assassination

[nimble tartan]

yess

[limber lion]

Before you get the refund

[nimble tartan]

that was my next question

perfect

[limber lion]

[pulsar sluice]

Fuuuuuck

I gotta level necro to 40 man

[limber lion]

It takes 1-2 days

[pulsar sluice]

Ived played every cov at this point to 40

[dawn ivy]

super easy

[limber lion]

It's not too bad.

[pulsar sluice]

Yeah but I don't wanna go thru it again

[limber lion]

That's fair.

The campaign is pretty miserable, ngl.

[empty crescent]

This is probably a stupid question, but im debating going to necro, is there any chance it gets nerf'd now between mythic week?

[limber lion]

Anything is possible.

[empty crescent]

are rogues on PTR just busted?

[limber lion]

I doubt it'll see nerfs though, honestly.

It's not exactly a super broken covenant.

More likely we would see buffs to the worse covenants if something.

But who knows, Blizzard works in funny ways

[limber lion]

No, definitely not.

[empty crescent]

i just feel if i swap necro, then either another cov gets buffed or necro gets nerf'd, but i havent seen the logs of how rogues are doing in PTR

[limber lion]

I doubt we'll see any meaningful change regarding our covenants honestly.

[warm parcel]

if you really care bout covenants

get them all to 40

if not

[limber lion]

But the patch is still 2 weeks away and the renown catchup is really quick.

[warm parcel]

just wait and see whats fotm

[vestal wren]

venthyr and necro are hot atm

you can't go wrong with those 2

[empty crescent]

yeah im venth rn, just seeing as necro might be bis for next tier was debating swapping

[round rover]

I've got both at 40, haven't bothered with the remaining 2 and I won't. Doubt I won't be playing either venthyr or necro next tier.

[balmy condor]

necro seems giga safe

[warm parcel]

get necro to 40

do q to swap ven

just dont return it

[spice spire]

Ur GIGA safe, whispyr

[balmy condor]

my simc won't build

[empty crescent]

you saying just fill up the bar or whatever? and just hold on to it

[balmy condor]

[supple panther]

So with 9.1 coming. Are we building a new lego?

or nah

[limber lion]

Yes, but you need to do it twice

So you return the first quest, then complete the second quest but don't return it.

[warm parcel]

yus

[empty crescent]

a pin answers this

[limber lion]

God-tier pins.

[supple panther]

👍

Didn't realize we got one for 9.1 already lol

[spice spire]

God tier rogues making it happen

[limber lion]

It's a must after getting a release date for a new patch

A lot of people flocking in asking about sims, bis covenants, legendary etc.

Loads hopping on the sin-train as well

[supple panther]

Glad i've renounced my ranged ways

[spice spire]

Based

[supple panther]

if my guild lets me 😦

[limber lion]

Just be a mega blaster

Prove your worth

[amber coyote]

im planning to swap to rogue this 9.1 do u guys think i can get 2 nenoun 40 before 9.1 ?

[supple panther]

We've already got ~19028319273 melee rofl

[spice spire]

Yes

[spice spire]

How many blasters though

[limber lion]

You can do that in 2 days.

[amber coyote]

ty

ima start grinding

[limber lion]

Just bring all of those in the raid at once and you'll down the bosses in an instant.

[limber lion]

Do the raid first on all difficulties, and only then the callings/campaign/weeklies

[pale fossil]

M+ is worth a shout too.

[dull cloak]

any sim related questions now is like asking if Sin will be good in 9.0 week 1

[spice spire]

They actually knew that answer though

It was absolutely dog shit

[limber lion]

Never did a single m+ for renown personally.

[spice spire]

Lmao

[dull cloak]

look at sin now tho

[spice spire]

Like eye tested that it was horrendously under tuned

5 buffs we sc*le boys

[normal crater]

Would we not want Zoldyck on boots now with KT dropping higher ilvl pants, assuming you can access said britches?

[pale fossil]

Anecdotally the drop rate wasn't terrible.

And you get your weekly M+ done.

[limber lion]

Yeah it's a great choice for sure, I just didn't have any need

Got to like 23+ renown from the raids only

Finishign the campaign gets it to 31+

[pale fossil]

It's nice to be able to align farming renown with farming Valor, should you need it.

[spice spire]

Sure! However, Pants are better for a majority of people that don’t make it to mythic KT

And iirc Dom sockets on boots

[limber lion]

No

[brave steeple]

You should make zoldyck on pants

[royal lantern]

bruh, im at renown 13 and finished 6bosses with no drop

[limber lion]

yes

[brave steeple]

domination socket on boots

[limber lion]

Boots have dom sockets

[spice spire]

Yeah I remembered the last bit after

[limber lion]

Zold on legs, always.

[royal lantern]

my legendary bad luck getting a nat20 again

[spice spire]

[normal crater]

We can’t put dom sockets on leggos then I’m assuming?

[pliant apex]

i read the pins, if im NF, it wont be the worst idea to switch to venthyr right?

[spice spire]

Correct

[pliant apex]

and venthyr isnt going to be the worst right?

ty

[spice spire]

Double correct

[normal crater]

I already have 2 rogues with 235 Zoldyck legs

[pliant apex]

ty again

[limber lion]

Yes, as long as you don't go Kyrian.

Necrolord still being the best.

[normal crater]

Just checking my self

[spice spire]

Necro is best seeming but if venthyr works better for you you got it

[limber lion]

No.

[pliant apex]

you wouldnt suggest saying nf best overall with recent developments right cev?

[limber lion]

Not yet at least, who knows what Blizzard comes up with.

[limber lion]

Honestly, Necrolord is the better choice nowadays and even more in 9.1.

[normal crater]

Thanks @limber lion

[limber lion]

After getting plenty of nerfs and seeing new simulationcraft implementations

[pliant apex]

oh i see, but bad aesthetic, its demonic and shit

[limber lion]

No worries mate!

[limber lion]

Yeh for sure, it's not for everyone.

[teal bloom]

More undead than demonic

[pliant apex]

hehe nice name, can i get a puffpuff lol

[normal crater]

We share the love in here man, of course!

