assassination

[hollow river]

idk every glad sub rogue i know going necro sin for pvp in 9.1

since they've gotten rid of Cold Blood and brought back Hemo for sin

[sonic schooner]

Sin will be very good and looks very fun this next season, if i wsnt sin already i would also switch

🙄

but i m sure sub is not as dead as people says, but certainely not the same as 9.0 let s not be delusionnal ^^

[versed mica]

Sub talk in sin chat? Get outta hea ya rats

[strange python]

who likes my disc pro pic

[forest vigil]

make it bigger

[gloomy knoll]

imagine hating on your own class

also delete outlaw

[hollow river]

[kindred crescent]

wtf happened to rogue raid buff???

[craggy nimbus]

It's coming soon™.

Nah, I don't know, haven't seen anything about anything helpful for raiding. Was hoping for something good but meh

[subtle moss]

sin gonna be best spec for raids 9.1?

[humble ginkgo]

looking like it

[kindred crescent]

is everyone switching off venthyr?

[mossy crown]

So Doomblade on cloak now? Do I have to create a brand new legendary or is there something coming which allows me to change from gloves?

[loud trench]

So for the deathly shadows cheese pre pull do you equip it, vanish like 3 seconds before pull and then main equip and your vanish is back up?

[gloomy knoll]

yes will be on cloak now gonna need to make a new one

[gloomy knoll]

sin / sub

[molten beacon]

Do we have information about new bis leg for 9.1 ?

[gloomy knoll]

for sin?

same

nothing changed

[molten beacon]

Yes, I saw lot of rogues playing with necro legendary on ptr cause the new raid have a lot of cleave

[gloomy knoll]

is bad

don't use it in the raid lol

[balmy condor]

pretty much unless you're a sub rogue

[craggy nimbus]

Switching of Night Fae in my case :>>

[kindred crescent]

dang

well imma have to do some research but i mostly raid and get 15 keys done

[balmy condor]

mythic raid?

[sacred isle]

To be fair You can do any content as any covenant.

So don’t feel forced

[craggy nimbus]

I only raid heroic and do around +15 keys but I was bored af with Night Fae so swapped to Necro for the heck of it. Neither transmog suits me but I think there's a better flow with Necro and their skills

[fallow otter]

Do you mean 'to venthyr'?

[balmy condor]

he definitely means off of venthyr

there was a big push of venthyr for sin earlier in 9.0.5

9.1 is necro time

fixing all the stupid venthyr cheese

[fallow otter]

Well that's kinda good

They nerfed the conduit of something?

[balmy condor]

no

sbs crits now

theotar pot cheese is gone

prepull deathly is still a thing

rest assured I'm putting in my bug reports

[earnest remnant]

When did they fix the theotar potion cheese?

[balmy condor]

I guess almost 2 weeks ago now

week and a half

[sacred isle]

Yeah 2 ptr iterations ago

[earnest remnant]

neat

[balmy condor]

they fixed it on live

not just ptr

[sacred isle]

Oh, hadn’t heard that.

[fallow otter]

Im so out of the loop I log on monk to do msire then do farm on rogue with nf whatever made up spec haha

Then go play other shit

I was under the impression vampires was still the go

Glad to hear it's not though

[bronze wagon]

so are we crafting doomblade on cloak now or holddd

[long furnace]

Guys big question if i am at 5 cp is it ok to use shiv and waste the cp? or should I envenom and shiv after

[balmy condor]

Can’t even craft on doomblade yet

I’ll run some sims but there sim implementation lagging behind

[balmy condor]

Shiv on cooldown regardless of cp

Just shiv

Always shiv

[long furnace]

thanks ❤️

[teal grove]

So is now a good time to switch from Venth or Necro?

or wait for official notes?

[balmy condor]

Either are fine, if you want to swap, I would do it now so you don’t have to catchup renown

[teal grove]

Yea thats what I was thinking just wanted to get a second opinion haha

[humble ginkgo]

even if I overcap?

[cinder skiff]

Yes

[balmy condor]

that is what it means to be "regardless of cp"

[gloomy knoll]

can do it w/e you want

if you want to play sin / outlaw go necro

if you want to play sin / sub go venth

[grim hornet]

will doomblade be good jumping into 9.1 raiding?

[balmy condor]

Looking fine yeah

[grim hornet]

nice! ty

lol just saw pins. "craft it on cloak" i got it on hands D:

[tulip nacelle]

you'll want to recraft it then since hands are a domination socket slot

[strange python]

so you cant still take the sockets out or replace them without them being destroyed right

[slim cradle]

Normal sockets yeah, but domination sockets you can extract with an item

[grim hornet]

oh i see. tbh didn't check anything about domination sockets. i think ill recraft it on 9.1 tho

[limber lion]

You can buy a chisel for 10g from a vendor to take them out.

[slim cradle]

Its not 10g anymore, you buy it once with stygia and have it permamently

[strange python]

ah ok thats a relief

[limber lion]

Ah okay fair enough!

Honestly I still think Necro is better, but Weak is sold on Venthyr being the better choice for Phyl

[balmy condor]

The game of hot potato

Whispyr said koffing told me that cev said weak mentioned

I guess it’s more telephone than anything

[frail fossil]

the way is kyrian guys

i have the secret knowledge

[limber lion]

Yeh, everyone can have their preferences honestly

It's all feelcrafty and only by simming it we would get accurate results.

[frail fossil]

tbf my choice is going to be dependant on how strong is sub

[limber lion]

Who knows, maybe Sepsis is the play

[balmy condor]

I will actually be furious if that combinator is correct

[frail fossil]

go fetch the kyrian balls

[balmy condor]

I don’t get how that sub single target sim

Has venthyr on top, kyrian 14th, and then fae Dreamweaver at like 170th, and necro at like 250th

That shit feels giga whack

Like necro worse than venthyr

Sure

But DREAMWEAVER AS THE HIGHEST NIGHT FAE?

