"sure I'll play a hunter, survival only"

[balmy condor]

slightly behind in 1 target, ahead in 2

[neat reef]

So should I stay as venthyr?

[balmy condor]

if you'd like

there's a pin on the subject

[thorny pond]

It’s not bad

What content do you do and what are your goals should be the question you ask yourself

[hollow river]

but people won't run survival hunter cuz it's melee

unless they need a moving immune that badly

[viral locust]

Did we decide on if Dashing is better yet?

[cyan dew]

If shiv natura damage 9sec cd is finishing and my garrote/rupture too. Do I cast another envenon or prioritize refreshing rupture?

[balmy condor]

slightly behind, just like now

[gloomy knoll]

better than what?

[hollow river]

Doomblade on cloak 9.1

[balmy condor]

rupture takes prio

[viral locust]

DB

[cyan dew]

ty

[viral locust]

okay

[balmy condor]

dashing isn't "wrong"

but it is lower

let me pull a number real quick

[ember jay]

but should you refresh rupture before using shiv? meaning it wouldnt be in pd window

[balmy condor]

15 dps behind

[balmy condor]

if it's not in pd window, you would shiv

at no point in time should you rupture before pandemic on your current rupture

[ember jay]

thanks

[balmy condor]

the only condition for shiv is "is rupture ticking right now?" and "is vendetta more than 12 seconds away"

[hollow river]

so if it's in pand window we don't slam?

[balmy condor]

take your hypothetical situation

and ask those questions

if the answer to both is yes

you slam

otherwise you hold until those are both yes

[ember jay]

so, 6s left on rupture, shiv is up, you shiv before refreshing rupture?

[balmy condor]

yes

[ember jay]

👌

[balmy condor]

rupture is ticking ✅
vend is not in the situation ✅

so you slam

:)

[hollow river]

[balmy condor]

yes

[ember jay]

yea was asking because I saw the opposite in sub where you would refresh rupture outside of pd before going into dance, so was wondering if it was the same

[strange python]

so is the theotar stat buff thing full rng? it can be any stat or wot

[balmy condor]

that was in reference to him asking about out of pd refreshing

[balmy condor]

honestly that's kinda feelycraft as well

I don't have any sims to show that it's a gain

[hollow river]

ah i misread what he put above it

(:

[soft shale]

you only did that on bfa because of nights vengeance

that is super old news

[gloomy knoll]

wasting dance gcd's is bad so generally you make sure your rupture / snd won't fall off during dance

is a lil different

[balmy condor]

yeah but you still wouldn't refresh a rupture at like 10 seconds

if you're going into a dance

[gloomy knoll]

well yea dance is only 8 seconds anyways xd

[balmy condor]

so that means you just refresh in pandemic like normal

[gloomy knoll]

pretty much it normally lines up like that

i wonder if tripple obedience dance would change that

hard send a full rupture before it so you can tripple vers dance

[cyan dew]

I only mantain rupture/garrote in aoe on less than 3 mobs? More than 3, I should just fan?

3 or less*

[soft shale]

you can use rupture as last finisher

its not inside dance anyway and its more damage anyway

win win

[gloomy knoll]

oh true

didn't think of that one

[soft shale]

rupture as sin is as much as you can get while having ct up

and garrote on the 3 targets that you can get

do remember to envenom to keep snd up tho

[balmy condor]

you garrote/rupture everything that lives long enough

so in 15 target aoe

you keep CT up

and then rupture as much as you can

you would envenom to keep slice and dice up

but aside from that

[thorny pond]

Smash Shiv too

[balmy condor]

just CT, rup till you need to CT, CT, rup till you need to CT

over and over

[cyan dew]

ty Whispyr

[balmy condor]

np

[cyan dew]

Do I use shiv too?

[balmy condor]

yep

on cooldown just like single target

[cyan dew]

k

[stable moss]

im currently necro is it looking like a swap up for raiding in 9.1?

[balmy condor]

necro is fine

there's a pin

[stable moss]

i like necro feel

ty

[gloomy knoll]

i wonder if chat commands would work

any time any1 asks about the covenants just be like

!necro or !covenant lol

[stable moss]

i like the pin

[balmy condor]

!pins

[gloomy knoll]

pins are pog

[stable moss]

pog af

[balmy condor]

yo esra

you fucking laugh

do !pins

[gloomy knoll]

!pins

nothin

[white jetty]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[balmy condor]

moroes doesn't like you I guess

[gloomy knoll]

yea i got nothin from him xd

[thorny pond]

!pin

!pins

!bowling

[balmy condor]

weeeeeeeeird

[sacred isle]

I know a lot of the ptr stuff isn’t known yet

[humble ginkgo]

What is this about

was said in the dk discord

am I tripping or its useless

[thorny pond]

In case they break it

[sacred isle]

But will ct have any aoe interaction with Sylv dagger?

[gloomy knoll]

just in case it bugs

and you get a free socket

[thorny pond]

And it looks like you can’t socket new legend but I’m not sure

[gloomy knoll]

what you mean can't socket new legend?

[thorny pond]

I saw in a discord you won’t be able to socket legos crafted after 9.1 but it sounds sketch

[gloomy knoll]

that sounds like bs

[thorny pond]

I can’t confirm or deny but maybe it’s related to the above question

[gloomy knoll]

or just ptr being buggy

[thorny pond]

Yes

[sacred isle]

Veenaris item clearly states season 1 items. So don’t be surprised.

[gloomy knoll]

eh all rogue legendaries going on cape

so not like we gotta care

[thorny pond]

Celerity bros may care

[gloomy knoll]

oh true

[thorny pond]

For those who are splitting time that way

Like I said, I’m not knowledged on that at all just speculating why dk discord said that

But they say some weird stuff

[balmy condor]

but that dude pumps hella iron

I bet his arms look like big sewage pipes

[thorny pond]

I have a copy pasta about that somewhere…

There’s some Chad who’s still NF and he’s got giant pythons 🐍

[balmy condor]

lmao

[cyan dew]

For AoE, do I still use Heirmir Gemstone? Or another necro?

[balmy condor]

yep

gemstone everywhere

[thorny pond]

Gemstone is big value in aoe

All those dots rolling and criting

[cyan dew]

ty!

[thorny pond]

It’s mostly feelycraft but if I can I try to get it going right as my dots are peaking maximum

[icy ember]

!pin

!pins

[thorny pond]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
RH: https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-rogue-guide-shadowlands-raid-dps/
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

[hollow river]

you won't be able to use domination sockets on leggos

maybe that's what they meant

[torn atlas]

Good chance KSM is on the cards tonight. I can taste it.

Should claim a spot for top 40 Sin rogue on my server

[green raft]

Thoughts on night fae assa rogue going into 9.1? Any links appreciated. Thinking about switching over from necrolord

[pure moth]

Check the latest pin

[sacred isle]

Especially the bold part in the end 🙂

[strange python]

hey guys im new to assass rogue and i was wondering are we gonna craft new legendary for solo t or we gonna keep the same one ?

[gloomy knoll]

solo t?

[soft shale]

noo doomblade stays as top st for what we know

it does go on cloak now tho

[strange python]

aight thx

[solar bramble]

how bad was the deathspike nerf. didn't see what it was

it's the sole reason I felt up to playing sin in 9.1. if it's gone that bad it seems sin isn't the play for me. (feelsbad having to single apply bonespikes. already enough bleed spread as is)

[balmy condor]

Instead of 1+2 spikes it’s 1+1 spike

[solar bramble]

3 mob packs . . . 2 spikes . . . kind of an odd choice. why not just slightly reduce the upgront dmg of the additional spikes