[pliant apex]

good to see a fellow dq fan 😄

and ty lol

[cyan dew]

What's the soulbind for raid for necro?

[spice spire]

Heirmir/gemstones

[cyan dew]

Ty!

[spice spire]

No problem

[dull scarab]

anyone have a good weakaura with pandemic refresh text color changes? Or link me to one? Thanks

[limber lion]

Sure thing, here:

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[limber lion]

I use Afenar's personally

[dull scarab]

thanks

[orchid prism]

does evasion do anything on sludge

[limber lion]

No.

[orchid prism]

ty

[limber lion]

[balmy condor]

!pd

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[balmy condor]

no

!def

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Defensives usability: http://tiny.cc/q602uz

[balmy condor]

that one

[limber lion]

This is a nutty command as well, gotta give it to ya

[pale fossil]

!commands

[warm parcel]

While it is nie I can still see some folks not understanding how rupture work with cps

[limber lion]

It's !help

[limber lion]

Yeah, wouldn't be surprised.

[warm parcel]

Occasionally one may assume 1cp into 5 cp is same as 5 into 1

[dawn ivy]

so how hard is IQD hit? i havent seen any numbers

[limber lion]

Throw a dart at a board.

[dawn ivy]

ah 74%

unfortunate

[limber lion]

Unlucky.

[warm parcel]

bout tree fiddy

[warm plover]

How do I sim races?

[warm parcel]

in advanced mostly

[limber lion]

Using advanced sims.

Just paste your profile in, then type this below it:
copy="name"
race="race"

Change the "name" to whatever you want and the "race" to whatever race you want

I'd suggest just putting the race on both slots, so:
copy=troll
race=troll

[warm plover]

ty

[hollow river]

Iqd hit?

[novel lily]

so switching from Venthyr to NL, how much more difficult is the rotation change gonna be?

[balmy condor]

not very

[hollow river]

Was iqd nerfed or something?

[limber lion]

No, nothing has happened to IQD.

[hollow river]

Ah ok didn’t know what he meant earlier

[limber lion]

Just meming around probably

That's why the meme answers.

[hollow river]

.>

[spice spire]

Imagine memeing on announcement day

[hollow river]

Do you guys think 9.1 will be playable on reset date?

[hollow river]

I mean honestly

Pfft

[limber lion]

Yes, we'll probably have maintenance before the reset.

[hollow river]

Thinking of taking a couple days off work to grind catch up gear

Kk I’ve heard some people say game was unplayable for first reset day on almost every patch day in past couple years

[drifting cloud]

is there catchup gear the first week?

isnt it the week where nothing new happens except the dailies and stuff

[hollow river]

M+ and normal raid?

And korthia has catch up gear

[drifting cloud]

theres no raid and m+ is still old season

[meager iron]

so why are we making doomblade for our back? is there a crit haste hand piece from last boss?

[hollow river]

Domination socket gear

[limber lion]

No, because we have domination sockets on other slots.

[meager iron]

0.0

[hollow river]

Well korthia currency can buy 233 gear

[meager iron]

what pieces of gear do u put sockets on besides hands

[drifting cloud]

233? doubt that farmable fast

[hollow river]

Every main slot besides legs I think

And wrist

[hollow river]

We shall see

[drifting cloud]

I mean based on last 2 xpacs

thats not how it usually works

[hollow river]

And new dungeon drops 226

[drifting cloud]

yeah but thats a weekly lockout where youll get 1-2 drops on average

unless its gear thats way too good for its ilvl its mostly useless a week later

[hollow river]

You can still run it on all your characters

And possibly funnel loot as well

[novel lily]

any good good video guides on ass rogue? i need a refresher

[limber lion]

JustRuss has a decent guide, but a lot of things are changing with 9.1.

Video guides get outdated pretty quickly, so we don't really recommend them too often.

You're better off reading the written guides or asking here.

[tidal gorge]

Crap, I only have 18k soul ash. I'll never be able to do the right legendary in time

[limber lion]

His video guide is a good starting point if you just need a refresher :p

[novel lily]

ok, just need a direction for AoEing dungeon packs effectively again

[limber lion]

[drifting cloud]

flexing a useless currency

[limber lion]

I can help you out with that if you'd like

[tidal gorge]

I'm not flexing, I'm being sarcastic 😛 There's a difference

[limber lion]

@novel lily
So you want to play EP/Subterfuge/Vigor/Alacrity/CT in M+ with the Zoldyck legendary.

You open on the very first pack of the dungeon like this:
Garrote - Garrote - Garrote - SnD - Garrote - FoK (to 4-5) - CT - FoK (to 4-5) - Rup

You keep applying ruptures to everything around you;
keeping garrote on cooldown;
maintaining CT's bleed and not spamming it;
using Envenom to maintain Slice and Dice;
slamming cds (vendetta, shiv, vanish) on cooldown if not saving for a boss/pride.

You try to maintain SnD throughout the entire dungeon with Envenoms and using the leftover combo points from packs.

Here's the rotation whilst having SnD already up:
Gar - Gar - Gar - Gar - CT - FoK (to 4-5) - Rup

following the same, previously mentioned, principles again.

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor how do you sim for pi

tyrna see how much it's worth based on varying fight lengths

[limber lion]

Add this under your simc paste in advanced sim:
external_buffs.power_infusion=5/125/245

[gloomy knoll]

ty

[limber lion]

And just switch the numbers to whatever timings you want

[gloomy knoll]

[limber lion]

PI has a 2 min cd.

So, just keep that in mind.

[strange python]

@limber lion outta curiosity, what spec do you think will be better ST for 9.1 assass or sub? or still cant tell yet?

[limber lion]

Assassination.

[strange python]

pog

ty

[limber lion]

Oh sorry

ST

Sub

[strange python]

yessir

oh

wow

[limber lion]

Sub will definitely be the better choice for ST.