[limber lion]

Kyrian being so close to the outlier that is Venthyr is just weird

[balmy condor]

KYRIAN WITHIN 100 OF VENTH?

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Bruh

[frail fossil]

aren't kyrian soulbinds like rly good or smth ?

with 9.1

[limber lion]

That's what they're trying to figure out.

[balmy condor]

Yeah pelagos soulbind is strong

But like

Venthyr is already ahead

Obedience is the best legendary

And the soulbind isn’t bad

[limber lion]

Kyrian still bad on sin, right?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[limber lion]

Bless

[balmy condor]

I mean

I think kyrian on sub is bad too

But apparently there’s some dissenting info on that

So who fucking knows

Maybe kyrian is giga and I just haven’t found the sim yet

[dawn ivy]

ill have to quit this game if kyrian is good

[balmy condor]

The kyrian lego didn’t really look that good either

But apparently for sub it’s slamming every kyrian sim

So idfk anymore

I’ve been losing it all day

[red burrow]

Great so I've to probably switch covenants again and recraft the same leggo.

[balmy condor]

Nah

Kyrian still worse than venthyr

Even if the combinator is accurate

[naive cypress]

When playing CT, do you prio CT > Env when envenom buff is down? On Single Target

[red burrow]

But Necro is slightly ahead over Venthyr? Or is venthyr better just pure ST?

[limber lion]

Hopefully they don't mess around with covenants during heroic week

[balmy condor]

Yep, if you need to reapply the dot you do that

[limber lion]

Necro is better overall for any fight with multiple targets.

[red burrow]

Hmm

[limber lion]

It's better on stuff like Inerva already, even though the fight doesn't have sustained adds

But waves of adds are sick for resets

[naive cypress]

Should I be getting a lot of Envenoms when I dps in Aoe in m+, it feels like I spend most of my time fok -> Rupture/CT target swapping

[balmy condor]

The question is really do you play a lot of sub

[limber lion]

The leaderboards don't really reflect it because everyone got high ranks with Theotar

[balmy condor]

In sustained aoe you only envenom to refresh slice

[naive cypress]

Alright, so the higher rate of poison applications on fok doesnt rly matter

[balmy condor]

Correct

Poisons aren’t really that much damage in aoe

Like it’s nice

But not worth playing for

You would envenom as packs are dying obviously because dots require time to tick

But aside from that, no real reason

[naive cypress]

Yeah, I haven't been playing a lot of assa since late legion, i seem to remember playing around it some times then, but times change

[balmy condor]

Well in legion mastery only affected poisoned

[naive cypress]

Yeah

[gloomy knoll]

gotcha that's kinda what i figured it was for

[balmy condor]

And it was like 8x the value

[naive cypress]

We were running crazy mastery back then

[gloomy knoll]

imo boomkins do phyl

stellar drift = movement and they just convoke and walk away

[limber lion]

Nothing on KT resets sbs stacks either, so that sucks a lot

[gloomy knoll]

yea i had heard it was hella bugged

i doubt they fix it either

considering denny bugs still live

[limber lion]

But it's still very add-heavy outside of phyl

I mean

I tested mythic KT

And I didn't survive the phylactery a single time

Because of the winds and ground sruff

[gloomy knoll]

yea it's too much

[dawn ivy]

It wasnt that hard

[limber lion]

I honestly don't think we should go in to deal with it

[gloomy knoll]

imo it's boomi job

boomkin is literally pefect for it

[dawn ivy]

it was difficult/unlucky sometimes but there were a couple pulls i survived

[limber lion]

The boss has a green aura and the green swirlies on the ground oneshot you and the winds are like triple skirmisher winds

I thought it was a bit much

At least make the swirlies a different color

Akin to Sire

[gloomy knoll]

xD fr

[dawn ivy]

I didnt like how the swirlies dropped a pool regardless of if people got hit o not

I was under the assumption it would only drop a pool if someone got hit by one

[limber lion]

Yeh same

Idk, it was pretty dumb and did too much damage

[gloomy knoll]

yea the pools cut off like half the platform

is real dumb

[limber lion]

The winds being the biggest problem

Imo

[dawn ivy]

maybe they nerf the winds a bit and make the swirlies drop pools on hit

I could see that being changed

[gloomy knoll]

hopefully the wf bois have to deal with that and get it nerfed for us regular folk

[limber lion]

Makes dodging really hard if you need to have uptime on the boss, but the second you let go of W you just get yeeted 10yds away from the boss

[limber lion]

Me too, but then again

KT is looking piss easy currently

Outside of the Phyl

[gloomy knoll]

yea not a lot of

crazy mechanics to deal with tbh

just need to have proper management of spikes / souls

and healing

[limber lion]

And interrupts

[gloomy knoll]

yea

i think it'll be a little more challenging once it's all put together

i'm sure each little thing will be punishing

[limber lion]

I can see them adding some dumb mechanic to lock a single person from interrupting

[gloomy knoll]

and it just ads up to a lot of responsibility for the raid and each member

[limber lion]

Idk, it was just way too easy last time

[gloomy knoll]

i'm assumin it'll be tuned high

so like if you fuck up at any little thing its a wipe

cuz the mechanics themselves aren't too hard

either that or you could be right and

phylactery stays hard and that's the whole fight lol

[balmy condor]

I find the easiest way to deal with the phylactery is to just not do ptr testing and then see what kind of bugs limit will run into that have to get fixed

[limber lion]

True.

[dawn ivy]

theres just going to be a concrete number of times you can phase KT before you are force wiped, so the last 2 "up" phaases of KT are going to be brutal with 6+ spikes/adds

[limber lion]

Painsmith was completely bugged the last time we did it, so that was fun

[gloomy knoll]

i mean

the phylactery is kinda rough

and you do have to meet a damage check

who knows where they go with it

the fights def fun tho

i enjoy it

[limber lion]

I've enjoyed all fights in SoD so far.