[gloomy knoll]

sub is currently ~100-150 better in pure ST

[limber lion]

It loses in every other situation

[gloomy knoll]

just including t26 profiles alone

[strange python]

damnnnnnnnnnn

[limber lion]

but for pure st it beats sin pretty clearly.

[strange python]

poggers

thats cool sub is fun

[gloomy knoll]

and i'm assuming "pure feels here"

that it will be even better

[strange python]

yeah that makes sense

[gloomy knoll]

because trpple potency for sub

is better

than sins potencies

[strange python]

gotchyou

thanks fellas

[limber lion]

Yeh, but sin is still good on st

no worries.

[strange python]

for sure

[limber lion]

Sub will see the nerfhammer during the heroic week anyways

and then sit on the bench for the entire tier again

[strange python]

you think so? lmao

[limber lion]

[drifting cloud]

no way

[gloomy knoll]

prob not lol

[drifting cloud]

you think sub will get any relevant amount of logs in hc week

I doubt it

[limber lion]

Nah, I'm just meming

[gloomy knoll]

even if sub is good

[limber lion]

duh

[gloomy knoll]

people don't really play it

because it's harder

or easier to fuck up

w/e u wanna call it

[shy dust]

?

[fallen arch]

And it’s supposed to be the pvp cheese spec

[shy dust]

Every other situation

[gloomy knoll]

there's no such thing as a pvp spec

[shy dust]

Every other situation

[limber lion]

I doubt that's a reason people don't play sub. Could be for some people, but not most.

[gloomy knoll]

i mean just look at tomb

[shy dust]

Sub loses on massive aoe?

[gloomy knoll]

sub was clearly better

people played sin

[shy dust]

Sub probably does more dps on 6t

[limber lion]

Oh yeh, that's true.

[gloomy knoll]

doesn't sub beat every rogue spec 6+ targets?

[limber lion]

Could be.

[gloomy knoll]

even outlaw now i'm fairly certain

[shy dust]

It’s not even a question that sub shits on assa at 8t

[spice spire]

Black powder buff was giga

[limber lion]

Definitely does.

[shy dust]

Probably beats it at 6 and is close at 5

[narrow brook]

So when Ion said they didnt want picking certain slots for your legendaries to be a mistake, that was a lie

[limber lion]

I don't recall him saying that, but yeah, that's not true lol.

We're forced to swap slots now, so that's fun.

[narrow brook]

It was ages ago in response to whether you can socket legendaries with the venari item

[limber lion]

Ah fair enough

[shy dust]

Even d slice favors sub over assa

[limber lion]

Yeh, I'm giga-pepega

dw

I'm aware

Completely tunneled into the single-target aspect and forgot about the aoe buffs as well.

Looks like it's time for me to hit the sack.

[gloomy knoll]

interesting

so pi for my character on 4/5 minutes is worth about 430

for 3 minute kills it's worth 500

and somehow passassin gets that and fae

and loses to us

[limber lion]

Yes

He's not really the greatest sin player

He has some major issues in his rotation

Externals gets you far, especially on a spec as simple as sin.

[soft shale]

people forget they can still stack way more externals

like next patch its going to be the scourge

kyrian hunters, kyrian druids, necro warriors etc

nf palas

no log is safe

[limber lion]

Yeah, as much as it sucks, that's the reality we live in.

[nimble tartan]

what if theres a world where the last boss or last 2 u need ultimate burst damage amp phase 45 sec bro…what if u need venth for it ..

show me da burst sims

[limber lion]

Blizzard doesn't really care for our need to log.

[acoustic yew]

does the dot from crimson storm stack?

[limber lion]

and the rankings tied to them

[gloomy knoll]

i actually hate support specs / buffs

[limber lion]

No, it resets its duration with pandemic

[gloomy knoll]

makes parsing on farm so much less fun

[acoustic yew]

kk ty

[limber lion]

or more like adds on to the existing duration

[limber lion]

Same. Getting 7.5k on Sire and that not being r1 because some dude got 7.7k with 4 PI's is kinda meh.

But it feels good when you do more dps than someone with 8 PI's.

[gloomy knoll]

YEA

oops caps

any time i get a honest log above pi bois

it feels so much better

[pallid bough]

Don’t worry man, when they give rogues old Tricks, it will become worse

[soft shale]

focus magic and other things are way worse than tricks

[dull cloak]

doesnt kyrian druid bonus damage show up as druids damage

[soft shale]

read the new legendary

or you want me to link it in sec

tbh the best simp leggo they introduced is the hunter one

but still everyone is getting them

[cloud reef]

i remember the wcl deveolper was considering partitioning the logs depending on whether or not you got buffs. Not sure how serious he was looking into it

[gloomy knoll]

god i would fucking love that

[cloud reef]

Saw it mentioned in his discord

a while ago

[gloomy knoll]

i would never want a pi again

[limber lion]

Yeah, he did add the paragraph for externals pretty early on

Wouldn't be surprised if Kihra did that honestly.

But then you could troll other people's logs

by giving them externals

out of their will

[cloud reef]

it is degenerate gameplay

[gloomy knoll]

i mean if some1 is doing that repeatedly then they just gonna get a talking to

or benched

[cloud reef]

send passassin to the depths of wcl hell

[gloomy knoll]

lol

[limber lion]

You notice your raider is pumping like a mofo, you throw a fairy on him and the log is dead.

[gloomy knoll]

instant bench

[nimble tartan]

i think the number with the buff is the perfect solution

no need to partition anymore

its p clean

[gloomy knoll]

i don't

because it still fucks over all star points

which is realistically the only thing you care about

[nimble tartan]

oh

[gloomy knoll]

literally rank 1 rogue

has permanent pi uptime

on eveyr boss

[nimble tartan]

not particularly for myself but i can see someone who does how that would be bothersome

[gloomy knoll]

who's gonna beat that

[nimble tartan]

yeah i mean he did most dam

nobody

[gloomy knoll]

is actually just dumb

to keep them together imo

[limber lion]

There is no correct solution to it honestly.

It's on Blizzard

and they don't care about it.

[gloomy knoll]

i think seperating the logs is the perfect solution

buff lugs + no buff logs

[nimble tartan]

i personally dont think so i like seeing the dudes with pi on the list mixed in

as an overview

[gloomy knoll]

that way if i wanna see honest players or compete against honest players i don't gotta see trash cans with 100% uptime on pi and 5 fae

[soft shale]

yea if we know somthing about asia

[gloomy knoll]

i literally don't even look at asian logs anymore

because all it is, is pi abuse

actually just lame

[soft shale]

is next tier they will also have the boi with banners and kyrian hunters in party etc

[loud light]

but if you get into the business of partitioning for this one overpowered thing you can do, why not partition on people playing the boss 'wrong' to pad damage? there's like a bunch of ways to game parses, people do them and getting a dozen PIs is one of them

from WCL view it's too much to be the judges of

[gloomy knoll]

because it ruins all start points

[loud light]

just let the data be what it is and if blizzard wants to fix it, that's on them

[gloomy knoll]

there's literally no way for you to compete against a raid with 10 priest funnels

any raid can do strats

[loud light]

oh no

[gloomy knoll]

any raid can let people pad

not every raid can get 10 priest faes to funnel 1 guy

[drowsy parcel]

i like current iteration

[nimble tartan]

same

[drowsy parcel]

i can laugh at 10 pi receivers

[nimble tartan]

good middle ground

[drowsy parcel]

when i beat them

[limber lion]

It's not perfect, but it's fine.

[gloomy knoll]

are you competing against top 10 rogues

who get pi?

for all star points?

[nimble tartan]

it dont matter to me if i was or wasnt tbh

but thats how i ride

[limber lion]

I'm not the biggest fan of PI logs either, but I just see people griefing others more than anything, if they added the partition

[nimble tartan]

i get where u comin from

[limber lion]

It's also a bit tough, because you rarely want to use the externals on yourself, other than SP Fairy/PI

[gloomy knoll]

i don' think

every raider just gonnago

oh hey they doing good lemme grief him

[limber lion]

No

[gloomy knoll]

that will literally destroy the cohesion of your guild

[limber lion]

But if you play Disc priest

You're not gonna use it on yourself

You're gonna use it on anyone else

And thus rendering their log useless

[gloomy knoll]

and you can easily agree on who gets it

or who wants it before every pull

[limber lion]

I don't think anyone intentionally wants to get PI'd if they want to log

[gloomy knoll]

which people already do

or the disc can just have it

[limber lion]

It's gonna go from

[gloomy knoll]

i mean

dk's still will

it's insane for them

[nimble tartan]

why punish someone who maximizing strat

[limber lion]

"Give me PI" to "Don't give me PI"

[loud light]

it's not even griefing, if you have a person who's owning you're just gonna throw it on them

[nimble tartan]

if someone is good at certain figh

[limber lion]

Holding PI because it renders a log useless is even worse imo

[nimble tartan]

like pi lock p3

punished

cause u had extra pi to hand out

a little weird

the number an easier solution

[limber lion]

But yeah, there is no good solution to it honestly.

[gloomy knoll]

no

[limber lion]

We're just with what we have

[gloomy knoll]

no you're not

that's not how pi works

[limber lion]

It sucks, but what can we do.

[gloomy knoll]

you don't just go

oh hey they're pumping lemme randomly throw pi on them

maybe their cooldowns are up

maybe they not

[loud light]

I guarantee you plenty of healers do that

[gloomy knoll]

ok and they're in bad guilds

because they're bad

[nimble tartan]

usually someone is pumping and they are like bro im blastin rn pi me in 1 min

like on comms

[gloomy knoll]

ok so there's communication about it

so they can just not say that

[strange python]

this is my first time speccing into assassination since the expac dropped, are talent choices still the same?\

same as pinned*

[steep reef]

I was pumping inerva rank 1 pure for sure then my priest pi me at 1% to taint my log

[drifting cloud]

I mean dont need to do some weird mental gymnastics just because the system isnt perfect

its definetly alot worse for alot other dps specs

[limber lion]

Yeah, we're pretty blessed to be honest

[drifting cloud]

atleast assa has top5-10 logs on every boss with 0 pis

alot of specs dont

[limber lion]

compared to fire mages, boomers, affli's etc

but yeah, not the perfect system but what can you do.

Maybe we won't have externals in 10.0

[nimble tartan]

i like externals

its cool

sucks for shapriests

[gloomy knoll]

even more reason to seperate the logs

[nimble tartan]

should baseline the lego so they dont fee like trash

[drowsy parcel]

whens tricks damage buff coming back

[nimble tartan]

otherwise adds an interesting option for raids

[drifting cloud]

I mean seperating would be worse imo

yeah ok sucks on that boss where r1 is some giga inflated chad 500 or more above r2

but everyone else is lossing asp not just you

[gloomy knoll]

i mean if you're not the hunter who gets funneld

and the other hunter is

you just don't get asp?

at all

how is that fun

[drifting cloud]

I mean thats just false

[gloomy knoll]

or the dk

who doesn't get pi

compared to

EVERY OTHER DK

[nimble tartan]

people dont really care like that its such a niche problem

everyone is kinda like oh well

[gloomy knoll]

people who don't have to deal with all star points don't care

[drifting cloud]

you can definetly get 99 without pi as every spec

[nimble tartan]

right hence its niche

[gloomy knoll]

yea so why do we care about your opinion

when you don't deal with the problem

[limber lion]

I think Esra is specifically talking about top 10 and allstar points

not 99's

[gloomy knoll]

i am

the point of all star points

[drifting cloud]

well im still r7

with 0 pis

[gloomy knoll]

is to be high rank

and get all star points

[limber lion]

Not even r1

[loud light]

a true all star would carry around a priest in their back pocket

[gloomy knoll]

what's the point of all star points if the systems integrity is basically destroyed by externals

[nimble tartan]

you’re complaining that a website that houses everyones logs isnt changing the whole system for “pure loggers”

to move some people up ranks

[gloomy knoll]

no i'm complaining that

all star points

mean nothing now

when externals aren't partitioned

[nimble tartan]

naw its a decent gauge

regardless

[gloomy knoll]

and again

you don't deal with it

[nimble tartan]

look at the pi number

lmao

[gloomy knoll]

so i don't care about your opinion

[drifting cloud]

so what should every person have 2 logs on each boss, highest pi and non pi?