[gloomy knoll]

fatescribe is god awful

worst melee boss of all time

honestly worse than ilg

but other than that they all pretty fun

[balmy condor]

9.1 will be my CE

Cause uh

Time running out for current patch

[gloomy knoll]

1 more raid week

sheeeesh

[balmy condor]

We just hit p3

Prolly not happenin

[limber lion]

I mean just grind insane gear from m+ the first week of 9.1 and then kill Sire that week

[gloomy knoll]

can always do like

5 raid days

next week

[limber lion]

Nah

[balmy condor]

[limber lion]

The week after

[gloomy knoll]

[limber lion]

You can still get CE during first week of 9.1

I'm not meming

[gloomy knoll]

really?

[limber lion]

Yes

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

wtf lol

since when

[balmy condor]

I actually don’t believe you

At all

[west cove]

since forever

[limber lion]

That's how it has worked for previous patches

[gloomy knoll]

dafuq

[shy dust]

M8 you could get CE in BoD

[gloomy knoll]

[shy dust]

Using essences

[limber lion]

People doing essences

Yeh

[balmy condor]

What the fuck

[gloomy knoll]

LOL

that's actually just hilarious

[balmy condor]

It literally says in the achieve

BEFORE THE RELEASE

[limber lion]

"before the release of a new raid tier"

Raid releases the second week

[gloomy knoll]

so as long as it's before heroic

LOL

[balmy condor]

That’s

[gloomy knoll]

that's actually so wack

[balmy condor]

Super stupid

[limber lion]

Yeh

It's incredibly dunb

Dumb

[gloomy knoll]

i wouldn't even feel good about that lol

like if we used next tiers gear to beat it

no ty

[strange python]

so im reading this right....cloak for new lego slot....is this cuz the new socket system?

[gloomy knoll]

yes

[strange python]

havent been here in awhile

[gloomy knoll]

pretty much all rogue leggos gonna be on cloak / rings now

cuz of blizzard artificially creating problems so they can force play time and get us back in torghast

[strange python]

well thank god i have like 6-7k worth of ash lol

[west cove]

kek

[shrewd night]

Big proud. I believe in the whispyr stonks. 🚀

[balmy condor]

🚀

[gloomy knoll]

🚀 📈 🌙

[balmy condor]

Wow

Not even using my emotes

Smh

[gloomy knoll]

i don't have them lol

[balmy condor]

And now I’m not going to give them to you

Just to prove a point

[gloomy knoll]

lmao

[limber lion]

Get em, for the cheap price of $4.99

[balmy condor]

I’ll figure out what that point is

Eventually

[wise gull]

ive joined the necro gang

lets go

[shy dust]

M8

That is one of the biggest stretches

I’ve seen

[fallow otter]

Want carry? we 19manned this week so we could confirm we can sell next week

[balmy condor]

You think I have money?

I’m like 30k gold gamer

[shy dust]

Sell sim optimizations for gold

[fallow otter]

Geeezzz

[shrewd night]

I sold two tokens last night to ensure I got cash prepped for 9.1

[wise gull]

i'm a 47k gamer 🙂

[fallow otter]

Sell some keys or something

Wtf how do you guys have no money

[limber lion]

Can't wait to do heroic boosts in 9.1

[gloomy knoll]

what you mean? originally each domination gear piece had 3 sockets available so if 5 was the cap or if they made 3 the cap now this still wouldn't be an issue

[fallow otter]

We gamble 40k rolls during farm the whole time

And prog

[gloomy knoll]

they had so many ways to go about not forcing people to recraft leggos and not making leggos available on extra slots

they chose to do this

[wise gull]

once upon a time i had 2mil this expac

and i spent it all on consumes because i lived in heroic trying to parse

like an idiot

[shy dust]

We were already going to have to do Torghast much more in 9.1

[gloomy knoll]

[shy dust]

Even if they let people recraft their legos

[gloomy knoll]

yea for the new upgrades

[red burrow]

It just sucks they make a system you have to do the same thing again

[gloomy knoll]

but we wouldn't NEED old torghast for legendaries we already had

they artificially created this problem

for literally no reason

[wise gull]

also necro is hella fun

[shy dust]

Having to 5 star Torghast floors for sockets and conduits

[wise gull]

ive been missing out

[shy dust]

Is much more of shifting us to do more in Torghast

Than not letting us recraft legos

[limber lion]

We keep telling you boys that :')

[gloomy knoll]

i mean that too but i definitely think they chose to do this for a reason

when they could have easily not made this a problem at all

they want players in torghast more all around

especially since they're dropping new content for torghast

[limber lion]

I don't honestly think they put too much effort into thinking whether or not dom slots would conflict with legendaries

There's quite a few classes and legendaries to be had

[gloomy knoll]

i mean there's a super simple solution

put a cap on the bonuses from the gems

if 3 is the cap and u got 5 slots

boom no problem

if each piece had 2 gem slots and 5 was the cap

boom still no problem

[limber lion]

Changing slots on the runecarver would be a good solution as well, or getting a soul ash refund

[gloomy knoll]

that as well

[limber lion]

But it:s blizzard

[gloomy knoll]

there's SO MANY

solutions to this problem

other than forcing more game time

[limber lion]

They do dumb stuff pretty often

[gloomy knoll]

they chose this for a reason

[limber lion]

It's not really surprising

[fallow otter]

Do they have that bs still where we have to use different ranks to use more than 1dps shard? Plz tell me they fixed that

[gloomy knoll]

what do you mean

different ranks to use more than 1

?

[limber lion]

There's always something to be disappointed about

[gloomy knoll]

lol true

i'm not really mad about it torghast is w/e but

i just think it's a sheisty move

[limber lion]

Not sure yet.

[fallow otter]

You can only use 1 "dps" shard coz they are unique

[limber lion]

But pretty sure the unique thing is the intended mechanic

[fallow otter]

But you can use different ranks

[limber lion]

And stacking different ranks was not

[gloomy knoll]

yea

[fallow otter]

Yeh

[gloomy knoll]

i'm fairly certain stacking diff ranks is not intended

doesn't sound like something they'd do

[fallow otter]

Haha

You haven't been here long

You new?