[nimble tartan]

ok who u complainin too

[drifting cloud]

because lets say your best log on a boss is with pi

[nimble tartan]

who do u want to hear from

[loud light]

petition kihra to add Ethical All Star rankings that specifically have no externals

[drifting cloud]

so you have 0 asp on the non pi partition?

[nimble tartan]

cev? he sayin the same thing

[drowsy parcel]

how exactly do you deal with it? i dont understand your point of view

[nimble tartan]

could just say u want a soapbox bro

this the diary now

go off

[gloomy knoll]

i was originally talking to cev

[drowsy parcel]

why is all star points so important to you

[gloomy knoll]

you just jumped in the conversation

[nimble tartan]

ohh ok

[gloomy knoll]

buzz of my guy

[nimble tartan]

my bad sorry chad

[drifting cloud]

like you just dont like the current iteration

if it got changed how you wanted to, other wouldnt like that

[gloomy knoll]

you could have

[limber lion]

Honestly probably the best solution, not even joking.

[gloomy knoll]

1 partition with 0 externals 1 partition with only externals ans 1 partition with mixed

[drifting cloud]

I mean sure but lets be honest

not gonna happen

[shy dust]

WCL is just lazy

[gloomy knoll]

that's more work for wcl so it's their prerogative and their website but that's what i'd like

[shy dust]

Why did they filter out drone damage on Hivemind

Yet didn’t filter out damage on sire

Both are exactly similar

[drifting cloud]

it was a vote?

[gloomy knoll]

or council

[nimble tartan]

its weird to punish bis setup with an extra buff out tho

[shy dust]

Was there a vote on WCL for filtering the damage

[drifting cloud]

or was the vote for hivemind asp

[gloomy knoll]

no

she literally just said

it's too late in the tier

to recrawl all the logs

[drifting cloud]

I think at start it was her decision

[gloomy knoll]

ohhhh

gotcha

[drifting cloud]

then it got changed into a vote later

[gloomy knoll]

cuz i checked for the council thing

and she basically just said

sorry too late

[drifting cloud]

well their site their rules

[gloomy knoll]

yea

like i said

they can do w/e they want it's their site

[nimble tartan]

if hypothetically u had an extra pi and during prog early farm do u care enough to not receive an optimal pi usage because of asp?

[gloomy knoll]

i'd like it if there was partitions for externals though

[drifting cloud]

its the same thing as when some bosses get removed from asp

[limber lion]

Her?

[drifting cloud]

always drama

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

if you care about parses on prog you're a trash can

plain and simple

[nimble tartan]

no its optimizing dam on prog

[limber lion]

Another victim of the anime girl pfp bait.

[nimble tartan]

some dont care about farm that way either

[azure bronze]

Are we crafting doomblade on cloak when patch comes out? Just want to know so I can buy the base item before they sky rocket in price xD

[nimble tartan]

theu see ok prog over we chillin

[gloomy knoll]

there's a difference between optimizing damage and comps

and trying to parse

[nimble tartan]

def people like that

[limber lion]

Yes!

[drifting cloud]

I mean esra is writing she I dont know/care cev

😛

[limber lion]

It's definitely a safe choice getting the cloak now.

[gloomy knoll]

if you're trying to parse on prog you just a troll

[azure bronze]

Aight thanks!

[gloomy knoll]

que?

[limber lion]

Anything can happen, just keep that in mind :p

[nimble tartan]

parse ethically by doing mechanics proper

should partition the padders

[drifting cloud]

I dont know the gender of the wcl owner

[nimble tartan]

[gloomy knoll]

oh

i assumed it was a she

[limber lion]

It's a he.

[gloomy knoll]

could be a he

my bad

[limber lion]

It's like Whispyr

[gloomy knoll]

lol

[limber lion]

Anime girl pfp

[gloomy knoll]

i shall correct myself henceforth

[drifting cloud]

thats different whispyr is a catgirl

he just happens to have a penis

[gloomy knoll]

yea whispyr is a non binary anthropomorphic cat person

[azure bronze]

Yeah I know, worst case I'll use it on alt instead

[spice spire]

Bro?

You okay homie?

[wet ruin]

are you saying PI is not ethical or every external

[gloomy knoll]

hi annsie

[limber lion]

But boys, take it easy lads, maybe you should move on to another channel to "discuss" wcl rankings and externals.

:')

[gloomy knoll]

yea pi not ethical

[wet ruin]

cuz you can filter PI

[limber lion]

Yep, same.

[wet ruin]

but then what happens if you happen to have a enhancement

[gloomy knoll]

this was more about

[deft obsidian]

This 👌🤣

[gloomy knoll]

all star points

than about filtering

[wet ruin]

yea, I know, its just that its hard to filter it

[nimble tartan]

i feel bad for the guild that run 2 disc the dude who get extra pi bout to get partitioned bro

[gloomy knoll]

that too

[nimble tartan]

should prob not use it to stay ethical

[loud light]

hold the raid hostage

demand payments or you'll snipe them with a pi

[gloomy knoll]

don't play with trolls

[nimble tartan]

srry bro please dont pi me i know its optimal just want my aspie points

[drifting cloud]

I mean if youre just gonna troll you could just stfu if you got nothing useful to say as most times omr

its just his pov

[gloomy knoll]

also you only parse on farm

[drifting cloud]

and youre just clowing like usual

[gloomy knoll]

so yea

you can legit just be

hey don't pi me i'm going for ethical parses this run

on farm

where nothing matters

as i stated earlier anyone who actively tries to parse on prog is generally just a troll

[nimble tartan]

some people only care about asp during a prog window

like not r1 persay but seeing hey i performed really well playin proper

[gloomy knoll]

ok and your parses are still there

asp on prog literally means nothing anyways

[drifting cloud]

well yeah alot of guilds dont do farm into such a long tier like this

[gloomy knoll]

because you get asp based on bosses killed

[drifting cloud]

but thats not my problem

[spice spire]

God dammit omr

[gloomy knoll]

so if you;re 10/10

and everyone else isn't

yea you rank 1 regardless

[limber lion]

[nimble tartan]

yeah thats why u gotta wait for hof to close

[gloomy knoll]

but i'm just gonna end this here cuz u just trolling anyways

hows the weather today bois

[nimble tartan]

and then partition hof players away to see hof parses only

who did the best

[gloomy knoll]

sins lookin pretty spicy for next tier yea?

me personally gonna go venth sin / sub

lookin like fun

[wet ruin]

all stars on prog is literally guild world rank

[drifting cloud]

I only care about hof non-german private logging horde guilds

[teal mountain]

hello guys, there is still some excel with all of the Bis ? (coming back on the game eheh)

[nimble tartan]

dude wait thats actually a good idea

[gloomy knoll]

no bis lists

[nimble tartan]

for like history purposes

[gloomy knoll]

sorry

gotta sim yo gear

[nimble tartan]

hof partitions a snapshot

[teal mountain]

alright mate

[limber lion]

No, bis lists are really bad and people use them wrong.

[nimble tartan]

of the hof prog

[limber lion]

Just get high ilvl and you're gucci :p

[gloomy knoll]

bis lists are ok but people use them horribly wrong so it defeats the purpose of even having one yea

[shy dust]

BiS lists ARENT bad*

[drifting cloud]

also you arent allowed to raid on wednesdays and during the month of december

[gloomy knoll]

bis lists items are only bis when you have all of them

[shy dust]

Doesn’t make them bad

[gloomy knoll]

gear varies in upgrades based on current stat weights etc

[shy dust]

I wouldn’t call a guide bad because people can’t read it correctly

[nimble tartan]

true

[limber lion]

A guide is a recommendation

a bis list is not

[gloomy knoll]

i think they actively harm players tbh

because people will pass over upgrades

[shy dust]

A BiS list is the best possible gear combination

[gloomy knoll]

thinking oh that's not good for me

[shy dust]

That is all it’s telling you

[gloomy knoll]

it's not on the list

[limber lion]

yeh

[shy dust]

The list isn’t bad

[wet ruin]

rename to recomended list?

[shy dust]

People interpret the list wrong

[gloomy knoll]

ehhh

[shy dust]

That doesn’t make the list bad

[gloomy knoll]

maybe rename to

[limber lion]

ok time to drink water

[gloomy knoll]

BEST POSSIBLE COMBINATION OF ITEMS LIST (upgrades may vary depending on current gear) lists

[balmy condor]

I don't have a bis list

no sir

[nimble tartan]

bis in slot

[balmy condor]

not for sim purposes or anything

never heard of it

[spice spire]

No way to fix it to make it not bad for people who don’t understand that this exact possible combination is the best available and gear is for simming

[steep reef]

hey whispyr I hope you have a wonderful day today

[shy dust]

Calling it bad is dumb though

Just because people are dumb and don’t understand it

[limber lion]

it's easier

to say that it's bad

[shy dust]

It’s also wrong

[nimble tartan]

when she say she gon give u the flagellation 3000

[gloomy knoll]

with the gi joe double grip twist

[balmy condor]

[gloomy knoll]

[steep reef]

what do you guys listen to during prog

[gloomy knoll]

my raid leader

[deft obsidian]

Epic Sax Man

On 10hr loop

[drifting cloud]

anime

[harsh anchor]

Boris Brejcha

[gloomy knoll]

i usually only listen to music if i'm zoning out in heroics

lol

[shrewd night]

Is it time to release the purge kraken?

[spice spire]

Shien

[drowsy parcel]

[silent fossil]

blame cev he was asking for more activity in here like 2 days ago.

[limber lion]

[gloomy knoll]

don't shoot

[shrewd night]

Rope it in to assa relevancy, or face the tentacles.

[steep reef]

what’s something good to listen to that lines up with vendetta

[balmy condor]

bis lists were pretty close to assa relevancy to be fair

[steep reef]

[gloomy knoll]

to be fair we were talking about sin all star points

originally

LOL

that emote

[drifting cloud]

thats just a man wiping 630 times on sire

he needs time to recover

2023 he should be good to go

[cyan dew]

Flag before a finisher (rupture in the opener), then on cooldown, only line up with vend if you won’t miss a cast...There's this on the pins. What "flag before a finisher" means?

[strange python]

Doomblade changing slots next patch? Shoulder glove seems sus with raid gems

[nimble tartan]

please dont partition me from chat

[soft shale]

you flag at 6 cp

or 5

[cyan dew]

What flag means?

[balmy condor]

the venthyr ability

[soft shale]

flagellation is the venthyr covenant spell

[shy dust]

Venthyr ability

[cyan dew]

Ohh ty

[soft shale]

along with door of shadows

[strange python]

Any chance doomblade gonna get a new slot option?

Couldn't find the answer googling

[cyan dew]

I see, ty guys. And we don't use Ambush on the opener?

[shy dust]

!mut

[prisma monolith]

Ambush is currently only used from blindside/sepsis proc, not from stealth.
The reasoning is a little complicated, but the most important of them is the difference in combo points on crit (up to 4 vs 3).
Some other factors to consider are increased poison applications, blindside, and doomblade. This is true for all talent combinations and legendaries.

[cyan dew]

ty

[limber lion]

We are already getting a new slot

The cloak slot

[dusky vault]

Is there a full list of all the new slot options for legendaries?

[spice spire]

Patch notes iirc

[thorny pond]

Scroll to the lego, see new slot

[dusky vault]

As in login to PTR? I haven't seen official patch notes for 9.1

[thorny pond]

Go to wowhead

[dusky vault]

Hmm I don't see it but thanks anyway I forgot wowhead has better info than the main site haha

[novel moss]

Hey, I have not played in quite a few months, I know its kinda a pepega question but from what research I have done it would seem Sin is going to be pretty good for raid in 9.1 and the go to spec for most the bosses even with sub buffs. Would you guys agree that for returning to 9.1 as it stands to perform best in raids i should go sin necro?