[gloomy knoll]

lol

the new nadjia soulbind is every 90 seconds of combat right?

so it lines up with venth sin flag

even more reason to send it on cd

[limber lion]

Isn't it tied to Thrill Seeker?

So every 80s

[gloomy knoll]

it's after thrill

[limber lion]

I can't honestly remember, I'll care for it when we get sims

[gloomy knoll]

thrill is 80-90 and the crit thing is 90-100 i believe

[balmy condor]

Thinking you’re getting shit

I’ll pin 6.3 shadowcraft results

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

Watch me

[gloomy knoll]

shadowcraft

pls no

[limber lion]

Someone stop this mad lad

[fallow otter]

8.3 glory years

How many expedients do we get

ALL

AALLLLL THE EXPEDIENTS

[gloomy knoll]

bleed build sin is poggies

i'd be so down for that

honestly just give us

the ww leggo

when we pop vendetta we get 30% haste for the duration

[fallow otter]

Nothing to see here

Everything is normal

[limber lion]

Disgusting

[fallow otter]

Did you try it cev

Lol

[limber lion]

No, I never turned on outlaw specialization

So I never got the weapons

:-D

[west cove]

ct instead of envenom days

[limber lion]

I mean, we never actually used CT instead of Envenom

And funnily enough, it's working exactly like that currently

[barren bane]

sin best spec now?

[limber lion]

We just don't take CT as the st talent :p

[limber lion]

Sure.

For what?

Raid?

[barren bane]

raid and m+

[limber lion]

M+?

Probably worst m+ spec, probably best for raid

[fallow otter]

Gcd locked ct st mmmm I loved it

I know you did

[limber lion]

Gotta wait for sims

[limber lion]

Sure did.

[balmy condor]

Agree

[fallow otter]

Opener now compared to then

Hahaha

[barren bane]

should i change covenant now or wait? im kyrian atm

[balmy condor]

Should change your covenant half a year ago

[west cove]

kek

[barren bane]

yea i havent played since Jan

[balmy condor]

Yeh that’ll do it

[limber lion]

Honestly swap to Necro now, or Venthyr if you wanna dabble with Sub as well

Or do whatever you want.

Whatever floats your boat

Whatever makes your funny parts tingle

[barren bane]

ive always played sin but it was bad back in Jan so i quit the game altogether

[limber lion]

That's a #mood if I've ever seen one

[fallow otter]

I still don't get the playing sin not rogue thing

Cev whisp plz explains

[balmy condor]

I like sub

[fallow otter]

[balmy condor]

Why you laugh

[fallow otter]

You did jump in there actually

When we were bench spec

Cev what did you do

[limber lion]

I played Sub

I like Sub

[fallow otter]

Yeh we only got to enjoy that for a small window 🤦‍♂️

[barren bane]

so i switch to venthyr or necro?

[limber lion]

I mean, I did jump back to Sin in 9.0 after the second aura buff

It was fun fighting for parses with 16 players

[fallow otter]

Sub was already on the slide though

[balmy condor]

Both are fine, play what you prefer

[fallow otter]

Haha yeh I remember that

[balmy condor]

Necro if you want play outlaw

[barren bane]

@balmy condor ive not played for a while

[balmy condor]

Yeh

You mentioned that

[fallow otter]

Meanwhile I went to monk land

[barren bane]

so i will go venthyr then i like vampires

[limber lion]

Have fun

[balmy condor]

Yep that’s fine

[fallow otter]

Fighting the urge to troll ngl

[barren bane]

oh forgot u have to farm renowns again

[fallow otter]

Yep that's true but it doesn't take long, just need to play the game doing the usual stuff you enjoy

[limber lion]

It's not too bad honestly

[barren bane]

thx guys\

[limber lion]

Just save the weeklies and the campaign last

[fallow otter]

You can look at buying gear that costs anima then sell it back once you swap

[balmy condor]

I’m actually crying though?

[fallow otter]

Assuming it still works

[balmy condor]

Like it hurts me?

[limber lion]

[fallow otter]

Are you just a baby renown boi rn?

Im gonna guess

24 renown

[balmy condor]

40

[fallow otter]

I was decieved

Wait, have you swapped yet

[limber lion]

Swapped to what

We're stinkyboys

[fallow otter]

Oic

My rogue is still atreehugger

Coz lazy

[limber lion]

Yuk

[balmy condor]

I’m 40 venth as well

[dawn ivy]

NF

[limber lion]

Imagine not being 40 on all 3 covenants.

[balmy condor]

You realize that I’m not just a simbot on discord 24/7 right

[fallow otter]

Yeh well i log on for mythic farm night then log off for the rest of the week

Coz

Bored

[limber lion]

Dw, plenty of things to farm in 9.1

[fallow otter]

Yeh

Ill start then

Honestly if I knew some than today that necro is better than venth now I would have swapped

Cbf vampire boi

[limber lion]

Renown grind takes like 2 days, it's not too bad.

You can do it now

Gets you something to do

if you're so bored anyways

[willow eagle]

It's especially easy if you haven't swapped covenants yet

first swap is very convenient

[limber lion]

Yeppers

[fallow otter]

Yeh

I might do

[stark ravine]

i feel like im stuck on like renown 28 but already did the campaign. Is m+ my best bet then if i dont want to pvp?

[hazy crater]

m+ and raid on all difficulties basically

[stark ravine]

is +2's as effective as +15's f.e. or does the higher key increase the chance for renown?

[limber lion]

Higher key does increase the chance to get renown, yes.

[hazy crater]

I don't think that data has ever been revealed but it feels like it yeah

[limber lion]

Unfortunately it slows down quite a bit after a while

[stark ravine]

yeah noticed, was getting easy renown from 0's, not anymore tho 😦

[limber lion]

Yeah, that's why people usually get their renown to like 22-23 before doing the campaign

But, oh well, what is done is done.

But you'll get to 31+ next week if you just do the raids on all difficulties

no biggie.