[thorny pond]

If you are sold on sin, necro is a very strong and versatile choice

[limber lion]

Yes, that is correct. Necro Sin is likely the best choice for most fights.

[novel moss]

Ha okay 😄 I've actually mained outlaw since BFA but my M raid guild are really pressing me to help focus more on raids than M+ so I said I would do what is needed 😛

[limber lion]

Venthyr Sub is looking really strong as well, but sin will likely see more play.

[soft shale]

even if assa is around 200 dps behind on st its not the end of the world

[limber lion]

Definitely not.

[soft shale]

cleave fights on next tier

are really good for assa

[limber lion]

It does not suffer from downtime as much as sub either

[spring root]

Assa has better scaling too

[soft shale]

oh no

[spring root]

So it will be better in time

[limber lion]

Where did you hear this?

Just curious.

[soft shale]

i can hear a whisp in the distance

[limber lion]

What makes sin "scale better"?

I'm interested to hear the reasoning.

[frigid kestrel]

Did I just see the S word in The Sin channel?

[spring root]

if you make statweight sims you can ser asaa gain more than outlaw and sub

[west geode]

dumb question... so i crafted doomblade on shoulders to 235... i have to start over again to move the slot?

[limber lion]

Huh?

Can you elaborate?

[limber lion]

Unfortunately it's looking like it.

[soft shale]

we still dont know @west geode maybe the make legendaries be able to have a dom socket

[limber lion]

Db on cloak in 9.1 is likely.

[soft shale]

but right now you have to wait until 9.1 to craft cloak

dont worry i also have doom shoulders

[drowsy parcel]

zoldyck stays on legs right

[limber lion]

Yes

For now.

Who knows what happens.

[west geode]

at least soul ash will be easier to farm

[soft shale]

who knows kt legs exist

[frigid kestrel]

I’m assuming he’s going the “stats affect everything overall” as in the haste argument I see all the time for why Sin scales super great all the time. It affects Energy Regen and Bleed ticks which gives you more blah blah blah blah

[soft shale]

but no idea

[limber lion]

At least you can farm soul ash*

[drifting cloud]

you scale really well with 25% buffs

[limber lion]

I don't really understand how stat weights determine how a spec scales.

[gusty mirage]

insane how repeat aura buffs made assa scale so well

[drowsy parcel]

are they just gonna leave the 25% aura for the entire expansion or what

[limber lion]

I equip a full vers set and suddenly vers is the worst stat

[drifting cloud]

its because people just up the gear by a tier and look at stat weights compared to before

[drowsy parcel]

feels like a band aid solution

[frigid kestrel]

No one does

[thorny pond]

Shocker

[limber lion]

Welp

[frigid kestrel]

Yet I see it all the time

[gusty mirage]

scale best with weapon dps

[drifting cloud]

the 50 dps you get more compared toa different spec is all the difference

when baseline the difference might be 10%

[limber lion]

Whahahat, my haste was at 1.37 but after the patch it's at 1.8??? Insane scaling

[drifting cloud]

its the 50 that makes or breaks it

[limber lion]

Oh yeah, I'm using 400 less haste now, different rings and neck because of bad item drops

[gusty mirage]

[limber lion]

But it's the scaling

Oh well

[frigid kestrel]

This is why I hate seeing the S word

[atomic saddle]

I need an alt for mythic splits, what do you think looks really solid going into 9.1?

[limber lion]

What is your main?

[drifting cloud]

a ranged

[soft shale]

does it have to be melee

sp/warlock still great

also mage

[gusty mirage]

warlock is like always great

as is mage

[limber lion]

Just play whatever armor stack you need the most

[soft shale]

if plate remember paladin has the 3 specs to trade shit

mail same shaman>hunter

and if you need leather druid or monk

[drifting cloud]

ele alt sounds like fun

[soft shale]

yea can even trade agi 1 handers

[limber lion]

Remember when we still had tokens?

Hah, good times.

[soft shale]

well now we can rest knowing

arena will be a hellhole first weeks

[gusty mirage]

haven't seen 1 in any difficulty minus the one that the campaign gives you

so no I don't

[soft shale]

i will enjoy getting clapped by rank 1s on my way to 2100 again

at least i can pve my way now as assa

[drifting cloud]

isnt 2.1 not worth it anymore?

[soft shale]

it is hc level weps

still worth

rogue is diff than most classes because you only need 2 weeks for wep

2h classes or int

are fucked on that

[drifting cloud]

but 15s are gonna be easy

and you might just vault it

[atomic saddle]

I'm swapping to Sp as main for 9.1 and still need an alt that should be rdps, too, but not warlock

[gusty mirage]

do ele sham

fun af

[limber lion]

Ele Sham is fun

[soft shale]

i mean if you vault it just pick another thing

[gusty mirage]

plus mail wearers are rare af for splits

[drifting cloud]

whats even hc ilvl

[soft shale]

also i would spend valor on other things

[drifting cloud]

like 240?

[atomic saddle]

yeah I know but I dont like that it sucks on ST, it feels like cheesing half of the time

[soft shale]

246 i think

[drifting cloud]

that sounds high

[soft shale]

yea its a big upgrade

[drifting cloud]

242? maybe

[soft shale]

mthic is 252

[drifting cloud]

no I mean 246 sounds like its not what hc is

😄

[gusty mirage]

239 base, 246 last 2

[drifting cloud]

yeah fuck 2.1k for 239 mh

lol

[gusty mirage]

fr lmao

[soft shale]

i mean chances are you buy 2 jewelry pieces

instead

still really worth for progress

not super OMG THAT BOI HAS 233 AND MY SORRY ASS HAS A 190 on week 2

[gusty mirage]

I'm not in the race for world first, so I think I'll skip out on the masochism that is arena

[soft shale]

i quite enjoy pvp

just my friends that did it quit around 12 years or so ago

forever duelist now

or hell last seasons i was rival

[gusty mirage]

I stopped at 1936

I couldn't do it anymore

[soft shale]

you got higher than me i got to like 1860 or so last season

cba trying to find people

[gusty mirage]

I also had the luxury of playing with glads & multi R1s lol

[soft shale]

wtf

ahaha

i also like how the rating is bugged on statistics says my highest rating is like 122312312312312312312

[gusty mirage]

"bugged" you're just a god

[chilly mist]

Why should we craft doomblade on a cloak, is the hand/shoulder getting this new socket?