[stark ravine]

yeah shame, thank you!

[limber lion]

[outer kernel]

so necro it is? ^^

[dawn ivy]

for most

[limber lion]

[outer kernel]

and doomblade on cloak?

[limber lion]

Yes.

The slot becomes available with 9.1.

[outer kernel]

yeye i know

[dawn ivy]

that reminds me i gotta go buy a 235 cape

cheaper now than when 9.1 drops

[outer kernel]

on cloak cause hands dropping in raid on last bosses?

[dawn ivy]

hands for domination sockets

[outer kernel]

ahh ye the new thing

completly forgot about that xD

thx 🙂

[dawn ivy]

couple of systems to get used to haha

[limber lion]

Yup :p

[torn atlas]

Is this due to the Sub buffs? Or has Sin always been worst M+ and I'm just garbo at playing Sub?

[limber lion]

Yes, sub is getting giga buffs for 9.1

Sin is doing good currently

It's lagging slightly behind Outlaw on some dungeons.

[outer kernel]

so when i want play assa i go necro and as necro i can got m+ as outlaw

so one covenant for these 2 speccs

sub is venthyr but who cares about sub xD

[limber lion]

Yes! Necro is great for both

[limber lion]

Sub is honestly looking great for 9.1

But if you don't enjoy it, then no need to play it :p

[vestal wren]

sub is in a good spot

if you like the spec, you can play it but if you don't you can just default/stay sin

[outer kernel]

they said sub will be awesome in sl and what happend? XD

completly trash

[limber lion]

It was overtuned in ptr because of bugs and whatnot

[outer kernel]

just for arena

[limber lion]

But now it's actually looking good

Without any bugs or funny business

[vestal wren]

who did say that, sub was supposed to be only mediocre in sl

[outer kernel]

ye lets see 😄

[vestal wren]

and then turned out to be exactly that

and later did fall off because, suprise suprise, if you buff everything thats worse than sub it suddenly becomes one of the weakest specs in the game

[limber lion]

He was probably referring to ptr sub with dd, busted akaari and wm

[vestal wren]

yes

[gloomy steppe]

I already switched from kyrian to venthyr and now wanna change it to necro. Do I have to wait till the next week to do so?

[vestal wren]

sub was massively overhyped in beta

[limber lion]

It was busted, but release sub was kinda meh

[limber lion]

No! You can instantly swap to a new, fresh covenant

[vestal wren]

but also if you fallowed the discord, people including me did point out that those bugs/tuning issues won't stay

[limber lion]

We all knew they weren't staying lol.

[gloomy steppe]

Nice. So I get a penalty only if I'm switching to covenant I've been before, right?

[vestal wren]

i mean i get it having a legendary that gives you a 60% relative damage increase is fun (for a short while)

[limber lion]

Yes, pretty much

[vestal wren]

but expecting blizz to keep that is well.. not very smart

[limber lion]

I don't think Kevin is here anymore.

[gloomy steppe]

thanks

[teal bluff]

Ok I have a sin rogue question. I'm confused as to how many targets to keep my ruptures and garrotes on in m+. Like if the tank pulls 20+ mobs do I rupture/garrtoe all of them or is there like an optimal number of targets to drop bleeds on?

[upper elm]

So for Raiding sub is viable y? On par with assa?

[vestal wren]

covenant progression is covenant specific, if you switch back you gain back your porgress

[vestal wren]

both

in 9.1

[limber lion]

Yes, you maintain CT at all times, SnD with Envenom and other than that you just apply bleeda to everything

As long as they live most of the duration

[gloomy steppe]

Yeah, I get that. But I heard you have to fill bar to 100% and wait till next week to switch back to covenant you have been before

[limber lion]

There is no set number for how many bleeds you want

You want all the bleeds

[teal bluff]

Ahh ok ty @limber lion what do I do if let's say it's a low key and stuff dies fast?

[limber lion]

This is correct, yoy have to wait 2 resets to swap back.

[limber lion]

Play the NS/MFD/CT build with the MA legendary

It's more burst and less sustain damage

Better for lower keys

[teal bluff]

Tyvm

[limber lion]

Pleasure

[teal bluff]

One last question actually I forgot to ask, do I shiv in aoe or is it not worth?

[limber lion]

Yes you do

You just slam it, but continue applying bleeds as normal

You do not stick to the target for the 9s

Unless if there's like 2 targets left ofc

[teal bluff]

Yeah that makes sense, thanks again!

[limber lion]

[misty zenith]

Finally a date for 9.1

Ill start the change to necro from venthyr

Should be doable in the allotted time

[strange python]

Hey guys, so i'm preparing to play my rogue again for the coming patch (went mage for 9.0.5)
I'm in a semi hardcore raiding guild, so i wanted to ask - What covenant would be "BiS" for raiding? I switched from Venthyr to Necro but seeing that most bosses in the new raid are ST bosses I'm not sure if i made the right decision 😛
Also is Doomblade (on the cloak) going to be better than the covenant specific legendary?
Sorry if this has been already asked, i just joined the channel 😄

[sacred isle]

Pins is a good place to start

[misty zenith]

Kinda sucks you have to re-craft Doomblade

[strange python]

yeah, i guess you don't really have to hurry though since it would take some time to get the new gems anyway

[teal bloom]

Rank 4 cloaks are cheap and soul ash is easy to get in 9.1 so it's not bad

[strange python]

or gem slots - but then again i don't know how fast you could obtain them

[limber lion]

Kinda, but it's not too bad honestly.

You can farm soul ash infinitely

[red burrow]

It seems to me that necro is also better ST atm for raiding. So I think you are fine.

[drifting cloud]

its not

[limber lion]

No

[teal bluff]

I plan on raiding as sin and m+ as outlaw I just crafted celerity, I was wondering what's the bis sin leggo and which slot do I craft it on?

[limber lion]

Venthyr is still beating Necro in st

[limber lion]

Doomblade, cloak

The pins have a lot of great info.

[red burrow]

But with atleast 1 add necro isbetter?

[limber lion]

Yes

[red burrow]

Right thanks:)

[limber lion]

Np :)

[tame ravine]

Are the sims in the pins still accurate?

[limber lion]

No they are not.

We're still in the process of updating them.

It's a safe bet waiting for 9.1 to release for the actual sims.

There's still a lot of stuff missing from the simc implementation or just bugged in-game.

[tame ravine]

Fair enough, will hold off on making any big decisions.

[limber lion]

Necrolord is looking like the safe bet with Doomblade on cloak slot.

But yeah, it's better to just wait

There's no rush.

[tame ravine]

Can always make another rogue, have one be venthyr and one be necro. That’d be so much fun /s

[limber lion]

You honestly don't need a Venthyr rogue.

Very, very unlikely that it will pull ahead.

Anything is possible, but eh

[tame ravine]

Oh interesting

I thought Venthyr was still ahead for pure ST?

[limber lion]

It is, but very slightly

like less than 100 dps

Likely even less than in 9.0.5 because of the change to SBS benefitting from crit.

[tame ravine]

Ahh, okay

[desert rain]

Isn't sub venthyr even better than assa venthyr for pure ST?

[limber lion]

Yes it is!

[desert rain]

That's crazy

[limber lion]

It's also a lot harder to play

[desert rain]

Did they get buff on ST besides shadow tech?

Or is it the new leggo and tree

[limber lion]

Yes, backstab buff as well and the new covenant legendary just doing work

Obedience is kinda nuts for Sub.

[desert rain]

Sub #1 ST inc

[limber lion]

Would be pretty interesting to see.

But we'll most likely still see SP pumping the charts.

But who knows

[solid venture]

dw sub will get nerfed into the ground again after 1 week

[strange python]

i'd love for assa to be the best raid spec though 😄 seems to be more fun, but that's just my opinion

[limber lion]

It usually is

Even with Sub winning in ST, it suffers quite a bit from downtime, especially in 9.1

We'll probably still see Assa as the dominant spec in the raid, no worries there mate. :p

[primal zodiac]

i disliked sub since legion, but man HFC sub was such a blast

so assa raidspec is a yes please for me

[tame ravine]

Assa is very satisfying

[limber lion]

Yeah, it's pretty rare for assa to perform bad in a raid scenario

We're usually tuned pretty well and we're just a very good melee spec to bring.

But, we are still prone to balancing like we saw in 9.0

If we don't have the numbers, we won't see play. Of course.

[shut garnet]

ppl r saying it might get nerf batted

cuz of how much dam assa does rn

[limber lion]

People are always saying dumb stuff

[shut garnet]

kek

[limber lion]

Assa doesn't do mega damage though

It's great, but it's not exactly broken or busted

[shut garnet]

well it does about the same as spriest and spriest got nerfed right? or will get nerfed

[primal zodiac]

how are we looking ignoring dps numbers, better than nathria or about the same

[limber lion]

S priest is till ahead

Even after the nerfs

[limber lion]

About the same, gotta wait for sims.

[primal zodiac]

nah i meant utility wise

[zealous marsh]

btw do cloak removes fatal finesse?

[primal zodiac]

havent done too much research for the new raid

[limber lion]

Ah yeah

Nothing new in that department

No smoke bombs or anything

[zealous marsh]

or i can just cloak and move forward

[tame ravine]

Yet ;)

[primal zodiac]

since our RL is friends with a top 150 guild that does the work for us basicly ^^

[limber lion]

Fair enough

[limber lion]

No it does not, it defends you from the damage it does though

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[primal zodiac]

they have a google doc for every raid, if theres interest i could try translate it. for the non progress people here ofc

[limber lion]

Google doc for every raid?

As in the new raids as well

Or?

[primal zodiac]

with tactics and stuff i think

ah and clips with hightlighted mechanics

it'll be the first time i see it but thats what ive been told

[zealous marsh]

oh shiet

i didn't know massacre can kill me on p3 even on cloak

you learn things every day

so few times i didn't die was actually luck

[strange python]

massacre is a bleed though, cloak shouldn't do anything against it right?

[limber lion]

Yeh, cloak doesn't do much in p3.

[limber lion]

It's not the bleed that's the problem

It has a instant damage portion

That will one-shot you in p3.

[strange python]

oh forget what i said then

[limber lion]

And during P3, it turns to physical

You can cloak it in p2, but not p3

[umbral rapids]

Because why not

[zealous marsh]

imagine it being shadow dmg like in p2

[limber lion]

Would make p3 overlap too easy

[tulip nacelle]

It's not actually physical is it? cloak just doesn't work, but bop deosn't either

[nimble tartan]

the bleed applied after is why bop doesn’t

[zealous marsh]

well i've just made a mistake being pushed out by him then i thought i will use cloak to leave finesse for casters fasters while remornia was flying left and right not knowing it is now physical

then i was killed it was too late wipe gg

[limber lion]

Shit happens.

You'll know next time :p

[desert rain]

Does anyone have informations about the encounters profile in SoD?

[limber lion]

What do you mean?

You can find all of the encounters in WoWhead and the dungeon journal in ptr

[desert rain]

Oh nice thx

[azure bronze]

You could try this https://mythictrap.com/sanctumOfDomination/tarragrue

[desert rain]

That's so good

[strange python]

does this discord have a spreadheet with legendaries and their available slots for 9.1 ?

[frosty bridge]

Doomblade on Cloak for 9.1 hmhm

Is upgrading Zoldyck first worth it perhaps for early prog?

[limber lion]

No

[maiden cliff]

hey all, so this is most likely the most asked question but whats the way to go covenant wise ven vs nerco? whats the reason for the answer too? if there is already a guide around this please direct me to it.

[limber lion]

We still use Doomblade even early on

[limber lion]

[frosty bridge]

Yeah, sounds about right

"Luckily" cloak can't be socketed

[limber lion]

Not really, but you can just log into ptr and check em out yourself.