[gusty mirage]

Leather wearers have domination gear on
Head
Shoulder
Chest
Hands
Feet

idk if that's up to date

[limber lion]

Ye

[thorny pond]

fun fun

[idle shard]

wait, so are we changing the doomblade piece?

[echo cargo]

So you can have one set of three and then two others, or?

I’ve not looked into this at all

[idle shard]

ok I just checked the pinned messages again, thanks boss @balmy condor lmao

[balmy condor]

I'm losing my mind at sims atm

[echo cargo]

You coulda stopped at losing your mind bb

[nimble tartan]

hidden blades meta

[novel arrow]

Guys , what are the big legendaries we're looking at for Assa next patch?

Is it just doomblade?

I ask becaues I wanna get sockets on them like now. And they carry over right?

[zealous summit]

deathspike for necro m+ but zoldyck I think is a bit better after the nerf

but doomblade still bis for raid

[gusty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[thorny pond]

Everything is subject to tuning until mythic probably drops

[nimble tartan]

hidden blades pop off!

[gloomy knoll]

@balmy condor why is venth better for kelthuzad in your opinion?

[balmy condor]

hm?

idk what kelthuzad does

[gloomy knoll]

in your pin it says venthyr might be better for niche fights like mythic kel

i was just wondering why you felt that way

[balmy condor]

oh

koffing told me to pin what cev wrote up

so I just copied and pinned

I have no clue why he would say that

[gloomy knoll]

@limber lion why you feel like venth is better for kel

[zealous summit]

venthyr is slightly ahead for pure ST, so maybe that? I haven't looked into the fight yet though

[gloomy knoll]

burst for going down into phylactery?

[balmy condor]

venth is good for burst

but it's not like

MUCH better

[nimble tartan]

would make the most sense considering venth is better burst

[gloomy knoll]

yea that's why i was curious

[balmy condor]

like

that's not really

a difference

[thorny pond]

I like that they managed to balance 2 covenants in the simplest content structure

[soft shale]

how much is obedience behind as assa?

3%?

[misty holly]

What is that spike at 300 from?

[balmy condor]

about 200 behind

[balmy condor]

the sync

flag/vend syncs itself to last cast

[soft shale]

oof 200 may be too much for only a little more burst

[gloomy knoll]

oh wow

[dim ledge]

On opener should you vendetta at 0cp right after garrot/rupture, or at full cp right before shiv?

[soft shale]

shiv vendetta vanish

its off gcd now

[dim ledge]

tyty

[compact pumice]

afaik you should vendetta asap after rupture for the energy. But it matter very little when you pop it in the opener tbh as long as you do it before envenom during shiv pretty much.

[alpine latch]

Is there anything to know about the plaguefall mount solo farm?

[still dove]

i did mine on a 213 prot warr and it was pretty cruisy

[spring root]

There was a video about it but it want you to play sub cos of that hp regen talent you can check that one @alpine latch

On youtube

[alpine latch]

Yeah, I got fucking destroyed as Sin

Not getting it then, oh well

[charred mango]

did rogues get any changes in 9.1? all ive heard is nerfs/changes for firemage/boomy

[soft shale]

sub got buffs assa and outlaw had no changes

things may change as talents etc but nothing crazy

[spring root]

And necro dot can now crit

[charred mango]

oh yeah just the backstab buff to sub right? and the auto attack energy/combo points thing

[spring root]

And also blackpowder got buff

For sustain aoe

[charred mango]

ah ok cool

[spring root]

But get nerfed a little for burst aoe

So basicly no bigchanges just sub and assa is more close to eachother for st

But if you wanna play sub you go ventyr

[hollow river]

sub should be pretty viable in m+ now for at least half of the keys.\

[soft shale]

assa also got better at m+ now that sbs can crit nothing crazy but something is something

[hollow river]

yeah

idk if that'll be enough to keep up once we get geared out

but i'm sure it'll be fine

[soft shale]

sudden fractures is actually quite reliable on higher ranks

that helps

[orchid valley]

Hey all guild is finalizing roster, and im feeling assa rogue pretty hard but havent rlly kept up with developments over last month or so. Still looking like the s tier st class?

[soft shale]

no melee is s tier but assa in on the front end of st damage at least

also decent cleave

so as long as all buffs are covered sure

[wide bolt]

And has the option to play outlaw if you need more aoe

[orchid valley]

sweet. If nothing has happened to hurt them in the patch notes im hype

[calm dome]

Assa for raid
Outlaw for Keys
Sub for Pvp
Rogues for the win
:)

[orchid valley]

assa for pvp wdym

xD

[balmy condor]

yeah idk bout sub pvp anymore

[orchid valley]

assa for keys too, i aint no beta bitch, 20+ only

[calm dome]

I just wanted to give something for Subs

[thorny pond]

Subs can ask their doms for permission

[foggy ember]

All in on doomblade for raid, make do with zold for assa keys

[calm dome]

And pretty sure Sub is better in 2s or 3s with RMP comp or rogue / fmage

[halcyon zealot]

general rule for sbs is still first global and then in gemstone windows unless we r gonna overcap yeah?

[soft shale]

tru

[calm dome]

Assa / disc
Assa / Hpal
Sub / Fmage
Sub / Spriest

[hollow river]

sub is big nerfed in 9.1 pvp

[sonic schooner]

sub is still the best when it comes to setup your mates 🤷‍♂️

[hollow river]

hoping necro sub in m+ 9.1 gonna be good