It's pretty much the same slots, but we get an extra one for Doomblade.

[frosty bridge]

Considering some classes are now crafting r1 legendaries only to socket them ahead for 9.1

[cobalt hemlock]

will you switch covenants to necrolord in 9.1 ?

[limber lion]

What if I've been Necrolord for several months now?

[rustic whale]

nothing wrong with necro @cobalt hemlock you are more tankier & SBS is a pretty good thing to have. Vent not bad but bad combo generation during the Flag is like flipside of tossing coin

[frosty bridge]

Nothing wrong is an understatement

NECROLORD RULES

[ornate raptor]

I like venthyr but thats just me👀

[cobalt hemlock]

i really need to go massive dick on raiding in 9.1

and i cant decide which one to go (stay with ventyhr - join necro from scratch)

[frosty bridge]

Necrolord then

Many fights have some adds and stuff, Venthyr is easier to play and slightly ahead on pure ST. Necrolord is more fun and only slightlyyyyy behind on pure ST and beats Venthyr in everything else

Not to mention, it pumps in M+ too

[limber lion]

That's perfectly fine! Have fun with whichever covenant you want boss.

[limber lion]

Highly recommend necro tbh

But that's for you to decide

[cobalt hemlock]

im the most indecisive person in the world

this is not good for me

[copper sundial]

get both to 40 then switch as needed

[cobalt hemlock]

so if you go necrolord you craft the new serated bone spike legendary for m+ and use doomblade in raids?

[limber lion]

We're not sure yet if we use Zoldyck or the SBS legendary

But Doomblade on cloak is a safe bet for sure.

[strange python]

Dumb question but i can farm as much torgast as i want in 9.1 so it doesnt matter what to craft and when correct or is there a cap on how much i can get per week just bigger from 9.0?

[limber lion]

Yes, you can infinitely farm it in 9.1.

You can use your soul ash how you'd like now

You'll get it at reduced rates however

So it's recommended to save some soul ash for 9.1 so you don't have to grind it a hundred times.

[strange python]

Thing is i quited at february so i kinda crafted like 1 235 and 2 210s only need to grind it anyway

[frosty bridge]

If you play Outlaw, make the 2 ring legendaries and socket them perhaps so you save yourself from that grind in 9.1

[grim hornet]

Do we know if the effect from Sylvanas' dagger is worth losing the stats?

[frosty bridge]

It's not

The daggers suck at the moment

Pins for more detail

[grim hornet]

oh, its there, mb

will have to sim the ilvl increase tho

[limber lion]

Nope

It's currently looking like it's not worth using in mh

maybe off-hand for the effect.

[dawn ivy]

the main hand dps alone doesnt beat the secondary loss? holy shit

[hollow river]

I believe in its current iteration it’s debatable whether it will be used at all.

[limber lion]

That's correct.

It's really, really bad.

[shrewd night]

considering ull be wearing heroic version for prog, its definitely not worth

[limber lion]

Just gotta wait for the sim-wizards

[grim hornet]

maybe it will have a use as oh on outlaw

[dawn ivy]

guess ill delete my shit information then

[grim hornet]

but again, wait for sims

[dawn ivy]

jesus i didnt know it was that bad yet

[shrewd night]

I mean, it was a legitimate question

[limber lion]

I think Poxstorm still takes that cake.

But yeah, we're chillin'

[frosty bridge]

Outlaw will probably be the the new Agility 1H + Pox

But who knows

[sick scarab]

@limber lion k then study a setup for the only night fae assa rogue in the shadowlands 🙂 LOOL

[limber lion]

Yeah, maybe.

[limber lion]

[sick scarab]

i cant leave my queen LOL

(i like sepsis playstile i hope in last day super tuning conduits OP loool)ù

[dawn ivy]

[grim hornet]

i had 0 poxstorm for the whole patch from gv, 1 poxstorm droped from m+ like 1 week ago... no phial either from gv or m+...

for me those pieces just don't exist

[hollow river]

Besides possibly using it on progression where execute is important.

[sick scarab]

and also farming anima again .. i prefer to cut my balls

[limber lion]

Doubt it honestly.

[frosty bridge]

Relatable, I didn't get a single Weapon token since the expansion dropped, not vault and not directly from bosses

[limber lion]

[frosty bridge]

Using 220 Mists daggers i upgraded with valor lmfao

[limber lion]

I upgraded my 220 weapon to 226 3 weeks ago.

[strong lichen]

lol I feel that. I never got either on my monk. Switched to my rogue and got Phial and Pox on the first week - rerolling was meant to be

[limber lion]

And I've killed Sire almost 3 months ago now.

[frosty bridge]

I hope Blizzard tunes our RNG then for 9.1 lel

[limber lion]

And killed it several times since, done m+ every week and 2-3 boxes every week

[frosty bridge]

We are saving those RNG points for 9.1

[grim hornet]

i farmed 2100 on rbg to have weapons, then like 2 months later i got the haste/vers axe from gv but just that one

[limber lion]

[drowsy parcel]

sepsis has no playstyle

most boring shit

[limber lion]

In your opinion

Some people enjoy it.

[frosty bridge]

That's like

Your opinion man

[grim hornet]

tbh i liked a lot to be nf. necro is fun but soulbinds were so much fun for nf

[frosty bridge]

it's also my opinion, but let the king enjoy his faes

[drowsy parcel]

i guess

[grim hornet]

sniping adds on council for the first strikes buff was so much fun

[drowsy parcel]

i despise my night fae days tho

[dawn ivy]

sepsis has the coolest theme, being able to jump back into stealth for a brief moment, it just doesnt have much in terms of actual throughput

[drowsy parcel]

soulshape only good thing about night fae

[kind quiver]

I honestly hate the necro area and aesthetic.

[limber lion]

I enjoyed them quite a bit

[frosty bridge]

Night Fae sub rogue days?

[limber lion]

Getting the bonk in the MA window was pretty satisfying

[spice spire]

I’m not a huge fan but sbs so good

[frosty bridge]

Or did you play Sin even when it sucked

[limber lion]

Don't play it!

[kind quiver]

I don’t.

[limber lion]

I played Sub first then switched to sin after they got their second aura buff

in 9.0

[frosty bridge]

Think most people did so

[limber lion]

Maintaining it is another thing that some people enjoy and some people despise.

Each to their own :p

[frosty bridge]

Darkest days for Rogues

[limber lion]

Definitely not

I was one of the few playing sin in 9.0

[frosty bridge]

Ah, there was a third buff?

[dawn ivy]

there were many haha

[limber lion]

3rd and then the entire 9.0.5 buff

[dawn ivy]

a 5, a 7, a 8,

[limber lion]

with necro/venthyr buff and remakes

doomblade buff

[kind quiver]

SBS is good, but I just can’t. I’m sticking with venthyr for the set. I’m still in love with the fae as well.

[frosty bridge]

Yeah mb, forgot about that being 9.0.5

[limber lion]

fixing envenom pandemic bugs

etc.

[frosty bridge]

Thats when most people switched then

[drowsy parcel]

i was sin for our first sludge kill for some reason

in 9.0

sub for mostly everything else

[limber lion]

This was our Sludge kill

19 huge assa gamers

[ornate lake]

The days when we had to use SnD all the time

[frosty bridge]

LMFAO

[limber lion]

My man.

[frosty bridge]

My first SLG kill was 11 parse, 2nd was 97 already

Raid leader yelling at me to cancel blade flurry

[drowsy parcel]

mine had 5 parses

5 gamers

[limber lion]

mega.

[shrewd night]

did you soak on the 11 parse or what happened

[quasi ledge]

I was Sin the entire time. Felt shit doing no damage, but then it felt good getting like 4 buffs :p

[frosty bridge]

I was on vacation playing from a laptop and a small mouse with 20 FPS xD

It was borderline unplayable

[wise gull]

my slg parse is a 24 because my WA died and my poisons ran out

[willow eagle]

Melee soaking on slg is painful

[wise gull]

[limber lion]

I've never had to soak on slg

[limber lion]

[shrewd night]

My stance is ready. Fuck ranged, bench me if you want me to soak.

[willow eagle]

I had to soak because we lacked one ranged

[limber lion]

Imagine not spamming your apply-poison keybind between pulls

[willow eagle]

And they gave me a soak on the edge of the balcony

[wise gull]

ive always trusted my weakaura

[willow eagle]

So my p3 experience was

[wise gull]

this time i was wrong

i know better now

[willow eagle]

Move through the entire area to soak

[frosty bridge]

If you never knocked someone from the platform on SLG, did you really kill it?

[wise gull]

also the bad news

my guild is never killing SLG again

that stain is

on my record

forever

[limber lion]

I do it between every pull

because it's a habit of mine

and I know a lot of sin rogues share it

and people like mages spamming arcane intellect

[wise gull]

if only i did the same

i wouldnt have

a gray parse

[limber lion]

Just get into the habit

and you'll get used to it :P

[wise gull]

i also have one last chance to orange parse sire

94 inc

[frigid kestrel]

Ye it’s a great habit, I had a big trend of not having on poisons during raid prog or in keys because I didn’t pay attention to the timer of my poisons

[hollow river]

That’s gotta feel terrible

[limber lion]

Yeh, losing poisons is very mega giga ultra bad

don't do that

[hollow river]

Yeah ik

I was sub/outlaw when I started playing wow in SL

When sim got buffs I went to hit a dummie without poisons and did 2k dps

“This spec still sucks”

[grim hornet]

xDDDD

[wise gull]

that's like, the second time it's happened all tier

it's the only time my weakaura has broken

but ya, ill just get in the habit

it was on reclear not prog btw

[hollow river]

The other specs gain energy like nobodies business

Sin relies on VW heavily lol

[wise gull]

actually cursed

this image will haunt me forever

[limber lion]

It's not too bad

it's fine next tier

you'll be pumpin

I have a similar case with Artificer though, can't get a good one on that

[wise gull]

every artificer wipe = no mechanics

every artificer kill = every mechanic

[shrewd night]

truuuu

I knew this week was busted when I got double ghosts

[desert inlet]

can you tell which fight I died on?

[wise gull]

lmfao

ok but

here's the thing

i didn't die

LOL

[desert inlet]

oh no

[limber lion]

nice flex br0

[desert inlet]

im da bes

it was opening week heroic lol

[limber lion]

do I hear heroic logs?

[shrewd night]

H e r i c

[limber lion]

[desert inlet]

[limber lion]

any heroic boys

[hazy crater]

only 99,1. cant follow that

[wise gull]

i get

98s only

[desert inlet]

there's a 99 you liar

[wise gull]

ive been exposed

[shrewd night]

there is a 97 too

[wise gull]

i need a new tier to try and heroic log

[desert inlet]

real gamers log their lfr

[limber lion]

With Theotar dead it's pretty tough to get logs tbh

[zealous marsh]

[dark crag]

Give me 233 dagger and a raidteam that is not braindead

[limber lion]

Trying to fight for the spots against the theotar boys

not happening

[wise gull]

i always log my lfr for meme

who wants to laugh at me for my kill counts

i uhhh

got a little obsesssed

[desert inlet]

that is many lfr's

[wise gull]

i wish it was lfr

that'd be impressive

[limber lion]

Not even all 99's

my boy

stop slacking

get back in there

[wise gull]

pugging

last bosses

is

pain

even now

[limber lion]

You know what you can do

You can buy a curve-boost for the last 2 bosses

and log with them

ez

[wise gull]

[shrewd night]

That sounds scuffed

"Hey bois, can I tag along and just blast?"

[limber lion]

There's actually quite a few people who buy a boost and just play along

Just to boost logs

[shrewd night]

"Nono, Im not paying for the boost. Im paying for the PI and WFT"

[limber lion]

[wise gull]

trying to parse SLG in pugs was